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November 30, 2015

#eulora Logs for 30 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: was a batch auctioned yest. [02:23]
mircea_popescu: and iirc jurov won and he was still selling some [02:24]
mircea_popescu: and holy shit lumberjack is hard to level. [02:27]
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> and no doubt you;ll be pleased to know that lvl 11 lj -> 137q eps <- very pleased as it makes it such total nonsense that I can happily just leave it to do the map and otherwise go and do something else entirely [03:30]
mircea_popescu: i'm at 142 now [03:30]
diana_coman: and you are sure that grocery (or lumberjack for that matter) are NOT broken/ [03:31]
diana_coman: ? [03:31]
diana_coman: + seeing that I guess I'll just pass on the lbn anyway – will have to think about that (I haven't used it, no) [03:36]
diana_coman: I initially thought it was meant to be for a small claim as the post said "bundle" while 1 lbn is never a bundle technically speaking [03:40]
diana_coman: so now I'm rethinking a bit the options [03:40]
mircea_popescu: i don't think they are, no. [03:58]
mircea_popescu: so are you going to reauction it ? [03:58]
diana_coman: don't know yet [03:58]
mircea_popescu: i'd definitely bid. [03:59]
diana_coman: thing is: if considerably higher skill does jack shit for quality then it's so entirely nonsense that atm I don't know what is there to think really, lol [03:59]
diana_coman: so will take a break and let it do the map as it does it automatically anyway [03:59]
mircea_popescu: paradigm shift! [04:01]
mircea_popescu: sooo, 3 stick hits on eps, each single one yielded 10 [11:45]
mircea_popescu: about 5k at base value. [11:46]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-auction-sunday-the-end-of-november/#comment-115955 if you care. [11:47]
hanbot: mircea_popescu so i've gotten 3600 nt together if you'd care to make me 99 teas [14:30]
mircea_popescu: that should work, i have a few myself. [14:30]
mircea_popescu: let me finish this eps run, be like half hour. [14:31]
mircea_popescu: hmm where's diana [14:58]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 3626 * 1.55 * 87 = 489k [15:00]
hanbot: kk [15:01]
mircea_popescu: 99 teas are brewing! [15:04]
mircea_popescu: ahaha this tea looks cool [15:08]
mircea_popescu: has never made any before [15:08]
mircea_popescu: anyway hanbot they're coming out 206 [15:08]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu hmm where's diana <- here [15:14]
mircea_popescu: heya [15:15]
mircea_popescu: you got any high q tlc ? [15:15]
mircea_popescu: i got 7 eps ords i want to dig up, and that means 70. [15:16]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ^ [15:18]
diana_coman: will check and get back – I should have them iirc but "high" means around 130 probably [15:19]
mircea_popescu: better than the few q 50 ones i got. [15:20]
mircea_popescu: but that'd be great because i wanna do the full math on this run. [15:20]
mircea_popescu: i did 17 sticks, got 10 smalls and 7 ords. [15:20]
diana_coman: quite good actually [15:20]
mircea_popescu: awesome, i never saw it this good. [15:20]
diana_coman: but uhm, turns out I used them so I have only 55 left (130 indeed) [15:21]
mircea_popescu: i'd take the 55. how much ? [15:21]
diana_coman: will mine some more anyway, but prolly in 1 hr or so [15:21]
mircea_popescu: oh, im doing a 100 tuber tea order for hanbot, so got like 3 hours [15:21]
mircea_popescu: if you can fill to 70 in the meanwhile that'd be great. [15:21]
diana_coman: so prolly best to wait a bit then [15:22]
mircea_popescu: aite. [15:22]
diana_coman: will auction some snakeskins too but tomorrow I guess [15:22]
mircea_popescu: is there interest for high q of any of the lumber stuff ? [15:23]
mircea_popescu: should i get wm ? try for pn ? [15:23]
diana_coman: what q do you get now? [15:23]
diana_coman: I would buy some high q wm and pn for sure [15:23]
mircea_popescu: 147 last batch, but i really wanna see how much the ords level my lj [15:23]
mircea_popescu: i think i get more from smalls than tinies. [15:23]
diana_coman: they are used for mining so I need some stocks [15:23]
diana_coman: well, they certainly level it up more but ideally you'd get it to spit out the numbers [15:24]
mircea_popescu: what i mean is, i suspect that by putting say 10 copper worth of base value in a tiny, you get LESS lj xp than by putting 10 copper worth of base value in a small [15:24]
diana_coman: and yes, you get more from smalls than tinies as xp – it's linked to the value you spend on it, isn't it? (this is my hypothesis and I didn't get to contradict it so far) [15:24]
mircea_popescu: wanna see if ord holds or im just seeing weird. [15:24]
diana_coman: uhm, so do you have the numbers how much xp you get exactly? [15:25]
mircea_popescu: no, because pixel masurements. [15:25]
diana_coman: loool [15:25]
mircea_popescu: but a small levelled me where it "shouldn't" have had. [15:25]
diana_coman: better than nothing [15:25]
diana_coman: uhm [15:26]
mircea_popescu: and it seems it gave me less building xp than it should have. proportionately. [15:27]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu I have 70 tlc, 55 at 130q and 15 at 131 q, do you want them mixed or separately? [16:06]
diana_coman: btw as an additional hypothesis re quality: there could also be some influence from sortage in principle, seeing how you have really much higher sortage; then again, this is the difference between "making hypotheses" when having designed the game vs as a player only [16:37]
mircea_popescu: mixed's ok [16:40]
mircea_popescu: hardly worth the hassle to keep em separate [16:40]
diana_coman: ugh, just left town; will ping you next time I'm back – shouldn't be too long [16:41]
mircea_popescu: no big deal [16:41]
mircea_popescu: and yea, a bunch of my skills are higher than yours, all the crafting ones really. plus sortage. [16:42]
diana_coman: actually weird why is sortage under gathering, while farming (and I suppose lj) are under craft [16:43]
mircea_popescu: yeah, not displayed in the right place, they should all be in the gather tab really. [16:44]
diana_coman: in the light of where they are grouped, it would quite make more sense to basically assume that it's your highest tinkering causing this difference or something; but well [16:45]
diana_coman: aha [16:45]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu I'm in town: 70 tlc 131q [16:50]
mircea_popescu: aite. how much was it ? [16:50]
mircea_popescu: craft be done in ~1 min [16:50]
diana_coman: at 125\% it's 1096Ã\u009770Ã\u00971.25Ã\u00971.31 = 125k [16:51]
mircea_popescu: i have no problem paying 200k for it seeing it's a bitch to get. [16:51]
diana_coman: it is [16:52]
mircea_popescu: trade nao [16:52]
mircea_popescu: tyvm. [16:52]
diana_coman: thanks [16:52]
mircea_popescu: how about sg ? [16:52]
diana_coman: lemme check [16:52]
mircea_popescu: high q sg [16:52]
diana_coman: I have about 30+ at 130q [16:53]
diana_coman: do you want it? [16:53]
mircea_popescu: mmm [16:54]
mircea_popescu: ok. [16:54]
diana_coman: 1 min to take it out [16:54]
mircea_popescu: omfg [16:54]
diana_coman: ? [16:54]
mircea_popescu: so i just lost 2 ords [16:54]
diana_coman: how? [16:54]
mircea_popescu: im so used to the bot autolocking them i didn;'t think to lock myself. [16:54]
diana_coman: ahahahah [16:54]
diana_coman: but yeah, I know what you mean [16:54]
mircea_popescu: god damned it [16:55]
diana_coman: I returned to lock some I mined manually for the same reason [16:55]
diana_coman: sucks [16:55]
mircea_popescu: ill brb going to check all [16:56]
diana_coman: kk, 38 swarming grub at 130q 125\% [16:57]
mircea_popescu: yup, all my stick-gotten ordinaries are gone. [16:58]
diana_coman: omg [16:58]
mircea_popescu: sigh. [16:58]
mircea_popescu: this exercise failed [16:58]
mircea_popescu: sad . [16:58]
diana_coman: too much of a good thing this bot, will add to the list of warnings: it makes your life SO easy that you'll be screwed without it [16:59]
diana_coman: lolz [16:59]
diana_coman: anyway, still want those grubs or nothing to do with them now? [16:59]
mircea_popescu: nah, don't need tyhem anymore [16:59]
mircea_popescu: but thanks [16:59]
diana_coman: np [16:59]
diana_coman: I decided I'll keep the high value lbn, split it a bit and use it to get already to that goddamned 400 building [17:00]
mircea_popescu: yeah there is that, using it alone kinda ruins the xp gain [17:01]
diana_coman: exactly [17:01]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> is there interest for high q of any of the lumber stuff ? << yes i want shrooms high q [17:03]
mircea_popescu: alrighty. ima be digging up some this week. [17:03]
lobbesbot: News from eulora: MiniGame (S.MG), November 2015 Statement <http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-november-2015-statement/> [18:44]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, could you make 12 sharp clumps of slag for me? [22:20]
danielpbarron: diana_coman, i could use two leaf clover– as many as you can get really (high quality) [22:28]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron no oil cuz no bottles etc atm. [23:26]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 99 * 10390 * 2.06 * 1.3 = 2754617 [23:34]
hanbot: tyvm. tuber teas are pretty cute! i had no idea. [23:35]
mircea_popescu: aha! [23:36]
danielpbarron: i have oil [23:37]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron aite, ima make it tomorrow then. [23:41]

November 29, 2015

#eulora Logs for 29 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
birdman_: danielpbarron: keep me posted on thread auction times please, not sure what my schedule for the day is [07:03]
diana_coman: birdman_ I still sell some of my threads (at 155q) same as last time if you want them [07:13]
birdman_: ok thanks [07:15]
birdman_: diana if you would make gathering skill books id probably be interested [07:26]
danielpbarron: speaking of which, diana_coman how much for rastrums? [08:08]
mircea_popescu: still same 6pm gmt iirc ? [08:11]
mircea_popescu: now mining eps, is as happy as can be. [08:17]
mircea_popescu: i always wanted to dig up these cute suckers. had never any hope i might be the one to do it. [08:17]
mircea_popescu: ftr, i found eps q 111 and sg q 107. [08:20]
mircea_popescu: lumberjack lvl 1 [08:20]
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/eulorian/status/670827066779172864 <<< haha [08:38]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulorian Elder on Twitter: "I exploited some noob labor to get 341 low quality leaky treebark flasks. Made a profit of 850k copper. (in the form of looted blueprints)" (at twitter.com) [08:38]
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEgelTQ0KJYS5CJdGEyU2QA [08:40]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulorian Elder – YouTube (at www.youtube.com) [08:40]
mircea_popescu: ima link these from the report. [08:41]
mircea_popescu: and lvl 3 gives me q 117 [08:43]
mircea_popescu: so that's 6 q for 2 levels gained [08:43]
jurov: danielpbarron: how did you value the bps? [08:45]
danielpbarron: jurov, base [08:58]
mircea_popescu: that's pretty impressive. [09:13]
mircea_popescu: holy shit ordinary eps [09:13]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you selling any of the high q molluscs ? [09:14]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> and lvl 3 gives me q 117 <- I suspect it goes downhill from there or something is really weird [09:37]
mircea_popescu: must be. [09:37]
danielpbarron: not really, but maybe if offered enough [10:11]
mircea_popescu: well i need them to dig up eps. how many q 120ish eps you want for 1 ? [10:13]
mircea_popescu: and level 6 is q 126 [10:28]
mircea_popescu: so that's another 3 q per level. [10:29]
diana_coman: uhm, so level 6 is 126 and level 60 is 133? …. [11:30]
diana_coman: not to mention the gathering [11:30]
diana_coman: make that 131 now [11:30]
diana_coman: apparently your levelling lumberjack up lowers the quality of my groceries, lol [11:30]
diana_coman: lvl 52 I meant [11:31]
diana_coman: 52 levels for …20 quality points, kind of pointless [11:32]
mircea_popescu: weird. [11:36]
mircea_popescu: o but wait. what's your building at ? [11:36]
diana_coman: 385 [11:40]
mircea_popescu: my buyilding is only [11:40]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha!~ [11:40]
mircea_popescu: 358! [11:40]
diana_coman: as I said: kind of pointless apparently [11:40]
mircea_popescu: i thought maybe the reason is that my building being a lot smaller, the lumberjack has a much larger impact than i nyou case [11:41]
mircea_popescu: what's your gathering ? [11:41]
diana_coman: 425 [11:41]
mircea_popescu: 287 here. [11:41]
mircea_popescu: see, it is possible that i am getting more from lj as a relative impact because lower these two [11:41]
diana_coman: uhm, no idea how that would work [11:41]
mircea_popescu: also im pretty certain q is not linear from what i've seen, meaning that 111-121 is not the same as 121-131 [11:41]
diana_coman: yes, it is certainly not linear [11:42]
diana_coman: and tbh I suspect that if I manage to distance myself significantly more (as in 150 points more or whatever) I'll start seeing the q going up quicker [11:42]
diana_coman: then again, as soon as someone else gets closer, it will also drop like crazy [11:42]
mircea_popescu: hm [11:42]
diana_coman: this has been the xp before really [11:43]
diana_coman: but I don't get it why would you get more on lj if your gathering is lower? [11:43]
mircea_popescu: well ima try to get 200 lj before the 6 months are out and see what that does [11:43]
diana_coman: can you rank that up with any crafting ? [11:43]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman no what i mean is : the impact of lj on my q might be larger than the impact of your lj on your quality [11:43]
mircea_popescu: because of your higher other skills [11:43]
mircea_popescu: if you can i've not found it yet. [11:43]
diana_coman: hmmmm, basically you'd need some tinkering bps with lumber ingredients [11:44]
diana_coman: aren't there any? [11:44]
mircea_popescu: ppb [11:44]
mircea_popescu: sadly i just finished making a shitton of pph before getting the lj / [11:44]
diana_coman: uhm, no [11:44]
mircea_popescu: that's oh [11:44]
diana_coman: sb is basic isn't it? [11:44]
mircea_popescu: yeah i was thinking wood for some reason [11:44]
diana_coman: more likely flasks maybe? [11:44]
diana_coman: or oil? [11:44]
mircea_popescu: ibs and cft [11:44]
mircea_popescu: oil has some wm in it yes, but like 10\% [11:45]
diana_coman: ibs is mcguyver, no? [11:45]
mircea_popescu: nah [11:45]
diana_coman: ah, it has been moved to tinkering, true [11:45]
mircea_popescu: anyone need snails btw ? [11:45]
diana_coman: so then that's prolly the best thing to rank up [11:45]
diana_coman: lolz, you are buying eps now? [11:45]
mircea_popescu: selling. [11:45]
diana_coman: ah, I read that weirdly [11:45]
mircea_popescu: i've basically decided to move my haunt from the grass spot to eps. [11:46]
mircea_popescu: which does kinda mean unless someone starts digging shittons of grass we'll be out of cft in short order. [11:46]
diana_coman: ha ha, but yes, I have loads of wwb and leather because of that kind of strategy [11:46]
diana_coman: still atm I am trying to get building to 400 first [11:47]
diana_coman: and then the map really [11:47]
diana_coman: which means that I can't really build ONLY farming anyway [11:47]
mircea_popescu: im buying leather btw [11:47]
mircea_popescu: how much you got ? [11:47]
diana_coman: I'll check next time I'm in town [11:47]
mircea_popescu: berries also. [11:47]
diana_coman: kk, will check and get back [11:47]
mircea_popescu: cool [11:47]
mircea_popescu: also auction in ~1 hr ftr. [11:48]
diana_coman: ah, almost forgot that one, lol [11:48]
mircea_popescu: lol! [11:54]
mircea_popescu: i was thinking "eh no wai it's worth saying anything, there's just no way people forget after last time, you'll just sound like an annoying nag" [11:54]
mircea_popescu: good thing i did it anyway. [11:54]
mircea_popescu: alright, if everyone';s ready the auction will start presently [13:00]
mircea_popescu: goes off to read what it was [13:00]
diana_coman: ready [13:00]
mod6: ok [13:00]
mircea_popescu: let's courtesy ping danielpbarron jurov mod6 hanbot [13:01]
mod6: I'm present and accounted for :] [13:02]
hanbot: i'm in! [13:04]
mircea_popescu: alrighty one second while i visit the smg stores [13:05]
diana_coman: so mircea_popescu for this quality thing as I really don't get it: you have gathering much lower, building lower AND lumberjack lower but then you actually get the q HIGHER? [13:53]
mircea_popescu: weird huh [13:53]
diana_coman: tbh it doesn't sound right [13:54]
diana_coman: I can't really quite see how does that make sense [13:54]
mod6: danielpbarron: got your braided threads. hit me up. [13:54]
mircea_popescu: i only mine about 122 atm tho [13:55]
mircea_popescu: how much do yo uget ? [13:55]
mircea_popescu: o nevermind, ranked lj now q 129 [13:55]
diana_coman: oh, I get 131 now [13:55]
diana_coman: …. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: crrrrrrazy [13:55]
mircea_popescu: maybe lumberjacking's my talent [13:56]
diana_coman: or farming is broken, lol [13:56]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> well i need them to dig up eps. how many q 120ish eps you want for 1 ? << how much for me to buy the claim+enumeration? [14:02]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> which does kinda mean unless someone starts digging shittons of grass we'll be out of cft in short << don't worry about that [14:03]
danielpbarron: wait what.. [14:10]
danielpbarron: auctionw as at 1?? [14:10]
danielpbarron: …… [14:10]
danielpbarron: why with the changing time [14:10]
danielpbarron: well this sucks [14:12]
danielpbarron: 2nd time i rush through traffic back to comp to find out i missed it anyway [14:12]
danielpbarron: it's either that or do nothing all day on sunday [14:13]
jurov: gotta designate someone as proxy ;D [14:13]
danielpbarron: i didn't think i had to [14:13]
danielpbarron: i was here in time for 2 [14:13]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it never changed. 6pm gmt. this one, the one before, etc [14:28]
mircea_popescu: i'd have prolly auctioned it off, actually, if you asked. [14:30]
danielpbarron: 2 weeks ago it was at 2pm est [14:30]
mircea_popescu: anyway. neext sunday. [14:30]
mircea_popescu: which one ? [14:30]
danielpbarron: the one hanbot won uncontested [14:31]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/in-desperation-of-cause-or-eulora-november-15th-auction/ > ? also 6pm gmt [14:31]
lobbesbot: Title: In Desperation of Cause, or Eulora November 15th Auction on Trilema – A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [14:31]
mircea_popescu: did you get caught in some sort of daylight savings debacle ? [14:31]
danielpbarron: that happened more than 2 weeks ago [14:31]
mircea_popescu: seems the 15th was 2 weeks ago [14:31]
mircea_popescu: or you mean. well i dunno… [14:31]
danielpbarron: ah, it was at 1 last time [14:34]
danielpbarron: well that time really sucks for me [14:34]
mircea_popescu: proxy no good ? [14:35]
Birdman_: diana_coman: do you have threads for sale? [15:24]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu berries: 6119 at 155q and 1597 at 129q [15:24]
danielpbarron: i want the 155q [15:26]
Birdman_: I have grass for sale [15:26]
danielpbarron: i'll buy grass too [15:26]
Birdman_: trade when ready [15:27]
diana_coman: danielpbarron berries are at 125\% so that's 141Ã\u00971.25Ã\u00971.55Ã\u00976119 = 1,671,634 [15:29]
Birdman_: which berries are you talking about ? [15:31]
diana_coman: Birdman_ I have threads at 155q but I'll want 130\% on them [15:31]
diana_coman: widow's whisp berries [15:32]
Birdman_: whats that work out to then? [15:32]
diana_coman: 363 per [15:32]
Birdman_: ah too pricey for my blood [15:33]
danielpbarron: diana_coman, aight deal [15:33]
diana_coman: kk, there's a cft crisis looming [15:33]
danielpbarron: not really [15:33]
diana_coman: good then if not danielpbarron, I don't really want to run out of cft for sure [15:34]
diana_coman: give me 1 min to take the berries out [15:34]
diana_coman: ready danielpbarron trade when you are free [15:35]
Birdman_: mircea_popescu: are you in the market for buying enums for bouq? [15:38]
Birdman_: they would be pretty low quality, but also cheap [15:38]
danielpbarron: oh, loan me some supplication blueprints [15:38]
danielpbarron: Birdman_, check his shop page, the answer is yes [15:39]
danielpbarron: 1k per small enum and i think 200 per tiny [15:39]
Birdman_: how do i get to shop pages? [15:39]
Birdman_: which ones and how many [15:39]
danielpbarron: it's on eulorum somewhere [15:39]
danielpbarron: idk like 10 of each or something [15:39]
danielpbarron: i want to make my own to see what the base value is [15:40]
diana_coman: Birdman_ check the wiki http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora [15:40]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) [15:40]
danielpbarron: and then i'll probably want to buy up thousands of them [15:40]
diana_coman: at the end of the page there you'll find links to shops [15:40]
Birdman_: thanks [15:40]
danielpbarron: Birdman_, so the supplication drafts? [15:43]
Birdman_: someone said they may be around base value of 2 copper [15:43]
danielpbarron: i'd like to see for myself [15:43]
Birdman_: yeah, me too [15:43]
Birdman_: though they do get spit out alot for loot [15:43]
danielpbarron: so give me 10 of each, i will overcraft them and get more as loot [15:44]
Birdman_: but that could also have been overcraft for my low bouq skill using foxy's and your enums [15:44]
danielpbarron: my loot will be over 100 quality and will show a base value [15:44]
Birdman_: ah [15:44]
Birdman_: well [15:44]
danielpbarron: then i will buy a bunch more of yours [15:44]
Birdman_: i need some sort of way to make sure i profit [15:44]
Birdman_: promise you'll buy a few thousand of each [15:45]
danielpbarron: ok but you aren't the only one with those drafts [15:45]
Birdman_: yeah exactly [15:45]
Birdman_: i know [15:45]
danielpbarron: you want to buy shredding ingredients? [15:46]
danielpbarron: specifically shiny rock shards and coarse frangible thread blueprints [15:46]
danielpbarron: i'm will to sell those at no markup if you'll buy at least 9999 of each [15:46]
danielpbarron: willing [15:46]
danielpbarron: quality is around 150 so it's overcraft for you [15:48]
Birdman_: no, bouq is pretty dead of a skill for me [15:52]
Birdman_: no money in it [15:52]
Birdman_: not right now anyways [15:52]
Birdman_: less of course those drafts have a decent bv [15:52]
danielpbarron: i'll buy your bouq loot of you have some [15:52]
Birdman_: which drafts you need 10 of each [15:52]
Birdman_: whisper me [15:53]
danielpbarron: stones, moss, berries, thorns, snails, leather [15:53]
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diana_coman: and btw Birdman_ danielpbarron crisis or no crisis, the cft at auction sold for something like 96\% on top of base value adjusted for quality [16:20]
diana_coman: I quite know how many threads the bot goes through in a day, lol [16:25]
Birdman_: they are used for many things for sure [16:26]
Birdman_: maybe my grass is being sold too cheap then [16:26]
diana_coman: didn't even count the uses for crafting really [16:26]
diana_coman: those are for mining mainly so far [16:26]
diana_coman: lolz Birdman_ [16:26]
Birdman_: i guess im a lolzy guy [16:27]
diana_coman: do you realise what \% you got on your grass? [16:27]
diana_coman: I mean: how did you figure out that your grass is "too cheap"? [16:27]
Birdman_: if the cft is increasing and i want to make a certain margin [16:28]
Birdman_: .. [16:28]
diana_coman: what's your want of margin got to do with what it's worth really? [16:29]
Birdman_: everything? [16:29]
diana_coman: the cft is increasing because of demand, not because of my want of margin [16:29]
diana_coman: uhm, no [16:29]
Birdman_: value is subjective yeah [16:30]
diana_coman: I'd say you got that wrong: worth of something has to do with what others would pay for it, not with what you'd want to make as a profit on it [16:30]
Birdman_: its only worth what ill sell it for [16:30]
Birdman_: i have the option to sell it or not [16:30]
diana_coman: weird notion of "worth" you have there [16:30]
diana_coman: sure, you have the option not to sell it, of course, but what's that got to do with worth of grass? [16:31]
danielpbarron: lol i went and crafted 8k threads into braided because nobody wanted [16:32]
danielpbarron: now there's a "crisis" [16:32]
diana_coman: what you mean might be that it's not worthwhile (different word?) for *you* to mine grass [16:32]
diana_coman: quite a different story [16:32]
diana_coman: danielpbarron things change for sure [16:32]
danielpbarron: i did that overnight [16:32]
diana_coman: so what? [16:32]
diana_coman: lol [16:32]
danielpbarron: i mean this last night [16:33]
diana_coman: today MP said he basically stopped mining grass [16:33]
danielpbarron: ah [16:33]
danielpbarron: well so? [16:33]
danielpbarron: he shouldn't be mining grass anyway [16:33]
diana_coman: maybe someone else mines a shitton and then everything is fine and dandy [16:33]
danielpbarron: yeah, Birdman_ [16:33]
diana_coman: well, I think he was doing it with hanbot [16:33]
diana_coman: well, he says it's not worth his time or something [16:34]
danielpbarron: that's probably true [16:34]
danielpbarron: i'd imagine Birdman_ can get way more grass in way less time [16:34]
diana_coman: so then how is it not worth his time? [16:34]
danielpbarron: who's? Birdman_ ? [16:34]
diana_coman: yes [16:34]
diana_coman: MP is not mining grass because he is focusing on lumberjacking [16:35]
danielpbarron: it specifically is worth his time or else he'd be getting me flotsam isntead [16:35]
diana_coman: nothing to do with worth his time [16:35]
diana_coman: well, see above, lol [16:35]
Birdman_: shortage of grass >> shortage of threads >> increased prices for both [16:35]
danielpbarron: Birdman_ that is [16:35]
Birdman_: thats how things work right? and the price of cft directly effects my profit on mining grass [16:35]
danielpbarron: there is only a shortage *today* because you aren't going and getting grass already Birdman_ [16:35]
danielpbarron: and if not you then any other noob already [16:36]
danielpbarron: go make grass and then auction it in here [16:37]
danielpbarron: i will bid, diana_coman will probably bid [16:37]
diana_coman: I think that another noob will fill in the place if Birdman_ increases the price of grass really, but hey, go aheaf [16:37]
danielpbarron: yeah i think 70 is already too much [16:37]
diana_coman: exactly, I won't pay more than that [16:37]
danielpbarron: maybe not too much for diana_coman who makes higher quality thread [16:37]
danielpbarron: but for me that's already a very small profit [16:37]
Birdman_: they can put in the work themselves and see how it works out [16:38]
Birdman_: i think i produce it alot faster than anyone else at the time being [16:38]
danielpbarron: at the time being nobody else will even try [16:38]
Birdman_: well *someone* will if im not getting grass anymore [16:38]
diana_coman: that is to your advantage Birdman_ but it doesn't mean that I'll start paying now some insane price for the grass because…dunno [16:38]
danielpbarron: everyone is too busy derping around on reddit or something when they should be gathering grass [16:39]
Birdman_: who said insane, i would have just increased by the same ratio as the cft [16:39]
diana_coman: ha ha danielpbarron true [16:39]
diana_coman: Birdman_ not sure you follow really [16:39]
danielpbarron: they can do both even, what with the mining bot [16:39]
diana_coman: weird how even that doesn't seem to get people in danielpbarron, isn't it? [16:40]
diana_coman: I mean wtf: you can leave it on and it makes money for you and still…can't be bothered or what [16:40]
danielpbarron: and by Birdman_'s numbers it sounds like it's serious money to be made [16:41]
danielpbarron: i think there's a mistake in the base values of supplication bundles [16:51]
danielpbarron: and possibly also in ennumeration values [16:51]
danielpbarron: in my experience, the bundle of a thing is supposed to have the same base value as the thing it turns into [16:52]
danielpbarron: but in the case of supplications, the bundle is valued in the double digits, and the resulting supplication in 4 digits [16:52]
danielpbarron: as a result, i get no overcraft despite using quality 200+ ennumerations for a resulting quality 127 supplication [16:52]
diana_coman: the base value of a thing is calculated as sum of its ingredients base value danielpbarron – is that what you mean with bundle base value? [16:54]
danielpbarron: right which means ennumerations are probably also valued wrong [16:56]
danielpbarron: either supplications or ennumerations have the wrong value [16:56]
danielpbarron: in any case, i can't get overcraft here [16:56]
danielpbarron: game thinks it's a severe undercraft [16:56]
danielpbarron: getting 3.5k value out of something like 50 [16:57]
danielpbarron: ennumerations should probably be worth closer to what mircea_popescu is offering in his shop [16:58]
diana_coman: hm, base value is at 100q, nothing to do with quality so what you'd need to check is that the base values of enums add up indeed to base value given for supp [16:58]
diana_coman: (enums and whatever else goes in there) [16:58]
danielpbarron: they don't [16:59]
danielpbarron: it's way off [16:59]
diana_coman: ouch [16:59]
danielpbarron: the value of 3 small and 17 tiny ennumerations added together is like 50 [16:59]
danielpbarron: the resulting supplication is like 3.5k [16:59]
danielpbarron: i wish i grokked this math back when i was burning up my very expensive altar [17:00]
danielpbarron: anyway i updated my base values table to reflect these findings [17:00]
danielpbarron: http://www.eulorum.org/User_talk:Danielpbarron [17:01]
lobbesbot: Title: User talk:Danielpbarron – Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) [17:01]
diana_coman: that's a nice table actually [17:03]
mircea_popescu: birdman yes i'm buying. which kinds you got ? [23:12]
birdman: ill check in a sec [23:12]
birdman: mircea_popescu: [small/tiny] 18/12 pss; 1/7 sp moss; 6/44 tpt; 10/1 wwb; 43/14 wpl [23:33]
mircea_popescu: cool, ill take the lot [23:36]
danielpbarron: not sure if it got lost in the connection problems, but regarding the ennumerations and supplications, this -> http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-11-29.log.html#t21:51:27 [23:36]
birdman: im in town when you're ready [23:37]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron well technically that also means you turn a profit. [23:37]
danielpbarron: 30k profit on 60 supplications [23:38]
danielpbarron: birdman, you should see if you can get loot from this thing [23:39]
birdman: from making supps? [23:39]
danielpbarron: yeah [23:39]
birdman: i just made one and it spit out some drafts [23:40]
danielpbarron: today? [23:40]
birdman: yeah like 2 minutes ago [23:40]
birdman: and a bunch earlier today [23:40]
danielpbarron: ah, i didn't figure in the wear on the screens and clogs [23:41]
mircea_popescu: btw diana_coman did you use that lbn ? [23:42]
mircea_popescu: and no doubt you;ll be pleased to know that lvl 11 lj -> 137q eps [23:44]
mircea_popescu: really loves this quaint eps spot here. [23:46]
birdman: are there any tools floating around for sale? [23:50]
birdman: i need pickaxes [23:51]

November 28, 2015

#eulora Logs for 28 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: btw, sunday after the official auction ima offer some imp hoes and some cft. [10:51]
mircea_popescu: possibly also chetty sticks and plain grass, the first depending on whether i manage to maqke it ; the second on whether anyone wants me to. [10:52]
mod6: im back [15:41]
Birdman_: Hey [21:23]
mircea_popescu: heya. [21:24]
Birdman_: Do you have some high q threads you want to sell [21:24]
mircea_popescu: alright, how many do you want ? [21:25]
Birdman_: mircea_popescu: i did see an answer to my question so you know [21:38]
Birdman_: was on my phone, wasnt working well [21:38]
Birdman_: also, is there a faster way to gain gathering exp than using imp tools, excluding chetty sticks? [21:41]
danielpbarron: skillbooks [21:43]
danielpbarron: you can buy your way up to 200 [21:43]
Birdman_: id be interested in that [21:44]
danielpbarron: if you're under 100, someone else can make you the lesser one [21:44]
danielpbarron: after that, you need to come to me [21:44]
mircea_popescu: Birdman_ wut ? [21:44]
danielpbarron: you probably aren't willing to pay what it costs though [21:44]
mircea_popescu: how many cft did you want again ? [21:45]
Birdman_: does the quantity i buy effect the price at all? [21:45]
mircea_popescu: notrly. [21:45]
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima auction a batch tomorrow, can try your luck then [21:46]
Birdman_: ill buy 5005 if you have it [21:47]
mircea_popescu: nah, but i'll auction a few k tomorro. [21:47]
Birdman_: alright then [21:47]

November 27, 2015

#eulora Logs for 27 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
danielpbarron: crap, that seriously crashed it? [02:34]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, chetty__ [02:35]
danielpbarron: i was building a claim and it got removed mid-action [02:35]
mircea_popescu: hm [02:35]
mircea_popescu: was iot an old claim ? [02:36]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron [02:36]
danielpbarron: yeah [02:36]
danielpbarron: old enough to get sweeped [02:37]
mircea_popescu: yeah, well… [02:37]
danielpbarron: that part doesn't surprise me, and i'm not sore over the loss [02:37]
danielpbarron: it was a tiny [02:37]
mircea_popescu: in principle it shouldn't crash it, but until chetty__ gets to look at it… [02:38]
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diana_coman: mircea_popescu hmm any idea why bot would have put small enum in hand ? <- full inventory indeed; it's not the bot that puts it there, it's where the enum goes really [10:12]
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mircea_popescu: but it was a stack of 5 [11:33]
mircea_popescu: nevertheless true, inv was full. [11:33]
diana_coman: what does the stack thing count? what happened: inventory full therefore first enum went to hand [12:58]
diana_coman: however, tool in hand still ok [12:58]
diana_coman: so bot kept exploring [12:58]
diana_coman: and next small enums went to the stack I suppose [12:58]
mircea_popescu: but it would seem to me, if i have a stack of enums previously, the new one will go to it [12:58]
diana_coman: so yes and the stack in hand [12:59]
diana_coman: did you have another stack in inventory you mean? [12:59]
mircea_popescu: it must be that when the bot tried to take it from head and put it in inventory, it went to hand instead [12:59]
diana_coman: that could be actually, yes [12:59]
diana_coman: uhmmm, actually no [12:59]
diana_coman: the bot doesn't put enums back in inv [12:59]
diana_coman: it puts them only from inv to mind slot not the other way around [13:00]
diana_coman: I think it's more that the stack *formed* in your hand basically [13:00]
diana_coman: (if you have something in the mind already, it still works as it replaces the items basically) [13:03]
mircea_popescu: hm [14:03]
jurov: mircea_popescu: hanbot: you don't want the tiny bps? [17:39]
hanbot: afaik they're refuse [17:41]
mircea_popescu: can have them [18:58]
mod6: crafting bot [21:29]
mod6: works! [21:29]
mircea_popescu: hehe cool. [21:30]
mod6: the documentation in the help menu was helpful too [21:32]
mircea_popescu: bot's altogether pretty spiffy. [21:34]
mod6: yeah, even is ranking me up as i level [21:41]
mircea_popescu: aha. [21:42]
Birdman: does anyone have cft or tools for sale [22:24]
mircea_popescu: yeah [22:54]
mircea_popescu: i got imp hoes and q 207 cft [22:54]
mircea_popescu: Birdman [22:54]
Birdman: price per thread? [22:55]
mircea_popescu: 480 ea [22:59]
Birdman: ouch, id have to do a test run fast, could i buy 70 of them at that price right now and make a decision later? [23:00]
mircea_popescu: Birdman yeag. im in town [23:18]
Birdman: cool be there in a min [23:18]
mircea_popescu: ima give you 71 for 34k [23:19]
Birdman: sounds good [23:20]
mircea_popescu: 34k not 340k Birdman [23:22]
Birdman: i know i know [23:23]
Birdman: mircea_popescu: [23:48]
Birdman: can i buy more threads? [23:48]
mircea_popescu: well i started a craft now, but tomorrow. [23:49]
Birdman: sounds good to me [23:49]
mircea_popescu: aite. [23:49]

November 26, 2015

#eulora Logs for 26 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mod6: danielpbarron: hey, I'll have to catch up with you tomorrow. getting pulled away here. [00:01]
danielpbarron: k [00:18]
birdman: is anyone here selling cft and tools [00:19]
birdman: ? [00:19]
birdman: servers about to be down i think [01:13]
birdman: nvm client was just buggin a little [01:14]
diana_coman: danielpbarron> where do i get shrooms these days? <- guess that'd be from mircea_popescu or hanbot as they are the only lumberjacks around [03:06]
diana_coman: mod6> ah neat pacadeima nut <- ha ha, wd, will move it onto public domain then I guess, lol [03:07]
birdman: I also have tons of grass for sale [03:19]
diana_coman: what q birdman ? [03:31]
birdman: 23 [03:31]
diana_coman: I'll buy that [03:31]
birdman: whatcha lookin to pay? [03:31]
diana_coman: what do you want for it and how much do you have? [03:33]
diana_coman: you are probably better off coming to mine my claims really [03:36]
birdman: i think ill have around 30k [03:36]
birdman: and i'd like 70 per [03:37]
diana_coman: deal, I'll buy it all [03:37]
diana_coman: you in town? [03:37]
birdman: making last run [03:37]
birdman: be a few [03:37]
birdman: do you have tools for sale? [03:38]
diana_coman: what tools do you want? I have a few if you need them [03:38]
birdman: anything improved or better [03:38]
diana_coman: better is only chetty sticks really, lol [03:38]
birdman: i figured advanced was the next step up? [03:38]
diana_coman: uhm, have you seen an advanced tool? [03:39]
diana_coman: advanced are imps as far as I know? [03:39]
birdman: i think i have one [03:39]
birdman: next i go to storage ill see for sure [03:39]
diana_coman: can I see it? [03:39]
birdman: yes [03:39]
birdman: do you have threads for sale? [03:41]
diana_coman: yes [03:42]
diana_coman: should be about 155q [03:42]
birdman: ok, how much per too and threads? [03:42]
diana_coman: threads are at 225 each [03:42]
diana_coman: about tool let me check what I have [03:43]
diana_coman: 2 imp hoes at 29083q for 43k each; 1 imp pickaxe at 26203q for 39k birdman [03:47]
birdman: im ok with those prices [03:48]
birdman: and ill probably take them all [03:49]
birdman: halfway done now ill give you a shout when im done [03:49]
diana_coman: well, I'll be around for 5 minutes but then I need to go [03:49]
birdman: its going to take much longer than that [03:51]
birdman: have to make like 10 trips back and forth just to get it all into storage [03:52]
diana_coman: ugh, dunno then , maybe come and get your thread and tools, sell me whatever you have atm and then get back in here when you have the rest [03:52]
birdman: sounds good [03:53]
diana_coman: I'll prolly be away most of the day today so nothing to do about it otherwise [03:53]
birdman: well long as i have the tools im sure ill have even more to sell later [03:53]
diana_coman: mp might have more tools possibly and I'm sure there are others who will want low q grass too [03:54]
diana_coman: as I'll be away, the deal stands now only for what grass you have [03:55]
birdman: ok, headed to town now, and ill take 1351 cft and the 3 tools, will count the grass i have right now momentarily [03:56]
diana_coman: how much thread you want? [03:56]
diana_coman: ok [03:56]
birdman: is there an interest in rickety reeds? [07:10]
birdman: in fact i could contract specific mining jobs [07:14]
mod6: < diana_coman> mod6> ah neat pacadeima nut <- ha ha, wd, will move it onto public domain then I guess, lol << yeah found one! [09:05]
mircea_popescu: lol i didn't even get my lumberjack skill past 10 yet [09:09]
hanbot: mircea_popescu i am ready for grass ordinaries whenever you are. [11:24]
mircea_popescu: alrighty coming to town. [11:26]
mircea_popescu: hmm any idea why bot would have put small enum in hand ? [18:18]
chetty__: full inventory? [20:16]

November 25, 2015

#eulora Logs for 25 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
danielpbarron: anyone got locked ordinary spicy moss claims? [01:41]
mircea_popescu: i don't. [08:44]
mircea_popescu: hanbot notrly, unless you want to mine some grass for me ? [08:44]
hanbot: well i would, but i…have no cft [10:44]
mircea_popescu: alright we sort something out later a bit. [10:46]
jurov: i can make about 500 cft atm, but no idea what q it ends up [10:49]
diana_coman: danielpbarron I should have about 10 moss ord [10:52]
danielpbarron: diana_coman, what you want for em? [12:09]
danielpbarron: jurov, you around? [13:56]
jurov: yes [13:56]
danielpbarron: what quality do you tinker? [13:56]
jurov: anything between 70-100, must come and try [13:57]
danielpbarron: hrm [13:57]
danielpbarron: lobbes, what quality do you tinker? [13:57]
danielpbarron: i want something in the 20 to 40 range [13:58]
mircea_popescu: that may be a little hard to get. [14:02]
diana_coman: danielpbarron 15k each, they are q 255 [15:23]
danielpbarron: i'll take em all [15:32]
danielpbarron: diana_coman, ^ [15:32]
mircea_popescu: so in the end did we manage any sort of deal re this 18k ibs ? [15:34]
mircea_popescu: is about 60\% done with the batch [15:34]
danielpbarron: if i can get high qualiity shavings, goop, and threads, I'd make the flasks [15:34]
diana_coman: kk danielpbarron give me about 20 minutes to check all the keys to make sure the claims are still there, will ping you when I'm done [15:34]
mircea_popescu: well, the cft is here, the goop is predicated on finding low q cr/rf. [15:35]
danielpbarron: i still got some fruit, but the cr i used up to make my own goop [15:36]
mircea_popescu: good for you but what's that do. [15:38]
danielpbarron: so what's that, 4.5k fruit and 1.5k rock needed? [15:40]
danielpbarron: (and 1.5k moss (which i already have)) [15:41]
mircea_popescu: just about ya [15:41]
diana_coman: ready danielpbarron [15:47]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, what were you thinking of charging for the flask bundles? [15:59]
mircea_popescu: usual 125\% provided i get the flasks back. [16:01]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, if you will agree to pay 1.25x the base value of the cr, sm, and rf, I will get those numbers together for you (probably by weeks end), otherwise i need to think some more on it. [17:27]
danielpbarron: where do i get shrooms these days? [19:50]
danielpbarron: (the high quality variety) [19:50]
danielpbarron: and chetty sticks [19:54]
mod6: ah neat pacadeima nut [20:45]
danielpbarron: oo mod6 what's your tinkering quality? [20:55]
mod6: 77 [21:02]
mod6: i just spent an imp tool and a half on 3 SMs and a PN [21:02]
mod6: "mowing the lawn" now :] [21:03]
mod6: i picked up some low qual SRs lastnight too [21:03]
mod6: i got a bunch of flotsams too [21:07]
mod6: 25 mining attempts at grass, got 731@50 [21:08]
danielpbarron: i'll buy [21:08]
danielpbarron: what quality are your tools? [21:09]
mod6: i'm in the same spot if you wanna stop by. if you wanna meet me in town for the other stuff I can do that too. [21:09]
mod6: cruddy hoes @ 29k [21:09]
mod6: using 203 qual threads [21:09]
danielpbarron: does SM mean spicy moss? [21:10]
mod6: yeah [21:12]
danielpbarron: you should not gather that if those are your results [21:12]
mod6: yeah, i gave up after a few rounds of mining. [21:12]
danielpbarron: the grass though, how many threads used? [21:12]
mod6: i usually hit pay dirt in this one spot, but no today :/ [21:12]
mod6: eh, no idea. [21:13]
mod6: like 63? [21:13]
mod6: oh hey, did I see that there was some sort of banking function or window in the game? saw it in one of your screenshots. [21:14]
mod6: how do I get to that? [21:14]
danielpbarron: click the npc and type /bank personal [21:14]
mod6: ooh [21:15]
mod6: ok [21:15]
mod6: anyway, I'll mow a bit more. [21:15]
mod6: one more round since you're off doing some things [21:15]
danielpbarron: do you want to tinker some stuff? [21:20]
mod6: im just gonna keep mining for the moment. [21:22]
danielpbarron: i mean after that [21:22]
mod6: i did get an ordinary grass. [21:22]
danielpbarron: i'll buy! [21:22]
mod6: but I don't think I hvae the right stuff to mine it. [21:22]
danielpbarron: lock itup [21:22]
mod6: ok will do. [21:22]
mod6: ok all set, do you want me to come find you? [21:25]
danielpbarron: i'm in town [21:25]
mod6: ok [21:25]
mod6: heading there. [21:26]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron what q are they ? [21:49]
danielpbarron: in the 20s [22:54]

November 24, 2015

Square Data for a Round World

Filed under: Eulora — Diana Coman @ 11:15 pm

Let’s start with an image – for the artists to howl at and run screaming to better places of less precision, predictability and general non-artistry (we actually have them right here too):
gridmap_eulora_island24nov2015

Now that they got bored already, we can see what the above image means. On one hand, it means about 10 hours of “exploring” in Eulora by means of the trusty Foxybot 1. More importantly perhaps, it means systematic, square-shaped and quite fine-grained coverage of Eulora’s roundish island soil for the grand purpose of finding… dead molluscs. And the skins that snakes have shed and slithy toves and even rotten canines of the giants who possibly ate all the sweetness of this land in ages long forgotten and therefore never missed.

