| diana_coman: | wow, "you can't store more than 200 stacks in a single category" | [04:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [04:26] |
| jurov: | diana_coman: it's from storage? | [04:35] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw the gathering exp is now better, but still patchy at times | [04:35] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I had apparently 200 different stacks of patterns... | [04:35] |
| diana_coman: | I stacked them together now and it's ok | [04:36] |
| diana_coman: | in the worst case I guess I would start using some claim as storage too | [04:36] |
| jurov: | or pay someone to store them for you :D | [04:37] |
| diana_coman: | looool | [04:37] |
| diana_coman: | can you imagine NOT being able to get your stuff because the guy you paid for storage is not online? | [04:38] |
| diana_coman: | geez | [04:38] |
| jurov: | imo in future versions of clients everyone will be online all the time, usually running on some crafting script | [04:39] |
| diana_coman: | well, I can't do that for instance, since I am a lot of time travelling atm (hence, no computer left running) | [04:40] |
| diana_coman: | and anyway, online but afk is still offline for storage purpose | [04:40] |
| jurov: | some npc-like behavior will do | [04:41] |
| jurov: | maybe grundin will have it someday for the copper trading | [04:41] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, another npc-storage-bot player-programmed, lol | [04:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | ladies and grundinmen, your attention please! | [04:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ | [04:45] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha mp, you know what? my wm sell for more to the merchant | [04:46] |
| diana_coman: | so maybe some price based on base value for wm too? | [04:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | more than 1k ?! | [04:48] |
| diana_coman: | yep, last time I checked I could have sold them for 1089 | [04:48] |
| diana_coman: | will check again as soon as I am back in the village | [04:48] |
| diana_coman: | right now I'm gathering branches, lol | [04:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | holy shit you're good o.O | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, updated | [04:49] |
| diana_coman: | against most odds as it were, yeah :)) | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | didn't expect anyone was actually getting them over 100 q | [04:49] |
| diana_coman: | yes, they are over 100q | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | wd. | [04:50] |
| jurov: | interesting. apparently merchant won't buy my shrooms at all | [04:54] |
| chetty: | morning folks | [04:55] |
| diana_coman: | interesting approach for pricing crafted precursors | [04:55] |
| diana_coman: | sounds like a good deal for beginners to actually make and sell those rather than basic harvestables | [04:55] |
| jurov: | how do i compute the worth of, say, slag of q 100? | [05:00] |
| jurov: | worth = base value | [05:00] |
| jurov: | 5* + 3* and these are how much? | [05:05] |
| jurov: | if both are 100 then it's 500+300 total am I correct? | [05:07] |
| jurov: | mircea_popescu: ^ | [05:17] |
| jurov: | by same calc, base value of Leaky trebark Flask is 4400 not 4070 | [05:27] |
| jurov: | if everything here is worth 100 ('Spicy Moss': 1, 'Shiny Rock': 12, 'Flotsam': 24, 'Rotten Fruit': 3, 'Coarse Frangible Thread': 3, 'Crumbly Rock': 1) | [05:27] |
| jurov: | also, what is base value for recipe? | [05:29] |
| jurov: | chetty i'm tinkering only for a hour and still getting gathering points, i hope i don't seal them from anybody | [06:10] |
| jurov: | *steal | [06:10] |
| chetty: | well jurov I am still working on this issue | [06:11] |
| jurov: | thumbs up! | [06:18] |
| jurov: | and while this happens, I can't finish making clump of slag, stays a bundle, retrying third time... | [06:19] |
| jurov: | .. and nothing | [06:23] |
| jurov: | moved it instide the table, it eventually finished | [06:26] |
| chetty: | I do believe the two things are related .. | [06:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov well you look at what merchant offers to pay basically | [06:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | and yes if both are 100 then 5+3 = 800 | [06:55] |
| jurov: | as i wrote, it does not offer | [06:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | for what, flotsam ?! | [06:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | storage also shows you qual adjusted base values, when you go to store. | [06:56] |
| jurov: | flotsam, yes. but not interested in my mushrooms, apparently | [06:56] |
| jurov: | and storage shows value 773 for q=94 shrooms | [06:57] |
| jurov: | no idea how was that "adjustment" computed | [06:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | q94 or q 99 ? | [06:58] |
| jurov: | 94 | [06:59] |
| jurov: | just checked | [06:59] |
| jurov: | er.. 733 sorry | [06:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then. 733÷.94 = 779.787234043 | [07:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | hence 780 | [07:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | and following this logic, slag q 100 would be, 5 flotsam of 100 (88 each) + 3 shiny rock of 100 (79 each) 5 * 88 + 3 * 79 = 677 | [07:04] |
| jurov: | 677 is base value or what would merchant show? | [07:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | these aren't different. | [07:07] |
| jurov: | and where come the numbers 88 and 79 from? | [07:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | same process you got the number 780 from | [07:07] |
