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July 31, 2015

Solid Branches in Empty Space (Eulora’s First, Woman-Made, Satellite)

Filed under: Eulora — Diana Coman @ 10:08 am

That’s how women are really: they make technology out of anything and everything. Give them just a bit more solid branches than the usual flimsy flotsam and next thing you know the whole planet has a satellite. And functional teleporting. But let me start from the beginning.

As I was happily getting my hands on something solid for once in Eulora – solid branches I mean – I became all of a sudden overweight. Not the “I ate a whale and a dolphin for breakfast so now feeling kind of bloated” kind of overweight, but rather the much more boring (and profitable) “I carry too many branches to even move” kind of overweight. And what can you do if you carry too much? Drop something of course, preferably onto solid ground next to your left foot and at a safe distance from your toe. And so I dropped it. All of it, my shiny new (and did I mention quite valuable?) pile of solid branches. I dropped the whole pile as that’s what you do when you carry too much, don’t you? You just drop it.

Oh, boy, I surely dropped it, all right.

I dropped it ALL THE WAY TO SPACE! Yes, you heard that right, the first satellite that Eulora ever had was my pile of solid branches! Talking about rocket launchers and all that jazz when I can put things into orbit with my bare arm!

And so I looked in horror at the empty place all around me where NO solid branches could be seen or gleaned by any means. I jumped and I crouched and I mumbled and tumbled and surely grumbled ¹, but the sand remained bare returning quite frankly its emptiest stare. Upon craning my neck at impossible angles and using my third eye to see through the sands and under the water, I did get a glimpse of the branches buried so deeply that they had gotten out onto the other side: a bag of solid branches in empty space and nothing more:

Since I’m not one to stare for long at unresponsive thieving sands, I threw away the mining tools ² and got out my hacking kit with its teleporting powers. And what do you know, a few teleports into the ground and into space, a few clicks and a few curses (well, more than a few, but you get the point) later I had grabbed my solid branches back from the empty space.

In much less time than all that teleporting and grabbing thing, I had done even better than grabbing branches from outer space: I had sold them for a profit! And taken a picture of the whole island for mapping purposes:

Now that’s why magic is great. Because it solves your troubles AND it pays handsomely. What else could you even want from it?

That might have been a curse or two. Or more, I didn’t count really.[↩]
To a locked claim this time, no more dropping for me, thank you. [↩]

diana_coman:	morning	[03:36]
chetty:	morning	[03:51]
diana_coman:	chetty, would it be possible to have access to connect to some test/sandbox server?	[04:21]
diana_coman:	it would help a lot with developing the bot	[04:22]
chetty:	need to talk to mp about it, I have setup part way to another test server but needs someinput from him. The one i use now is behind a firewall	[04:27]
chetty:	we kinda need to do that before the next client release, imo	[04:28]
diana_coman:	ok	[04:34]
diana_coman:	if anyone's interested: foxy's diary is back http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/07/31/solid-branches-in-empty-space-euloras-first-woman-made-satellite/	[05:08]
jurov:	i have mined last night, locked every claim, after 12 hours everything gone	[07:54]
jurov:	not one claim left standing	[07:54]
jurov:	why it is impossible to get right even this? :(	[07:55]
chetty:	ooo now thats a bit insane, I will do more tests on that today but nothing has changed in that part of the software in long while	[07:56]
chetty:	do you still have the keys?	[07:56]
jurov:	yes	[07:57]
chetty:	hmm	[07:57]
diana_coman:	wow jurov, that's really weird	[08:00]
diana_coman:	mod6 found swarming grub at -385 47 -134	[08:01]
diana_coman:	where there is SB on the map	[08:01]
jurov:	i found two there	[08:01]
jurov:	gone too	[08:01]
diana_coman:	I think the trouble is that the spots for the more elusive things are very small	[08:01]
diana_coman:	hmmm, lemme check my claims from yest	[08:02]
jurov:	there were some dry grass claims around, afaik they were left there	[08:02]
diana_coman:	those were much older	[08:02]
diana_coman:	hmmm, mine seem to be still in place	[08:03]
diana_coman:	weird	[08:03]
jurov:	damn, i was looking in wrong place	[08:14]
jurov:	they are there	[08:14]
diana_coman:	oh, phew	[08:14]
chetty:	indeed	[08:15]
diana_coman:	donw?	[08:26]
diana_coman:	down?	[08:26]
danielpbarron:	own	[08:27]
danielpbarron:	down*	[08:27]
danielpbarron:	heh i've been saving up claims too	[08:28]
danielpbarron:	glad jurov found his	[08:28]
danielpbarron:	also makes me nervous that i haven't locked the most recently explored ones and the server is down	[08:29]
jurov:	sorry	[08:29]
danielpbarron:	sorry for what? the 20 seconds it took me to get from "jurov's claims got erased" to "nevermind wrong spot"	[08:29]
diana_coman:	I think the timer gets reset when the server resets	[08:30]
diana_coman:	so no worries about the unlock ones danielpbarron	[08:30]
jurov:	i meant, sorry for the accusation to chetty	[08:30]
chetty:	up	[09:01]
chetty:	yes the timer resets on all those things when the server restarts	[09:17]
mod6:	thx diana_coman	[09:43]
diana_coman:	np, hope it helps :)	[09:49]
diana_coman:	now I get lots of trouble with crafting that just doesn't work for some reason (same type of trouble as jurov had yesterday when making the chetty stick: everything seems fine, except at the end there is still just the bundle there)	[10:05]
diana_coman:	"you cannot practice your trade when working" – what is that about? (I wasn't doing anything and it just popped up in there)	[10:07]
mod6:	im actually getting that a bunch when mining. i'd say since i logged in this AM, ~70 of the time, i need to move the targeted item around from cell to cell to get the output item to "Starting work on item"… or in the case of a small, moving the bundle from cell to cell to get it to 'kick-start'	[10:12]
mod6:	it was fine, pretty much, yesterday.	[10:13]
chetty:	diana_coman, I dont find exactly that error message but I have tightened the times on clicking to remove craft results and start a new craft due to people clicking a lot before the craft was actually done	[10:17]
diana_coman:	on the bright side, it now seems to know if a craft was interrupted, but unfortunately there is this ugly bug when things seem to go fine but don't and it's really just left hanging as the only indication is when the bar finishes and vanishes but nothing has changed (no item no message no nothing)	[10:20]
diana_coman:	no idea how/when exactly/why that happens	[10:20]
chetty:	yeah that one is on my list as next one to tackle, people just started complaining about it, but I think its been around for a while	[10:22]
chetty:	server rest coming up in 5	[10:23]
diana_coman:	it seems to have flared up today	[10:24]
diana_coman:	I remember having it long time ago	[10:24]
diana_coman:	but then it kind of vanished or maybe it was really very very rare	[10:24]
diana_coman:	but now I've been trying to make 1 adze for half an hour, lol	[10:25]
diana_coman:	more than 5 attempts and still no luck	[10:25]
chetty:	yeah interesting challenge it will be to track down a 'nothing happens'	[10:25]
diana_coman:	I'd define it as: starting craft (server notified and ack since the bar appears) and then …never finished	[10:26]
chetty:	ahh ty, I grabbed a log in last few minutes, maybe some clues there	[10:26]
diana_coman:	that's good :)	[10:26]
danielpbarron:	ready	[10:26]
danielpbarron:	diana_coman> now I get lots of trouble with crafting that just doesn't work for some reason << i know the reason	[10:27]
diana_coman:	you do? what is it?	[10:27]
danielpbarron:	i'd bet 10 to 1 it's some sort of lock on a database entry	[10:27]
danielpbarron:	when two players simultaneously finish something that would yield value out of the server, only one goes through	[10:27]
chetty:	hmm possible ..	[10:28]
diana_coman:	hmmm, sounds like it could be	[10:28]
danielpbarron:	this includes crafting, exploring, building	[10:28]
diana_coman:	I just have no clue on the server	[10:28]
danielpbarron:	when i am playing alone, it "never" happens	[10:28]
danielpbarron:	when you guys log in, it starts happening frequently	[10:28]
diana_coman:	well, yest we were all playing and it didn't happen or at least not to me, not sure if I was that lucky or what	[10:29]
diana_coman:	oh, I see	[10:29]
danielpbarron:	if it's not happening to you, you're the lucky one	[10:29]
danielpbarron:	sometimes it happens to me 5+ times in a row	[10:29]
diana_coman:	well, I did have that today	[10:29]
diana_coman:	even several times (5+ in a row then done then again on next item etc)	[10:29]
chetty:	back up	[10:29]
diana_coman:	thanks	[10:29]
diana_coman:	then again yest I had that exploring with no message	[10:30]
diana_coman:	which might be exactly the same in fact	[10:30]
chetty:	I suppose its possible db interference, but it should be queuing one action	[10:30]
diana_coman:	just that there is no way to tell really	[10:30]
diana_coman:	awww chetty	[10:31]
diana_coman:	not it ate my adze bundle :(	[10:31]
chetty:	what message? if any?	[10:31]
diana_coman:	no, I meant: it was there before reset and it's not there now	[10:32]
diana_coman:	uhm	[10:32]
diana_coman:	lemme	[10:32]
diana_coman:	lemme check everything	[10:32]
chetty:	oh come on … on a crash yeah but not when I shut it down on purpose …	[10:32]
chetty:	unless you were still crafting knowing I was abuot to shut down?	[10:33]
diana_coman:	oh, no, nevermind, sorry, it just put it somewhere in inventory	[10:33]
diana_coman:	no, I had logged off	[10:33]
diana_coman:	that's why I was so surprised	[10:33]
diana_coman:	but I found it, sorry for the false alarm	[10:33]
diana_coman:	I just didn't see it in the inventory the first time, geez	[10:33]
chetty:	boy its my day to get heat for all sorts of stuff I guess	[10:34]
diana_coman:	sorry	[10:34]
diana_coman:	but the craft still didn't get through, lol	[10:34]
diana_coman:	that bundle is not meant to be made today :)))	[10:34]
diana_coman:	interesting that a different bundle went through fine,but then I have no way of knowing if it wasn't just by accident/luck and nothing to do with the object itself	[10:41]
chetty:	its not the object	[10:42]
diana_coman:	well, I got back to that bundle and ….trouble again :)))	[10:44]
diana_coman:	interesting: I moved it around and it started but no bar of course, hence I clicked on use to start it again; the interesting thing is that this time it said that I interrupted the craft, while when I start it again after one of those failed things it doesn't say that, hence there was no "still ongoing" craft on the server or something	[10:46]
diana_coman:	and yeah, this bundle is not going to become an item today no matter what, it seems	[10:50]
diana_coman:	lol	[10:50]
danielpbarron:	it's because we're gathering	[10:50]
danielpbarron:	it's just especially noticable and annoying when the craft is a long one	[10:50]
diana_coman:	it's just funny how any other bundle went through (same type of item)	[10:57]
diana_coman:	just that one seems terribly unlucky :)))	[10:57]
mod6:	chetty: seems to be behaving better with that now for sure.	[12:40]
diana_coman:	oh no, did I crash the server?	[13:15]
danielpbarron:	ya	[13:15]
danielpbarron:	chetty, ^	[13:15]
diana_coman:	it was still kind of bot-related thing though this time I messed up with it so kind of bot+me, lol	[13:16]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[13:16]
mod6:	dangit	[13:16]
mod6:	i knew i should have mined those smalls	[13:16]
mircea_popescu:	now getting crashes 15 layers deep ffs	[13:17]
mircea_popescu:	back up	[13:17]
mod6:	nice they're still there whew	[13:18]
mod6:	lol, i guess we'd only be out 7 so, meh.	[13:19]
mircea_popescu:	you never know till you find out huh.	[13:20]
mod6:	yup	[13:20]
chetty:	actually a crash likely gives you more time to mine something, restart server sets the time back	[13:31]
mod6:	ah, ok	[13:34]
chetty:	was anyone doing a trade when it last crashed?	[14:02]
mircea_popescu:	i was crafting	[14:05]
chetty:	server reset in 5	[15:57]
chetty:	done	[16:03]
mod6:	thanks chetty	[16:05]
chetty:	well no real fixes with this, just ways to track more data and see whats up ..	[16:06]
mod6:	always nice to have	[16:14]
chetty:	all the easy debugs have been done, now its the muddy stuff	[16:16]
mod6:	sure. lowest hanging fruit first makes sense.	[16:26]
mod6:	what was that one item called back in the day "useless muck"?	[16:28]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron ding me when you're done with the slag batch	[16:31]
danielpbarron:	mod6, disgusting goop?	[17:19]
danielpbarron:	which btw is a scarce resource until someone finds a rich crumbly rock deposit	[17:19]
mod6:	i've been looking for CRs for about an hour, no such luck.	[17:20]
mod6:	i'm on my last 8 tools @ qual 7k each	[17:20]
mod6:	wont be long …	[17:21]
danielpbarron:	how did you get that quality	[17:21]
mod6:	i made 'em	[17:21]
danielpbarron:	who told you to do that!?	[17:21]
mod6:	wat?	[17:21]
danielpbarron:	mp makes 18k tools	[17:21]
danielpbarron:	better to give him the ingredients	[17:21]
mod6:	it was like… weeks ago or a month ago or something.	[17:21]
danielpbarron:	oh	[17:21]
mod6:	and everyone was either afk or not around or who knows.	[17:21]
mod6:	but i needed tools so i just made them	[17:22]
danielpbarron:	bare-handed isn't as bad as you'd think	[17:22]
mod6:	meanwhile i've been using mp's stuff or foxy's if she has any.	[17:22]
mod6:	but those are all burned up, so im tapping into my reserve stash	[17:22]
mod6:	and no, no disgusting goop. sol dthe last of it to mp or foxy a whlie back	[17:22]
mod6:	:]	[17:22]
mod6:	and bare-handed gets super old having to walk up to suicide point every 30 minutes.	[17:25]
danielpbarron:	oh well then i've got some very useful info for you!	[17:25]
danielpbarron:	/die	[17:25]
jurov:	/die	[17:26]
danielpbarron:	also, learn to xmacro	[17:26]
jurov:	haha i got [481] jurov Permission Denied – You're not an IRC operator	[17:26]
mod6:	haha, /die, that's nifty	[17:26]
jurov:	on /die	[17:26]
danielpbarron:	i just made 24 shaped slags while i was out shopping	[17:26]
mod6:	< danielpbarron> also, learn to xmacro << used it fine within 24hrs of the annouce. you wanna race?	[17:27]
mod6:	lol	[17:27]
mircea_popescu:	mod6 ima want them when they're spent anyway	[17:27]
mod6:	my tools?	[17:28]
mircea_popescu:	aha	[17:28]
jurov:	so you all can craft so reliably that you can xmacro?	[17:28]
mircea_popescu:	yep	[17:28]
jurov:	mind blown	[17:28]
mircea_popescu:	you're the only one with that strange issue jurov, and i have no fucking idea why.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu:	but i macro'd > 100k clicks' worth to date without issue	[17:29]
mod6:	danielpbarron: anyway, as it is, i like mining more than crafting anyway. and additionally, i can't script the mining so.. mind as well just have fun doing that by hand anyway.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu:	i kinda enjoy mining too	[17:31]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron done btw ?	[17:32]
mod6:	lol, i can't believe there has been /die this whole time	[17:32]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[17:34]
danielpbarron:	the flats are done, making the sharps nwo	[17:34]
mircea_popescu:	a cool	[17:34]
danielpbarron:	mod6, i have mining macros	[17:34]
danielpbarron:	well.. explore macros	[17:34]
jurov:	there's also /mount… but sadly won't work with other players	[17:34]
danielpbarron:	haven't figured out building yet	[17:34]
danielpbarron:	lol	[17:34]
mod6:	lol jurov	[17:35]
mircea_popescu:	ahaha	[17:35]
mod6:	dang i broke 1000 on bits o' nothing	[17:48]
mod6:	that's insane. that means i've mined at least 1000 tinys o.O	[17:49]
mircea_popescu:	wd!	[17:49]
mod6:	ty	[17:49]
danielpbarron:	i had to stop keeping keys	[17:50]
danielpbarron:	they don't turn into bits fast enough for me	[17:51]
danielpbarron:	plus they don't stack themselves	[17:51]
mod6:	yeah, and they don't edn up stacked	[17:51]
mod6:	yah	[17:51]
danielpbarron:	so now i put keys to tinys into the claim container after i use it	[17:52]
mod6:	i need to make a "transfer keys from inventory to container (if open)" button	[17:52]
danielpbarron:	and i have nearly a whole inventory full of small claim keys	[17:52]
danielpbarron:	just from today	[17:53]
mod6:	yeah. i spend a lot of time moving keys around	[17:53]
danielpbarron:	well smalls + tiny shrooms	[17:53]
diana_coman:	mod6 any beaches where you found blind spots ?	[17:54]
diana_coman:	or any that you haven't yet really looked at?	[17:54]
mod6:	yeah, i've im in a huge blind spot now	[17:54]
mod6:	im trying to find stuff in there.	[17:54]
diana_coman:	oh, where is that?	[17:54]
diana_coman:	I can come as I'll pop in game in a minute to test something	[17:55]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu atm it seems I can't really leave it on to make toothpaste or whatever as the connection is unreliable	[17:55]
diana_coman:	not sure if you still wanted/needed it anyway	[17:55]
diana_coman:	let me know	[17:55]
mod6:	yeah sorry one sec.	[17:56]
danielpbarron:	mircea_popescu, final slag is half done	[17:59]
mod6:	ok. yeah, im down by the glowing ball of death	[17:59]
mod6:	boom?	[18:08]
danielpbarron:	heh	[18:08]
mod6:	yup	[18:08]
diana_coman:	oh,down?	[18:08]
danielpbarron:	chetty, ^	[18:08]
diana_coman:	mod6 I kept getting TPT all over the place there	[18:09]
chetty:	sec	[18:09]
diana_coman:	then again if those things are really within a 3 coordinates radius or some such…	[18:09]
mod6:	yeah	[18:09]
mod6:	thats kinda the thing, its hard for me to tell what a dead spot truly is.	[18:10]
diana_coman:	any other place on the island?	[18:10]
chetty:	up	[18:10]
mod6:	is that the size of the spot? 3 units of coord	[18:10]
diana_coman:	well, it's always hard I guess	[18:10]
diana_coman:	thank you, chetty	[18:10]
diana_coman:	I have no idea	[18:10]
diana_coman:	I'm just saying that it might be in principle	[18:10]
diana_coman:	and then we are truly fucked	[18:11]
mod6:	anyway, also yeah, i've also checked that one spot that leads down to the water over by where mp said that he couldn't find the SBs on the grassy top.	[18:11]
diana_coman:	neah, I told him	[18:11]
mod6:	(which btw, i did find a bunch of SBs on there)	[18:11]
diana_coman:	I found there wpl	[18:11]
diana_coman:	and sg	[18:11]
diana_coman:	and sb	[18:11]
chetty:	who was trading when it crashed?	[18:11]
diana_coman:	not me	[18:11]
mod6:	not me	[18:11]
mod6:	i was trying to mine when it stopped repsonding	[18:11]
chetty:	no one at merchant?	[18:12]
mod6:	but.. anyway, i went down that hill after checking for the SBs on top and found tons of SBs at the bottom of the path to the water that's a bit "beachy"	[18:12]
diana_coman:	I think only MP was in the village a few minutes earlier when I left, but not sure	[18:12]
diana_coman:	I think mp was mining them there?	[18:12]
diana_coman:	there is sb into the water down there too	[18:12]
diana_coman:	I checked a bit around that	[18:12]
mod6:	yah	[18:13]
mod6:	there are a bunch in the water, but i tend not to map those.	[18:13]
mod6:	because i get the feeling that water=death when death=true	[18:13]
chetty:	lol	[18:13]
diana_coman:	it would certainly make sense, yes	[18:13]
danielpbarron:	apparently i was at the merchant	[18:13]
danielpbarron:	i had traveled to the shrooms spot and even /explored a little when it crashed	[18:14]
danielpbarron:	but now i'm back in town	[18:14]
diana_coman:	lol, delayed merchant mechanism	[18:14]
diana_coman:	yaaay, I got some logging going on	[18:14]
diana_coman:	but I basically ripped again from the client based and moved it away	[18:15]
diana_coman:	such a mess	[18:15]
chetty:	You are not in range to trade with … was last thing server did as it went down, whole new sort of crash here	[18:15]
diana_coman:	hmmm	[18:16]
diana_coman:	mod6 and I, we did trade a bit before that	[18:16]
diana_coman:	but it seemed to have gone fine	[18:16]
mod6:	shhhhh	[18:16]
diana_coman:	and we mined a bit afterwards	[18:16]
diana_coman:	lol	[18:16]
mod6:	don't tell 'em that you sold me that cruddy hoe	[18:16]
diana_coman:	:)))))	[18:17]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron brt	[18:30]
mod6:	;;later tell diana_coman i've got those used tools for you.	[18:53]
mod6:	Mr. P. I've got 4 of 'em worn out so far. You wanna wait for the whole stack of 10 at once or 4 now 6 later?	[18:54]
mod6:	ok, im off for a bit. no worries, i'll get em to ya later.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron got anything from those brews btw ?	[19:48]
danielpbarron:	oh heh didn't even see your inquiry here	[20:56]
danielpbarron:	will know in ~10 mins	[20:56]
danielpbarron:	this stuff takes a while	[20:56]
danielpbarron:	takes two beetle brews to make a supplication	[20:58]
danielpbarron:	does that mean i drink them while manipulating the velum?	[20:58]
danielpbarron:	like how the velum takes gin to make	[20:58]
danielpbarron:	bouqinists like to get drunk for their craft	[20:59]
danielpbarron:	sacrificing chicken scribblings takes a while	[21:19]
danielpbarron:	longest timer i think i've seen	[21:19]
danielpbarron:	murky and rocks probably took this long too but that happened a while ago	[21:20]
danielpbarron:	still going	[21:34]
danielpbarron:	almost there!	[21:41]
danielpbarron:	welp i'm pretty sure that was a waste	[21:45]
danielpbarron:	i need to get more berry supplications	[21:45]
mircea_popescu:	nothing ?	[22:13]
danielpbarron:	well i got the token	[22:17]
danielpbarron:	and more than 2 ranks worth of exp	[22:18]
mircea_popescu:	but naught else huh.	[22:18]
danielpbarron:	nada	[22:19]

chetty:	server reset in 5	[04:23]
chetty:	done	[04:32]
mircea_popescu:	for the record – buying chetty stick traditions for 10k a pop, any q.	[09:33]
diana_coman:	hello	[10:30]
danielpbarron:	down!	[10:30]
danielpbarron:	heh	[10:30]
diana_coman:	not sure if it wasn't me as I was messing about again with some changes to the bot	[10:33]
chetty:	looking at trace now	[10:34]
diana_coman:	ha, I'd suspect it was me judging by the state before and after, lol	[10:35]
chetty:	actually I am not sure from this, crash was while updating item views to client	[10:37]
diana_coman:	thing is: I started crafting some braided threads	[10:37]
diana_coman:	and the bot grabbed the bundle while it was crafting	[10:37]
diana_coman:	and it was in my inventory when the server was not responsive	[10:37]
diana_coman:	now that I got back	[10:37]
diana_coman:	I actually had a braided thread on the table	[10:38]
diana_coman:	and no bundle in the inventory	[10:38]
chetty:	yeah I peeled back previous crashes from too early grrabs a bit, now we got a new one a little further along	[10:38]
diana_coman:	just in case it has something to do with it	[10:38]
diana_coman:	ha ha, glad the bot does a good job of finding crashing points at least	[10:38]
chetty:	the lack of that bundle/end item is in fact what crashed it	[10:39]
diana_coman:	for now it seems to work surprisingly fine without re-targeting so that should take care of the double-wear down issue otherwise	[10:39]
diana_coman:	that's good	[10:39]
chetty:	yea but it still gets a bit lost when you move stuff around while its crafting	[10:40]
diana_coman:	move stuff around as in getting items and placing them somewhere else?	[10:41]
diana_coman:	not really sure it's something that one should really be able to do while crafting at the same time, no?	[10:41]
diana_coman:	the only thing I can think of to avoid that would be that target lock thing	[10:42]
diana_coman:	but it seems to need more looking into as last time it wasn't really working….	[10:42]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman it is a VERY useful debug tool.	[10:44]
diana_coman:	really glad to hear it :)	[10:44]
mircea_popescu:	i have nfi what closed source houses that are like "no bots because we can't design but would like to pretend we made a game!11" do.	[10:45]
mircea_popescu:	i guess more of the same lalala hands in ears business. once you start with that…	[10:45]
diana_coman:	get burried under a pile of shit I suppose and pretend it smells wonderfully, what else could they do?	[10:46]
diana_coman:	is my understanding correct that the base value of items does not/will not change?	[10:47]
mircea_popescu:	yes.	[10:47]
diana_coman:	cool, as I think a public list with that is just about sorely needed by now, lol	[10:48]
mircea_popescu:	IF, and it is a very big IF, if for bitcoin appreciation reasons i will see myself forced to scale the value of items so the game stays playable, this will be announced early and implemented after giving everyone a change to sell out.	[10:48]
diana_coman:	oh, that's perfectly ok	[10:48]
diana_coman:	ugh, so there is supposedly a log class in the util package in the client but then the chat window does all the work itself in its own log method??	[11:12]
mircea_popescu:	myeah.	[11:12]
chetty:	so 5 minutes and server reset, yet another patch to try	[11:13]
danielpbarron:	ready	[11:14]
chetty:	it keeps a chat log in your .eulora files	[11:14]
diana_coman:	wait a bit chetty, please	[11:15]
diana_coman:	I'm in the middle of a craft, should finish soon	[11:15]
chetty:	ah ok, I think I can see when it finishes	[11:16]
diana_coman:	done :)	[11:16]
diana_coman:	thanks	[11:16]
diana_coman:	I guess the bot could do with a delayed stop	[11:17]
diana_coman:	lol	[11:17]
chetty:	done	[11:17]
diana_coman:	chetty, help	[15:21]
diana_coman:	I dropped some branches	[15:21]
diana_coman:	and they are in space!	[15:21]
diana_coman:	I basically can't reach them :(	[15:21]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[15:22]
mircea_popescu:	eulora launches 1st artificial satellite.	[15:22]
diana_coman:	yeah, a bag of sb	[15:22]
sueastside:	And all the science he don't understand, its just his job 5 days a week.	[15:22]
diana_coman:	but it's 335 sb…	[15:22]
sueastside:	Chetty the rocketman, rocketman, not the man they think he is at home, oh no, a rocketman, coding out there….alone.	[15:24]
diana_coman:	http://www.dianacoman.com/available_resources/shot21.jpg	[15:26]
diana_coman:	have a look…	[15:26]
diana_coman:	it basically got it into the ground although I just dropped it	[15:27]
diana_coman:	it doesn't even want to target it nor anything, ugh	[15:27]
mircea_popescu:	ouch.	[15:28]
diana_coman:	I managed to target it (text mode) but then it says I am too far away to pick it up :(	[15:28]
diana_coman:	I really need help with this one, lol	[15:28]
mircea_popescu:	"don't drop things" help any ? :D	[15:29]
diana_coman:	oh really now	[15:30]
diana_coman:	it's supposed to burry them?	[15:30]
diana_coman:	and at least if it gets them there when one drops them, it should also be able to pick them up again instead of saying that they are too far away when I targeted them	[15:31]
mircea_popescu:	tru.	[15:32]
diana_coman:	apparently by "you are too far away to pick up Solid Branch" it means in fact "they are too deep down for you to pick them up" lol	[15:33]
mircea_popescu:	sit ?	[15:34]
diana_coman:	the same	[15:34]
diana_coman:	prolly the only option is to hack the client again to get into the ground myself and pick them up	[15:35]
mircea_popescu:	got like an hour before they poof i think	[15:35]
diana_coman:	if not moved from the server back onto the ground	[15:35]
diana_coman:	is now in space looking for a floating bag of solid branches…	[15:42]
diana_coman:	hooooraaaay	[15:46]
mircea_popescu:	:)	[15:47]
mircea_popescu:	wd.	[15:47]
diana_coman:	yeah, fishing sb in space for fun and profit :))))	[15:48]
jurov:	happened to me too. but nothing so valuable	[15:53]
diana_coman:	it did happen before, but not THIS bad	[15:53]
diana_coman:	slowly rising from the sands…	[15:57]
diana_coman:	so anyway on this occasion mod6 let me know if you need more/other screenshots from up high	[16:18]
mod6:	plz. if you can get any of the entire island that'd be great. and/or any similar shots like before without the chat window in there — if you can somehow take a screenshot with a different, outside tool than say /screenshot	[16:21]
jurov:	mod6 how do you map coordinates to screenshot?	[16:30]
mod6:	its not an exact science or anything.	[16:33]
mod6:	i just try to find some visual reference points in game and then plot them where they are on the map. most common items are scattared in a "general" area, so those you'll see in bunches. for the ones that are in very spcific places I use an asterisk to make a "footnote" of sorts that contains the actual coords.	[16:34]
mod6:	I don't have a better way to do this. Maybe someone else can/does?	[16:34]
diana_coman:	hmmm	[16:36]
diana_coman:	yes, I can	[16:36]
diana_coman:	I can take an external screenshot I meant	[16:37]
diana_coman:	for one thing	[16:37]
diana_coman:	lol	[16:37]
diana_coman:	for the other I am still thinking of ways to make the client spit out the map maybe	[16:37]
diana_coman:	basically by spiting out the result of /pos	[16:37]
diana_coman:	as you move about	[16:37]
diana_coman:	and then get that and make the map with something external	[16:38]
diana_coman:	but tbh I didn't have time to look into this properly	[16:38]
jurov:	but client should have the map in memory	[16:38]
diana_coman:	thing with an image of the entire island is that it will be too smal I think	[16:38]
diana_coman:	uhm, it doesn't jurov	[16:38]
diana_coman:	it has sectors	[16:38]
diana_coman:	only those of interest	[16:38]
diana_coman:	as far as I could tell	[16:38]
diana_coman:	I guess you could make it out of sectors maybe	[16:39]
diana_coman:	or try to request from server more if possible, not sure	[16:39]
jurov:	diana_coman i want to return to you the coppers	[16:39]
diana_coman:	it's worth investigating that for sure though	[16:39]
diana_coman:	oh, ok	[16:39]
diana_coman:	wow, not it crashed the server	[17:32]
mircea_popescu:	omfg don't tell me he crashed it	[17:32]
diana_coman:	but tbh before this I had this trouble now too as I kept trying to build a tiny claim and the bit of nothing wouldn'y change	[17:32]
diana_coman:	yeah	[17:32]
diana_coman:	lol	[17:32]
diana_coman:	he did	[17:32]
mircea_popescu:	my last recipe is gone ? what the shit already.	[17:32]
diana_coman:	uhm, I hope not	[17:33]
diana_coman:	otherwise I guess the next award for some work will have to be chetty stick traditions, lol	[17:33]
mircea_popescu:	iirc daniel has a few, grenadine made 9 he got 4	[17:33]
diana_coman:	oh, good then	[17:33]
mircea_popescu:	back up	[17:34]
mircea_popescu:	how he managed to crash it without clicking or anything is anyone's guess.	[17:34]
jurov:	lol was it me?	[17:34]
diana_coman:	maybe it wasn't jurov really	[17:34]
diana_coman:	there is the bundle in the toolkit	[17:35]
diana_coman:	jurov are you getting in before it dissappears?	[17:35]
jurov:	nothing disappears	[17:35]
mircea_popescu:	ah ok then	[17:35]
jurov:	it jsut keeps sitting in the toolkit and nothing happens	[17:36]
diana_coman:	it gets swept away	[17:36]
diana_coman:	and sometimes things DO vanish	[17:36]
mircea_popescu:	yeah pick up the toolkit once	[17:36]
diana_coman:	I know I lost quite a few mushrooms that way	[17:36]
diana_coman:	:p	[17:36]
diana_coman:	and 1 bandar toolkit ….	[17:36]
jurov:	oh you meant to relogin	[17:37]
diana_coman:	yeah, lol	[17:37]
mircea_popescu:	jurov did it werk eventually ?	[17:51]
jurov:	yes but it said toolkit is worn	[17:52]
mircea_popescu:	what does this mean ?	[17:52]
jurov:	retrying with blessed one	[17:52]
mircea_popescu:	oh	[17:52]
mircea_popescu:	well duh of course you couldn't complete it with a worn toolkit eh	[17:52]
jurov:	but it waits till the end…	[17:53]
diana_coman:	how many pss do you need/will you buy, mircea_popescu?	[17:53]
mircea_popescu:	50 ? 100 ?	[17:53]
mircea_popescu:	basically i wanna make a bunch of bp research packages.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu:	also, need TPT, 35, 70	[17:53]
diana_coman:	oh, ok	[17:53]
diana_coman:	is tpt also rare?	[17:53]
diana_coman:	oh, I think it is, yeah	[17:53]
mircea_popescu:	nah, tons of people found em	[17:53]
mircea_popescu:	its like moss	[17:54]
diana_coman:	as in what qual I get, lol	[17:54]
diana_coman:	so yes, it is	[17:54]
mircea_popescu:	aha yea	[17:54]
diana_coman:	basically that's what I am best at atm so well	[17:54]
diana_coman:	interesting what I get in the console: <src/client/psclientdr.cpp:223 HandleDeadReckon SEVERE>Thu Jul 30 22:55:02 2015, Got DR message for unknown entity EID:10842.	[17:55]
diana_coman:	oh, and mircea_popescu do you sell any of that flotsam?	[17:57]
jurov:	still no cigar :(	[17:58]
diana_coman:	got stopped again???	[17:59]
jurov:	not stopped	[18:00]
jurov:	no nothing	[18:00]
diana_coman:	uhm	[18:00]
diana_coman:	weird	[18:00]
diana_coman:	it didn't say anything	[18:00]
diana_coman:	but the bar finished and nothing?	[18:00]
jurov:	moved it iside toolkit, it said "starting" , but without progressbar, waiting…	[18:00]
diana_coman:	that's what I got a bit earlier right before the server crash	[18:00]
diana_coman:	….	[18:00]
jurov:	yes, the bar finished and nothing happened	[18:00]
diana_coman:	ugh, I had that only long-long time ago	[18:01]
diana_coman:	never really got why	[18:01]
jurov:	nothing new for me either, i just was not doing so big craft jobs and hoped it will eventually get resolved	[18:02]
jurov:	i knew chetty would clamor for details and there are no detaisl to be had at all	[18:02]
chetty:	srry guys I am still on resolving bots causing crashes, I'll look into this at some point	[18:24]
diana_coman:	mod6 this is about the best I could get to have all the island fitting in : http://www.dianacoman.com/available_resources/shot24.jpg	[18:45]
diana_coman:	not sure if it's not too small though, but at least it's all in there	[18:45]
diana_coman:	btw, the black thing in the very middle is….me	[18:45]
diana_coman:	lol	[18:45]
danielpbarron:	i just picked up a bandar toolkit someone left in town	[18:55]
jurov:	lol how did you manage that high? it was resetting my position long before that	[18:55]
danielpbarron:	266k quality on it for the record	[18:56]
diana_coman:	uhm, did you check it truly was?	[18:56]
diana_coman:	jurov, is that your toolkit?	[18:56]
jurov:	yes mine :(	[18:56]
jurov:	diana_coman: it said so	[18:56]
jurov:	and it stopped moving	[18:56]
diana_coman:	ah, well	[18:56]
diana_coman:	I am NOT moving	[18:57]
diana_coman:	no way	[18:57]
diana_coman:	lol	[18:57]
diana_coman:	I am teleporting	[18:57]
diana_coman:	and as long as I don't move, it's fine	[18:57]
jurov:	nice loophole	[18:58]
diana_coman:	I hadn't even still on, but well, the solid branch thing….	[18:59]
diana_coman:	it saved the day in the end	[18:59]
diana_coman:	well, I think the server basically doesn't really know about it	[19:00]
diana_coman:	unless it monitors requests for the map or something	[19:00]
diana_coman:	as my "position" as far as the server is concerned	[19:00]
diana_coman:	is still the one before the teleport	[19:00]
diana_coman:	that's the thing with the teleport: unless you do something that updates your position, your actions will happen at the old one	[19:01]
diana_coman:	it's quite interesting really: that's a way of haunting places I guess :)))	[19:01]
jurov:	i see	[19:02]