It also means – quite possibly – an ongoing battle between rickety reeds (the green army there) and shiny rocks (red), with enemy green infiltrators in the very heart of the mighty red army. Oh noes, cry the shiny rocks and bring in their trusty berries -dressed in yellow- to support the flanks. But mighty reeds against the reds have secret spies of similar colours: a few clumps of dry grass are stuck up the rocks’ bottom, while two-leaf clovers are – quite possibly – the masterminds behind green’s attack, plotting away behind the front lines, in an empty space that begs more digging. The two gray squares are really nothing other than vermin – the swarming grubs that will eat in the end all armies on a battle field, or at least those parts left behind after the battle, in any case.

Anyway reader, I got carried away, can you tell? Faced with the utter order and precision of straight lines that are totally, utterly and quite purposefully ignoring not only the “beauty” of the landscape but its very own structure and everything else to go with it, the mind either goes and does something entirely else for the next few months until the whole thing has been covered *at least once* (covered as in beaten with the hoe, the stick, the adze, not as in truly forced to reveal what it holds on each mm square of its soil) or otherwise begins its own story. An ultimately pointless, useless story, but apparently needed in the moment, quite the opposite of the map above: an apparently pointless, useless map, but ultimately needed if I am ever to actually truly know what resource is where 2. Or at least… was…at the time when I made the map.

Le sigh.

  1. Updated version armed with extreme precision and fancy rituals: each explore is followed by one hop 3 coordinates further and then one spin on the ground – for better positioning really.[↩]
  2. And I’ll link here for reference the laughter story on this matter, which really goes to show the Universe could do with a kick in its pacademia nuts specifically from me.[↩]

#eulora Logs for 24 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
danielpbarron: i think we crashed it [01:07]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, server is down [01:08]
birdman: i think so too [01:08]
danielpbarron: i know exactly what made it crash [01:08]
birdman: what [01:08]
birdman: soo can i go to sleep? [01:18]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron what is that ? [01:19]
danielpbarron: we were doing a sacrifice [01:21]
mircea_popescu: you tried to sacrifice without the skill ? [01:21]
danielpbarron: and it crashed right as it would have looted [01:21]
danielpbarron: i saw the token appear and that's when it froze [01:21]
mircea_popescu: myeah. sacrificing w/o the skill currently crashes it. [01:21]
mircea_popescu: until chetty can get around to look into it this is a known limitation. [01:22]
danielpbarron: i think it crashed right after converting the bundle into a token, and right before removing the supplication and giving loot [01:28]
diana_coman: and quality went tumbling down again, like 7 points down in a few hours – anyone got a huge loot again or what? [07:58]
diana_coman: ha, more like 20 points actually… [09:02]
diana_coman: is server down? chetty, mircea_popescu [09:16]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron didja do it again ? [09:49]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i hit a 0.10 sr ordinary! [09:49]
diana_coman: congrats I suppose [09:50]
diana_coman: now ae come somewhere at ..113? [09:50]
diana_coman: if 130 was low [09:50]
mircea_popescu: heh… [09:50]
mircea_popescu: server back up [09:51]
diana_coman: at least the quality/value model still stands as it is [09:51]
diana_coman: aha, thanks [09:51]
mircea_popescu: howssat ? [09:51]
diana_coman: uhm, the ordinary I was building when the server went down didn't just vanish meanwhile, did it? [09:52]
diana_coman: (with my bundle and everything…) [09:52]
mircea_popescu: not very likely. has it ? [09:52]
diana_coman: it would seem so at a first sight, but let me go through each and every one of the keys in my inventory [09:53]
mircea_popescu: if it had you got a lbn [09:53]
diana_coman: (there was certainly NO claim where I spawned) [09:53]
diana_coman: well yes, I have 1 lbn, but maybe it is for a different key [09:53]
mircea_popescu: what ord was it ? [09:54]
diana_coman: shiny rock…. [09:54]
mircea_popescu: hey, same as mine [09:54]
mircea_popescu: i guess game gotta pay for the 0.10 somehow. [09:54]
diana_coman: I'm sure it is not quite same [09:54]
diana_coman: oh yeah, the logical thing being that some players gotta stop playing somehow [09:55]
diana_coman: yeah, the claim is gone with the bundle too [09:57]
diana_coman: I'll build now the second one – maybe it crashes again the same [09:58]
diana_coman: 1 lbn for an ord bundle is a kind of anti-record – maybe there should really be a board for those too [10:00]
mircea_popescu: ima give you 50k next we meet. [10:00]
diana_coman: 140sr at 154q for this one, lol [10:04]
mircea_popescu: are you looking for low or high sr ? [10:05]
diana_coman: I am looking for build xp mainly [10:06]
mircea_popescu: a [10:06]
diana_coman: the sr happened because of covering the map in that area really [10:06]
diana_coman: plus I get some claims that are positioned awfully so prolly best to build them as soon as possible really [10:06]
diana_coman: (as I really hit the map at precise coords, some are …) [10:07]
mircea_popescu: … ? [10:08]
diana_coman: some are probably not really reachable directly, hence I think it's best to build them right now [10:08]
mircea_popescu: how do you mean not reachable ? [10:09]
diana_coman: for instance in the crevice of that central area [10:09]
diana_coman: with a hop I can get there, but not really if walking directly (and atm I let it hop everywhere for precision, just hop 3 points at every explore) [10:10]
mircea_popescu: aha. [10:10]
diana_coman: the map certainly looks very nice like that all order and precision, but so far it's useless [10:11]
mircea_popescu: haha why ? [10:11]
diana_coman: nothing new [10:11]
mircea_popescu: even that is useful. [10:16]
diana_coman: I know – I have tons of that kind of usefulness all lying around [10:16]
diana_coman: well, on the bright side I guess I should at least mention that the pacademia nut spot is indeed something quite tiny: found them within a 10 coordinates radius, but even in that there is other stuff too; still, the pacademia nut were found before and the spot was clearly quite tiny indeed [10:36]
mircea_popescu: aha [10:37]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone got some low fruit and cr for sale ? [10:53]
diana_coman: and then I go and take a break, read a book…which says on the 2nd page just as I was getting comfy with it: "Your finding nothing is valuable as it is a part of the discovery process" [10:55]
mircea_popescu: :D [10:56]
mircea_popescu: eulora conspiraci! [10:56]
diana_coman: would like to kick this universe in its pacademia nuts or something right now [10:56]
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha [10:56]
mircea_popescu: first you gotta… find them [10:56]
diana_coman: precisely [10:56]
diana_coman: anyways, might have some fruit, will look next time I'm in town [10:57]
mircea_popescu: expects to see a " diana_coman has done 0.1 btc worth of reading!" notice anytime soon [10:57]
diana_coman: the cr stocks are prolly low as I remember I sold 1k to daniel [10:57]
diana_coman: more like 0.01 at best [10:57]
mircea_popescu: well, im working on a large batch of ibs now. will want to offer a package to make me 1500 ltf to a noob. the thread i got, the dg i gotta make, and im short. [10:57]
mircea_popescu: so i want you know, 5k rf 2k cr [10:57]
diana_coman: hmmm, lbn for that? [10:58]
mircea_popescu: once i get this delivered ima have 1500 io, ready to go into either milk or shaped slag [10:58]
mircea_popescu: depending whether a noob wants to level tinker or cooking [10:58]
diana_coman: got like 2k rf around 174 [11:00]
diana_coman: cr only 700 around 180 but tbh I'd rather mine more cr than sell this one right now given the recent q drop [11:01]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu ^ [11:01]
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, get new stuff [11:01]
diana_coman: are you selling 10k lbn? or more? [11:02]
mircea_popescu: 18k is the plan. [11:03]
diana_coman: uhm, plan for when? [11:03]
mircea_popescu: something like tomorrow i would guess. [11:03]
mircea_popescu: depends how many nights i miss [11:03]
diana_coman: I'd take it all [11:04]
mircea_popescu: what q do you tinker ? [11:04]
diana_coman: hm, let me do a quick run [11:04]
diana_coman: 154 [11:05]
mircea_popescu: well, i'd defo prefer someone lower. but if can't find one… [11:05]
diana_coman: what for you mean? [11:05]
diana_coman: I'm not sure I have time to do loads of tinkering really [11:05]
diana_coman: I need to focus on the explore/building as atm that's my main priority [11:06]
mircea_popescu: oh shit i was fixated on lft [11:06]
mircea_popescu: sorry. lbn. yeah was selling another batch at what was it, 69 ? [11:06]
diana_coman: that's why I will buy that load of lbn – more a matter of not wasting time as it will take me quite some time to make it all, get everything etc [11:06]
mircea_popescu: 67. am i getting out 10k for ya ? [11:07]
diana_coman: sure [11:07]
mircea_popescu: trade me diana_coman [11:08]
mircea_popescu: enjoy [11:09]
mircea_popescu: what's that hold you for, like 2 days ? [11:09]
diana_coman: it can hold longer when I'm mining in rare areas [11:09]
mircea_popescu: you need cft too ? [11:09]
diana_coman: mhm, how do you sell that? [11:10]
diana_coman: and what q? [11:10]
mircea_popescu: hopefully i can persuade grenadine to hit my ~30 or so grass ords get me some stuff to cft. [11:10]
mircea_popescu: like 480 ea. 206 iirc ? something. [11:10]
diana_coman: the issue with grass ord is that they take slithy tove [11:10]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [11:10]
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima try and make more lbn by fri, but no guarantees. [11:11]
diana_coman: hmmm, I'd take 10k of that cft too [11:12]
mircea_popescu: heh i doubt i got that much. lemme look. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: 2k you can have. q207. [11:13]
diana_coman: oh my, only 2k cft, what is the world coming to [11:14]
diana_coman: lol, I'll take it [11:14]
mircea_popescu: k [11:14]
mircea_popescu: trade me [11:14]
diana_coman: thanks [11:15]
mircea_popescu: cheerz [11:15]
diana_coman: I'm off to map the rf area then, killing two molluscs with the same bit of nothing or some such [11:15]
mircea_popescu: yeah good idea. [11:15]
mircea_popescu: hopefully your rf q is down to like 8 by now. [11:16]
diana_coman: ahaahahaha [11:16]
diana_coman: neah, 113 [11:16]
mircea_popescu: good. [11:16]
diana_coman: yeah, almost below 100 :))) [11:16]
mircea_popescu: funny thing, in eulora it's not even clear what personal performance references are actually insult. [11:16]
mircea_popescu: is it GOOD that your q dropped ? bad ? who the hell knows [11:16]
diana_coman: frustrating? [11:16]
diana_coman: :))) [11:16]
mircea_popescu: it IS after all a REALISTIC computer game [11:17]
mircea_popescu: just liek irl. [11:17]
diana_coman: except the satisfying sound and feel when you actually break something [11:17]
mircea_popescu: "eulora masterfully implements all the annoying bits about being alive." [11:17]
diana_coman: that's what I had in mind when I read the very first description of what you wanted it to be really, lol [11:18]
mircea_popescu: (srsly, i suspect a large portion of why modern games suck so bad is that people keep focusing on making them pleasant) [11:18]
diana_coman: oh noes, 155, forgot that rf is basic, hence sortage [11:22]
mircea_popescu: aww [11:22]
mircea_popescu: how much are you gonna want for it ? [11:23]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> well, i'd defo prefer someone lower. but if can't find one… << i'm lower [11:45]
mircea_popescu: what q do you get ? [11:45]
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> how much are you gonna want for it ? <- it's prolly still fine with your formula as it still gives some 25\% doesn't it? [11:46]
diana_coman: I'm fine with 25\% [11:47]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman my formula would pay you as per q ~180, ie, 15\% or so [11:47]
danielpbarron: i tinker quality 140 or so [11:47]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron oh this was about getting rf/cr for the goop. [11:47]
mircea_popescu: as it happens q 140 gets 25\% exactly, fancy that. [11:48]
danielpbarron: i can get large amounts of any thing really [11:48]
danielpbarron: i just don't know where to find the cr [11:48]
diana_coman: mhm, I'll sell it for 25\%, what can I say [11:49]
diana_coman: otherwise I'll keep it, no hurry [11:49]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron can you do a rehash of that trick where you got wm q 22 ? [11:51]
danielpbarron: well not specifically shrooms, as i need snakeskin [11:51]
danielpbarron: although maybe now that the base values of wine have been fixed, i can get those with some reliability [11:52]
danielpbarron: until my altar runs out [11:52]
danielpbarron: i could probably still get a bunch from smalls and just save up the ordinaries [11:59]
danielpbarron: will be needing chetty sticks [11:59]
mircea_popescu: yeah but rf. [12:00]
mircea_popescu: then you can get me low rf, she can get me middle cr and we got a show on the road. [12:00]
danielpbarron: i can get that no problem [12:00]
mircea_popescu: alright it's a deal then. get me even 10k, i can always use it. [12:02]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ill buy you cr at 125\%, and that's that. [12:03]
diana_coman: kk [12:03]
diana_coman: considering earlier trouble people had finding tubers or other resources from the map, I've added a page to the cookbook with more detailed info on harvestables too, including one concrete & verified set of coordinates where I actually hit the ground and found a claim, such as: http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/resources/nondescripttubers.html [12:38]
mircea_popescu: o hey that's nice. [12:41]
diana_coman: yeah, just wrong link, sorry: starting from http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/resources.html so that'd be http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/nondescripttubers.html [12:43]
diana_coman: next on the list for the cookbook is an update on bps and then hopefully some helpful additional stuff – that'll take a while [12:45]
diana_coman: first will be to get those linked from the bps anyway [12:46]
mircea_popescu: cool beans [13:11]
danielpbarron: what does 125\% on cr mean? [13:36]
danielpbarron: is that 25 on top of quality adjustment? or 25 on top of base at 100 q? [13:38]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron your low q rf i'll pay as per formula, whatever it comes to, 2-300\%. her really-too-high cr i'll pay 125\% on. [13:44]
danielpbarron: what is the formula? i'm gonna want more than base value on it [14:38]
danielpbarron: otherwise i'll keep it myself to make goop [14:38]
danielpbarron: so 125\% on cr quality (let's say) 150 means a price of 137 per unit? [14:40]
diana_coman: danielpbarron it's 125\% on base value adjusted for quality [14:41]
danielpbarron: ah, k [14:41]
diana_coman: and you'll prolly get more than 125\% with the formula as your q is lower [14:41]
danielpbarron: and he's gonna mix that with low quality stuff?? [14:41]
danielpbarron: yeah i want way more than 125\% [14:41]
diana_coman: well, I guess he has no other low q cr [14:42]
danielpbarron: well that's a shame [14:42]
diana_coman: not sure how much more [14:42]
danielpbarron: i can get much more cr for less effort.. [14:42]
danielpbarron: and less expensive too [14:42]
diana_coman: maybe jurov gets it for instance [14:42]
danielpbarron: that would make more sense [14:42]
diana_coman: sure, just that it was quite considerable effort to find the location too, you know? [14:42]
diana_coman: and no, you cannot get much more cr for less effort now, can you? [14:43]
danielpbarron: yeah i can [14:43]
diana_coman: you could, theoretically, yes, but you can't [14:43]
diana_coman: oh, you found the location? [14:43]
danielpbarron: you said 100k for the location if i want [14:43]
diana_coman: yes, so do you want it? [14:43]
danielpbarron: ya [14:46]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron hey, get the cr too, ima pay the same for cr you get for rf. [14:47]
mircea_popescu: but if you can't get cr what am i to do. [14:47]
danielpbarron: and what is it you pay? [14:47]
mircea_popescu: anyway, i cook 207 atm, so if you find say q 27 then you get paid for q 117 or 433\% of base value [14:47]
mircea_popescu: if you find q 107 you get paid for q 157, ie ~150\% of base value [14:48]
danielpbarron: that 2nd example sounds better [14:48]
danielpbarron: the first one, i'd rather use it myself [14:48]
mircea_popescu: you can also make the dg yourself, sure, ill supply high cft/ibs and get bottles. the only catch being that i'd really like for the bottle crafter to be q100ish or under. [14:49]
danielpbarron: my plan is to end up with low shaped slags [14:49]
diana_coman: so danielpbarron, trade [14:50]
diana_coman: will give you a key to a tiny, you can even build it, lol [14:50]
mircea_popescu: my plan is the same! [14:51]
diana_coman: there, enjoy [14:51]
diana_coman: jurov, ping me when you are around for your 50k [14:51]
diana_coman: ftr the spot is quite small, so kind of keep it around there [14:52]
diana_coman: anyway atm I have mapped the area so you'll find loads of claims to show you a bit around if you go now [14:52]
jurov: foxy i'm in [17:00]
jurov: er.. diana_coman ^ [17:00]
jurov: :) [17:00]
diana_coman: ha ha jurov, kk, give me a few minutes to come to town [17:00]
jurov: also, several people sid they will be buying coppers soon [17:00]
jurov: which never happened… i prolly should raise prices [17:01]
jurov: diana_coman: no haste [17:01]
diana_coman: ahahahahaha [17:01]
diana_coman: errr jurov trade [17:02]
jurov: thanks! [17:03]
diana_coman: enjoy [17:03]
hanbot: mircea_popescu have highq cft? [22:27]

November 23, 2015

#eulora Logs for 23 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: hanbot 594 * 88 * 2.6 * 1.25 + 297 * 79 * 2.46 * 1.25 Р3265 * 540 * 1.5 Р6400 * 54 * 1.5 = ̢\u0088\u00922921017.275 [01:13]
mircea_popescu: check me out, exporting raw materials, importing industrial products and negative trade balance [01:14]
mircea_popescu: mirlandia is going down in flames! [01:14]
diana_coman: hanbot mircea_popescu can have sconesclusivity [01:39]
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/shop.txt << just received a shipment of tubers [02:06]
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> hoiw about turning ? <- actually this seems to be the best current solution indeed, though it ends up atm in the ground as well [04:44]
diana_coman: it just needs some more figuring out this whole shit, not sure why the jump doesn't really work as it should, ugh [04:44]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yo, want these sups ? [22:43]
danielpbarron: ya [22:47]
mircea_popescu: next im in town [22:48]
mircea_popescu: unless you wanna come down to the sr spot [22:48]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, am there now [22:57]
danielpbarron: ah hold on didn't bring change [22:57]
mircea_popescu: lmao [22:58]
danielpbarron: k, ready [23:01]
hanbot: mircea_popescu lemme know when you'd like your scone delivery. also ibs for you. [23:14]
mircea_popescu: ima be in town in about an hour. [23:16]

November 22, 2015

#eulora Logs for 22 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
diana_coman: mod6 this one first: http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/09/30/foxys-little-bots/ [02:24]
diana_coman: then directly http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/11/16/foxybots-v1-2/ [02:24]
diana_coman: just get the foxybots folder from this second one [02:24]
diana_coman: only after that compile and then good to go [02:24]
diana_coman: the one you got now was probably for the older version of server hence no connect [02:25]
diana_coman: ouch, a whole night lost, great [02:25]
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> all stacks affected have been reduced by a formula that's basically floor (old * proportion) + 1 <- so I had 81 csw at 184q and now I have …9? is that right? [04:22]
diana_coman: just calculated the new/old base values for the csw and yes, it seems actually better as value indeed 81*1.84*1216 < 9*1.84*13499 if I got the new base value right [08:27]
mircea_popescu: aha [08:43]
mircea_popescu: old csw was 1433 iirc. [08:44]
diana_coman: aha, that makes it closer though still old < new ; I had it in some old list with 1216 but that could be some confusion due to the storage values again I suppose, no idea even when I wrote that down as such [08:51]
mircea_popescu: opriginally it was that, but then the recipe got changed to take out the bms [09:01]
danielpbarron: diana_coman, I'll buy all of your lotus harlot, two leaf clover, and wooly mushroom [09:53]
diana_coman: danielpbarron I'll auction then some of those later this evening, in about 5hrs from now, since they are both a huge pain/loss to get AND needed in large quantities by at least you + mircea_popescu + me [10:05]
mircea_popescu: what, all ?! [10:05]
danielpbarron: you have them listed in your store with a price.. [10:07]
diana_coman: yes, need to update that, sorry; things seem to change much faster than I can update the page atm; for another thing I need to update now the ae too, sigh [10:07]
danielpbarron: also, is the crumbly rock location public yet? [10:08]
diana_coman: I know it, jurov knows it [10:08]
danielpbarron: would like to know it [10:08]
diana_coman: or more precisley: I found it, jurov knows it, lol [10:08]
diana_coman: aha, I'll follow your example on the location of the tlc then and I'll sell the location, sure [10:09]
diana_coman: gotta go right now, so will put that on the table in the evening too, no problem [10:09]
danielpbarron: ok let me know a price, and then jurov can underbid if he'd like [10:10]
diana_coman: much simpler than that: I'll split the sum in half with jurov [10:11]
diana_coman: I'm not competing with him for your sake [10:11]
jurov: haha [10:26]
jurov: it's public for anyone who goes around and looks on the claims [10:26]
jurov: diana_coman: what about splitting 1M? [10:28]
mircea_popescu: lol gotta add a recipe for mortars and assault rifles. [10:29]
mircea_popescu: anyone buying ppb ? [10:29]
diana_coman: jurov are there still any claims? [11:55]
diana_coman: I don't think I left any still standing [11:55]
diana_coman: and that sounds fine with me (I'm back earlier than I thought, yay!) [11:55]
jurov: i have not looked, you mined everything? [11:55]
diana_coman: yep [11:55]
jurov: aok [11:55]
diana_coman: long time ago, part of the project "let's mine all ordinaries" [11:56]
jurov: should have said, i'd gave you mine.. they are prolly gonna rot out [11:57]
diana_coman: if I can build them, I'll buy them really, what do you have? [11:59]
jurov: flotsam and sr [12:02]
diana_coman: ouch [12:12]
diana_coman: flotsam requires snakeskins [12:13]
diana_coman: and sr slithy toves which are (again!) kind of missing [12:13]
diana_coman: for this reason I still have my ordinaries of those two :( [12:13]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman bonus points : cheese takes st too! [12:19]
diana_coman: ugh, maybe I should get that first prize then [12:20]
diana_coman: sighs [12:20]
mircea_popescu: find something!1 [12:27]
diana_coman: yeah, I am adapting the bloody bot, but that's not even half of the story, seeing how it's not enough to even just hit *once* every spot, lolz [12:28]
mircea_popescu: are you having fun yet ? :D [12:29]
diana_coman: define fun lol [12:31]
mircea_popescu: ehehehehehe [12:32]
diana_coman: so: basically gave up on updating the store, hence the newest version basically says I'm selling some rare items through auction (harlots, tlc etc) and otherwise most groceries and basics at 25\%, everything else at 30\% [12:34]
diana_coman: that might count like fun I suppose [12:34]
diana_coman: and I had such clear and crisp tables …if only I'd get to actually update them automatically…not going to happen any time soon [12:35]
diana_coman: ffs yet ANOTHER place with harlots [12:37]
diana_coman: hate this habit of finding repeatedly new places of OLD items [12:38]
mircea_popescu: how would automatic update happen ? [12:39]
diana_coman: bot either does the trade and then goes and updates html file + another script uploads it periodically to server [12:40]
diana_coman: or bot checks periodically stores and updates file [12:40]
diana_coman: not impossible, just….tons of things ahead on the list [12:40]
diana_coman: obv that's for amount + q available, as no reason to fiddle all the time with prices really, those can be updated manually if/when needed [12:41]
danielpbarron: < jurov> diana_coman: what about splitting 1M? << i'm not willing to pay 1mn [12:48]
diana_coman: so make an offer danielpbarron [12:48]
mircea_popescu: i'd be very interested in seeing the stocks + history -> price model tbh [12:49]
diana_coman: yeah, as it is I have enough headaches on the explore part to attempt building a price model too :p [12:50]
mircea_popescu: briefly pondered this a dozen or so times to date, dropped it. [12:57]
hanbot: mircea_popescu how'd you like an order for 99 tuber teas? i have pn if needed [13:05]
mircea_popescu: lemme look [13:05]
mircea_popescu: 36 nt 7 wm 2sm 1 pn ouch [13:06]
hanbot: oi [13:06]
mircea_popescu: for one thing, i don't have 4k nt. and it conflicts with acg for the suddenly scarce nt. [13:06]
mircea_popescu: i do have wm/sm, but really it conflicts with oil, which i was going to do a bunch [13:06]
mircea_popescu: you gpt 100 pn ? [13:06]
hanbot: 98 [13:07]
mircea_popescu: what q ? [13:07]
hanbot: 52 [13:07]
mircea_popescu: could be made provided someone comes up with 3.6k LOW Q tubers. [13:07]
mircea_popescu: da fuck do you need so much of it anyway [13:08]
mircea_popescu: it's 2 samovars right there. [13:08]
hanbot: well i'll start mining lol. anyone has 'em, pls to say [13:08]
hanbot: secret ducttaping operations [13:08]
mircea_popescu: hahaha duct taping tea [13:08]
mircea_popescu: sounds just about right. [13:08]
hanbot: ;) [13:08]
mircea_popescu: do you know a spot ? [13:09]
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima go dig up some sr [13:11]
hanbot: i don't, i'm looking at maps. what, is this a known problem too? [13:11]
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna make low q ibs out of my high f/sr later ? [13:11]
mircea_popescu: hanbot it's found just i never dug it myself. [13:11]
hanbot: ah [13:12]
hanbot: if nobody chimes in for that job i'll prolly do it, depends how these tubers go [13:12]
mircea_popescu: in not-so-bad news, i am mining sr q 247 now [13:13]
hanbot: hm i don't see nt on foxymaps nor modseis' collection [13:16]
jurov: diana_coman: yes, whatever daniel offers [13:22]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> could be made provided someone comes up with 3.6k LOW Q tubers. << i'm on it [13:46]
danielpbarron: i can't think of any offer that i'd be willing to pay that you would also accept [13:47]
danielpbarron: so that's that for now [13:47]
danielpbarron: i will sit on my ibs for now [13:47]
danielpbarron: maybe find a crumbly rock ordinary and sell it at some mark up [13:48]
mircea_popescu: that's what ? [13:48]
danielpbarron: i want the cr location so i can get some low quality out of it [13:48]
danielpbarron: or if someone else wants to get me some low quality cr that could also work [13:49]
mod6: how low [13:49]
danielpbarron: and by low quality i mean: any quality really, but willing to sell it for a little over base [13:49]
mircea_popescu: i currently have no cr at all [13:49]
danielpbarron: i have 1.2k at 170ish [13:49]
mircea_popescu: but as i'm currently backed up with stuff to do i'll bitch more once i clear the glut [13:50]
danielpbarron: you know where the cr even is? [13:50]
mircea_popescu: nope [13:51]
mircea_popescu: btw, selling another 10k lbn at 67 ea. (ftr it's 29 for the tool decay and 48 for the recipes, mostly because they are a bitch to get.) [13:51]
danielpbarron: diana_coman and jurov could probably work together to make a big stack of crumbly [13:52]
mircea_popescu: i'd buy 10k np [13:52]
danielpbarron: me too depending on what they want for it [13:52]
danielpbarron: i'd pay 1.1x base [13:52]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu hanbot pacademia nuts are found actually [13:53]
hanbot: sure. problem atm is tubers. [13:53]
danielpbarron: i can get tubers [13:54]
hanbot: low q? [13:54]
danielpbarron: ya [13:54]
mircea_popescu: well, problem for tea is tubers, anywya [13:54]
danielpbarron: i currently have over 6k tubers at high quality :D [13:54]
diana_coman: oh, they are found too, 305 -341 [13:54]
diana_coman: for tubers [13:54]
hanbot: danielpbarron, how much've you got? how much dyou want for em? [13:55]
diana_coman: the side of the hill [13:55]
mircea_popescu: problem for making oil/shaped slag/samovars is getting enough ibs. [13:55]
hanbot: ty diana_coman [13:55]
danielpbarron: my tubers are not for sale at the moment [13:55]
danielpbarron: i have a little under 3k ibs that i want to make into flasks, but i need similar quality goop, and for that i want low quality cr [13:56]
danielpbarron: the end result is lots of low quality flasks that should go well with those low quality shrooms [13:56]
mircea_popescu: i actually got some low q goop. don't you also need low q thread ? [13:58]
danielpbarron: how low is low [13:59]
mircea_popescu: how about i go to town and look one sec [13:59]
danielpbarron: need about 150 [13:59]
mircea_popescu: wait, you want low q goop or high q goop ? [13:59]
danielpbarron: medium i guess [13:59]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha! why ? [13:59]
danielpbarron: because reasons [14:00]
mircea_popescu: do you also want cft ? [14:00]
danielpbarron: i think i have suitable cft already [14:00]
danielpbarron: unless you specifically have 140 quality cft [14:00]
mircea_popescu: got 200 goop q 71 and 34 goop q 202 [14:01]
danielpbarron: that would be good if i also had similar quality ibs [14:02]
mircea_popescu: i thought you were making ibs [14:04]
danielpbarron: i have ibs already [14:04]
mircea_popescu: well what q is it ? [14:04]
danielpbarron: 142 [14:04]
mircea_popescu: heh. so you want this to be high q and be crafted by a noob? then you sitll want high goop/thread [14:04]
danielpbarron: not if i have to pay 2*1.5*base for it [14:05]
danielpbarron: err.. 2*1.25*base [14:05]
danielpbarron: i can make the goop for a profit myself, on top of having a noob overcraft it [14:06]
mircea_popescu: aha [14:06]
mircea_popescu: somehow this still doesn't make sense to me. seems like two different things are mixed together. [14:07]
danielpbarron: but all this profit doesn't really justify paying however many copper jurov/diana want for the knowledge of the crumbly rocks [14:07]
jurov: danielpbarron: not even 1 copper? [14:07]
danielpbarron: i could maybe see paying 100k [14:07]
mircea_popescu: so, let's say noob makes q 10, and you have the option of either making q 110 precursor yourself or buy q 210 precursor. [14:07]
danielpbarron: i can make q 142 though [14:08]
mircea_popescu: if you pay 1.25\% for the bought stuff, your noob will be overcrafting 200 points for which he paid 250 points each click. [14:08]
mircea_popescu: if you make it yourself and sell it at 125\%, your noob will be overcrafting 100 and paying 125 points each click. or 200/250 each OTHER click. so he just goes slower [14:08]
jurov: danielpbarron: i'm okay with it [14:08]
mircea_popescu: or do you actually charge less than 125\% ? [14:08]
mod6: diana_coman: foxybot werks! [14:09]
hanbot: say diana_coman you wouldn't've mixed up the negative on the nt spot woudlja've? wwb and rr here @ 305 -341 [14:09]
danielpbarron: there should be a locked ordinary there, hanbot [14:09]
hanbot: oic. ty [14:10]
mod6: wow, this is slick [14:11]
mod6: does he just /die when out of health? [14:12]
mircea_popescu: aha [14:12]
danielpbarron: mod6, wanna do some mining with me? [14:12]
mod6: yeah, got about an hour. [14:13]
mod6: one of these days I gotta get a new box so I can just let this guy go to work and leave [14:14]
mircea_popescu: hehe [14:16]
diana_coman: hanbot depends what is x and what is z for you I suppose, no ? [14:30]
diana_coman: mod6 yay! [14:30]
mircea_popescu: o look at that, 6 people on! [14:31]
diana_coman: hanbot there are wwb too around, but here some precise coords from logs: Cruddy Hoe,304.89,47.58,-348.91,Tiny Nondescript Tubers Exploration Marker ,1 [14:32]
diana_coman: what a difference 7 points on the z coord make, huh [14:32]
diana_coman: danielpbarron> i could maybe see paying 100k <- I'm ok with that too [14:35]
mod6: < diana_coman> mod6 yay! << \o/ [14:37]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so do you want high q rotten fruit to make your goop ? [14:40]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, danielpbarron, anyone else interested: for sale by open auction here: 120 lotus harlots at 158q and 40 two-leaf clover at 159q; will start at 1500 ea for harlots and 2500 ea for clover [14:58]
mircea_popescu: simultaneous auction ? [14:58]
diana_coman: not sure what is simultaneous auction? each package separate, but yeah, not going to go on two separate auctions for that [14:59]
mircea_popescu: anyway, 300k for the lot. [14:59]
diana_coman: works like that too, sure [14:59]
diana_coman: heard that, will give some time to danielpbarron too [15:00]
mod6: oh hey, this bot has the auto-locate feature too right? [15:13]
diana_coman: yes, /pilot [15:13]
mod6: too cool! [15:13]
diana_coman: :) enjoy! [15:14]
danielpbarron: diana_coman, 310k for the lot [15:17]
diana_coman: 310k heard danielpbarron mircea_popescu [15:17]
danielpbarron: there's gotta be a way to bring this price down in the future though [15:29]
diana_coman: danielpbarron you realise that there is no huge markup there really, do you? [15:34]
danielpbarron: it's 1.5x [15:35]
jurov: lol it's obama's face behind the ghost? [15:35]
danielpbarron: jurov, ya [15:35]
mircea_popescu: he can have it. [15:46]
diana_coman: kk, danielpbarron, you in town? [15:49]
danielpbarron: ya [15:49]
danielpbarron: ready when you are [15:49]
diana_coman: 1 min to take out [15:49]
diana_coman: thanks [15:50]
danielpbarron: yw [15:50]
diana_coman: as for it going down, dunno, guess maybe lots of noobs around hence heaps of low q tlc for instance? [15:51]
danielpbarron: i specifically want high q [15:51]
chetty: [15:52]
chetty: [15:52]
chetty: [15:52]
danielpbarron: did wyrdmantis ever make a character? [15:52]
chetty: <jurov> lol it' [15:52]
mircea_popescu: ?! [15:52]
diana_coman: chetty? [15:52]
chetty: s obama's face behind the ghost?/// the devil for sure :P [15:52]
mircea_popescu: lol [15:53]
chetty: yo,srry for bad paste [15:53]
danielpbarron: well cool, now i can build some spicy moss ordinaries [15:54]
danielpbarron: will see how profitable that is, and then i might want to buy some chetty sticks [15:54]
diana_coman: I could use a noob to make me more bps for sticks really [15:58]
diana_coman: and on a side note, if you find 1.5 huge for tlc, note that toothpaste (needed for sticks) has it 1.42 or somewhere there and lbn (needed for mining) is… what already more than 1.7? [16:00]
danielpbarron: isn't the one paying so much for those things [16:01]
danielpbarron: anyway i could probably whip up some blueprints for chetty sticks [16:02]
diana_coman: are you selling bps for sticks? [16:05]
danielpbarron: not yet [16:05]
danielpbarron: i put it on my todo [16:05]
diana_coman: not paying that much for toothpaste sure – also not having sticks [16:06]
danielpbarron: well who has been making the toothpaste? [16:06]
diana_coman: mp [16:06]
danielpbarron: so then that's why so expensive [16:06]
diana_coman: lolz, what's the alternative? using crappy toothpaste? [16:07]
danielpbarron: what's so bad about that? [16:07]
diana_coman: you'd need to undercraft the whole thing then and atm I don't really see all those resources – I even offered some packages for someone to craft me ppb and toothpaste low q [16:08]
diana_coman: and there was…nobody wanting to do that [16:08]
diana_coman: so low q toothpaste is good only if everything else is low q too, not just like that on its own [16:09]
diana_coman: in the light of mod6's adventures in getting the bot running, small update to the wiki – hopefully that makes the process clearer [16:41]
diana_coman: http://www.eulorum.org/Foxy\%27s_Crafting_Bot [16:41]
mod6: diana_coman: thanks for the wiki update [16:57]
mod6: suggestion: you may wanna add a parenthetical line under #2 that denotes that v1.1 is a replacement of the src & data directories for the s.mg original version. [16:58]
chetty: and art [17:04]
mod6: hi chetty :] [17:08]
mod6: art is in the data dir right? [17:08]
mod6: how you doing btw? [17:08]
diana_coman: I took out the full version including art, chetty, as I got the minimal one up [17:12]
diana_coman: good suggestion mod6, lemme add that then [17:12]
mod6: thanks for updating the wiki! [17:13]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman lbn at 67 is actually 350\% or some such [17:17]
diana_coman: oh, 67 is the latest price ? omg [17:17]
diana_coman: must have missed that in the logs [17:17]
diana_coman: goes reading [17:17]
mircea_popescu: you can always buy the tool if you'd rather source bps yourself. [17:17]
diana_coman: oh wow, nobody in town? everyone out mining? [17:20]
danielpbarron: is using up a pile of 500+ cruddy hoes at exactly 188 quality [17:22]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, you still buy these for 2k, ya? [17:22]
diana_coman: hanbot mircea_popescu 2.25 for scones [17:27]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 5mn. [17:29]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron aha. [17:29]
mircea_popescu: im digging up some rotten fruit, noticed the stores of dg were low once dpb asked\ [17:30]
diana_coman: hanbot are you selling both scones now (there are 2 remaining, right?) or what is the plan? [17:36]
mircea_popescu: o wait, this comes with some sort of exclusivity deal or anything ? [17:37]
diana_coman: I don't know [17:37]
danielpbarron: lol [17:37]
mircea_popescu: or you just gonna keep selling these foreva [17:37]
diana_coman: hence my asking, lol [17:37]
danielpbarron: or maybe i figure out how to make some alraedy [17:37]
danielpbarron: speaking of which, what's the status on those supplications mircea_popescu ? [17:38]
mircea_popescu: which ? [17:38]
danielpbarron: one of each murky chicken and rocks [17:38]
mircea_popescu: ah, i musta missed it. will make them once in town. [17:39]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> you can always buy the tool if you'd rather source bps yourself. <- it seems I might have to do that, will have to run some numbers; tbh it's more the time the problem basically [17:39]
diana_coman: (time to source the bps esp) [17:40]
danielpbarron: are we still short on some of the blueprints needed for shredding? [17:40]
diana_coman: given the huge amounts of lbn required, I think we will kind of always be short danielpbarron, lol [17:41]
danielpbarron: i have a large abundance of a bunch of them that i'd like to get rid of [17:41]
danielpbarron: around quality 150 [17:41]
mircea_popescu: yeah but prolly the wrong bunch [17:41]
danielpbarron: well i mean i'd do the shredding [17:41]
mircea_popescu: i haven't had the time to make cp for instance. there's hooves and stuff missing [17:41]
danielpbarron: looking to buy those other blueprints i don't have [17:41]
mircea_popescu: heh ok. [17:42]
diana_coman: and first attempt at *precise* bot movement miserably failed…. [17:45]
mircea_popescu: how ? [17:54]
diana_coman: basically the only chance of absolute precision is through small teleport-hops; trouble is that the position doesn't get updated then ; tried sit/stand as that would update from what I saw, but apparently I'd need then longer delay which is kind of VERY annoying [17:59]
diana_coman: I want shorter delays, not longer! [17:59]
diana_coman: so need to try jump I suppose [17:59]
diana_coman: except jump is NOT a direct/easy thing to do – will have to figure that out [17:59]
diana_coman: it was hoping wonderfully though, lol [18:00]
diana_coman: hoping hopping [18:00]
mircea_popescu: lol [18:00]
mircea_popescu: does opening inventory update position ? [18:00]
diana_coman: neah [18:01]
mircea_popescu: how about dropping something ? [18:01]
diana_coman: that'd be BAD [18:01]
diana_coman: it would drop it at the old position, lol [18:01]
diana_coman: moving would update of course but then bye-bye precision [18:01]
diana_coman: this bot gotta learn to jump… [18:02]
diana_coman: imagine that: every explore followed by a hop AND a jump – it's already a ritual1 [18:03]
diana_coman: guess I'll make it also say something random at that [18:03]
mircea_popescu: hoiw about turning ? [18:17]
jurov: or dying :DDD [18:18]
mircea_popescu: takes a bit that. [18:19]
mircea_popescu: but if you actually teleport, you don't really need your facing vector for anythign [18:19]
jurov: also, noticed it changes into a ghost and moves slowly when i mashed some keys, i don't remember which [18:21]
jurov: that might be useful [18:21]
hanbot: diana_coman, mircea_popescu: auction is for the two unused, existing scones i have. no guarantees i won't have more in future. winning bid /2 + 10\% will be my selling price tho, unless/until someone else manages to bake 'em too [19:30]
danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/eulorian/status/668589243921485824 [19:45]
mircea_popescu: ha [20:42]
mircea_popescu: start to make 333 dg, end up with 378 [20:43]
mircea_popescu: if anyone needs they're at 206 [20:43]
mircea_popescu: and now to copy down danielpbarron's sups [20:43]
mircea_popescu: hanbot im willing to pay 25mn on it provided you sell no more. [20:45]
hanbot: what, ever? [20:45]
mircea_popescu: 6 monhts [20:45]
hanbot: mind if i leave this pending for 24 hrs to let anyone else outbid that? [20:46]
mircea_popescu: i guess not. [21:15]
hanbot: k then. so: anyone wants sconesclusivity for > 25mn, you've got 'til 2am tuesday gmt, otherwise mircea_popescu shall be named scone king supreme. [21:22]
mircea_popescu: o my, gotta order new clothes [21:22]
mircea_popescu: this wallpaper's got to go… [21:22]
hanbot: hehe [21:23]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron your supps are ready. they are qadj base 100k, you can have them for 150. [21:24]
mod6: lol, this thing mines the claims for you. [21:26]
mircea_popescu: aha [21:27]

