| danielpbarron: | crashed | [00:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah | [00:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | back up now danielpbarron | [00:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | i wish i knew wtf this is. | [00:25] |
| danielpbarron: | i think server is down, but it has a ping on the login page | [00:52] |
| danielpbarron: | was acting funny so I tried to relog | [00:53] |
| danielpbarron: | won't let me log back in, says "The server is not running or is not reachable." | [00:53] |
| danielpbarron: | probably keys again. one of the last things I did was put keys in storage | [00:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. | [00:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | try now ? | [00:56] |
| danielpbarron: | now works | [00:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | it was actually being ddos'd. | [00:56] |
| diana_coman: | mornings | [01:18] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha mircea_popescu you crashed the server by running around the craft-table? | [01:23] |
| hanbot: | ftr at crashtime i was right clicking on heina | [01:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | omfg stop fucking with the keys | [01:24] |
| hanbot: | no dirt skatin' around! | [01:24] |
| hanbot: | i had locked a tiny like 1 min ago but otherwise no key activity...? | [01:24] |
| diana_coman: | me neither | [01:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. /me pulls his hair | [01:25] |
| diana_coman: | unless whatever, the keys had their own activity in my inventory or smth | [01:25] |
| danielpbarron: | it crashed right as i logged back in after logging out to fix a graphical glitch | [01:25] |
| hanbot: | keynspiracy | [01:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | whgen this bug is found ima dedicate an afternoon to slowstomping it | [01:25] |
| diana_coman: | I also had again that shitty graphical glitch when the character is at an odd angle and it almost jumps rather than walking | [01:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway server back in 10 mins | [01:26] |
| hanbot: | ty mircea_popescu | [01:26] |
| hanbot: | diana_coman i did a real life impersonation of that walk on the street the other day | [01:26] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw, it seems to have to do with getting out of the right position or something, as first person camera was basically not first person anymore | [01:26] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha | [01:26] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot that must be the best bug report ever | [01:26] |
| hanbot: | :D | [01:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | up | [01:27] |
| diana_coman: | wow, I'm back all the way, lol | [01:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | hot damn... | [01:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i got dc'd just as i was alwamost done with an improved craft | [01:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | FIFTH FUCKING TIME TODAY | [01:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | 10 minutes --> 1 hour :((( | [01:51] |
| diana_coman: | now I don't always get exp points in gathering while gathering? | [02:13] |
| diana_coman: | (exploring) | [02:13] |
| chetty: | a couple people have mentioned this but I cant recreate it, any further info on how/when it happens would be appreciated | [02:16] |
| diana_coman: | it happened now with an improved cruddy hoe | [02:16] |
| diana_coman: | it was working fine earlier, not really sure what is different other than that I changed tool | [02:16] |
| diana_coman: | well, exploring and NOT finding anything | [02:16] |
| diana_coman: | so no claim | [02:16] |
| chetty: | ahh well maybe it is something with that tool, I think jurov mentioned that, but then later it worked .. | [02:17] |
| diana_coman: | it was also like hiccups: sometimes it WOULD give exp | [02:17] |
| diana_coman: | just...like once per every 4-6 tries | [02:18] |
| diana_coman: | and it seems to be related to that tool somehow, chetty, as I changed the tool and no problem, switched back to it and again problems | [02:20] |
| diana_coman: | it's actually an improved cruddy hoe | [02:20] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw | [02:20] |
| chetty: | ok thanks, I'll try to debug that some today | [02:22] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, scratch that: now I get some glitches with a pickaxe too... | [02:22] |
| diana_coman: | unless it's again those damned messages and some get lost on the way | [02:22] |
