| danielpbarron: | crashed | [00:33] |
| danielpbarron: | chetty, you around? | [00:34] |
| alt072: | about the gfx problems, didn't have much time on fixing that yesterday | [02:51] |
| alt072: | but laptop is generally slow anyway, not just with the game | [02:51] |
| alt072: | so I'm working on setting up another machine before trying again | [02:52] |
| danielpbarron: | alternatively, there is a quick fix that might get your framerate up on your laptop | [02:52] |
| alt072: | the h12_linux thing you said? | [02:52] |
| alt072: | is it just me, or has trilema been down a lot lately? | [02:53] |
| danielpbarron: | alt072, http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-07-21.log.html#t16:30:27 | [02:53] |
| lobbesbot: | #Eulora log for Tuesday, 2015-07-21 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [02:53] |
| danielpbarron: | i haven't noticed trilema being down | [02:53] |
| danielpbarron: | i know qntra was getting ddos'd recently | [02:54] |
| alt072: | thanks, i'll bookmark that one | [02:54] |
| alt072: | has been for me since at least yesterday | [02:54] |
| chetty: | morning | [05:27] |
| diana_coman: | morning chetty | [05:28] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu I can't seem to be able to access trilema at all | [05:28] |
| diana_coman: | yesterday it was the same | [05:28] |
| diana_coman: | so I can't see the shop nor the post about the event today (I suppose that's what it is about) | [05:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman yeah you seem to be trying exactly when whatever random derp's trying to ddos it. | [05:30] |
| diana_coman: | ahaha, my usual luck at work | [05:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | heck, mod6 was complimenting me on it yest. | [05:32] |
| diana_coman: | on the ddos? lol | [05:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | on the artiucles you can't read. | [05:33] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, well...can't read -> can't compliment :p | [05:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | incidentally, this along with everything else is just adding to that old pile of "accessibility's always a bad idea". | [05:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | someone came up with the bright fucking idea of "teach all kids to read and write", as a result we got dickens and austen. | [05:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | someone came up with the bright fucking idea of "oh everyone has a right to internet", as a result we got ddos and the shitpile that is "web". | [05:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | someone came up with the bright fucking idea of "oh everyone should have a computer", here comes windows. | [05:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | bad fucking ideas, all of them. | [05:35] |
| jurov: | yeah, since someone came with the bright fucking idea to crawl out of the oceans, everything went to shit | [05:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | mno. | [05:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | that part was fine | [05:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | not stomping on the face of the other fish "because humanity" however resulted in a lot of marshland. | [05:57] |
| jurov: | easy for you to say, you had the means to resist the stomping since 3 if i read your correctly | [06:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, im sure it wouldn't be fair. | [06:00] |
| jurov: | maybe even came out of the womb fully formed, i dunno | [06:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | unfortunately, the alternative is no better. | [06:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm trading no long tail for any sort of short tail guarantees. | [06:01] |
| diana_coman: | I guess the debate is whether you can really get only lush plains and perky mountains without any marshland basically | [06:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is the typical "we want all your revenue past 1mn in exchange for 100 a day" | [06:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | no deal. | [06:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman no, because the bar does not scale up. | [06:01] |
| jurov: | [citation needed] | [06:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm ? | [06:02] |
| diana_coman: | is eulora server up? | [06:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | looks | [06:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh didja kill it ? | [06:03] |
| diana_coman: | only by trying to connect to it maybe :))) | [06:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | well i guess my crafting must have killed it then. | [06:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | back up | [06:04] |
| diana_coman: | ok, thanks | [06:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | this brings into active status two changes : shavings are now tinkering not mcguyver | [06:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | and cheap rings lapidary not tinker | [06:05] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [06:05] |
| diana_coman: | why? | [06:05] |
| diana_coman: | btw, need anything mcguyvered? | [06:05] |
| jurov: | i myself was often sick child, then almost deaf, people doubted i could manage the usual elementary school | [06:06] |
| jurov: | obviously was a bad idea to teach me read and write etc. | [06:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | bah. there goes a sharp slag ;/ | [06:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov how's sick to do with what's discussed herew ? | [06:07] |
| jurov: | how else do you determine? | [06:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | it was a bad idea to teach random "pr expert" / "web designer" / what have you to read and write, in all likelyhood. | [06:08] |