November 21, 2015

#eulora Logs for 21 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron don't get cancer, it's bad for ya [00:16]
mircea_popescu: anyway, with any luck you'll get a noob or three to do your bidding [00:16]
jurov: danielpbarron: wd! [06:01]
mircea_popescu: did he hid a big one ? [14:11]
hanbot: so mircea_popescu i'ma show you my scone now for the st prize if i may. [14:21]
mircea_popescu: surely. [14:21]
mircea_popescu: one sec. [14:21]
mircea_popescu: nice. brb with your loot [14:22]
mircea_popescu: enjoy! [14:26]
hanbot: ty! [14:26]
mircea_popescu: and then there were 5 [14:27]
mircea_popescu: you selling those btw ? [14:28]
hanbot: i'ma wait ~week (what if there's a sacrifice of toves?), but yeah [14:30]
hanbot: also sending you a secret supp order [14:30]
diana_coman: hanbot, are you selling /auctioning any scones? [15:50]
hanbot: diana_coman yes. mircea_popescu has top bid atm @ 1mn, closing week from tomorrow. [16:03]
mircea_popescu: o goody [16:03]
mircea_popescu: your sups halfway done btw. [16:03]
hanbot: cool [16:03]
mircea_popescu: looks like ima have to make more vellum after this [16:03]
mircea_popescu: who knew you could run out of vellum [16:04]
hanbot: skin greyhawk? [16:04]
mircea_popescu: lol [16:05]
mircea_popescu: leather i have, it's the bng that'll be a bitch. but… [16:05]
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Bilibin << one of the greatest illustrators of all time, btw. [16:07]
lobbesbot: Title: Ivan Bilibin – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) [16:07]
diana_coman: oh, 1.25mn hanbot then [16:09]
diana_coman: ha, this Bilibin was essentially the reason why I grew up considering Russian illustrators somewhere 100 places above everyone else [16:12]
mircea_popescu: yup. [16:13]
mircea_popescu: were just discussing preafrumoasa vasilisa in b-a [16:13]
mircea_popescu: hanbot diana_coman 2mn for the scones. [18:15]
mircea_popescu: o god damned it. [18:22]
mircea_popescu: so it turns out that i fucked up – the prizes in http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-sunday-event-july-the-19th/ are actually for NON altar finds. so consequently, grenadine's item does not qualify. [18:23]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulora Sunday Event – July the 19th on Trilema – A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [18:23]
mircea_popescu: it's been so long i forgot myself ;/ [18:23]
mircea_popescu: anyway, i won't actually take the st back, but the prize is still open. [18:23]
hanbot: oopsy, i must've misunderstood. sorry about that, i'd happily give back! [18:27]
mircea_popescu: s'okay. [18:28]
mircea_popescu: incredible how long these took to claim dear lord. [18:28]
mircea_popescu: hey, any noob bouq guy wanna do a click of duct tape draft for the bps ? [19:10]
mircea_popescu: also hanbot got your sups made. [19:10]
danielpbarron: can i get some supps for murky, chicken, and rocks? [19:11]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron sure. how many ? [19:14]
danielpbarron: a few of each [19:17]
mircea_popescu: but specifically ? [19:23]
mircea_popescu: mkay, meanwhile i found a hole in the pricing structure for sups. will be fixed and server will be rebooted in about an hour +- [19:26]
Birdman_: mircea_popescu: you need bps looted? [19:34]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, how much for a duct tape draft + package? [19:42]
mod6: diana_coman: so do I just download this first? https://github.com/diana-coman/Eulora-client [20:02]
lobbesbot: Title: diana-coman/Eulora-client · GitHub (at github.com) [20:02]
mod6: then drop in the latest files for v1_2 ? [20:02]
mod6: trying this… [20:10]
mircea_popescu: the server is coming down in 5 minutes. [20:11]
mircea_popescu: will be down for ~30 minutes. [20:11]
mircea_popescu: ok, server back up. [20:42]
mircea_popescu: wow check that out, 30 to the dot. [20:42]
mircea_popescu: the changes consist principally in a ~10 fold increase in the base value of CSW and AW, as well as some increases down the line, all the way to worn screens. [20:44]
mircea_popescu: all stacks affected have been reduced by a formula that's basically floor (old * proportion) + 1 [20:44]
mircea_popescu: this nevertheless creates a (small) gain for the players that held affected items. [20:45]
mircea_popescu: all this so that there is no longer a huge gap between the bundle value of a supplication and the finished value of that supplication. [20:45]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron well, the bundle is 148k base, i have the stuff around q200. the bp i can give out on loan. [20:54]
mod6: < mod6> diana_coman: so do I just download this first? https://github.com/diana-coman/Eulora-client << ok so I've compiled this version, but the server wont let me connect. [21:10]
lobbesbot: Title: diana-coman/Eulora-client · GitHub (at github.com) [21:10]
mod6: is there a newer version of the "bigger" package instead of the just "minimal" package? [21:10]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, i can supply the drafts [21:24]
danielpbarron: and how about just 1 of each [21:26]
danielpbarron: i can also supply the velum [21:29]
danielpbarron: at quality 116 [21:30]
mircea_popescu: low q doesn't help me any because it's cooking. [22:35]

November 20, 2015

#eulora Logs for 20 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: 538326.08 + 82684 = 621010, so you get 82684 / 621010 = 13.3144394\% [00:00]
mircea_popescu: best so far! [00:00]
hanbot: nice [00:00]
mircea_popescu: kinda weird thing with this moss, so we did two spots maybe 5 coords apart. [00:02]
mircea_popescu: of the 5 ordinaries, 4 were clustered in one spot. [00:02]
mircea_popescu: 3434! not bad. [00:18]
mircea_popescu: 3434 * 1.35 * 157 = 727836.3 [00:18]
mircea_popescu: a 17\% gain! your share, 96907 [00:19]
mircea_popescu: call it 100k so it's round [00:19]
hanbot: ty [00:19]
DianaComan: hanbot congrats – and I want one of those scones too ! [01:07]
DianaComan: <mircea_popescu> DianaComan how much for 400 ST ? <- that's pretty much all there's left of st , so 6mn – possibly hanbot will find those if she uses a few sticks or something [01:11]
mircea_popescu: why her specifically ? [07:28]
mircea_popescu: and the reason i ask is, i have 4k shrooms together, working on the moss, like 20\% done yest. once i get the boulders and enough high ibs to make a noob make 4k lft, i will be making 4k io. [07:29]
mircea_popescu: once i have 4k io, i'll need to make 20k slag, which obviously is 100k flotsam but that aside – once it's made i can have a noob make me 4k shaped slag, which means… [07:30]
mircea_popescu: 400 samovars. [07:30]
mircea_popescu: which is just about enough samovars to make the FT for all the ppb i'm making. [07:30]
mircea_popescu: will obviously need 4k srs, which is another 20k sr on top of the 60k from slag, so 100k of this, too. [07:30]
mircea_popescu: but whatchagonnado. [07:30]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu> why her specifically ? <- because she's really very lucky it seems at mining, kind of always has been, hasn't she? [07:50]
DianaComan: I will possibly find it in the end on the last spot I dig as part of systematically covering the map, but that is clearly way slower than any other approach pretty much, lol [07:51]
mircea_popescu: so far mining she's been doing the building on my claims. [07:52]
mircea_popescu: it's a pretty good system, really : take noob mining, split result by \% of base value contributed. [07:52]
DianaComan: uhm, this: mircea_popescu> so in 15 sticks i got 1 ord ; in 9 sticks she got 3 ords. [07:52]
DianaComan: is that on your claims? [07:52]
mircea_popescu: ah right you are, this time she used a few sticks too just to see. [07:53]
mircea_popescu: last time it was all my sticks. [07:53]
DianaComan: well, and previously she got those huge pops on tiny and small and whatnot [07:53]
DianaComan: etc [07:53]
mircea_popescu: actually on tiny. [07:53]
DianaComan: there was something else on small I think she has it on her blog [07:53]
mircea_popescu: was it a small ? i recall large tpt haul out of a tiny [07:53]
DianaComan: I'm sure she has a more precise record if needed, but it seems clear enough to me so far that she really is good at this simply for whatever reason [07:54]
mircea_popescu: anyway, to continue the thing with the st : i see 0 ppb buying appetite from anyone else, so i figure you're the one that's going to end up making all the sticks. [07:54]
DianaComan: anyway, I was quite precise there: I really have 453 st in TOTAL and that is that [07:55]
mircea_popescu: turns out lobbes taking the st wasn't that silly after all [07:55]
mircea_popescu: what he got 100 ? 2 ? [07:55]
DianaComan: and yes, I need some for claims anyway – I was kind of holding on hoping for better q, but given the drop in quality otherwise I really need to just go ahead and build all ordinaries I can [07:55]
DianaComan: no idea [07:55]
mircea_popescu: there's also a dozen once someone turns in enough skill items in that old thread [07:56]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan isn't lower quality good ? [07:56]
DianaComan: for mining? [07:56]
DianaComan: god no [07:56]
mircea_popescu: ah [07:56]
mircea_popescu: i've not even been mining last week, no idea what it might be anymore. [07:56]
DianaComan: well, it's kind of : not much else I CAN actually do anyway so [07:57]
mircea_popescu: what q you getting ? [07:57]
DianaComan: I'll have to check again as I left it making threads this night ; yest it was like 137 on lumber/mining, 160 on farming, 188 on basics [07:58]
mircea_popescu: not terribru. [07:58]
mircea_popescu: iirc i was never 137 on non-basics [07:59]
mircea_popescu: btw, we're short on lh now too. you got ? [07:59]
mircea_popescu: http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/Bandar\%20Toolkit_recipes.html <oh, no stick ? [08:01]
lobbesbot: Title: Recipes for Bandar Toolkit (at www.dianacoman.com) [08:01]
DianaComan: I didn't have it last time I updated that, guess it needs an update too [08:01]
DianaComan: will put it on the list for later today [08:01]
mircea_popescu: trying to remember if there's any gotchas. 3 ppb, 1 ft, what else was there ? [08:02]
DianaComan: pss [08:03]
DianaComan: 1-10 [08:03]
mircea_popescu: oh. ha! [08:03]
DianaComan: and thorns [08:03]
DianaComan: 7 thorns [08:03]
mircea_popescu: well thorns we have, in volume, but low q. [08:03]
DianaComan: sucks [08:03]
DianaComan: I use only as high q as I can and probably I'll still need a noob to do a few runs to really get more bps [08:03]
DianaComan: anyway it doesn't make sense to use your 200+ ppb and then stuck in some low q thorns [08:03]
DianaComan: better get some noob make the ppb too then [08:04]
mircea_popescu: anyway, to tally this : 2k sticks takes 6k ppb, of which i've already done like half, +2k ft, which needs 400 samovars, which need 4k shaped slag, which needs 4k oil and 20k slag and 4k srs. [08:04]
mircea_popescu: why would you want noob for ppb ? [08:05]
DianaComan: only if you go for low q thorns I meant [08:05]
mircea_popescu: so we have 100k flotsam for slag + hm what was ibs, 3 flotsam each ? [08:05]
DianaComan: as I use high q ppb, then I want everything else as high q as possible really [08:05]
mircea_popescu: well obviously, but the thorns are 1k out of a 20k recipe. [08:05]
DianaComan: ibs is there, don't remember really [08:05]
mircea_popescu: 2 flotsam 1 sr. 4k lft = 48k ibs = looky here, another 100k f 50k sr. [08:06]
DianaComan: yeah, but the pss will also be less than the ppb anyway and then it all adds up and my overall feeling is that it does make a diff wrt to final loot tally [08:06]
DianaComan: listen, re st [08:07]
DianaComan: we can probably reach a deal on it given I need the toothpaste [08:07]
mircea_popescu: so. flotsam, 200k (100k slag, 100k ibs) + sr, 130k ( 60k slag, 50k ibs, 20k srs) + 400 ST + 20k (high) PSS + 14k (high) TPT [08:07]
DianaComan: + the toothpaste takes ae and all that shit [08:09]
mircea_popescu: now the slag needs to be high, which means 60k sr and 100k flotsam i mean low, but the rest need to be low, which means 100k flotsam and 70k sr i need high. which means i'll have to go mine for it. [08:09]
mircea_popescu: a right, 2k ae for the ft too! [08:09]
DianaComan: and fuck the q in the process again, wonderful [08:09]
mircea_popescu: i know, i shall codename this project wonderful! [08:09]
DianaComan: you'll defo NOT have 2k ae high q AND high q flotsam etc [08:09]
DianaComan: unless we wait for 1 month or so possibly [08:10]
mircea_popescu: why not ? [08:10]
DianaComan: as you mine flotsam high q, you cause q to drop otherwise, hence no high q ae [08:10]
DianaComan: simple [08:10]
mircea_popescu: maybe we get someone with miner skill. [08:10]
DianaComan: well, atm there is nobody; otherwise sure; also if we just wait, hopefully the q can be brought up again in time, of course [08:11]
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't see how this whole boatload can be completed in less than a month. [08:11]
DianaComan: lots of options, just none right now [08:11]
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, if you pop 100k flotsam you got it right off. but otherwise… i get about 2k a day or so. 20 trips. [08:11]
mircea_popescu: that's 2 months for me to get just the flotsam. [08:12]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the upside of this coin is that at least this means sticks process isn't locked. [08:12]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan btw, i've started processing my last 5k of low sr, into srs. will have a final batch of ft in a few hours. [08:13]
DianaComan: kk, I'll prolly be around for a few hours now anyway [08:13]
mircea_popescu: you know… i do have an ae ordinary here… [08:14]
mircea_popescu: a ten million bundle might solve the ae problem. [08:14]
mircea_popescu: ah, wait, it's ,mining isnt it. 130q. [08:14]
DianaComan: yes [08:14]
DianaComan: I actually have one too [08:14]
DianaComan: I probably should build that one too anyway [08:14]
DianaComan: it's kind of frustrating how much time it takes to go through all the keys in the storage etc [08:15]
mircea_popescu: thinking about it i see no problem paying 15k ea for 400 st. [08:21]
mircea_popescu: fair is fair, and it is rare enough. [08:21]
mircea_popescu: yeah once chetty gets back on the horse having the claim type in the key name would be good. [08:22]
DianaComan: that'd be great [08:25]
DianaComan: I was seriously considering rummaging through graphics file and changing colours of keys or something based on tiny/small/etc at least [08:26]
DianaComan: but it's kind of low priority compared to everything else [08:26]
mircea_popescu: i can see that. [08:41]
mircea_popescu: say when you're in town, ill take the st and pass you the baubles. [08:54]
mircea_popescu: no rush, i'll be here forever making rock shards like some god damned savage. [08:54]
DianaComan: ha ha, bashing rocks [09:02]
DianaComan: actually: when would you start on the things/need the high q flotsam and whatever else was high q basics? [09:02]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu I am actually in town as I keep going and coming back to train/store the things from the ords [09:03]
mircea_popescu: onesec will need relog. [09:04]
DianaComan: k [09:05]
mircea_popescu: gotta visit the skystores. [09:05]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan trade [09:08]
mircea_popescu: i'm heavy [09:08]
mircea_popescu: aren't they pretty ? [09:08]
DianaComan: that's exactly what I was thinking: so shiny and nice [09:08]
DianaComan: thanks! [09:08]
mircea_popescu: no no, ty. [09:08]
DianaComan: their base value says 43k actually, so that makes actually much more sense with the rastrum base value etc [09:09]
mircea_popescu: aha. [09:09]
mircea_popescu: who knew auctions could go 100000\% [09:09]
mircea_popescu: prolly a record. [09:09]
DianaComan: well, there was no way to really know the actual value of the thing or line even upfront at all [09:10]
DianaComan: so … [09:10]
mircea_popescu: problem with pricing in eulora is that everything is open ended. [09:10]
mircea_popescu: realistic game = no closed form solutions. [09:11]
DianaComan: + for the moment I find it a bit weird that jewellery as it were seems to consist in items that are kind of cheaper than …cooked stuff? [09:11]
DianaComan: lolz [09:11]
mircea_popescu: but who the fuck knows this. certainly not "developers" [09:11]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan mostly because the line isn't really implemented yet, mostly because the plan is to have the first enchantables come out of there and that needs some more coding. [09:12]
DianaComan: don't really know if the line has really a lot of items atm anyway [09:12]
DianaComan: aha, that's what I thought pretty much, hence not really willing to run down the only table by making only rastrums, neckerbockers and earrings [09:12]
mircea_popescu: earrings will eventually give a slight bonus to carry capacity. [09:12]
DianaComan: yeah, if one can carry those earrings around all day, they certainly can carry more :D [09:13]
mircea_popescu: lol [09:13]
DianaComan: and so, now there are baubles, there will be of course need for …unsteady scaffoldings [09:13]
DianaComan: wonderful2? [09:13]
mircea_popescu: just need molluscs, i got the rest pre-made for 2. [09:14]
mircea_popescu: (scaffolding also takes st. 3 of them.) [09:14]
DianaComan: hm, how many molluscs per us? [09:14]
mircea_popescu: 15 [09:14]
DianaComan: ugh, and I have 10+ wwb ordinaries that take canines and and and…. hate those unfound resources [09:14]
DianaComan: sigh [09:15]
mircea_popescu: o wait, some canines i might sell. lemme see what i got. [09:15]
DianaComan: the turning wheels will have to wait then I guess [09:15]
mircea_popescu: why would mollucs wait on wwb ?! [09:15]
DianaComan: no, not on wwb, not related [09:15]
mircea_popescu: i got a dozen grc. [09:15]
mircea_popescu: q 100. somehow doubt putting them into ords is such a good idea ? [09:16]
DianaComan: it's just that I keep hitting those missing resources every where I turn, lol [09:16]
DianaComan: exactly [09:16]
DianaComan: I also still have about 10 or so, also 100q [09:16]
DianaComan: and yeah, very reluctant to put them in ordinaries [09:16]
DianaComan: I'll do it only in true desperation I guess, lol [09:16]
mircea_popescu: speaking of which once this ft batch is done i guess ima make a pile of sups for grenadine [09:17]
mircea_popescu: i work all day so teh women can play!!11 [09:17]
DianaComan: ha hahahaa [09:17]
mircea_popescu: UNFARE [09:17]
DianaComan: actually, was it from the altar that she got those scones or from building? [09:17]
mircea_popescu: well it'd better be not out of building seeing how then i shouyld get [09:18]
DianaComan: aha [09:18]
mircea_popescu: the thing with us is, you want MY high q product do you ? [09:19]
DianaComan: it is basically the main thing in the wheel recipe as otherwise bauble + 3 toolkits [09:19]
DianaComan: so I guess yes [09:19]
mircea_popescu: are you making the so then ? [09:19]
DianaComan: otherwise not sure what/if any other bps [09:19]
DianaComan: I can make it if that's any help, but I prolly still get some 150q at least on cooking I suppose [09:20]
mircea_popescu: even so. [09:20]
DianaComan: maybe mod6 gets in again… [09:20]
mircea_popescu: was he cooking ? [09:20]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you like cooking any ? [09:21]
DianaComan: well, he can get a book anyway, can't he? [09:21]
mircea_popescu: 60k each, kinda a waste of xp [09:21]
DianaComan: ah, true [09:21]
mircea_popescu: welll… 60k base. more like 120k+ irl. [09:21]
DianaComan: well, as I said, I can do the so if needed, sure [09:21]
mircea_popescu: no oyu gotta want and be all excitedly ecstatic about it! [09:22]
DianaComan: 59 gung-ho so I might still lose some xp there for all I know [09:22]
mircea_popescu: well how much xp does a known qty give you ? [09:22]
mircea_popescu: like say a ft [09:22]
DianaComan: I haven't cooked in ages at all, lol [09:23]
mircea_popescu: this is like "where do you go to school ?" "i dunno, haven't been in ages!" [09:23]
DianaComan: prolly it would be for the best to track those numbers down too , but really the list is already longer than my both arms :p [09:23]
mircea_popescu: go to alf, take shiva lessons. [09:23]
DianaComan: ha, motherhood does that at least to some extent, but apparently the shorter extent or something [09:24]
mircea_popescu: if only you were lucky [09:25]
mircea_popescu: and had triplets [09:25]
DianaComan: since I almost died and he almost dies as it was anyway, guess luck in that case would have meant death for sure [09:25]
DianaComan: died, not dies [09:25]
DianaComan: who's to say what luck is anyway [09:26]
mircea_popescu: o.O [09:26]
danielpbarron: what needs cooking? and how much do samovars go for these days? [09:27]
mircea_popescu: bout 150\% or so. [09:27]
mircea_popescu: what needs cooking is some suspect ointment once i get molluscs. like 6 or so. [09:27]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan i dun have enough ae to make ft. [12:06]
DianaComan: how is that given that I sold you more ae even than for what ppb I had from you? [12:07]
DianaComan: or you mean ft for all the new ppb or what? [12:07]
mircea_popescu: im working on a batch of 100 ft atm. [12:07]
mircea_popescu: and you wanna buy more ppb too ? [12:07]
DianaComan: yes [12:07]
DianaComan: but well, I need first to get quality higher anyway [12:07]
mircea_popescu: aha. [12:07]
DianaComan: so not much sense going right now after ae [12:07]
mircea_popescu: well, scare me up some ae meanwhile. this ft be done in about an hour, pass you a chunk of ppb then too. [12:08]
DianaComan: ugh, what good is the ae still at 137 or whatever? [12:08]
DianaComan: and how much is that scare you want anyway? [12:08]
mircea_popescu: what am i going to do, wait the craft ? [12:08]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, like 30. [12:09]
DianaComan: lemme finish with this stick and I'll go and check, that might be kind of doable though it's kind of lousy to go now after ae on the spot, yuck [12:09]
mircea_popescu: well ok, then what i do is store the leftovers srs and restart the ft line later on. [12:09]
mircea_popescu: prolly have like 60 or so ft here then. [12:09]
DianaComan: that really sounds better [12:10]
mircea_popescu: settled then. [12:10]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu I'm in town, do you want to trade the 60 or so ft now? [12:31]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan still need to make 20 of em. [13:15]
DianaComan: oh, I even looked in storage and I have 20 ae more, but really exactly 20 [13:17]
DianaComan: so not really doing much [13:18]
DianaComan: anyway, it can wait, no hurry [13:18]
DianaComan: will take the 60 ft later as I'll go afk for a while now [13:18]
DianaComan: actually just realised it's more the molluscs that block the building of remarkables, not really the double distillates, as there are some remarkables that take only so and/or grubsilk thread [13:22]
DianaComan: 28 so and I could build a remarkable shiny rock [13:22]
mircea_popescu: i have some thnat really only take thread and some toolkits. [13:23]
DianaComan: don't recall what does the grubsilk thing take – is that the bottleneck? or why not build them otherwise? [14:15]
mircea_popescu: i'd be building them if i didn't build other things [14:24]
mircea_popescu: all ti takes is gin [14:24]
DianaComan: oh, so tlc, hmm [14:50]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan 3 left to go [15:07]
DianaComan: kk, I'm a bit further digging up stuff, ping me when it's done and I'll get back to town [15:08]
mircea_popescu: kk [15:09]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan done [15:36]
DianaComan: on my way [15:36]
DianaComan: ha ha, 60 was 92? [15:38]
mircea_popescu: 645 * 2.03 * 4466 * 1.25 + 92 * 2.06 * 5623 * 1.42 * 1.25 = 9201012.329 [15:39]
mircea_popescu: cheers. [15:40]
mircea_popescu: you selling anu of the result ? [15:40]
DianaComan: do you want in the end the 20 ae now? [15:40]
mircea_popescu: nah going to do a bbb and supp run now, then make more ppb. [15:41]
mircea_popescu: get me a large pile these days tho, otherwise no way to ft. [15:41]
DianaComan: sure, atm anyway the ppb+ft I have would take quite a while to craft as it is [15:41]
DianaComan: + if I craft too much, no increase in quality so it's kind of a bitch to balance in any reasonable way [15:42]
mircea_popescu: aha. [15:42]
DianaComan: if I get to make a huge pile of sticks, I'll sell some, sure, so far I pretty much used up all I made as soon as I got the chance [15:43]
mircea_popescu: ha [15:43]
DianaComan: the best was some 120 lh from an ord I guess [15:43]
DianaComan: at least it bumped up a bit my building as it's hell to get it to budge now [15:43]
mircea_popescu: o yeah i need lh too [15:44]
mircea_popescu: god damned, my bbb bundle is 152. this is the absolute fucking worst [15:45]
DianaComan: do you remember at all what was that remarkable thread only of? I seem to have/find only thread+so [15:45]
mircea_popescu: .54 * 5355 = 2891.7 [15:45]
mircea_popescu: exactly the samovar decay. [15:45]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan grass. [15:45]
DianaComan: neah, you got that wrong, it nees so too [15:46]
mircea_popescu: does it ? [15:46]
DianaComan: 41 threads and 7 so [15:46]
DianaComan: yep [15:46]
mircea_popescu: ah k then [15:46]
DianaComan: I'd really love to build some remarkables now to just move this q up somehow [15:47]
mircea_popescu: well, auction ord bundle technically bigger than a remarkable. [15:47]
DianaComan: yeah, but for one thing it is only one and for the other who knows where it ends up exactly as price [15:48]
DianaComan: + 1 week until it, lol [15:49]
mircea_popescu: yea [15:51]
danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/eulorian https://facebook.com/eulorian https://www.instagram.com/eulorian/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEgelTQ0KJYS5CJdGEyU2QA [22:21]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulorian Elder (@eulorian) Twitter (at twitter.com) [22:21]
danielpbarron: i'm gonna get cancer from all this social media [22:21]
thestringpuller: i'll def subscribe to the youtube channel [22:47]
mod6: haha, nice mugshot [22:59]