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chetty:	server reset in 5	[04:01]
chetty:	done	[04:08]
chetty:	server reset in 5	[07:42]
chetty:	done	[07:48]
jurov:	it slowly dawned on me that to implement satisfactory irc client… i need to embed terminal emulator in eulora :/	[08:07]
jurov:	one can then run irssi or whatever there.. better than stuffing whole irc n	[08:09]
chetty:	ahh	[08:13]
danielpbarron:	is it down right now?	[08:44]
chetty:	not now	[08:45]
danielpbarron:	i can't connecct	[08:47]
chetty:	my bad, should wrk now	[08:48]
mircea_popescu:	jurov that's kinda what i was going at with the entire euloraos talk.	[09:25]
mircea_popescu:	originally it seemed maybe melding something like xchat in there may be easier, but thinking about it, actually getting a bourne shell in would help tons, especialy on windows	[09:25]
mircea_popescu:	help introduce windidiots to actual computing.	[09:25]
mircea_popescu:	dun tell me firefox has bash in it ?	[09:30]
mircea_popescu:	http://www.indiedb.com/games/eulora << danielpbarron 's been busy eh ? cheerios!	[09:40]
lobbesbot:	Eulora Windows, Mac, Linux game – Indie DB (at www.indiedb.com)	[09:40]
danielpbarron:	down	[14:43]
mircea_popescu:	heh	[14:48]
mircea_popescu:	back	[14:49]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu do you have any high q toothpaste for sale? not much necessarily, 10 will do	[17:41]
mircea_popescu:	i am working on making samovar atm. and once i have it, ima use a noob to craft, because not enough bps. youre not enough of a noob.	[17:42]
diana_coman:	lol, I actually just got quite a bunch of recipes from the samovar	[17:44]
diana_coman:	and I still want to buy a new samovar as this one will soon die	[17:44]
diana_coman:	I got even congressional pulp recipe + plain flour + toothpaste	[17:45]
mircea_popescu:	you don't understand. if we manage to extinguish the chetty tradition that's it, we're fucked.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu:	i'm, not taking any chances.	[17:45]
diana_coman:	that I got, I was not onto that, lol	[17:45]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[17:45]
mircea_popescu:	so… yeah, prolly use mod toi craft em	[17:46]
mircea_popescu:	mod6 you ever crafted anything ?	[17:46]
mod6:	yeah.	[17:47]
mod6:	made a samovar once.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu:	so what level are you in tinkering ?	[17:48]
mod6:	76	[17:49]
mircea_popescu:	pretty high. need someone with like.. 5!	[17:49]
diana_coman:	is grenadine high too?	[17:50]
diana_coman:	or perhaps daniel's friend	[17:50]
hanbot:	diana_coman i'm like 59	[17:51]
mircea_popescu:	who's daniel's friend ?	[17:52]
mircea_popescu:	btw diana, how much for another 100 slithy toves ?	[17:52]
diana_coman:	I can't remember the name, lol, maybe danielpbarron helps us out	[17:53]
diana_coman:	not until I get at least a couple of samovars out of the previous slice,lol	[17:53]
diana_coman:	jutter maybe? (daniel's friend)	[17:54]
mircea_popescu:	a couple eh ?	[17:55]
diana_coman:	out of 100, a couple is not much now, is it?	[17:55]
mircea_popescu:	no, it's not. not at all.	[17:56]
diana_coman:	there are only 10 hundreds in 1k you know? lol	[17:56]
mircea_popescu:	on the other hand : if i give you the couple i am making, i can't make tootphaste, and the chetty stick branch stalls.	[17:56]
diana_coman:	uhm, it's 1 tove per samovar!	[17:56]
mircea_popescu:	we're badly out of oil.	[17:56]
diana_coman:	what are you doing with the rest of toves?	[17:56]
mircea_popescu:	sitting on them for now.	[17:56]
diana_coman:	I gave you all my shrooms!	[17:56]
diana_coman:	aham	[17:56]
mircea_popescu:	it's the oil i know you have hon but it's 10 to the samovar!	[17:56]
diana_coman:	and trying to pry them from under me at the same time, yeah?	[17:57]
mircea_popescu:	hey, maybe you want money, what do i know.	[17:57]
diana_coman:	sure I want money, can't argue with that	[17:57]
mod6:	i've got SM, WMs for ya when ur done crafting	[17:57]
diana_coman:	it's a matter of amount there only, lol	[17:57]
mircea_popescu:	anyway : i'm proceeding at making samovars as fast as feasible. the thing is, gotta strike a balance because if i leave everyone without tools then we're fucked for shrooms	[17:58]
mircea_popescu:	and i want to make chetty sticks because maybe someone gets an ordinary shroom and it's minable	[17:58]
diana_coman:	maybe	[17:58]
mircea_popescu:	your remarkable is great, but imo too soon to mine remarkables, waste all that skill xp	[17:59]
diana_coman:	maybe they get it and maybe it's minable	[17:59]
diana_coman:	lol	[17:59]
mircea_popescu:	wtf should i do ?	[17:59]
diana_coman:	yeah	[17:59]
mircea_popescu:	you tell me. without oil there's no slag, without slag there's no tools and no samovars.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu:	without tools there's certainly less oil.	[17:59]
diana_coman:	not sure about that anymore, lol	[17:59]
diana_coman:	prolly we should all get daniel's script	[17:59]
diana_coman:	and leave them go there for a few days, lol	[17:59]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[18:00]
diana_coman:	barehanded	[18:00]
diana_coman:	he still found 12 shrooms or so over breakfast he said	[18:00]
diana_coman:	so well	[18:00]
mircea_popescu:	wait, ytour solution to economic problems is, "We should all stop eating for a month" ?	[18:00]
mircea_popescu:	what are you, from the kibutz ?	[18:00]
diana_coman:	ha ha, lol	[18:00]
diana_coman:	no, I was giving you a tested solution to the problem "how do we find enough shrooms?"	[18:00]
diana_coman:	sure, it's ugly and tedious and all	[18:01]
diana_coman:	it wasn't me who made it to be that way though :p	[18:01]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[18:01]
mod6:	i was going to sell you two. how many more do you need?	[18:01]
mircea_popescu:	and the problem is compounded by my genius idea for a sunday event	[18:01]
mircea_popescu:	because now everyone wants huge piles of tools to work their durability	[18:02]
diana_coman:	I was trying hard to keep my mouth shut on that, lol	[18:02]
mircea_popescu:	mod6 about 1k shrooms would be great	[18:02]
mircea_popescu:	but this here lazyass phf is SABOTAGING OUR FLEDGING ECONOMY	[18:02]
mircea_popescu:	like… actively!	[18:02]
mod6:	oh ok.	[18:03]
mod6:	ive got 10.	[18:03]
diana_coman:	oh wow, daniel left his script on mining wpl	[18:03]
mod6:	i was gonna horde 'em	[18:03]
diana_coman:	why not mushrooms?	[18:03]
mod6:	you need WPLs too? ive got like … a buttload of those.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu:	sure.	[18:04]
mod6:	well, where all values of buttload are like ~100	[18:04]
mircea_popescu:	actually… im not doing any mcguyver. i imagine these other two prolly want	[18:04]
mircea_popescu:	and 1 samovar done, making the other one.	[18:05]
diana_coman:	mod6 I'll take it	[18:05]
mod6:	need any rickety reeds?	[18:05]
mod6:	im itching to get these out of my storage too. lol	[18:06]
mod6:	how about birdsnests?	[18:06]
mod6:	or boulders?	[18:06]
mod6:	im sittin on also 100 Fs too	[18:06]
mod6:	128 RFs	[18:06]
mod6:	~100 TPTs	[18:07]
mod6:	8 EPSs	[18:07]
mod6:	8 AEs	[18:07]
mod6:	5 DCSs	[18:07]
mod6:	10 PSSs	[18:07]
diana_coman:	flotsam I can get at any time	[18:07]
diana_coman:	prolly best see me in game	[18:07]
mod6:	as you wish	[18:08]
mod6:	oh gnu	[18:29]
mod6:	gno*	[18:29]
diana_coman:	donw?	[18:29]
diana_coman:	down	[18:29]
diana_coman:	lol	[18:29]
mod6:	my client went bye bye	[18:29]
diana_coman:	well, the server too	[18:29]
mod6:	and i hope i don't lose the SM i just put on the ground lol	[18:29]
diana_coman:	yeah, I hope I still find 250k there since I had just put it in the trade window	[18:30]
danielpbarron:	diana_coman> I can't remember the name, lol, maybe danielpbarron helps us out << birdman, his character's name is Korgan	[18:30]
diana_coman:	does he have low tinkering? is he still around?	[18:31]
danielpbarron:	diana_coman> why not mushrooms? << mod was on shrooms and i didn't want to crowd the space	[18:33]
danielpbarron:	i will be gathering a LOT of shrooms over the next few days don't worry	[18:33]
danielpbarron:	he probably has no tinkering	[18:33]
danielpbarron:	he's just really busy in the meat world	[18:34]
diana_coman:	do crowd the space at shrooms please	[18:34]
diana_coman:	server down, chetty?	[19:25]
phf:	guilty as charged, i wish ascii's shiva hands	[19:29]
diana_coman:	got a grand total of …48 wm out of an ordinary obtained with a chetty stick	[19:36]
diana_coman:	very expensive mushrooms…	[19:36]
danielpbarron:	isn't that like 48k worth of shrooms at least?	[21:16]
danielpbarron:	and isn't a chetty stick worth about 30k?	[21:16]
danielpbarron:	although, what else goes into an ordinary	[21:16]
danielpbarron:	if a slithy tove then i guess you just about broke even	[21:16]
danielpbarron:	although although, you got the experience!	[21:17]
danielpbarron:	so probably very profitable	[21:17]

danielpbarron:	crashed	[00:56]
chetty:	up	[04:08]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron got shrooms for me my good man ?	[06:46]
mircea_popescu:	watch #eulora end up on the cryptodrugswatchlist for all this traffic in grass and shrooms we're doing	[06:47]
chetty:	lmao	[06:49]
jurov:	good there is no crystal anything on eluora (yet?)	[06:49]
jurov:	oh i forgot crystalspace	[06:50]
mircea_popescu:	won't last.	[06:50]
chetty:	guys server not acting right, bringing it down	[07:20]
danielpbarron:	d'oh	[07:21]
chetty:	so, we had a little database issue, there will be some rollback when it restarts	[07:31]
danielpbarron:	..	[07:35]
danielpbarron:	any chance i could get 11 more of the leaky treebark flask that's in my inventory?	[07:35]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[07:35]
danielpbarron:	i had just finished crafting 12 of them when it went down	[07:36]
danielpbarron:	and now i just have 1 and the ingredients are missing	[07:36]
chetty:	check, I suspect your makings are still there too	[07:36]
danielpbarron:	i have 11 blueprints	[07:36]
danielpbarron:	yeah my shavings are missing	[07:37]
danielpbarron:	i had 144 at 105 quality	[07:37]
danielpbarron:	writes this all down	[07:37]
mircea_popescu:	haha	[07:37]
mircea_popescu:	looks into this.	[07:37]
chetty:	odd wonder how it managed to delete but not create …	[07:37]
chetty:	ahh but didnt delete the recipes?	[07:38]
danielpbarron:	also missing 11 standard disgusting goop (quality 168)	[07:38]
mircea_popescu:	ie 186 ?	[07:39]
danielpbarron:	err	[07:39]
danielpbarron:	no 168	[07:39]
mircea_popescu:	logoff danielpbarron	[07:40]
danielpbarron:	unless it's in my storage (i don't remember how many of those i had in storage)	[07:40]
danielpbarron:	but i know the shavings aren't in there	[07:40]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron mkay, can reload. you got the shavings back. the goop i'm not finding, so you're out that.	[07:44]
danielpbarron:	you found the shavings?	[07:44]
mircea_popescu:	ya	[07:46]
danielpbarron:	well now they are quality 106	[07:46]
danielpbarron:	(mixed with other stack in storage)	[07:46]
mircea_popescu:	aha.	[07:47]
danielpbarron:	no i mean after whatever you just did	[07:47]
jurov:	interesting, my building q went from 61 to 104 since yest	[07:48]
chetty:	wow thats a lot of building jurov .. I guess	[07:50]
jurov:	i have done no building in meantime :)	[07:51]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[07:51]
jurov:	same happened with my crafting some week ago.. jumped from 60something up by itself	[07:54]
mircea_popescu:	this is normal functioning of teh magical eulora server.	[07:55]
mircea_popescu:	the quality of your work depends on world state.	[07:55]
jurov:	someone croaked then?	[07:56]
mircea_popescu:	i ain't got my raven handy.	[07:56]
jurov:	ain't no obits? what's the point of living then?	[07:57]
jurov:	or new ppl joined since yest?	[07:58]
mircea_popescu:	bring your own point of life.	[07:59]
jurov:	kinda moot since we can't die properly	[08:23]
jurov:	or maybe all eulorians are vampyres since they cast a shadow only underwater	[08:23]
mircea_popescu:	could be	[08:24]
chetty:	careful what you wish for jurov	[08:26]
jurov:	it will come regardless of my wishes	[08:27]
chetty:	indeed	[08:27]
jurov:	lol i have in storage bits "guarded by daniel barron"	[08:30]
jurov:	on some shuffling "guarded by" vanished	[08:31]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[08:32]
jurov:	should check next time if some goop hasn't magically appeared	[08:35]
mircea_popescu:	lol you never know.	[08:36]
jurov:	anyone has idea how to interpret "crumbly stuff is on the beach"?	[11:29]
jurov:	i'm trying on the waterfronts, keep being teleported but so far nothing crubmly	[11:33]
jurov:	hope it isn't placed behind teleport line… or maybe it needs better tools	[11:33]
jurov:	aaannd down	[11:38]
chetty:	aaand up	[12:00]
danielpbarron:	down	[12:37]
chetty:	looks like people are taking the results of a craft before it is actually finished, I am working on fix but slowing down would help keep it up until I solve it	[12:40]
chetty:	and up	[12:41]
chetty:	I wont be much available for restarts for a bit here, be nice :)	[13:03]
danielpbarron:	down	[17:43]
diana_coman:	hello	[17:45]
diana_coman:	does anyone want to buy slithy toves?	[17:45]
danielpbarron:	i do	[17:45]
mircea_popescu:	just as soon as a raft of issues is plugged, this allows people to push it further opening up new holes. this promises to be a while eh.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman sure, what you charge for 100 ?	[17:46]
diana_coman:	oh ok, then I'll log into the game in a moment	[17:46]
diana_coman:	well, since I don't actually have a source for them, I'd start at 11k per	[17:47]
danielpbarron:	i'll take what you will part with	[17:47]
mircea_popescu:	ill do 1,1mn for 100.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu:	back up	[17:48]
danielpbarron:	are there 100 available??	[17:48]
diana_coman:	yeah, lol	[17:48]
danielpbarron:	i would also buy 100 for 1.1 million	[17:49]
diana_coman:	I'll be back on and into the game in 10 minutes	[17:49]
diana_coman:	and I'm back	[17:58]
diana_coman:	well mircea_popescu and danielpbarron then I guess it is auction time: who gives more for the slithy toves?	[17:58]
diana_coman:	I might add that I have a large stash atm but no reliable source found as they were received as payment for the bot, lol	[18:00]
diana_coman:	in the interest of transparency	[18:00]
danielpbarron:	so only 100 for sale?	[18:00]
diana_coman:	I will sale more later	[18:01]
danielpbarron:	if that is the case i am ok with paying a little more per tove and only getting a few	[18:01]
danielpbarron:	i would really like to get my hands on a new samovar crafted by mp	[18:01]
diana_coman:	did you get the gung-ho gumbo skill?	[18:01]
danielpbarron:	no, just preparing	[18:01]
diana_coman:	and yeah, samovars are clearly sorely needed, lol	[18:02]
danielpbarron:	well if there are so many toves now, then it is beetles that are sorely needed	[18:02]
diana_coman:	yes, of course	[18:02]
danielpbarron:	and i don't recall for what, but crumbly rock is also still missing	[18:02]
diana_coman:	but since it is only you knowing at least a clue for the beetles	[18:03]
danielpbarron:	was it disgusting goop?	[18:03]
diana_coman:	that is almost entirely up to you	[18:03]
diana_coman:	yes	[18:03]
diana_coman:	yes @ crumbly rock	[18:03]
danielpbarron:	i still have enough goop for a while, but man o man if that runs out..	[18:03]
diana_coman:	needed for disgusting goop	[18:03]
diana_coman:	yep	[18:03]
danielpbarron:	whole world grinds to halt	[18:03]
diana_coman:	precisely	[18:03]
danielpbarron:	some of my goop got dissapeared this morning too :/	[18:03]
diana_coman:	well, I had some high q oil disappearing due to glitches some time ago, so what can I say: I know your pain, lol	[18:04]
diana_coman:	meet me in game for the st?	[18:04]
diana_coman:	I'm in the village	[18:04]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu coming for the 100 st?	[18:05]
mod6:	how did you find the ST?	[18:26]
mod6:	or were they an award?	[18:27]
diana_coman:	an award for the bot	[18:29]
diana_coman:	not found any mod6 unfortunately	[18:29]
diana_coman:	that's why I was saying that I don't have a source for them	[18:29]
mod6:	ah	[18:29]
diana_coman:	chetty I keep getting now "you start to explore" without any results reported afterwards	[19:41]
diana_coman:	no exp either, but not even "you were not successful" or whatever	[19:41]
danielpbarron:	it happens like that when multiple people are /exploring at the same time	[19:53]
danielpbarron:	i think when you both would hit simultaneously, only one gets it	[19:53]
danielpbarron:	it doesn't wear the tool for the player who didn't get it	[19:53]
mircea_popescu:	saddest fucking story ever. so i got together 6 functionibng chetty sticks using danielpbarron 's rebalancing trick	[22:43]
mircea_popescu:	and i go to get flotsam, because we need all those shavings.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu:	1st hit -> small.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu:	2nd hit -> small.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu:	total take like 60 flotsam, which is hardly worth 12k. just the thread to get it was like 14 * 420 = 6k or so, and obviously the BASE VALUE of two chetty stick hits is like 20k, so whatever, i'm 50k or 90\% in the hole by now.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu:	3rd hit, ordinary. and that ordinary wants… 8 dungbeetle, 3 wooly mushroom.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu:	i moved on.	[22:45]
mod6:	yeah some days are like that.	[22:59]
mircea_popescu:	btw mod6 you ever ran into magical dungbeetle ?	[23:01]
mod6:	no, not yet.	[23:01]
mod6:	im anxious to get back to playing. but i've been keeping my head down for a bit here.	[23:01]
mod6:	i think i've got 2 horded.	[23:02]
mod6:	and like a pacadimea<sp> nut	[23:02]
mod6:	and a Wm	[23:02]
mod6:	ive actually got a bunch of stuff to sell you lol.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu:	o hey.	[23:02]
mod6:	but, i figured you probably didn't need it all right now anyway — 'specially after the 2million<#?> SR find.	[23:03]
mod6:	you want 'em quick?	[23:03]
mod6:	i'll meet you.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu:	kinda out in noiwhere atm , digging up stuff with the sticks	[23:05]
mircea_popescu:	but later sure.	[23:05]
mod6:	ah, ok. i'll be around for a bit, just ping me in here. i'll stay in-game tho	[23:08]
mircea_popescu:	kk	[23:09]