| jurov: | due to all of tht, i *was* considered retarded, by many then | [06:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov you determine exactly like we determine in ba. | [06:08] |
| jurov: | post-hoc, i see? | [06:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah well, don't saddle me with the inept selection processes of the inhabitants of retardworld. | [06:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | "good software could never exist because the companies writing bad softwarew would never hire the people to do it!!" wtf is htis. | [06:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | if random derps weren't taught to read and write just because drawing breath, random derps wouldn't be there to opine whether you were or not retarded | [06:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | much to your benefit. | [06:09] |
| jurov: | that's completely useless argument | [06:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | useless it may be. | [06:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman they were mcguyver before mostly by mistake. they don't belong there in any case. | [06:11] |
| diana_coman: | mod6 now I found AE on the starting beach, at 98 33 379 | [06:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh speaking of that map, mod6 : i was completely unab le to find any SB anywhere on that grassy knoll. i found some in the sandy valley connecting it to the mainland, but the entire grassy area was off limits for me. | [06:11] |
| diana_coman: | ok, mircea_popescu still after wpl? anything else? have any tools and/or toolkits? need any mcguyvering done? | [06:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe someone withg better skill can investigate wtf is thewre. | [06:11] |
| diana_coman: | I did find SB there, so that is ok | [06:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman lemme paste to you the content of that shop page one secx | [06:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman you found sb on the grass ? | [06:12] |
| diana_coman: | maybe you either got the wrong grassy knoll or the wrong moment | [06:12] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [06:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | no.fucking.way. | [06:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | 20 tries i did, none hit. | [06:12] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [06:12] |
| diana_coman: | weird | [06:12] |
| diana_coman: | I'll go there again now then and have a look | [06:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://dpaste.com/312XETD < relevant shop section | [06:14] |
| lobbesbot: | dpaste: 312XETD (at dpaste.com) | [06:14] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, so how does it work, is it an auction ? I make an offer and then...wait ? | [06:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you pay the price yo ugot it. if not, leave an offer. | [06:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, "x or best offer" | [06:17] |
| diana_coman: | oh, I see | [06:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | kinda how this sort of context works out irl. | [06:17] |
| diana_coman: | ok, will take 2 toolkit bundles at that price | [06:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | (yes, /me has been having a lot of fun thinking about and trying to transform the mechanisms of irl finance into eulora as is. this "what would X mean in Y" thing being one of the most dearly loved games of the anthropologist) | [06:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's only 1. | [06:18] |
| diana_coman: | loool | [06:18] |
| diana_coman: | ok then | [06:18] |
| diana_coman: | and an offer for all sticks at 500k each | [06:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | alrighty. moving in game | [06:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | you in town ? | [06:19] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, I was going to check the sb, but will head back | [06:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme know if you actually find sb on that grass. | [06:37] |
| diana_coman: | I certainly did yesterday | [06:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | nuts. | [06:52] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu I can confirm: I still get sb there | [08:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | nuts. wtf. | [08:10] |
| diana_coman: | do you have any coords where you tried? | [08:10] |
| diana_coman: | interesting: there seems to be a small blind spot now, maybe you really hit exactly that? | [08:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | i covered most of the peninsula, really. did 20 tries. | [08:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe it was out when i hit it or who the fuck knows | [08:23] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, i'll buy the solid branches, coarse frangible thread, slag, leaky treebark flasks, the chetty sticks | [08:27] |
| danielpbarron: | and i got stuff to sell | [08:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana already got the chetty sticks | [08:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | she paid 500k per, tho i was selling the package for 750k total o.O | [08:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | couldn't resist. | [08:27] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron what are you selling? | [08:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway danielpbarron seee me in game, you get the rest. | [08:28] |
| danielpbarron: | k | [08:28] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, stuff for mp | [08:29] |
| danielpbarron: | shaped slag | [08:29] |
| danielpbarron: | used tools | [08:29] |
| diana_coman: | oh, ok | [08:29] |
| diana_coman: | anything new from the altar? | [08:29] |