November 19, 2015

#eulora Logs for 19 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
birdman_: DianaComan: do you know the base value for a draft of 100+q [00:48]
birdman_: common draft [00:48]
danielpbarron: supplication drafts [00:49]
mircea_popescu: draft of what ? [00:52]
birdman_: sup of berries, mosses, leather, stones, snails [00:53]
mircea_popescu: ah, the drafts are very low – 3, 4 copper base sort of thing [00:55]
mircea_popescu: wqhat they use is also nominally cheap – i'm paying 200 to the tiny / 1k to the small, but their actual merchant value is maybe 1/100 that. [00:56]
mircea_popescu: the snail is iirc 20 copper base. [00:57]
birdman_: 200 / 1k per enum? [00:57]
mircea_popescu: yes [00:57]
birdman_: hm [00:57]
mircea_popescu: it's good money, for sure. [00:57]
birdman_: yeah no doubt [00:58]
danielpbarron: i leave it gathering barehanded all the time, usually come back to about enough enumerations to make one supplication [00:58]
mircea_popescu: not bad. [00:58]
birdman_: do you know if the enum's q effects the sups q [00:58]
mircea_popescu: not that i've seen, i always make q 207 or w/e sups. [00:58]
danielpbarron: yes we do. it doesn't [00:58]
danielpbarron: quality of enumerations effects overcraft, just like everything lese [00:59]
birdman_: iirc you said that enumerations wouldn't be found with the claims in the future? [00:59]
mircea_popescu: myeah [00:59]
birdman_: mircea_popescu: trade me in game, i owe you a "a few days bezzle" [01:09]
DianaComan: <mircea_popescu> so DianaComan : working on a set of toothpaste. the limiting factor is abandoned eggs. you got ? <- sure [03:49]
DianaComan: I have 303 ppb in storage, so 100 ae for that, right? got that [03:50]
DianaComan: incidentally mircea_popescu is that Eulora poster available in some format that can be easily printed? guess it can't hurt to get some copies pinned around the uni campus here [05:19]
mircea_popescu: where is here ? [08:33]
DianaComan: uk, reading uni [09:36]
DianaComan: http://www.reading.ac.uk/ [09:36]
lobbesbot: Title: Discover the University of Reading – study, live and socialise at one of the top 1\% universities in the world University of Reading (at www.reading.ac.uk) [09:36]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan have you met any of these brave young fellows populating reading ? [09:38]
mircea_popescu: the only thing i'd pay them to do is slit their own throats. [09:38]
mircea_popescu: save isis the trouble. [09:38]
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/shop.txt updated prices and some new inventory [09:39]
mircea_popescu: or, if you prefer the alternative formulation, http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-11-09.log.html#t04:28:25 [09:40]
lobbesbot: Title: #Eulora log for Monday, 2015-11-09 (at logs.minigame.bz) [09:40]
mircea_popescu: btw lobbes could it read the log line instead of the page title ? [09:41]
DianaComan: heh, I have some coming to me to figure out some Maths really – about 50\% run after a few lessons complaining that it is too hard and I'm happy with that [09:41]
DianaComan: but those are usually 15-17yo [09:41]
mircea_popescu: we will grow old and die surrounded by monkeys. [09:41]
mircea_popescu: you ever read "planeta fara memorie" ? [09:42]
DianaComan: the uni just happens to be around the corner to where I live and it has a nice campus (huge park with lake etc) [09:42]
mircea_popescu: yeah, don't take it the wrong way, your offer is nice and appreciated, just [09:42]
mircea_popescu: the western maggots aren't fit to make salami, in my view. [09:42]
DianaComan: that's why I asked just for a version to print – I don't expect much out of it really [09:42]
mircea_popescu: who knew i'd end up racist in my old days. [09:42]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the poster itself actually is on trilema, which is still down. [09:43]
DianaComan: I remember that book vaguely as I read it when I was..12? [09:43]
mircea_popescu: aha me 2 :D [09:43]
DianaComan: wow, 4k wm, that's nice danielpbarron [09:45]
DianaComan: oh, do you have that toothpaste/want the eggs? [09:48]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu ^ [09:49]
DianaComan: actually come to think about it hmmm, I'll go to Ro next week [09:50]
mircea_popescu: well hopefully what's left of this decaying civilisation can get a website online in a week. [09:50]
DianaComan: might make more sense there [09:50]
DianaComan: I'll check it out from there [09:51]
DianaComan: anyway: abandoned eggs? 101 or more? [09:51]
mircea_popescu: about i would guess 1k or so. [09:51]
DianaComan: heh, no noob for that I'm afraid [09:52]
mircea_popescu: no i want this high q. [09:53]
mircea_popescu: ruins my soup if it's low. [09:53]
DianaComan: well, it's mining and q are still kind of low, so it's like 137 not more [09:53]
DianaComan: coming to town [09:53]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron well, those recipes i'd buy but sadly too expensive as they are for me. willing to go 3,5mn on the shrooms, seeing how nice amt. [09:54]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu trade? [09:56]
DianaComan: 173 ae 137q [09:56]
mircea_popescu: kk [09:56]
mircea_popescu: o what the fuck. i am currently using 170s. [09:56]
mircea_popescu: this what you digging out ? [09:57]
DianaComan: yes, this is what I am digging out now – my building goes up, my q goes down or stays same, it's nuts [09:57]
DianaComan: and it's mining, there is nothing I can do [09:57]
mircea_popescu: ;/ [09:57]
mircea_popescu: well, ima have to jack up the ft. [09:57]
DianaComan: I still have a set of ordinaries to go through in an attempt to get it higher [09:58]
DianaComan: but… [09:58]
mircea_popescu: anyway, 116256 i see ? [09:58]
DianaComan: ? [09:58]
DianaComan: that's fine with me though not sure how you got to that [09:58]
DianaComan: your formula or what? [09:58]
lobbes: <mircea_popescu> btw lobbes could it read the log line instead of the page title ? << you got it. that one is first on my list on bot improvements. Got a week of work-from-home coming up so maybe soon.. no promises though ;/ [09:59]
mircea_popescu: yep [09:59]
mircea_popescu: cool. [09:59]
mircea_popescu: dun worry about it, when you get to it. [09:59]
DianaComan: so what's the toothpaste? [09:59]
mircea_popescu: one sec [10:01]
mircea_popescu: holy shit 17k io bps! [10:02]
DianaComan: congrat [10:03]
mircea_popescu: so DianaComan got 56 ft at 208. im seeing 930k for it. [10:03]
DianaComan: well, I don't really have much choice now as it is [10:04]
DianaComan: you know, it's your mining that got the q so down, lol [10:05]
mircea_popescu: in better news, i am processing a humongo batch of solid branch. [10:05]
mircea_popescu: projected to get ~2k ppb out of it. [10:05]
DianaComan: well, all that ppb requires ae too [10:05]
DianaComan: the bright side of that is more the fact that it will keep you out of mining for a while so I have some time to get the q up again [10:06]
DianaComan: :p [10:06]
DianaComan: guess what: no trades other than with you and I am out of change again [10:06]
DianaComan: thanks [10:07]
mircea_popescu: holy shit, 0.25 BTC worth of crafting\ [10:07]
mircea_popescu: is this the record ? [10:07]
DianaComan: I never EVER got anything greater than 0.08 as far as I know, so I wouldn't know, lol [10:08]
DianaComan: but congrats anyway [10:08]
mircea_popescu: now if only i could buy all that shroomage, i could use all these bps. [10:09]
mircea_popescu: course i dun have the rocks or the sm. [10:11]
danielpbarron: i don't know if i can repeat the success as it took most of my 400 quality snakeskin [10:11]
mircea_popescu: you got any q 22 moss laying around DianaComan ? [10:11]
DianaComan: lemme check [10:11]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron do you discount if i offer some ss in the bargain ? [10:11]
danielpbarron: what quality? [10:12]
mircea_popescu: 100, it was merchant. afaik ss never found. [10:12]
DianaComan: most moss I have is around 136 with some 153 or ther [10:12]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron can you create the moss and rocks to go with this absolutely fabulour wm cache ? [10:13]
mircea_popescu: i'll explain in detail what my business consideration is here. if i overpay on the wm, it makes a huge difference to me whether i can put it in the commerce cycle right off, or have to hold it. potentially as i hold it the rarity value decays and x years from now i'd have made a bad deal buying it. [10:14]
danielpbarron: you would turn it all into oil, no? [10:15]
mircea_popescu: yes. [10:15]
mircea_popescu: i conceivably have uses for that much oil, too. [10:16]
danielpbarron: 4k oil at over 200 quality is worth close to half a bitcoin [10:16]
mircea_popescu: so it is, sure. [10:17]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, why not take 500\% base price for the shrooms, i'd readily pay q 110 on them. [10:20]
danielpbarron: DianaComan, are you selling supplication drafts? [10:20]
DianaComan: those I have, sure (so no moss, stones, snails etc as I don't have those) [10:21]
DianaComan: I guess I'll auction some of the items too on Sunday or there [10:21]
danielpbarron: birdman has them all but we can't figure out a price [10:21]
DianaComan: what does he want for them? [10:22]
DianaComan: hanbot are you selling any of the moss/leather/snails/stones supp drafts? [10:22]
danielpbarron: oh right, hanbot has them [10:22]
DianaComan: ahahaha, this must be just about the WORST ordinary ever – 28 wpl out of it [10:22]
DianaComan: …. [10:23]
mircea_popescu: pretty shitty. [10:23]
DianaComan: considering it takes 7 tlc , 6 eps, 7 dcs plus some other things it is more than shitty [10:24]
mircea_popescu: ouch [10:25]
mircea_popescu: btw i need a ton of dcs [10:25]
DianaComan: well, atm they are first in line for the ordinaries as otherwise I really stand NO chance of getting quality up at all [10:26]
danielpbarron: i might be in the market for some chetty sticks [10:26]
mircea_popescu: bitches and moans. [10:27]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron can you add 16k moss of same-ish quality to the pot ? [10:27]
danielpbarron: do you have any of those 400 quality molluscs left? [10:29]
mircea_popescu: i sold them to her! [10:29]
mircea_popescu: damn. [10:30]
mircea_popescu: hey danielpbarron how would you like to take a social media job for s.mg, be paid in high q molluscs ? [10:30]
danielpbarron: heh [10:30]
danielpbarron: what would it entail? [10:31]
mircea_popescu: what do you like ? twitter, facebook and what ? instagram ? tumblr ? [10:31]
danielpbarron: i'm not completely free from my sokoban job yet [10:31]
mircea_popescu: ahahahahaa you ever played that game ? [10:31]
mircea_popescu: this reference kicked ass, i'm still lolzing [10:31]
danielpbarron: i like none of those, but i have an account on all of them [10:32]
danielpbarron: twitter is best [10:32]
danielpbarron: i played the game a little after asciilifeform referenced it in his rating for me [10:33]
mircea_popescu: so how about this : three tweets a day (srsly i've seen you do this anyway, which is how we're talking of this), one facebook post a day (1-300 words, one pic, can reuse instagram), 3 instagrams a week, one youtube video (30s – 1 minute) a week. all these on dedicated eulora accounts. [10:34]
danielpbarron: i'll have to see if my comp can record a video [10:35]
mircea_popescu: should be trivial really. [10:36]
danielpbarron: a video of gameplay i'm assuming [10:36]
mircea_popescu: can be you talking, can be whatever. [10:37]
danielpbarron: nobody wants to see me talking [10:37]
mircea_popescu: fuck them, who asked them anything. [10:38]
danielpbarron: it all sounds like something i'd like to do, and do well. let me think about this and also confirm that i can make a video before making a commitment. should know by the end of the day [10:41]
mircea_popescu: cool. [10:41]
mircea_popescu: and ima pay you in q 1337 molluscs, so there is that. [10:42]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan how many turning table bps you got ? [10:44]
DianaComan: uhm, don't know right now, but should be at least 5 [10:45]
DianaComan: will check next time I'm in town [10:45]
danielpbarron: as for the shrooms, if you could do 1.25 quality price (1'087.5 per) i'd say we have a deal right now, otherwise let me wait and see if i can also get the moss and boulders [10:45]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron we got a deal right now. [10:45]
danielpbarron: heh, k [10:45]
danielpbarron: i can deliver now too, just need to go to game comp. should I? [10:46]
mircea_popescu: sure, if convenient. if not later, im around. [10:47]
danielpbarron: k. will be there in a min [10:47]
danielpbarron: whoops, i used the wrong base price in that quote. it's 780 not 870 [10:51]
mircea_popescu: 3900000 is what i came to. [10:52]
danielpbarron: ya that's right [10:52]
DianaComan: mhm, has someone found a table? or is that empty table in the village mine? [10:54]
DianaComan: ah, found it, yes, nm [10:54]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, i'm offering a trade [10:55]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu my recollection was spot on: I have 5 bps for the turning table [10:55]
DianaComan: turning wheel, lol [10:55]
mircea_popescu: sec crafdt almost done danielpbarron [10:57]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan ok, so next time we trade you get 6 bubbles. nice work on the bot et all. [10:58]
mircea_popescu: i couldn't normally do this, lest the auction winner be sad, but since you're it… [10:58]
DianaComan: yaaaay, thank you [10:58]
mircea_popescu: just count it as a 240mn donation :D [10:58]
DianaComan: well, it will bring down the price on those rastrums for sure [10:58]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ? [10:58]
danielpbarron: i keep offering a trade [11:03]
mircea_popescu: again plx [11:04]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron [11:04]
mircea_popescu: yay. thanks! [11:05]
mircea_popescu: with the ones i dug up myself that's 4.4 k !!1 [11:05]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron if i sell you some sticks, do you go mossing with them ? i defo need more low q moss [11:06]
danielpbarron: for moss i'm also gonna need some high quality clovers, harlots, shrooms [11:06]
mircea_popescu: damn. [11:07]
danielpbarron: looks at DianaComan [11:07]
mircea_popescu: o wait, that's what diana mines [11:07]
DianaComan: ord moss takes molluscs… [11:07]
danielpbarron: i might have a steady supply of those / just thinking what else i would need [11:08]
danielpbarron: the clovers i might be able to make myself [11:08]
danielpbarron: i still have a nice stack of 2000+ quality berries to sacrifice [11:08]
DianaComan: well, clovers and harlots I can provide though q keeps changing so can't promise anything on that [11:08]
DianaComan: shrooms are lumber [11:08]
danielpbarron: well my shrooms come out at quality 90 [11:09]
danielpbarron: and to think i used to get over 150 [11:09]
DianaComan: I should get 137 now same as ae I suppose [11:10]
mircea_popescu: i used to get 130s, not sure now [11:10]
mircea_popescu: have not been mining in forever. [11:10]
mircea_popescu: but the idea with sticks danielpbarron is that you mostly get smalls, but high valeu smalls [11:10]
DianaComan: I am currently focusing on getting my build q up overall, but can't tell how quick can I get better /if at all [11:11]
mircea_popescu: so the trick is to tkae the 22 q noob there. still around ? [11:11]
danielpbarron: i should also have a steady supply of noob labor to exploit [11:11]
DianaComan: do you danielpbarron? [11:11]
danielpbarron: i don't know if i believe in this "high value small" idea [11:12]
danielpbarron: it goes against everything i know about overcrafting [11:12]
DianaComan: ?? do you mean you consider the smalls from sticks same with other smalls? [11:12]
danielpbarron: or i should say, the value of a claim having to do with the tool used [11:12]
danielpbarron: yeah, how can you tell the differene [11:13]
DianaComan: not sure if it has to do as a general rule, but most if not all small claims from sticks turned out with a kind of minimum value above that of other smalls [11:13]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron in point of fact stick smalls are usually higher yield than hoe smalls [11:15]
mircea_popescu: seen this 100s of times by now. [11:15]
mircea_popescu: btw anyone want 1k ppb ? q 200+ [11:16]
DianaComan: I'll take that mircea_popescu [11:21]
mircea_popescu: o.O [11:22]
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone selling me low q sr so as to make srs ? [11:22]
mircea_popescu: also i want say 4k low q ibs. anyone got ? [11:23]
DianaComan: still has that dubious too-high-and-too-low-at-the-same-time quality [11:24]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan get a noob to go with you, stick the place. [11:25]
mircea_popescu: "all sr hands up in the eyre, this is a chettystickup!" [11:25]
DianaComan: yeah, they keep saying they'll get in and they never appear, lol [11:25]
mircea_popescu: you teaching any classes ? [11:25]
DianaComan: no, yuck [11:25]
mircea_popescu: i was gonna say, "so put it on the credit for stragglers, play eulora get a 5" [11:26]
DianaComan: I'd rather at least filter those I teach, thank you [11:26]
mircea_popescu: it's what moisil used to do! [11:26]
DianaComan: I already had rows with the …nursery for that matter and I'm not supposed to teach there – I'd probably make the news if I were to teach in a school here [11:27]
mircea_popescu: (i dunno if this is actually true or not. but i have heard the story of a student that dug up his garden over summer, for passing grade.) [11:27]
mircea_popescu: lol you have a "phd by age 5" programme in place ? [11:27]
DianaComan: no, I just can't stand idiotic paperwork which requires me to "ask for permission" to go on holidays with my son [11:28]
DianaComan: wtf [11:28]
mircea_popescu: lmao what ?! [11:35]
DianaComan: re teaching, out of the 15+ high schools around here, judging by their students (I kind of got to know a few from each by now) there is basically ONE which actually teaches Maths at least reasonably ok (including actually reasoning! and using proper terms for proper things omg) and that is that [11:35]
DianaComan: yeah, that was something I never thought was possible: so the story they gave me was that school is mandatory so parent's are not supposed to take their children out of school during term time [11:36]
DianaComan: now this is anyway nursery so I told them to bark at the right tree at least with that [11:36]
DianaComan: but oh no, the "system" (i.e. computer system) [11:37]
DianaComan: long story short, in the end they somehow found a solution and I don't care which, but I did not fill in their bloody form [11:37]
mircea_popescu: why are you raising the poor unfortunate child in that hellhole. [11:40]
mircea_popescu: ok, so "this time" they whatever. and next time ? [11:40]
DianaComan: all I can see is a huge and diverse collection of hellholes [11:41]
DianaComan: what is NOT a hellhole? [11:41]
mircea_popescu: sucks huh. i can see where you're coming from. [11:41]
mircea_popescu: for the male perspective, the answer is plain enough, if i had kids i'd raise them in peshawar. [11:41]
mircea_popescu: from the female perspective… good god. [11:42]
DianaComan: exactly [11:42]
DianaComan: so my approach is that he'll have to learn to fight the hellhole and that'll hopefully be reasonable experience as there is for sure fight enough on all fronts [11:43]
mircea_popescu: i think i might have heard this before [11:44]
mircea_popescu: once or twice a generation. for fifty thousand years or so [11:44]
DianaComan: sure, it's not as if hellholes are modern invention really [11:45]
DianaComan: in the end it's that thing: if he has it to be anything, he'll be, hellhole or not [11:46]
DianaComan: if not, not anyway [11:46]
DianaComan: then again, it's not as if I'm married to this particular place in any way really [11:48]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ << shop updated also. [11:55]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulora Shop on Trilema – A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [11:55]
DianaComan: lol, some < missing s, thorns /strong>, [11:58]
DianaComan: cr is found – doesn't that do anything for the wine ? [11:59]
mircea_popescu: oh damn, yeah, re-editing. [12:01]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ < restated. [12:04]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan trilema.com/hiring.png since you were asking [12:26]
DianaComan: oh, that looks neat, downloading it [12:27]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan btw you gonna sell sticks ? [17:23]
DianaComan: if I get all that ppb and make it into sticks, yes [17:24]
DianaComan: I'll have to check that I still have *enough* toolkits too I suppose [17:25]
mircea_popescu: ehehe [17:25]
mircea_popescu: incidentally : there won't be an official auction this week. [17:37]
mircea_popescu: however, NEXT week, we're going to do a 10 mn copper ordinary bundle, winner picks the type. [17:38]
DianaComan: from morning till now, my tinkering q went from 159 to 156 [18:10]
DianaComan: that 10mn bundle sounds like a very very interesting loot and at the same time…a large loss of xp most likely [18:10]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan from morning till now i processed an immense pile of sb. [18:17]
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> however, NEXT week, we're going to do a 10 mn copper ordinary bundle, winner picks the type << whoa. [18:36]
mircea_popescu: aha. [18:39]
mircea_popescu: ironically, best won by a noob, i expect. [18:39]
lobbesbot: News from eulora: Eulora auction, Sunday the End Of November! <http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-auction-sunday-the-end-of-november/> [18:41]
hanbot: in today's bizarre loots, 3x A Butch Man's Buttered Scones! [19:29]
hanbot: which, being potions, is kinda very exciting?! [19:30]
danielpbarron: who said the winner has to be the builder? [20:01]
mircea_popescu: nobody ? [20:08]
mircea_popescu: o wow wd hanbot [20:09]
mircea_popescu: you selling them ? [20:09]
danielpbarron: is testing a thing called media-video/recordmydesktop [20:13]
danielpbarron: is "ennumeration" intentionally spelled with the double-n? or is this a typo? [20:26]
mircea_popescu: typo. [20:40]
hanbot: mircea_popescu well does it qualify for http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-sunday-event-july-the-19th/ ? [20:46]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulora Sunday Event – July the 19th on Trilema – A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [20:46]
mircea_popescu: hanbot so it does. [20:46]
danielpbarron: https://youtu.be/SbMivoAtCzc [20:47]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulora Test Video – YouTube (at youtu.be) [20:47]
mircea_popescu: not bad! [20:50]
mircea_popescu: incidentally : you know you can make the game screen wider yes ? [20:51]
danielpbarron: i usually go full screen [20:51]
danielpbarron: alt+enter [20:51]
mircea_popescu: a k [20:53]
mircea_popescu: also should prolly frame-compress it, 1.5:1 or something [20:53]
hanbot: so i'm about to eat one of these here butchy scones, if anyone's curious. i wonder if i should have a babysitter for this… [20:53]
mircea_popescu: hahaha [20:54]
danielpbarron: video recorder doesn't like full screen [20:56]
hanbot: well that was anti-climatic [20:57]
danielpbarron: the name sounds vaguely familiar to me / did it give you sortage or something? [20:58]
hanbot: nope [20:58]
danielpbarron: alright i figured out how this desktoprecord thing lets me specify x-y coordinates and that'll have to do [21:16]
hanbot: …and suddenly, i'm a lumberjack and i'm okay! [21:18]
danielpbarron: !! [21:18]
danielpbarron: go get me some high quality shrooms [21:18]
mircea_popescu: o shit! [21:18]
mircea_popescu: hanbot you got another one ? [21:20]
mircea_popescu: a got 3. there's gonna be an auction ? [21:20]
hanbot: there's gonna be an auction. 28th after the bundle thingy. [21:20]
mircea_popescu: oh not this sun ? [21:21]
hanbot: tell you what, i hear a request from more than two players to auction the scones (i have two) this sunday, i'll do it this sunday [21:22]
mircea_popescu: im paying 1mn for one anytime. [21:23]
mircea_popescu: heck, for all it matters the formalism is not even necessary…. people can just bid here. [21:23]
mircea_popescu: btw you know what you should get hanbot ? eps. [21:24]
hanbot: aha [21:29]
hanbot: <danielpbarron> go get me some high quality shrooms << will take some levelin'! [21:29]
mircea_popescu: that auction winb totally put grenadine on the firmament huh. [21:30]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan how much for 400 ST ? [22:31]
hanbot: mircea_popescu so for these mossy ordinaries i'ma need 24 lh, 16 nt, and 4 high q grasses. also high q tlc (8) and wm (also 8) i guess, since my own are kinda low and it'd be a shame to mix qs thusly. that means 12 high q dm too. [22:49]
hanbot: basically, all the things. dumptruck pls. [22:49]
mircea_popescu: i might be out of nt [22:50]
mircea_popescu: so in 15 sticks i got 1 ord ; in 9 sticks she got 3 ords. [22:51]
mircea_popescu: da fuck. [22:51]
hanbot: 4 [22:52]
mircea_popescu: oh. [22:52]
hanbot: i toldja my stickdance was good :D [22:53]
mircea_popescu: lol [22:53]
mircea_popescu: lesee here [23:01]
mircea_popescu: 30 * 71 * 1.38 + 5 * 60 * 10.0 + 7 * 780 * 1.3 + 4 * 1963 * 4.49 = 48292.88 [23:02]
mircea_popescu: to which add 24 * 20202 = 484848 or 533140.88 total. [23:03]
hanbot: nt? [23:03]
mircea_popescu: 20 * 87 * 2.98! [23:03]
mircea_popescu: 538326.08 total. [23:03]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, I want the social media job. What's the next step? [23:09]
mircea_popescu: ima pay you for the first month in advance and that's that, you just keep to it. [23:10]
mircea_popescu: gonna start tomorrow or when ? [23:10]
danielpbarron: I can do that [23:11]
mircea_popescu: alrighty. what do you figure, 30 a month ? [23:12]
danielpbarron: 30 what? [23:14]
mircea_popescu: dm q 1337 [23:14]
danielpbarron: how about 200? [23:22]
mircea_popescu: mmm [23:22]
mircea_popescu: 100! [23:22]
danielpbarron: alright [23:29]
mircea_popescu: cool beans. [23:31]
mircea_popescu: meet me in town in like 5 you can get your first payoff! [23:31]
mircea_popescu: hit me [23:33]
mircea_popescu: enjoy! [23:34]
danielpbarron: you said to use "dedicated accounts" — do these exist already or am I to make them? [23:36]
mircea_popescu: make 'em [23:47]
hanbot: mircea_popescu ftr i put in 1096 * .74 * 10 + 1963 * 1.66 * 4 + 1963 * .51 * 6 + 780 * .92 * 10 = 34326 [23:54]
mircea_popescu: and thread ? [23:54]
mircea_popescu: 19 * 7 * 180 * what, 205 ? [23:55]
hanbot: 202. so 48358 the thread. 82684 tot [23:59]

November 18, 2015

#eulora Logs for 18 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: of course, at least i got 400 bouq. [00:36]
mircea_popescu: hanbot so how'd we do ? [00:44]
hanbot: 117md & 220wm over 12 [00:45]
mircea_popescu: ok so that's 240000 + 24541.92 * 2 + 20426.7 + 9 * 7 * 180 * 2.02 = 332417.34 cost, 6.890\% yours [00:47]
mircea_popescu: and 117 * 2 + 220 = 454k loot, 136\% return [00:47]
hanbot: nice [00:48]
mircea_popescu: 31.28k your share. [00:49]
hanbot: :) [00:50]
mircea_popescu: heh check it out… i left a large craft going and went to bed. within 15 minutes, i lost connection. [01:28]
mircea_popescu: played fine whole day, not lost connection once. [01:28]
mircea_popescu: lol left it doing ppb overnight, got 0.04 + 0.05. nb. [08:22]
mircea_popescu: anyone buying ppb btw ? q 205ish [08:22]
DianaComan: I'll buy the ppb [08:29]
DianaComan: and corresponding toothpaste please, mircea_popescu [08:29]
mircea_popescu: well, for now you can have the ppb. [08:30]
mircea_popescu: i got 300, at 127\%. [08:30]
DianaComan: re rastrums: I can make some, but not 1100 as the table has about 200 max in it; I'll check a bit later and get back with a precise number [08:30]
DianaComan: ok [08:30]
DianaComan: out of curiosity: why 127\%? [08:31]
mircea_popescu: maffs! [08:31]
DianaComan: btw the rastrums will be expensive in any case as the table decay is insane [08:31]
mircea_popescu: well come up with some numbers. [08:31]
DianaComan: will do [08:31]
mircea_popescu: did you also want lbn ? or a table ? both ? [08:32]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you around ? [08:32]
DianaComan: how much is the table? [08:32]
DianaComan: lbn yes [08:32]
mircea_popescu: 1020k. 680 dura. [08:32]
mircea_popescu: how much lbn ? [08:34]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, ya [08:34]
DianaComan: uhm,1.5 and low durability ugh, I think I'll pass on the table for now then [08:34]
mircea_popescu: low ?! [08:34]
DianaComan: they used to come at 700k min? [08:34]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron meet in town for your table ? [08:34]
danielpbarron: k [08:34]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan mmm, it's like 330 base. [08:34]
DianaComan: btw, do you want that 1k tubers mircea_popescu? [08:36]
DianaComan: and the tiny/small enums wwb and wpl? [08:36]
mircea_popescu: sure. [08:36]
DianaComan: k, will take out [08:36]
mircea_popescu: trade danielpbarron [08:36]
DianaComan: and…lost connection again, wtf [08:37]
danielpbarron: ah, c rash [08:37]
danielpbarron: i had 93 million on me [08:37]
DianaComan: it shows the server up, but then it won't connect [08:37]
danielpbarron: crashed right as i was placing coins [08:37]
mircea_popescu: nuts. [08:38]
danielpbarron: ah, no crash [08:38]
danielpbarron: just lag [08:38]
mircea_popescu: i dun think it crashed. i just saw you pop off. [08:38]
mircea_popescu: also trade got closed. [08:38]
DianaComan: weird that now it seems to happen to you too danielpbarron; until now it seemed it was only me and I thought it had to do with my location [08:39]
DianaComan: mhm [08:39]
mircea_popescu: got it ? [08:39]
danielpbarron: ya [08:39]
danielpbarron: thanks [08:39]
mircea_popescu: my pleasure. [08:40]
mircea_popescu: i'll say this tandem mining business with a noob is a pleasure. [08:41]
mircea_popescu: you folks gotta try it sometime. [08:41]
DianaComan: have 10k lbn for sale mircea_popescu? [08:42]
DianaComan: thinks it's noobs missing, NOT knowledge of how good it is to tandem mine with them [08:43]
mircea_popescu: well get a friend. you can have tea while the sticks go. very relaxing. [08:44]
mircea_popescu: and sure. [08:44]
DianaComan: 101k the enums, 177k the tubers (125\%) [08:48]
mircea_popescu: 303 * 2.04 *4466 *1.27 – (12 * 3000 + 178 * 200 + 924 * 1.76 * 87 * 1.25) = 3257411 [08:49]
DianaComan: yeah, was trying to get to bank for change, ugh [08:50]
DianaComan: have change from 4m? [08:50]
mircea_popescu: nope. [08:51]
mircea_popescu: go get it. [08:51]
DianaComan: take this and will give you in a min the 257411? [08:51]
DianaComan: (can't do it now as overweight bla bla [08:51]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, selling any pointy clump of slag? [08:53]
mircea_popescu: i just got 400 shrooms so i ll be making oil if anyone got some low q ltf for me ? [08:53]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan alright. [08:54]
mircea_popescu: keeping some change won't kill you yuy know! [08:54]
DianaComan: ? sure, it just somehow keeps ending up given in trades, mostly with you, not sure what are you on about, lol [08:55]
mircea_popescu: mno. it flows the other way! [08:55]
DianaComan: really… [08:55]
mircea_popescu: alright got the lbn too [08:55]
DianaComan: wtf does the bank do now?? [08:56]
DianaComan: desposited 2 coins [08:56]
DianaComan: asked to exchange and it doesn't seem to show them? [08:57]
DianaComan: ugh [08:57]
DianaComan: ah, update trouble [08:57]
mircea_popescu: yeah gotta reopen inv [08:58]
mircea_popescu: anyway, add 520k for teh bits. [08:58]
mircea_popescu: danke [08:59]
DianaComan: thanks, when would toothpaste be ready too? [08:59]
mircea_popescu: hm. [09:00]
mircea_popescu: prolly this week i'd say. [09:01]
DianaComan: btw can you train now above 600 with heina? [09:03]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> i just got 400 shrooms so i ll be making oil if anyone got some low q ltf for me ? << i can try, but i really want the high quality pointy slag; I have some low quality oil ready for this [09:16]
mircea_popescu: ah if you got the oil then can do. bring it over. [09:16]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu, danielpbarron: atm I can make a maximum of…180 rastrums and they seem to come out at 154q; due to price paid for bubble (see transcript of relevant auction) and corresponding table decay, the price comes at 225k per rastrum; fyi rastrum otherwise has a base value of 1329 as far as I can tell (I did check it with value calculated based on ingredients and it seems to fit so hopefully it is not another artefact of [09:30]
DianaComan: inventory bug) [09:30]
DianaComan: tbh the lapidary line atm seems insane to me in terms of rarity of the bubble + huge decay combine with otherwise very low value of items created (at least those that I could find the bps for, so far) [09:31]
danielpbarron: yeah, i doubt mircea_popescu wants to pay 2.5 mn per book [09:32]
DianaComan: obviously, if somebody sells me a cheap bubble, the price will go down accordingly [09:32]
mircea_popescu: ahaha 3mn a book ? that can't be. [09:32]
DianaComan: the table had 225 rastrums MAX in it, to start with [09:33]
mircea_popescu: well yeah, but still, im getting way more than one level of gathering for ~100 chetty sticks. [09:33]
DianaComan: as I said: VERY expensive and lapidary atm basically insane proposition [09:33]
DianaComan: I mean: rastrum has base value of 1329 but only tool decay is already 2273q points… [09:34]
DianaComan: how does that make sense? [09:34]
mircea_popescu: in some places i find that very advanhtageous\ [09:36]
mircea_popescu: guarantees bp drops. [09:36]
mircea_popescu: anyway, 11 at something like 3 + 2k or whatever, plus what else the book costs, might even be sane. [09:37]
DianaComan: the insane part is the bubble simply [09:40]
DianaComan: all starts from there [09:40]
DianaComan: interestingly enough ftr my q on lapidary seems to have gone DOWN over the last few weeks despite otherwise training my tinkering up in this interval (and my actual tinkering q going up really in the same interval); [09:45]
danielpbarron: http://www.eulorum.org/User_talk:Danielpbarron << started a table of base values [09:45]
lobbesbot: Title: User talk:Danielpbarron – Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) [09:45]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan i been crafting a lot. [09:46]
DianaComan: but then my tinkering q should ALSO go down, no? [09:52]
mircea_popescu: hm. guess so, yeah. [09:53]
DianaComan: well, it has gone UP [09:53]
mircea_popescu: hm\ [09:55]
DianaComan: danielparron that looks good – I am rather hoping that the inventory bug gets fixed at some point and then I could get all values directly and dump them [09:59]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, i think it's done? [10:10]
mircea_popescu: aha trade me [10:10]
mircea_popescu: 17* 8824 * 2.04 * 1.25 – 17 * 5439 * 1.49 * 1.25 = 210k [10:12]
danielpbarron: k [10:12]
mircea_popescu: cheers [10:13]
danielpbarron: ty [10:13]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu I'll take another 40k lbn if available [14:28]
mircea_popescu: not atm [14:29]
mircea_popescu: all sold out [14:29]
mircea_popescu: ima do another run later on. [14:29]
DianaComan: k [14:29]
DianaComan: oops, I took by mistake someone else's table with braided thread and bps [15:52]
hanbot: diana_coman i've been making bct and lost a table last night; can i see it? [15:54]
DianaComan: sure, I'll bring it in a min when I get back to town, but I took it by mistake some 20 minutes ago, not really more [15:54]
DianaComan: it might be yours though judging by the crafter mark on the braided stuff [15:54]
DianaComan: I'm using a stick now, as soon as I'm done, will come and bring it back to town [15:55]
hanbot: shit, yeah it's gotta be. [15:55]
DianaComan: I've put it down to the side, have a look [15:57]
DianaComan: phew, found mine – there really are a lot of tables lying around , lol [15:57]
hanbot: yep diana, that's it [15:58]
hanbot: yowza. [15:58]
hanbot: thank you [15:59]
DianaComan: cool then, sorry about that, I really did not realise – I was wondering wtf is wrong that I can't carry even 2 dcs, lol [15:59]
DianaComan: np [15:59]
mircea_popescu: so DianaComan : working on a set of toothpaste. the limiting factor is abandoned eggs. you got ? [20:39]
birdman_: how do i update eulora on windows? [22:10]
mircea_popescu: what are you running, jurov's binaries ? [22:17]
mircea_popescu: birdman_ [22:17]
birdman_: yes [22:18]
mircea_popescu: so run the latest version, he updated them. [22:18]
birdman_: im sorry, i actually had compiled it myself [22:19]
danielpbarron: doubts that very much [22:20]
birdman_: well i followed the steps it says to compile it yourself on Eulorum [22:20]
birdman_: so i assume thats what i did [22:20]
mircea_popescu: there's also precompiuled binaries [22:25]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, if you compile yourself, just get the new source and do the same you did last time [22:25]
danielpbarron: birdman_, http://minigame.bz/jurov/ [22:26]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulora Releases by Jurov (at minigame.bz) [22:26]
birdman_: yeah im getting the binary as we speak [22:27]
lobbes: anyone need some n00b services while I'm on? [23:14]
danielpbarron: lobbes, ya [23:15]
lobbes: k, I'm at the 'village' [23:15]