danielpbarron:	crashed	[00:33]
danielpbarron:	chetty, you around?	[00:34]
alt072:	about the gfx problems, didn't have much time on fixing that yesterday	[02:51]
alt072:	but laptop is generally slow anyway, not just with the game	[02:51]
alt072:	so I'm working on setting up another machine before trying again	[02:52]
danielpbarron:	alternatively, there is a quick fix that might get your framerate up on your laptop	[02:52]
alt072:	the h12_linux thing you said?	[02:52]
alt072:	is it just me, or has trilema been down a lot lately?	[02:53]
danielpbarron:	alt072, http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-07-21.log.html#t16:30:27	[02:53]
lobbesbot:	#Eulora log for Tuesday, 2015-07-21 (at logs.minigame.bz)	[02:53]
danielpbarron:	i haven't noticed trilema being down	[02:53]
danielpbarron:	i know qntra was getting ddos'd recently	[02:54]
alt072:	thanks, i'll bookmark that one	[02:54]
alt072:	has been for me since at least yesterday	[02:54]
chetty:	morning	[05:27]
diana_coman:	morning chetty	[05:28]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu I can't seem to be able to access trilema at all	[05:28]
diana_coman:	yesterday it was the same	[05:28]
diana_coman:	so I can't see the shop nor the post about the event today (I suppose that's what it is about)	[05:29]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman yeah you seem to be trying exactly when whatever random derp's trying to ddos it.	[05:30]
diana_coman:	ahaha, my usual luck at work	[05:31]
mircea_popescu:	heck, mod6 was complimenting me on it yest.	[05:32]
diana_coman:	on the ddos? lol	[05:33]
mircea_popescu:	on the artiucles you can't read.	[05:33]
diana_coman:	yeah, well…can't read -> can't compliment :p	[05:34]
mircea_popescu:	incidentally, this along with everything else is just adding to that old pile of "accessibility's always a bad idea".	[05:34]
mircea_popescu:	someone came up with the bright fucking idea of "teach all kids to read and write", as a result we got dickens and austen.	[05:34]
mircea_popescu:	someone came up with the bright fucking idea of "oh everyone has a right to internet", as a result we got ddos and the shitpile that is "web".	[05:34]
mircea_popescu:	someone came up with the bright fucking idea of "oh everyone should have a computer", here comes windows.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu:	bad fucking ideas, all of them.	[05:35]
jurov:	yeah, since someone came with the bright fucking idea to crawl out of the oceans, everything went to shit	[05:56]
mircea_popescu:	mno.	[05:57]
mircea_popescu:	that part was fine	[05:57]
mircea_popescu:	not stomping on the face of the other fish "because humanity" however resulted in a lot of marshland.	[05:57]
jurov:	easy for you to say, you had the means to resist the stomping since 3 if i read your correctly	[06:00]
mircea_popescu:	yes, im sure it wouldn't be fair.	[06:00]
jurov:	maybe even came out of the womb fully formed, i dunno	[06:01]
mircea_popescu:	unfortunately, the alternative is no better.	[06:01]
mircea_popescu:	i'm trading no long tail for any sort of short tail guarantees.	[06:01]
diana_coman:	I guess the debate is whether you can really get only lush plains and perky mountains without any marshland basically	[06:01]
mircea_popescu:	this is the typical "we want all your revenue past 1mn in exchange for 100 a day"	[06:01]
mircea_popescu:	no deal.	[06:01]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman no, because the bar does not scale up.	[06:01]
jurov:	[citation needed]	[06:02]
mircea_popescu:	hm ?	[06:02]
diana_coman:	is eulora server up?	[06:03]
mircea_popescu:	looks	[06:03]
mircea_popescu:	heh didja kill it ?	[06:03]
diana_coman:	only by trying to connect to it maybe :)))	[06:04]
mircea_popescu:	well i guess my crafting must have killed it then.	[06:04]
mircea_popescu:	back up	[06:04]
diana_coman:	ok, thanks	[06:04]
mircea_popescu:	this brings into active status two changes : shavings are now tinkering not mcguyver	[06:04]
mircea_popescu:	and cheap rings lapidary not tinker	[06:05]
diana_coman:	ugh	[06:05]
diana_coman:	why?	[06:05]
diana_coman:	btw, need anything mcguyvered?	[06:05]
jurov:	i myself was often sick child, then almost deaf, people doubted i could manage the usual elementary school	[06:06]
jurov:	obviously was a bad idea to teach me read and write etc.	[06:06]
mircea_popescu:	bah. there goes a sharp slag ;/	[06:07]
mircea_popescu:	jurov how's sick to do with what's discussed herew ?	[06:07]
jurov:	how else do you determine?	[06:07]
mircea_popescu:	it was a bad idea to teach random "pr expert" / "web designer" / what have you to read and write, in all likelyhood.	[06:08]
jurov:	due to all of tht, i was considered retarded, by many then	[06:08]
mircea_popescu:	jurov you determine exactly like we determine in ba.	[06:08]
jurov:	post-hoc, i see?	[06:08]
mircea_popescu:	yeah well, don't saddle me with the inept selection processes of the inhabitants of retardworld.	[06:08]
mircea_popescu:	"good software could never exist because the companies writing bad softwarew would never hire the people to do it!!" wtf is htis.	[06:09]
mircea_popescu:	if random derps weren't taught to read and write just because drawing breath, random derps wouldn't be there to opine whether you were or not retarded	[06:09]
mircea_popescu:	much to your benefit.	[06:09]
jurov:	that's completely useless argument	[06:10]
mircea_popescu:	useless it may be.	[06:10]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman they were mcguyver before mostly by mistake. they don't belong there in any case.	[06:11]
diana_coman:	mod6 now I found AE on the starting beach, at 98 33 379	[06:11]
mircea_popescu:	oh speaking of that map, mod6 : i was completely unab le to find any SB anywhere on that grassy knoll. i found some in the sandy valley connecting it to the mainland, but the entire grassy area was off limits for me.	[06:11]
diana_coman:	ok, mircea_popescu still after wpl? anything else? have any tools and/or toolkits? need any mcguyvering done?	[06:11]
mircea_popescu:	maybe someone withg better skill can investigate wtf is thewre.	[06:11]
diana_coman:	I did find SB there, so that is ok	[06:11]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman lemme paste to you the content of that shop page one secx	[06:12]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman you found sb on the grass ?	[06:12]
diana_coman:	maybe you either got the wrong grassy knoll or the wrong moment	[06:12]
diana_coman:	yes	[06:12]
mircea_popescu:	no.fucking.way.	[06:12]
mircea_popescu:	20 tries i did, none hit.	[06:12]
diana_coman:	lol	[06:12]
diana_coman:	weird	[06:12]
diana_coman:	I'll go there again now then and have a look	[06:12]
mircea_popescu:	http://dpaste.com/312XETD < relevant shop section	[06:14]
lobbesbot:	dpaste: 312XETD (at dpaste.com)	[06:14]
diana_coman:	uhm, so how does it work, is it an auction ? I make an offer and then…wait ?	[06:16]
mircea_popescu:	if you pay the price yo ugot it. if not, leave an offer.	[06:16]
mircea_popescu:	ie, "x or best offer"	[06:17]
diana_coman:	oh, I see	[06:17]
mircea_popescu:	kinda how this sort of context works out irl.	[06:17]
diana_coman:	ok, will take 2 toolkit bundles at that price	[06:18]
mircea_popescu:	(yes, /me has been having a lot of fun thinking about and trying to transform the mechanisms of irl finance into eulora as is. this "what would X mean in Y" thing being one of the most dearly loved games of the anthropologist)	[06:18]
mircea_popescu:	there's only 1.	[06:18]
diana_coman:	loool	[06:18]
diana_coman:	ok then	[06:18]
diana_coman:	and an offer for all sticks at 500k each	[06:19]
mircea_popescu:	alrighty. moving in game	[06:19]
mircea_popescu:	you in town ?	[06:19]
diana_coman:	ugh, I was going to check the sb, but will head back	[06:19]
mircea_popescu:	lemme know if you actually find sb on that grass.	[06:37]
diana_coman:	I certainly did yesterday	[06:51]
mircea_popescu:	nuts.	[06:52]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu I can confirm: I still get sb there	[08:09]
mircea_popescu:	nuts. wtf.	[08:10]
diana_coman:	do you have any coords where you tried?	[08:10]
diana_coman:	interesting: there seems to be a small blind spot now, maybe you really hit exactly that?	[08:13]
mircea_popescu:	i covered most of the peninsula, really. did 20 tries.	[08:23]
mircea_popescu:	maybe it was out when i hit it or who the fuck knows	[08:23]
danielpbarron:	mircea_popescu, i'll buy the solid branches, coarse frangible thread, slag, leaky treebark flasks, the chetty sticks	[08:27]
danielpbarron:	and i got stuff to sell	[08:27]
mircea_popescu:	diana already got the chetty sticks	[08:27]
mircea_popescu:	she paid 500k per, tho i was selling the package for 750k total o.O	[08:27]
mircea_popescu:	couldn't resist.	[08:27]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron what are you selling?	[08:28]
mircea_popescu:	anyway danielpbarron seee me in game, you get the rest.	[08:28]
danielpbarron:	k	[08:28]
danielpbarron:	diana_coman, stuff for mp	[08:29]
danielpbarron:	shaped slag	[08:29]
danielpbarron:	used tools	[08:29]
diana_coman:	oh, ok	[08:29]
diana_coman:	anything new from the altar?	[08:29]
diana_coman:	ah, and mircea_popescu as the map says, there is sg afterwards on that peninsula at the end – the sg might be a bit more elusive	[08:38]
diana_coman:	ha ha: I got a small ennumeration which however was nowhere to be seen (possibly due to full inventory, but it did not even flow into the hand at all)	[08:48]
diana_coman:	still, I was able to "find" it by asking it directly to equip it	[08:48]
danielpbarron:	yes there are other hidden inventory slots i'm pretty sure	[08:53]
danielpbarron:	i'm not sure the hand-overflow is considered part of the inventory	[08:54]
danielpbarron:	i recall not being able to put stuff directly from it to storage	[08:54]
danielpbarron:	had to first click them out of the hand and into a real spot	[08:54]
chetty:	well we try not to have you actually lose stuff …now where it goes is a mystery :P	[08:58]
diana_coman:	hmmm, the bot seems to be a bit too quick asking the server for stuff from storage, not sure what to do about it	[09:17]
chetty:	When is the event on?	[10:05]
diana_coman:	it's a psGuiStorageMessage to retrieve some items and I noticed that this can happen manually too really	[10:13]
diana_coman:	like if you click too fast	[10:13]
diana_coman:	the client does not update quickly enough	[10:13]
diana_coman:	and you get messages "storage does not have…"	[10:13]
diana_coman:	tbh it's a semi-issue only in the sense that well, if one has just one pile of each ingredient in storage, then the bot just takes what it needs and everything is fine	[10:14]
diana_coman:	the trouble is when you have say 3 piles with 1, 2 and 3 items and the bot needs 6 items	[10:14]
diana_coman:	it will ask first for 1 from the first pile, then immediately next for 2 from the second pile and then 3 from the third pile	[10:14]
diana_coman:	and it seems to get the "storage does not have…" thing	[10:15]
diana_coman:	hmmm	[10:15]
diana_coman:	I might leave it like this for now	[10:15]
chetty:	well moving stuff in and out of storage requires some table locking so …	[10:15]
diana_coman:	yes, I get it, that's why I said that for the time being it might just be this way and that's it	[10:16]
chetty:	any improvements on my end would risk creating items that arent there	[10:17]
diana_coman:	I can think of some workarounds for this, but I don't think they are worth the trouble right now	[10:18]
diana_coman:	will see later maybe	[10:19]
diana_coman:	I guess I'll just force it to reset and try again basically, even though this means it will keep trying if it truly is out of ingredients, hmmm	[10:59]
chetty:	3 stikes and you are out?	[11:01]
diana_coman:	I guess that would be the only option reall	[11:04]
diana_coman:	really	[11:04]
diana_coman:	yet another flag, ugh	[11:05]
diana_coman:	ha, how nicely it stopped when the container was too worn to be useful…	[11:06]
chetty:	oh, now thats cool	[11:09]
diana_coman:	chetty, is there any kind of message sent when target is randomly lost?	[11:18]
diana_coman:	apparently this target loss still happens and I can't catch it if nothing is sent really	[11:18]
diana_coman:	:(	[11:18]
diana_coman:	I re-target after combining, just to make sure	[11:19]
diana_coman:	but if it just loses target while crafting (hence, after the bundle) there is no way for the bot to even know it :(	[11:19]
diana_coman:	it's as if really the only reliable way is to ignore the messages and just rely on timing instead, a kind of macro-in-code kind of thing	[11:19]
chetty:	well asking for a negative is kinda bad. you could maybe pickup if it has somehow changed target, but just losing it is a non-action	[11:39]
diana_coman:	yeah, I know, but it's really nothing I can do	[11:43]
mircea_popescu:	target is a client side thing tho neh ?	[11:43]
diana_coman:	I mean: how can I know that it just lost target	[11:43]
mircea_popescu:	not like server tells you what your target is	[11:43]
diana_coman:	uhm	[11:44]
diana_coman:	thing is: given that I have no idea how/why it loses target randomly when crafting	[11:46]
diana_coman:	I don't really see how can I address that	[11:47]
diana_coman:	I guess I could intercept useraction messages that supposedly are sent when targeting	[11:47]
diana_coman:	but that would work only when the target is lost because of targeting something else	[11:47]
diana_coman:	which I don't think truly is the case	[11:47]
diana_coman:	at least not all the time	[11:47]
mircea_popescu:	i don't think anyone knows wtf all that client does	[11:49]
diana_coman:	I guess I can try to lock the target	[11:49]
diana_coman:	hoping it actually works…	[11:50]
mircea_popescu:	but does it have a class or anything that tells you what the target is ?	[11:50]
diana_coman:	well, it does a lot of bullshit for sure	[11:50]
diana_coman:	there is a method that supposedly returns the target, yes	[11:50]
diana_coman:	but what? am I going to poll it ?	[11:50]
diana_coman:	it's like this: I target, I "use" the target	[11:51]
diana_coman:	so the crafting starts	[11:51]
diana_coman:	and then I just wait until a message comes that it's done	[11:51]
diana_coman:	now if while I wait the target is mysteriously lost	[11:51]
diana_coman:	how the hell can I know?	[11:51]
diana_coman:	will try this locking thing, maybe it works	[11:51]
chetty:	same problem the server has … but it only asks when it needs to do a calculation based on it	[11:51]
diana_coman:	that's the only solution I can see so far	[11:51]
chetty:	<< has been toying with idea of freezing players while they are crafting	[11:52]
diana_coman:	apparently this locking thing is used ONLY when you talk to an npc, lol	[11:53]
diana_coman:	I think it was working in the sense that I could not get away without pressing "bye"	[11:53]
diana_coman:	so hopefully that will do it once and for all	[11:53]
mircea_popescu:	nb.	[11:53]
diana_coman:	ugh, so target locked, but still lost	[12:16]
diana_coman:	wonderful	[12:16]
diana_coman:	as best as I can tell, the issues have to do with switching tabs really	[12:21]
diana_coman:	but I have no idea what to do about it really	[12:21]
diana_coman:	can anyone tell me briefly what's this evening's event about? I can't seem to get any luck to read that post on trilema, lol	[12:34]
diana_coman:	jurov, mod6?	[12:35]
jurov:	i only remember that anone can ask a question	[12:36]
diana_coman:	for like, receiving… information? O.O	[12:36]
chetty:	yes, as I recall it was 1 question from the Oracle	[12:40]
jurov:	don't remember any conditions.. only that it's one q and offer is involved	[12:40]
diana_coman:	what are the coordinates where I'll find magical dungbeetles if I dig?	[12:41]
chetty:	hahaha, why not ask for slithy toves ?	[12:42]
diana_coman:	I should get those if the bot is fine	[12:42]
diana_coman:	so well, switching on to next thing, lol	[12:42]
chetty:	I am not very confident realy answeres will be forth coming, there was also a long hack of 'The Raven' …the one that keeps saying, Nevermore	[12:43]
diana_coman:	yeah, that's why I asked this question, as I seriously doubt getting any actually useful information, lol	[12:43]
chetty:	wonderful poem really, but not exactly happy	[12:44]
diana_coman:	well, I know the original version and I quite like it, happy or not	[12:44]
diana_coman:	since I can't seem to be able to access and read mp's version…	[12:46]
diana_coman:	I can't even guess, lol	[12:46]
chetty:	it wasnt bad, I enjoyed it	[12:52]
thestringpuller:	chetty: PwrSrg should be emailing you the stats you need on your models today/tomorrow.	[13:14]
danielpbarron:	diana_coman> can anyone tell me briefly what's this evening's event about? << anyone can turn in one of my sacrifice tokens in exchange for asking a question	[13:39]
danielpbarron:	and i have a bunch of tokens	[13:39]
danielpbarron:	for sale i guess, if the price is right	[13:39]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[13:48]
diana_coman:	thanks danielpbarron	[14:21]
danielpbarron:	http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/tinker.txt	[16:36]
mod6:	< diana_coman> mod6 now I found AE on the starting beach, at 98 33 379 << ah ok.	[16:56]
mod6:	< mircea_popescu> oh speaking of that map, mod6 : i was completely unab le to find any SB anywhere on that grassy knoll. i found some in the sandy valley connecting it to the mainland, but the entire grassy area was off limits for me. << huh, this is interesting.	[16:56]
diana_coman:	mod6 I think mp's problem was one of timing really	[16:57]
diana_coman:	like a few moments ago I could barely find ANY flotsam	[16:57]
mod6:	hmm	[16:57]
diana_coman:	where it usually is, lol	[16:57]
diana_coman:	and I insisted there, it's still flotsam I ended up with	[16:57]
diana_coman:	not something else unfortunately	[16:57]
diana_coman:	trilema is up, lol	[17:12]
diana_coman:	or at least I caught it up for once	[17:12]
jurov:	mod6: mark elusive snails at 214,38	[17:12]
mod6:	ok thanks	[17:12]
jurov:	lotta of them	[17:13]
danielpbarron:	crashed	[17:39]
diana_coman:	I was wondering whether it was just my connection again	[17:39]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron how much do you sell the tokens for?	[17:39]
chetty:	up	[17:40]
diana_coman:	mod6 I found wwb in the sands further inland from where one starts, at -43 41 225	[18:11]
mod6:	ok thanks diana_coman	[19:03]
mod6:	:]	[19:03]
diana_coman:	np :)	[19:04]
mod6:	Hey All!	[19:28]
diana_coman:	hello mod6	[19:28]
mod6:	Sunday's Oracle event is starting up !	[19:28]
diana_coman:	oh	[19:28]
mod6:	Meet us in "town" to ask a question to the wise and powerful oracle.	[19:28]
diana_coman:	and get a clever and mocking answer in return	[19:29]
mod6:	Daniel P. Barron has the tokens of sacrifice if he's still willing to trade/sell 'em.	[19:29]
diana_coman:	he said 1mil per when I asked	[19:29]
mod6:	1M?	[19:29]
danielpbarron:	ya	[19:30]
diana_coman:	mod6?	[20:33]
lobbesbot:	New post: http://trilema.com/category/smg/feed/ The previous event, the next event, the forever event. <http://trilema.com/2015/the-previous-event-the-next-event-the-forever-event/>	[22:33]

danielpbarron:	mircea_popescu, wanna trade?	[00:03]
mircea_popescu:	yeah ok brt.	[00:11]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron	[00:11]
lobbesbot:	New post: http://trilema.com/category/smg/feed/ Oracle Sunday on Eulora <http://trilema.com/2015/oracle-sunday-on-eulora/>	[02:01]
danielpbarron:	http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Main_Page	[02:16]
lobbesbot:	Title: TheKolWiki (at kol.coldfront.net)	[02:16]
danielpbarron:	crashed	[02:17]
danielpbarron:	http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Set_an_Open_Course_for_the_Virgin_Booty_(Map)#Notes << one of the more difficult secrets that kol spaders cracked	[02:18]
danielpbarron:	the whole el vibrato storyline really, and the reason it's even called "El Vibrato" is because that was the name of the first player to figure it out	[02:19]
danielpbarron:	so also similar to Eulora in that way	[02:19]
danielpbarron:	unfortunately for kol, the in-game currency is basically fiat	[02:20]
mircea_popescu:	and btw danielpbarron i meant what i sai dbout the leather. i do need like 5-10k	[02:23]
mircea_popescu:	i plan to basically level my tool by making cws, and then make chetty sticks.	[02:23]
danielpbarron:	yep i'm focusing most of my exploring on leather	[02:25]
danielpbarron:	and juffin is helping	[02:25]
mircea_popescu:	coolness.	[02:26]
mircea_popescu:	diana is bound to deliver her bot soon – we're testing monday. that'll make it rain ST, and so we'll have samovars – boil those skins into wine	[02:26]
mircea_popescu:	and one of your problems is thereby solved.	[02:27]
danielpbarron:	well now that is a very interesting trilema article	[02:28]
mircea_popescu:	i thought you'd like it	[02:28]
danielpbarron:	so if someone were to ask for the exactly worded name of a blueprint that is worth more than 33 million ?	[02:30]
mircea_popescu:	who's to know ?	[02:31]
danielpbarron:	i recall there being a blueprint for sale at the NPC that cost about that much	[02:31]
danielpbarron:	can't remember the exact name	[02:31]
mircea_popescu:	aha	[02:31]
mircea_popescu:	"The absence of content beyond any longitude equal to 200 is due to the map being laid out using a visualization tool that only extended to 200, rather than to 242."	[02:32]
mircea_popescu:	lolk	[02:32]
mircea_popescu:	i wonder if i can get this guy to advertise eulora.	[02:32]
danielpbarron:	yeah it's pretty derpy	[02:32]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron how old is this thing, like a decade ?	[02:51]
mircea_popescu:	http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=623203&oldid=1	[02:51]
lobbesbot:	Title: Difference between revisions of "Main Page" – TheKolWiki (at kol.coldfront.net)	[02:51]
mircea_popescu:	jus about	[02:51]
mircea_popescu:	"When she is finding you in her records, the first letter of the first name on her list will be the same as the first letter of your name, and the first two letters of the second name will be the same as the first two letters of your name. So if your name is Drexel, the other names would be Daarvis and Drabworski, even if this would put the names out of alphabetical order."	[03:11]
mircea_popescu:	heh it is not possible for this process to put the names out of alphabetical order.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron leather ? :D	[06:39]
diana_coman:	hello	[07:36]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu do you have any toolkits for sale?	[07:36]
mircea_popescu:	no because im tryting to level my toolmaking to get those sticks out already.	[07:36]
mircea_popescu:	in which spirit, you got any leather for sale ?	[07:36]
diana_coman:	no, I just got back in	[07:37]
mircea_popescu:	well, consider digging some for me!	[07:37]
diana_coman:	hmmm, if I get to mine, I will	[07:38]
diana_coman:	though today I'll probably not get too much time for that	[07:38]
mircea_popescu:	kk	[07:38]
diana_coman:	just wanted to start the bot now as I'll be afk	[07:38]
diana_coman:	is trilema down, mircea_popescu?	[08:36]
diana_coman:	mod6, I found some more TPT which is not marked on the map: on map4, upper left part close to AE where there is now one TPT marked, I found some more close to the sand on the other side of the green if that makes any sense	[08:46]
mircea_popescu:	ello bmr	[09:41]
mircea_popescu:	it's a mmorpg.	[09:41]
mircea_popescu:	did you get it to where it actually says you gotta contact me ?	[09:42]
mircea_popescu:	suppose you talk to me here hm ?	[09:42]
Bmr:	Ok sure	[09:43]
Bmr:	so where do I begin :)	[09:43]
mircea_popescu:	well, you hafta register with assbot, which requires a pgp key. you got that ?	[09:43]
Bmr:	Nop, never really gotten into it	[09:44]
Bmr:	should I?	[09:45]
mircea_popescu:	alrighty. what platform did you manage to get eulora going on ?	[09:45]
Bmr:	Running on Windows currently	[09:45]
mircea_popescu:	o hey. jurov's binaries or did you compile ?	[09:45]
Bmr:	binaries	[09:45]
mircea_popescu:	alrighty.	[09:45]
mircea_popescu:	so you'll need something which does pgp on windows. iirc there was a kleopatra something or the other	[09:45]
Bmr:	yeah I had the software installed but not on the current laptop	[09:46]
mircea_popescu:	once you get a key, you register it with assbot as explained here : http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets	[09:46]
Bmr:	gonna check	[09:46]
lobbesbot:	Title: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] (at wiki.bitcoin-assets.com)	[09:46]
mircea_popescu:	and once you done that, i'll rate you and you get an account and some noobie items to get oyu started.	[09:46]
Bmr:	hehe okay, just wanted to discover what this is all about, but it seems I need to do a lot more	[09:47]
mircea_popescu:	Bmr http://www.gpg4win.org/ << that seems the best package.	[09:47]
lobbesbot:	Title: Gpg4win – Secure email and file encryption with GnuPG for Windows (at www.gpg4win.org)	[09:47]
Bmr:	ok thanks, I'll get back to you after setting the other stuff up	[09:48]
mircea_popescu:	aite.	[09:49]
alt072:	!register 745612A81804669F5E9A1A1849AFD4A8BA98B547	[10:34]
mircea_popescu:	heya alt072	[10:59]
mircea_popescu:	you gotta say that in pm to assbot	[10:59]
alt072:	Yeah already did that ;)	[10:59]
mircea_popescu:	ok did it give you a string to decrypt ?	[10:59]
alt072:	It only gave me a registration successful	[11:00]
mircea_popescu:	yay	[11:00]
alt072:	decryption is only for voice request right?	[11:00]
mircea_popescu:	also ypour eulora acct pw	[11:01]
mircea_popescu:	in a sec.	[11:01]
danielpbarron:	jurov, you selling copper?	[13:11]
danielpbarron:	whisper me in game when you get the chance, i'll come to town	[13:18]
jurov:	danielpbarron: yes	[13:21]
mod6:	< diana_coman> mod6, I found some more TPT which is not marked on the map: << awesome yeah. its all over up there. I'll work on filling that stuff in. Thanks!	[14:58]
danielpbarron:	alt072, have a character yet?	[16:09]
mircea_popescu:	yeah i traded with him. but gfx problems	[17:22]
mircea_popescu:	http://trilema.com/2015/oracle-sunday-on-eulora/ << to remind erryone.	[17:39]
lobbesbot:	Title: Oracle Sunday on Eulora on Trilema – A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com)	[17:39]
jurov:	what gfx problems? hardware?	[17:45]
mircea_popescu:	well he was getting 1 fps	[17:55]
mircea_popescu:	prolly bad driver i guess	[17:55]
jurov:	tried renaming psclient to hl2_linux? :D	[17:56]
jurov:	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-csgo-workaround&num=1	[17:57]
lobbesbot:	How To Make Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Run Much Faster On AMD Catalyst For Linux – Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com)	[17:57]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[17:57]
mircea_popescu:	http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ << danielpbarron diana and whoever else might be interested.	[19:47]
lobbesbot:	Eulora Shop on Trilema – A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com)	[19:47]
mircea_popescu:	grep for "special packages"	[19:47]
mod6:	mircea_popescu: I like your stratigic changes to The Raven. Well done, Sir!	[19:55]
mircea_popescu:	ehehe	[19:55]
mircea_popescu:	i'm a hack, what can i say.	[19:55]
mod6:	nice use of "Succubi" also :]	[19:56]
mod6:	wd.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[19:56]
mod6:	i don't even think it's quite the hack as so much a gentle-massage of the message. comes through nicely.	[19:57]