| diana_coman: | ah, and mircea_popescu as the map says, there is sg afterwards on that peninsula at the end - the sg might be a bit more elusive | [08:38] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha: I got a small ennumeration which however was nowhere to be seen (possibly due to full inventory, but it did not even flow into the hand at all) | [08:48] |
| diana_coman: | still, I was able to "find" it by asking it directly to equip it | [08:48] |
| danielpbarron: | yes there are other hidden inventory slots i'm pretty sure | [08:53] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm not sure the hand-overflow is considered part of the inventory | [08:54] |
| danielpbarron: | i recall not being able to put stuff directly from it to storage | [08:54] |
| danielpbarron: | had to first click them out of the hand and into a real spot | [08:54] |
| chetty: | well we try not to have you actually lose stuff ...now where it goes is a mystery :P | [08:58] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, the bot seems to be a bit too quick asking the server for stuff from storage, not sure what to do about it | [09:17] |
| chetty: | When is the event on? | [10:05] |
| diana_coman: | it's a psGuiStorageMessage to retrieve some items and I noticed that this can happen manually too really | [10:13] |
| diana_coman: | like if you click too fast | [10:13] |
| diana_coman: | the client does not update quickly enough | [10:13] |
| diana_coman: | and you get messages "storage does not have..." | [10:13] |
| diana_coman: | tbh it's a semi-issue only in the sense that well, if one has just one pile of each ingredient in storage, then the bot just takes what it needs and everything is fine | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | the trouble is when you have say 3 piles with 1, 2 and 3 items and the bot needs 6 items | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | it will ask first for 1 from the first pile, then immediately next for 2 from the second pile and then 3 from the third pile | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | and it seems to get the "storage does not have..." thing | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | I might leave it like this for now | [10:15] |
| chetty: | well moving stuff in and out of storage requires some table locking so ... | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I get it, that's why I said that for the time being it might just be this way and that's it | [10:16] |
| chetty: | any improvements on my end would risk creating items that arent there | [10:17] |
| diana_coman: | I can think of some workarounds for this, but I don't think they are worth the trouble right now | [10:18] |
| diana_coman: | will see later maybe | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | I guess I'll just force it to reset and try again basically, even though this means it will keep trying if it truly is out of ingredients, hmmm | [10:59] |
| chetty: | 3 stikes and you are out? | [11:01] |
| diana_coman: | I guess that would be the only option reall | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | really | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | yet another flag, ugh | [11:05] |
| diana_coman: | ha, how nicely it stopped when the container was too worn to be useful... | [11:06] |
| chetty: | oh, now thats cool | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | chetty, is there any kind of message sent when target is randomly lost? | [11:18] |
| diana_coman: | apparently this target loss still happens and I can't catch it if nothing is sent really | [11:18] |
| diana_coman: | :( | [11:18] |
| diana_coman: | I re-target after combining, just to make sure | [11:19] |
| diana_coman: | but if it just loses target while crafting (hence, after the bundle) there is no way for the bot to even know it :( | [11:19] |
| diana_coman: | it's as if really the only reliable way is to ignore the messages and just rely on timing instead, a kind of macro-in-code kind of thing | [11:19] |
| chetty: | well asking for a negative is kinda bad. you could maybe pickup if it has somehow changed target, but just losing it is a non-action | [11:39] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I know, but it's really nothing I can do | [11:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | target is a client side thing tho neh ? | [11:43] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: how can I know that it just lost target | [11:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | not like server tells you what your target is | [11:43] |
| diana_coman: | uhm | [11:44] |
| diana_coman: | thing is: given that I have no idea how/why it loses target randomly when crafting | [11:46] |
| diana_coman: | I don't really see how can I address that | [11:47] |
| diana_coman: | I guess I could intercept useraction messages that supposedly are sent when targeting | [11:47] |
| diana_coman: | but that would work only when the target is lost because of targeting something else | [11:47] |
| diana_coman: | which I don't think truly is the case | [11:47] |
| diana_coman: | at least not all the time | [11:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't think anyone knows wtf all that client does | [11:49] |
| diana_coman: | I guess I can try to *lock* the target | [11:49] |
| diana_coman: | hoping it actually works... | [11:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | but does it have a class or anything that tells you what the target is ? | [11:50] |
| diana_coman: | well, it does a lot of bullshit for sure | [11:50] |
| diana_coman: | there is a method that supposedly returns the target, yes | [11:50] |
| diana_coman: | but what? am I going to poll it ? | [11:50] |
| diana_coman: | it's like this: I target, I "use" the target | [11:51] |
| diana_coman: | so the crafting starts | [11:51] |
| diana_coman: | and then I just wait until a message comes that it's done | [11:51] |