| diana_coman: | as it happens apparently some times with those mod messages for the bundle | [02:23] |
| danielpbarron: | chetty> a couple people have mentioned this but I cant recreate it << sometimes i "get no experience" and then later it shows up when I hadn't /explored | [02:25] |
| danielpbarron: | laggy experience | [02:25] |
| danielpbarron: | going by what outputs to the in-game chat box | [02:25] |
| danielpbarron: | not any sophisticated debug output | [02:25] |
| danielpbarron: | welp i guess i crashed it again | [02:29] |
| danielpbarron: | i feel like it happens a lot when i go over to the NPCs after /exploring for a while | [02:30] |
| danielpbarron: | i had just trained one skill and was about to do another | [02:30] |
| danielpbarron: | crashed inbetween trainings | [02:31] |
| chetty: | up again, this is really odd, I cant figure out why its always you, and always something to do with keys | [02:31] |
| danielpbarron: | as far as i know, I have only "new" keys now | [02:32] |
| danielpbarron: | oh i noticed that my keys that have turned into bits of nothing in my storage, retain the key description including the type of claim and the coordinates | [02:32] |
| danielpbarron: | the resulting bits of nothing can not be stacked | [02:33] |
| danielpbarron: | i have not attempted to use any of them | [02:33] |
| hanbot: | fwiw i hit an /explore right about when it crashed, didn't see any 'you got' messages. on reset, i have a new key in my inventory, says crafter is MM | [02:34] |
| danielpbarron: | sucks that it probably interrupted mp's crafting again; guess i can't trade for those CFTs tonight | [02:34] |
| hanbot: | (and that key is indeed for the marker i apparently found from that pre-crash /explore) | [02:35] |
| chetty: | that could create problems down the line, that key may never go away | [02:37] |
| chetty: | is anyone else keeping keys in storage? danielpbarron has to be doing something different that it is always him and the keys | [02:39] |
| diana_coman: | I certainly have some keys in storage too | [02:39] |
| hanbot: | i don't | [02:39] |
| hanbot: | actually apparently all tiny claim keys i get are MM-crafter branded | [02:46] |
| hanbot: | and the berries i dug up earlier tonight (from own claims) say daniel barron crafted 'em haha | [02:46] |
| diana_coman: | I still have the no-exp problem, so it wasn't dueg to the crash or somethin | [02:50] |
| chetty: | going to take server down for a couple minutes to try and pin down crashes cause if no one objects | [03:50] |
| chetty: | done | [03:54] |
| chetty: | server reset coming up | [08:04] |
| chetty: | done | [08:05] |
| mod6: | chetty: so as far as the "doesn't give exp when gathering" problem; a few things I've noticed while farming. Typically I'll start with a new tool, doesn't matter which, and it'll be giving exp just fine. Another pre-condition here is that server lag is low. And as I move along and mine (/explore) every 30 seconds or so, it'll mostly give me the exp. But as the tool wears down, then it seems to me that it starts to skip exp. | [10:17] |
| mod6: | It seems to me this is especially true right before it runs out. As well as success of /explore, goes way down -- which may be by design. | [10:17] |
| mod6: | This also can seem to rear its head if there is signifigant server lag. Maybe a race condition somewhere? | [10:18] |
| mod6: | Anyway, just my 0.00000002 ecu worth :] | [10:19] |
| mod6: | thanks for all your hard work | [10:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | \x08<\x08diana_coman\x08>\x08\x0F unless it's again those damned messages and some get lost on the way << honestly this seems by far the most probable explanation. | [10:28] |
| mod6: | ah. | [10:31] |
| mod6: | makes sense. | [10:31] |
| mod6: | aside from the weird "you struggle under the weight of your inventory" problem, everything else worked pretty good for me yesterday. | [10:32] |
| lobbesbot: | New post: http://trilema.com/category/smg/feed/ Eulora Sunday Event - July the 19th <http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-sunday-event-july-the-19th/> | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov prolly get a kick out of ^ | [10:38] |
| chetty: | is keeping an eye on danielpbarron so see if he still has magic keys that crash us | [10:39] |
| chetty: | and btw how is lag there atm? | [10:40] |
| mod6: | lemme hop in and check | [10:48] |
| mod6: | seems fine :] | [10:49] |
| mod6: | new sunday event \o/ | [10:49] |
| danielpbarron: | lag is ok | [10:50] |