chetty:	morning	[04:20]
diana_coman:	morning chetty	[05:24]
diana_coman:	and crash? lol	[05:26]
diana_coman:	I was trying to build a claim I got earlier this morning	[05:26]
diana_coman:	tiny	[05:26]
chetty:	up, well a lot fewer crashes lately, let me see if I can figure what cause this one	[05:27]
chetty:	hmm well that was a new one (crash reason) something it didnt like about your 'recipe'	[05:29]
diana_coman:	hmm, weird	[05:31]
diana_coman:	I just put on the brain a load of tiny recipes I got from a mining run	[05:31]
diana_coman:	and then randomly built some of the tiny claims with them	[05:31]
diana_coman:	it was all right a bit earlier	[05:31]
chetty:	yeah I dunno, should have been ok, this looks like a gremlin, have to wait until I see something like it again .. or not	[05:32]
chetty:	were you using any sort of bot?	[05:37]
diana_coman:	no	[05:37]
diana_coman:	I mean: this was all manual action	[05:38]
diana_coman:	the bot was registered and listening to messages, but that was all	[05:38]
chetty:	ok, just adding to notes in case this pops up again :)	[05:38]
diana_coman:	thinking back to it: I might have hit a claim that was being sweeped or something maybe?	[05:53]
chetty:	its possible, but it really looked like the instructions were the problem, not the claim	[05:54]
chetty:	Could not find account for login your@email.here ??	[07:11]
diana_coman:	??	[07:20]
diana_coman:	what's that?	[07:20]
chetty:	someone tried to log in, was curious	[07:21]
diana_coman:	hi mircea_popescu any tools and esp bandar toolkit for sale?	[07:25]
mircea_popescu:	i got a few improved pickaxes, want a coupla ?	[07:26]
diana_coman:	yes	[07:26]
diana_coman:	any basic cruddy hoes?	[07:26]
mircea_popescu:	just some basic adzes	[07:26]
diana_coman:	so that at least I can make a bandar toolkit if you have none	[07:27]
diana_coman:	this morning I mined flotsam better bare handed apparently, lol	[07:27]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[07:27]
mircea_popescu:	well, get me some mushroom i can make either tool or toolkit.	[07:27]
mircea_popescu:	take the adze wear them down that'll also help.	[07:28]
diana_coman:	sure	[07:28]
mircea_popescu:	esp if you wea them down getting 6 mushroom, that way i'll be able to make 3 toolkits iirc.	[07:28]
diana_coman:	oh, I have a few shrooms	[07:28]
diana_coman:	there were no shrooms today	[07:28]
diana_coman:	have to wait, lol	[07:28]
mircea_popescu:	ok gimme a moment here apparently ever moar ddosing.	[07:28]
diana_coman:	ok	[07:29]
mircea_popescu:	ill be in game in ~20 mins	[07:29]
diana_coman:	ok	[07:29]
diana_coman:	well, turns out I'll have to go anyway in about 10 mins so will leave it for the evening I guess	[07:40]
mircea_popescu:	kk	[07:46]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu I'm back, so whenever you can, I have a few mushrooms and I want to buy a bandar toolkit and some tools	[10:56]
mod6:	im not positive here.. .but im pretty sure that 9 tiny SR claims just vanished	[12:07]
mod6:	i mined three rows of claims, and then all of a sudden, there are only 2.	[12:08]
mod6:	well, i didn't lock the claims either, and i probably mined them an hour ago	[12:09]
mod6:	maybe a bit more	[12:09]
mod6:	if they were harvested, i still had the keys, they wern't turned into LBoN	[12:10]
diana_coman:	mod6 do the keys still show the location if you right click on them?	[12:11]
diana_coman:	as they might have turned actually even if they still look like keys	[12:11]
mod6:	eh, i dunno any more. i dumped 'em.	[12:11]
mod6:	and i had like 30+ to sort through, so would have been hard to tell.	[12:11]
mod6:	you wanna mine an ordinary SR i just found?	[12:14]
mod6:	doesn't have to be now, just whenever you've got time/have the stuff	[12:14]
danielpbarron:	lol	[12:14]
danielpbarron:	(no)	[12:14]
diana_coman:	I think it needs slithy tove	[12:14]
diana_coman:	otherwise yes, I want to, sure	[12:15]
mod6:	danielpbarron: huh?	[12:15]
danielpbarron:	the slithy tove thing	[12:15]
danielpbarron:	ordinary claims require a slithy tove and as far as i can tell i have the only one	[12:16]
diana_coman:	not all them, but the SR ones I think do	[12:16]
danielpbarron:	oh really?	[12:16]
diana_coman:	yes, the recipe is different for each item	[12:16]
diana_coman:	and some don't require slithy tove	[12:16]
danielpbarron:	but all tiny and small claims are the same right?	[12:16]
diana_coman:	yes, but only tiny and small	[12:17]
danielpbarron:	aha	[12:17]
diana_coman:	anything beyond that has a specific recipe for each item	[12:17]
danielpbarron:	if shiny rock doesn't need tove then i'll buy it	[12:17]
mod6:	it does, and 6 Wms	[12:19]
mod6:	jeeze, smalls today have paid out no more than 9 SRs per mine	[12:21]
mod6:	ups and downs in the mining game tho	[12:21]
diana_coman:	btw mod6 I'll buy that claim if you prefer, anyway	[13:16]
danielpbarron:	http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/shop.txt	[13:19]
diana_coman:	uhm, a shop that only buys stuff?	[13:19]
diana_coman:	and maybe give some idea as to what you pay for the stuff you buy, anyway?	[13:20]
diana_coman:	anyway, in case anyone is interested, I updated my shop this morning too: http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/foxystore.html	[13:20]
diana_coman:	I guess I'll specialise for now in gungho-gumbo, lol	[13:21]
danielpbarron:	heh, i pay whatever you say	[13:21]
diana_coman:	trade me when ready	[13:23]
danielpbarron:	crash!	[13:47]
mircea_popescu:	aaand i fuckt it	[13:50]
mircea_popescu:	back	[13:50]
diana_coman:	uhm… congrats? :))	[13:50]
mod6:	thx mp	[13:51]
mircea_popescu:	im pretty good at finding novel ways so far. almost jurovian levels over here :D	[13:51]
diana_coman:	ha ha	[13:51]
mod6:	i wanna build a store too, but before i do, i gotta find a way to pull whatevers in my storage and dump to some sort of structured data	[13:53]
diana_coman:	btw mircea_popescu my sm sells at the merchant for 215, so you might want to update the pricing for that too	[13:53]
diana_coman:	mod6 I will be able to do that very soon	[13:54]
diana_coman:	I am looking into the storage thing right now	[13:54]
mod6:	sweeeeet	[13:54]
diana_coman:	and I think I got to some extent how it works	[13:54]
diana_coman:	just let me know what do you have in mind/would need?	[13:54]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman nah, thing is, i really have no use for over q 100 sm. because well… it does nothing for me.	[13:54]
diana_coman:	(I'm looking into it for the crafting bot so that it can take stuff from storage, but well, once I get it, I surely intend to use it)	[13:54]
diana_coman:	oh, ok mircea_popescu, no worries	[13:55]
mod6:	really it'd just be great to have a /dumpstorage /path/to/output.txt or something	[13:55]
diana_coman:	the items things and stuff are sent in xml format from the server	[13:55]
mod6:	then it can just dump CSV rows or JSON, or XML even would be fine.	[13:55]
mod6:	well, nevermind the XML, worst case scenario i guess :]	[13:55]
diana_coman:	so it's not that hard to dump the xml really	[13:55]
diana_coman:	ha ha	[13:55]
danielpbarron:	i wish the withdraw from storage screen showed quality	[13:55]
diana_coman:	hmmm	[13:56]
mod6:	ok xml i can deal with too.	[13:56]
mod6:	lol, i'll just post raw xml so customers' eyes can bleed	[13:56]
diana_coman:	ahhahaha	[13:56]
mod6:	j/k!	[13:57]
diana_coman:	do you want to make the shop directly linked to storage you mean?	[13:57]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman i mean, if recipe needs say 3 A and 1 B, and i make q 180 result. then obviously i want as and bs to craft with. and it makes no difference what q they are to me, because if they are not over 180 im not getting bps regardless. now, obviopusly it's irrational to then demand q 1 because nobody has it.	[13:57]
mod6:	eh, na, i don't need that really. i was just thinking it's hard for me to remember what I hvae available for sale.	[13:58]
mircea_popescu:	but also, the 30\% cost increase from q 100 to q 130 is not justifiable, i just end up making less 22269$	[13:58]
mod6:	and if there was an easy way to get the list of my items in storage, i could update a site or something.	[13:58]
mod6:	then i'll sell by hand.	[13:58]
mircea_popescu:	mod6 alternatively you can just dump it in my trade window and ill price&pay	[13:58]
mod6:	i could do that too :]	[13:58]
mircea_popescu:	Mircescu's Famous Price&Pay Inlet	[13:58]
mircea_popescu:	you know, the opposite of an outlet.	[13:59]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron?	[13:59]
mod6:	feels bad selling mp 60 qual RRs	[13:59]
mircea_popescu:	why ? i love them.	[13:59]
diana_coman:	ha ha mod6, don't feel bad	[13:59]
mod6:	haha, alrighty then.	[13:59]
mod6:	i'll hvae to unload some stuff in like a week.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu:	low q is good. high-ish q is bad, for me.	[14:00]
mod6:	really?	[14:00]
mircea_popescu:	i was jus' sayin this	[14:00]
mod6:	ah.	[14:00]
diana_coman:	so far I end up selling what I said I wanted to buy, lol, but well, since it's needed, apparently will go and get more	[14:00]
mircea_popescu:	i see you're overbidding me on mushrooms o.O	[14:00]
mircea_popescu:	WHAT SORT OF SOCIALISM ARE WE BUILDING HERE!	[14:00]
mircea_popescu:	i mean toves not mushrooms	[14:00]
diana_coman:	it's interesting really that mp is basically a good store for beginner miners really	[14:01]
mircea_popescu:	BUT SAME IDEA!	[14:01]
diana_coman:	and I got the tove :P	[14:01]
diana_coman:	there	[14:01]
diana_coman:	:)))	[14:01]
diana_coman:	will come to you to make the samovar though	[14:01]
mircea_popescu:	yeah, turns out noob crafter – expert crafter make excellent teams, and also noob miners – higher crafter.	[14:01]
mircea_popescu:	and also high miner noob crafter	[14:01]
mircea_popescu:	i guess the idea is high-low	[14:02]
diana_coman:	yeah, either stink at it entirely, or be excellent :))	[14:02]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman you realise that given a population of players, merely finding the optimal pairing of them is actually pn	[14:03]
mod6:	109 SR small claim. wewt	[14:03]
diana_coman:	yeah	[14:03]
mircea_popescu:	haha wd.	[14:03]
diana_coman:	well done mod6	[14:03]
mod6:	making me back on par since the other 6 i mined gave me ~9 ea.	[14:04]
danielpbarron:	i'm gonna have 84q improbable oil (11) in however long that takes to craft	[14:04]
mircea_popescu:	great i buy!	[14:04]
mod6:	3 in a row?	[14:04]
mircea_popescu:	dude you keep getting that…	[14:04]
mod6:	dat's like a yatzee	[14:04]
mircea_popescu:	you know how rare it is ?	[14:04]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman check out this heretic. 3 smalls i na row ? i got that like… once. in easily > 5k claims	[14:05]
mod6:	that one gave me 21	[14:05]
diana_coman:	:)))	[14:05]
diana_coman:	he had trouble earlier so well	[14:05]
mircea_popescu:	course i DID get 2 grass remarkables	[14:05]
mircea_popescu:	which i can't fucking dig up	[14:05]
mod6:	the inputs for that are lofty	[14:05]
diana_coman:	ha ha, I didn't get even an ordinary in AGES	[14:05]
mircea_popescu:	mod6 i could almost do it if a certain woman would be spending more time in the kitchen making us samovar sandwiches!	[14:06]
diana_coman:	:))))	[14:06]
mod6:	hahah	[14:06]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman i think ordinary is only for skill-getting players	[14:06]
mircea_popescu:	which don't include you.	[14:06]
diana_coman:	what even IS skill-getting players, lol	[14:07]
mircea_popescu:	you know, the select few who get skills.	[14:07]
mircea_popescu:	i was all happy you knwo, ignoring the green text and enjoying mining	[14:07]
diana_coman:	:))))	[14:07]
mircea_popescu:	then she got me to look and now im painfully aware im not getting skills.	[14:07]
diana_coman:	ahahaha	[14:07]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, the annoyance of this has decided me : the lich will definitely have a "skill xp sucking ability".	[14:08]
diana_coman:	:)))	[14:08]
diana_coman:	mod6's request got me thinking of a command along the lines /dump storage/inventory/recipe hmmm	[14:22]
diana_coman:	as it would need a separate thing anyway to send and wait for a few messages	[14:22]
diana_coman:	but it's certainly doable	[14:22]
diana_coman:	but well, who needs that, gotta make that samovar shiny or smth :D	[14:23]
mod6:	:]	[14:23]
chetty:	I need to take server down for a couple minutes to install patches if no one objects	[14:48]
mod6:	eh. ok.	[14:49]
mod6:	actually, im good.	[14:49]
mod6:	it'll only nuke my tiny claims	[14:49]
chetty:	well it will reset the hour or so you have to work them	[14:50]
mod6:	ok np :]	[14:55]
chetty:	back up	[15:01]
chetty:	yup I need to rever part of that patch, 3 or 4 minutes folks	[15:10]
diana_coman:	uhm, did it just crash?	[15:10]
diana_coman:	ah, ok	[15:11]
diana_coman:	btw danielpbarron, I had more berries but lower quality (90 I think), did not know you wanted those too	[15:11]
diana_coman:	do you want them or just the high q ones?	[15:12]
danielpbarron:	i guess i want 'em all	[15:12]
danielpbarron:	i'm already crafting way too high quality tokens to have any hope of overcrafting	[15:12]
danielpbarron:	not sure how to get more recipes	[15:12]
diana_coman:	hmmm	[15:12]
diana_coman:	not sure if they cross with any other line	[15:13]
danielpbarron:	you need them to make wine, no?	[15:13]
diana_coman:	oh, don't worry about that	[15:13]
danielpbarron:	i just traded for some wineskins if you want those	[15:13]
diana_coman:	I get more recipes as I got the first ones anyway	[15:13]
chetty:	back, and I'll be back with a patch of the patch, in a while	[15:13]
diana_coman:	did you buy the wineskins you mean?	[15:13]
diana_coman:	do you need them?	[15:14]
mod6:	ok	[15:14]
mod6:	thx chetty	[15:14]
diana_coman:	thanks chetty	[15:14]
danielpbarron:	idk mp offered them to me so i took em	[15:14]
danielpbarron:	if only to just pass them along to you at same price	[15:14]
diana_coman:	oh, sure	[15:14]
diana_coman:	trade me when ready	[15:15]
diana_coman:	I'll take the wineskins and will give you some berries	[15:15]
diana_coman:	oh, down	[15:16]
chetty:	oi once more ..	[15:16]
mod6:	ok	[15:16]
chetty:	up, hopefully	[15:18]
diana_coman:	oops, I took something from storage	[15:20]
chetty:	nah it me, I screwed something … working on it	[15:27]
chetty:	ok, maybe its back where it was before I screwed with it	[15:49]
chetty:	let me know when yu are up for me making another run at fixing this	[16:16]
mircea_popescu:	fire away neh ?	[16:17]
mod6:	go ahead.	[16:18]
mod6:	i mined all my claims	[16:19]
mod6:	good mining today	[16:19]
chetty:	cool, hopefully I wont screw it up this time :)	[16:19]
mod6:	no worries. take your time.	[16:20]
chetty:	well its in, cross your fingers when you log on	[16:20]
mod6:	ok :D	[16:21]
mod6:	back to mining.	[16:23]
mod6:	so far so good	[16:23]
chetty:	you getting xp ok mod6?	[16:24]
mod6:	yeah says so	[16:24]
mod6:	got it every time so far.	[16:24]
mod6:	yeah weather success or !success, gives the message that I got points in gathering	[16:27]
chetty:	so far so good …	[16:27]
mod6:	hey! i got like … 10 out of that tiny or something.	[16:40]
chetty:	nice	[16:40]
mod6:	pr	[16:41]
mod6:	highest i ever had before was 3	[16:41]
danielpbarron:	lol did i do that?	[16:54]
mod6:	something weird happened	[16:54]
mod6:	i dunno	[16:55]
danielpbarron:	crashed right after i logged in	[16:55]
mod6:	my tool wore out, so i removed it from my hand, put it in the worn out pile	[16:55]
mod6:	then put in another. but nothing happened. just disappeared.	[16:55]
mod6:	so looked around, wasn't on the ground. so i put another one in there.	[16:55]
mod6:	same thing.	[16:55]
mod6:	then boom	[16:55]
danielpbarron:	i took some blueprints and ingredients out of storage and placed a crafting table	[16:55]
danielpbarron:	last thing i did was put blueprints in mind and ingredients in table, and boom	[16:55]
chetty:	I think it was MPs bot	[16:57]
chetty:	you prolly moved those tools after the server was already down but the client didnt know it yet	[16:58]
mod6:	yeah, i've seen similar things before with mining and moving items during crash	[16:58]
chetty:	they should be back bwhere they were before the crash	[17:00]
mod6:	ok\	[17:00]
mod6:	yup	[17:02]
danielpbarron:	my client keeps crashing	[17:02]
danielpbarron:	might be unrelated	[17:02]
danielpbarron:	it's happened in the past and went away	[17:02]
danielpbarron:	will keep trying	[17:02]
chetty:	server is happy enough, if you get error report on your crashes send it along	[17:03]
danielpbarron:	it happens when tinkering completes	[17:03]
mod6:	another 100 SR small claim	[17:04]
mod6:	something blew it up	[17:05]
mod6:	all of a sudden i couldn't mine.	[17:05]
mircea_popescu:	on sec	[17:18]
mod6:	np	[17:35]
mircea_popescu:	http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ << updated, if anyone wants the pickaxe :D	[21:29]
mircea_popescu:	oh and also lobbesbot seems on vacation lobbes ? anyway, the news : http://trilema.com/2015/prepare-to-be-insanely-incredibly-very-very-jealous-with-envy/	[21:29]
danielpbarron:	i'll buy, you in town?	[21:32]
hanbot:	…wow!	[21:34]
hanbot:	congrats mircea_popescu	[21:35]
hanbot:	oh and the quality!	[21:36]
phf:	mircea_popescu: i have a wooly mushroom for you, but i accidentally nuked my eulora folder, so i won't be able to sell it, until i produce that mac os x patch. :/	[22:14]
phf:	that's quite an incentive model	[22:15]
mod6:	O_O wow nice find mp	[22:30]

diana_coman:	wow, "you can't store more than 200 stacks in a single category"	[04:26]
mircea_popescu:	aha.	[04:26]
jurov:	diana_coman: it's from storage?	[04:35]
diana_coman:	fwiw the gathering exp is now better, but still patchy at times	[04:35]
diana_coman:	yes, I had apparently 200 different stacks of patterns…	[04:35]
diana_coman:	I stacked them together now and it's ok	[04:36]
diana_coman:	in the worst case I guess I would start using some claim as storage too	[04:36]
jurov:	or pay someone to store them for you :D	[04:37]
diana_coman:	looool	[04:37]
diana_coman:	can you imagine NOT being able to get your stuff because the guy you paid for storage is not online?	[04:38]
diana_coman:	geez	[04:38]
jurov:	imo in future versions of clients everyone will be online all the time, usually running on some crafting script	[04:39]
diana_coman:	well, I can't do that for instance, since I am a lot of time travelling atm (hence, no computer left running)	[04:40]
diana_coman:	and anyway, online but afk is still offline for storage purpose	[04:40]
jurov:	some npc-like behavior will do	[04:41]
jurov:	maybe grundin will have it someday for the copper trading	[04:41]
diana_coman:	yeah, another npc-storage-bot player-programmed, lol	[04:41]
mircea_popescu:	ladies and grundinmen, your attention please!	[04:44]
mircea_popescu:	http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/	[04:45]
diana_coman:	ha ha mp, you know what? my wm sell for more to the merchant	[04:46]
diana_coman:	so maybe some price based on base value for wm too?	[04:46]
mircea_popescu:	more than 1k ?!	[04:48]
diana_coman:	yep, last time I checked I could have sold them for 1089	[04:48]
diana_coman:	will check again as soon as I am back in the village	[04:48]
diana_coman:	right now I'm gathering branches, lol	[04:48]
mircea_popescu:	holy shit you're good o.O	[04:49]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, updated	[04:49]
diana_coman:	against most odds as it were, yeah :))	[04:49]
mircea_popescu:	didn't expect anyone was actually getting them over 100 q	[04:49]
diana_coman:	yes, they are over 100q	[04:49]
mircea_popescu:	wd.	[04:50]
jurov:	interesting. apparently merchant won't buy my shrooms at all	[04:54]
chetty:	morning folks	[04:55]
diana_coman:	interesting approach for pricing crafted precursors	[04:55]
diana_coman:	sounds like a good deal for beginners to actually make and sell those rather than basic harvestables	[04:55]
jurov:	how do i compute the worth of, say, slag of q 100?	[05:00]
jurov:	worth = base value	[05:00]
jurov:	5* + 3* and these are how much?	[05:05]
jurov:	if both are 100 then it's 500+300 total am I correct?	[05:07]
jurov:	mircea_popescu: ^	[05:17]
jurov:	by same calc, base value of Leaky trebark Flask is 4400 not 4070	[05:27]
jurov:	if everything here is worth 100 ('Spicy Moss': 1, 'Shiny Rock': 12, 'Flotsam': 24, 'Rotten Fruit': 3, 'Coarse Frangible Thread': 3, 'Crumbly Rock': 1)	[05:27]
jurov:	also, what is base value for recipe?	[05:29]
jurov:	chetty i'm tinkering only for a hour and still getting gathering points, i hope i don't seal them from anybody	[06:10]
jurov:	*steal	[06:10]
chetty:	well jurov I am still working on this issue	[06:11]
jurov:	thumbs up!	[06:18]
jurov:	and while this happens, I can't finish making clump of slag, stays a bundle, retrying third time…	[06:19]
jurov:	.. and nothing	[06:23]
jurov:	moved it instide the table, it eventually finished	[06:26]
chetty:	I do believe the two things are related ..	[06:29]
mircea_popescu:	jurov well you look at what merchant offers to pay basically	[06:55]
mircea_popescu:	and yes if both are 100 then 5+3 = 800	[06:55]
jurov:	as i wrote, it does not offer	[06:55]
mircea_popescu:	for what, flotsam ?!	[06:55]
mircea_popescu:	storage also shows you qual adjusted base values, when you go to store.	[06:56]
jurov:	flotsam, yes. but not interested in my mushrooms, apparently	[06:56]
jurov:	and storage shows value 773 for q=94 shrooms	[06:57]
jurov:	no idea how was that "adjustment" computed	[06:57]
mircea_popescu:	q94 or q 99 ?	[06:58]
jurov:	94	[06:59]
jurov:	just checked	[06:59]
jurov:	er.. 733 sorry	[06:59]
mircea_popescu:	so then. 733Ã·.94 = 779.787234043	[07:01]
mircea_popescu:	hence 780	[07:01]
mircea_popescu:	and following this logic, slag q 100 would be, 5 flotsam of 100 (88 each) + 3 shiny rock of 100 (79 each) 5 * 88 + 3 * 79 = 677	[07:04]
jurov:	677 is base value or what would merchant show?	[07:06]
mircea_popescu:	these aren't different.	[07:07]
jurov:	and where come the numbers 88 and 79 from?	[07:07]
mircea_popescu:	same process you got the number 780 from	[07:07]
jurov:	thanks. are you busy ingame? i have a hoe bundle	[07:10]
mircea_popescu:	was making a toolkit, but brt.	[07:11]
mircea_popescu:	hey diana_coman a) http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/4.html << lacks a link for LTF and b) wouldn't it be a good idea to name these something other than "4" ?	[07:45]
mircea_popescu:	http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/24.html < also no link	[07:45]
diana_coman:	yes mircea_popescu that was the result of a very sketchy python thing	[07:58]
diana_coman:	I should update it anyway I guess	[07:58]
diana_coman:	I am just not decided whether it's a good idea to keep them like that in html	[07:58]
diana_coman:	any ideas /opinions on the matter are welcome	[07:58]
diana_coman:	atm there are a few glitches resulting in a few missing links indeed	[08:01]
diana_coman:	if it is useful as html, I would now re-write it anyway to use the output from the recipe parser so that I get more in there + probably name the pages based on item initials I guess	[08:03]
chetty:	server reset in 2	[08:05]
chetty:	done	[08:09]
jurov:	"reset" sounds like everyone gets their balances zeroed :D	[08:10]
chetty:	hahah no, just you	[08:11]
jurov:	no coppers for ya anymore!	[08:13]
diana_coman:	ha ha, the bot managed to train automatically on ranking up	[08:59]
diana_coman:	but I am not sure that's really reliable…	[08:59]
chetty:	nice, its a start for sure :)	[09:06]
chetty:	poor mp I told him what file to edit for the language filter but he is still getting filtered, did I forget something? I think it was just one xml file ..	[09:08]
diana_coman:	yes it is just one as far as I know, but I think he has a rather messed up client	[09:12]
diana_coman:	I told him the file too	[09:13]
diana_coman:	as far as I could tell, the client first looks for a chat config file and if that one is not found, it looks in the general config and otherwise takes the default	[09:13]
diana_coman:	but mp said he did not have the folder structure I have…	[09:13]
diana_coman:	so I am not sure what client he has there	[09:13]
diana_coman:	otherwise: I am still struggling to make the bot reliably ask the server for the recipe content :(	[09:14]
diana_coman:	ugh	[09:14]
diana_coman:	it's funny that the right click on a recipe in inventory shows one thing (item description) while right-click on recipe in the brain shows another thing (craft info)	[09:16]
chetty:	well if it always showed the craft info would have to always be there and no item info	[09:18]
chetty:	hmm he certainly has those files, he just has a lot of stuff I deleted from thedelivery client cause its really only needed on the server ..	[09:19]
diana_coman:	hooray, figure out a reliable way to ask the server for recipe content	[10:38]
diana_coman:	given how long it took, I'll probably need another week at least to get anywhere near a release for the bot though	[10:39]
danielpbarron:	diana_coman> wow, "you can't store more than 200 stacks in a single category" << why i started selling all my unstackable bits of nothing to the NPC	[11:13]
diana_coman:	uhm, I was just throwing them away really	[11:13]
diana_coman:	did you get anything for them really?	[11:14]
danielpbarron:	yeah i get 11 copper each	[11:15]
danielpbarron:	shrugs	[11:15]
diana_coman:	not that bad given what they are and what dismal quality really	[11:16]
chetty:	really does mean to try and make those stackable one of these days	[12:18]
danielpbarron:	yeah it's not worth the time it takes, although i'm starting to better understand the concept of "time != money"	[13:27]
danielpbarron:	11 satoshi is 11 satoshi	[13:27]
danielpbarron:	the whole bezzle dollar thing really screws up mentality	[13:28]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu the moss I mine sells for 218 at the merchant	[15:21]
diana_coman:	mod6 I have something for you	[15:22]
diana_coman:	ha ha, can one actually eat a chetty stick?	[15:52]
diana_coman:	as apparently that's what I did, lol	[15:52]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[15:52]
mircea_popescu:	YOU ATE CHETTY ?!	[15:52]
diana_coman:	the stick!	[15:52]
diana_coman:	it's certainly gone, lol	[15:52]
mircea_popescu:	this is getting steamy.	[15:53]
diana_coman:	and presto	[15:53]
diana_coman:	lol	[15:53]
diana_coman:	use chetty's divining stick	[15:53]
mod6:	lol	[15:53]
mircea_popescu:	mmm…	[15:54]
mircea_popescu:	i don't think that denotes eating…	[15:54]
diana_coman:	hmm, maybe it got put somewhere and I just don't see it	[15:55]
diana_coman:	being quite invisible otherwise	[15:55]
diana_coman:	hmmm	[15:55]
mircea_popescu:	soo… everyone ready for the grand auction ?	[15:55]
chetty:	someone is abusing my magic stick?	[16:06]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[16:08]
diana_coman:	ha ha chetty	[17:15]
diana_coman:	in the end I found it	[17:15]
diana_coman:	the invisible stick	[17:15]
diana_coman:	it was indeed equipped in the left hand, but being invisible…	[17:15]
mod6:	ahhh	[18:05]
diana_coman:	so I defo need to finish that bot and get those slithy toves, lol	[18:12]
danielpbarron:	ftr i still have 1 slithy tove	[18:22]
danielpbarron:	maybe we can work out some deal where i get some wine for it	[18:22]
diana_coman:	sure danielpbarron	[18:22]
danielpbarron:	is it easy to figure out how many wines you can make from 1 samovar?	[18:24]
diana_coman:	hmmm, I could estimate and hope that the decay is linear	[18:25]
diana_coman:	certainly more than toothpaste by the looks of it	[18:25]
danielpbarron:	the number isn't so important, but something like.. 50\% of its durability to make wine?	[18:27]
diana_coman:	oh, that can certainly be done, yes	[18:27]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu I still make VERY good wine :D	[18:28]
diana_coman:	I'm just good with wine I guess	[18:28]
danielpbarron:	first lemme get this 1 wine at a sane quality to see how this new skill works	[18:29]
diana_coman:	roughly I'd say around 30 wines out of samovar if I see it right	[18:30]
diana_coman:	assuming it's correct now	[18:30]
diana_coman:	as maybe this is also silly	[18:30]
diana_coman:	well, I'll go and get more berries while mircea_popescu looks at it I guess	[18:30]
danielpbarron:	i have berries	[18:30]
diana_coman:	as otherwise I'll prolly end up with another one at this qual	[18:31]
danielpbarron:	i have q92 x 206	[18:31]
diana_coman:	oh, sounds good	[18:32]
danielpbarron:	aw it restarted	[18:32]
diana_coman:	I had them better quality, but I am running low on them as it needs about 20 per wine	[18:33]
danielpbarron:	i'm trying to figure out how to do price calulation	[18:33]
diana_coman:	go to the merchant	[18:33]
diana_coman:	and just see how much he gives for them	[18:33]
danielpbarron:	how does mp do it without going to merchant?	[18:33]
diana_coman:	that's the base	[18:33]
diana_coman:	well, he MADE the thing	[18:33]
diana_coman:	lol	[18:33]
diana_coman:	so he knows the numbers	[18:33]
mircea_popescu:	i wrote down the stuff on this piece of paper here	[18:33]
danielpbarron:	haha	[18:33]
mircea_popescu:	ok back up, check it.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu:	you do get to keep the first one	[18:35]
danielpbarron:	so is 100 quality the line between "good to craft with for training" and "should sell to someone better" ?	[18:35]
diana_coman:	uhm, I don't think so, no, why?	[18:35]
diana_coman:	it depends on your own level I'd say?	[18:35]
danielpbarron:	where is that line then?	[18:35]
danielpbarron:	oh	[18:35]
diana_coman:	I need those berries danielpbarron	[18:37]
mircea_popescu:	well depends on the buyer's level rly. someone who makes q 30 items could get bps out of a q50 item	[18:37]
mircea_popescu:	i can't get bps no matter what really, too high output q	[18:37]
danielpbarron:	so 24k for berries ok?	[18:38]
danielpbarron:	2061290.92 ~= 24.5k	[18:38]
diana_coman:	ok	[18:38]
danielpbarron:	oh the npc factors in the q?	[18:40]
diana_coman:	yes he does	[18:40]
danielpbarron:	i may have done it wrong then but w/e	[18:40]
diana_coman:	well, as far as I can tell, lol	[18:40]
danielpbarron:	you benefit	[18:40]
danielpbarron:	i just want the wine	[18:40]
diana_coman:	well, you too surely, since it's wine for you :)	[18:40]
diana_coman:	awww, my prev wine is now back to 110	[18:41]
diana_coman:	lol	[18:41]
danielpbarron:	woah i just got a chetty's divining stick recipe!	[18:44]
diana_coman:	yay, well done danielpbarron	[18:45]
diana_coman:	trouble with those is that you REALLY want them high quality	[18:45]
diana_coman:	as otherwise you risk not being able to use them even once	[18:45]
diana_coman:	I suppose	[18:45]
danielpbarron:	i can sell it	[18:45]
danielpbarron:	*will	[18:45]
diana_coman:	so, the wine is now at 111q	[18:46]
danielpbarron:	ready?	[18:46]
diana_coman:	base value 4273	[18:46]
diana_coman:	yes	[18:46]
danielpbarron:	mircea_popescu, is the new skill supposed to show up in the list at the NPC for training?	[19:03]
danielpbarron:	my toolkit is nearly busted already :O	[19:06]
danielpbarron:	on a related note, got 30somethign more metal things	[19:06]
mod6:	booom	[19:14]
mircea_popescu:	yueah coming right back up	[19:14]
mod6:	ah coo	[19:14]