| jurov: | thanks. are you busy ingame? i have a hoe bundle | [07:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | was making a toolkit, but brt. | [07:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey diana_coman a) http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/4.html << lacks a link for LTF and b) wouldn't it be a good idea to name these something other than "4" ? | [07:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/24.html < also no link | [07:45] |
| diana_coman: | yes mircea_popescu that was the result of a very sketchy python thing | [07:58] |
| diana_coman: | I should update it anyway I guess | [07:58] |
| diana_coman: | I am just not decided whether it's a good idea to keep them like that in html | [07:58] |
| diana_coman: | any ideas /opinions on the matter are welcome | [07:58] |
| diana_coman: | atm there are a few glitches resulting in a few missing links indeed | [08:01] |
| diana_coman: | if it is useful as html, I would now re-write it anyway to use the output from the recipe parser so that I get more in there + probably name the pages based on item initials I guess | [08:03] |
| chetty: | server reset in 2 | [08:05] |
| chetty: | done | [08:09] |
| jurov: | "reset" sounds like everyone gets their balances zeroed :D | [08:10] |
| chetty: | hahah no, just you | [08:11] |
| jurov: | no coppers for ya anymore! | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, the bot managed to train automatically on ranking up | [08:59] |
| diana_coman: | but I am not sure that's really reliable... | [08:59] |
| chetty: | nice, its a start for sure :) | [09:06] |
| chetty: | poor mp I told him what file to edit for the language filter but he is still getting filtered, did I forget something? I think it was just one xml file .. | [09:08] |
| diana_coman: | yes it is just one as far as I know, but I think he has a rather messed up client | [09:12] |
| diana_coman: | I told him the file too | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | as far as I could tell, the client first looks for a chat config file and if that one is not found, it looks in the general config and otherwise takes the default | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | but mp said he did not have the folder structure I have... | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | so I am not sure what client he has there | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | otherwise: I am still struggling to make the bot reliably ask the server for the recipe content :( | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | it's funny that the right click on a recipe in inventory shows one thing (item description) while right-click on recipe in the brain shows another thing (craft info) | [09:16] |
| chetty: | well if it always showed the craft info would have to always be there and no item info | [09:18] |
| chetty: | hmm he certainly has those files, he just has a lot of stuff I deleted from thedelivery client cause its really only needed on the server .. | [09:19] |
| diana_coman: | hooray, figure out a reliable way to ask the server for recipe content | [10:38] |
| diana_coman: | given how long it took, I'll probably need another week at least to get anywhere near a release for the bot though | [10:39] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman> wow, "you can't store more than 200 stacks in a single category" << why i started selling all my unstackable bits of nothing to the NPC | [11:13] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, I was just throwing them away really | [11:13] |
| diana_coman: | did you get anything for them really? | [11:14] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah i get 11 copper each | [11:15] |
| danielpbarron: | shrugs | [11:15] |
| diana_coman: | not that bad given what they are and what dismal quality really | [11:16] |
| chetty: | really does mean to try and make those stackable one of these days | [12:18] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah it's not worth the time it takes, although i'm starting to better understand the concept of "time != money" | [13:27] |
| danielpbarron: | 11 satoshi is 11 satoshi | [13:27] |
| danielpbarron: | the whole bezzle dollar thing really screws up mentality | [13:28] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu the moss I mine sells for 218 at the merchant | [15:21] |
| diana_coman: | mod6 I have something for you | [15:22] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, can one actually *eat* a chetty stick? | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | as apparently that's what I did, lol | [15:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [15:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | YOU ATE CHETTY ?! | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | the stick! | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | it's certainly gone, lol | [15:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is getting steamy. | [15:53] |
| diana_coman: | and presto | [15:53] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [15:53] |
| diana_coman: | use chetty's divining stick | [15:53] |
| mod6: | lol | [15:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | mmm... | [15:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't think that denotes eating... | [15:54] |
| diana_coman: | hmm, maybe it got put somewhere and I just don't see it | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | being quite invisible otherwise | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm | [15:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | soo... everyone ready for the grand auction ? | [15:55] |