| chetty: | server reset in 5 if no one objects | [11:21] |
| mod6: | fine by me. | [11:25] |
| chetty: | done | [11:26] |
| chetty: | cross your fingers I might have fixed the key crash issue | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | o wow wd! | [12:06] |
| danielpbarron: | crashed! | [12:28] |
| chetty: | up now | [12:29] |
| sueastside: | chetty: isn't the PS core TCP only? | [12:32] |
| chetty: | uh, not sure what you are asking, they have a fairly complete networking protocol, although it is on our list of things to change | [12:37] |
| chetty: | server about to be reset unless someone objects | [12:39] |
| sueastside: | refering to the lost messages above, which could not occur using TCP, which has guaranteed delivery (and it also the cause of the lag issues) | [12:40] |
| danielpbarron: | wait 1 min on reset | [12:41] |
| chetty: | ahh well we got ddos a bit yesterday, not sure what all happened, in fact I have not actually seen any .missing messages by my logs | [12:41] |
| sueastside: | oh ok. | [12:42] |
| chetty: | a few discarded because they got out of sequence .. | [12:42] |
| danielpbarron: | ready | [12:42] |
| chetty: | done and back up | [12:43] |
| chetty: | oh sueastside since you are here, does it matter which the normals are making portals? | [12:44] |
| sueastside: | yes, portals are one sided (like meshes), so the face with the normal pointing out is visible | [12:45] |
| chetty: | hmm but I could put a transparent texture on it :) | [12:47] |
| sueastside: | Oh you just want to use it to teleport? | [12:54] |
| chetty: | I am trying out various uses of portals that might not be entirely 'standard' :) | [13:22] |
| diana_coman: | hello | [14:54] |
| jurov: | hello | [15:01] |
| jurov: | yest i put all my keys to storage, today i got bits o' nothing with crafter randomly everyone | [15:02] |
| jurov: | and the random getting of building/gathering practice points bug persists | [15:02] |
| danielpbarron: | lol i fell into the not-so-well-covered crator in the middle of the island | [15:05] |
| jurov: | try to fall deeper, in the bottom there's tepelort | [15:10] |
| jurov: | teleport | [15:10] |
| chetty: | oh poor danielpbarron I'll move you | [15:10] |
| chetty: | but you need to log out for a move to take properly | [15:10] |
| danielpbarron: | oh no i already teleported | [15:12] |
| danielpbarron: | was just a first for me | [15:12] |
| chetty: | oops | [15:12] |
| jurov: | first time? lol you never tried to go near edge of the map? | [15:13] |
| chetty: | jurov I sure wish you could give more detail, the random getting of ... isnt really very helpful for debugging | [15:13] |
| danielpbarron: | first time falling into that particular hole | [15:14] |
| jurov: | all i can say, that somethimes the points get added right, sometimes at random times | [15:14] |
| jurov: | did not find any pattern yet | [15:14] |
| jurov: | and sometimes not at all | [15:15] |
| diana_coman: | I think some messages are just received out of order/late | [15:15] |
| diana_coman: | I get that they are not lost in transit, indeed, but they are surely not always reliably distributed to listeners on the client | [15:15] |
| chetty: | the network software will throw out a message it thinks is out of sequence, you may not get a message even if the server has given you points if the connection is bad | [15:20] |
| mod6: | check and see if there is anything to mine down there next time dpb :) | [15:23] |
| diana_coman: | that makes perfect sense, chetty | [15:24] |
| jurov: | mod you either get stuck on the rim or fall down and get teleported | [15:24] |
| chetty: | I put the teleport in there after having to rescue jurov a few times :) | [15:26] |
| danielpbarron: | i think the laggy training points can cause tinkering to interrupt and fail | [15:26] |
| chetty: | well lag certainly could, but the training points would be effect not cause | [15:28] |
| jurov: | do i keep moving slower and slower or it's just my imagination? | [15:28] |
| chetty: | thought you flew around jurov? | [15:32] |
| jurov: | twas long ago | [15:33] |
| chetty: | well I havent screwed with velocity | [15:33] |
| jurov: | i logged in, walked across the map, mined some and find out walking back suspiciously slow | [15:34] |
| chetty: | stamina? | [15:35] |
| mod6: | < jurov> mod you either get stuck on the rim or fall down and get teleported << awe. i was trollin' anyway | [15:35] |
| jurov: | maybe, i died and seems bit better | [15:36] |
| jurov: | will measure next time | [15:36] |