danielpbarron:	crashed	[03:27]
mircea_popescu:	darn	[03:28]
mircea_popescu:	up	[03:30]
jurov:	boom	[05:24]
chetty:	up	[05:34]
jurov:	thx!	[05:35]
jurov:	chetty, it still says server not avail	[05:53]
chetty:	lo crashed again, tell mp to fix his crafting bot	[05:56]
jurov:	crashing bot	[05:57]
chetty:	hahaha yeah	[05:58]
mircea_popescu:	crashfting !	[05:59]
jurov:	server is visibly lagging now	[06:02]
mircea_popescu:	gotta renice apache this is bs	[06:10]
mircea_popescu:	dja know right off how that's done ?	[06:10]
jurov:	me?	[06:13]
jurov:	or which name the process runs under	[06:14]
jurov:	eulora server is behind apache? interesting	[06:15]
chetty:	no, but its on the same box, and the box is having issues	[06:16]
jurov:	oh that, then positive renice obv	[06:16]
mircea_popescu:	mothefucker.	[06:19]
mircea_popescu:	look in /etc/init.d/httpd notice it pulls demon() from /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions	[06:20]
mircea_popescu:	set env variable NICELEVEL=19, restart httpd, notice that	[06:20]
mircea_popescu:	IT DOESNT GIVE A SHIT	[06:20]
mircea_popescu:	im so fucking sick of linux.	[06:20]
mircea_popescu:	jurov it spawns children, that wouldn't do anything.	[06:20]
jurov:	children should inherit nicelevel, unless apache goes out of its way to restore it	[06:21]
mircea_popescu:	eh wth, worth a shot.	[06:21]
mircea_popescu:	seems it took. how's the lag ?	[06:22]
jurov:	i'm going afk, logged off	[06:23]
jurov:	btw if apache maxes out any spinning rust you may have there, then also set ionice. but that one's fickle, depends on exact io patterns	[06:24]
jurov:	laters!	[06:27]
chetty:	server reset in 5	[08:39]
chetty:	done	[08:48]
chetty:	server reset in 5	[10:34]
danielpbarron:	k	[10:34]
chetty:	done	[10:40]
chetty:	oops srry gotta bring it down for a few	[10:56]
diana_coman:	hello	[11:09]
chetty:	hey my first experiment in the exp problem didnt go so well :( server back up and me back to drawing board	[11:39]
danielpbarron:	i hope it's not a glitch, but I woke up to my character having a new skill this morning that I don't recall earning	[11:40]
danielpbarron:	didn't /use an item to get it	[11:40]
danielpbarron:	not only that but I've been able to rank up in it!	[11:41]
danielpbarron:	not sure what it does yet	[11:41]
diana_coman:	wow danielpbarron, what skill is that?	[11:53]
diana_coman:	maybe you just won a prize, lol	[11:53]
danielpbarron:	am i supposed to disclose that kind of info?	[11:54]
diana_coman:	lol, you don't have to disclose anything, of course	[11:55]
danielpbarron:	it's called "sortage"	[11:55]
danielpbarron:	and i'm at rank 9 in it	[11:55]
diana_coman:	never heard of that skill although it sounds like it might be related to being able to stack items separately	[11:56]
diana_coman:	there was some discussion about that long time ago I think	[11:56]
danielpbarron:	if that's the case then i guess i know what i did last night(this morning really) that may have caused me to get this skill	[11:57]
diana_coman:	but I don't have it now at least, so congrats, it certainly is something new	[11:57]
diana_coman:	so congrats :)	[11:57]
danielpbarron:	does that mean i can't auction? :>	[11:58]
danielpbarron:	:<*	[11:58]
diana_coman:	uhm, no, no	[11:58]
danielpbarron:	will have to re-read that trilema post	[11:58]
diana_coman:	even if you get a prize, you can still auction	[11:58]
diana_coman:	I've asked that question, have a look on trilema	[11:58]
chetty:	brief server reset in 5 if no one objects	[12:33]
danielpbarron:	k	[12:33]
diana_coman:	ok	[12:33]
danielpbarron:	i was just about to quit for the restart and my client crashed; i guess that works	[12:37]
chetty:	lol restart is posponed a few …	[12:38]
jurov:	danielpbarron: so you won't disclose your guess what you did?	[12:42]
danielpbarron:	i took some tools in and out of storage that had different qualities and stack different	[12:44]
danielpbarron:	probably not it	[12:44]
danielpbarron:	in one case i accidentally merged two that i meant to keep separate	[12:45]
danielpbarron:	i also spoke to a bunch of NPCs	[12:45]
danielpbarron:	just trying out different words	[12:45]
danielpbarron:	unfortunately I didn't notice the new skill until after sleeping	[12:46]
danielpbarron:	so I do not know which thing I did that may have caused it	[12:46]
danielpbarron:	perhaps it was trigged just by me moving lots of stacks around	[12:47]
danielpbarron:	and grouping stuff in piles ready for crafting	[12:47]
danielpbarron:	like making piles of 3 CFT and 12 IBS	[12:47]
jurov:	some dream fairy gave it to you	[12:50]
danielpbarron:	funny you say that…	[12:50]
danielpbarron:	(i have another skill some of you may not have, one that I know exactly how I got it, and "dream fairy" isn't so far off from how..)	[12:51]
danielpbarron:	I mostly gather, build, and tinker though	[12:53]
danielpbarron:	i don't know how to use anything else yet	[12:53]
danielpbarron:	and i'd like to add to the list of desired resources: branches	[12:54]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron, you can find branches	[12:54]
danielpbarron:	i know	[12:54]
diana_coman:	oh, ok	[12:54]
danielpbarron:	i have found them too	[12:54]
danielpbarron:	but i lost the coords	[12:54]
danielpbarron:	and it's not an easy to remember spot	[12:54]
danielpbarron:	(underwater and near teleport edge)	[12:55]
danielpbarron:	the map has no corners	[12:55]
jurov:	solid branch? i was thinking that's not a problem	[12:55]
diana_coman:	oh, there are some on land too	[12:56]
danielpbarron:	they are needed to make chairs for head and bandar toolkits, and in large quantities too	[12:56]
diana_coman:	yes	[12:56]
danielpbarron:	at least 6 for each toolkit and nearly 60 for each chair	[12:56]
jurov:	on the peninsula at -380,-120	[12:56]
danielpbarron:	is it back up yet?	[12:56]
diana_coman:	yes	[12:57]
jurov:	server is up	[12:57]
diana_coman:	and btw, for anyone who might find it useful: I've pushed on github a small change to the client for a kind of compass/autopilot cmd	[12:57]
diana_coman:	it just turns your character around in the precise direction of the coords you give	[12:58]
diana_coman:	i'm hopeless with the coords in eulora otherwise, lol	[12:58]
danielpbarron:	nice	[12:58]
jurov:	hehe	[12:58]
diana_coman:	and I found that wonderful	[12:59]
jurov:	diana_coman: which github? i see nothing here https://github.com/Chettie/Eulora-client/commits/master	[12:59]
chetty:	oh that change sounds great diana_coman	[12:59]
diana_coman:	uhm, I think I need to make a pull request for it to go there	[12:59]
diana_coman:	it's in my repo	[13:00]
diana_coman:	let me make the pull request	[13:00]
jurov:	you're welcome	[13:00]
jurov:	O.o firefox blocked flash on github.com ? it was even there?	[13:01]
chetty:	flash is everrrrrywhere	[13:01]
diana_coman:	uhm, does it appear now on github, jurov?	[13:02]
diana_coman:	I haven't used github much, so not sure I did the right thing	[13:03]
jurov:	https://github.com/Chettie/Eulora-client/pulls << should be here, isn't	[13:03]
diana_coman:	it is now	[13:04]
diana_coman:	thanks chetty	[13:05]
jurov:	merged ;)	[13:05]
diana_coman:	cool, hope it helps :)	[13:06]
diana_coman:	I found it's best to use it on the way too if it is somewhere far away	[13:06]
diana_coman:	for small adjustments	[13:06]
diana_coman:	but in any case, so far it worked wonders every time :)	[13:06]
chetty:	getting pointed in the right gerneral direction has always been a challenge for me	[13:07]
jurov:	do tell me if i'm insufferable.. just that it would deserve a help entry, too	[13:07]
diana_coman:	lol, ok	[13:08]
diana_coman:	will add it later today	[13:08]
diana_coman:	then again, that xml thing is for anyone to change	[13:08]
diana_coman:	but will add it there and to the wiki later today	[13:08]
chetty:	ok time to try this again, server reset in 5 if no objects	[13:59]
chetty:	done	[14:05]
chetty:	someone left 5 flotsam in the craft table	[14:14]
danielpbarron:	oho I think i know what this "sortage" thing is although it is still just an untested hypothesis: it may have to do with how I had attempted to "cheat" the server by placing a single item of poor quality into a stack of high quality	[14:32]
danielpbarron:	and vice versa	[14:33]
danielpbarron:	trying to find a way to get "free" quality upgrades by creative stacking	[14:33]
danielpbarron:	because from my client's point of view the quality is only ever an integer	[14:33]
danielpbarron:	and rounding appears to occur	[14:33]
danielpbarron:	so it should be possible to scrape up extra quality points by stacking things in the perfect order	[14:33]
jurov:	so…tried to cheat, got a new skill?	[14:33]
danielpbarron:	lol	[14:34]
danielpbarron:	maybe ranking up "sortage" makes the rounding happen in my favor more often	[14:34]
danielpbarron:	usually it never works in my favor	[14:34]
danielpbarron:	if i have a big stack of lesser quality stuff, and i'm crafting at a higher quality, the big stack of poor overwhelms the single high	[14:35]
danielpbarron:	for example when i click the "move to inventory and stack" button on the crafting container	[14:35]
danielpbarron:	at a certain point it will just increment the quantity of the stack and not the quality	[14:35]
danielpbarron:	meaning that i just lost the difference on that one item	[14:36]
diana_coman:	as far as I know it averages them every time, danielpbarron, not sure about the rounding though	[14:37]
danielpbarron:	yes if the averaging leads to a new integer then it changes, but otherwise it stays the same	[14:37]
danielpbarron:	if the difference wasn't great enough	[14:37]
danielpbarron:	and so quality on the newly crafted item is degraded	[14:38]
diana_coman:	yes	[14:38]
danielpbarron:	in that case it is preferable to keep the stacks separate	[14:38]
danielpbarron:	until such a time that the averaging can be used in your favor	[14:39]
danielpbarron:	but this means putting the different stack in storage while you are crafting, because otherwise they will be mixed	[14:39]
danielpbarron:	unless that other "move to inventory" button doesn't merge them	[14:39]
danielpbarron:	to be honest i had never tried clicking it	[14:39]
danielpbarron:	that's probably what it is	[14:40]
diana_coman:	I think it used to merge them due to some issues observed otherwise in the merchant	[14:40]
danielpbarron:	ok the 2nd "move to inventory" button will merge the newly crafted item with the stack if they are equal in quality	[14:41]
danielpbarron:	i just tried	[14:41]
danielpbarron:	i suspect this button will keep it separate if the quality is different	[14:41]
danielpbarron:	ah wait a sec, they weren't the same quality	[14:44]
danielpbarron:	the big stack in my inventory is quality 65 and the newly crafted item is quality 73	[14:45]
danielpbarron:	and the 2nd button merged them anyway	[14:45]
danielpbarron:	so yeah, use storage when crafting	[14:45]
diana_coman:	jurov I've added the help entry for /pilot	[15:01]
diana_coman:	there should be the pull request	[15:01]
diana_coman:	chetty, fwiw re no-exp issue: when I get a claim, I get also that overweight message and that seems to trigger afterwards the no-exp stage; if I do a sit+stand after the overweight (hence, it resets the state), then I get again exp until the next claim…	[15:14]
diana_coman:	I tested the above about 10 times a bit earlier and the behaviour was consistent so far	[15:14]
chetty:	ok, I think I have a fix for that one, but need mp	[15:18]
chetty:	still working on the general exp issue, in fact got another patch need to install here shortly	[15:20]
danielpbarron:	i've been getting exp all day so far	[15:21]
danielpbarron:	i also sometimes get stuck and have to sit/stand to fix	[15:21]
danielpbarron:	press 'z' twice	[15:22]
chetty:	well I have amde a couple changes on the exp issue but I dont think its all fixed yet.	[15:23]
diana_coman:	it's still patchy for me	[15:23]
chetty:	server reset in 5 if no one objects	[15:36]
diana_coman:	just a min to finish some crafting please	[15:36]
diana_coman:	it shouldn't take long	[15:36]
chetty:	ok	[15:37]
diana_coman:	done, thanks	[15:37]
danielpbarron:	ready	[15:39]
chetty:	done	[15:40]
jurov:	soo i made myself a crude resource calculator, put "Multifunctional Samovar" in, and it spat out…	[15:55]
jurov:	{'Boulder': 21, 'Chair for the Head': 120, 'Clump of Dry Grass': 3, 'Rotten Fruit': 30, 'Flotsam': 490, 'Wooly Mushroom': 10, 'Solid Branch': 3, 'Shiny Rock': 270, 'Coarse Frangible Thread': 30, 'Spicy Moss': 40, 'Bandar Toolkit': 120, 'Craft-Table': 91}	[15:55]
jurov:	ignore the tools.. but when do i mine this all?	[15:55]
jurov:	um actually the tool numbers are useful, too if i multiply them by wear	[15:58]
jurov:	maybe next month :( i should have done it while electron was stocked	[16:01]
chetty:	ha well I am still lucky if I can make a bit of thread	[16:10]
diana_coman:	lol at 91 craft table :)))	[16:11]
diana_coman:	I guess you can buy some of the items though, jurov?	[16:12]
jurov:	esp. flotsams are outrageously expensive	[16:12]
diana_coman:	I mean: like bandar toolkits	[16:12]
jurov:	and you know the shrooms situation	[16:12]
diana_coman:	esp as MP is bound to make them much higher quality, hence you would not need 120	[16:12]
jurov:	it's number of uses	[16:13]
diana_coman:	oh	[16:13]
diana_coman:	still, that assumes you do everything yourself as it were	[16:13]
diana_coman:	and yes, the samovar is a monster	[16:13]
jurov:	if the kit wears in 60 uses, i need only two	[16:13]
diana_coman:	I remember it took me about 2 hours even back then when it did not take that long to make stuff	[16:13]
jurov:	of course it needs not to be taken at face value.. but the flotsams and stones are best mined	[16:14]
diana_coman:	btw, now that my craft bot actually reads recipes	[16:14]
diana_coman:	it should be quite straightforward to compile a proper recipe book	[16:15]
diana_coman:	and then a resource calculator maybe	[16:15]
diana_coman:	but atm I am still tinkering with the craft bot so it will be a while still until I get to that :(	[16:15]
jurov:	i'll put the scripts + intermediate data to github but they are very smelly	[16:16]
diana_coman:	well, even my bot is still quite smelly at this point… :(	[16:16]
jurov:	http://www.explo.yt/eulora/stuff.json << so far this for the curious	[16:16]
diana_coman:	looks cool	[16:17]
diana_coman:	quite useful	[16:17]
jurov:	and it's got bugs.. Slithy Tove is missing.	[16:18]
diana_coman:	I wanted to ask whether you have slithy toves, lol	[16:20]
jurov:	unresolved: {'Slithy Tove': 1, 'Crumbly Rock': 10}	[16:21]
jurov:	(for the samovar)	[16:21]
diana_coman:	chetty I found the "bad words filter" shit in the client, mp was asking about it yesterday; not sure whether you want it taken out entirely or just disabled	[16:42]
jurov:	https://github.com/jurov/eulogy	[16:42]
diana_coman:	thanks jurov, will have a look	[16:42]
jurov:	maybe i hid rm -rf somewhere in the hairy regexes ;)	[16:43]
chetty:	I disabled mine, thought I sent the delivery out that way, but perhpas I goofed	[17:02]
chetty:	word filters are dumb,imo	[17:03]
diana_coman:	yeah, they are	[17:04]
diana_coman:	I just set the default as false, but otherwise one can also create the config xml file and set it	[17:05]
diana_coman:	mp certainly had the filter on yesterday, lol	[17:06]
diana_coman:	but I see in the client so much code to basically change "fuck" with "@!@!" lol	[17:09]
diana_coman:	ha ha, from client code: // Hardcoded Resource considered as FIXME	[17:11]
diana_coman:	ha ha chetty, it might be that it's only mircea_popescu with the filter still on, lol	[17:28]
danielpbarron:	does anyone know where i might find deserted crab shell?	[17:35]
mod6:	yeah	[17:36]
jurov:	where?	[17:37]
mod6:	You'll have to buy the Eulora Power! magazine with the maps :P	[17:37]
jurov:	i gave my places for free	[17:38]
mod6:	im probably gonna post the maps up tonight.	[17:38]
mod6:	if i can get it wrapped up.	[17:38]
mod6:	they're pretty close.	[17:38]
mod6:	I shouldn't give these away though.	[17:38]
mod6:	I've spent…	[17:38]
danielpbarron:	what's it worth to ya? the deserted crab shell intel?	[17:39]
danielpbarron:	i had previously found them but i didn't write down coords	[17:39]
mod6:	probably close to 1M ecu creating the map + >1 week of time	[17:39]
danielpbarron:	what is on map?	[17:40]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron around the tent	[17:40]
diana_coman:	right next to it	[17:40]
danielpbarron:	lol	[17:40]
mod6:	everything that i know how to find, which is probably everything that you know how to find minus the DCS	[17:40]
diana_coman:	lady voyna's leanto I mean	[17:40]
mod6:	nevermind then lol.	[17:41]
diana_coman:	awww sorry mod6	[17:41]
danielpbarron:	i'll still pay for a map though	[17:41]
mod6:	its not a big deal. i'll donate the map to the players of the game.	[17:42]
mod6:	requirement is: if you find something new, please tell me so I can make an update.	[17:42]
diana_coman:	certainly mod6, but let me know also if you need any resources or tools as I think you should get something for all the work on the map	[17:43]
jurov:	yes the place is right	[17:44]
mod6:	no worries diana_coman. thanks!	[17:44]
danielpbarron:	my take on that kind of intel at the moment is that i'd rather more people know and harvest the stuff because I want more of it, don't care if i get it myself or buy it from someone else	[17:44]
mod6:	i was thinking about charging 1M ecu per tarball of images.	[17:44]
mod6:	but, i'll just donate it. w/e	[17:46]
mod6:	http://www.mod6.net/eulora/map/	[20:12]
mod6:	there are some holes in there — some are dead spots, some are not. I'll be filling in the spots that I can as I can. Salud!	[20:12]
mircea_popescu:	that's some nice work mod6	[21:21]
mircea_popescu:	and jurov o.O	[21:21]
mircea_popescu:	tell you what, tomorrow after the auction ima give the miner a 100k durability pickaxe an' the crafter a q1000 improbable oil flask.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu:	summer xmas!	[21:22]
mod6:	< mircea_popescu> that's some nice work mod6 << thx mp, hope they help out a bit.	[21:31]

danielpbarron:	i'm stuck in the crater for real this time	[00:59]
danielpbarron:	i logged out	[00:59]
mircea_popescu:	fixing	[00:59]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron done.	[01:01]
danielpbarron:	crashed	[02:17]
mircea_popescu:	back.	[02:18]
mircea_popescu:	bah and again	[02:22]
diana_coman:	mornings	[03:19]
diana_coman:	server crashed, I was just crafting something	[03:48]
mircea_popescu:	back	[03:50]
diana_coman:	thanks	[03:50]
diana_coman:	ugh, iar?	[04:04]
diana_coman:	ce drac?	[04:04]
chetty:	its mp fault, he has contaminated inventory, throw him out	[04:05]
diana_coman:	ha ha chetty	[04:06]
chetty:	next time it crashes I got a quick patch to install to try and pinpoint the toxic item	[04:40]
chetty:	thestringpuller, you ever manage to get those tri numbers?	[14:43]
thestringpuller:	chetty: yea. i took screenshots too. Just haven't been to my home machine in several days lol.	[14:49]
thestringpuller:	lucky I haven't needed my priv keys for anything recently	[14:49]
thestringpuller:	but i'll email you as soon as I get to my home machine. probably will boot it up tonight instead of reading comics.	[14:50]
jurov:	oh yes, such kick. but if ppl want with buying coppers to very last moment, maybe i'll do my own auction >:D	[15:25]
jurov:	*wait with	[15:25]
chetty:	lmao	[15:54]
mircea_popescu:	lmao	[16:02]
mod6:	jurov: i'll be on tonight. (about 4-5 hours)	[16:21]
mod6:	or tomorrow works good	[16:21]
mod6:	needs a refill	[16:22]
jurov:	in about 4-5hrs you mean?	[16:23]
mod6:	if you're still awake. otherwise tomorrow works.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu:	o anyone want threads btw ?	[16:25]
mod6:	im good for now. gonna need axes in a few days though prolly.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu:	ima need more shrooms for that	[16:29]
danielpbarron:	what is the difference between the tools?	[16:40]
danielpbarron:	or is that yet to be spaded?	[16:40]
mircea_popescu:	you don't ask, you tell.	[16:46]
danielpbarron:	from what I can tell, the hoe might cause higher find rates when /exploring for things like berries	[16:51]
danielpbarron:	the help says there is a /harvest command but when I try that, I get an error saying it's invalid, so maybe there is a skill I haven't got yet?	[16:52]
jurov:	"gather thousends of datapoints, then formulate a hypothesis"	[16:52]
jurov:	afaik no one does /harvest yet	[16:52]
mircea_popescu:	someone went to the tree and went /tree	[16:53]
mircea_popescu:	dun knock "no one", buncha unexpectedly creative people involved	[16:53]
jurov:	heh i meant "to get something out of it"	[18:00]
jurov:	chetty no gathering pointws whatsoever, with tool or without, you may look if you want	[18:06]
jurov:	?	[18:09]
jurov:	found some tinies, normally got building points but no gathering	[18:10]
jurov:	only now the gathering points started to trickle in	[18:13]
jurov:	whoa and i'm building with q 93 again? (was demoted to 6x before)	[18:24]
diana_coman:	hello all	[18:34]
diana_coman:	chetty, what message does the server send when it sends over the contents of a recipe?	[18:35]
jurov:	diana_coman: something about "read a book"	[18:40]
diana_coman:	jurov thanks, I wanted to be sure about the mechanism, as I start doubting what I learnt from the client only	[18:41]
diana_coman:	uhm, mircea_popescu I sent a comment on trilema and it ate half of it?	[18:43]
jurov:	lol how doubting? suspicious that server injects code?	[18:43]
diana_coman:	ha ha, it considered it commented out in html, didn't it	[18:43]
diana_coman:	lol	[18:43]
diana_coman:	no, doubting that I understood it correctly	[18:43]
diana_coman:	MSGTYPE_READ_BOOK you mean jurov, I guess	[18:46]
jurov:	yes, was not near src	[18:47]
diana_coman:	it's either that I got that wrong, or I got wrong the other part meaning how I ask the server for it	[18:50]
diana_coman:	hmmm	[18:50]
diana_coman:	yeah, it's not that	[18:54]
diana_coman:	apparently it's MSGTYPE_CRAFT_INFO, jurov	[18:55]
diana_coman:	but thanks anyway as it helped me to get unstuck	[18:56]
mod6:	hi diana_coman!	[19:00]
diana_coman:	hi mod6	[19:00]
mod6:	I've got something for you in-game.	[19:00]
diana_coman:	one sec, I'm coming	[19:00]
diana_coman:	wow mod6 the client crashed when it finished the claim :)))	[19:24]
diana_coman:	mod6 are you anywhere near to the village area so that I give you the SM? I'll be off for the night in 5	[19:30]
mod6:	eh, sorry diana_coman: had to eat quick.	[19:46]
mod6:	don't worry about it, we'll figure it out later. :]	[19:46]
mircea_popescu:	did you put any stuff in there like say < ?	[22:26]
mod6:	crashed. just mined a tiny, was about to stack item	[22:30]
mircea_popescu:	it's back no ?	[22:35]
mod6:	yup thanks!	[22:39]
mircea_popescu:	cool.	[22:41]

danielpbarron:	crashed	[00:04]
mircea_popescu:	yeah	[00:21]
mircea_popescu:	back up now danielpbarron	[00:25]
mircea_popescu:	i wish i knew wtf this is.	[00:25]
danielpbarron:	i think server is down, but it has a ping on the login page	[00:52]
danielpbarron:	was acting funny so I tried to relog	[00:53]
danielpbarron:	won't let me log back in, says "The server is not running or is not reachable."	[00:53]
danielpbarron:	probably keys again. one of the last things I did was put keys in storage	[00:54]
mircea_popescu:	heh.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu:	try now ?	[00:56]
danielpbarron:	now works	[00:56]
mircea_popescu:	it was actually being ddos'd.	[00:56]
diana_coman:	mornings	[01:18]
diana_coman:	ha ha mircea_popescu you crashed the server by running around the craft-table?	[01:23]
hanbot:	ftr at crashtime i was right clicking on heina	[01:24]
mircea_popescu:	omfg stop fucking with the keys	[01:24]
hanbot:	no dirt skatin' around!	[01:24]
hanbot:	i had locked a tiny like 1 min ago but otherwise no key activity…?	[01:24]
diana_coman:	me neither	[01:24]
mircea_popescu:	hm. /me pulls his hair	[01:25]
diana_coman:	unless whatever, the keys had their own activity in my inventory or smth	[01:25]
danielpbarron:	it crashed right as i logged back in after logging out to fix a graphical glitch	[01:25]
hanbot:	keynspiracy	[01:25]
mircea_popescu:	whgen this bug is found ima dedicate an afternoon to slowstomping it	[01:25]
diana_coman:	I also had again that shitty graphical glitch when the character is at an odd angle and it almost jumps rather than walking	[01:25]
mircea_popescu:	anyway server back in 10 mins	[01:26]
hanbot:	ty mircea_popescu	[01:26]
hanbot:	diana_coman i did a real life impersonation of that walk on the street the other day	[01:26]
diana_coman:	fwiw, it seems to have to do with getting out of the right position or something, as first person camera was basically not first person anymore	[01:26]
diana_coman:	ha ha	[01:26]
diana_coman:	hanbot that must be the best bug report ever	[01:26]
hanbot:	:D	[01:27]
mircea_popescu:	up	[01:27]
diana_coman:	wow, I'm back all the way, lol	[01:28]
mircea_popescu:	hot damn…	[01:49]
mircea_popescu:	so i got dc'd just as i was alwamost done with an improved craft	[01:51]
mircea_popescu:	FIFTH FUCKING TIME TODAY	[01:51]
mircea_popescu:	10 minutes –> 1 hour :¹	[17:24]
chetty:	hahaha indeed it does, I gotta find some time to actually play …	[17:25]
diana_coman:	uhm jurov, I think it's not meant to be something mysterious to do really	[17:25]
chetty:	the downside of game dev …	[17:25]
diana_coman:	chetty that's how/why I don't advance much on the bot: I play the game instead :)))	[17:26]
jurov:	so you thik it's mine and craft as usual and you'll eventually get it?	[17:26]
diana_coman:	yes	[17:26]
chetty:	yeah but if dontkeep fixing stuff people will start yelling ..	[17:26]
jurov:	"may be acquired through particularly lucky activity "	[17:26]
diana_coman:	but well, I'm not sure what "as usual" means for you	[17:26]
chetty:	well knowingmp might be just laying around again too	[17:27]
diana_coman:	yes, meaning that you need some luck too, which is anyway how you get good/better than average loot in any case	[17:27]
diana_coman:	ha ha, I seriously doubt it	[17:27]
chetty:	which is exactly why it might happen :P	[17:28]
diana_coman:	the post reads …	[17:28]
diana_coman:	I get what you mean chetty	[17:28]
diana_coman:	it might happen, true	[17:29]
diana_coman:	I just said I seriously doubt it	[17:29]
diana_coman:	that's all :)	[17:29]
chetty:	well maybe I'll take sunday off and play all day :)	[17:29]
diana_coman:	relaxing on an island by the name of eulora – sounds good really :)	[17:31]
danielpbarron:	i like the game a lot better now that things take time	[18:27]
diana_coman:	out of curiosity danielpbarron: what is the longest it took for you so far to do/make something in game?	[18:39]
danielpbarron:	that would have to be… this Demeaning Urabihs Harness I'm wearing right now	[18:45]
danielpbarron:	oh what timing	[18:45]
danielpbarron:	if you factor in the time it took for the parts, it's especially the longest for me	[18:45]
danielpbarron:	but even the final tinker itself I think was at least a minute if not a few	[18:46]
danielpbarron:	the oil also takes a while	[18:46]
danielpbarron:	these are things I have made since actions started taking up time	[18:47]
danielpbarron:	I have probably made more complex things that would now take even longer, but when I made them it happened nearly instantly	[18:47]
danielpbarron:	like the pickaxe	[18:47]
danielpbarron:	or the bandar toolkit	[18:47]
danielpbarron:	I haven't been able to make these things again, since the world got limits	[18:48]
danielpbarron:	it's like ascii's complaint with input devices that have no feedback, like touch screens	[18:48]
danielpbarron:	a world with no constraints such as time	[18:49]
danielpbarron:	everything felt so exhausting even though they were taking less effort	[18:49]
danielpbarron:	now I can do other things while playing — just tab away from game when some action is taking too long	[18:51]
danielpbarron:	my inventory appears to have a secret hidden spot somewhere	[19:18]
danielpbarron:	i have 3 mining techs stacked somewhere	[19:18]
danielpbarron:	thought they got erased because my inventory was full	[19:18]
danielpbarron:	but they are in the list for storing things	[19:19]
mircea_popescu:	jurov twas long ago << ahaha so cute!	[20:27]
mircea_popescu:	jurov i logged in, walked across the map, mined some and find out walking back suspiciously slow << left control switches run/walk by default.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu:	i know it pissed me off too till i figured it out.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu:	http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-07-15.log.html#t19:40:13 << bits have actually been craftable since bouquinism.	[20:40]
mod6:	< mircea_popescu> i know it pissed me off too till i figured it out. << that one didn't bother me as much as the TAB key ;)	[20:42]
mircea_popescu:	what's that do again ?	[20:43]
mod6:	all of a sudden, camera going everywhich way.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron i like the game a lot better now that things take time << me too.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu:	oh oh. yeah. confusing	[20:43]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron my inventory appears to have a secret hidden spot somewhere << your right hand.	[20:44]
danielpbarron:	my right hand had/has a pickaxe in it	[20:45]
mircea_popescu:	if your inventory overflows you get all sorts of items precariously balanced in your right hand	[20:46]
mircea_popescu:	take pickaxe off, there they come.	[20:46]
danielpbarron:	oh	[20:47]
mircea_popescu:	jurov : re kick – people will conceivably want coppers to bid with.	[20:47]
mod6:	needs moar ecu	[21:02]
danielpbarron:	crashed	[22:23]
mircea_popescu:	darn	[22:24]
mircea_popescu:	seems it was my char that did it.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu:	back	[22:25]
mod6:	thyme to mine	[22:27]
mircea_popescu:	hehe	[22:30]