| diana_coman: | now if while I wait the target is mysteriously lost | [11:51] |
| diana_coman: | how the hell can I know? | [11:51] |
| diana_coman: | will try this locking thing, maybe it works | [11:51] |
| chetty: | same problem the server has ... but it only asks when it needs to do a calculation based on it | [11:51] |
| diana_coman: | that's the only solution I can see so far | [11:51] |
| chetty: | << has been toying with idea of freezing players while they are crafting | [11:52] |
| diana_coman: | apparently this locking thing is used ONLY when you talk to an npc, lol | [11:53] |
| diana_coman: | I think it was working in the sense that I could not get away without pressing "bye" | [11:53] |
| diana_coman: | so hopefully that will do it once and for all | [11:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | nb. | [11:53] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, so target locked, but still lost | [12:16] |
| diana_coman: | wonderful | [12:16] |
| diana_coman: | as best as I can tell, the issues have to do with switching tabs really | [12:21] |
| diana_coman: | but I have no idea what to do about it really | [12:21] |
| diana_coman: | can anyone tell me briefly what's this evening's event about? I can't seem to get any luck to read that post on trilema, lol | [12:34] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, mod6? | [12:35] |
| jurov: | i only remember that anone can ask a question | [12:36] |
| diana_coman: | for like, receiving... information? O.O | [12:36] |
| chetty: | yes, as I recall it was 1 question from the Oracle | [12:40] |
| jurov: | don't remember any conditions.. only that it's one q and offer is involved | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | what are the coordinates where I'll find magical dungbeetles if I dig? | [12:41] |
| chetty: | hahaha, why not ask for slithy toves ? | [12:42] |
| diana_coman: | I should get those if the bot is fine | [12:42] |
| diana_coman: | so well, switching on to next thing, lol | [12:42] |
| chetty: | I am not very confident realy answeres will be forth coming, there was also a long hack of 'The Raven' ...the one that keeps saying, Nevermore | [12:43] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, that's why I asked this question, as I seriously doubt getting any actually useful information, lol | [12:43] |
| chetty: | wonderful poem really, but not exactly happy | [12:44] |
| diana_coman: | well, I know the original version and I quite like it, happy or not | [12:44] |
| diana_coman: | since I can't seem to be able to access and read mp's version... | [12:46] |
| diana_coman: | I can't even guess, lol | [12:46] |
| chetty: | it wasnt bad, I enjoyed it | [12:52] |
| thestringpuller: | chetty: PwrSrg should be emailing you the stats you need on your models today/tomorrow. | [13:14] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman> can anyone tell me briefly what's this evening's event about? << anyone can turn in one of my sacrifice tokens in exchange for asking a question | [13:39] |
| danielpbarron: | and i have a bunch of tokens | [13:39] |
| danielpbarron: | for sale i guess, if the price is right | [13:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [13:48] |
| diana_coman: | thanks danielpbarron | [14:21] |
| danielpbarron: | http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/tinker.txt | [16:36] |
| mod6: | < diana_coman> mod6 now I found AE on the starting beach, at 98 33 379 << ah ok. | [16:56] |
| mod6: | < mircea_popescu> oh speaking of that map, mod6 : i was completely unab le to find any SB anywhere on that grassy knoll. i found some in the sandy valley connecting it to the mainland, but the entire grassy area was off limits for me. << huh, this is interesting. | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | mod6 I think mp's problem was one of timing really | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | like a few moments ago I could barely find ANY flotsam | [16:57] |
| mod6: | hmm | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | where it usually is, lol | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | and I insisted there, it's still flotsam I ended up with | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | not something else unfortunately | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | trilema is up, lol | [17:12] |
| diana_coman: | or at least I caught it up for once | [17:12] |
| jurov: | mod6: mark elusive snails at 214,38 | [17:12] |
| mod6: | ok thanks | [17:12] |
| jurov: | lotta of them | [17:13] |
| danielpbarron: | crashed | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | I was wondering whether it was just my connection again | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron how much do you sell the tokens for? | [17:39] |
| chetty: | up | [17:40] |
| diana_coman: | mod6 I found wwb in the sands further inland from where one starts, at -43 41 225 | [18:11] |
| mod6: | ok thanks diana_coman | [19:03] |
| mod6: | :] | [19:03] |
| diana_coman: | np :) | [19:04] |
| mod6: | Hey All! | [19:28] |
| diana_coman: | hello mod6 | [19:28] |
| mod6: | Sunday's Oracle event is starting up ! | [19:28] |
| diana_coman: | oh | [19:28] |
| mod6: | Meet us in "town" to ask a question to the wise and powerful oracle. | [19:28] |
| diana_coman: | and get a clever and mocking answer in return | [19:29] |
| mod6: | Daniel P. Barron has the tokens of sacrifice if he's still willing to trade/sell 'em. | [19:29] |
| diana_coman: | he said 1mil per when I asked | [19:29] |
| mod6: | 1M? | [19:29] |
| danielpbarron: | ya | [19:30] |
| diana_coman: | mod6? | [20:33] |
| lobbesbot: | New post: http://trilema.com/category/smg/feed/ The previous event, the next event, the forever event. <http://trilema.com/2015/the-previous-event-the-next-event-the-forever-event/> | [22:33] |
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