| jurov: | danielpbarron: these keys that turn to bits of nothing are usually not problematic for me and can be used for tiny claims fine | [15:38] |
| chetty: | >> chetty was responding to jurovs question about where they will come form when the merchant is no more :P | [15:40] |
| danielpbarron: | i wish they would stack | [15:45] |
| danielpbarron: | the converted bits of nothing | [15:45] |
| chetty: | still working on that | [15:46] |
| danielpbarron: | aha if that's in the works then i'll just hold off on trying to use them | [15:47] |
| danielpbarron: | has like 10k bits or something | [15:47] |
| chetty: | lmao | [15:48] |
| chetty: | its not high on the list at this moment, so I wouldnt wait on it | [15:49] |
| diana_coman: | chetty, my 293 flotsam is gone :( | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | or it went invisible | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | I dropped it | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | but it's nowhere to be seen | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | sometimes it used to get a bit burried and difficult to find | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | but now it's either really deeply burried | [15:53] |
| diana_coman: | or really missing | [15:53] |
| jurov: | danielpbarron: you can use them, thay just won't stack | [15:53] |
| diana_coman: | yes, truly very deeply burried, I barely got a teeny tiny corner of the label sticking out when tilting at odd angles :( | [15:54] |
| diana_coman: | phew, got it, but that was almost calling for a temporary move to the other side of the island, lol | [15:56] |
| chetty: | ow, glad you got it :) | [15:57] |
| jurov: | lesson? don't drop too heavy items :D | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, no jurov | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | the trouble is when you drop them on a hill basically | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | on the side of the hill | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | but well, if one needs to go up the hill with a bunch of flotsam... | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | crash? | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | I was dropping keys, chetty | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | but recent keys really | [16:12] |
| danielpbarron: | ya crash | [16:12] |
| danielpbarron: | was tinkering | [16:12] |
| chetty: | yeah keys sniff | [16:14] |
| chetty: | I am running out of ways to tackle these frackingkeys | [16:15] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw chetty, it seems to me that what happened this time might be that the sweeper became active on those keys while I was dropping them | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | as now I got bits of nothing in my inventory for those that I did not get to throw out | [16:29] |
| chetty: | yeah I think thats right, still I need to find a way to protect against that, I think you moved it while it was being updated | [16:31] |
| chetty: | did everyone read the about the sunday event? | [17:20] |
| jurov: | yes. but i don't know why i'm supposed to get kick of it | [17:21] |
| diana_coman: | I've read it chetty :) | [17:22] |
| jurov: | "do something mysterious lucky" "there will be some new mysterious skills" all these secrets kinda wore me off | [17:24] |
| diana_coman: | the "one magical bit of nothing" sounds like a prize for the ...really faithful :)) | [17:24] |
| chetty: | hahaha indeed it does, I gotta find some time to actually play ... | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | uhm jurov, I think it's not meant to be something mysterious to do really | [17:25] |
| chetty: | the downside of game dev ... | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | chetty that's how/why I don't advance much on the bot: I play the game instead :))) | [17:26] |
| jurov: | so you thik it's mine and craft as usual and you'll eventually get it? | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [17:26] |
| chetty: | yeah but if dontkeep fixing stuff people will start yelling .. | [17:26] |
| jurov: | "may be acquired through particularly lucky activity " | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | but well, I'm not sure what "as usual" means for you | [17:26] |
| chetty: | well knowingmp might be just laying around again too | [17:27] |
| diana_coman: | yes, meaning that you need some luck too, which is anyway how you get good/better than average loot in any case | [17:27] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, I seriously doubt it | [17:27] |