diana_coman:	mornings	[03:23]
diana_coman:	fwiw unstick was working at least some time ago when I needed it	[03:23]
mircea_popescu:	a did it ?	[03:30]
diana_coman:	yes, I got unstuck a couple of times using it	[03:41]
diana_coman:	then again, sometimes it doesn't manage to do it, probably it depends on how far you need to move to get unstuck	[03:42]
mircea_popescu:	makes sense	[03:44]
danielpbarron:	server crashed; I was using the /explore command	[13:56]
jurov:	they don't want you to find teh crumbly rox	[14:00]
mod6:	heheh	[14:01]
chetty:	nah its something in inventory, still trying to figure out what :/	[14:08]
chetty:	back up	[14:08]
chetty:	actually I think that one was a very old key	[14:10]
jurov:	still down?	[15:22]
chetty:	oops no, down again, 1 min	[15:25]
chetty:	up now, still some old bad keys hanging around it seems (chetty ponders taking a scrub brush to the database)	[15:26]
jurov:	just between us, mp had yest a pickaxe in the public craft table. i was able to replace it with worn one despite him standing next to it	[15:34]
jurov:	that's why i was grinning mischievously	[15:34]
jurov:	oh, how comes i have 1369 copper coins? it's no longer converts to 13 brass and 69 coppers?	[15:39]
jurov:	or what's these names	[15:39]
chetty:	hahah on the pickaxe, uh I dunno nothing has been changed about money stuff	[15:41]
danielpbarron:	crashed again	[16:27]
diana_coman:	hello	[16:32]
diana_coman:	is it just me again, or is the server down, chetty?	[16:32]
mod6:	(16:27) < danielpbarron> crashed again	[16:41]
chetty:	up now	[16:45]
chetty:	keys …	[16:45]
chetty:	old keys still hanging around it seems	[16:45]
diana_coman:	oh, no worries	[16:49]
diana_coman:	btw, I noticed that it still seems to sometimes change keys to bits of nothing and sometimes not	[16:49]
diana_coman:	not sure when exactly not, but I certainly had againd in my inventory keys without any claim (no description either) after having cleared up yesterday	[16:50]
chetty:	they still look like keys if you are logged on when they change, but its just the icon	[17:15]
diana_coman:	oh, all right	[17:16]
chetty:	welcome aboard phf	[17:33]
phf:	thanks chetty	[17:33]
chetty:	I know a couple people have tried to build on Ma, not sure how far various people got with it	[17:34]
chetty:	ben_vulpes for sure hit that same issue with ssh	[17:36]
phf:	it's a dodgy process	[17:39]
diana_coman:	chetty, I wonder whether you might consider sending a specific message when work is done (work as in any action that takes some time to accomplish, so be it explore or craft or whatever)	[17:41]
diana_coman:	as with these mixed messages things can get quite funny	[17:42]
diana_coman:	a couple of times I somehow ended up with making 2 slags out of the same ingredients :)))	[17:42]
diana_coman:	not that I REALLY mind that, but well…	[17:42]
chetty:	you want a different one for end of craft and end of mining? the way it is now finish whatever you are doing it sends the same message indicating end of action, reset state to 'normal' instead of some brand of busy	[17:46]
danielpbarron:	crashed	[17:46]
diana_coman:	look how this was going:	[17:47]
chetty:	back up, danielpbarron when mp comes on ask him to check your inventory and get rid of old keys pls	[17:47]
diana_coman:	initially I intercepted the set mode messages	[17:47]
diana_coman:	and grabbed the things from the table when I got the message to get back to peaceful stance/ hence finished	[17:47]
diana_coman:	my understanding was that it was that the message it sends when you finish whatever it is	[17:48]
chetty:	yes thats it	[17:48]
diana_coman:	and it sometimes works fine, but sometimes it doesn't	[17:48]
diana_coman:	what happens	[17:48]
diana_coman:	is that another of those messages	[17:48]
chetty:	its the last step in pretty much all actions	[17:48]
diana_coman:	gets sent when you just finished mixing the things	[17:49]
diana_coman:	so what happened was this:	[17:49]
diana_coman:	put items on table	[17:49]
diana_coman:	started to combine which would normally go all the way to make the item	[17:49]
diana_coman:	got the message when only the bundle was made	[17:49]
diana_coman:	grabbed the bundle	[17:49]
diana_coman:	BUT	[17:49]
chetty:	making the bundle? oh yes, there would be, the bundle and the transform are seperate processes	[17:49]
diana_coman:	the server apparently continued making the thing	[17:49]
diana_coman:	so ended up with the thing AND the bundle	[17:50]
chetty:	lo, thats not so good ..	[17:50]
diana_coman:	yeah, that's why I thought you might want to know about it at least	[17:50]
diana_coman:	it didn't happen all the time for some reason	[17:50]
diana_coman:	it's not entirely deterministic, lol	[17:50]
diana_coman:	I can of course just wait for the 2nd mode message	[17:50]
diana_coman:	but …	[17:51]
chetty:	yeah I will have to fix that, I am sure its timing and you have to hit it just right tho	[17:51]
diana_coman:	that's for sure	[17:52]
diana_coman:	I mean: that it is timing	[17:52]
chetty:	too soon and it will stop cause no bundle, too late and its done ..	[17:52]
chetty:	(well the server is done, maybe hasnt told you yet )	[17:53]
chetty:	I suppose I could lock the busy state on, so no chance to fiddle with things :)	[17:56]
diana_coman:	tbh so far I found it more reliable to use the messages that say you got some skill experience :)))	[17:56]
diana_coman:	as well, you really get those only when you are done crafting the thing	[17:56]
diana_coman:	I am not entirely happy though that it is the best approach	[17:56]
chetty:	interesting, thats not the last step, bu yes you dont get those for the combine part making the bundle	[17:57]
jurov:	foxy has left heaps of keys for tiny claims but i can't find any recipes	[18:37]
jurov:	i have some own.. but about one in 5 is weird, gets gathering(!) points, refuses to make the flotsam until the bit o'nothing is moved	[18:44]
phf:	yeap, building eulora on mac os x is exactly the amount of torture that i thought it was going to be	[21:21]
mircea_popescu:	;/	[21:28]
phf:	ha	[21:49]
phf:	http://glyf.org/screenshots/eulora.png	[21:49]
mircea_popescu:	yay wd!	[21:49]
mircea_popescu:	you got one ?	[21:49]
mircea_popescu:	nice ping too.	[21:50]
phf:	so far it's not an easily reproducible result. half the files were built by calling gcc directly	[21:51]
phf:	mircea_popescu: no, can i have an account?	[21:51]
mircea_popescu:	ah yes, coming right up	[21:51]
mircea_popescu:	phf http://dpaste.com/0V0AJEG	[21:54]
mircea_popescu:	ima hop in game in a minute get you some starter stuff.	[21:55]
phf:	cool	[21:58]
phf:	let's see if it really works first. cs3d test had some visual glitches	[21:59]
mircea_popescu:	aha	[21:59]
phf:	ha, i spoke too soon. can't even type into the account box. something to do with focus	[22:00]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman a couple of times I somehow ended up with making 2 slags out of the same ingredients :))) << can you document how this works ?	[22:17]
phf:	http://glyf.org/screenshots/eulora2.png	[22:22]
mircea_popescu:	lol it's a start.	[22:23]
mircea_popescu:	brt.	[22:23]
phf:	not sure if bug, or intentional graphics style :p	[22:24]
mod6:	lol, i just read the trilema article: An image is worth ten thousand words of sadness.	[22:45]
mod6:	omg. that's incredible. this is lvl1!	[22:45]
mircea_popescu:	lol mod6	[22:58]
mod6:	=]	[23:13]
mircea_popescu:	well, there's a further update afoot. introducing a whole new skill line, and so far > 100 more items.	[23:27]
mod6:	wow! all for L1??	[23:30]
mircea_popescu:	well yes. tier 2 starts once we get fighting. it may happen this year but i dun think so	[23:32]
mircea_popescu:	then there's magic, and land ownership, and and and.	[23:33]
mod6:	:]	[23:33]
mod6:	that's probably just fine anyway, hard to imagine trying to fight people at this stage.	[23:34]
mod6:	gotta do some mining tomorrow!	[23:52]

jurov:	mircea_popescu: you haven't found out?	[03:48]
mircea_popescu:	hm ?	[05:04]
mircea_popescu:	jurov find out wut	[05:06]
diana_coman:	hello	[10:12]
diana_coman:	chetty, what message would the server send when the work on an item (crafting) is done?	[10:18]
chetty:	its a newmode, 1 I think for peace	[10:19]
chetty:	did you see the MPs bot thing?	[10:19]
diana_coman:	yes and it's very cool indeed, but I'd rather code directly the bot anyway	[10:26]
diana_coman:	the crafting part is easier	[10:26]
diana_coman:	the crafting itself is done and working	[10:26]
diana_coman:	I just need to trap the right event when a crafting is finished	[10:26]
diana_coman:	and then ideally I'd need to dump recipes in some file and make the bot just read from there	[10:27]
diana_coman:	if it knows what it needs, then it's just /craft slag 5	[10:27]
diana_coman:	and off it goes	[10:27]
diana_coman:	no need to record actions and make sure you don't move a window so that you don't have to do it all over again	[10:28]
chetty:	wow, sounding very cool indeed, hopefully you will be sharing this at some point?	[10:33]
diana_coman:	of course, as soon as it is fully functional really	[10:34]
diana_coman:	right now the trouble with this is just catching the right event	[10:34]
diana_coman:	and then getting the recipes	[10:34]
diana_coman:	as far as I can tell right now the client gets the recipes only as description	[10:35]
diana_coman:	hence a block of text	[10:35]
diana_coman:	so I'll have to do some parsing I guess	[10:35]
diana_coman:	ugh	[10:35]
chetty:	I have been struggling with putting the tools, like the pickaxe in hand for characters, I ran across a way to set it up in blender at last, but I would have to completely redo the avatars :(	[10:35]
diana_coman:	awww	[10:35]
diana_coman:	sounds like a nightmare	[10:36]
diana_coman:	is that the graphical part?	[10:36]
diana_coman:	I mean: the client has this equip dequip	[10:36]
chetty:	yes, the client really doesnt know much about the recipes, the server looks them up in the database it uses to process, just sends the client text to display	[10:37]
chetty:	yes, the graphics end, so the graphics knows where to attach tme to the character	[10:37]
diana_coman:	I had a bit of trouble figuring out how to find the required items in the inventory and then get them onto the craft-table or whatever it is, but that is solved now (although in a rather hack-the-code way, but ugh, I'm still at the stage of figuring it out at least)	[10:37]
diana_coman:	ugh, I'm afraid I'm of no use for the graphical part :(	[10:38]
chetty:	well all the stuff like names are looked up in the same data so it should all be very consistent what the client gets	[10:38]
diana_coman:	yes, it's just that now the code kind of criss-crosses all around, so much for any reasonable separation and keeping things clear	[10:39]
chetty:	yeah thats an issue on the server too, I am cleaning it up as I go, but …	[10:40]
chetty:	hopefully future client updates we can avoid tripping on each other, I dont plan to update client any more than I can possibly help	[10:41]
diana_coman:	oh, I kept my changes as separated as possible so I think that shouldn't be an issue really	[10:41]
diana_coman:	I mean: I added the command only	[10:41]
diana_coman:	and then all the rest is done in a new class	[10:41]
diana_coman:	so at least it's not getting all over the code as it is	[10:41]
diana_coman:	so it's basically cmdusers.cpp that gets some changes and then just a new class craftbot and that's it	[10:42]
diana_coman:	well, there should also be miningbot, but that is killing me…	[10:42]
diana_coman:	I can't seem to be able to either generate a keyboard event or otherwise make the character move reliably from the code	[10:43]
diana_coman:	I guess it's mainly that I don't really know much about crystal space	[10:43]
diana_coman:	and generating a keyboard event would be from there	[10:44]
diana_coman:	I looked a bit into the event queue	[10:44]
diana_coman:	but I had trouble getting it from the client	[10:44]
diana_coman:	I probably need to dig and study it some more	[10:44]
chetty:	well now you are into areas I have been avoiding too :)	[10:47]
diana_coman:	ha ha, and very wise you were to avoid them, too :)	[10:49]
diana_coman:	ha ha, the bot was so quick that I did not notice the first run ending successfully	[11:43]
mod6:	diana_coman: have you used the scripter yet?	[11:44]
diana_coman:	no, that's too easy for me :)))	[11:45]
mod6:	haha.	[11:45]
diana_coman:	(I saw it and I think it is cool to solve one's trouble quickly, but …I want to solve my troubles once and for all so I am coding the bot to just do /craft slag 1000)	[11:46]
mod6:	ah, ok. let us know how it goes	[11:47]
diana_coman:	will do, I just started it on making 10 slags	[11:49]
diana_coman:	hopefully everything goes fine	[11:49]
diana_coman:	not bad: it ran out of flotsam and nothing horrible happened	[11:53]
mod6:	cool.	[11:55]
diana_coman:	it's still a bit raw /hacked and well, I'd need to either add manually more recipes or do the cookbook part too (getting all recipes and dumping them in some format so that the bot can just read them and follow them)	[11:57]
mod6:	very cool.	[12:00]
mod6:	boom	[12:31]
mod6:	wasn't me this time pretty sure.	[12:31]
mod6:	although, i did just mine a claim and it said that my inventory was full (only had like 1/6th full); then a /sit & /stand seemed to relieve the problem.	[12:31]
chetty:	back up, no I think it was mp crashed it	[12:33]
mod6:	ah, ok np.	[12:34]
mod6:	thanks!	[12:34]
mod6:	not sure what happened there, was putting a mining enum into my brain and it just disappeared…	[12:51]
mod6:	then shortly later, boom	[12:51]
mircea_popescu:	mod6 dun thjink it was you	[12:53]
chetty:	nah its MP for sure, he has a bad item in his inventory	[12:54]
mod6:	ok. just wanna be sure to also report what I'm doing when these happen, jic it was ole mod who blew her top.	[12:54]
chetty:	good reporting is much appreciated	[12:54]
chetty:	and its back up, reboots are quick if I am sitting here :)	[12:55]
mod6:	thanks chetty!	[12:57]
diana_coman:	chetty, I crashed it	[14:12]
diana_coman:	but I was just mining a tiny claim	[14:12]
diana_coman:	manually, nothing fancy	[14:13]
diana_coman:	a three pointed horn	[14:13]
diana_coman:	it started working on it and then it crashed	[14:13]
chetty:	dont think it was you diana_coman , looks like mp has a bad item in his invemtory	[14:14]
chetty:	or did, it looks ok now	[14:15]
mod6:	server seems to be laggin… weird.	[20:58]
mod6:	eh… i dunno. seems a bit better now.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu:	im craftin too much :D	[21:04]
mircea_popescu:	http://trilema.com/2015/ultima-online/#comment-114769 hehe	[21:07]
mod6:	ah, ok i didn't think about ur automated job running. makes sense.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu:	eh im joking, it couldn't possibly have anything to do	[21:13]
mircea_popescu:	80 requests currently being processed, 9 idle workers	[21:14]
mircea_popescu:	WW.GWWWWWWWWWWW.WWW__WGWWW.WWW.W_WW.WWWWWW..WWWWWWWWWW.WWW.WWW.W	[21:14]
mircea_popescu:	.WW..WWW.WW.WW_.W.W_WWW_..WWWWW….W_WRWW.W…_…….W.W…RW..	[21:14]
mircea_popescu:	.._…………………………………………………….	[21:14]
mircea_popescu:	server's just being hammered into the ground	[21:14]
mircea_popescu:	load average: 18.21, 31.26, 25.86	[21:16]
mircea_popescu:	either it's being ddos'd or slashdotted, too soon to know yet	[21:16]
mircea_popescu:	11 Jul 2015 95 271,509 330,922 2390.85 GB << 2.4 TB downloaded yest	[21:17]
mod6:	ooooh	[21:18]
mod6:	wow	[21:18]
mod6:	look at the load	[21:18]
mircea_popescu:	aaaand 10 TB so far today o.O	[21:19]
mod6:	yeah, that's unreal. wth	[21:20]
mircea_popescu:	im fucking impressed the thing's still up tbh	[21:21]
mod6:	yah srsly.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu:	anyway. we apologize for teh lag :)	[21:25]
mircea_popescu:	http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-26-richard-garriotts-shroud-of-the-avatar-whats-the-big-idea << is it just me or does garriott's latest game sound absolutely fucking terrible ?	[21:31]
mircea_popescu:	it's almost as if he's taken all the bad points of zynga shit and trying to make them into an actual gamer.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu:	fucking zombie lord british ffs.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu:	cazalla ahaha saw that petition, but i imagine it must have been long resolved.	[21:43]
cazalla:	nope, i'm still stuck afaik	[21:43]
mircea_popescu:	anywa, dun use that system, it's a curio at best.	[21:43]
mircea_popescu:	brb fixing you one sec	[21:43]
mircea_popescu:	cazalla fixed. sorry about being stuck like that, i had really no idea	[21:47]
mircea_popescu:	bitch next time, it's a half minute fix.	[21:47]
mircea_popescu:	also, bear in mind : eulora works well for casual play. you can actually own the vets playing an hour a day, it's all about … cunning.	[21:48]
cazalla:	i am preddy sure i mentioned it in here, next time i'll spam it, wasn't really that big a deal seeing i won't be logging in every day anyway	[21:50]
mircea_popescu:	mebbe you did an' i missed it, sorry for teh inconvenience in any case	[21:50]
cazalla:	is /unstick functional?	[21:52]
cazalla:	such tools are often useful for porting oneself into areas you cant reach otherwise :P	[21:52]
mircea_popescu:	it's not, afaik.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu:	neway, off to play :D	[21:56]
mod6:	< mircea_popescu> anyway. we apologize for teh lag :) << no worries at all. thought at least it was a good idea to say somthing. as far as I knew could have just been my connection.	[22:51]

chetty:	anyone can be more specific about this no exp issue? I'll see if I can track anything down	[02:37]
jurov:	chetty how more specific. i just /explore and never get any gathering exp	[03:57]
chetty:	never?	[04:10]
chetty:	with tools? what tools? by hand?	[04:10]
chetty:	successful? not successful ..	[04:12]
jurov:	with improved hoe from mircea, regardless if successful	[04:16]
jurov:	with bare hands i do get some practice	[04:16]
jurov:	interesting, now that i use the hoe again, i started getting points with it, too	[04:19]
chetty:	very strange, I really have no clue from this how to track this down…..	[04:55]
jurov:	got disconnected	[05:16]
chetty:	from server? its up, no messages I see	[05:17]
jurov:	ok, prolly just a blip	[05:17]
jurov:	grins mischievously	[16:37]
mircea_popescu:	whatcha do jurov	[23:33]

mircea_popescu:	/msg chanserv flags #eulora +o	[04:14]
mircea_popescu:	o nm.	[04:15]
chetty:	server reset in 5	[09:08]
chetty:	done, server up	[09:15]
mod6:	nice	[09:58]
chetty:	hopefully the overweight issue is fixed and getting more info to see what caused a couple crashes yesterday :)	[10:13]
mod6:	logging helps :]	[10:14]
mod6:	yeah, the few times that I think i crashed it recently, I was mining.	[10:14]
chetty:	yup, its just a matter of what to log, the dtata can be overwhelming	[10:15]
mod6:	and the meter bar didn't come up for some reason. then i might have waited 5-10 seconds then hit it again, then boom.	[10:15]
mod6:	im sure it is a lot of data to look at on the serverside.	[10:15]
chetty:	well last two crashes had something to do with getting the weight of an item, but thats as far as my record shows, so keeping a lot more about that now.	[10:16]
mod6:	ah. yeah crashes im talking about were 2+ days ago	[10:17]
chetty:	ah well those were mostly key related, and should be fixed now	[10:18]
mod6:	ah cool, good deal.	[10:24]
diana_coman:	chetty, if it helps at all, the last time I saw it crashing today I was dropping those bits of nothing that were substituted for keys…	[11:03]
mod6:	oh was that what those crummy ones were for? had a charge of -1? or w/e?	[11:04]
mod6:	saw some in my inv lastnight	[11:05]
chetty:	thanks diana_coman I added a bunch of logging to track what item, I guess I'll see soon	[11:05]
chetty:	yeah keys get turned into lil bits now	[11:05]
chetty:	useful for beginers maybe and easy enough to throw away	[11:05]
mod6:	ok	[11:06]
jurov:	i confirm they can be used for mining	[11:08]
chetty:	did you all see MPs bot description?	[11:16]
mod6:	for irc?	[11:21]
jurov:	i dunno about bot. i was irc plugin, not a bot	[11:22]
mod6:	oh… this: trilema.com/2015/mouse-keyboard-automation-for-linux/	[11:22]
mod6:	neat!	[11:23]
mod6:	im making a pick axe and this will help as im tarpitted hard.	[11:23]
mod6:	bbl.	[11:23]
jurov:	i tried some other proggy for replaying input but it did not work	[11:26]
jurov:	somehow never stumbled on this	[11:26]
chetty:	he left it running and he ran out of supplies, didnt hurt anything	[11:49]
mod6:	cool	[13:11]
mircea_popescu:	it occurs to me mod6 that automatioon won't likely work	[14:07]
mircea_popescu:	because youll prolly get a skill level every click	[14:07]
mircea_popescu:	pity to waste em	[14:07]
mod6:	ahh.	[14:08]
mod6:	the way to automate this stuff i think is still workable. and really handy.	[14:09]
mircea_popescu:	yeh	[14:09]
mircea_popescu:	i think it should be usable for mining, at least somewhat. since it takes keys too	[14:10]
mircea_popescu:	make it do say a spiral pattern, then come back later mine the claims.	[14:10]
mircea_popescu:	maybe not ideal …	[14:10]
mod6:	ahhhh	[14:10]
mod6:	yeah, there's some creativity involved isn't there	[14:11]
mircea_popescu:	well sure.	[14:11]
mircea_popescu:	these are, after all, computers.	[14:11]
mod6:	i like it! :D	[14:15]
mod6:	this is gonna be awesome when spinning threads, making slags, etc.	[14:18]
mod6:	(unless you level up inbetween)	[14:19]
mod6:	but yah. very f'ing cool.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu:	:D	[14:21]
mircea_popescu:	the best part is – now that crafting takes time, a single crafter can't monopolize all the trade.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu:	so even if you are not the absolute best – still a job for you out there, because even working 24/7 top crafter can't spin enouigh thread for ALL the miners.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu:	plus all the other stuff that needs done.	[14:21]
mod6:	yeah, with me strip mining, it was keeping you and Foxy pretty preoccupied. imagine if 5 more were doing like me. this is better.	[14:22]
mod6:	plus, everyone needs to get good at all these jobs.	[14:22]
mod6:	ANNNND I just made my first automated Pointy Clump of Slag, with a proper delay for the timer & stacked!	[14:23]
mircea_popescu:	wd!	[14:23]
mircea_popescu:	thing is, game saves window position	[14:23]
mircea_popescu:	so if you don't fuck with it you're good forever.	[14:23]
mod6:	yup. just gotta leave the windows where they are.	[14:24]
mircea_popescu:	not that it's hard to record a new set or anything. takes 5 seconds	[14:24]
mod6:	im gonna try and talk in there for a sec see if it messes with anything.	[14:24]
mod6:	yeah, the recording part works well.	[14:24]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, atm my guy is making thread – i think ~500 thread / hour is the best he can do.	[14:24]
mircea_popescu:	this means that the most i can turn out in a day, non stop work, would be 12k. which is enough for ~2k small claims	[14:25]
mod6:	that's fantastic	[14:25]
mircea_popescu:	meanwhile a miner working non stop gets about 50-100 of those an hour.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu:	so it can basically… keep up with one miner. will need a diff crafter to keep up with the miner's tool	[14:25]
mircea_popescu:	(obviously, nobody does 24/7, but as an idea)	[14:25]
mod6:	right	[14:26]
jurov:	mircea_popescu: hackedteam files uploaded, see readme there	[14:26]
mod6:	for me, im like getting 6-7:1 tiny:small claims	[14:26]
mircea_popescu:	danke jurov!	[14:26]
mod6:	presumably would converge as i get higher up	[14:26]
mircea_popescu:	mod6 ikr ? and it's what, 10 or so tries a minute, 50 say an hour.	[14:27]
mircea_popescu:	but also your qual is what yet, 70 ?	[14:27]
mod6:	yeah like 71 on the latest stuff i've gotten	[14:27]
mircea_popescu:	moreover, a) threads are used for other things – you need for instance 3/leaky bottle ; b) if there's better tools there'll be more smalls etc.	[14:27]
mircea_popescu:	if you're going to cook you need iirc 733 like 60-70 for the harness	[14:28]
mod6:	yeah, i certainly noticed that in the last day or so. having the improved tools was much > yield than with plain stone pickaxe	[14:29]
mircea_popescu:	later mining also needs a ton because of the trestlework	[14:29]
mircea_popescu:	bashing this here :	[15:21]
mircea_popescu:	<williamdunne> mircea_popescu: I didn't know about #eurola, I'll join	[15:21]
mircea_popescu:	<williamdunne> Ehhh I appear to me on my own in #eurola	[15:21]
mircea_popescu:	<mircea_popescu> also try dylsexia.	[15:21]
mod6:	:D	[15:24]
chetty:	oh is your poor bot playing alone?	[15:28]
mircea_popescu:	possibru	[15:28]
mircea_popescu:	he doesn't mind tho. happily threading threadsa by himself	[15:28]
mircea_popescu:	while humming a song	[15:28]
mircea_popescu:	to himself	[15:28]
mircea_popescu:	lalala	[15:28]
mod6:	haha	[15:29]
mod6:	im working on altering my script so that i get training after every item crafted	[15:30]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[15:30]
mircea_popescu:	you gonna publish this jewel ?	[15:30]
mod6:	it's easy really. just have the windows up. move items in, combine, wait, take & stack, click Stats & skills window (previously opened behind container window), buy training, click back on the container window to bring to forefront. repeat.	[15:32]
chetty:	wow impressive	[15:40]
mircea_popescu:	ayup. powerful tool.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu:	jsut, ends up with a lenghty script	[15:42]
mod6:	yeah	[15:42]
mod6:	i'd say about 30\% of the time since the last update, i'm not getting my bundles converted into items.	[16:57]
mod6:	even when tinkering manually.	[16:57]
mod6:	which kinda hurts, cause even though all you have to do to resolve this is to move the bundle into a different cell, then work continues; but now, you've gotta wait the 3-5 minutes again.	[16:58]
mod6:	(and the meter bar never re-appears after you move it to a new cell)	[16:58]
mod6:	it /looks/ like it's not doing anything, but it is.	[16:59]
chetty:	be sure you have the work item properly targeted before you start	[17:06]
chetty:	(no changes have been maed to that process in a long while)	[17:07]
mod6:	im not sure exactly on that…. here's what I do (in the case of stone pickaxe): pick up goop, place in container, pick up branch place in container, pick up pointy slag, place in container, click combine button, wait for process to complete.	[17:07]
mod6:	most of the time this seems to work out fine. sometimes it doesnt and this was a bug before.	[17:08]
mod6:	but it wasn't as severe because you didn't have to wait a long time to have it build the item from the bundle.	[17:08]
mod6:	is there something in my prcess that i'm issing to "target" the item?	[17:08]
mod6:	well, last two manual builds, didn't see it.	[17:14]
chetty:	the system needs to know which 'container' you are using, depending how you click, and maybe if you tab out of game etc. it can lose that focus, to be safe right click on the conatianer again just before you click combine	[17:14]
mod6:	ooh. ok i'll do that and see if that makes a difference.	[17:15]
mod6:	thx chetty	[17:15]
chetty:	hope it helps, if not I'll go look at code and see if there is anyway to improve that	[17:16]
mod6:	sure, i'll give you an update on this by the end of the weekend.	[17:16]
chetty:	cool	[17:16]
mod6:	4/5 times happened on tiny SR claims	[17:28]
mircea_popescu:	aaaaand… 2 hour grass braiding project begun	[17:52]
mircea_popescu:	mod6 i had this problem sporadically yest, but it magically abated somehow	[17:53]
jurov:	i am wearing down the tool, but no gathering exp	[18:38]
jurov:	same for everyone?	[18:46]
mod6:	it comes and goes like that for me jurov. sometimes it reports giving me exp, other times not.	[20:49]
mod6:	not totally sure if im getting them and it's just unreported, or if im not getting them at all.	[20:50]
mod6:	mircea_popescu: i'll see how it goes over the next few days.	[20:50]

diana_coman:	morning	[03:53]
diana_coman:	chetty, now I have inferior bits of nothing instead of keys to claims that were swiped off, not sure if that's intended	[03:54]
diana_coman:	if it is: the description still says key to…	[03:54]
diana_coman:	uhm, and more strangely, some keys seem to have remained keys but they don't have a description at all anymore	[04:05]
chetty:	morning	[04:53]
chetty:	well so far keys turn into little bits, exactly what happens may vary a little based on if you were logged in or not when it changed	[04:54]
chetty:	the system does not see the results as keys so wont crash looking for its matching lock and these things will stack and or discard easily	[04:56]
chetty:	thestringpuller, any luck on those triangle numbers?	[08:54]
thestringpuller:	chetty: yea. I'll send them when I get home from work I fell asleep at the computer again. Trynna limit that but it keeps happening.	[08:58]
thestringpuller:	i just don't want the mesh to subdivide in some weird way if you're subdividing in the engine for sockets	[08:59]
thestringpuller:	so I wanted to get pwrsrg's opinion while he's not working on ant-man or whatever the fuck movie his studios is working on right now	[08:59]
chetty:	well I have experimented with setting all sorts of random numbers, nothing seems to break it, just looks funny when your axe is hanging on your little finger	[09:00]
thestringpuller:	^- that's the point i guess i was making lol	[09:01]
thestringpuller:	when a hat becomes a hood? (or paper bag?!?)	[09:01]
chetty:	well my experiment has character walking around with a bag balanced on top of head, pretty funny really	[09:02]
chetty:	server reset in 5	[11:14]
chetty:	Server back up	[11:21]
lobbesbot:	New post: http://trilema.com/category/smg/feed/ Eulora News Bulletin of today. <http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-news-bulletin-of-today/>	[12:46]
mircea_popescu:	read it an' weep.	[12:49]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu read it an' weep. <- lol	[16:53]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[16:57]
diana_coman:	I need some claims re-spawn pls	[16:57]
mircea_popescu:	can you actually mine them ?	[16:58]
diana_coman:	yeah, I have the bundles ready, I was just going through the inventory with heina to check if I still have some of the keys by any chance	[16:59]
diana_coman:	will still take about 5 minutes to go through it all I guess	[16:59]
diana_coman:	finished: actually out of 4, I found 3 keys, but will still have to check if the claim is there too, lol	[17:02]
mircea_popescu:	kk ill be in game in liuke an hour or so.	[17:04]
diana_coman:	ok	[17:05]
mircea_popescu:	what are these, ordinaries ?	[17:05]
diana_coman:	yes	[17:05]
diana_coman:	older ones	[17:05]
mircea_popescu:	aite.	[17:05]
diana_coman:	amazing, at least one seems to be there still	[17:06]
diana_coman:	and my navigation-help works, yay	[17:06]
mircea_popescu:	o ?	[17:07]
mircea_popescu:	ss ?	[17:07]
diana_coman:	now let's see whether I finish by the time you get into the game, lol	[17:07]
diana_coman:	I added a short command to point me towards a target point and it works wonders, lol	[17:08]
diana_coman:	the moving part (to make it a proper auto-pilot) is unreliable	[17:08]
diana_coman:	I can't seem to figure out fully the movement system and it is a bit of a mess really	[17:08]
diana_coman:	uhm, now is it blocked or is it working just …veeeery slowly?	[17:09]
diana_coman:	it seems like a background game at best for a lot of things given these timings	[17:10]
mircea_popescu:	what are you digging, an ordinary ?	[17:11]
diana_coman:	yes	[17:11]
diana_coman:	still going veeery slowly	[17:11]
diana_coman:	5 mins and counting, lol	[17:11]
mircea_popescu:	is it halfway done ?	[17:12]
diana_coman:	yes, more than that	[17:12]
mircea_popescu:	sounds about right	[17:13]
diana_coman:	uhm…	[17:13]
diana_coman:	NO items at all?	[17:13]
diana_coman:	ahahah, and crash	[17:14]
diana_coman:	coolness	[17:14]
diana_coman:	so it took 6 minutes and then it crashed the client :)))	[17:16]
diana_coman:	back to running it from gdb I guess…	[17:16]
mircea_popescu:	gotta be some items.	[17:17]
diana_coman:	yeah, it had just crashed, but it took some time to even know it, lol	[17:18]
mircea_popescu:	so did you get anything ?	[17:41]
diana_coman:	yes, 160	[17:45]
diana_coman:	I was really just trying to level up a bit	[17:46]
mircea_popescu:	not bad.	[17:48]
diana_coman:	well, the polished stones claim gave only 28 so….ugh	[17:51]
mircea_popescu:	meh. spawning claims is not actually as trivial as i thought, because caches.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu:	we'll have to wait for chetty to assist with this.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu:	sorry bout that.	[17:56]
diana_coman:	ok	[17:56]
diana_coman:	now it's clearly more worth it to look into the client's code than play the game, anyway	[17:57]
jurov:	instead of waiting, you should make clients mine bitcoins	[17:58]
diana_coman:	ha ha, kind of like that anyway jurov, yes	[17:59]
mircea_popescu:	lol prediction comes true!	[18:00]
diana_coman:	what prediction?	[18:00]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman i somehow doubt you were doing stuff worth millions/day anyway ?	[18:00]
mircea_popescu:	ah, some derps discussing the game decided "it's suspicious"	[18:01]
mircea_popescu:	because hey, why read code when one can sit on ass and opine.	[18:01]
diana_coman:	lol	[18:01]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, once jurov puts irc in there you'll be able to chat	[18:02]
diana_coman:	lol, I'm quite able to chat like this very fine	[18:03]
jurov:	i suspect mp wants not so much to chat, but broadcast his achievements	[18:08]
jurov:	like	[18:09]
jurov:	* mircea_popescu died!	[18:09]
mircea_popescu:	lmao	[18:09]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, going in.	[18:09]
diana_coman:	ha ha jurov	[18:13]
hanbot:	hey jurov, i wanna buy 10 bitcents worth o' coppers, are you equipped?	[18:34]
jurov:	not by 10	[18:40]
jurov:	unless mircea_popescu is around to restock me	[18:41]