November 17, 2015

#eulora Logs for 17 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: sooo… im just about to finish a humongo batch of 8 worn screens [08:39]
mircea_popescu: of these i'll be selling one, so let me know what anyone interested is willing to pay. [08:39]
mircea_popescu: and the rest i'll grind down, so if you're selling bps used in maculature bundles let me know what you want for them. [08:39]
mircea_popescu: ftr, 5.5 takes 9hours an' a half! [08:41]
mircea_popescu: omfg wtf server just went down ;/ [08:44]
mircea_popescu: aaaand there goes an hour heh. [08:47]
diana_coman: you are not the only one to lose an hour, lol [09:30]
chetty: well at least such crashes are rare [09:31]
mircea_popescu: what were you doing diana_coman ? [09:33]
mircea_popescu: o hey chetty [09:33]
mircea_popescu: how goes ? [09:33]
diana_coman: hi chetty, how are you? [09:33]
diana_coman: just working on the map mircea_popescu, but left at the wrong moment it seems, hence 1 hr it did nothing while I thought it was filling in a bald patch [09:34]
mircea_popescu: oh oh. [09:34]
diana_coman: and indeed, it's great that such crashes are really very rare chetty [09:34]
diana_coman: darned dead molluscs – they are needed in all sorts of ordinaries and I still haven't found them [09:39]
diana_coman: oh, mircea_popescu you wanted tubers iirc – I have about 1k [09:39]
diana_coman: around 180q [09:39]
mircea_popescu: my gin comes out 209. if i make it with tubers at 180 that's 87 * 24 * .29 = 605 coppers sucked out of the samovar. [09:53]
diana_coman: so dunno, mine them yourself then or what? [09:54]
mircea_popescu: well, you are levelling sortage right ? [09:54]
mircea_popescu: i'd like 5-10k at 210+ [09:55]
diana_coman: I am levelling it up yes, but I did not really prioritize that as you have the highest sortage anyway [09:55]
mircea_popescu: how about leather ? [09:55]
diana_coman: (the fastest way to level sortage is anyway through crafting otherwise) [09:55]
mircea_popescu: ima need more leather at the rate wine's selling out [09:56]
diana_coman: that (farming) is a fucking nightmare to level up AND it's only through building hence why I want those bloody molluscs [09:56]
diana_coman: because levelling farming up through small+tiny will take centuries [09:56]
mircea_popescu: you can have some high q molluscs now that i got sorted out on low q ones [09:56]
mircea_popescu: for building. you got what to use them in ? [09:56]
diana_coman: oh yes, I have, let me check the full list [09:57]
diana_coman: (list of ordinaries I mean) [09:57]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, what q do you cook at ? [09:57]
diana_coman: prolly around 155 (that was last time I checked) [10:00]
diana_coman: due to high tinkering [10:00]
diana_coman: otherwise gung-ho is 59 [10:00]
mircea_popescu: aha [10:00]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone got a bunch of ibs ? [10:01]
diana_coman: do you still need tiny/small wwb and wpl as I have 8 small wwb, 4 small wpl, 88 tiny wwb, 60+ tiny wpl [10:01]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman this 6th screen is about 90\% done, once it's finished ima look in store for molluscs. how many did you need in the end ? [10:01]
diana_coman: I have about 500+ ibs around 157 [10:01]
mircea_popescu: and yes on all altar enums, i am buying [10:02]
mircea_popescu: how much you want for that ? [10:02]
diana_coman: 25\% is fine with me no problems [10:02]
mircea_popescu: so like 200. hm. [10:02]
diana_coman: so I have 20 ord and each takes 3 molluscs, omg [10:03]
mircea_popescu: lobbes you know what'd be a kickass functionality, if i could go !r ibs and the bot spit out the recipe. [10:03]
mircea_popescu: loller! [10:03]
mircea_popescu: what are these agai n? [10:03]
diana_coman: lolz mircea_popescu, why don't you just go http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/ibs.html [10:04]
diana_coman: these are in fact ord of ….moss that would boost building alltogether + moss is needed anyway [10:04]
mircea_popescu: shouldn't a noob build them ? [10:05]
diana_coman: the farming ordinaries tend to take…canines (my 20+ wwb ordinaries fuck) [10:05]
diana_coman: well… yes and no; I mean yes for lots of moss, no for high q moss + not losing xp + I need to level up the building anyway to increase q overall for all mining stuff [10:05]
mircea_popescu: jesus how the fuck am i going to work out this lft line in the end. [10:05]
mircea_popescu: this shit's too fucking complex. [10:05]
diana_coman: what's with the ltf line? [10:06]
diana_coman: btw, I have 40 wm – what do you want to make them into shaped slag for me? (need that for…ordinaries) [10:07]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile went on a wildly successful mining yest, got 200 shrooms. [10:07]
diana_coman: with a noob, right? [10:08]
mircea_popescu: with grenadine yea [10:08]
diana_coman: well yes, of course [10:08]
mircea_popescu: sticks + high thread, like 10\% profit. [10:08]
mircea_popescu: think ima do it again, god forbid we strike an ord should be pretty sweet. [10:08]
diana_coman: need to search for the line where I said it's noobs that are needed to mine wm and the like (if not everything) [10:08]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i make it out ok on grass. but i can't get back to it because jesus fuck making screens took 3 days. [10:08]
diana_coman: I hope maybe mod6 will build some for me on Wed when he gets in to set up the bot [10:09]
diana_coman: well, basics are a whole different story [10:09]
diana_coman: comparing grass with wm is… [10:09]
mircea_popescu: it's 2 hours / screen for the screen. it's 1 hour for 7 silks + 1 hour for scaffoldings. it's a further 15 minutes each for so (3 of em). etc. ends up like half a day. [10:09]
diana_coman: well, it lasts a while [10:09]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the story with lft is as follows, let's get into detail maybe a stable definitive solution arises. [10:09]
diana_coman: tbh I'm running low on some bps to shred [10:10]
diana_coman: ok, listening [10:10]
diana_coman: ltf though, lol [10:10]
mircea_popescu: i burn a lot of ltf in two ways. the low q way is to make IO. no need to go into detail as how needed that is. the high q way is to make gin. no need to explain how much gin i drink on a daily basis. [10:11]
diana_coman: aha [10:11]
mircea_popescu: now, i have both high and low goop and thread. so the remainder is ibs. i want low ibs to make high lft [10:11]
mircea_popescu: i want high ibs + a noob willing to make low lft. [10:11]
diana_coman: noobs is usually the missing link so far pretty much everywhere, yes [10:12]
mircea_popescu: and i could even make high ibs if i had low F, becauyse i got some low sr left. [10:12]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the main problem here is that 150ish is neither. [10:13]
mircea_popescu: you want some more grass ? [10:13]
diana_coman: basically from what I gather my q is still in the annoying middle wrt yours, pretty much on all fronts [10:13]
diana_coman: what q? [10:13]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, 200something. [10:13]
mircea_popescu: like last time. [10:13]
diana_coman: I guess I'll take it anyway as I'll soon run out of thread at this rate [10:13]
mircea_popescu: o, btw, you still doing explore fill-in ? [10:13]
diana_coman: yes [10:14]
mircea_popescu: so how much cft you got stashed ? [10:14]
diana_coman: it takes ages, but I have no other idea of how to fill that in [10:14]
diana_coman: about 4k [10:14]
mircea_popescu: so that's…. nothing ? [10:14]
diana_coman: yep [10:14]
diana_coman: well, it depends on the area [10:14]
mircea_popescu: back when i was mining i'd go through 10k both each day [10:14]
mircea_popescu: do you use lbn and cft in about same rate ? [10:14]
diana_coman: you mined only grass though [10:14]
mircea_popescu: yea.\ [10:14]
diana_coman: about so, yes [10:15]
mircea_popescu: ok so then, here's the mid term plan : [10:15]
diana_coman: but as I said: if the area is of some rare stuff, it's much much slower [10:15]
mircea_popescu: while waiting for me to make lbn, spin all this grass into cft so you're stocked. then buy as much lbn, and go hiot the map. [10:15]
diana_coman: (on the other hand, there I really hate running out of…lbn as it feels a way larger waste) [10:15]
mircea_popescu: i hear s.mg will gift you a bubble once yo ugot a filled map published [10:15]
diana_coman: ha, define filled map [10:16]
mircea_popescu: (filled map defined as, "each unit coord explored once".) [10:16]
diana_coman: ahahahaha [10:16]
mircea_popescu: >D [10:16]
diana_coman: I'll grow old by then [10:16]
mircea_popescu: there's only 1mn of them! [10:16]
diana_coman: and anyway, shouldn't I find the damned bubble if I do that? [10:16]
mircea_popescu: i thought you were unlucky. [10:16]
diana_coman: oh, if it is filled as in tried once but possibly found nothing I might end up being just a bit shy of 999 years old rather than fully dead I suppose [10:16]
diana_coman: yeah, but also stubborn [10:17]
mircea_popescu: yeah this math doesn't work. how many hits can you do a day, 5k ? [10:17]
diana_coman: hm, about 40 hoes a night, so 80 hoes a full day say, so that seems under 5k hits, but approx [10:18]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so listen… what'd you pay on 51 molluscs q 438 ? :D [10:18]
diana_coman: dead or alive molluscs? [10:19]
mircea_popescu: dead. [10:19]
diana_coman: 11k each [10:19]
mircea_popescu: say 600k and they're yours. [10:20]
diana_coman: ok, works [10:20]
mircea_popescu: alright. [10:20]
mircea_popescu: am i getting all this grass out ? [10:20]
diana_coman: yes, that anyway [10:20]
diana_coman: how about the wm thing? [10:20]
mircea_popescu: which wm thing ? [10:21]
diana_coman: I have 40 wm, what do you want to make shaped slag for me? [10:21]
mircea_popescu: what q the shrooms ? [10:21]
diana_coman: around 138 [10:22]
diana_coman: 27 at 136q and 13 at 140q [10:22]
mircea_popescu: mmm okay. but the trouble is… i make high oil. you want to make the shaped slag yourself ? [10:23]
diana_coman: uhm, it's the high q shaped slag I need; so it works better if I make the oil for you or what? [10:23]
diana_coman: btw 1 000 000 hits/5000 = 200 days [10:23]
diana_coman: obviously, that's kind of the ideal or something, no connection troubles etc [10:24]
mircea_popescu: nuts huh. [10:27]
mircea_popescu: lemme just get all this grass out i'll think something up. [10:27]
diana_coman: unsurprisingly I got on this job out of my own initiative anyway, lol [10:28]
mircea_popescu: ok so lessee. [10:30]
mircea_popescu: (9999 * 2.42 + 9999 * 2.34 + 9999 * 2.1 + 7165 * 2.29 + 9579 * 2.43 + 8654 * 2.35) * 60 * 1.2 + 600000 = 9860269.92 [10:31]
mircea_popescu: you're getting a discount for it too! [10:31]
diana_coman: kk [10:31]
mircea_popescu: 55395, that almost wipes me out. [10:33]
diana_coman: yay, molluscs, how they look at me, lol [10:34]
mircea_popescu: lol [10:34]
diana_coman: kk, got them (and promptly dropped them again) [10:34]
mircea_popescu: ok so re the map : [10:38]
mircea_popescu: suppose you present 3-divisible coords filled. [10:39]
mircea_popescu: that should make it more reasonable. [10:39]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ^ [10:40]
diana_coman: by definition anything is more reasonable and ALL coords, true [10:40]
mircea_popescu: if any other miner wants to do this, we can do 3n+1 and +2 too, so. [10:40]
diana_coman: I think it took me half a day to really fill in one coord though (due to rares) [10:40]
mircea_popescu: ye, one line ? [10:41]
diana_coman: yes [10:41]
diana_coman: one line from bottom of the map to the top [10:41]
diana_coman: and now looking at it I did not even bother with some space in the water/possibly out of reach anyway as it would warp [10:42]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [10:42]
mircea_popescu: but did you fill it as in, every coord ? or to what fine-ness ? [10:42]
mircea_popescu: feels a lot like us congress in 1800s, comissioning survey lines towards the west coast. [10:43]
diana_coman: according to calc, 1000/6 is still 167 days, so better [10:43]
diana_coman: let me check exactly, my measure was: no white point seen on the plot at all, everything densely coloured [10:43]
mircea_popescu: wait. what ? [10:43]
mircea_popescu: also chuckles privately at the memory of "oh, how small this map is" comments. mmmmmyeah :D [10:44]
diana_coman: lolz, so looking at it in full detail: it's *mostly* covered that line thing: occasionally there are *still* a few coords missing (as in: less than 10 marks in a row on a 10×10 square) [10:46]
diana_coman: ftr the *only* way to truly control that you hit each and every coordinate as such is to …teleport [10:46]
diana_coman: because steps are not that precise [10:47]
mircea_popescu: but you hit those with sticks no ? [10:47]
mircea_popescu: did a stick yield a "no result" ? [10:47]
diana_coman: wait, what? [10:47]
diana_coman: the whole line with sticks? omg [10:47]
mircea_popescu: how can you have emprty spots [10:47]
mircea_popescu: no, just the missing coords. [10:47]
diana_coman: no, I didn't go through that line on this systematically – the missing spots are still within rares basically (bitterbeans for instance) – so far I used the sticks when there was some small area that would not give anything , not really a precise coordinate [10:49]
mircea_popescu: wouldn't the scinetific method indicate it's on the contrary, best to murder specific coords ? [10:50]
diana_coman: perhaps that's why I did not yet find the mollusc/st , maybe [10:50]
diana_coman: well, the empirical xp doesn't really support that [10:50]
mircea_popescu: this is a traditional problem of the sm : empirical experience does not support it. hence all the various "alt medicine", parapsichology etc. [10:50]
diana_coman: I mean yes in theory: but in practice how many times do you need to hit the *very same* coordinate to say it probably holds something more than a stubborn bitterbean you missed? [10:50]
diana_coman: and keep in mind that going in a line does not really hit the *same* coordinate all the time [10:51]
mircea_popescu: until it yields. [10:51]
diana_coman: not precise, no [10:51]
diana_coman: of the sm? [10:51]
diana_coman: oh, scientific method [10:51]
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> until it yields. <- yes, my point was: not yet enough hits there to say it doesn't yield, at the same time still other places barren that I wanted to fill in first [10:52]
diana_coman: and how I found the crumbly rock and the pacademia nut in fact [10:52]
mircea_popescu: anyway, your survey contract is : to publish map and data for all (x, y) points where both x and y are divisible by 3, taken from field within a .1 tolerance either direction (so for [18, 21] anywhere in a square between [17.9, 20.9] and [18.1,21.1]), upon which will receive three petrified bubbles, q 100. [10:53]
mircea_popescu: how about that. [10:53]
diana_coman: mhm, give me 15-20 minutes to collect the data out of curiosity [10:54]
mircea_popescu: should be ~11k points, give or take. about 2mn worth of hoe in the ideal case. [10:55]
mircea_popescu: mmm, add a 0 there, but anyway. [10:56]
diana_coman: yes, I'm more concerned with the practicality of hitting so precisely [10:56]
diana_coman: that's why I want to see the data [10:56]
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> mmm, add a 0 there, but anyway. <- hahahah [10:56]
mircea_popescu: mayhap bot will need an update. [10:56]
mircea_popescu: :D [10:56]
diana_coman: with what, teleport? [10:56]
mircea_popescu: no, /pos awareness. [10:57]
diana_coman: teleport [10:57]
diana_coman: pos awareness does jack shit [10:57]
mircea_popescu: why ? [10:57]
diana_coman: pos awareness is easy [10:57]
diana_coman: as in: I am at x y z [10:57]
diana_coman: sure [10:57]
mircea_popescu: anyway : in the ideal case of perfect robotized processing, doing 5k a day will be 22 days to fill. [10:57]
diana_coman: however, getting to x y z precisely is the hell [10:58]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so use random walk. "i am at x, should be at x+k, take a step in random direction and see". [10:58]
mircea_popescu: it's how bacteria move! [10:58]
diana_coman: yeah, and see how you spend than double the time just trying to get to the bloody coord [10:58]
mircea_popescu: :D [10:58]
chetty: if walking isnt perfectly on grid why would you expect resouces to be perfectly on grid ? [11:07]
diana_coman: chetty I don't; but if the contract specifies perfectly on grid, then I need to make sure I can deliver that even if it doesn't make practical sense as such (and I don't really think it does – it's just for easy spec of terms imo) [11:10]
chetty: :) [11:12]
diana_coman: so running through the data I don't think I'm gonna take that [11:14]
diana_coman: ftr I even rounded rather than 0.1 [11:15]
diana_coman: so more like 0.5 either way [11:15]
diana_coman: on a precision of 0.5 it might be more reasonable [11:17]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu & [11:21]
diana_coman: ^ lol [11:21]
mircea_popescu: so from 17.5 to 18.5 ? [11:22]
mircea_popescu: while resources aren't probably on grid, what guarantees a whole unit hole isn't enough to actually miss a resource altogether ? [11:22]
diana_coman: there are no guarantees for anything at all on eulora, are there? [11:23]
mircea_popescu: ie suppose we're looking at 5,5 10,10. in this square yo go through and hit 5.5, 6.2 and 9.3, 9.5 [11:23]
diana_coman: thing is: it's not really that much of a hole, it's more a precision thing [11:24]
mircea_popescu: someone later on comes and hits +1, say 7.8, 7.5 [11:24]
mircea_popescu: now in that 5.5 to 7.8 space, you could have who knows what we need hidden. [11:24]
mircea_popescu: how would subsequent effort organize itself ? you have it easy enough now, all you need is grids. but imagine the filling nightmare of later work, when they gotta go inside a random arbitrary lattice. [11:24]
mircea_popescu: so it's not exactly ease of spec, it's more like you know, usable research. [11:25]
mircea_popescu: absolute fine-ness, such as 5.000 can be dispensed with, but going all the way to the unit seems a bit much [11:25]
diana_coman: uhm, so you say that there are resources as rare as being within a 1 unit square basically and nothing else [11:26]
mircea_popescu: i don't know that there aren't. do you ? [11:26]
diana_coman: as I said: no guarantees for anything [11:26]
mircea_popescu: right. gotta build things so they be useful for future generations! [11:27]
diana_coman: lolz, gotta make sure too that one lives enough to build those things useful for future generations [11:27]
diana_coman: (not to mention what the hell do you do with points where you get stuck (as in: that covered area in the middle of the map) [11:28]
mircea_popescu: seems to me chiefly an automation problem. the "ideal bot" would take three weeks or a little more. now, how to get it to go on grid, well… [11:28]
diana_coman: or those on the slope [11:28]
mircea_popescu: well obviously inaccessible terrain is inaccessible. [11:28]
diana_coman: to me it seems more an additional-work-with-unclear-usefulness-other-than-imposed-precision-thing [11:28]
diana_coman: yeah, how do you class it as inaccessible exactly? how do you basically *prove* it is inaccesible ? [11:29]
mircea_popescu: i thought i just explained the usefgulness! [11:29]
diana_coman: "I tried to get there through random walk and I failed " [11:29]
diana_coman: is that enough to make it inaccesible? [11:29]
mircea_popescu: suppose you're in 2017 and you get a 10mb set of coords, "these have been explored, now go between them" [11:29]
diana_coman: well, I'm thick and I didn't get it yet it seems [11:29]
mircea_popescu: and you have to what, create the graph ? [11:29]
diana_coman: wait what, you are telling me it is now hard to automate "spit out the missing coordinates from a grid of 1kx1k given this set of explored coordinates"? [11:31]
mircea_popescu: if exploration snaps to grid, then it's relatively easy to make it denser. if it is random, then it's quite hard. [11:31]
diana_coman: ok, let's put it this way then: how about precise coordinates then and that's that, so 0,0; 3,3; 6,6 etc [11:32]
diana_coman: that snaps to grid [11:32]
mircea_popescu: well that's the idea. precise, with a tolerance of .1 [11:32]
diana_coman: fuck the tolerance [11:33]
mircea_popescu: can you actually hit 3.00, 3.00 ? [11:33]
diana_coman: the 0.1 makes so little difference that … [11:33]
mircea_popescu: goes to look at this again. [11:33]
mircea_popescu: irc .1 was feasible, .2 easy enough [11:33]
diana_coman: if I aim to hit with tolerance of 0.1 I can aim to hit precisely just as well from my point of view [11:33]
diana_coman: how did you check that? [11:34]
diana_coman: ftr even a gentle press on fwd button when walking already moves it 0.2 [11:35]
diana_coman: this is why I said 0.1 doesn't make much difference from "precise" to me [11:35]
diana_coman: but then again, I can leave it in as safety net for me, sure [11:36]
mircea_popescu: hm yeah seems about .25 fine in normal client movement. [11:40]
diana_coman: …. [11:40]
mircea_popescu: ok so how about .3 then ? [11:40]
diana_coman: that sounds more reasonable [11:40]
diana_coman: there is still the trouble of how you define points that are inaccessible exactly, as in : how do I prove that x,y is inaccessible? [11:41]
mircea_popescu: aha alrighty. [11:41]
mircea_popescu: you don't have to prove. how do you prove you did the work anyway ? [11:42]
jurov: you'll be doing it barehanded? my guesstimate comes out as "24k tools worn" [11:42]
mircea_popescu: as opposed to hooking up a random generator [11:42]
diana_coman: the points are there to prove that, lol [11:42]
diana_coman: oh, not in that sense, lolz [11:42]
jurov: ((800/0.3)^2)/(50000/170) [11:42]
diana_coman: put another way: when do I give up on a point as inaccesible? [11:42]
mircea_popescu: jurov nah, it's not every 0.3 [11:42]
mircea_popescu: it's every 3 within 0.3 each way, so from 2.7 to 3.3 counts [11:43]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman once you can't get there by hand. [11:43]
diana_coman: you do realise that there were some resources on a slope and jurov said he couldn't get to see what they were at least, but somehow I managed to get there? anyway, I guess that'll be left to "reasonable effort to get there" [11:44]
mircea_popescu: something like that. [11:44]
jurov: diana_coman: client does have the map, maybe you can process it directly to get inaccessible parts [11:45]
diana_coman: I'll first go through my current records and see what's missing [11:45]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, does teleporting burn you even if you only move a very short distance ? [11:46]
diana_coman: and then will think of something based on that [11:46]
diana_coman: what do you mean "burn"? [11:46]
diana_coman: the answer is no in any case, lol [11:46]
mircea_popescu: :p [11:46]
diana_coman: or not yet [11:46]
diana_coman: :p [11:46]
jurov: diana_coman: i instadied when trying to move too fast [11:46]
jurov: you say teleport was not "fixed"? [11:47]
diana_coman: I suppose that's specific to moving fast jurov [11:47]
diana_coman: I guess it will be soon, lol [11:47]
diana_coman: but for very short distances I'm not sure the server can even be aware [11:47]
diana_coman: seeing how the client sends the position only at some intervals [11:47]
mircea_popescu: not that soon, i dun see the problem with precise positioning per se. [11:47]
diana_coman: and so there has to be some range left [11:47]
diana_coman: so if I teleport from 0,0 to 3,3 I don't really see why is that a problem [11:48]
jurov: btw that thing had nothing with exploration, but due to players able to throw stuff farther that max pickup distance, and fact that dropped stuff won't fall [11:48]
mircea_popescu: the inaccessible bags ? yea. [11:48]
diana_coman: basically that's when I got teleport back: when my dropped sb ended up on the moon [11:49]
mircea_popescu: incidentally lobbes the other splendid thing for the bot top have would be a trading module. two things : i want to be able to declare a trade (!s 14543 cft q279 94444 or !b 111 ibs q15 91879 to tell it i bought/sold so and so), and it keeps a db, shows day/week/month prices for resources, allows me to !c 500 ibs q200 (responds with reasonable buy and sell prices based on db) [11:50]
mircea_popescu: this however is a pretty huge bite. [11:50]
diana_coman: that'd be grand though [11:51]
mircea_popescu: mhm. [11:51]
diana_coman: way more useful than anything else at the moment I'd say [11:51]
mircea_popescu: too much of a hassle to fish all this from logs as it is, and we're getting at a stage of econ development where i could realy benefit from some macro data. [11:51]
jurov: btw bot sometimes throws a fit when it ranks up while exploring and heina isn't nearby [11:53]
jurov: that's new behavior in 1.2 [11:54]
diana_coman: define "throws a fit" [11:55]
diana_coman: oh, when exploring? [11:55]
diana_coman: goes to check code [11:56]
jurov: it loops "Explore not yet finished nor timedout" [11:56]
jurov: i have not looked what it was doing when it happened, so am not sure, tho [11:57]
diana_coman: but what does it have to do with ranking? the explore bot ignores ranking messages [11:57]
diana_coman: and that is not a loop [11:57]
jurov: um. then it might have something to with dying [11:57]
diana_coman: it will go out of that eventually (when timedout) [11:57]
diana_coman: uhm; did you set a timeout or did you leave it default? [11:58]
jurov: default [11:59]
diana_coman: that's 15min iirc so it should continue in 15 minutes [11:59]
diana_coman: as it's not a loop at a ll [12:00]
diana_coman: it basically means it did not get for some reason neither the successful /unsuccessful message nor something else to know that the explore finished [12:00]
diana_coman: hence it waits so that it doesn't mess up your tool [12:01]
diana_coman: once the timeout expires, it moves on [12:01]
diana_coman: after going through data once again: the good news is that I have already 24k hits on the desired type of coords; the bad news is that almost half of them are *too* precise [12:38]
diana_coman: anyway, 24k or rather 13k out of 110 -> lolz [12:40]
mircea_popescu: what's "too" precise ? [12:47]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman [12:47]
diana_coman: as in 0,0 and then 0.1 0.1 and 0.2 0.2 [12:52]
diana_coman: while those are 3 points, I'd have to consider them as a single point due to higher precision than required [12:52]
diana_coman: I guess I can call them redundant [12:55]
mircea_popescu: lol [13:00]
mircea_popescu: and here i thought .1 is unattainable :D [13:00]
mircea_popescu: turns out it was accidentally attained 50\% of the time [13:00]
mircea_popescu: btw mod6 you got any time to dig up diana_coman's moss ? [13:02]
jurov: diana_coman: succeeded to reproduce it, bot ignores "You cannot explore in the same place twice in a row." messages and waits in vain [13:13]
jurov: which tends to happen after dying, too [13:15]
jurov: http://www.explo.yt/eulora/diana_v12_sameplace.diff << easy fix. until evil overlords decide tool is worn in this situation [13:31]
diana_coman: oh, that yes jurov – didn't really make a comprehensive list of ALL possible messages to receive really- set your timeout properly and that is it [13:37]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu well, it has been achieved due to my approach of really filling in the areas that I focused on [13:38]
diana_coman: note though that it is not what you were asking for in the first place [13:39]
diana_coman: as it's not consistent/full coverage/EVERY point having coverage at 0.1 precision [13:39]
jurov: welll, i see timeout to be for really unforeseen situations to limit potential damage. this isn't the case. [13:39]
diana_coman: so then wait the 15 minutes [13:39]
jurov: tyvm. [13:40]
mircea_popescu: jurov measure how long your tool takes and use that. [13:46]
mircea_popescu: so nobody selling any bps ? [13:49]
jurov: what bps? [13:49]
mircea_popescu: everything involved in maculature, lemme fish it out [13:51]
mircea_popescu: hmmm diana_coman no maculature recipe ? [13:51]
mircea_popescu: jurov : hg, nb, sfh, ft, bct, dg, srs, ibs, cft, s, pcf, mrk, psl, cp, its [13:53]
jurov: not crafting table? [13:54]
mircea_popescu: apparently not., [13:54]
mircea_popescu: is preparing for the megashredding. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 9722 * 465 = 4520730 [14:06]
diana_coman: I don't really have bps for sale -I'm almost out of some of the key ones myself [14:06]
diana_coman: yes jurov easy fix for *that* specific message, trouble is that it's not the only message, lol [14:08]
diana_coman: basically to cover *all* cases in which the explore has finished [14:08]
jurov: i did not say i want to cover all cases [14:17]
jurov: just to add *one* know case that bothers me [14:17]
jurov: you feel you'd open pandora's box or such? [14:18]
diana_coman: jurov, add it then – that case bothers you , another case will bother someone else etc [14:22]
jurov: depends. guess what happens if mircea forgets to set timeout and it will start bothering him :) [14:23]
jurov: would you get into such protracted discussion, soo? [14:24]
jurov: *too [14:24]
mircea_popescu: soo… my bct and slag bp stores are now exhausted ;/ [14:26]
mircea_popescu: aaaand i need more pincered skullcap. anyone has it ? [14:27]
diana_coman: I have those [14:33]
diana_coman: jurov check the logs for the answer to your question [14:33]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, i have blueprints listed at http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/shop.txt [14:35]
diana_coman: but jurov I'll take your point: my mistake for discussing it so much, so I'll keep it short instead – I will collect all and any suggestions/requests and add them to the list at any time; I will do releases only when I plan to do them and with the changes that I decide to include at that time [14:35]
mircea_popescu: wait, bct at 1750000/15823 = 110.6 ea ? [14:36]
mircea_popescu: an' 138.6 for slag. hm. [14:37]
mircea_popescu: ima have to do some math. [14:37]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu I have 50 pincered skullcap bps at 163 q [14:42]
diana_coman: and I want to buy 100 braided threads actually , high q [14:42]
mircea_popescu: i need like… 1k i think heh. [14:44]
mircea_popescu: will do this 505 run and see what's left once the dust settles. [14:44]
diana_coman: mhm, high q braided thread -> I'll make more skullcaps as I need them anyway and hopefully more bps, but the loot tends to be not that great really [14:50]
diana_coman: though maybe on 1000 skullcaps run who knows [14:50]
diana_coman: trouble is I'll need 1000 dcs too and I don't have them atm [14:51]
mircea_popescu: yeah i need dc too [14:51]
mircea_popescu: i think today will be the highest craft day in history, [14:54]
mircea_popescu: my maculature is q 4400. [14:54]
mircea_popescu: base appears 1730. that's then 43 * 505 * 1730 = 37950 worth of overcraft, or 38600 total craft value. [15:00]
mircea_popescu: dang these screens take a lot of beating. [17:51]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan you selling any gathering 400 books ? [18:17]
DianaComan: I think daniel got that, didn't he? [18:17]
mircea_popescu: o he did ? [18:17]
mircea_popescu: yo danielpbarron ? [18:17]
mircea_popescu: im definitely getting book 400 over here. [18:18]
danielpbarron: i have blueprints [18:18]
mircea_popescu: so how much for a dozen ? [18:19]
danielpbarron: i don't have that many [18:19]
mircea_popescu: hm. well ? [18:19]
mircea_popescu: a coupla ? [18:19]
danielpbarron: how much to use a screen? [18:19]
mircea_popescu: i am actually selling one. [18:19]
mircea_popescu: you want it ? [18:21]
danielpbarron: how much / what quality [18:22]
mircea_popescu: 150\% im thinking [18:22]
mircea_popescu: like 700k qual [18:22]
mircea_popescu: tho you can have a work down one if you prefer, since im wearing them [18:22]
mircea_popescu: this one i've been working on is 220k durabilit. [18:24]
mircea_popescu: the max ones are 680.9 / 681.change [18:24]
danielpbarron: ya i'll take one; also interested in some supplication drafts: a few of each leather, berries, snails, stones, thorns, moss [18:43]
mircea_popescu: you'll have to talk to grenadine about those. [18:56]
mircea_popescu: anyway. getting back to the gathering book! [18:57]
danielpbarron: it needs some ingredients i've never heard of [19:04]
mircea_popescu: what's it take then ? [19:04]
danielpbarron: rastrums, pigments [19:04]
mircea_popescu: i got some pigments, actually. [19:05]
mircea_popescu: foxy you ever got around to making rostrums ? [19:05]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so how much for a coupla books then ? [19:05]
danielpbarron: i don't know yet [19:05]
mircea_popescu: mmm [19:06]
mircea_popescu: so how do you find out ? [19:06]
mircea_popescu: i'd rather book level my gathering to 400 and use tools after. [19:06]
danielpbarron: does the quality of the book matter? [19:07]
mircea_popescu: i have no idea [19:07]
danielpbarron: i'll have to see how much all the ingredients cost [19:08]
mircea_popescu: what are they, rostrum, pigment what else ? [19:09]
danielpbarron: 5 pulps, 11 rastrums, 3 pigments [19:10]
danielpbarron: i want highest quality on these [19:10]
mircea_popescu: a, pulps i got, q 190ish [19:10]
mircea_popescu: pigments ima have to check [19:10]
mircea_popescu: looks like 8k or so base [19:13]
danielpbarron: can you make higher quality? [19:14]
mircea_popescu: prolly ~ 200 of it yeah. [19:14]
mircea_popescu: ironically i can't really make high enough qual to loot bps anyway, so i guess the right way here would be for you to make a bunch of books. [19:15]
mircea_popescu: i'd be game for ~100 books, can definitely feed you 500 pulp / 300 pigment. [19:15]
danielpbarron: yeah i'm gonna overcraft it as much as possible [19:16]
mircea_popescu: i guess it comes down to whether foxy can fill a 1100 rastrum order. [19:16]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan you around ? [19:16]
danielpbarron: what is the advantage to having higher gathering rank? [19:17]
danielpbarron: i had the highest and DianaComan still made higher quality enums than me [19:18]
mircea_popescu: i imagine it must help gathering. [19:18]
mircea_popescu: hm [19:18]
danielpbarron: i get about the same \% hits as you describe with shiny rock [19:20]
mircea_popescu: well ok buyt the devil's in that about [19:37]
mircea_popescu: so i'm getting ~27.8k lbn q 196+ from one full tool. [19:46]
mircea_popescu: im therefore selling lbn @ 52c each, if anyone wants them lemme know. [19:47]
hanbot: mircea_popescu tally me fo' 20k please [19:51]
mircea_popescu: you got it. [19:51]
hanbot: do we have something like a bathtub so i can swim around in them? [19:51]
mircea_popescu: lol [19:52]
mircea_popescu: i guess the samovar… [19:52]
mircea_popescu: hanbot ready for pickup. [22:37]
hanbot: fantastic 1 sec [22:37]
hanbot: ahh ty. [22:39]
mircea_popescu: so aforementioned 505 clicks run yielded…. one single 0.01 btc pop [22:46]
hanbot: stingy eh? [22:48]
mircea_popescu: also, 788 delight supps, q 195, 340 rock supps, q 195, 185 lists supps, 59 sparks supps, 948 chicken supps, 2540 vellum conceptions, 25574 shredding instructions. [22:52]
mircea_popescu: altogether this would be worth (base value) about [22:53]
mircea_popescu: 27552706.35 [22:55]
mircea_popescu: so a 27\% loss over the 37950 overcraft value. [22:56]
hanbot: wow [22:56]
hanbot: very nice supps, but…. [22:56]
mircea_popescu: or in other words i'd have to sell the bps resulting at 136\% to break even [22:56]
mircea_popescu: course , 7.5mn of that was shredding supps which i mostly… shredded, but anyway. [22:57]

November 16, 2015

Foxybots v1.2

Filed under: Eulora — Diana Coman @ 12:38 am

The trouble with adopting cats is that they have kittens and the trouble with making Foxy’s bots in the first place is that they have versions. And user requests and changes to adapt to and -possibly- insects. So I’ll just plonk here a kitten trouble – I mean new version of Foxy’s bots:

foxybotv1_2_minimal – 15 November 2015, sha512sum:

01411e6f383a30ae41dac42ebb2c14cac40e1f652776e8dd0550ac39d8c435f147c581bb1c6762ca8504a23e88c5ce9c210cd43532eae431baf1c61b85a0a0dc

Installation:
– download the above archive and check its checksum. Extract.
– run a diff between your current version of the foxybot folder (in src/client/foxybot) and the folder in the archive. Read through the diff.
– either create and apply a patch or otherwise simply replace your current foxybot folder (src/client/foxybot) with the one you extracted from the archive.
– recompile Eulora client as usual.

Changes:
– /bot craft without any parameters will give you the full new list of parameters in the bot’s window. Same for /bot explore without any further parameters.
– (CRAFTING) fixed the issue of “me Gung-ho Gumbo NOT train.” Provided you are not overweight etc, your cooking experience will be trained into shiny new skills.
– (CRAFTING) to avoid targeting someone else’s container and thus potentially interrupting a craft run, bot v1.2 will just lock the container to the one initially targeted by the user. As a consequence, you MUST target the right container before giving the /bot command. The bot will do its best to remind you if you screw this one up, but it’s only a machine after all: it has NO responsibility on this matter or any other.
– (CRAFTING) to avoid failed craft runs, there is an additional parameter called timeout: when that expires, the bot will assume the craft attempt to have failed and it will try to recover by getting everything out of the container and then trying to craft again. Be WARNED: if you give the bot a timeout that is too short, it WILL take things out of the container whenever that expires and as a result it might interrupt a craft and wear down your container. Choose your timeout wisely if you care for your containers (and money).
– (EXPLORING) to allow exploring with any tool you want (yes, even chetty sticks), the explore bot accepts a brand new parameter called timeout (given in ms). Basically the bot will /explore and then wait for some result, but it will check periodically and if more than timeout milliseconds have elapsed, it will just move on. Be warned: if you choose a timeout that is shorter than the time it takes your character to explore with the stick, the bot WILL move when that expires and therefore fuck you with your own chetty stick. Or pickaxe/hoe/adze, as you prefer. No questions asked, no responsibility assumed.
– (EXPLORING) to avoid confusion when others explore in the vicinity, the bot is now a bit more careful about what marker IDs it takes: essentially it will take a new one only if it is either the first it saw after a brand new explore or otherwise if it is the CLOSEST to your character that it saw. Testing this is a nightmare, so let me know how that goes for you.
– (EXPLORING) fixed a small issue related to number of steps: hopefully it’s not off by 1 now anymore, but be warned that this does NOTHING against the imbalance backwards/forwards which is most likely due to differences in terrain really (3 steps up the hill cover less ground than 3 steps down the hill).
– (EXPLORING) used tools will now be stacked in a dedicated slot. As usual, DO put your stack of NEW tools in the first slot in your inventory though, unless you want the bot to burn time going through the same old tools. Your choice though, no problem.
– (EXPLORING) keys of tiny and small claims should now be dropped into their claims (if you did not choose to keep keys in general) regardless of whether the claim was built or not. This is meant still as a measure against the “full inventory” trouble. Also a nightmare to test fully, so let me know how that works.

That’s it, have fun! And bring in the noobs!

#eulora Logs for 16 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
jurov: so far no problems with foxybot 1.2, but no one's exploring nearby [07:55]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 8 * 216651 * 1.45 + 47 * 21665 * 1.45 + 18 * 1088 * 1.43 * 1.25 =4024627.75 [10:16]
mircea_popescu: -4024627.75 + 534693.6 – 401997.6 + 4661870.7 = 769938.95 you gotta pay. [10:17]
hanbot: yuck! [10:17]
hanbot: ok [10:17]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [10:17]
danielpbarron: hanbot, get any good blueprint loot? [10:29]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 141 * 300 * 1.7 * 1.25 = 89887.5 [10:31]
hanbot: danielpbarron notrly [11:16]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 12k ea for the leather and berries ; 30k the chickens ; 15k the delights. [13:04]
hanbot: ty [13:04]
mircea_popescu: 2k ea suit you ? [13:22]
hanbot: mhm [13:22]
hanbot: 1k per leaf ;D [13:22]
mircea_popescu: hehe [13:23]
mircea_popescu: thank you ever so! [13:23]
mircea_popescu: and with that my stock of old tubers' gone. anyone selling 5-10k NT ? [13:29]
danielpbarron: adds to list [15:09]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 78 * 2.09 * 7254 * 1.25 + 78 * 1.79 * 366 * 1.25 + 600 * 5.62 * 73 * 1.25 = 1849755 [17:14]
mircea_popescu: and 2 bps on loan. [17:14]
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna make me low q acg ? [17:21]
mircea_popescu: providing mats for bundle q 209 [17:21]
danielpbarron: jurov, do you have time to craft some stuff for me? [20:20]
jurov: yes, tomorrow [20:20]
jurov: but i can buy the supplies now [20:22]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 39 * 16394 * 1.45 + 45 * 3000 + 151 * 2500 = 1439580.7 [21:32]
mircea_popescu: leaves 410174.3 [21:32]
hanbot: mircea_popescu so i had 833 cft at the start, 105 used [23:18]
mircea_popescu: ok so with this last one will be 16 hits total. [23:18]
mircea_popescu: 16 * (20000 + 2.06*180*7) = 361529.6 [23:19]
hanbot: not the priciest mining run i've ever heard of [23:19]
mircea_popescu: well if you think about it, like 2k hits with a hoe. about a night's work [23:20]
mircea_popescu: so what we got ? [23:20]
hanbot: 102 md & 202 wm [23:20]
mircea_popescu: i figure ~2k for the md and 1k for the wm, so we're at 204 + 202 = 406 check it out this is a profit! [23:21]
hanbot: :D [23:21]
mircea_popescu: 320000÷361529.6 = 0.885128078 so i get 88.5128 \% of 44.5k [23:21]
mircea_popescu: you made like 5k satoshi yourself! [23:22]
hanbot: lol awesome [23:22]
mircea_popescu: pretty good. [23:22]
hanbot: this is the way to mine imo [23:22]
mircea_popescu: it's not bad at all huh. [23:22]

November 15, 2015

#eulora Logs for 15 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron there's no use for high q shrooms that i know of tho ? [00:32]
danielpbarron: overcrafting improbable oil? [00:49]
mircea_popescu: i guess. [01:38]
mircea_popescu: omfg [01:38]
mircea_popescu: dumbass tool ate my last SO. god damned it… [01:38]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you want to make me 8 unsteady scaffoldings ? [01:45]
danielpbarron: perhaps [08:38]
mircea_popescu: in other news, selling cft, q 206, at 465 ea [09:31]
danielpbarron: i want 700k less the value of the ointment in excess of its base value, in return you get the sccaffoldings at approx quality 152 [09:35]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu I want 5k of that cft please [09:40]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wait you what ? [09:41]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan alright, about 3k made so far. [09:41]
DianaComan: oh, will get it after the event then I guess [09:41]
DianaComan: did it change again and it is worthwhile for you to process your own grass? [09:42]
mircea_popescu: not really worthwhile, but had to do something overnight. [09:44]
DianaComan: aha [09:45]
mircea_popescu: hanbot : 24*1.87*59*1.25 + 144 * 58 * 2.92 * 1.25 + 1500 * 465 + 24 * 2.08 * 62990 * 1.25 + 1 bp on credit = 4661870.7 [10:00]
mircea_popescu: and ill buy your eventual us bps past that first at q125. [10:05]
mod6: hi all, I might be afk while this weeks auction is going on :[ [12:14]
mod6: but good luck to all participants! [12:14]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 503 * 540 * 1.48 = 401997.6 [12:36]
mircea_popescu: settle at the end [12:36]
mircea_popescu: everyone ready for this week's auction ? [12:56]
hanbot: i am [12:56]
mircea_popescu: goes afk to prepare the packages. [12:57]
mircea_popescu: alrighty, here we go. [13:02]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan 1.286655 [13:11]
DianaComan: thanks! [13:12]
mircea_popescu: enjoy [13:12]
danielpbarron: running late [13:49]
jurov: lol "Grenadine has managed 0.08BTC of (null)" [13:53]
DianaComan: :))) [13:53]
hanbot: hehe. they were very tiny sparkles, in fact. i'ma put up some screenshots later [13:57]
mircea_popescu: o hey [14:06]
mircea_popescu: so i guess it did work after all huh. [14:06]
mircea_popescu: how many sparks is 8 mn hanbot ? [14:07]
hanbot: 196 q51 [14:07]
mircea_popescu: lordy. [14:07]
mircea_popescu: didn't you pay 10 mn for a set of 20 or something ? [14:08]
mircea_popescu: and trade me at yer leisure, got the cc made. [14:08]
hanbot: ok [14:09]
mircea_popescu: 56 * 3708 * 2.06 * 1.25 = 534693.6 [14:10]
hanbot: ty. and i paid 65M for 21 x 176q [14:11]
hanbot: x_x [14:11]
mircea_popescu: so then the set you just made is worth 200mn ? [14:11]
danielpbarron: is here [14:12]
hanbot: something like that yeah [14:13]
mircea_popescu: where's here danielpbarron ? [14:13]
danielpbarron: in game [14:13]
hanbot: wanna do the bp trade danielpbarron? i'll get stuff outta storage if so [14:13]
danielpbarron: ya [14:13]
hanbot: kk [14:13]
danielpbarron: what is the whole auction over already? [14:14]
mircea_popescu: well yeah [14:14]
mircea_popescu: it's 7:15 you know [14:15]
hanbot: so danielpbarron: 527060 the cc, 332290 slag, 960300 ppb, 500500 dg = 2320150. originally stated counts less 50 count each [14:21]
hanbot: wonders if the particularly promising branch icon's similarity to a hashpipe was intentional [14:24]
hanbot: danielpbarron trade me w/e ready (i'm stupendously overweight ofc) [14:25]
mircea_popescu: the branch of great promise! [14:26]
hanbot: look at that, exact change! [14:26]
hanbot: tyvm [14:26]
danielpbarron: yw [14:28]
danielpbarron: so nothing else is going on then? [14:29]
mircea_popescu: sure. i'm buying stuff. [14:29]
mircea_popescu: sell me some md. [14:29]
danielpbarron: i have some keys to locked tiny claims for sale -> http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/claims.txt [14:42]
mircea_popescu: aww i want like 5000 shrooms [15:13]
danielpbarron: working on that [15:14]
mircea_popescu: :D [15:14]
danielpbarron: i need lobbes or some other noob to make something for me [15:14]
mircea_popescu: anyway, once i get my us from grenadine ima make some screens and burn them down, should be some lbn. [15:14]
mircea_popescu: curently completely out ;/ [15:14]
mod6: sorry I missed out today. how did it go? [15:24]
DianaComan: hi mod6, somehow it seems only hanbot made it in the end right on time so she got everything at starting price and went on to loot some 0.8 [15:25]
DianaComan: 0.08 [15:25]
mod6: ahh, wow. dangit. i hate missing the auctions. [15:26]
mod6: congrats hanbot! [15:27]
mod6: DianaComan: i've put it on my cal to get the bot working on wednesday. [15:31]
mod6: if i don't put it on there, it'll just keep slipping away from me. :] [15:31]
mod6: i'd like to work on it now, but I gotta finish this updated rotor script. [15:31]
DianaComan: yay, I still have a chance of keeping to my original plan and release an update today, lol [15:31]
mod6: nice! [15:32]
mod6: does it require much testing before release? [15:32]
DianaComan: mhm, it's more that testing now is a). difficult (as in: takes me ages to rank up in tinkering to test if that works…) b). can't really automate much c). disrupting and therefore basically expensive [15:34]
danielpbarron: mod6, what is your tinkering rank? [15:34]
mod6: tinkering… [15:34]
DianaComan: so it takes a lot although it is not really a lot of testing done [15:34]
mod6: im gonna go out on a limb and say it might be like 65-70? [15:35]
mod6: b). can't really automate much << would any unit tests help at all? are End to End (blackbox) tests out of the question? [15:35]
danielpbarron: do you know what quality you output? [15:35]
DianaComan: so nice mod6, would you mcguyver some stuff for me when you get in? [15:36]
mod6: danielpbarron: i used to know… but its been ages since I made my first samovar. so im sure whatever I'd make now would be different. [15:36]
DianaComan: mhm, it involves the server so not sure what I can do with that; I can of course write unit tests for my code as it is but the main trouble is usually context (as in: if someone mines next to me, will it get confused? why/how?) [15:37]
mod6: hmm. [15:38]
danielpbarron: mod6, you want to tinker some stuff for me? I need some low quality improbable oil and slag [15:38]
mod6: DianaComan: maybe once I get it running, maybe there is some automation I can dreamup for you — will help to know exactly what it does I suppose. hehe. [15:38]
mod6: So as far as the help with the crafting… [15:39]
DianaComan: eh, that's the thing mod6: by the time I end up writing a full testing environment, I'm SURE I'm far better off writing a new minimal client [15:39]
mod6: If I can do what needs doing in the next 20 minutes, we're good. Because I must get at least 2 hours of coding work in on this script before 5pm CDT. [15:39]
DianaComan: it's by far time/effort better spent [15:39]
DianaComan: oh, are you in? [15:40]
DianaComan: I can get stuff out and it shouldn't take that long really [15:40]
mod6: not yet. [15:40]
mod6: ok [15:40]
mod6: :] [15:40]
DianaComan: kk, will get it ready [15:40]
mod6: i'll help [15:40]
mod6: danielpbarron: get your items ready. [15:40]
DianaComan: thanks! :) [15:40]
mod6: i'll give you each 10 minutes. [15:40]
mod6: that's all i can spare today. [15:40]
mod6: :/ [15:40]
DianaComan: I had someone say that they'll come by this evening and ask for an account, but well, I don't see them around so dunno [15:47]
danielpbarron: shinohai, do you have an account yet? [15:47]
shinohai: I had one, mp sent me a login but I didn't backup and twas on my stolen lappy [15:48]
danielpbarron: you still have your key, no? [15:48]
mod6: hey shinohai [15:51]
shinohai: yeah I have my key, i never keep gpg keys on computer [15:56]
shinohai: hai mod6 [15:56]
shinohai: gonna try to reinstall and try that nvidia driver [15:56]
danielpbarron: so then i think you can just get the credentials re-sent? [15:56]
danielpbarron: mod6, i think it finished? [15:57]
mod6: danielpbarron: yeah, sorry only 3, but just pressed for time today. and i really wanna try to get the rotor script changes complete today. although, don't know if I'll make it. but getting to 80\% would be awesome. [16:22]
DianaComan: lol Grenadine in the end I got the wrong base q there for the beetles – it seems it's 1088 rather than 664? would you please check it with storage too? [16:27]
DianaComan: hanbot ^ [16:27]
DianaComan: uhm, I'm totally confused as to what values the storage/spirover show [16:28]
danielpbarron: 1088 is correct [16:29]
danielpbarron: i have noticed a method to the madness of base pricing [16:30]
DianaComan: thanks danielpbarron [16:30]
danielpbarron: it changes at each unit interval [16:30]
DianaComan: which is? [16:30]
danielpbarron: that is, under 100 quality it is 0 [16:30]
hanbot: DianaComan they're q143 [16:30]
danielpbarron: at 100+ it's the "base" [16:30]
danielpbarron: and at 200+ it's twice the "base" [16:30]
danielpbarron: and so on [16:30]
mircea_popescu: lol DianaComan i thought you wrote the book on base values [16:30]
DianaComan: yes hanbot, but apparently the base value (so at 100q) for beetles is actually 1088 and NOT 664 as I thought, lol [16:30]
DianaComan: yeah, and precisely this one is wrong, lol [16:31]
DianaComan: the beetle [16:31]
DianaComan: oh danielpbarron so you mean it just doesn't care in between? could be, geez [16:31]
mircea_popescu: yeah. it rounds to the nearest 100 [16:31]
danielpbarron: makes me wonder if the inbetween is actually not relevant [16:31]
danielpbarron: a scary thought [16:31]
mircea_popescu: nah, just the evaluator is busted. [16:32]
mircea_popescu: trivial display issue, was going to be fixed the next day but then chetty went sick. [16:33]
mircea_popescu: most successful bug of all time, i hate it in utter disproportion to its diminutive size by now [16:33]
hanbot: DianaComan so trade me for your 14.18k? [16:35]
mircea_popescu: Magical Dungbeetle (MD) – 1088 [16:36]
mircea_popescu: eulorum has it at 1088 [16:36]
DianaComan: where? I looked and it was ? [16:36]
DianaComan: and in my list for some reason it was 664 [16:36]
DianaComan: I think it's in too many places, lol [16:36]
DianaComan: thanks hanbot [16:37]
hanbot: np [16:37]
DianaComan: http://www.eulorum.org/Resource_Base_Values [16:37]
lobbesbot: Title: Resource Base Values – Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) [16:37]
DianaComan: here it's ? [16:37]
DianaComan: are they somewhere else on eulorum too? [16:37]
mircea_popescu: http://www.eulorum.org/Index_of_Resources [16:37]
lobbesbot: Title: Index of Resources – Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) [16:37]
mircea_popescu: hm i guess those have to be merged [16:38]
hanbot: actually a problem is i dunno how to delete pages ;p [16:38]
hanbot: some of the edits i did rendered pages obsolete [16:38]
mircea_popescu: actually wouldn't hurt if the meaning of the numbers were explained on page alos [16:38]
danielpbarron: DianaComan> where? I looked and it was ? << i think i updated that one just the other night [16:38]
DianaComan: I think it's better there with the index of resources but it would make sense to add the explanation as to wtf is that [16:39]
danielpbarron: aha yeah it's in a second place, here -> http://www.eulorum.org/Index_of_Resources#Advanced_Resources [16:39]
lobbesbot: Title: Index of Resources – Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) [16:39]
DianaComan: actually hanbot why the new page in the first place as it's anyway a copy of that with just the base values added or isnt' it? [16:39]
danielpbarron: i'd like a page of all base values, not just of harvestables [16:40]
danielpbarron: i'll even curate it myself, but what is the right way to make this? [16:40]
DianaComan: it's in my list of things for the bot to spit out [16:40]
hanbot: DianaComan because the index is a list *with* base values rather than just base values, if that makes sense. danielpbarron nothing keeps nonharvestables from appearing on the index [16:41]
mircea_popescu: i have one made on paper right here by the kbd lol [16:41]
DianaComan: and integrate with the index of bps really, but lately I haven't really had time at all to go through it [16:41]
mircea_popescu: hanbot well it is called "index of resources" [16:41]
mircea_popescu: maybe the right way to do it is make "index of Tinkering items" "index of McGuyver items" etc ? [16:41]
mircea_popescu: or maybe just one big page, "Item Index" [16:42]
mircea_popescu: it could be name, base value, recipe, and staqtically linked so if you click on an item's ingredient ytou jump up or down the page to that one. [16:42]
DianaComan: lol, that's basically one of the due updates on http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/index.html [16:43]
hanbot: that sounds like a good idea. [16:43]
lobbesbot: Title: Euloran Cookbook Version 1.1 (at www.dianacoman.com) [16:43]
DianaComan: meanwhile I've updated at least this one http://www.eulorum.org/Resource_Base_Values [16:47]
lobbesbot: Title: Resource Base Values – Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) [16:47]
danielpbarron: DianaComan, are you interested in this? -> http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/claims.txt [16:48]
danielpbarron: each key also comes with an enumeration [16:48]
DianaComan: uhm danielpbarron it's not really worth the hassle for the tinies given how much you want for them too, honestly [16:49]
danielpbarron: should be profitable [16:49]
DianaComan: by such a tiny margin that it's actually NOT if you factor in the time to find the claim [16:50]
danielpbarron: what is time worth? [16:50]
mircea_popescu: yeah i think this trading tinies thing would work if there were a cloud of noobs barehand mining AROUND a mining vet [16:50]
mircea_popescu: who dug out their found tinies. [16:50]
DianaComan: exactly mircea_popescu [16:51]
mircea_popescu: need a team of maybe i dunno, half a dozen noobs ? so they keep digging them up at the rate the guy mines them [16:51]
mircea_popescu: should probably yield a decent satoshi for an evening's work, but we're not there yet. [16:51]
DianaComan: danielpbarron time is worth what other thing I can do with it and bare in mind that I can leave the bot to mine on its own whatever, but I'll have to manually go after your tinies [16:51]
DianaComan: of course there's additional trouble there mircea_popescu, as "guarded" [16:52]
danielpbarron: you can mine at a profit? [16:52]
DianaComan: other things than wm yes [16:52]
DianaComan: and even wm as long as I don't mine specifically them so kind of "not intensive" [16:52]
DianaComan: that's the reason why there were those 18 md earlier for hanbot too [16:53]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i've certainly been profitable over the past 10-20mn mining. [16:53]
danielpbarron: hm, ok [16:53]
mircea_popescu: hard to say exactly how much, but if i had to guess something in the range of 10k an hour maybe. [16:54]
mircea_popescu: course if i spend that hour making something like say noob qual shaped slag into tools, i'm massively profitable, which is how i can afford to pay 3x merchant to people with low q. [16:55]
DianaComan: btw danielpbarron found anything new? (snakeskins, canines etc) [16:59]
danielpbarron: i already have snakeskins [17:01]
danielpbarron: didn't find them gathering though [17:02]
lobbesbot: News from dianacoman: Foxybots v1.2 <http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/11/16/foxybots-v1-2/> [18:39]
DianaComan: ha, nice lobbesbot [18:40]
mircea_popescu: nice changelist for foxybot [22:14]
mircea_popescu: ill be testing this later on [22:14]