| chetty: | which is exactly why it might happen :P | [17:28] |
| diana_coman: | the post reads ... | [17:28] |
| diana_coman: | I get what you mean chetty | [17:28] |
| diana_coman: | it might happen, true | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | I just said I seriously doubt it | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | that's all :) | [17:29] |
| chetty: | well maybe I'll take sunday off and play all day :) | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | relaxing on an island by the name of eulora - sounds good really :) | [17:31] |
| danielpbarron: | i like the game a lot better now that things take time | [18:27] |
| diana_coman: | out of curiosity danielpbarron: what is the longest it took for you so far to do/make something in game? | [18:39] |
| danielpbarron: | that would have to be... this Demeaning Urabihs Harness I'm wearing right now | [18:45] |
| danielpbarron: | oh what timing | [18:45] |
| danielpbarron: | if you factor in the time it took for the parts, it's especially the longest for me | [18:45] |
| danielpbarron: | but even the final tinker itself I think was at least a minute if not a few | [18:46] |
| danielpbarron: | the oil also takes a while | [18:46] |
| danielpbarron: | these are things I have made since actions started taking up time | [18:47] |
| danielpbarron: | I have probably made more complex things that would now take even longer, but when I made them it happened nearly instantly | [18:47] |
| danielpbarron: | like the pickaxe | [18:47] |
| danielpbarron: | or the bandar toolkit | [18:47] |
| danielpbarron: | I haven't been able to make these things again, since the world got limits | [18:48] |
| danielpbarron: | it's like ascii's complaint with input devices that have no feedback, like touch screens | [18:48] |
| danielpbarron: | a world with no constraints such as time | [18:49] |
| danielpbarron: | everything felt so exhausting even though they were taking less effort | [18:49] |
| danielpbarron: | now I can do other things while playing -- just tab away from game when some action is taking too long | [18:51] |
| danielpbarron: | my inventory appears to have a secret hidden spot somewhere | [19:18] |
| danielpbarron: | i have 3 mining techs stacked somewhere | [19:18] |
| danielpbarron: | thought they got erased because my inventory was full | [19:18] |
| danielpbarron: | but they are in the list for storing things | [19:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov twas long ago << ahaha so cute! | [20:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov i logged in, walked across the map, mined some and find out walking back suspiciously slow << left control switches run/walk by default. | [20:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i know it pissed me off too till i figured it out. | [20:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-07-15.log.html#t19:40:13 << bits have actually been craftable since bouquinism. | [20:40] |
| mod6: | < mircea_popescu> i know it pissed me off too till i figured it out. << that one didn't bother me as much as the TAB key ;) | [20:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's that do again ? | [20:43] |
| mod6: | all of a sudden, camera going everywhich way. | [20:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron i like the game a lot better now that things take time << me too. | [20:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh oh. yeah. confusing | [20:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron my inventory appears to have a secret hidden spot somewhere << your right hand. | [20:44] |
| danielpbarron: | my right hand had/has a pickaxe in it | [20:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | if your inventory overflows you get all sorts of items precariously balanced in your right hand | [20:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | take pickaxe off, there they come. | [20:46] |
| danielpbarron: | oh | [20:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov : re kick - people will conceivably want coppers to bid with. | [20:47] |
| mod6: | needs moar ecu | [21:02] |
| danielpbarron: | crashed | [22:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | darn | [22:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems it was my char that did it. | [22:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | back | [22:25] |
| mod6: | thyme to mine | [22:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe | [22:30] |
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