mircea_popescu:	o hey!	[00:33]
mircea_popescu:	mod6 yeah srsly all tyhat shoul;d be in the wiki	[00:33]
chetty:	http://192.121.170.137/eulora/2015-07-02.log.html	[02:28]
jurov:	mod6: http://www.explo.yt/eulora/airborne1.jpg , 2,3,4	[06:24]
jurov:	chetty can you put log url to topic, praps?	[06:24]
chetty:	oh yeah good idea, I just have to go lookup how to log into the chan op stuff	[07:48]
diana_coman:	hello	[08:37]
chetty:	hi diana_coman, I thought a bit about the 'block' issue, I think either the server is not sending or the client is not getting the mode setting when the the work action is finished.	[08:55]
chetty:	I am resetting a bunch of the data I log today to try and catch it	[08:56]
diana_coman:	that is possible, perhaps given the shaky connection of yesterday	[08:56]
diana_coman:	maybe it just gets lost on the way	[08:56]
diana_coman:	but why would it consider that the inventory is full?	[08:57]
chetty:	well I am going to log most of those messages to see, should hep with one on encumberance too	[08:58]
diana_coman:	ok	[08:58]
diana_coman:	did you have any time to look for that id for psGUIInteractMessage?	[08:58]
chetty:	to get your clientnum you might want to print out one of the first couple messages you get when log in, like motd or something in detail.	[08:59]
diana_coman:	ah	[09:00]
diana_coman:	it's not something accessible through some getter or the like	[09:01]
diana_coman:	eek	[09:01]
diana_coman:	ok, thanks	[09:01]
diana_coman:	here I got again the inventory issue	[09:02]
diana_coman:	it worked fine until now, so for about …5 minutes? lol	[09:02]
chetty:	ouch, try something like sit and stand, might reset the mode	[09:38]
mod6:	jurov: thanks!	[09:42]
mod6:	diana_coman: did you have some overhead flying shots too?	[09:45]
diana_coman:	yes mod6, they are at the end of http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/06/25/samovars-boulders-business-and-teleportation-all-in-a-few-days-work/	[09:46]
diana_coman:	the top 3 are flying, the bottom ones are more like….being deep down in the ground, lol	[09:46]
mod6:	looks	[09:47]
mod6:	ah ha. great. thanks :]	[09:48]
diana_coman:	yw :)	[09:50]
mod6:	well, i did find some rotten fruit	[11:18]
thestringpuller:	chetty: i'll send screen shots of what I "highlighted" for the counts. dunno if you need a specific number given a specific selection	[11:32]
chetty:	hey grats mod6	[11:38]
chetty:	I need the number	[11:38]
thestringpuller:	chetty: does the selection matter? except just general area of the hands/forehead?	[11:43]
mircea_popescu:	http://192.121.170.137/eulora/2015-07-02.log.html << hey lobbes this looks great. can you use a subdomain on minigame.bz if i forward you the zone ?	[11:56]
lobbes:	mircea_popescu, yeah I will give it a go	[11:59]
mircea_popescu:	aite sending it to that ip ?	[11:59]
lobbes:	yes, that should be fine	[12:00]
mircea_popescu:	aite a sec.	[12:01]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu mod6 had found that slithy tove in storage…	[12:04]
mircea_popescu:	anothger one ?	[12:04]
diana_coman:	no, that one you showed me the other day	[12:05]
diana_coman:	at least the way you said it, I thought he actually mined it, lol	[12:05]
chetty:	well thestringpuller it will serve as the socket so we can attach weapons, make it your best shot, maybe tell me the numbers of the ones around the those picked, so I can move a little if needed	[12:05]
mod6:	haha, no, diana_coman congradulated me on finding the Tove. But i was like "wa?". Anyway, a mis-understanding. The one I sold you I had saved up from like a month ago that I /bought/ from the store.	[12:05]
mircea_popescu:	i dunno how he got it	[12:06]
mircea_popescu:	but if you notice it didn't bear his crafter mark	[12:06]
mircea_popescu:	proll merchant	[12:06]
diana_coman:	yes	[12:06]
diana_coman:	exactly	[12:06]
diana_coman:	merchant	[12:06]
diana_coman:	but I was like: pffft, if he found it, then at least there is no hurry in searching for it anymore, lol	[12:07]
mircea_popescu:	lobbes logs.minigame.bz	[12:12]
mircea_popescu:	"It works! This is the default web page for this server."	[12:12]
lobbes:	lol, hmm	[12:12]
lobbes:	one sec..	[12:12]
lobbes:	can it forward to http://192.121.170.137/eulora/latest.log.html?	[12:13]
lobbes:	or even http://192.121.170.137/eulora/ << would show the 'log index' as opposed to the most recent log	[12:14]
mod6:	do you have a vhost setup for log.minigame.bz lobbes?	[12:22]
diana_coman:	mod6 get your tool, lol	[12:22]
lobbes:	mod6, ah no, I do not think so.	[12:25]
lobbes:	starts looking up vhost documentation	[12:25]
mod6:	err, sorry: logs.minigame.bz	[12:25]
mod6:	;; ANSWER SECTION:	[12:26]
mod6:	logs.minigame.bz. 900 IN A 192.121.170.137	[12:26]
mod6:	are you using apache?	[12:26]
lobbes:	yes	[12:26]
mod6:	ok	[12:26]
mod6:	check out this file: httpd-vhosts.conf	[12:26]
mod6:	probably under something like: /usr/local/etc/apache<VER>/extra/	[12:27]
lobbes:	looks	[12:28]
lobbes:	hmm I am using 'apache2' it would seem. 'find' yielded no httpd-vhosts.conf	[12:31]
lobbes:	but grepping apache2.conf shows something regarding vhosts	[12:31]
mircea_popescu:	lobbes i don't think i can use directories in a dns zonbe	[12:33]
mircea_popescu:	it'lkl break the internets	[12:33]
lobbes:	hmm, kind of a shoddy workaround idea, but I could just make the main index.html forward to the correct directory	[12:36]
lobbes:	since it appeared to work earlier when http://log.minigame.bz/ pointed to http://192.121.170.137/	[12:36]
lobbes:	thanks mod6 :) found it	[12:37]
lobbes:	excuse my n00bness	[12:37]
mod6:	no worries :]	[12:39]
lobbes:	gotta run for a sec. bbs	[12:43]
mircea_popescu:	this is the b-a stelar system, where we learn things!	[12:49]
chetty:	server reset in 5	[15:03]
mod6:	ok thx	[15:03]
lobbes:	excellent, with a little help from mod6 http://logs.minigame.bz is now serving up #eulora logs	[15:08]
chetty:	woohoo thank you all	[15:09]
lobbes:	chetty, old link is borked at the moment, so would you be able to update the title to this new addy? :]	[15:10]
chetty:	will do	[15:10]
chetty:	server back up	[15:11]
mod6:	\o/	[15:12]
chetty:	theory says this update fixed the disappearing claims and the crashes from old keys	[15:13]
jurov:	and made them reappear?	[15:17]
jurov:	looks hopefully	[15:18]
mod6:	is server back up?	[15:18]
chetty:	afraid that one is beyond me, reappearing … yes server is up	[15:18]
jurov:	;)	[15:19]
mod6:	nice	[15:20]
chetty:	I added some logging stuff to try an figure out the overweight and other oddities that seem to have poped up so do say something here if you notice anything like that	[15:22]
mod6:	cool	[15:22]
mod6:	dangit, got warped	[15:22]
chetty:	logged on and died? well done	[15:22]
mod6:	ah, not quite. logged in, walked 3 steps, then warped. im checking out the very edges near the water	[15:23]
jurov:	lmo and i thought i'm original doing that	[15:24]
jurov:	anyway, there was an anonymous flotsam right before me when i logged in	[15:24]
chetty:	ahh, I think I got the land a little too close to the edge in one spot there, but not gonna fix cause there is update coming which will fix it	[15:24]
mod6:	ah	[15:25]
mod6:	cool	[15:25]
jurov:	i thought you already fixed the south side, i was not able to go so far to isles before	[15:25]
jurov:	(with phat flotsams hidden there)	[15:26]
mod6:	oh yeah, so this point near: -403, 31, 399 has the edge wrapped up over the edge of the land.	[15:34]
mod6:	'tis one spot i've hardly explored.	[15:34]
diana_coman:	mod6 if you still need tools, I'm back in	[15:44]
diana_coman:	and I got them	[15:44]
mod6:	ah nice. im a ways from where you are.	[15:47]
mod6:	i'm good for a moment, but yeah, if you wanna meet me, i'll buy.	[15:48]
mod6:	meet me just south of the fountain?	[15:48]
jurov:	mod6 don't buy from her, she will soar with skills and cause your output to deteriorate	[15:49]
mod6:	haha	[15:49]
mod6:	im so low in skill anyway; newbs not effected	[15:50]
jurov:	is an equipment to mine on unmanageable precipitous slopes planned?	[15:57]
diana_coman:	lol jurov it's not the fact that he buys that improves my skills	[15:58]
diana_coman:	I'll make tons of tools anyway, as I need them	[15:59]
diana_coman:	and that's what will improve my skills	[15:59]
diana_coman:	buying the tools will just help him get more from the things he harvests	[15:59]
diana_coman:	but hey	[15:59]
mod6:	and we have some shortages, so the Solid Branch Cargo Cult needs to capitalize	[16:00]
diana_coman:	and yeah, I buy from him what he harvests, as I need them (although I could mine them myself, of course, and even better quality + "not let him increase his mining skill"	[16:00]
jurov:	mod6 at least you mine enough material to make the tool?	[16:09]
jurov:	(if diana makes it)	[16:10]
mod6:	oh yeah. im strip mining this place	[16:10]
mod6:	i think she's using my harvested items anyway…	[16:12]
jurov:	guess whole thing can't really be helped	[16:14]
mod6:	WARP	[16:14]
mod6:	what's that?	[16:14]
jurov:	?	[16:16]
mod6:	nm	[16:17]
diana_coman:	jurov, you might want to sell the slag as such really	[16:21]
diana_coman:	you get to make exp too as you can make more	[16:21]
jurov:	for how much?	[16:25]
diana_coman:	it depends on the quality, but the nominal price is what the merchant would give you really	[16:26]
jurov:	well. i base my prices on what the merchant takes	[16:26]
jurov:	quite a difference	[16:27]
jurov:	:D	[16:27]
diana_coman:	ahahahaha	[16:27]
diana_coman:	lol	[16:27]
diana_coman:	true, but I doubt you'll find anyone paying that price for slag	[16:27]
jurov:	not today	[16:28]
diana_coman:	applying the same approach, I should then calculate my price for making a tool from you bundle something like (tool quality – bundle quality)+5000 or some such	[16:29]
diana_coman:	so well, it's really up to you, which approach you want to take	[16:29]
jurov:	5000 isn't so much, really	[16:29]
diana_coman:	no, it's quite little for tools, true, but would you be happy to pay it in addition to what others pay? lol	[16:30]
jurov:	why me extra?	[16:31]
diana_coman:	because of the way you calculate the prices you ask others to pay when buying from you	[16:31]
diana_coman:	this is what I mean, lol	[16:31]
chetty:	maybe his crafters mark will be worth it someday, collectors item	[16:33]
diana_coman:	ha ha, that's true chetty	[16:34]
diana_coman:	:)	[16:34]
diana_coman:	I'm fighting with a bundle …	[16:34]
diana_coman:	which doesn't want to be made into the itme	[16:34]
diana_coman:	item	[16:34]
diana_coman:	I have the right recipe	[16:34]
jurov:	how else am i to get at least roughly even?	[16:35]
diana_coman:	and I get again the messages with gathering exp instead of tinkering	[16:35]
diana_coman:	by collaborating jurov, really	[16:35]
jurov:	so far i "collaborated" only by paying and paying	[16:35]
diana_coman:	how is that?	[16:35]
diana_coman:	look, grenadine and mod have been mining stuff a lot and selling it and getting tools in return (or better quality threads and bits of nothing so that they might also get better loot when mining)	[16:36]
diana_coman:	and they are improving their skills surely	[16:36]
jurov:	because you got lucky with skills in the beginning	[16:37]
diana_coman:	geeez jurov, how did I get "lucky"?	[16:37]
diana_coman:	and then mp got even luckier, or how is that?	[16:37]
jurov:	i did not know how to trade with heina, so was stuck at 23 for a long time	[16:37]
diana_coman:	but exp points still accumulated	[16:38]
jurov:	no, they get wiped on every level gained	[16:38]
diana_coman:	no, not all	[16:38]
diana_coman:	only what was needed for that level	[16:38]
jurov:	in my case, they were	[16:38]
diana_coman:	that just means you had only enough for that level	[16:38]
chetty:	diana_coman, log says missing item for some reason	[16:38]
diana_coman:	uhm	[16:38]
diana_coman:	well, meanwhile it made it	[16:39]
diana_coman:	and jurov, out of curiosity: did mp also get luckier?	[16:39]
jurov:	i do remember he or chetty writing to me "yes your practice was wiped you should have paid heina earlier"	[16:40]
diana_coman:	ahh, I missed that then, sorry	[16:40]
chetty:	you still very laggy today diana_coman ?	[16:41]
diana_coman:	it got better as I am hugging the modem	[16:42]
diana_coman:	but it was horrible some 30 minutes ago	[16:42]
diana_coman:	I'm in a village where they barely have one mobile operator in grand total, patchy electricity it seems (this morning it was on and off) and very, very low houses, lol	[16:43]
jurov:	anyway, for a long time, i did not mine practically anything even with good tools. if there were not glitches such as overabundant extraordinary claims, i'd have to spend far more than 5 million i did	[16:43]
chetty:	hihi I get reports on a couple of things if the time is really excessive, and the last time you logged of it beeped because it took so long to clear the disonnect	[16:43]
diana_coman:	I do wonder whether it's meant to be some special tourist experience and I had no idea about it, or what	[16:43]
diana_coman:	jurov I spent more than that	[16:43]
jurov:	with far better result per mil?	[16:44]
jurov:	neverming, this fucking game brings out the worst in me	[16:44]
diana_coman:	I don't think so; from what you say, the main difference seems to be that you decided quite early on that it was not paying off, while I just kept going (in all honesty because well, I wanted to do that, not as much wanting to get a profit or whatever)	[16:45]
mod6:	yeah, don't get frustrated. i decided to throw a bunch of coin at it on the hopes that eventually i'll be profitable.	[16:46]
mod6:	and if not, well, it was fun anyway.	[16:46]
mod6:	although, im getting there so … win	[16:46]
mod6:	WARP	[16:47]
diana_coman:	exploring the edges of the world, mod?	[16:47]
diana_coman:	as they have here the very aptly named place "Land's End", lol	[16:47]
mod6:	hahaha ya	[16:47]
mod6:	i know mushrooms grow at night, so im bound to find something!	[16:48]
diana_coman:	ha ha, hope you find them :)	[16:48]
diana_coman:	oooo	[16:49]
diana_coman:	I got tiny wooly mushroom!	[16:50]
chetty:	ooo grats	[16:50]
diana_coman:	need to take a picture :)))	[16:50]
mod6:	waaat	[16:50]
diana_coman:	thank you chetty	[16:50]
diana_coman:	:)	[16:50]
diana_coman:	picture taken, proof secured, lol	[16:50]
mod6:	did you get that server message? haha	[16:51]
diana_coman:	ahahahah	[16:51]
diana_coman:	yes	[16:51]
diana_coman:	I'll have to make another journal entry soon, lol	[16:51]
mod6:	good work diana_coman	[16:54]
diana_coman:	thanks mod6 :)	[16:54]
diana_coman:	quite expensive mushrooms indeed given that I almost wore down an improved pickaxe	[16:54]
diana_coman:	but it feels good :D	[16:54]
mod6:	lol, you know how many i've worn down?	[16:55]
diana_coman:	well, this one only now	[16:55]
diana_coman:	I did not even count them all since I started looking for shrooms, slithy tove and crumbly rock	[16:55]
mod6:	i've gone through probably 15-20 improved tools.	[16:55]
diana_coman:	yeah :(	[16:55]
mod6:	it's all g though	[16:55]
diana_coman:	what can I say, I also destroyed one chetty stick without any good out of it :(	[16:56]
diana_coman:	well, I got a bloody stupid grub that I found otherwise on my own too	[16:56]
diana_coman:	so …	[16:56]
chetty:	you got nothing from the chetty stick?	[16:56]
diana_coman:	and that was one hell of an expensive tool	[16:56]
diana_coman:	I got	[16:56]
diana_coman:	but it was that swarmy grub thing or how it's called	[16:57]
diana_coman:	and I had found that before on my own	[16:57]
chetty:	hmm how big was the claim? extra loots?	[16:57]
diana_coman:	no :(	[16:57]
diana_coman:	small claim, just a few items out of it	[16:57]
diana_coman:	with 7 threads, of course, but no luck	[16:58]
diana_coman:	well, it was only one, of course	[16:58]
diana_coman:	it seems to me that it might be far more cost-efficient to just improve my gathering skills a hell of a lot	[16:58]
diana_coman:	I mean: using the stick is very good but you need to also have quite some luck (or use a lot of them)	[16:59]
mod6:	WARP	[17:04]
mod6:	damnit	[17:04]
chetty:	I should make s pecial warp for mod6	[17:07]
mod6:	hahaha	[17:07]
mod6:	warp me right off line	[17:07]
mod6:	or into pit of sorrows.	[17:10]
diana_coman:	jurov re lost claims, you know that mircea_popescu will respawn them (ordinary or bigger) if you just have the recipe, right?	[17:31]
jurov:	no	[17:34]
mod6:	oh neat, i better check my storage	[17:36]
jurov:	i have no ordinary or bigger recipe	[17:38]
mircea_popescu:	<jurov> neverming, this fucking game brings out the worst in me << haha looky here, just because the individualist streak in you never got a chance to stretch out before doesn't make you a bad person now. enjoy, have fun etc.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu:	fwiw, i am pretty sure you both misunderstand the importance of skills and misrepresent the evolution over time.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu:	it's neither a runaway race nor is it the case that not having skills equals death.	[19:12]
mod6:	got my first ordinary :D	[19:51]
mircea_popescu:	o wow wd.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu:	what is it ?	[19:56]
mod6:	Worthless Putrid Leather	[19:57]
mircea_popescu:	o hey.	[19:58]
mircea_popescu:	sadly i can't offer to help digging it up as your skill prolly exceeds mine.	[19:58]
mircea_popescu:	but got the materials you need ?	[19:58]
mod6:	na, i can get all but one, the deserted crab shell.	[19:59]
mod6:	but it's all good. i locked it. and i'll come back to it later.	[19:59]
mod6:	i've got like >100 of those anyway.	[19:59]
mod6:	(wpl's)	[19:59]
mod6:	thanks tho!	[19:59]
mod6:	mapping all this stuff takes time, hopefully it's good.	[20:00]
mircea_popescu:	i can pass you some shells.	[20:00]
mircea_popescu:	ah, youi got your own. coolness.	[20:00]
mod6:	ut oh; did /explore, nothing… boom	[20:03]
hanbot:	i had just joined. mebbe it didn't like the cut of my jib.	[20:05]
hanbot:	congrats on the leather ordinary mod6!	[20:05]
mircea_popescu:	up	[20:07]
mod6:	thanks hanbot :)	[20:09]
mod6:	thx mp	[20:09]
mircea_popescu:	you right clicked a dead key didn't you.	[22:00]
mod6:	me?	[22:02]
mod6:	lol, sorry no idea, i didn't click on anything. you just disappeared.	[22:02]
mod6:	i left the stuff there for ya.	[22:02]
mod6:	i think it was the same thing as before. was mining, meter bar didnt come up, waited ~30 seconds, hit it again. boom.	[22:48]
mod6:	on the bright side, i did make a nice haul on shiny rocks =]	[22:49]
mircea_popescu:	up	[22:50]
mod6:	thx	[22:50]

diana_coman:	morning	[03:02]
chetty:	morning	[03:38]
jurov:	morning	[04:38]
diana_coman:	chetty, I figured out what happened with that stacking thing/morphing tools in the hand	[04:44]
diana_coman:	it's basically that the inventory window does not have enough slots to show all the items one has	[04:45]
diana_coman:	and then they kind of "overflow" into the right hand, lol	[04:45]
diana_coman:	and unrelated: I just saw again a null key (it was among those I had just dropped, so it didn't crash anything, but not sure how it got to be)	[04:45]
diana_coman:	unless it still is possible for the sweeper to take a claim and leave the key somehow	[04:46]
diana_coman:	as I had dropped those keys quite recently and I also saw one of the claims vanish	[04:46]
diana_coman:	how's it going jurov?	[04:46]
diana_coman:	care to sell any grass?	[04:46]
jurov:	i'm just going afk, brb in 2 hours	[04:47]
diana_coman:	ok	[04:47]
jurov:	will look to the grass then	[04:47]
diana_coman:	ok, it seems to have crashed for now anyway	[04:47]
diana_coman:	probably still that key issue	[04:47]
jurov:	oh yes, i noticed the items overflow into the hand, just used storage to sort it out and did not deem important to discuss	[04:48]
chetty:	the issue with the keys at the moment is that after the server thinks the keys are gone it hasnt told the client, so you wind up with an object the server doesnt recognize, working on ways to force that …	[04:51]
chetty:	it you want to look thru keys until I figure something out a sorta safe way would be to relog first	[04:53]
jurov:	okay. i can sell 500 grass @ 500 coppers	[06:56]
mircea_popescu:	total ?!	[06:57]
jurov:	each:)	[06:57]
mircea_popescu:	lol ok. ill sell q 160 grass at 150 ea.	[06:57]
jurov:	qual = 185	[06:57]
mircea_popescu:	o wow well done eh	[06:58]
jurov:	remains from better times	[06:58]
mircea_popescu:	oh	[06:58]
mircea_popescu:	euloran soviet empire collapsed and all we have left is this grass!	[06:58]
jurov:	which is soon to become but a puff of smoke	[07:00]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[07:06]
mircea_popescu:	what better fate.	[07:06]
diana_coman:	lol jurov, the grass of gold	[07:34]
mircea_popescu:	lol diana commentbombing nao ?	[07:35]
jurov:	well.. tell that to teh merchant	[07:35]
mircea_popescu:	electron's a heathen.	[07:35]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu that grass sounds good and I'd take some tools too if you have any	[08:54]
diana_coman:	also, I have some bark shavings if you want them	[08:54]
mircea_popescu:	im ok on shavings.	[08:54]
diana_coman:	commentbombing lol, more like shaky connection	[08:54]
mircea_popescu:	gonna jump in game in a few and we can do the deed.	[08:54]
diana_coman:	ok, let me get back then	[08:54]
diana_coman:	I'm back at the merchant	[08:56]
diana_coman:	chetty, I can't craft…	[09:24]
diana_coman:	nor mine for that matter	[09:24]
diana_coman:	it makes the bundles but it doesn't go any further all of a sudden	[09:25]
diana_coman:	and it reports that I gained some points in….gathering	[09:25]
diana_coman:	:(	[09:25]
diana_coman:	I even logged out and in again	[09:25]
diana_coman:	I don't know what happened, as just a few minutes earlier I happily made a whole bunch of threads, so not sure	[09:25]
diana_coman:	uhm, and now it finally made at least one thing…	[09:26]
chetty:	hmm I havent changed anything	[09:27]
diana_coman:	but now again	[09:27]
diana_coman:	it's really bizarre	[09:27]
diana_coman:	it has some nasty hiccups it seems	[09:27]
chetty:	very strange, I have ot changed anything for a couple days now	[09:28]
chetty:	are you using the right workitem? crafttable/toolbox etc?	[09:30]
diana_coman:	yes	[09:30]
diana_coman:	I made about 50 threads and then on the 51st it started with this	[09:30]
diana_coman:	lol	[09:30]
diana_coman:	now it seems to have recovered at least for the moment	[09:31]
chetty:	I know I couldnt craft the other day, had the wrong item selected	[09:31]
chetty:	oh, maybe you lost focus on the table after so many?	[09:31]
diana_coman:	no, I even selected again and everything	[09:31]
chetty:	hmm	[09:31]
diana_coman:	+ it shouldn't report experience on gathering anyway	[09:31]
chetty:	now thats for, that one is on my puzzle list	[09:34]
chetty:	in about 30 minutes we will be brings the server down for update to skills and leveling. Not sure how long itwill be down, some database changes are invloved but it should be very long.	[09:57]
chetty:	*shouldn't	[09:58]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman if you manage to deselect the tabler you gotta reselect it	[10:22]
diana_coman:	I did that	[10:22]
diana_coman:	it wasn't that the problem	[10:22]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[10:22]
diana_coman:	not sure what it was, but it was some nasty hiccup	[10:22]
chetty:	well I am adding it to the 'strange stuff to be investigated' list	[10:23]
diana_coman:	once it recovered everything went fine from there	[10:23]
chetty:	hmm are you intercepting the end of work messages? maybe got it a bit out of synch?	[10:24]
diana_coman:	no, I did not have that going on	[10:25]
chetty:	alrighty folks server coming down for a bit until the mighty mp tells me to start it again	[10:25]
diana_coman:	just 1 sec chetty to finish a trade?	[10:26]
chetty:	sure	[10:26]
diana_coman:	done, thank you :)	[10:26]
mod6:	"before the reset."	[10:27]
diana_coman:	ha ha mod6	[10:27]
mod6:	bzzt. haha, no quick enough apparently.	[10:27]
diana_coman:	but yeah, I was just saying thank you	[10:27]
chetty:	oh srry mod6	[10:27]
diana_coman:	goop is becoming a great thing	[10:27]
mod6:	yw. i know you needed them	[10:27]
mod6:	no worries chetty	[10:27]
mod6:	we're scrambling for goop	[10:27]
diana_coman:	that's the thing with crumbly rock – it's needed for the goop which is needed for tools	[10:27]
chetty:	hahahaha, now that really sounds, err strange	[10:28]
mod6:	i gotta mine hard and fine some crumbly rocks =]	[10:28]
diana_coman:	which are needed to search for crumbly rocks that we can't find apparently, lol	[10:28]
chetty:	hmm crumbly rocks, guess thats what I go looking for next time I play	[10:28]
diana_coman:	scrambled goop would be even stranger, lol	[10:28]
diana_coman:	that'd be great chetty :)	[10:28]
diana_coman:	if you find any, I'll buy them	[10:28]
mod6:	you know. i wanna say right when we started this up with mining, that i found a few of the mines — that were eventually wiped out. but i might have imagined that.	[10:28]
diana_coman:	uhm, where was that, mod6?	[10:29]
mod6:	i'm just not finding 'em now. i would think that i'm high enough level for them. but not positive.	[10:29]
chetty:	I been pretty lucky with random wanderings, got a few of a few rare things, no wooly shrooms tho	[10:29]
diana_coman:	which rare things?	[10:29]
mod6:	i've not seen those either chetty	[10:29]
diana_coman:	I seem to find tons of thorns and leather, some moss, a few eggs, berries and fruit, some bitterbeans	[10:30]
diana_coman:	very rarely some snails	[10:30]
chetty:	well 3point thorns, purple snails shiny rocks are some things I have found that people seem to complain about	[10:30]
diana_coman:	are shiny rocks rare?	[10:30]
chetty:	oh yeah berries	[10:30]
chetty:	I recall people saying that at some point, but they seem pretty common to me	[10:31]
diana_coman:	I need some dungbeetles but had no luck finding any :(	[10:31]
diana_coman:	shiny rocks are common	[10:31]
diana_coman:	or at least uhm, they seem to me	[10:31]
diana_coman:	maybe shiny stones?	[10:31]
mod6:	< chetty> well 3point thorns, purple snails shiny rocks are some things I have found that people seem to complain about << i know where to find all of these reliably.	[10:31]
diana_coman:	small polished stones?	[10:31]
chetty:	>> making a list, might take till xmas, crumbly rock at the top	[10:32]
chetty:	mp is keeping me so busy tho, not much time to actually play	[10:32]
mod6:	yeah. i've found stackloads of grass, branches, leather, shiny rocks, etc etc.	[10:32]
mod6:	flotsams	[10:32]
diana_coman:	thing is I can't seem to be able to get any of the useful things that are basically to be found only through looting	[10:32]
mod6:	been hitting those hard lately	[10:33]
mod6:	what can be found through 'looting'? like receipes?	[10:33]
chetty:	yes	[10:33]
diana_coman:	those are very good too mod6, not because they are rare, but because they are used in huge quantities	[10:33]
diana_coman:	yes mod6, recipes and skills	[10:33]
chetty:	I bought 5 thread recipes, I think I have 7 now, and a pile of thread	[10:34]
mod6:	ah	[10:34]
diana_coman:	chetty, if you need threads, bits of nothing or recipes for threads, I can sell some	[10:34]
diana_coman:	esp recipes for threads I have quite enough anyway	[10:34]
diana_coman:	I understood that chetty's stick would help find some of those more elusive stuff, but well, never seen it/the recipe for it :(	[10:35]
chetty:	thanks, I am pretty well stocked for the amount I play. Anyway I want to ventually get this marker and key fix finished, days I been on it, mp keeps interrupting ..	[10:35]
diana_coman:	ha ha, use the chetty stick to keep him away? lol	[10:36]
chetty:	the stick is pretty cool, course I have only used it on the test system. That thing had more bugs …	[10:36]
mod6:	"36 tubers, 7 woolly mushrooms, 2 spicy moss and one pacademia nut", that's some expensive tea!	[10:47]
diana_coman:	yeah, it was before the latest update	[10:54]
diana_coman:	when things were not yet scarce etc	[10:54]
chetty:	things got more scarce? really?	[10:55]
diana_coman:	chetty more scarce as in not restocked at the merchant at the same time when actually starting to use them due to the new tools etc	[10:57]
lobbesbot:	New post: http://trilema.com/category/smg/feed/ Eulora skills update <http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-skills-update/>	[10:57]
diana_coman:	not otherwise	[10:57]
diana_coman:	ha, I was ahead of the bot, lol	[10:57]
diana_coman:	I got moneyz at least, if skills went down, geez	[10:58]
diana_coman:	curious now whether this means now that I'm not top on gathering and building since they got under 95 and thus possibly even less than what someone else had	[11:04]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman you can't not be on top anymore	[11:04]
mircea_popescu:	if they had more, they'd have lost more.	[11:04]
diana_coman:	you said those under 95 were not affected?	[11:05]
diana_coman:	so if someone had 96 in gathering	[11:05]
mircea_popescu:	uh.	[11:05]
diana_coman:	sorry, 94	[11:05]
diana_coman:	they would still have 94 ?	[11:05]
diana_coman:	while I got now to 78?	[11:05]
diana_coman:	or did I get something wrong?	[11:05]
mircea_popescu:	i did lol. left teh wrong figure in there.	[11:06]
mircea_popescu:	one sec ima look through all of this again nao.	[11:06]
diana_coman:	ok	[11:06]
mod6:	congrats diana_coman, you're rich.	[11:09]
mircea_popescu:	nope, you're still top of teh hill.	[11:09]
diana_coman:	ha ha mod6 thank you	[11:11]
mod6:	:]	[11:11]
mircea_popescu:	this is technically speaking last sunday's (unannounced) event	[11:11]
diana_coman:	tbh I blew already more than that on all sorts and it's not hard at all	[11:11]
mircea_popescu:	"highest skill wins" sorta thing. incredible she acually got… all 3!	[11:12]
mod6:	im still astonished, you were at least double most of my skills, and nearly quadruple my tinkering skill	[11:12]
diana_coman:	ha, I was sorry for not getting mcguyvering or smth, lol	[11:12]
mircea_popescu:	<diana_coman> goop is becoming a great thing << :D	[11:12]
diana_coman:	so how is it mircea_popescu, did the skills below 95 remain unchanged so no loss there?	[11:13]
diana_coman:	yeah, I prolly will end up writing "The Great Goop Rush" or smth :))	[11:14]
mircea_popescu:	<diana_coman> when things were not yet scarce etc << bwahaha. oh the sunny days of yonder years…	[11:14]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman nobody in the gap.	[11:15]
diana_coman:	what can I say, I still enjoyed it :p	[11:16]
mircea_popescu:	so basically, you got dropped to 77, but there wasn't someone that high anyway. so you're still ahead.	[11:16]
mircea_popescu:	i know i'll be sad about my tinkering tho ;/	[11:16]
mod6:	glad i bought ze threads when i did!	[11:17]
diana_coman:	ou sont les woolly shrooms d'antan	[11:18]
diana_coman:	so kind of saved by other people's lack of skill, quite literally, lol	[11:19]
mircea_popescu:	mod6 srsly. i doubt i'll be able to make even 150q	[11:19]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman nah, i'd have done it otherwise if it were an issue.	[11:19]
chetty:	wow diana_coman you had 254 tinkering? I am impressed	[11:32]
diana_coman:	thank you chetty, I tried to get better at it :)	[11:32]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu I might be thick but I still don't get it how can the skill get below 95 if what is below 95 is not affected?	[11:33]
mircea_popescu:	the number 95 in the article was stale.	[11:47]
diana_coman:	ah, I did refresh and it showed the update re bug fixing, but it still showed 95	[11:52]
diana_coman:	ok	[11:52]
mircea_popescu:	so : server is back up, skills adjusted	[17:01]
mircea_popescu:	unfortunately, the display is unexpectedly not working right. so the bars will turn full green before the skill is actually filled. you'll just have to trust it and keep going, it will ding eventually.	[17:01]
mircea_popescu:	the display can't rbe fixed without a client update, so we're scheduling it with the rest of visual uplifts	[17:02]
jurov:	i'd prefer to have numbers shown, too. have to keep an eye on the console if i want to track skills more precisely	[17:04]
mircea_popescu:	of course you would.	[17:05]
mircea_popescu:	took chetty a week to take the damned things out.	[17:05]
diana_coman:	10k tool newly made, le sigh	[17:05]
mircea_popescu:	what's your qr now ?	[17:06]
diana_coman:	mined flotsam at 88	[17:06]
diana_coman:	used to mine at 107	[17:06]
diana_coman:	made slag at 112q	[17:06]
diana_coman:	from around 160q	[17:06]
mircea_popescu:	ah, not even under 100 ? splenddi then	[17:07]
diana_coman:	no, at least not under 100, yeah	[17:07]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, that's it for skills.	[17:07]
diana_coman:	and found ONLY tiny claims, lol	[17:07]
mircea_popescu:	and im going in game in a bit pass out your prize.	[17:08]
diana_coman:	on the up side, got 10 flotsam from one tiny claim :))	[17:08]
diana_coman:	ok	[17:08]
diana_coman:	my used tool is now better than my new tool :)))	[17:08]
mircea_popescu:	lawl.	[17:09]
mircea_popescu:	btw jurov	[17:17]
mircea_popescu:	how much to make me a client integration of b-a ?	[17:17]
mircea_popescu:	like, make a special channel. include an irc client or w/e it takes.	[17:17]
chetty:	play eulora nd chat on b-a at the same time?	[17:18]
mircea_popescu:	im cutting new grounds in going insane.	[17:19]
thestringpuller:	chetty you ever send me those models?	[17:20]
jurov:	going off, will discuss it tmrw	[17:20]
chetty:	nope, thestringpuller you never gave me address	[17:20]
thestringpuller:	same one we communicate with normally	[17:20]
thestringpuller:	pm'ed if you forgot	[17:21]
chetty:	ok ty	[17:21]
thestringpuller:	see if you can export as a *.3ds file for the models	[17:22]
thestringpuller:	if not I'll work with what you send	[17:22]
chetty:	oh darn, I just sent the blend, I'll go see what I can export now ..	[17:26]
thestringpuller:	yea just lemme know. .3ds is pretty standard for mesh data.	[17:26]
chetty:	ok 3ds sent	[17:27]
diana_coman:	ahaha chetty, I like the description of the chetty stick	[18:02]
chetty:	;)	[18:12]
diana_coman:	mod6 well done!	[19:10]