November 14, 2015

#eulora Logs for 14 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: ok sop nobody wants to make the SO ? [17:54]
mircea_popescu: i guess ima boil it myself. [17:54]
mircea_popescu: also for the record, next step is US, if anyone wants to make THOSE you have a coupla hours to say something. [18:30]
danielpbarron: is there any interest in keys to locked tiny claims of things like shrooms? seems like a waste for me to build them myself at quality ~90 when someone else could probably get 150 out of them [23:41]

November 13, 2015

#eulora Logs for 13 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
danielpbarron: DianaComan, I'd like to buy 8 of your finest two leaf clovers [07:39]
danielpbarron: who has supplication of berries drafts? I'd like some of those as well [07:43]
DianaComan: danielpbarron 168q [08:28]
danielpbarron: ya [09:23]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you can buy the actual made sups. will have to talk to hanbot about price. [09:56]
mircea_popescu: thios, of course, once someone finallyt gets his ass in gear and gets me md. [09:56]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu I have 1617 sb at 181q – will you make them 21 ppb for me? I'll also need to corresponding 7 toothpaste [10:27]
DianaComan: danielpbarron you around? [10:28]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan in a minute, writing a guide for anarchists. [10:28]
DianaComan: ha, ok; oh, and I have 10k cft if you want it [10:29]
mircea_popescu: yuppers. [10:30]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan two fixes to the bot. 1 : can you make it stack the used tools ? like say, add them to any stack with durability left < 150 [10:55]
mircea_popescu: and 2 : seems jurov mining in same spot confuses it, doesn't know where to put the keys ? can you make it so it dumps ALL small and tiny keys when dumpoing keys, nmot justthe last 1 ? [10:56]
DianaComan: checking the durability is another message to the server, hence kind of a mess [10:56]
DianaComan: and the other one yuck [10:56]
DianaComan: that would mean going through the inventory AND sending a message to the server for EACH key found + getting the answer etc [10:57]
DianaComan: both are totally possible for sure [10:57]
DianaComan: esp the second one is kind of an overkill atm [10:57]
mircea_popescu: well yeah but eventually./ [10:57]
DianaComan: thing is: all of this is basically the mess caused by the current design of the client as a totally dumb terminal [10:58]
DianaComan: and not sure it's worth the huge headache of still using it as such, not quite decided yet on this [10:58]
mircea_popescu: aqh [10:58]
mircea_popescu: ah* [10:58]
DianaComan: the version you have now is indeed getting confused by someone else mining in vicinity because of the EID issue [10:59]
mircea_popescu: oh i should upgrade huh [10:59]
DianaComan: hopefully that is solved in the new version which I am currently *trying* to test (basically most of the testing of a new client version means disruption to any planned activity and getting behind on all sorts, sigh) [10:59]
DianaComan: I did not yet release it as I'd rather try at least to test it before release but… [11:00]
DianaComan: the plan is to release it this weekend [11:00]
DianaComan: it fixes the training on cooking, the issue with craft containers, hopefully this issue with miners in vicinity [11:01]
DianaComan: I'll think a bit about it maybe to add stacking of used tools as in putting them all in one single slot (so not on previous stack, but at least in just one new stack rather than in the next free slot) [11:03]
mircea_popescu: a sveet [11:07]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> danielpbarron you can buy the actual made sups. will have to talk to hanbot about price. << i want high q supplications [11:12]
mircea_popescu: well yeah. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan yeah, have a dedicated slot works [11:13]
danielpbarron: if there's low q supps floating around i'll buy those too i guess [11:13]
danielpbarron: i want both [11:13]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan you around town to settle these deals ? [13:12]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, yet another place eulora shines as economic simulator : the separation between closing and settlement as well as its natural causes are all made so plain… [13:13]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu I'm in now [14:47]
DianaComan: uhm, for total added weirdness, now it seems that somehow I ended up finding bird's nests where previously I found berries??? [14:52]
danielpbarron: hey i found bird's nest in a strange spot today as well [15:13]
danielpbarron: in my snail spot [15:13]
DianaComan: ugh, invasion of bird's nest then – I was more afraid that now the item found depends not only on location but ALSO on skill or something [15:22]
DianaComan: as in: relative skill [15:22]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan and nao ? [17:02]
DianaComan: can come [17:03]
mircea_popescu: alrighty let's meet. [17:03]
DianaComan: on my way [17:03]
mircea_popescu: you want more grass btw ? just got another 6k [17:03]
DianaComan: mhm, what q? [17:03]
mircea_popescu: 235 now [17:04]
DianaComan: uhm, guess not for now – even 240 doesn't seem to do a lot so far and I still have some to go through [17:05]
mircea_popescu: storing it. [17:07]
mircea_popescu: btw, you never said, you wanted to do a SO run ? [17:08]
DianaComan: grass: 4500Ã\u00971.6Ã\u00971.25Ã\u0097180+5500Ã\u00971.61Ã\u00971.25Ã\u0097180 = 3612375 [17:08]
DianaComan: hm, is that mcguyver? [17:08]
mircea_popescu: no it's cooking [17:09]
DianaComan: oh, that's cooking, isn't it? [17:09]
DianaComan: let me get those branches out and I'll have a look at it [17:09]
DianaComan: meanwhile I got more branches, 6006, is that ok? 6006Ã\u00971.25Ã\u00971.81Ã\u009757 = 774548 [17:16]
mircea_popescu: sure. [17:16]
mircea_popescu: ill process them now. [17:16]
DianaComan: oh my so is milk, dulce and cheese, yikes [17:17]
DianaComan: what q do you have on those? [17:17]
mircea_popescu: 200ish [17:17]
DianaComan: I think I still get relatively high q on cooking, not sure it makes a lot of sense [17:17]
mircea_popescu: you realise that if i pay you 25\% you don't get the ppbs right ? [17:17]
DianaComan: uhm, so what's your deal for me getting the ppbs then? [17:18]
mircea_popescu: (206 – 1.81) / 2 + 1.81 [17:18]
DianaComan: and the ppbs then you still apply 25\%? [17:19]
mircea_popescu: aha. [17:19]
mircea_popescu: i am burning my bps for this – very marginal – deal. basically i'm not even sure turning 181q into 206 q is worth the bp draw. [17:20]
mircea_popescu: it might be a much better approach to have a noob process the ppbs, get the bps, then pay someone to make low ft and i'll make the sticks. [17:21]
DianaComan: it surely is [17:21]
DianaComan: I kept the sb until now [17:21]
DianaComan: I even offered a full package yest [17:22]
DianaComan: but nobody seems to want it… [17:22]
DianaComan: guess it will have to wait some more [17:22]
mircea_popescu: tho in fairness stick bps are also pretty expensiv [17:22]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan you're not willing to just sell it then ? [17:22]
mircea_popescu: ill pay you 25\% on it. [17:22]
DianaComan: but I want sticks, lol [17:22]
DianaComan: that's why I gathered it in the first place [17:22]
DianaComan: and if you then sell the sticks only for wm and moss [17:23]
DianaComan: …. [17:23]
mircea_popescu: yeah ? [17:23]
mircea_popescu: economy! getting people to do other things than what they want to do, since 3000 bc. [17:23]
DianaComan: wm is something like 4 per stick what I get [17:23]
DianaComan: well, it's unconvincing so far for me, lol [17:24]
mircea_popescu: that's pretty awful [17:24]
DianaComan: exactly [17:24]
mircea_popescu: i'm trying to recall what sticks sell for [17:24]
mircea_popescu: were they ever auctioned or anything ? [17:24]
DianaComan: hence why I do not mine the wms, hence why I don't see the point in selling the sb then [17:24]
DianaComan: what, wms? [17:24]
mircea_popescu: sticks. [17:25]
DianaComan: and even MORE: it's actually a bullshit deal for me to sell you the wms in such conditions: I'm much better off catching a noob to build my wm claims and then selling the wms separately [17:26]
DianaComan: yes, of course they have been auctioned, lol [17:26]
DianaComan: last time it was that split thing /private auction kind of stuff, but things change all the time really [17:26]
DianaComan: I think it settled at 27k at that time per stick iirc [17:27]
mircea_popescu: i suspect a stick bp is something like 5-10k, hard to price. [17:27]
DianaComan: thing is like this it starts being possibly better if I make the ppb already as I get *some* overcraft on it as it is, and then give that to a noob to make some sticks for bps + will mix them with mine etc [17:29]
DianaComan: in all those "better" things, the noobs are missing, of course [17:29]
DianaComan: well, for the moment though guess the pile of sb goes back to storage, sigh [17:30]
mircea_popescu: aww k. [17:30]
mircea_popescu: so what were we trading, cft and what ? [17:30]
DianaComan: cft; was there anything else? [17:30]
DianaComan: the initial plan was cft and sb; sb fell through; so doesn't sound ok because my cooking q is too high [17:31]
mircea_popescu: kk [17:31]
mircea_popescu: hit me [17:31]
DianaComan: 4500Ã\u00971.6Ã\u00971.25Ã\u0097180+5500Ã\u00971.61Ã\u00971.25Ã\u0097180 = 3612375 [17:32]
mircea_popescu: mmm. won't they mix ? [17:33]
DianaComan: then take that and will pass the other separately [17:33]
mircea_popescu: fuck im 20k short. [17:33]
DianaComan: bank? lolz [17:33]
mircea_popescu: alright [17:34]
DianaComan: you can bank while trading you know [17:35]
mircea_popescu: yes bujt i cant store while trading [17:35]
DianaComan: thanks [17:35]
mircea_popescu: my pleasure. [17:36]
mircea_popescu: well, if no one wants to make the so i guess ill make it myself, level up some. seems kind of a waste. [17:36]
DianaComan: maybe jurov? [17:36]
DianaComan: I get 155q on cooking [17:37]
DianaComan: oh wow, still have a milk at 216 made by ME ages ago [17:38]
DianaComan: ha [17:38]
DianaComan: why didn't I make MORE? :))) [17:38]
mircea_popescu: lol see ? [17:39]
DianaComan: well, I know why: I barely had the ingredients for this one even at the time [17:39]
mircea_popescu: you don't have enough appreciatiuon for the value of making stocks. [17:39]
DianaComan: I didn't have enough tubers or whatever it was rather, lol [17:39]
mircea_popescu: i got plenty of those. i don't have wm. [17:41]
DianaComan: oh, there, WM, at the time it hadn't even been FOUND [17:41]
mircea_popescu: (only reason i have plenty of those is cuz i bouight a stock, otherwise if ii had to buy the k's i burn i'd be exactly in the same position i am with md.) [17:41]
DianaComan: for one thing: tubers I also have plenty for the same reason [17:42]
DianaComan: wm was never a case of stocking up on it from the merchant [17:42]
mircea_popescu: yeah electron never had much in the way of shrooms huh [17:42]
DianaComan: and for the other thing: it was such early days that I had no idea on so many levels (still don't anyway, but ahem) that it's not too far from amazing that I even have that one done, lol [17:43]
mircea_popescu: anyway, im thinking i got enough hoes stash to get my mining level high enough to then use sticks to get to wm. [17:45]
mircea_popescu: there's well over 20mn worth of basic hoes, and then there's going to be another 20 mn worth of imps hoes. 40mn worth of exploring should yield some decent gathering skill. [17:46]
mircea_popescu: after which, i really wanna give this wm / chetty stick thing a go. [17:46]
DianaComan: meanwhile daniel increases his gathering skill much faster than you can basically [17:46]
mircea_popescu: how could he do that ? [17:46]
DianaComan: he doesn't build [17:46]
DianaComan: hence while you explore once [17:46]
mircea_popescu: no matter. can he burn k's of hoes ? [17:46]
DianaComan: he explored twice [17:46]
DianaComan: don't know [17:47]
DianaComan: possibly yes, why not? [17:47]
DianaComan: I have no idea what stocks he has/wants to use [17:47]
mircea_popescu: well what am i gonna do. try it out and see. [17:47]
DianaComan: but anyway, good luck, why not [17:47]
mircea_popescu: industry does not work without wm, and asking for it doesn't work, so ima have to mine it. [17:47]
DianaComan: I didn't even mention my own stash of tools, lol [17:47]
DianaComan: well, eulora doesn't work without noobs pretty much [17:48]
DianaComan: that's the issue there, not the wm [17:48]
mircea_popescu: the fact remains mining's been reasonably productive for me so far. [17:48]
DianaComan: good for you [17:48]
mircea_popescu: maybe it's my one true destiny. [17:48]
mircea_popescu: anyway, gotta figure out wtf to do about this so, to make some screens and cut some bits. [17:49]
mircea_popescu: hey hanbot what's your cooking skill ? [17:49]
mircea_popescu: the bitch with SO is that the bundle is worth well over 120k. so you want a noob, but if he's too noob then most of the xp gets lost outr. [17:50]
DianaComan: on the other hand with such a big value of the bp + big overcraft maybe there's a change you get some w2d for instance? [17:52]
DianaComan: that's why I kind of want to do it, but my cooking really seems to be too high :( [17:52]
mircea_popescu: how much do you make ? [17:54]
DianaComan: 155q [17:54]
mircea_popescu: i would expect that's about in range. much lower than that and you'd need less than 100k to level no ? [17:55]
DianaComan: well, it's not that easy, is it [17:56]
DianaComan: I get that q mainly because of tinkering high [17:56]
mircea_popescu: aha [17:56]
DianaComan: to answer your q: it depends on where you get the q from – gung-ho skill or tinkering skill [17:56]
DianaComan: so I might even lose lots of xp in fact on gung-ho, making it even worse [17:56]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [17:56]
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> hey hanbot what's your cooking skill ? << 1, haha [17:56]
mircea_popescu: ah [17:57]
DianaComan: ha, hanbot then maybe you'd rather make some ppb and toothpaste for me? [17:57]
hanbot: danielpbarron i'll be around for a while now [17:57]
hanbot: tbh i'm kinda meh on training my low skills these days [17:58]
DianaComan: I'm 54 on gung-ho [17:58]
mircea_popescu: im over 300. nuts that you make q 150 then, to my 200 [18:51]
danielpbarron: is around [23:14]

November 12, 2015

#eulora Logs for 12 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: :) [00:00]
mircea_popescu: go mining for a bit, i'll write you a book of crafting later. [00:00]
danielpbarron: eh the moss i have is good enough. lobbes when you get the tinkering skill come to me for a package to craft [00:07]
lobbes: k [00:07]
mircea_popescu: so lobbes , in recognition of all your work with the log and bot and such, ima give you a gift. at your option, you can have either : [01:13]
mircea_popescu: 22 Petrified Bubbles, or else [01:14]
mircea_popescu: 198 Slithy Toves, or else [01:14]
mircea_popescu: 509 Dead Molluscs [01:14]
mircea_popescu: lemme know which you want. [01:14]
lobbes: oh gad, hmm [01:14]
mircea_popescu: >D [01:14]
lobbes: I shall pick Slithy Toves [01:16]
lobbes: lemme make my way back to village [01:16]
mircea_popescu: alrighty, onesec. [01:17]
lobbes: found/built my first claim too, got some three-pointed thorns (no idea if that's good, but it is fun) [01:17]
mircea_popescu: cool! [01:19]
mircea_popescu: lobbes im same place. [01:23]
lobbes: k, on my way [01:24]
mircea_popescu: btw, if anyone's got improved cruddy hoe bps, i'm buying. [01:25]
mircea_popescu: eeenjoy! [01:27]
lobbes: danielpbarron: I'm off to bed, but I hope to get some euloran fun in this weekend. Just got tinkering skill, so I'll ping you about that crafting [01:42]
diana_coman: lobbes ping me when you are around if you want to build some mushroom claims (I'll provide everything, you build them and give me the shrooms; you get the xp to level up and I'll give you 10\% if you hit big loot) [02:03]
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there ever existed a game where noobs were in this much demand. [02:20]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu I guess I'll take that deal on chetty sticks if it's still on [02:28]
mircea_popescu: alrighty, what you got ? [02:29]
diana_coman: I would prolly have the moss, but not the shrooms – that'll have to wait until lobbes gets in ideally [02:29]
diana_coman: if he doesn't want to do it, then until I catch someone else [02:29]
diana_coman: jurov> diana_coman: these small cdgs are waiting for someone? <- I think those are some I gave the keys+enums to hanbot long time ago, not sure if she ever got around to do anything with them [02:42]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu from rummaging around my storage, here's what I have: 12wm 140q + 36sm 157q 12Ã\u00971.4Ã\u0097778+36Ã\u0097157Ã\u00971.52 = 21660 so I guess that'd be for 1 stick or something; not sure if you wanted that or only the full set of sticks [04:00]
DianaComan: in any case, if I ever get a noob to build the wm claims I guess it actually makes more sense to sell the resulting wms (q below 80 I guess) on their own rather than part of such deal [04:01]
DianaComan: I have a complete package for making 30 ppb and corresponding 10 toothpaste, q is around 162 so anyone under that interested? jurov? hanbot? mod6? [08:14]
danielpbarron: DianaComan, what's the highest quality you can get on moss? What do you charge to build some claims if i provide the keys, enumerations, and ingredients? [09:08]
DianaComan: currently I seem to get on moss 139q only, danielpbarron; happy with that? [09:09]
danielpbarron: oh huh [09:10]
danielpbarron: i have enough around that q already [09:10]
danielpbarron: i thought maybe you got it around 200 [09:10]
DianaComan: q went down sharply lately [09:10]
DianaComan: it's recovering now, but it will take a while [09:11]
DianaComan: so maybe in a few days, lol [09:11]
danielpbarron: is moss not something farming improves? [09:11]
DianaComan: no [09:11]
danielpbarron: ah, then my question is for mircea_popescu [09:11]
DianaComan: moss is mining [09:11]
danielpbarron: he probably gets higher [09:12]
DianaComan: doubt that, but maybe [09:12]
danielpbarron: are you the highest in building? [09:12]
DianaComan: I don't know exactly since I don't know other people's levels [09:13]
danielpbarron: 139 is the highest moss quality?? [09:13]
DianaComan: did I mention all qualities went down sharply over the last few days? lol [09:13]
danielpbarron: i noticed [09:13]
DianaComan: I still have my own moss at 153 q, yes [09:13]
DianaComan: but that was mined by me …some days ago [09:13]
danielpbarron: i used to get over 150 quality building [09:13]
danielpbarron: now i get 94 [09:14]
DianaComan: aha, so there [09:14]
DianaComan: it's not only for you it went down [09:14]
danielpbarron: i hadn't really been building [09:14]
danielpbarron: lobbes, ping me when you are around [09:14]
danielpbarron: my package is as good as it's gonna get [09:14]
danielpbarron: gonna give you high quality ingredients to make some improbable oil; I want the resulting oil and the looted blueprints [09:15]
DianaComan: actually looking back it seems I had the moss over 170 before q started going down quickly [09:19]
DianaComan: not that it helps in anyway right now [09:19]
jurov: DianaComan: when my output got over 100 loot declined much (don't have exact data), so I'll pass [11:33]
DianaComan: do you get over 100 on cooking too? [11:34]
mitch_callahan: sorry for all of those network connections I was making. not sure wtf is up. i have to replace this IRC client of mine. [11:36]
jurov: DianaComan: cooked nothing yet [11:38]
DianaComan: jurov you made the toothpaste, lol [11:39]
jurov: o i confused i with bouquinism [11:39]
jurov: the fp was over 90, too [11:40]
jurov: *ftp [11:40]
mircea_popescu: "ftp ? [12:31]
DianaComan: he meant flinty toothpaste [12:34]
mircea_popescu: pretty cool tho, i gotta make a http and a ssl. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i only got sortage, moss is not basic. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: but if you want i can mine it, also about 130 something q. maybe 120s by now [12:43]
mircea_popescu: o btw lobbes if you're selling that ST, let me know. [12:43]
DianaComan: awww lobbes why didn't you pick the bubbles – those would have fetched a very pretty sum, lol [12:47]
DianaComan: out of curiosity: what q are the newly injected ST? [12:47]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan or the cheese! [12:48]
DianaComan: yeah actually, OR the molluscs omg [12:53]
DianaComan: meanwhile I'm finding TLC in all sorts of new places but *nothing new* – most frustrating [12:54]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan they call it beginner's luck :D [12:54]
DianaComan: ha ha, and an apt introduction to eulora at that, I'd say [12:55]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile im cooking up some cp. i've had it with this no lbn situation, will grind the screens down a little more wtf. [12:55]
DianaComan: will you sell any lbn? [12:55]
mircea_popescu: glwhshghrhs [12:55]
DianaComan: lol [12:55]
mircea_popescu: hey, you got any screen left ? [12:56]
DianaComan: yes [12:56]
mircea_popescu: i'll trade lbn for screen how about that. [12:56]
DianaComan: the devil is in the details as usual [12:56]
mircea_popescu: what does it yield, 103 per click ? [12:56]
mircea_popescu: hmm i wonder how one could work out this deal [12:56]
DianaComan: iirc yes [12:56]
DianaComan: that's the trouble [12:56]
mircea_popescu: what \% do you want for table durability if you get to buy back the resulting lbn in qty of 103 * clicks in it at 45 ea ? [12:57]
DianaComan: ugh, will have to run some numbers when I get back to the game to grab some concrete data [12:58]
mircea_popescu: no rush. [12:58]
danielpbarron: how much is lbn worth? [12:59]
danielpbarron: has over 10k at 11 quality [12:59]
mircea_popescu: i'd pay 300k for your bundle. [13:01]
mircea_popescu: in other news i'm making cp at 207. [13:04]
mircea_popescu: who's da masta cook! [13:04]
lobbes: DianaComan: awww lobbes why didn't you pick the bubbles – those would have fetched a very pretty sum, lol << lol, I had a feeling I'd make the less-optimal choice [13:12]
lobbes: and mircea_popescu, I'll sell you some of those ST, sure. I'll ping you about it once I jump on this weekend [13:14]
mircea_popescu: heh so the only practical way to do shredding is with a screen and a table. to collect all the piles pof paper. [13:57]
hanbot: i'm also about out of lbn. gone are the days of easy exploring. [14:15]
mircea_popescu: we burned through who knows how much, 100k ? [14:15]
danielpbarron: lobbes> and mircea_popescu, I'll sell you some of those ST, sure << lemme make an offer too; what is the quality? [14:31]
DianaComan: hanbot> i'm also about out of lbn. gone are the days of easy exploring. <- funny how the bot made exploring so easy as to cause a lack of lbn which makes exploring …difficult, lol [14:36]
hanbot: mhm! [14:36]
danielpbarron: feel free to bid on my bits [14:36]
DianaComan: oh wow, 10k lbn [14:37]
mircea_popescu: lol DianaComan only sorta half-way reads the log [14:38]
DianaComan: I just got back, lolz [14:38]
DianaComan: going backwards [14:38]
DianaComan: would pay 350k for the stack danielpbarron [14:39]
DianaComan: is going back to town to check screens and figure out some price on wearing them down [14:40]
danielpbarron: maybe i'll make a formal auction out of it on sunday [14:42]
danielpbarron: i think i should start to have sundays free again from now on [14:43]
hanbot: i'd prolly bid too [14:43]
hanbot: btw mircea_popescu do you need bps for shredding or whatever else? i have a bunch: 1437 cc, 44145 cft, 1722 ct, 10060 dg, 44571 ibs, 2184 ppb, 16034 srs, 4797 s [14:43]
mircea_popescu: ill take the ibs and cft. [14:44]
mircea_popescu: what qs are they ? [14:44]
danielpbarron: wants low quality blueprints [14:44]
DianaComan: hmm, anyone selling kilt bps? [14:45]
hanbot: ~80q [14:45]
danielpbarron: if you're looking for higher quality blueprints to shred, maybe i could sell, provided i get the usual premium on them [14:45]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 20c for cft , 27c for ibs ? [14:45]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan if you sell me some eps i can make some kilts thus looting some bps. [14:45]
DianaComan: or hanbot, would you make some kilts for me? I'll provide everything, just click and give me the result + loot [14:46]
mircea_popescu: or that. [14:46]
DianaComan: uhm, are you sure you loot mircea_popescu? I'd rather have hanbot do it really [14:46]
mircea_popescu: the kit is like what, 2k total ? [14:46]
DianaComan: I barely loot anything on them, not sure how would you loot more [14:46]
hanbot: mircea_popecu okay. DianaComan my tinkering is 107 by now if that changes anything [14:47]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, would you pay 30c per cft blueprint at 141 quality? [14:47]
hanbot: lemme trade with mp first in any case [14:47]
DianaComan: you mean the bundle? the bp is 129 only, 11rr+1tpt+1eps [14:47]
danielpbarron: you don't wait for anyone else to bid? [14:47]
danielpbarron: just take first offer? [14:47]
DianaComan: sure, I'll get things out first anyway [14:47]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron notrly, i want either low q for undercrafting or high q for shredding. 141 is kinda neither [14:47]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan it's mcguyver you realise, i get 2.5k decay from tools. [14:48]
mircea_popescu: hanbot get them out of storage, im ~5 minutes from finishing this bouq run [14:48]
DianaComan: ah, there is that too, right [14:48]
mircea_popescu: and looted a tiny sparks sup. [14:49]
mircea_popescu: is this the first time ? [14:49]
mircea_popescu: 5 beetle brews. hey, anyone got md already ? [14:49]
mircea_popescu: 4800 lbn, better than nothing. [14:53]
DianaComan: not bad at all, I think the sparks supp might be first one indeed [14:53]
mircea_popescu: but this is going to be the last lbn i make before i get more screens. [14:53]
mircea_popescu: ok hanbot ready [14:54]
hanbot: 882900 + 1203417 = 2086317 mircea_popescu [14:54]
mircea_popescu: did we have outsdanding balances ? [14:54]
hanbot: nah [14:54]
mircea_popescu: thankee! [14:55]
hanbot: thanks. DianaComan can take kilt items now [14:55]
DianaComan: cool, coming [14:56]
hanbot: i don't have a bandar toolkit tho' [14:56]
hanbot: ah ah [14:57]
DianaComan: do you see it? [14:57]
danielpbarron: hanbot, 380c on the cc, 70c on the slag, 450c on the ppb ? [14:57]
DianaComan: I've put it down [14:57]
hanbot: got it [14:57]
hanbot: danielpbarron sure. am kilting, but reserved for you [14:58]
danielpbarron: and uh, 50c on the dg ? [14:59]
mircea_popescu: nah i had sparks before. [14:59]
DianaComan: supps you mean? [15:00]
danielpbarron: i've looted sparks supp drafts [15:00]
mircea_popescu: ya [15:00]
DianaComan: aha [15:00]
hanbot: danielpbarron works [15:00]
DianaComan: ha, gung-ho gumbo trained by bot finally [15:03]
mircea_popescu: o ? [15:04]
hanbot: DianaComan 46 kilt bps looted + ~40 others [15:05]
DianaComan: I guess it's because I did not have the skill on the last version of the bot so I could not actually test it at all [15:05]
DianaComan: yay hanbot, thanks! [15:05]
DianaComan: oh wow, that's a first hanbot, wd! [15:05]
mircea_popescu: and my grass is 236 [15:07]
hanbot: what's a first? [15:08]
DianaComan: the diagram, not sure I saw it before? [15:08]
DianaComan: I'll check [15:08]
DianaComan: well, at least I did not have it although the name sounds familiar but not sure where from – either it was at the merchant or maybe in some other bp as ingredient, mhm [15:09]
jurov: mircea_popescu: i have realized i have 5 ord flotsam outstanding, they need (together) 40 md, 15 wm, 5 ss, 20 dcs [16:04]
jurov: so i'm on market for these high q [16:05]
danielpbarron: hanbot, what's your bouq quality? maybe i can sell you my higher q blueprints [16:30]
mircea_popescu: jurov that's nice but there's been a shortage of md for months now [16:37]
DianaComan: and ss are actually not found as far as I know [16:39]
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, im out of dcs too. anyone got ? [16:40]
jurov: i am not well informed of such matters [16:41]
DianaComan: just 15 dcs mircea_popescu at 150q [16:41]
mircea_popescu: ouch. you know dcs is needed for toolkits ? [16:41]
mircea_popescu: we need moar. [16:41]
DianaComan: they are needed for all sorts of things; they also weigh a ton each [16:41]
DianaComan: and they are MINING [16:42]
mircea_popescu: yeah [16:42]
mircea_popescu: oh did you get danielpbarron 's lbn ? [16:43]
DianaComan: no, he said he "might" auction it on Sunday [16:43]
DianaComan: …. [16:43]
mircea_popescu: heh. [16:43]
mircea_popescu: well im not going over 350 anywya. [16:43]
DianaComan: reading only half the logs? [16:43]
DianaComan: me neither, lol [16:43]
DianaComan: maybe hanbot does, dunno [16:44]
DianaComan: btw need a rockpile for anything mircea_popescu? I can't recall where I saw it [16:46]
mircea_popescu: so i burned 300 lbn in … hour and a half. [16:46]
mircea_popescu: it's like 200 / hour is it. [16:46]
DianaComan: aha [16:46]
DianaComan: depends on what you mine [16:46]
mircea_popescu: grass. [16:46]
DianaComan: but on basics yeah, pretty much [16:46]
mircea_popescu: but yeah that time i tried for md/wm/sm i used like 10 i na night [16:46]
DianaComan: aha [16:47]
DianaComan: it's not *that* bad on something more reasonable than those [16:47]
DianaComan: not even sure moonass phase is anywhere near the end though as that would be great [16:47]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i've been doing great on grass. [16:48]
DianaComan: but from previous experience I still expect it to get worse first [16:48]
DianaComan: it's hard to tell on those basic stuffs [16:48]
DianaComan: it's the rare ones where it's visible plainly [16:48]
mircea_popescu: how hard to tell could it be, i put in like 10mn got out like 18 [16:49]
DianaComan: yes, but was it always around there? on basics it's never miss, on rares now you got how many misses? [16:50]
mircea_popescu: actually i miss on sr about 10\% or so [16:51]
DianaComan: oh, so isn't this different /worse than it used to be? [16:51]
DianaComan: you think it is just gathering skill or what? [16:51]
mircea_popescu: funny thing : i started with 1111 lbn/cft , i now have 824 lbn 831 cft [16:51]
mircea_popescu: almost parity. [16:51]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan iirc i never missed on sr back when i was top miner [16:52]
DianaComan: thing is: did you miss 10\% all the time when you were not top miner? [16:53]
mircea_popescu: pretty much. [16:53]
DianaComan: oh [16:53]
mircea_popescu: anyway, this run so far's been pretty miserable. [16:54]
mircea_popescu: btw you got my 10k cft done yet ? [16:54]
DianaComan: yours? lol [16:55]
DianaComan: this night should be the last run for it [16:55]
mircea_popescu: mine! ALL MINE!11 [16:55]
DianaComan: I left it exploring last night to test some anti-lag stuff [16:55]
DianaComan: and OF COURSE there was NO LAG this night [16:55]
mircea_popescu: did it work ? lol. [16:55]
mircea_popescu: btw you know about /ping right ? [16:56]
DianaComan: la modul sindrom de halat alb a mers presupun [16:56]
DianaComan: yes, so what? as long as I'm around it NEVER lags the shit [16:56]
mircea_popescu: you can include it in your testing, have it ping now and again i guess [16:56]
DianaComan: ugh [16:57]
DianaComan: and what would it do anyway ? I'll end up making a separate local thing to restart the client then or what [16:57]
mircea_popescu: no, you'd know if there's lag or not. [16:57]
DianaComan: (which then would be useful to collect the bits from keys etc) [16:57]
mircea_popescu: anyway, there doesn't seem a way out of this. ima have to bite the bullet and use up my high q molluscs ;/ [16:59]
DianaComan: what were you saving them for? [17:00]
mircea_popescu: i dont want to mix q400+ dm at 2k base with q 85 ST at 5k base. [17:00]
DianaComan: ah, yes- dunno if lobbes' st is higher q [17:01]
mircea_popescu: but whatever, by the time q 11 lbn go for 35 ea i figure ima just sell my q 190 ones for 50 and that'll be that. [17:01]
DianaComan: probably anyway; tbh I kept trying to figure out a pricing for screens, but the more I turn it around the more it seems to make more sense to just do the shredding myself and sod it [17:01]
DianaComan: I get about 160q anyway and whatever loot [17:02]
mircea_popescu: aha [17:02]
DianaComan: so I'm …shredding [17:02]
mircea_popescu: we'll be badly out of bps in short order. [17:02]
DianaComan: you mean any in particular or like..most? [17:03]
mircea_popescu: everything that shreds. [17:03]
DianaComan: uhm [17:03]
mircea_popescu: the current abundance of shredding bps for instance is predicated on the huge overcrafts we do as a matter of course. by the time we shred for the lbn, doing 1 each, cause out of bps, they'll start drawing down. [17:04]
mircea_popescu: im already working at very little count gain, with 4900 bundle q. [17:05]
DianaComan: not sure I follow that: the bps come from crafting which gets high overcraft due to sortage etc [17:05]
mircea_popescu: my lbn is 190, my bps are 200ish. what overcraft ? [17:05]
DianaComan: oh, you mean the shredding bps themselves [17:05]
mircea_popescu: yes. [17:05]
DianaComan: kept thinking of the bps TO shred, lol [17:06]
mircea_popescu: well, there's no question about it that those are going. [17:06]
mircea_popescu: we're currently sitting on a huge glut due to various fortunate circumstances / original imbalances. [17:06]
mircea_popescu: but you can't replace them at the rate you shred them. [17:06]
DianaComan: well, there are people with low bouq to make more bps I suppose, though ..molluscs needed [17:06]
DianaComan: yes [17:06]
mircea_popescu: so eventually you will be running shredding without overcraft, just for the lbn [17:07]
mircea_popescu: at which point the shredding bps themselves will be drawing down [17:07]
DianaComan: or sod the lbn and use sticks only :))) [17:07]
mircea_popescu: or that. [17:07]
DianaComan: oh wow, says I managed 0.2 crafting but I did not notice, lol [17:09]
mircea_popescu: hey, wd. doing what ? [17:10]
DianaComan: shredding… [17:10]
mircea_popescu: wait, 0.02 or actually 0.2 ? [17:10]
DianaComan: 0.02 sorry [17:10]
mircea_popescu: well, 2mn, still pretty good. [17:10]
DianaComan: oh, I got 374 uppity chickens, guess that's it [17:10]
mircea_popescu: prolly. [17:10]
mircea_popescu: since lobbesbot seems on vacation, http://trilema.com/2015/in-desperation-of-cause-or-eulora-november-15th-auction/ [18:30]
lobbesbot: Title: In Desperation of Cause, or Eulora November 15th Auction on Trilema – A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [18:30]
mircea_popescu: anyone want to process 30 suspect ointments for me ? [18:42]
lobbesbot: News from eulora: In Desperation of Cause, or Eulora November 15th Auction <http://trilema.com/2015/in-desperation-of-cause-or-eulora-november-15th-auction/> [19:13]
lobbes: strangles lobbesbot [19:13]
mircea_popescu: aww! [19:16]
lobbes: why is RSS such a pain with bots? I gotta pick trinque's brain; deedbot- is the only one I've seen that doesn't seem to have these issues [19:17]
mircea_popescu: knows next to nothing on this topic [19:20]
hanbot: <danielpbarron> hanbot, what's your bouq quality? maybe i can sell you my higher q blueprints << 21. you could in theory, but i don't have any screens, nor is ordering one too plausible atm [19:30]
hanbot: btw ping me w/e it'd be convenient for you to pick up those bps you wanted to buy [19:30]
danielpbarron: hanbot, ping [23:37]