| chetty: | someone is abusing my magic stick? | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha chetty | [17:15] |
| diana_coman: | in the end I found it | [17:15] |
| diana_coman: | the invisible stick | [17:15] |
| diana_coman: | it was indeed equipped in the left hand, but being invisible... | [17:15] |
| mod6: | ahhh | [18:05] |
| diana_coman: | so I defo need to finish that bot and get those slithy toves, lol | [18:12] |
| danielpbarron: | ftr i still have 1 slithy tove | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe we can work out some deal where i get some wine for it | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | sure danielpbarron | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | is it easy to figure out how many wines you can make from 1 samovar? | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, I could estimate and hope that the decay is linear | [18:25] |
| diana_coman: | certainly more than toothpaste by the looks of it | [18:25] |
| danielpbarron: | the number isn't so important, but something like.. 50\% of its durability to make wine? | [18:27] |
| diana_coman: | oh, that can certainly be done, yes | [18:27] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu I still make VERY good wine :D | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | I'm just good with wine I guess | [18:28] |
| danielpbarron: | first lemme get this 1 wine at a sane quality to see how this new skill works | [18:29] |
| diana_coman: | roughly I'd say around 30 wines out of samovar if I see it right | [18:30] |
| diana_coman: | assuming it's correct now | [18:30] |
| diana_coman: | as maybe this is also silly | [18:30] |
| diana_coman: | well, I'll go and get more berries while mircea_popescu looks at it I guess | [18:30] |
| danielpbarron: | i have berries | [18:30] |
| diana_coman: | as otherwise I'll prolly end up with another one at this qual | [18:31] |
| danielpbarron: | i have q92 x 206 | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | oh, sounds good | [18:32] |
| danielpbarron: | aw it restarted | [18:32] |
| diana_coman: | I had them better quality, but I am running low on them as it needs about 20 per wine | [18:33] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm trying to figure out how to do price calulation | [18:33] |
| diana_coman: | go to the merchant | [18:33] |
| diana_coman: | and just see how much he gives for them | [18:33] |
| danielpbarron: | how does mp do it without going to merchant? | [18:33] |
| diana_coman: | that's the base | [18:33] |
| diana_coman: | well, he MADE the thing | [18:33] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [18:33] |
| diana_coman: | so he knows the numbers | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | i wrote down the stuff on this piece of paper here | [18:33] |
| danielpbarron: | haha | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok back up, check it. | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | you do get to keep the first one | [18:35] |
| danielpbarron: | so is 100 quality the line between "good to craft with for training" and "should sell to someone better" ? | [18:35] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, I don't think so, no, why? | [18:35] |
| diana_coman: | it depends on your own level I'd say? | [18:35] |
| danielpbarron: | where is that line then? | [18:35] |
| danielpbarron: | oh | [18:35] |
| diana_coman: | I need those berries danielpbarron | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | well depends on the buyer's level rly. someone who makes q 30 items could get bps out of a q50 item | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can't get bps no matter what really, too high output q | [18:37] |
| danielpbarron: | so 24k for berries ok? | [18:38] |
| danielpbarron: | 206*129*0.92 ~= 24.5k | [18:38] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [18:38] |
| danielpbarron: | oh the npc factors in the q? | [18:40] |
| diana_coman: | yes he does | [18:40] |
| danielpbarron: | i may have done it wrong then but w/e | [18:40] |
| diana_coman: | well, as far as I can tell, lol | [18:40] |
| danielpbarron: | you benefit | [18:40] |
| danielpbarron: | i just want the wine | [18:40] |
| diana_coman: | well, you too surely, since it's wine for you :) | [18:40] |
| diana_coman: | awww, my prev wine is now back to 110 | [18:41] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [18:41] |
| danielpbarron: | woah i just got a chetty's divining stick recipe! | [18:44] |
| diana_coman: | yay, well done danielpbarron | [18:45] |
| diana_coman: | trouble with those is that you REALLY want them high quality | [18:45] |
| diana_coman: | as otherwise you risk not being able to use them even once | [18:45] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose | [18:45] |
| danielpbarron: | i can sell it | [18:45] |
| danielpbarron: | *will | [18:45] |
| diana_coman: | so, the wine is now at 111q | [18:46] |
| danielpbarron: | ready? | [18:46] |
| diana_coman: | base value 4273 | [18:46] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [18:46] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, is the new skill supposed to show up in the list at the NPC for training? | [19:03] |
| danielpbarron: | my toolkit is nearly busted already :O | [19:06] |
| danielpbarron: | on a related note, got 30somethign more metal things | [19:06] |
| mod6: | booom | [19:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | yueah coming right back up | [19:14] |
| mod6: | ah coo | [19:14] |
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