mod6:	oops	[00:56]
mod6:	i did something to it.	[00:57]
mod6:	i was moving stuff around in my inventory and then items started not updating to the destination cell.	[00:57]
mod6:	then it crashed.	[00:57]
hanbot:	i attempted to train an attribute right about when it died	[00:57]
mod6:	ahh.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu:	heh	[01:01]
mircea_popescu:	back up	[01:02]
mod6:	thanks!	[01:04]
mircea_popescu:	aaaand it turns out there's a bug in the xp cost for new ranks.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu:	everyone – skill up as much as you can, for once we find and fix this it'll be a lot more expensive.	[01:21]
mod6:	thx for the heads up	[01:40]
chetty:	morning diana_coman take a peak at the chan log a few lines back :)	[09:07]
diana_coman:	morning chetty	[09:07]
diana_coman:	thank you, I just had and saw the train thing :)	[09:07]
chetty:	also I figured out how markers can go missing and I expect to have a fix out for that today	[09:07]
diana_coman:	I was going a bit through the commands on the client and I'm not sure which ones are actually working	[09:07]
diana_coman:	wow, that's great	[09:08]
diana_coman:	can you tell me by any chance what message does the server actually send when an explore is complete?	[09:08]
diana_coman:	as I'd need to intercept that one	[09:09]
chetty:	well last thing would be character_mode peace	[09:09]
diana_coman:	oh, there isn't one specific to that?	[09:10]
diana_coman:	I guess I could just intercept that one too	[09:10]
diana_coman:	hmmm	[09:10]
chetty:	not really explore craft and build all count as work, so they end as peace	[09:10]
diana_coman:	ok, thanks	[09:11]
diana_coman:	and I crashed the server…	[10:52]
diana_coman:	chetty, it's again the "drop a lot of keys" thing	[10:52]
diana_coman:	but I don't really get it since they really are recent keys for claims that are certainly there	[10:52]
diana_coman:	so not missing	[10:52]
diana_coman:	this time I was alone on the server, so it surely is this	[10:53]
diana_coman:	if you want me to, I might even be able to reproduce it so that you can get a screenshot of the state	[10:53]
diana_coman:	snapshot…	[10:53]
chetty:	I got it thanks, and for once its not the keys, I 'll go thru and see whats up	[11:20]
chetty:	oh, nvm it was the keys, thats what I am working on now	[11:21]
diana_coman:	oh, all right :)	[11:22]
diana_coman:	uhm, did my stoneaxe morphed into a key while I was not looking? :)))	[12:02]
diana_coman:	ahaha, no matter how many times I put it in my inventory, it jumps back into my hand	[12:02]
diana_coman:	chetty, this is hilarious :)))	[12:03]
diana_coman:	apparently, I can also explore with this key	[12:03]
diana_coman:	or a key	[12:03]
diana_coman:	uhm, I basically can't dequip an item?	[12:12]
diana_coman:	or at least not from the hand?	[12:12]
diana_coman:	ugh, so apparently now when I explore, it morphs my tool into …a key	[12:18]
diana_coman:	lost 1 improved cruddy hoe and 1 basic pickaxe :(	[12:18]
chetty:	uh, try dropping the key	[12:19]
diana_coman:	uhm, and got them back through a kind of…magic moving keys around :)))	[12:19]
diana_coman:	I try to put it to the inventory and it just springs back, lol	[12:19]
diana_coman:	it's alive!	[12:19]
diana_coman:	:)))	[12:19]
diana_coman:	uhm, this was strange	[12:20]
diana_coman:	it was probab a different key every time	[12:20]
diana_coman:	it seemed to go through a whole list of items previous in my hand or something	[12:20]
chetty:	hahah ya actual drop should work, not move to inventory, then pick it up after.	[12:20]
chetty:	this finding a way to not crash on keys is kicking my butt today	[12:21]
diana_coman:	yay, after going through the whole set it seems to have gotten back to normal	[12:21]
diana_coman:	not sure what was that, lol	[12:21]
chetty:	all the verious routines for stacking are really complex, I kinda surprised more hasnt surfaced	[12:23]
mircea_popescu:	ello Corwin	[22:12]

diana_coman:	morning all	[02:44]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu do you want that moss ?	[02:44]
diana_coman:	uhm, and crash…	[02:52]
diana_coman:	chetty, I was again just dropping tons of keys like last time	[02:52]
diana_coman:	if it was me, that is	[02:52]
thestringpuller:	diana_coman: playin' vidya games all day	[02:55]
diana_coman:	ha ha thestringpuller and all night	[02:55]
mircea_popescu:	heh	[02:55]
diana_coman:	but sheesh, not an option for me anymore, no	[02:55]
mircea_popescu:	how did it crash ?	[02:56]
diana_coman:	I had this before: I just start dropping all the crud keys I accumulated	[02:56]
diana_coman:	and at some point it goes boom	[02:56]
diana_coman:	no idea how/why	[02:57]
diana_coman:	the client crashes too	[02:57]
mircea_popescu:	meh. this one looks different.	[02:57]
diana_coman:	well, assuming that it was me crashing it	[02:57]
diana_coman:	it might have been something else entirely	[02:57]
mircea_popescu:	anyway. restarted	[02:57]
diana_coman:	so do you want that moss?	[02:58]
mircea_popescu:	yes ima be there in 10.	[02:58]
diana_coman:	k	[02:58]
diana_coman:	it seems that the sweeper was going on so possibly that has to do with it	[03:00]
mircea_popescu:	hm.	[03:00]
diana_coman:	I'll have to go soon	[03:19]
mircea_popescu:	we do next time ?	[03:25]
diana_coman:	prolly	[03:25]
diana_coman:	I should be able to get back in the afternoon, so that's pretty much in 6 hrs from now	[03:26]
diana_coman:	jurov, if interested and around, I can pass on to you some tiny claims if that helps, maybe?	[03:27]
mircea_popescu:	nah i can't be arsed to dig up tinies	[03:29]
diana_coman:	lol mircea_popescu are you jurov now? that was an offer for him	[03:45]
mircea_popescu:	oh sorry	[03:45]
diana_coman:	but sure, if you want them, no problems	[03:46]
diana_coman:	anyone else for that matter	[03:46]
mircea_popescu:	he i just dumped like 80 grass claims because wtf, i can't be bothered	[03:46]
mircea_popescu:	but i think it'd be a decent living for noobs, follow miners like that rhino bird	[03:46]
mircea_popescu:	and eat the tinies.	[03:46]
diana_coman:	yeah, I was thinking that they might at least be useful to someone rather than throw them away	[03:59]
diana_coman:	btw, I got some shiny rocks in the end	[03:59]
diana_coman:	and a couple of polished stones	[04:00]
mircea_popescu:	o hey, shiny rocks i need	[04:00]
diana_coman:	yeah, I thought they would be needed, lol	[04:00]
mircea_popescu:	ima swiotch over now if you're still in game	[04:00]
diana_coman:	not right now, no, sorry, I might be able to pop in for a minute in about 10	[04:01]
diana_coman:	there, I'm getting in for a min if you want to get those items	[04:09]
chetty:	reading back .. I have to say tiny still makes me happy	[06:26]
diana_coman:	chetty, that locked tiny claim seems to have disappeared too	[08:34]
diana_coman:	though it took some time	[08:34]
jurov:	mircea_popescu: yes i suspected you left some claims unused. but tried, few it said they were used, so i thought i'm mistaken	[08:36]
diana_coman:	jurov, I'm going now to mine some shiny rocks, do you want any tiny claims?	[08:37]
jurov:	maybe later when the vanishing is fixed	[08:37]
diana_coman:	well, it's probab best to just get them and mine them on the spot now	[08:38]
jurov:	i intended to leave them for later	[08:39]
diana_coman:	uhm, maybe later you'd rather mine/get small ones as your skill grow?	[08:39]
diana_coman:	but well, as you know	[08:39]
jurov:	yes, since barehand gathering still gives +100	[08:39]
diana_coman:	hmmm, remember that it works on the principle "what you put it, you get out"	[08:41]
diana_coman:	so dunno	[08:41]
chetty:	I tell you all I am completely stumped by the claims, and its kinda impossible to seriously track them since there are so many sitting around, usually about 400 everytime I look	[08:41]
diana_coman:	anything we can do to help track?	[08:42]
chetty:	if I think of anything I will certainly ask	[08:42]
diana_coman:	please do :)	[08:42]
diana_coman:	btw, did you get the book in the end?	[08:43]
diana_coman:	the book of lists?	[08:43]
chetty:	hmm actually I should check on a single claim I left locked a long time ago … I dont think I have a key for it anymore, hahaha	[08:43]
chetty:	oh yes, I found one :)	[08:43]
diana_coman:	good then :)	[08:43]
chetty:	yup, still there, still locked, was about a week ago I did that	[08:47]
diana_coman:	that's odd	[08:47]
diana_coman:	hmmm, the thing is	[08:47]
diana_coman:	I think I still have some ordinary claims that are older	[08:47]
diana_coman:	those seem to be fine	[08:47]
chetty:	server reset in 5	[08:47]
diana_coman:	I should check the keys exactly, but like that just looking at it seems fine	[08:48]
chetty:	well I will test it more on my test server today,but I really have to actually see one instance of it misbeahving to figure out whats happening	[08:49]
chetty:	and I think it waits until I am not looking ..	[08:50]
chetty:	reset done, up	[08:52]
jurov:	chetty, giving them names, as i asked earlier? or it's completely client stuff?	[08:57]
jurov:	*improve tracking by giving them names instead of "Key"	[08:57]
jurov:	or if full names "key to twiddling frobs" are too long, just numbering then Key #NNNN	[09:01]
chetty:	well the key thing is client side, tooltip, they have 'names' that point to the actual cclaim and location	[09:01]
jurov:	they are distinct items anyway	[09:01]
chetty:	srry folks another ressart	[09:02]
jurov:	so th "Key" tooltip should be done on client?	[09:02]
chetty:	it is done on client	[09:02]
chetty:	comes fro the xml	[09:03]
chetty:	done on restart, up	[09:04]
jurov:	chetty: i see	[09:34]
jurov:	diana_coman: mining tiny claims (with the bits of nothing i have) gets only +7 building . so i prefer to explore on my own and use occassional small claim, too	[09:40]
jurov:	maybe if someone made hyperfragilisticexpialidocious bits of nothing with high q	[09:40]
jurov:	the result for tiny claims would be better.	[09:40]
diana_coman:	jurov not sure whether one can actually make bits of nothing/	[09:46]
diana_coman:	?	[09:46]
diana_coman:	re keys that can be surely done on the client from what I saw	[09:46]
jurov:	<mircea_popescu> [20150703 22:27] well, that and the fact that i made 30k flotsam into tiny bits. << dunno what bits he wrote about then	[09:48]
diana_coman:	tbh I still mine sometimes the tiny ones too simply for the items they give really, since there is now quite a shortage of various things I'd say	[09:50]
jurov:	i just bought a book to make them from mircea	[09:54]
jurov:	VERY hefty recipe, this.	[09:54]
diana_coman:	to make what?	[09:54]
jurov:	bits o' nothing	[09:55]
diana_coman:	ah, the bits	[09:55]
diana_coman:	good for you	[09:55]
jurov:	upon second reading, it says "between 1 and 999" of all ingredients so it can be tried with fewer… ofc it would be bad to waste the recipe with less	[09:57]
diana_coman:	that is the overloading thing	[10:05]
diana_coman:	so you can get the item with the minimum	[10:06]
diana_coman:	whatever you give it on top is basically overload and well, what you put in is what you get out as it were	[10:06]
jurov:	on top of what?	[10:24]
jurov:	and chetty: was an option considered that claims and keys vanish immediately after use?	[10:26]
diana_coman:	on top of the minimum, jurov	[10:26]
chetty:	yest diana_coman but what if it has more stuff than you can carry?	[10:56]
diana_coman:	chetty?	[10:57]
diana_coman:	what do you mean?	[10:57]
diana_coman:	oh, was it for jurov ?	[10:57]
diana_coman:	with the claims?	[10:57]
chetty:	yeah	[10:57]
diana_coman:	atm in any case you can kind of drag it	[10:57]
chetty:	oops srry directed at wrong person	[10:57]
diana_coman:	take it, drop it, take it, drop it, etc	[10:57]
diana_coman:	but yeah, I wouldn't be for deleting the claims on spot	[10:58]
chetty:	would really have been much easier to do that, but was voted a bad idea	[10:58]
diana_coman:	well, considering that the claims were meant also as storage, I can see why	[10:58]
chetty:	been thinking a little about doing that with tiny claims, but I kinda hate to get into considering claims differently	[11:02]
jurov:	i see	[11:03]
jurov:	server down	[11:12]
diana_coman:	uhm, either there really is a funny coincidence and it just happens when I start dropping keys but unrelated	[11:12]
diana_coman:	or …it is because I start dropping keys, lol	[11:12]
chetty:	up now	[11:13]
chetty:	its the keys	[11:13]
chetty:	I am still looking for ways to prevent that, but it goes nuts trying to lookup a lockname that does not exist, and well I can't know it doesnt exist until I look for it and ..	[11:14]
chetty:	and I dont know why there even are keys for locks that dont exist because I am deleting them at the same time the sweeper takes the claim	[11:16]
diana_coman:	it's funny because every time I am actually dropping recent keys	[11:17]
diana_coman:	the locks surely exist as I had just mined them as it were	[11:17]
diana_coman:	and they did not yet disappear	[11:17]
chetty:	well the line that kills it is getOpenableLocks()	[11:19]
diana_coman:	are they openable if they are unlock?	[11:19]
diana_coman:	unlocked	[11:20]
chetty:	well the method is really just looking for the id of the lock that goes with the key	[11:20]
jurov:	and i got stuck, can't move nor jump	[11:20]
chetty:	… /unstick?	[11:21]
chetty:	uh I bet the key has actualy been deleted from the server and your client view still shows it, hmmm	[11:22]
jurov:	unstick does not help	[11:23]
chetty:	ok, I'll move you	[11:23]
jurov:	btw maybe the key cleaner can be limited to offline players	[11:23]
diana_coman:	jurov, sometimes it does that and the only way I got out of it was through quit and come back	[11:24]
jurov:	yes i tried that too	[11:25]
jurov:	btw maybe the key cleaner can be limited to offline players	[11:25]
diana_coman:	why?	[11:25]
diana_coman:	noooo	[11:25]
diana_coman:	I want it to clean my crud of keys, lol	[11:25]
diana_coman:	why would it make such difference?	[11:25]
jurov:	if there is no easier way to resolve items missing on client…	[11:26]
chetty:	yeah I think I need to force a client update somehow when I clean keys, course the sweeeper has no clue who has a key … interesting	[11:26]
jurov:	send inventory message?	[11:27]
chetty:	yeah, prolly have to send one to all online players when we do key sweeps, at least I have a clue now how to maybe fix this	[11:28]
chetty:	did you move?	[11:28]
jurov:	no, trying to die now	[11:28]
jurov:	did not help	[11:29]
chetty:	hmm I moved you 1 coord in each dimension	[11:29]
jurov:	taht's jut deeper in the crater	[11:29]
chetty:	ah well just moved a lot more	[11:31]
mircea_popescu:	jurov> maybe if someone made hyperfragilisticexpialidocious bits of nothing with high q << lawl!	[11:31]
mircea_popescu:	jurov : i meant shavings, there.	[11:31]
mircea_popescu:	<diana_coman> take it, drop it, take it, drop it, etc << don't count on that working forever.	[11:32]
diana_coman:	I was under no illusions :p	[11:33]
jurov:	/pos stays the same…gotta relogin	[11:36]
jurov:	position changed, but only to hang deeper in the crater	[11:45]
jurov:	better reset it completely	[11:45]
diana_coman:	wow	[11:52]
diana_coman:	chetty, I made a thread and …it crashed	[11:52]
diana_coman:	now the client crashed when I make threads, wtf	[11:53]
diana_coman:	server down	[12:24]
chetty:	up now	[13:31]
mod6:	sweeeeet	[13:31]
chetty:	srry, caught me napping :)	[13:32]
mod6:	haha, no worries.	[13:32]
mod6:	someone forgot their crafttable.	[13:32]
chetty:	nah there are some new things	[13:33]
mod6:	oh neato	[13:33]
chetty:	keep yur eyes open, somewhere there is a new item to find too	[13:34]
mod6:	cool, :]	[13:34]
jurov:	chetty i'm still stuck	[13:43]
chetty:	huh? I moved you all the way to the spawn point?	[13:44]
jurov:	interesting. maybe client moved me back here	[13:45]
jurov:	/pos gives 105,45,-30	[13:45]
chetty:	yeah log off, I'll move you then log back on, prolly saved you where you were	[13:45]
jurov:	logged out	[13:46]
chetty:	ok try now	[13:47]
jurov:	i was supposed to be in spawning point?	[13:47]
jurov:	it just moved me few meters awa from crater	[13:48]
jurov:	*away	[13:48]
jurov:	either way, it's fine now, thanks!	[13:48]
chetty:	well this time I just put in random coords :P	[13:48]
jurov:	mod6 you wanted to buy coppers or sth?	[13:49]
mod6:	sth?	[13:51]
mod6:	yeah, i do need some coppers. probably in the next few days.	[13:52]
jurov:	sigh. mined tiny bitterbean claim.. an it just left the bit of nothing in	[13:52]
jurov:	on second try, it build the beans	[13:53]
mod6:	try moving it from one cell of the mining container to another.	[13:53]
jurov:	again. it left the bundle there and did not go further, no error messages	[13:55]
mod6:	did your recipe go away?	[13:56]
mod6:	and leave you with a half-built item?	[13:56]
jurov:	i had to click "Use" and then it made the stones	[13:56]
mod6:	ah	[14:01]
diana_coman:	I guess that table was mine, mod6 – the server crashed while I was making stuff	[15:32]
diana_coman:	wow, I got the darn client to actually do a bit of exploring directly from the code	[15:35]
diana_coman:	now if I figure out somehow the movement part arghhh	[15:35]
chetty:	good job diana_coman	[15:51]
diana_coman:	thanks, it feels good tbh, as so far digging through the client was quite horrible :(	[15:52]
diana_coman:	but well, for the moment it's more like a hack anyway	[15:52]
diana_coman:	long way to go still :(	[15:52]
chetty:	yeah there is some really nasty code in there	[15:52]
diana_coman:	it didn't set any cheat flags, did it?	[15:53]
chetty:	I wasnt looking	[16:07]
mircea_popescu:	heya.	[16:07]
diana_coman:	hello	[16:07]
diana_coman:	as a fun fact: I've got tons of shredding recipes, half a ton of recipes for my own book and about a few kilos of very small sparkles, but no other skills yet, lol	[16:10]
diana_coman:	I'll keep shredding of course, but I find it funny, lol	[16:10]
danielpbarron:	http://192.121.170.137/eulora/2015-06-23.log.html#t19:47:39 << any need for voice over actors? I know a guy.	[16:10]
jurov:	male voice?	[16:12]
jurov:	i can guess mp would say to that :)	[16:13]
jurov:	wow. i half-wore an adze from mp, meticulously locked all my claims	[16:14]
jurov:	only to find not even one after mere 2 hours	[16:14]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron yeah, we know a few guys, problem is the sound is a mess in the client, and it kinda failed to get enough priority to get looked into.	[16:15]
mircea_popescu:	if you look in the art directory, there's voice for greyhawk there.	[16:15]
mircea_popescu:	make the client sound work right, win an eulorean prize!	[16:15]
mircea_popescu:	jurov yeh this sweeper thing's on the fix list. ate my fucking remarkable.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu:	one tho. another's standing, or was last i checked. and all my ords too.	[16:16]
jurov:	i have got maybe 30 tiny and small claims removed	[16:16]
diana_coman:	uhm, did anything different with the one stills standing?	[16:16]
mircea_popescu:	nope.	[16:16]
diana_coman:	ugh jurov, are you sure you don't want to mine them on the spot?	[16:16]
diana_coman:	esp tiny?	[16:17]
diana_coman:	I can give you some better bits of nothing if that helps	[16:17]
mircea_popescu:	with the new BON, tinies should be fun	[16:17]
diana_coman:	at 163	[16:17]
jurov:	it's faster to explore all first, then mine	[16:17]
diana_coman:	well yes, but in batches?	[16:17]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman i looked some chewed duct tape myself, and some other things.	[16:17]
jurov:	ofc in batches :)	[16:17]
mircea_popescu:	lulziest thing : i looed like 12 of them!!!! on a craft that was 1 each	[16:17]
chetty:	seriously? going back looking for claims seems slow to me	[16:18]
mircea_popescu:	much better than what i got with fully loaded crafts	[16:18]
diana_coman:	:))))	[16:18]
diana_coman:	that was exactly my next try, lol	[16:18]
diana_coman:	I made some in between too	[16:18]
jurov:	i'm not going to look into them	[16:18]
jurov:	*for them	[16:18]
diana_coman:	so now I was getting on to the lower scale, lol	[16:18]
mircea_popescu:	he just teleports lol	[16:18]
jurov:	just turn around, put all the tiny scrolls to my mind and do them	[16:19]
diana_coman:	teleport will probab be a way of making this mining hack faster, but ugh	[16:19]
jurov:	if the sweeper is such a problem, can't it mark stuff for removal first?	[16:20]
jurov:	then you can go through it and check whether it's right	[16:20]
chetty:	yeah right, go do manual maintenance on db while I am supposed to be writting code, sounds fun	[16:21]
jurov:	ikr, just piling code to fix bugs is always more fun	[16:22]
chetty:	well guys enough for one day, have fun	[16:22]
diana_coman:	thank you chetty, see you later	[16:23]
jurov:	thanks, too!	[16:23]
diana_coman:	ha ha mircea_popescu it certainly seems to give out different things at different levels of overload or smth	[16:25]
mircea_popescu:	whatcha get ?	[16:25]
diana_coman:	nothing of much interest, but certainly different selection than previously	[16:25]
mircea_popescu:	name them ?	[16:25]
diana_coman:	I still don't have a new skill	[16:25]
mircea_popescu:	oh then how diff selection	[16:26]
diana_coman:	well, at top I got those sparkles and my books	[16:26]
diana_coman:	ah, that shredding thing is the recipe	[16:26]
diana_coman:	so no, sorry, nevermind, got confused with the name, lol	[16:26]
diana_coman:	blah	[16:26]
diana_coman:	I thought the shredding guide was a different thing, lol	[16:27]
diana_coman:	pffft, back to the shredding board	[16:27]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[16:27]
diana_coman:	anyway, I have about 10k of shredding recipes	[16:27]
diana_coman:	so I can certainly do LOTS of tries	[16:28]
diana_coman:	if I do them all and it's still not statistically relevant then…	[16:28]
mircea_popescu:	curious.	[16:28]
diana_coman:	lol, so far it's nothing or a few shredding recipes for the very bottom, more shredding recipes as I increased, then more shredding plus a few of my books, then even more shredding plus more books plus the sparkle on occasion, then more of those basically (did several trials of each "level" so far, but well, it doesn't yet add up to too much, true	[16:42]
diana_coman:	I still find it funny :))	[16:43]
diana_coman:	and obv, it might just hit the jackpot anywhere	[16:43]
mircea_popescu:	eulora getting a restart in 15	[21:02]
mod6:	ah, did I crash ze server?	[22:17]
mircea_popescu:	kemme see	[22:33]
mircea_popescu:	mod6 done	[22:42]
mod6:	nice	[23:45]
mod6:	i dunno what i did to it, i was just walking around and mining.	[23:45]
mod6:	might hvae clicked one too many times tho	[23:45]

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