November 11, 2015

#eulora Logs for 11 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
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mircea_popescu: aww [00:08]
jurov: lobbesbot is on lsd? [00:28]
mircea_popescu: fucking miserable… so i'm doing a run of overcrafted imp hoe. the package is at q375 [01:47]
mircea_popescu: and all i got are 16 bps in 9 tries. [01:47]
mircea_popescu: ~160-170 overcraft shgould get me about 8 or so per. [01:47]
diana_coman: hanbot diana_coman wtb 17x eps tiny enums, 3x eps small enums, price me pls when you get a chance! <- it would be 20k the whole package (17 tiny eps enums + 3 small eps enums); my current enum quality on eps seems to be 235; I have 2 older tiny eps enums at 315 – there seems to have been a huge fall somehow [09:39]
jurov: danielpbarron: 300k os ik, ping me when you're on [11:16]
jurov: *is ok [11:16]
mircea_popescu: jurov you want high q materials to make some bms ? [11:40]
hanbot: diana_coman kk, can trade w/e [11:40]
mircea_popescu: also, got some FT for me ? [11:41]
diana_coman: ok hanbot [11:41]
hanbot: thanks! [11:42]
diana_coman: np [11:42]
hanbot: so mircea_popescu, would you kindly make a snails & stones supplication for me? [11:43]
mircea_popescu: yep, lemme just take a piss. [11:43]
diana_coman: hanbot, just realised: did you actually get initially 40 molluscs from the very first leather supps? (which were something like 59 in q iirc?) [11:43]
hanbot: yep [11:45]
diana_coman: aha, thanks [11:45]
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes but must check if i have toolkit/chair left [11:45]
diana_coman: doesn't seem that supp q does much really, does it [11:46]
hanbot: "seem" being the operative word here. i'm really just trying out the various supplications to see what things they yield, so sample size is dismally small. [11:50]
mircea_popescu: jurov i am providing toolkit. [12:03]
mircea_popescu: also hanbot got some cc for me ? [12:03]
hanbot: yeah. diana_coman have 3 actual eps also? [12:05]
diana_coman: yes hanbot, give me 5 minutes to finish with this chetty stick and I'll come to town [12:06]
hanbot: no rush [12:06]
mircea_popescu: aaaand the pss sup draft is broken, ima have to reset server [12:08]
mircea_popescu: everyone take a 5 minute. [12:08]
diana_coman: lol [12:08]
hanbot: hey, pss = server reset *could* be valuable… [12:10]
mircea_popescu: aaaand snails broken too, except a diff way. [12:11]
mircea_popescu: re-reset. [12:11]
mircea_popescu: no fucking wonder nobody ever made these o.o [12:12]
mircea_popescu: got your stuff hanbot! [12:13]
hanbot: lovely, brt [12:13]
mircea_popescu: 2001 Ã\u0097 180 Ã\u0097 1.45 + 29 Ã\u0097 3780 Ã\u0097 1.45 â\u0088\u0092 15000 = 666210 [12:15]
mircea_popescu: bejesus, this is the 2nd time this week i have t opay a bill for 666 [12:15]
mircea_popescu: jurov you coming to town ? [12:16]
mircea_popescu: hanbot you avail to make 100 more ccs later once i get the bct together ? [12:17]
hanbot: yeah [12:17]
mircea_popescu: be ~ 1 hr [12:17]
jurov: server down [12:20]
diana_coman: it doesn't seem to be, jurov? [12:21]
mircea_popescu: it was briefly, but i've been crafting for a whiole now. [12:23]
jurov: coming to town [12:23]
mircea_popescu: cool, let me pack everything together. [12:24]
mircea_popescu: jurov do you need bps ? [12:27]
diana_coman: hanbot 3Ã\u00971.52Ã\u00971.3Ã\u0097399 = 2300 [12:28]
jurov: wat's bps? [12:29]
mircea_popescu: blueprints. [12:29]
mircea_popescu: jurov : 4x toolkit at 200k ea (128k base) + 24 * 677 * 2.06 * 1.25 + 244 * 88 * 2.61 * 1.25 = 911891. trade when rdy. [12:29]
jurov: no, i have. [12:29]
jurov: do you buy 38 ft? [12:30]
mircea_popescu: sure. [12:30]
mircea_popescu: 911891 – 38 * 1.5 * 5623 = 591380 [12:31]
mircea_popescu: oops [12:31]
mircea_popescu: 911891 – 39* 1.5 * 5623 = 582945.5 [12:32]
jurov: yes [12:33]
mircea_popescu: ty jurov [12:33]
jurov: thx, and the toolkits [12:33]
mircea_popescu: yup. [12:34]
jurov: good! [12:34]
mircea_popescu: also buying bms bps if anyone has. [12:35]
mircea_popescu: ideally 100k or some shit. [12:36]
jurov: wtf, bot insists it needs flotsam and boulder instead of slag [12:41]
jurov: oh derp, nm [12:42]
danielpbarron: jurov> danielpbarron: 300k os ik, ping me when you're on << ping [12:52]
jurov: come to town [12:53]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> aaaand the pss sup draft is broken, ima have to reset server << i noticed and mentioned this months ago.. [12:54]
mircea_popescu: sorry bout that. [12:59]
jurov: toolkits can't be stacked anymore? there's a bit of juice left i wanted to use [13:43]
mircea_popescu: not stackab;e anympre [14:32]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman btw how much would you charge to sell me stick claims on moss and mushroom ? [14:50]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you ever mine any of those shrooms ? selling ? [14:50]
diana_coman: uhm, kind of no idea how to price that really [14:52]
diana_coman: not even sure it makes a lot of sense to sell the claims as such – I tend to think it makes more sense to either sell exploring as a service or otherwise get the claims and get a noob to build them [14:53]
diana_coman: not really clear on all this at all, I'll say it upfront [14:54]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> danielpbarron you ever mine any of those shrooms ? selling ? << didn't have time last night; maybe will have tomorrow [14:55]
danielpbarron: once i try some of my ordinaries out i might have an idea of how to price them [14:56]
diana_coman: moljac, got an account yet? [14:56]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i being the noob [16:10]
diana_coman: uhm, are you really? what q do you get? I think daniel is more the noob on that now really [16:10]
diana_coman: or otherwise hanbot, jurov, mod6 [16:10]
mircea_popescu: i dunno like 130 [16:19]
mircea_popescu: aaaand my sticks come out q 41.3k [16:33]
mircea_popescu: what i'm going to do here is : i am not selling but trading a bundle of 34 chetty sticks, base value over 1.4mn, in exchange for the same market value of moss and mushrooms, provided the mushroom count is 34\% or more of the moss count. [16:35]
mircea_popescu: if that makes any sense. [16:35]
danielpbarron: what is the market value of shrooms and moss? [16:36]
mircea_popescu: i mean merchant, like you know q adjusted base value [16:37]
mircea_popescu: 700* 540*2.06 * 1.25 = 973350 [17:27]
jurov: bms done [17:34]
hanbot: mircea_popescu were you buying bct bps btw bbq? i have 7264 q74 [17:44]
mircea_popescu: trade me jurov. [17:45]
mircea_popescu: sure hanbot. say 55c each ? [17:45]
hanbot: works [17:45]
mircea_popescu: ready jurov [17:48]
mircea_popescu: ha checvk it out, q 100. he's the golden mean man! [17:48]
mircea_popescu: 131 * 1589 * 1.55 = 322646.45 [17:49]
mircea_popescu: 2.6k next time. [17:49]
jurov: heh ty [17:49]
mircea_popescu: ty! [17:50]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 7264 * 55 = 400k [17:57]
hanbot: ty. anyway the sad news is the stone & snails supps i tried earlier yielded nothing [17:59]
jurov: diana_coman: these small cdgs are waiting for someone? [18:12]
danielpbarron: hanbot> mircea_popescu were you buying bct bps btw bbq? i have 7264 q74 << i would also buy [18:25]
hanbot: danielpbarron all sold for now. i'll auction if i get more soon. [20:38]
mircea_popescu: 100 * 3780 * 1.45 = 548100 [21:05]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, can you make me 9 pointy clump of slag? [21:38]
danielpbarron: er, make that 14 ? [21:43]
danielpbarron: found some more keys [21:43]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron got oil ? [22:01]
danielpbarron: no [22:23]
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lobbes: shit [22:50]
danielpbarron: someone with low tinkering want to make me some leaky treebark flasks? jurov hanbot ? [22:50]
danielpbarron: i can sell the ingredients [22:51]
danielpbarron: also interested in some low quality boulders and moss [22:51]
danielpbarron: come to think of it, that doesn't help me get oil for my shaped slags [22:54]
danielpbarron: i need low quality oil [22:54]
mircea_popescu: i can sell you bottles, that's not the problem. gotta get some shrooms [22:54]
mircea_popescu: and i guess some moss. [22:55]
danielpbarron: i got shrooms [22:55]
mircea_popescu: so then buy my bottles make io ? [22:55]
danielpbarron: i want low quality bottles [22:55]
mircea_popescu: ah. [22:55]
danielpbarron: my shrooms are low quality [22:55]
danielpbarron: but that doesn't help make the oil i want [22:55]
danielpbarron: since the oil is for you to make shaped slag [22:56]
mircea_popescu: well ok but 1 ltf is 4k, 1 shroom is just 800 [22:56]
danielpbarron: and my oil would be undercraft for you [22:56]
danielpbarron: might as well pay less to have someone else make it [22:56]
mircea_popescu: what q are your shrooms ? [22:56]
danielpbarron: 93 [22:56]
mircea_popescu: got low sm to go with 'em ? [22:57]
danielpbarron: a little [22:57]
mircea_popescu: well then suppose i buy the lot and sell you [most of the] io back ? [22:57]
danielpbarron: still doesn't help me get the shaped slag [22:57]
mircea_popescu: i can add high q slag then you can make your own. [22:57]
danielpbarron: i need the shaped slag to build the ordinary shroom claims [22:57]
mircea_popescu: or wait, you want to mine with it ? [22:57]
mircea_popescu: ah [22:57]
mircea_popescu: so what do i care, i'll sell you shaped slag instead. [22:58]
mircea_popescu: i gotta do one step w/o OC, big whoop. not like it decays a tool [22:58]
danielpbarron: you have low oil and slag? [22:59]
mircea_popescu: no i meant, sell me shrooms and moss, i got my own low bottles, i can make high io and then go on with it make high shaped slag. [22:59]
danielpbarron: it's specifically pointy slag that i need [22:59]
danielpbarron: isn't that a waste? [23:00]
mircea_popescu: well, it's a waste if you want low shaped slag. if you want it high there's really no other way. [23:00]
danielpbarron: sure there's another way. just gotta get some noob to make the oil and slag [23:01]
mircea_popescu: yes, but the noob does what, buys high bottles, mixes them with low shrooms ? [23:01]
danielpbarron: i also have high shrooms [23:01]
mircea_popescu: ah [23:01]
danielpbarron: enough for this purpose [23:01]
mircea_popescu: so then buy my high bottles to go with your high shrooms and find a noob to dump the packages on. [23:02]
danielpbarron: i have high bottles already [23:02]
mircea_popescu: ah ok then! [23:02]
danielpbarron: so who has lower tinkering? [23:02]
mircea_popescu: lobbes, if he ever logs on lol [23:02]
mircea_popescu: or davout [23:02]
lobbes: ;/ [23:03]
danielpbarron: i'm not in a rush [23:03]
danielpbarron: ordinary claims stick around a while [23:03]
danielpbarron: i just cleaned out all my smalls and tinies thoug [23:03]
mircea_popescu: that they do. [23:03]
danielpbarron: got 100+ shrooms from a dozon claims or something [23:03]
danielpbarron: dozen even [23:03]
mircea_popescu: not so bad. [23:03]
mircea_popescu: btw, you wanna buy toolkits at 200k ? [23:03]
lobbes: needs to get eulora installed on his 'travel' lappie [23:03]
mircea_popescu: you traveling lobbes ? [23:04]
lobbes: every week for teh work [23:04]
lobbes: sadly, eulora is installed on my 'home' lappie. Gotta clear some space on this one [23:05]
mircea_popescu: noobs are in high demand atm. [23:06]
lobbes: I do love that about this game [23:06]
mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe one of these people coming in and leaving after 2 minutes figures out how things work one of these days. [23:06]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> btw, you wanna buy toolkits at 200k ? << no [23:06]
mircea_popescu: moar for me [23:07]
danielpbarron: i think i get 56 uses out of a toolkit; that's 3.5k per click not even including the cost of ingredients [23:07]
mircea_popescu: nah, these are 128k durability [23:08]
mircea_popescu: should be over 60 clicks [23:08]
danielpbarron: so 3.3k per click [23:08]
danielpbarron: bms at my quality adjusted base value is about that much [23:09]
mircea_popescu: guess so huh. [23:09]
danielpbarron: maybe that price comes down when i find a massive shroom haul [23:09]
mircea_popescu: looks around his storage for odds and ends. [23:10]
mircea_popescu: heh wouldn't you know it, got 3 flat and 4 sharp slag. no pointy. [23:10]
mircea_popescu: looks at auction where 100 imp hoes sold for almost 190\%, can't believe toolkits won't fetch 55\% [23:14]
lobbes: nice, thanks to jurov's spiffy installation package for windows, I got it running on this old craptop ;/ [23:41]
lobbes: mircea_popescu, I'll take those freebies off your hands when you're able [23:42]
lobbes: gonna run out real quick for a smoke [23:42]
danielpbarron: lobbes, craft some stuff for me? [23:55]
lobbes: danielpbarron: sure, I'm down [23:55]
lobbes: gotta see if I can remember how lol [23:56]
danielpbarron: there is a community table [23:56]
danielpbarron: and i have the ingredients [23:56]
mircea_popescu: o hey lobbes, [23:56]
danielpbarron: bah, i need high moss [23:58]
lobbes: sweet, my own cruddy hoe! [23:59]

November 10, 2015

#eulora Logs for 10 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: btw in the lulz of off by one errors : if you tell foxy bot to mine 16, it will mine 17 in a line. [03:04]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu btw in the lulz of off by one errors : if you tell foxy bot to mine 16, it will mine 17 in a line. <- oh [03:55]
diana_coman: will check that, lol [03:55]
diana_coman: I think I got why it's stuck on cooking too [03:55]
jurov: danielpbarron: there? [07:23]
diana_coman: jurov, do you have any low q grass for sale? [07:25]
jurov: only 90 pcs [07:25]
diana_coman: oww [07:25]
diana_coman: btw, did you get at least a ton of toothpaste bps? [07:26]
diana_coman: I'd buy some [07:26]
diana_coman: jurov ^ [07:29]
jurov: iirc less than 100 [07:30]
jurov: want them now? i'll be around whole day [07:30]
moljac: Hi Mircea, ' you here? [08:06]
jurov: hi moljac, are you registered in the wot? [08:08]
moljac: wot? don't think so [08:09]
moljac: world of tanks? :D [08:10]
moljac: i just want to make Eulora acc, to see how's goin' in there :) [08:10]
moljac: i need to have acc in web of trust? [08:13]
moljac: and by judging the looks of WoT site, i don't know also how to make ac there [08:14]
diana_coman: yes moljac, you need to get into the wot in order to get an account in eulora [08:36]
diana_coman: this link might help: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation [08:37]
lobbesbot: Title: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki] (at wiki.bitcoin-assets.com) [08:37]
diana_coman: jurov, are you still around? I'll buy the toothpaste bps [08:38]
moljac: Ty for info :) i'll try to manage somethin' out of it I guess [08:38]
diana_coman: it's not that hard and if you get stuck, just ask [08:38]
jurov: yes i'm here [09:24]
jurov: diana_coman: just 34 fp bps [10:39]
diana_coman: jurov that's ok, coming now to get them? [10:40]
jurov: yes [10:40]
diana_coman: on my way [10:40]
jurov: 2.5k each? [10:41]
diana_coman: what q are they? [10:41]
jurov: 93 [10:41]
diana_coman: I think I sold you 10 at 800 each and they were q above 140, no? [10:41]
jurov: uh i forgot [10:42]
jurov: 800, ok [10:42]
danielpbarron: oo, i'll brt too [10:42]
diana_coman: trade jurov [10:43]
jurov: and 90 cdg q 117 at 7.5k each? [10:43]
diana_coman: 7.5 k each cdg?? [10:43]
jurov: onoes [10:43]
jurov: 75 each, sry [10:43]
diana_coman: lol, kk [10:43]
diana_coman: 34k total, right? [10:44]
jurov: yes [10:44]
diana_coman: uhm, got change? [10:44]
diana_coman: thanks! [10:44]
jurov: yw :) [10:44]
diana_coman: need any more cft? [10:45]
danielpbarron: jurov, coming back? [10:46]
jurov: coming, just went to recycle keys [10:46]
jurov: diana_coman: not right now [10:47]
diana_coman: kk [10:47]
jurov: but will need in few days [10:47]
diana_coman: well, I plan to make more,but there is also a huge demand, so it would really be best if you got more grass [10:47]
jurov: kudos danielpbarron [10:47]
danielpbarron: and feel free to buy someone's high quality grass to make low quality cft, i'll buy to make bct [10:48]
jurov: danielpbarron: yes, going to work with mp's grass unless he has other orders [10:53]
danielpbarron: it might be better still for you to buy my cft and bct blueprints, and sell me the resulting bct [10:55]
danielpbarron: i've been thinking it might be a shame to waste my higher quality blueprints [10:55]
danielpbarron: even if i do have a large abundance [10:55]
danielpbarron: or buy my cft blueprints too [10:55]
danielpbarron: also probably higher quality than you have [10:56]
danielpbarron: tricky to use them though, since the loot contaminates the pile [10:56]
danielpbarron: someone should fix the craft bot to make it store loot on each click, and take a single blueprint out before clicking again [10:57]
diana_coman: ugh, is there such a demand for bct? [10:57]
danielpbarron: maybe not today [10:57]
mircea_popescu: o brother. [10:57]
diana_coman: please change it danielpbarron as you want it [10:57]
danielpbarron: just a thought [10:57]
mircea_popescu: so 2585 attempts bare handed, yielded 15 moss 4 shrooms 0 db [10:57]
diana_coman: it's not a "fix" but a change and the code is there for anyone to change it as they want it [10:57]
diana_coman: aha mircea_popescu: moonass phase [10:58]
jurov: wtf? i got more moss barehanded with 10 times less tries [10:58]
mircea_popescu: i get q 135, so thats like 4k for the mushroom, and i guess 3k for the moss ? [10:58]
jurov: moon phase, can be [10:58]
mircea_popescu: not even 10k satoshi. [10:58]
mircea_popescu: jurov i made it go across shroom and md, the sm is incidental. [10:59]
diana_coman: remembers one night during previous moonass phase when the bot mined the whole night and got…0 shrooms [10:59]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu do you still have any grass for sale? [10:59]
mircea_popescu: sure. [10:59]
diana_coman: also: I want to buy 200 shards and 500 goop high q if you have them [10:59]
diana_coman: great, I'll take all the grass at 25\% [11:00]
mircea_popescu: sure. [11:00]
diana_coman: and if needed I have some crumbly rock for sale [11:00]
mircea_popescu: what do you mean all ? it's a lot . [11:00]
diana_coman: how much is "a lot"? [11:00]
diana_coman: I went through 20k in a night and a bit [11:00]
diana_coman: so… [11:00]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, over 50k for sure. [11:00]
diana_coman: well, 50k is fine with me for sure [11:01]
mircea_popescu: aha alrighty, then meet in town in 15 minutes i'll piss grass all over you. [11:01]
diana_coman: it's like what, 3 nights …maybe [11:01]
diana_coman: lolz [11:01]
danielpbarron: could use 403 improbable oil [11:01]
diana_coman: + you said you wanted like 10k cft so that's 30k grass needed just for that anyway [11:01]
diana_coman: on my way to town [11:01]
diana_coman: danielpbarron shrooms are kind of missing again [11:02]
mircea_popescu: yeah i'd buy 10k shrooms on the spot. [11:03]
danielpbarron: oh huh, just realized i have all the ingredients to use all my ordinary shroom claims [11:04]
danielpbarron: 8/ [11:04]
diana_coman: 1200 crumbly rock at 178q, does anyone want it? [11:04]
danielpbarron: and should make for some ridiculous overcraft [11:04]
danielpbarron: how much? [11:05]
diana_coman: so go for it danielpbarron [11:05]
diana_coman: starting at 25\% on top of base value adjusted for q [11:05]
danielpbarron: ya i'll take [11:06]
diana_coman: 1200Ã\u009773Ã\u00971.78Ã\u00971.25 ~= 195k [11:07]
diana_coman: danielpbarron trade me [11:07]
diana_coman: lol, k [11:08]
diana_coman: thanks [11:08]
danielpbarron: ty [11:08]
danielpbarron: has a large collection of coin denominations in bank [11:08]
jurov: now i know where mine coins ended [11:09]
danielpbarron: so i could probably use my shroom claims myself, seeing as how my quality is 94 at the moment [11:09]
danielpbarron: something to try tonight, for now i must go [11:10]
mircea_popescu: ok diana ready fgor the biggest trade in the history of eulora ? [11:11]
diana_coman: ha ha, ready [11:11]
diana_coman: the grass exchange basically [11:11]
mircea_popescu: not justr [11:11]
diana_coman: ah, true [11:11]
diana_coman: coolness [11:11]
mircea_popescu: so : [11:12]
mircea_popescu: 500 * 2.05 * 470 * 1.25 + 200 * 2.06 * 454 * 1.25 + (9946 * 2.71 + 9999 * 2.43 + 9999 * 2.53 + 7891 * 2.65 + 9999 * 2.53 + 9999 * 2.53 + 9999 * 2.43) * 60 * 1.25 = 13762424.5 [11:14]
diana_coman: oh my, they are all different q [11:14]
mircea_popescu: yes but they don't mix. [11:14]
diana_coman: got change? [11:14]
mircea_popescu: ya sec [11:14]
jurov: is there anything left? [11:15]
diana_coman: hooray [11:15]
mircea_popescu: ty diana. you want some grass too jurov ? [11:15]
diana_coman: thank you [11:15]
jurov: yes [11:15]
mircea_popescu: how much ? [11:15]
jurov: about 2k [11:15]
jurov: or even 5k [11:15]
mircea_popescu: how about 4k! [11:15]
mircea_popescu: alright hit me [11:15]
mircea_popescu: 781488 = 4288×60×2.43×1.25 [11:17]
jurov: thanks. flotsam and adzes will be there in a while [11:18]
mircea_popescu: anyone else ? [11:18]
mircea_popescu: so that's 67832 to foxy 4288 to grundin and iirc 23k to grenadine, check me out i sold 100k grass this week! [11:19]
lobbes: mpgex: mircea popescu grass exchange [11:19]
mircea_popescu: lol [11:19]
mircea_popescu: lobbes just between you and me, i find it fucking fabulous how well this gyroscope of a game engine works. [11:19]
mircea_popescu: so for a while there, it looked kinda bleak for people crafting in the 140ish to say 200ish range, because meh. i made higher so why buy from them, and they made too high to sell for me. LITTLE DID ANYONE KNOW [11:20]
mircea_popescu: that it's not actually a stable situation, and as the grass q falls it won't be worth MY while to thread it. [11:20]
mircea_popescu: turns out ranges actually are dynamic in practice, not just in the theory in my head. [11:21]
diana_coman: I wonder though if there is the same instability with a much higher number of players, as I think now what happened is that on one hand you got quickly up in building (due to mining basics vs me mining rares) and on the other hand I and jurov got quickly up in sortage through crafting+mining [11:22]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman with more players the timefacrtor kicks in [11:22]
mircea_popescu: as it is i barely kept up with the lot of you for maybe 2 weeks there, crafting 100\%. [11:23]
mircea_popescu: if there was another determined miner ? i simply could not have. [11:23]
diana_coman: that makes sense [11:23]
diana_coman: and anyway daniel was not actually building so did not need thread [11:23]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 357048 = 4104×1.45×60 [11:26]
mircea_popescu: i did get 2 levels of gathering tho, so that's something. [11:30]
mircea_popescu: 2372 * 88 * 1.65 + 50000 = 394414.4 jurov [11:34]
jurov: don't have, 246k left [11:35]
mircea_popescu: dja know how to bank ? [11:35]
jurov: danielpbarron: do you have coins to exhcange for 1m? [11:36]
jurov: better pay you than that scumbag [11:36]
mircea_popescu: haha. gimme a sec ill do it [11:36]
mircea_popescu: jurov [11:37]
mircea_popescu: ty [11:38]
jurov: thanks. [11:38]
mircea_popescu: 394414.4 * 0.0005 = 200 satoshi he charged me. [11:38]
jurov: :/ [11:39]
mircea_popescu: so it's not that bad. [11:39]
jurov: don't bots go haywire with all these tables? [11:39]
mircea_popescu: not so far. [11:39]
diana_coman: is testing the new bot version which *locks* the id of the container to whatever was targeted when the craft command was given – that should prevent any troubles of this kind anyway; so far it's going very well [12:08]
jurov: danielpbarron: i have 1428 cft, q 102 [16:53]
danielpbarron: jurov, 300k coppers ok? [18:25]
hanbot: diana_coman wtb 17x eps tiny enums, 3x eps small enums, price me pls when you get a chance! [21:42]

November 9, 2015

#eulora Logs for 09 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: kk [00:05]
diana_coman: morning [03:06]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu I'd buy the grass, what's the price for it? [03:07]
jurov: mircea_popescu: 39 ft is ready [06:26]
diana_coman: jurov any significant (large/new bps) loot on that run? [06:38]
jurov: not anything large [06:42]
jurov: and i did not put down the items exactly [06:43]
jurov: iirc np,os,oe,odd [06:44]
jurov: more, ask for anything specific [06:44]
diana_coman: well, most needed/specific would be some double distillate bp [07:38]
jurov: i see only on wood distillate [08:00]
jurov: *one [08:01]
diana_coman: not that bad anyway, but it's really the double distillates that we are after [08:07]
jurov: anyone wants 1k cft q 89? best to exchange for high q cft [08:54]
diana_coman: jurov do you have any grass ? [09:10]
diana_coman: I'd gladly make cft for you if you have grass [09:10]
jurov: lol just processed all leftovers [09:10]
diana_coman: why oh why, lol [09:10]
jurov: ok, can mine some [09:11]
diana_coman: I'm out of grass pretty much [09:11]
diana_coman: please do [09:11]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman same 125 as usual. [09:29]
diana_coman: cool, I'll take it [09:29]
mircea_popescu: and ill take teh cft. [09:29]
diana_coman: which cft? [09:29]
mircea_popescu: <jurov> anyone wants 1k cft q 89? < [09:29]
diana_coman: oh that, ok [09:30]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman how much do you want ? [09:30]
mircea_popescu: o lol you panicked that ima want YOUR cft ? [09:30]
diana_coman: not panicked at all, just wanted to know [09:30]
diana_coman: fwiw I prefer to exchange my cft for yours [09:30]
diana_coman: so why would I panic, lol [09:31]
mircea_popescu: yes but imo it's a waste for me to atm craft anything lower than 290 or so for overcraft. [09:31]
diana_coman: uhm, that kind of limits your overcraft to basic resources, doesn't it? [09:31]
mircea_popescu: yes. [09:31]
diana_coman: I'll take 20k grass [09:33]
mircea_popescu: trade me diana_coman [09:34]
mircea_popescu: 1.686 this batch [09:35]
diana_coman: can we make the total sum and I pay it then? [09:35]
mircea_popescu: ok. [09:36]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman again [09:36]
mircea_popescu: 1.801 [09:37]
mircea_popescu: good enough ? [09:37]
mircea_popescu: or you want another batch [09:37]
diana_coman: guess it will do [09:37]
diana_coman: so 3.487 [09:38]
mircea_popescu: 3.487 [09:38]
mircea_popescu: danke. [09:39]
diana_coman: thanks [09:39]
mircea_popescu: from experience should keep you crafting a coupla nights i tihnk\ [09:39]
diana_coman: that's good as otherwise the explore keeps getting stuck for some reason on mangled messages [09:39]
diana_coman: it's driving me nuts [09:39]
mircea_popescu: wow ? [09:39]
mircea_popescu: this NEVER happened to me, ever. [09:39]
diana_coman: I think it's a connection thing [09:39]
diana_coman: but why does it happen at night only [09:40]
mircea_popescu: jurov you around ? [09:40]
diana_coman: basically at some point (usually half an hour to 1 hr after I go to sleep), the enum doesn't make it in inventory on time [09:40]
diana_coman: it's kind of lagging [09:40]
diana_coman: guess I'll have to hack it again and have it try everything a few times to give it some resilience to this kind of shit [09:41]
mircea_popescu: interesting, it's somehow a problem i never had [09:42]
diana_coman: btw, anyone wants 1k IBS 156q ? [09:42]
mircea_popescu: if you take 125 [09:42]
diana_coman: this really seems to be a connection problem somehow [09:42]
mircea_popescu: aaaand back to the grass mines. [09:43]
diana_coman: you mean 1.25*1.56*255*1k? sure [09:43]
mircea_popescu: a ok [09:43]
diana_coman: ? [09:43]
mircea_popescu: im taking it. [09:44]
diana_coman: kk, give me 2 minutes to take it out [09:44]
diana_coman: thanks [09:46]
mircea_popescu: danke [09:46]
diana_coman: any lbn for sale? [09:46]
mircea_popescu: nah, haven't been working my table as i figured maybe more suplication work is needed. [09:47]
mircea_popescu: ima just eat the auction bundle myself. [09:47]
diana_coman: ha, greedy [09:47]
diana_coman: :p [09:47]
mircea_popescu: well… nobody wanted it! [09:47]
diana_coman: what? [09:47]
diana_coman: I wanted it but it was never offered ! [09:48]
mircea_popescu: well, i guess that's not exact. was gonna auction it after event, but as we didn't hold event i didn't auction it, and since now i gotta decide what to do with the released lbn… best use it! [09:48]
diana_coman: lol, ftr I can't quite see a time when I will NOT want lbn [09:50]
diana_coman: guess I'll just get back to shredding though, no option [09:50]
mircea_popescu: that's how i get it also. [09:50]
diana_coman: yes, but you get higher q [09:51]
diana_coman: that's why I prefer yours, that's all [09:51]
mircea_popescu: the mollusc news has definitely seized up the lbn market tho. [09:51]
mircea_popescu: because w/o mollusc no screens. [09:51]
diana_coman: oh, what got out of that in the end? [09:51]
mircea_popescu: iirc she did like 3-4 clicks, for something like n-1 items resulting. [09:51]
mircea_popescu: making each mollusc cost somewhere beteeen 20 and 200k. making in turn each screens cost somewhere between 1.3 and 4 mn [09:52]
mircea_popescu: making in turn each lbn cost something like… 50 to 150 c [09:52]
diana_coman: I see [09:52]
mircea_popescu: who knew life is this sad w/o molluscs [09:53]
diana_coman: yet another place for noobs to make some money simply by collecting keys from claims or what [09:53]
mircea_popescu: that was definitely the idea. [09:53]
mircea_popescu: esp nice your bot implementation. but yes, noobs can make some satoshi for as long as they're willing to click claims [09:53]
mircea_popescu: obviously, they prefer to sit around "faucets" atm, but word eventually has to get out. [09:54]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2015#1320575 << word. [09:54]
lobbesbot: Title: #bitcoin-assets log (at log.bitcoin-assets.com) [09:54]
diana_coman: it seems that the wot/gpg part is more than they are willing to do so far [09:54]
mircea_popescu: oops [09:54]
mircea_popescu: yeah, why be in crypto if you're gonna be in crypto. [09:55]
mircea_popescu: i imagine you remember the times romanians regarded romanian-ness as this culture of the halfass effort. [09:55]
mircea_popescu: but honestly, the 1980s got NOTHING over america&friends. [09:55]
hanbot: spawns in foxy's craft-table, can't move or unstick, is apparently now a lvl 1 piece of furniture [13:07]
diana_coman: ouch hanbot, need me to move a bit? [13:07]
mircea_popescu: lmao [13:07]
diana_coman: jump maybe? [13:07]
mircea_popescu: or crawl ? [13:08]
hanbot: no jumping allowed! [13:08]
hanbot: i'ma relog [13:08]
diana_coman: ha ha, ok, lemme pause this and move a bit [13:08]
diana_coman: there, table out of the way [13:08]
diana_coman: hanbot [13:08]
mircea_popescu: and grass is at 244 [13:09]
diana_coman: just like the one I have! [13:09]
mircea_popescu: iirc i sold you 249 and 245 [13:09]
diana_coman: uhm, I have 244 here … [13:09]
diana_coman: from yours [13:09]
diana_coman: did not mix it as far as I know [13:10]
mircea_popescu: i must ghave fucked up the mixing then [13:10]
hanbot: tyvm! [13:10]
diana_coman: yw hanbot [13:10]
mircea_popescu: btw hanbot tried any other sups than leather ? [13:10]
diana_coman: at least one other should actually give tlc [13:11]
diana_coman: and another one pacademia nuts [13:11]
mircea_popescu: ahh the wiki is such a pleasure to read now. [13:12]
diana_coman: anyway, I'm sure that the q of groceries and others is basically going down as we speak (and as your grass q is going up again) [13:12]
mircea_popescu: nah grass is 243 [13:13]
jurov: if anyone is interested, i added msDelay to xmacroplay, and ability to record delays to xmacrorec2 [13:13]
hanbot: mircea_popescu yeah. i have some pacademia nut, and some shed snakeskin :) [13:13]
mircea_popescu: jurov not bad [13:13]
mircea_popescu: o wow ss ? that wasn't found was it ? [13:13]
jurov: tried to make a macro to drag heavy stuff, it isn't adequate tho [13:13]
hanbot: not afaik [13:13]
mircea_popescu: jurov wouldn't it be better to patch foxy's bot ? [13:13]
diana_coman: ooo, shed snakeskins? what do you want for those? [13:13]
diana_coman: what q? [13:13]
mircea_popescu: hanbot have you tried all of them ? [13:13]
jurov: yes, but that would take me much longer [13:14]
diana_coman: and yes, ss is not yet found [13:14]
hanbot: mircea_popescu have not tried all! [13:14]
mircea_popescu: jurov i guess if you make drag work you can prolly sell it to danielpbarron [13:14]
mircea_popescu: hanbot you probably should just so we know what each gives. [13:14]
hanbot: i will do some moar today, hopefully whatever hex was on me the day i was getting 1 item/per has passed [13:14]
diana_coman: is doubtful that the number of items*q is really just a luck thing [13:15]
hanbot: diana_coman not sure off the top of my head, will look at storage when back from mining (something like 160) [13:15]
diana_coman: still better than whatever ss I have, I'd buy those if you sell them [13:16]
hanbot: diana_coman i'll most likely be auctioning them (and the nuts, and w/e else) sunday [13:16]
diana_coman: cool; nuts are found though, so I'm not really interested in them, I might even have some for sale actually [13:17]
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> nah grass is 243 <- you just said 244 a minute earlier…. <mircea_popescu> and grass is at 244 [13:24]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [13:28]
danielpbarron: jurov> anyone wants 1k cft q 89? best to exchange for high q cft << me! [14:30]
danielpbarron: ah too late? [14:30]
jurov: danielpbarron: are you online? [14:30]
danielpbarron: you guys move too fast [14:30]
jurov: no, not late :) [14:30]
jurov: do you have high cft or only coppers? [14:32]
danielpbarron: i have cft [14:35]
danielpbarron: coming to town [14:35]
danielpbarron: well what is "high" [14:37]
danielpbarron: higher than yours [14:37]
jurov: > 150 [14:37]
danielpbarron: ya [14:37]
danielpbarron: 165 [14:37]
jurov: good, how much do you price the difference? [14:39]
jurov: 150 /cft is ok? [14:40]
danielpbarron: ya [14:44]
danielpbarron: so you just want copper for the thread? [14:45]
jurov: you wanted to exchange it 1:1 [14:45]
jurov: ? [14:45]
jurov: fine then [14:45]
jurov: if you aren't ready, i'm going afk for a ~hour [14:46]
danielpbarron: i'm ready, and i'll do it for 150 copper per, or 400 of my thread for your 10k [14:47]
danielpbarron: er, 1k [14:47]
jurov: i'll give you coppers [14:47]
danielpbarron: huh? [14:47]
danielpbarron: you are selling to me right? [14:47]
jurov: trade me, you'll see [14:48]
danielpbarron: why are you giving me the thread and the copper? [14:48]
danielpbarron: i might have misunderstood what you were offeing [14:49]
jurov: to exchange for 1k of your thread [14:49]
danielpbarron: ah [14:49]
danielpbarron: yeah i guess that works [14:50]
danielpbarron: you had it right first time [14:50]
danielpbarron: 15 of the 2nd largest coin [14:50]
jurov: lol i suck at the coins [14:50]
danielpbarron: i'll go get my thread after [14:50]
jurov: ok, brb [14:51]
mircea_popescu: is still selling grass [14:51]
danielpbarron: jurov, i mean after the trade.. [14:51]
jurov: gotta run, you'll be there in a hour? [14:52]
danielpbarron: i'll be around tonight [14:52]
danielpbarron: idk about an hour [14:52]
jurov: *shrug* whenever. ppl start trading exactly when i am going somewhere [14:53]
mircea_popescu: i'll be around for a while, on and off. [14:54]
danielpbarron: arg, i suck at this math. will honor agreement but damn i think i'm losing money on this [15:00]
mircea_popescu: is it ? [15:16]
jurov: danielpbarron: am back [16:27]
mircea_popescu: hanbot : (9030 * 2.68 + 9030* 2.7) * 60 * 1.25 + 207 * 2.01* 540 * 1.25 – 1018 * 1.43 * 255 = 3553238.55 [17:07]
hanbot: less the ibs? [17:07]
hanbot: oic [17:07]
mircea_popescu: aha. [17:08]
hanbot: ty! [17:09]
mircea_popescu: hmm jurov was i getting some ft ? slag ? something ? [17:10]
mircea_popescu: incidentally hanbot you need more supps made ? else ima grind down the table and que sera sera. [17:13]
mircea_popescu: ha, first tiny, 17 grass! [17:14]
jurov: mircea_popescu: i am mining flotsam, but went out of cft [17:15]
mircea_popescu: tsk. [17:15]
hanbot: mircea_popescu yes. any, all. [17:15]
mircea_popescu: hanbot ok then i'll hold it. we'll be out of little bits altogether at this rate tho, unless somehow molluscs are found. [17:16]
mircea_popescu: im literally grinding down the last 800 [17:16]
hanbot: ouches. how many dm to a screen again? [17:16]
mircea_popescu: 15 [17:16]
hanbot: alright, so prioritize leather supplications. [17:17]
mircea_popescu: but seriously, first of all try at least one of each type so we know what they do. [17:17]
mircea_popescu: mno. [17:17]
mircea_popescu: jurov so you be selling me a pile of flotsams then ? [17:21]
jurov: yes [17:21]
mircea_popescu: am i coming to town ? [17:21]
jurov: i have only 1k fl so far [17:23]
jurov: and 7 adzes to go [17:23]
mircea_popescu: aha ok. [17:24]
mircea_popescu: i sold diana a pile of grass, and danielpbarron said he had enough. you'll have to buy cft from either of them [17:24]
mircea_popescu: the economics shifted and i can't make anymore [17:25]
danielpbarron: i'm not using my grass [17:27]
danielpbarron: i'll make threads with low quality grass [17:27]
danielpbarron: if i ever find some [17:27]
mircea_popescu: so buy some from me, cft it and sell it ? [17:30]
diana_coman: anyone needs cft before I go to sleep? [17:39]
diana_coman: 160q [17:40]
diana_coman: jurov? [17:40]
jurov: okay [17:40]
jurov: how much? [17:40]
jurov: and price? [17:40]
diana_coman: 25\% on base value adjusted for q [17:41]
diana_coman: 500 cft? [17:41]
jurov: okay [17:42]
diana_coman: so 500*180*1.60*1.25 [17:42]
jurov: logging in… [17:42]
diana_coman: kk, trade me when you are in [17:43]
jurov: comes out 180k [17:43]
diana_coman: yes [17:43]
jurov: tyvm [17:44]
diana_coman: np [17:44]
diana_coman: and I'll still buy any low q grass you have [17:44]
diana_coman: did you get any? [17:44]
jurov: gave all to dpb [17:44]
diana_coman: ugh, why [17:44]
diana_coman: lol [17:44]
jurov: can make more anytime [17:44]
diana_coman: please do [17:44]
jurov: btw, i mine at 110-120 currently [17:45]
jurov: so not very low q anymore [17:46]
diana_coman: that's fine, still lower than mine [17:46]
diana_coman: I get it at least 180 which is anyway above my crafting level… [17:46]
diana_coman: so technically I'd still overcraft with mine [17:46]
jurov: but currently i'm off to flotsam, you can buy grass from mircea, no? [17:46]
diana_coman: well, I can, at long as he has + that is overcraft [17:46]
diana_coman: which is nice, but I'll soon probably hit the storage limit trouble on those bps that grass gives [17:47]
diana_coman: so… [17:47]
diana_coman: + while overcrafting I practically trade money for xp; I wouldn't mind *at all* to do the opposite trade for once, lol [17:48]
jurov: aren't bps used to shredding or such? [17:48]
diana_coman: not in such quantities [17:48]
jurov: lol [17:48]
jurov: to each their own, i guess. i recently first time overcrafted using my own stuff, felt very good. [17:49]
diana_coman: precisely, that's the other thing [17:49]
diana_coman: I can just as well overcraft with my grass soon enough (while I make thread now my sortage basically raises) [17:49]
mircea_popescu: ohohoh, another 25k grtass [19:36]
mircea_popescu: and it's now down to 239 for me. [19:49]
danielpbarron: jurov> gave all to dpb << no you gave me threads; i would rather have your low quality grass [20:53]
danielpbarron: jurov> btw, i mine at 110-120 currently << eh i might still want; will have to crunch numbers [20:54]
danielpbarron: i would buy more of your cft though [20:54]
danielpbarron: i build at under 100 now [20:56]
danielpbarron: on non-basics [20:56]
mircea_popescu: i wonder if that is a good thing. [21:23]
danielpbarron: getting to the point i can build my own shroom smalls for lots of loot i suppose [21:34]
danielpbarron: haven't tested [21:34]
mircea_popescu: should be interresting. [21:37]
mircea_popescu: i definitely want morer shrooms [21:38]
hanbot: so i suppose this should be wikified, but for now: supps of leather yield dm; mosses, ss; berries, tlc; thorns, pn [22:43]
hanbot: murky delights and mysterious rocks have yielded no unexpected loot. i imagine idem small sparkles. [22:44]
hanbot: and i haven't tried supp of snails yet given i have only drafts [22:44]
mircea_popescu: one's missing [22:44]
mircea_popescu: weren't they 6 [22:44]
mircea_popescu: ? [22:44]
hanbot: yeah, stones. same with snails: have drafts, not supps [22:48]
hanbot: i do have the ingredients for the stones supp tho, unlike snails, just need screens (or ideally you, for clickear-ing) [22:50]
moljac: how and where can i make Eulora acc? [22:58]
hanbot: someone get quickdraw there a pistol [23:04]
mircea_popescu: lol that was quick [23:28]
mircea_popescu: yeah i could make you snal/stone sups if someone sold me tiny/small enums [23:28]

November 8, 2015

#eulora Logs for 08 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
diana_coman: nice work hanbot, thank you [07:55]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu do you have my gin? or does that go into what is needed for SO? [07:56]
diana_coman: also: do you have any ppb? [07:57]
danielpbarron: can't attend event today [08:11]
mircea_popescu: Nov 06 23:13:51 <mircea_popescu> diana_coman your gin's ready. want it ? <<< [08:33]
diana_coman: yes mircea_popescu, coming for it [08:34]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron & everyone : should i delay it for next week ? [08:34]
diana_coman: I'm fine either way, tbh I don't think I have much interest in the event itself [08:34]
mircea_popescu: aww! [08:34]
diana_coman: ftr: magical dungbeetles are consistently 3/chetty stick, do the Maths [08:35]
diana_coman: same for lh, 2 for tlc [08:35]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so i got 49 q207, 49 q208 [08:36]
mircea_popescu: you want them mixed or separate ? [08:36]
diana_coman: the above on a data set of 20 sticks for tlc, though only 10 for lh [08:36]
diana_coman: mix them, one point will not make a huge diff [08:36]
mircea_popescu: i think i'm willing to pay 20\% of what a dataset of 10 points says the cost is. [08:37]
diana_coman: lol [08:37]
diana_coman: how was it that the mollusc is not economically feasible? [08:37]
mircea_popescu: 22k one ? [08:37]
mircea_popescu: (not even counting altar decay) [08:38]
diana_coman: yeah, this gives tlc at 10k one min [08:38]
diana_coman: btw re events: the hour now is *perfect* for me, love it, thank you [08:39]
mircea_popescu: so if i pay 22k/dm that's 110k EXTRA per cheese [08:39]
mircea_popescu: ie, 500\% [08:39]
diana_coman: sucks [08:39]
diana_coman: iirc the gin was made with my tlc at 25\% price etc; don't recall: was there anything specific we agreed I should make with it afterwards or is it mine to do whatever I want with it? [08:40]
mircea_popescu: same 20\% applies there, you know, i guess i'd be willing to do 4 maybe even 5k for a mollusc [08:40]
mircea_popescu: 98 * 2.07 * 7524 * 1.25 = 1907898.3 [08:40]
mircea_popescu: iirc we're even from the past. [08:41]
diana_coman: got change? [08:41]
mircea_popescu: aye [08:41]
diana_coman: thank you [08:41]
diana_coman: any ppb? [08:41]
mircea_popescu: thanks for using the Boiling Bumpot services! [08:41]
mircea_popescu: i got the ppb you sold me ? [08:42]
diana_coman: ha ha [08:42]
mircea_popescu: or what ? [08:42]
diana_coman: uhm, no, meant high q [08:42]
diana_coman: I'd basically buy any high q ppb + toothpaste packages you make [08:42]
mircea_popescu: alrighty… but nobody's sold me any sb [08:42]
diana_coman: sigh [08:42]
diana_coman: kk [08:42]
mircea_popescu: i can make a ton of ft, obviously. [08:42]
diana_coman: well, not much good without the ppb [08:42]
mircea_popescu: speaking of, do you have low ft for me ? [08:43]
diana_coman: geez, didn't jurov make it yest? [08:43]
diana_coman: I've set him up with everything he needed for the 34 [08:43]
diana_coman: you were there! [08:43]
diana_coman: lolz [08:43]
diana_coman: what happened? [08:43]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe he had some stuff to do irl [08:44]
diana_coman: well, it's in his hands now as my toothpaste is too high q [08:45]
diana_coman: and not enough high q at the same time [08:45]
diana_coman: in other words it sucks [08:45]
diana_coman: ah, do you have 10 high q shaped slag (10 of each)? [08:46]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu ^ [08:51]
mircea_popescu: lol. [08:53]
mircea_popescu: i will require : 150 slag ; 30 oil (or 30 lft / 30 mushroom / 60 boulder / 90 moss) [08:54]
diana_coman: I have the slag, not the oil [08:54]
mircea_popescu: aha. [08:54]
diana_coman: mhm, could do the lft though, mmhm [08:55]
diana_coman: so basically: is there now a lack of pretty much *every* resource?? [08:57]
diana_coman: because from what I see so far: no wm, no tlc, no md, no lh, no moss, no grass, no boulders even from above [08:57]
diana_coman: is that true? [08:57]
mircea_popescu: apparently, deflation seized up the market. [09:00]
mircea_popescu: hm. actually, it seems to be driven more by price increases… it's an odd thing. [09:01]
diana_coman: from a farmer's perspective otherwise I'd note that it is basically "winter" – or moonass phase possibly – in any case, the phase of the moon when resources are very hard to find [09:03]
mircea_popescu: moonass lol [09:04]
diana_coman: mhm, on wm front: 4 sticks giving consistently 4 shrooms each, then 5th stick gives 11 [09:27]
mircea_popescu: pretty bad huh. [11:40]
mircea_popescu: holy shit i got 33k grass. [11:41]
mircea_popescu: we're down to q 252 [11:41]
mircea_popescu: 0.05 BTC. [12:06]
diana_coman: wow, that should at least sort the grass trouble, congratulations [12:55]
mircea_popescu: except i don't wanna process it ;/ [12:57]
mircea_popescu: but getting q246 now [12:57]
diana_coman: 6 points down, ouch [13:16]
mircea_popescu: i think what i'll do this auction is, offer grass. [13:19]
mircea_popescu: breathe new life into the "not high enough not low enough" crafter. [13:20]
diana_coman: I seem to craft at 158 now, so guess that should be kind of ok [13:22]
mircea_popescu: o hey another 6k from a small [16:13]
mod6: oh crap. did i miss the auction? [16:18]
mircea_popescu: mod6 well, nobody was really interested in the event so it was kinda… quiet. [16:19]
mircea_popescu: mebbe next week i guess. [16:19]
jurov: i told you will be afk [16:21]
mircea_popescu: yeh. [16:21]
mod6: ah. ok sorry, have been working on getting the new version of V out today… [16:21]
mod6: about to post actually. [16:21]
mircea_popescu: tis just a game, dun sweat it, no end of sundays in sight. [16:21]
mod6: haha. [16:21]
mod6: didn't the French actually change the calandar completely after the revolution? [16:22]
mod6: like getting rid of sundays and all kinds of traditional holidays? [16:22]
mod6: went to like a different numbered work-week and everything iirc. [16:22]
mod6: but yeah, i look foward to the sunday auctions! [16:23]
jurov: anyway, i got no idea for an useful wish without very dangerous negation [16:23]
jurov: and someone'd have to sell me the token [16:23]
mircea_popescu: sort-of, yeah [16:23]
mircea_popescu: fructidor sounds kinda cool i always thought [16:23]
jurov: i can confirm, bot does not train cooling at all [16:44]
jurov: cooking [16:44]
mircea_popescu: aha! [16:59]
danielpbarron: jurov> and someone'd have to sell me the token << i have tokens for sale : 1 million a pop [21:08]
Perefim_: Hello [21:23]
danielpbarron: hello [21:23]
Perefim_: A friend of mine from entropia said the dev's here are looking for a professional 3D modeler? [21:24]
danielpbarron: Perefim_, do you know how to gpg? [21:24]
Perefim_: I needthe full name of that, not familiar with the acronym gpg [21:25]
danielpbarron: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/gpg [21:25]
lobbesbot: Title: gpg [bitcoin assets wiki] (at wiki.bitcoin-assets.com) [21:26]
Perefim_: No sorry I am not a programmer I do 3D models [21:26]
Perefim_: I handle the visual side of games. [21:26]
danielpbarron: i don't know if a 3d modeler is needed ( mircea_popescu can answer that one ) but i'm sure he'd prefer if you were first registered in the WoT before proceeding [21:26]
Perefim_: What is the WoT? [21:27]
danielpbarron: the "Web of Trust" [21:27]
danielpbarron: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation [21:28]
lobbesbot: Title: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki] (at wiki.bitcoin-assets.com) [21:28]
Perefim_: kk I will check it out, can you have mircea email me @ cody.rauh@gmail.com [21:28]
danielpbarron: no [21:28]
danielpbarron: you can idle here or in #bitcoin-assets, or check back later or something [21:29]
Perefim_: Well when is he generally available? [21:29]
danielpbarron: daily usually [21:29]
danielpbarron: i think it's not uncommon for him to be active around this time [21:30]
Perefim_: kk I will just idle till available again then. [21:30]
Perefim_: Mircea you back yet? [22:38]
mircea_popescu: Perefim_ here i am [23:06]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron btw you wanna buy some q250+ grass ? [23:07]
Perefim_: Hello mircea, Creator of Ped told me you are looking for a 3D modeler [23:07]
mircea_popescu: yeah, lotta work to do if your prices are reasonable. [23:07]
Perefim_: Absolutely here is my gallery http://boxofpolygons.com/stuff/ [23:08]
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the game at all ? [23:09]
Perefim_: only what little I read. [23:09]
mircea_popescu: ah. easiest way would be to get it running, then much easier for me to explain / for you to understandf what's wanted. [23:09]
mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of install guides on the wiki for pretty much all platforms [23:10]
Perefim_: All I know is that you need some 3D models. [23:10]
mircea_popescu: Original item ads for SL << what's sl ? [23:10]
Perefim_: second life [23:10]
Perefim_: done some work in there and for indie titles [23:10]
mircea_popescu: ah [23:10]
Perefim_: you needing props, weapons, what specifically? [23:13]
mircea_popescu: rigfht off i'd like to start with PC [23:13]
mircea_popescu: prolly make me a girl first to try the whole thing out [23:13]
mircea_popescu: eulora is built on crystal space, and depends on blender files. you ever worked with either ? [23:14]
Perefim_: Honestly I try to not do character work if I can, it would be expensive for you if I did cause time involved. [23:14]
Perefim_: yes I can work in blender and make files dependable to that software [23:14]
mircea_popescu: hm. truth is, pcs and npcs prolly most needed, in that order. [23:14]
Perefim_: Well can you tell me what quality you are looking for [23:16]
Perefim_: some ref images [23:16]
mircea_popescu: kinda why i suggested loading the game, it'd give you a pretty good idea of what's there already. [23:16]
Perefim_: seen screenshots [23:17]
mircea_popescu: but in general, elegant fantasy, i don't really like the wow cartoonish look [23:17]
Perefim_: kk well whatever i provide will definitely be a bump up from your current. [23:18]
mircea_popescu: i would expect so :) [23:18]
mircea_popescu: these were actually made by a coder. [23:18]
Perefim_: what is the price range you want per character? [23:18]
mircea_popescu: is this gonna be a fully rigged / animated thing, with the sections specified for clothing etc ? [23:20]
Perefim_: I just do modeling, so you would have to hire an animator for that. [23:20]
mircea_popescu: oh. [23:20]
Perefim_: That is why I do primarily weapons, UI element art, Buildings, etc. [23:21]
mircea_popescu: i see. [23:21]
Perefim_: I can do characters, but I don't rig/animate [23:21]
mircea_popescu: nah, listen, if i'm going to pay for creation de novo, i want someone who is actulaly dedicated to the game and does the whole thing through. if i have to hire an animator for that etc it's cheaper to just buy a library, and i mean cheaper by a massive factor. [23:22]
Perefim_: you realize that characters in AAA industry are made by specialist in each section right? [23:22]
Perefim_: it takes generally a team of people to make a character like "last of us". [23:22]
mircea_popescu: miserable roi. i have no intention to compete with the "aaa" on their terms in their field. [23:23]
Perefim_: can you give me some images of what you are looking to have done.. level of quality? [23:23]
mircea_popescu: honestly, not really, because i don't start from that and move down, i go the other way around. make something that'd make you proud, basically. [23:24]
Perefim_: So you have no art style picked out? [23:24]
mircea_popescu: not much more than "don't make it look cartoonish-dumb". lot of leeway for artist. [23:24]
Perefim_: I can make it look good but don't like taking random shots in the dark as to what you may or may not like. [23:25]
Perefim_: what is your character budget for something fully complete and animated? [23:26]
Perefim_: cause I know animators and the such but they charge their fees [23:26]
mircea_popescu: yeah, listen, this is not really a good fit at all. i get what you do, good for you, but it's not really what i need. [23:27]
Perefim_: So basically you don't know shit about how the game industry works and now you have passed judgement without even giving me one detail. [23:28]
Perefim_: cool, bye [23:28]
mircea_popescu: why the heck is it that marginal/hanger ons of "industry" spend their time/effort trying to make indies wasteful and stupid like "the aaa" ? [23:29]
mircea_popescu: wake up people. fuck ea/vivendi/whoever, that's why games suck. [23:29]
mircea_popescu: "oh i'm an artist that aspires to one day be an office drone for a large faceless corporation" [23:30]
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this dumb shit. [23:30]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> danielpbarron btw you wanna buy some q250+ grass ? << still got a sizeable pile of electron grass to chew on [23:44]

November 7, 2015

#eulora Logs for 07 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: so i'm trying to find nt. so far found exactly nothing in n triesa at both -400 -400 and some wwb at -400 300 [00:22]
diana_coman: you might be hitting on the tlc spot maybe [02:08]
diana_coman: 308 -340 and around more like it [02:10]
diana_coman: actually what the hell are you doing at -400 -400? lol [02:10]
diana_coman: OR -400 300 [02:11]
diana_coman: tubers are not there, yeah [02:11]
diana_coman: no surprise, lol [02:11]
mircea_popescu: its on the map [02:19]
mircea_popescu: orange line bottom left say [02:19]
mircea_popescu: anyway, i went for grass. [02:19]
diana_coman: no, that is pss lol [02:25]
diana_coman: orange yes, but squares [02:25]
mircea_popescu: meh [02:26]
mircea_popescu: those colors are a nightmare, i got the match trhough computerized color picking [02:26]
mircea_popescu: if compuer can't tell them apart there's trouble. [02:26]
diana_coman: that's why I used different symbols [02:26]
diana_coman: because the colours are not enough basically [02:26]
mircea_popescu: what symbols ? [02:26]
mircea_popescu: i dun see nothing but x [02:26]
diana_coman: ugh, what map are you looking at? lol [02:27]
diana_coman: http://www.dianacoman.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/eulora_map19Oct2015.png [02:27]
diana_coman: the second one in my post at http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/10/13/hic-sunt-flotsams-on-eulora-or-the-brand-new-foxymaps/ [02:27]
mircea_popescu: the one from my artickle. [02:27]
diana_coman: I DID say even on your article that it was an old version with some problems, lol [02:28]
diana_coman: use the newer one… [02:28]
diana_coman: it's been there for ages too, lol [02:28]
mircea_popescu: why all the hinting anyway [02:28]
diana_coman: what hinting? [02:28]
mircea_popescu: hollow figures, etc. [02:28]
diana_coman: it's just symbols in order from the list that gnuplot has [02:29]
mircea_popescu: hinting. ie, when instead of a solid color with neat borders, there's this bs degrade [02:29]
diana_coman: just gave it the numbers, did not start now searching for that or the other [02:29]
mircea_popescu: anyway, i have nfi where nt are. [02:29]
diana_coman: I gave you the coords a bit earlier, lol [02:29]
diana_coman: look bottom right [02:29]
diana_coman: there's a patch of yellow [02:29]
diana_coman: in it there is orange [02:30]
diana_coman: and some green (that's the tlc) [02:30]
diana_coman: around 300 [02:30]
mircea_popescu: can't really spot any upside red triangles in there, so i'ma lazily assume it doesn't exist in reasonable size [02:30]
mircea_popescu: oh in that yellow patch ? [02:30]
mircea_popescu: so a spot among some ae around 310 -350 ? [02:31]
mircea_popescu: or -350 310 [02:31]
diana_coman: yes [02:35]
mircea_popescu: aite let's give this a try then\ [02:36]
mircea_popescu: of course… yes which ? [02:37]
mircea_popescu: nope, wwb again [02:39]
mircea_popescu: meh, both were utter duds\ [02:45]
mircea_popescu: one has wwb, the other tpt [02:45]
mircea_popescu: gives up this stupid shit goes back to grass. [02:46]
diana_coman: … [02:55]
diana_coman: np, will sell you tubers I suppose [02:55]
diana_coman: <diana_coman> 308 -340 and around more like it [02:56]
mircea_popescu: nope nothing there. [02:56]
diana_coman: ugh [02:57]
danielpbarron: the tubers spot is hard to hit [07:56]
danielpbarron: it's on a steep hill [07:56]
danielpbarron: and quite small [07:56]
danielpbarron: but it hits like any other basic once you're in the right spot [07:56]
danielpbarron: ie, at 90\%+ success rate [07:56]
danielpbarron: if you were hitting berries, you were pretty close [07:57]
diana_coman: uhm, it happens I just finally got to go there and I hit and I got…tubers [08:31]
diana_coman: really [08:32]
jurov: mircea_popescu: 711 slag of 98q done [08:48]
diana_coman: jurov, what's your tinkering level? [08:51]
diana_coman: want to do some samovar runs maybe you get the double distillates bps? [08:51]
jurov: 166 tinkering, 44 sortage [08:51]
diana_coman: sortage shouldn't count [08:51]
jurov: and 1 cooking [08:52]
diana_coman: tinkering is in any case "better" than mine for this [08:52]
jurov: okay, you're in town? [08:52]
diana_coman: well, we need the gin from mp [08:52]
jurov: well. he needs me to mine 50k flotsam anyway… [08:53]
diana_coman: oh wow, that's a load of flotsam [08:53]
jurov: um i forgot. amd almost out of cft [08:53]
jurov: *am [08:53]
diana_coman: ha ha, join the club [08:53]
diana_coman: it seems that cft is now in fact a much bigger bottleneck than anything else [08:54]
diana_coman: and basically it will get worse now that we all have sortage [08:54]
diana_coman: we just need noobs more than ever [08:55]
danielpbarron: i don't think you'll find 50k flotsam on your own [09:17]
danielpbarron: might be better for you (jurov) to find (and lock, not build) magic dung beetle claims, as well as shrooms and deserted crab shells; let diana_coman build them, and then sell me the results [09:21]
danielpbarron: i need these things to build ordinary flotsam claims [09:22]
danielpbarron: and she should use low quality bits / only 1 thread to build them [09:23]
diana_coman: danielpbarron, why don't you dig for those and I'll build them for you? [09:24]
danielpbarron: that would be a waste of my claims [09:25]
diana_coman: uhm, so how is that not a waste of jurov's claims then? [09:25]
danielpbarron: his are low quality [09:25]
danielpbarron: and you can use them to make high quality [09:26]
diana_coman: uhm, IF there is indeed such a marked difference in *claim* quality, yes [09:26]
diana_coman: trouble is that building tinies…. [09:26]
danielpbarron: i've gotten loot from a tiny [09:26]
diana_coman: and as you put it the smalls are ALSO tinies.. [09:26]
diana_coman: yes, but with a low q bit? [09:26]
danielpbarron: no, but that's not the aim in this case [09:27]
diana_coman: I got that, but I am saying that it's basically hardly worth it [09:27]
danielpbarron: he could do it barehanded [09:28]
danielpbarron: free money [09:28]
danielpbarron: i've been collecting (basically free) snails this way [09:29]
diana_coman: free as in "your time is useless otherwise" pretty much, but possibly [09:29]
danielpbarron: i don't see how wearing down tools on flotsam is a better use of his time [09:30]
diana_coman: if he actually gets better profit /time, how is that not better? [09:30]
danielpbarron: here is a better way than that: he follows me as i mine flotsam, building my claims [09:30]
diana_coman: so he mines bare-handed and get 1 shroom per hour say (remember he has lower gathering than you) [09:30]
diana_coman: that sounds better actually [09:31]
danielpbarron: not worth locking them, so it'd have to be an at-the-same-time kind of deal [09:31]
danielpbarron: i shouldn't say not "worth" it, but it would be so much easier to not have to lock and unlock them [09:32]
danielpbarron: which would mean handing over hundreds of keys [09:33]
jurov: well, for tinies thare's no difference who mines them [09:42]
jurov: and in any case, i currently prefer unattended operation [09:42]
jurov: not know how to do it with existing claims(other than coding it) [09:43]
jurov: btw, keys can be managed easily by storing them in tables (which are cheap and light) [09:43]
jurov: you can extend your inventory slots up to 1280 that way :D [09:45]
jurov: fuck, why do i keep giving free advice to these tight-lipped paranoiacs? [09:45]
danielpbarron: do you mean putting stuff in the table and then picking the table up? [09:49]
danielpbarron: doesn't solve the problem of transfering the keys [09:50]
danielpbarron: this can be done with claims, still a pain [09:50]
danielpbarron: and tinies do have extra loot [09:50]
jurov: you can transfer whole table [09:50]
danielpbarron: it's not always 1 [09:50]
danielpbarron: table same as claim [09:50]
danielpbarron: at least claim is lockable [09:50]
danielpbarron: i got like 17 of an item from a tiny at least once [09:51]
danielpbarron: happened while i was watching [09:51]
jurov: i don't think the loot is worth it [09:51]
danielpbarron: well i'd pay you (or whoever) for the service of doing it [09:51]
danielpbarron: i want the flotsam for myself [09:52]
danielpbarron: and we can also do this with shiny rock [09:52]
danielpbarron: i'll tinker it all into whatever it is mircea_popescu actually wants [09:52]
jurov: mined maybe 10k flotsam dso far, i estimate 10\% loot from tinies (and that's including the one case i got 600) [09:52]
danielpbarron: that's using your low quality sticks and enums [09:52]
jurov: i was mining grass for diana, it came out similarly [09:53]
jurov: so i don't believe it. [09:54]
danielpbarron: what's your building rank [09:54]
jurov: if instad you paid a coder to make mining existing claims easy, then i could do it for free [09:54]
jurov: 92 [09:54]
jurov: but was much less then, maybe 60 [09:54]
danielpbarron: what is the use of players with average rank? is this what skill books are for? [09:55]
danielpbarron: i see how noobs are valuable, and high rank too [09:55]
jurov: i'm fine, thanks [10:23]
mircea_popescu: if the tuber spot is hard to hit it's absolutely no use to me, how is the bot gonna mine it. [10:42]
mircea_popescu: you around jurov ? [10:42]
mircea_popescu: <diana_coman> it seems that cft is now in fact a much bigger bottleneck than anything else << been trying to swap grass fior a while here! [10:43]
mircea_popescu: <jurov> fuck, why do i keep giving free advice to these tight-lipped paranoiacs? << lmao! [10:45]
jurov: yes [10:45]
mircea_popescu: alright coming over. [10:46]
mircea_popescu: anyway, in my observation about 40\% of my final result comes from digging up tinies. [10:46]
mircea_popescu: could be less than that i guess because i only count "normal" runs, ie not the runs when i hit it big [10:47]
mircea_popescu: still… [10:47]
mircea_popescu: jurov what is 120 ? [10:51]
jurov: the flotsam qual [10:51]
mircea_popescu: oh [10:51]
jurov: that's why i just made slag from it [10:54]
mircea_popescu: aha. well i'd still buy it, just, you won't get so much extra \% out of it [10:56]
diana_coman: <jurov> fuck, why do i keep giving free advice to these tight-lipped paranoiacs? <- ha ha jurov, don't worry, I already carry around 2 tables filled with keys and the like [11:37]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> if the tuber spot is hard to hit it's absolutely no use to me, how is the bot gonna mine it. <- neah, just give it a line like 10 long along the side of that hill there [11:39]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> <diana_coman> it seems that cft is now in fact a much bigger bottleneck than anything else << been trying to swap grass fior a while here! <- but that's still because not enough noobs, isn't it? [11:40]
diana_coman: as my grass now is already 180+ [11:40]
diana_coman: still lower than yours, of course, but not sure it would even still be + to mine it [11:41]
mircea_popescu: possibly not. [13:29]
mircea_popescu: anyway i figure i make a large sura and then see [13:30]
mircea_popescu: down to 256 nao [14:15]
mircea_popescu: but i figure… if i bring it down to 100… then we'll have noobs willy-nilly :D [14:16]
mircea_popescu: hanbot hey, was leathers that made mollusc ? [14:24]
hanbot: mhm [14:24]
mircea_popescu: so the story is : i have 2 grass remarkables. they need 41 grubsilks each, which i have. 7 suspect ointments, which is like… iirc 35 molluscs ? [14:24]
mircea_popescu: 10 bandar toolkit bundles which i can get. and other stuff i also have. [14:24]
mircea_popescu: so how about you get me the dm and then go mine my remarkable ? first in game! [14:25]
mircea_popescu: also, iirc i passed you the last of the sr in that huge flotsam for ibs deal ? is that done ? [14:25]
hanbot: i have 3 supplications of leather atm, but i made them, and they're q77 [14:26]
hanbot: are you able to make highq leather supps? [14:27]
mircea_popescu: but you have high q wine and leather neh ? [14:27]
hanbot: i have plenty of drafts [14:27]
mircea_popescu: i am, yeah. then sure, i will. [14:27]
mircea_popescu: you mean you have the drafts but not the enums ? [14:27]
hanbot: wine i have. my leather is q 90 [14:27]
hanbot: and i have the drafts but not the enums [14:28]
diana_coman: I have high q leather if needed [14:28]
hanbot: diana_coman whatcha want for 9 atm? [14:29]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman but also no enums ? [14:29]
diana_coman: I have to check, but I think I still have enums yoo [14:29]
diana_coman: iirc hanbot did not buy all of them [14:29]
mircea_popescu: dso check, if you do ima buy some drafts from her make more sups, high q [14:29]
diana_coman: ok, on my way to town [14:30]
diana_coman: 166 tiny wpl at 272q + 32 small wpl at 288; hanbot: 443 wpl at 167q for 317 per (25\% on base value adjusted for q) [14:32]
mircea_popescu: was it 3 and 15 each or what ? [14:32]
diana_coman: no idea, never saw a bp for that [14:33]
mircea_popescu: hanbot ? [14:33]
hanbot: 3 and 17 [14:33]
mircea_popescu: so diana : get 1 more small and 11 more tiny [14:33]
mircea_popescu: and ima buy 11 sets from you. then i get 11 drafts from her and i deliver the sups. [14:33]
mircea_popescu: i want 50k for this, because decay. [14:34]
mircea_popescu: what's the 11 sets ? [14:34]
mircea_popescu: say another 50k ? [14:34]
hanbot: then i'll mollusc hunt, i'll want 42 leathers. 14k for you there, diana [14:35]
mircea_popescu: how much did yo upay for wine, do you recall ? [14:35]
hanbot: ~5k each [14:36]
mircea_popescu: what's the sup, 1 wine 3 leathers ? [14:36]
diana_coman: mhm mircea_popescu: more like 70k considering 317 (price of 1 wpl) * 20 *11 [14:36]
hanbot: exactly [14:36]
mircea_popescu: ok so you pay her 70 me 50 that's 120 for 11 sups ; makes each worth ~11k. [14:36]
mircea_popescu: then 5k for wine and whatever, 2k for leather ? takes you to 18k a click on the altar. [14:37]
mircea_popescu: last run you got what was it, 40 molluscs in 3 clicks ? [14:37]
hanbot: mircea_popescu i also need leather, for which she wants 317 per, so that's 84k her, 50k you? [14:37]
hanbot: and yes re molluscs [14:37]
mircea_popescu: 40 molluscs DEFINITELY worth 3 clicks at 18k a click. [14:38]
diana_coman: btw hanbot, I'd buy molluscs too if you sell any [14:38]
mircea_popescu: iirc they're 2k at q100. course you got altar decay to figure into all this. [14:38]
hanbot: mircea_popescu i should have the rest of your ibs today. [14:46]
hanbot: diana_coman if i get more dm than what mp needs here i'll auction it [14:47]
diana_coman: got the enums, will be back in 3-5 min [14:47]
mircea_popescu: cool [14:47]
diana_coman: hanbot, I'd happily provide the enums for more dm [14:48]
mircea_popescu: … [14:48]
hanbot: diana_coman i dun get it. [14:48]
diana_coman: if you want to make more dm I understand you need more leather supps, hence more wpl enums, right? [14:49]
mircea_popescu: mkay i guess ima go dig up some leather. [14:49]
hanbot: yes [14:49]
diana_coman: why mircea_popescu? [14:49]
mircea_popescu: easier that way. [14:50]
diana_coman: uhm, I don't get it [14:50]
diana_coman: this deal is done, I'm providing all the stuff as agred and hanbot will sell you the dm [14:50]
diana_coman: AFTER that [14:50]
diana_coman: if she wants to make more [14:50]
diana_coman: I'll provide more enums [14:50]
diana_coman: and leather and whatever else she needs [14:50]
mircea_popescu: notrly what you said is it ? [14:51]
diana_coman: how is that not what I said? [14:51]
diana_coman: <diana_coman> hanbot, I'd happily provide the enums for more d [14:51]
diana_coman: for MORE dm [14:52]
diana_coman: additional dm [14:52]
diana_coman: geez [14:52]
mircea_popescu: aite well im in town [14:52]
diana_coman: ok, so wpl to hanbot and the enums to mp? [14:52]
mircea_popescu: yea [14:52]
mircea_popescu: uh, 17 each you know ? gotta be 187 [14:53]
mircea_popescu: tho i think i have 10 somewhere. [14:53]
diana_coman: oh, sorry [14:54]
diana_coman: what did I do there, lol [14:54]
diana_coman: didn't you say 166+11? [14:54]
mircea_popescu: 17*11 [14:54]
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> so diana : get 1 more small and 11 more tiny [14:54]
diana_coman: <diana_coman> 166 tiny wpl at 272q + 32 small wpl at 288; hanbot: 443 wpl at 167q for 317 per (25\% on base value adjusted for q) [14:55]
diana_coman: I said I had 166 and you said get 11 more [14:55]
mircea_popescu: o.O [14:55]
diana_coman: or not? [14:55]
mircea_popescu: alrighty, well, i got the 10 so we're ok. [14:55]
hanbot: goes and stomps on some snails, shoves them into comp box [14:55]
hanbot: less complicated [14:55]
mircea_popescu: lol [14:55]
diana_coman: I have only 2more, lol [14:55]
diana_coman: can get the 8 more whatever, but I did not check your numbers, lol [14:56]
mircea_popescu: is ok it turns out i have a stash from flotsam misses. [14:56]
mircea_popescu: omfg i looted a shitton. [15:01]
mircea_popescu: i got like 200, 5 in [15:02]
diana_coman: the enums are really quite high q and the supps are cheap [15:02]
hanbot: :D [15:02]
mircea_popescu: i think it's mostly that the enums are cheap and the tool decay huge [15:02]
mircea_popescu: but this solves the problem, ima be selling oodlebunches of this stuff. [15:02]
mircea_popescu: buying all relevant tinies, 200 ea, buying all relevant smalls, 1k ea. [15:03]
diana_coman: so now that there is no more possible confusion: hanbot, do you want *additional* enums and leather to make another set of dm? [15:03]
diana_coman: oh, and tool decay, true [15:04]
hanbot: diana_coman you can just sell 'em to mp [15:07]
diana_coman: sure, but that doesn't do anything for me getting any dm, does it? [15:07]
diana_coman: whatever, I'll search for dm then as it's probably simpler that way, indeed. [15:08]
mircea_popescu: this is prolly the best solution here, since i got the screens and make the high q stuff which is what's wanted anyway. ima pay 200/1k for the relevant enums, and deliver to hanbot as the IP holder. she can sell for w/e [15:08]
mircea_popescu: prolly auction a batch tomorrow or i dunno [15:08]
mircea_popescu: lol i got fucking shredding bps ffs. [15:10]
diana_coman: btw mircea_popescu re w2d I wonder whether they won't actually come more likely from something like suspect ointment and the like [15:10]
diana_coman: obv, I don't know, but looking at what I got otherwise and at bp value [15:11]
diana_coman: anyway, just a thought [15:11]
mircea_popescu: might be. you wanna try some suspect meh [15:11]
mircea_popescu: it WOULD work for SO we use to make us, but not for mining SO [15:11]
diana_coman: yeah, but it's needed for making us too, and anyway, some US are needed even for mining after all [15:12]
mircea_popescu: yeah. might work. [15:13]
mircea_popescu: i guess i should also cook a shitton of wine. fortunately, i got a ton of cws just made. [15:14]
mircea_popescu: so diana_coman you selling me a pile of tiny/small enums ? [15:14]
diana_coman: csw [15:14]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ? [15:14]
diana_coman: atm I don't have any more really [15:15]
mircea_popescu: i suppose barehanded gathering is a decent earner with this. should make a few k's an hour at any rate. [15:16]
hanbot: altar decay is 11,097/click for the curious. [15:16]
mircea_popescu: o wow. [15:16]
hanbot: and 1 dm on first ;/ [15:16]
mircea_popescu: ouch [15:16]
diana_coman: what q, hanbot? [15:16]
hanbot: 166 [15:17]
diana_coman: ouch indeed [15:17]
mircea_popescu: hey listen [15:17]
diana_coman: but wasn't it correlated with higher level supps? [15:17]
diana_coman: so maybe you need to do more of those first? [15:17]
mircea_popescu: you wanna lend me the altar and a click set ? im curious what q i get. [15:17]
diana_coman: do you have the skill? [15:18]
mircea_popescu: skills aren't required to play eulora are they ? [15:18]
hanbot: diana raises a good point ; [15:18]
hanbot: lol [15:18]
mircea_popescu: have we tested this yet ? [15:18]
diana_coman: really? since when? you can't explore without the gathering skill, can you? [15:18]
mircea_popescu: has anyone ever clicked on an altar w/o the skill ? [15:18]
hanbot: mircea_popescu coupla mins, 2nd click is finishing, i'll lend you stuffs. [15:19]
diana_coman: well, since you know what you know, I'm not arguing, for sure [15:19]
mircea_popescu: kk [15:19]
mircea_popescu: i don't know what i know! i know what we don't know! [15:19]
hanbot: how do you know? [15:19]
mircea_popescu: if you know a know you didn't know that know. [15:20]
hanbot: annnnd 1 dm on the second click [15:20]
mircea_popescu: ouch. [15:20]
hanbot: have i defied ye gods?! [15:20]
mircea_popescu: well, 11k in costs + 11k in decay for 1 mollusc is ghastly. [15:20]
diana_coman: really the thing with higher supps? [15:20]
mircea_popescu: this looks pretty cool [15:21]
hanbot: arguably it could be the leather. q 167 vs 199 the wine? [15:22]
mircea_popescu: cooking [15:22]
diana_coman: what leather did you use last time, hanbot? [15:22]
mircea_popescu: this bundle is q195 [15:23]
mircea_popescu: so mind that im altaring w/o the skill. [15:23]
hanbot: 0_0 [15:24]
diana_coman: yeah, gotta know what is worth trying as it were [15:24]
mircea_popescu: and i got… nothing ? [15:24]
diana_coman: ahahaha [15:24]
hanbot: noway [15:24]
mircea_popescu: i mean an inconsequential token [15:24]
mircea_popescu: wait. [15:25]
mircea_popescu: seems i crashed the game no less ?! [15:25]
diana_coman: lol [15:25]
hanbot: tries to remember what dance she might've done before those first three that yielded 40dm [15:25]
mircea_popescu: ayup. [15:25]
hanbot: left, left, up, cognac… [15:25]
diana_coman: hanbot, how many leather does 1 go take? [15:26]
hanbot: and diana_coman i don't recall the old leather q, i'm searchin' [15:26]
hanbot: 3 per [15:26]
diana_coman: oh, I still have 4 OLD leathers which are close to 197q iirc [15:26]
diana_coman: you can try with those maybe to see if it makes any diff [15:27]
diana_coman: I'll throw them in for free out of curiosity [15:27]
mircea_popescu: sooo… i made a token of quality 2! [15:27]
diana_coman: I don't really think it makes such a diff [15:27]
hanbot: kk [15:27]
diana_coman: but out of curiosity… [15:27]
diana_coman: 194q turns out now that I got back in game to check [15:29]
hanbot: in progress [15:30]
hanbot: 1 dm again [15:32]
hanbot: there goes that idea [15:32]
diana_coman: aha [15:32]
diana_coman: so I bet on the thing with higher supps [15:32]
diana_coman: I'd suggest sacrificing some higher level stuff [15:32]
diana_coman: and then doing this again [15:32]
diana_coman: just a thought [15:33]
mircea_popescu: well i cant make the higher sups because no coffee [15:33]
mircea_popescu: because nobody's selling me any md. [15:33]
diana_coman: poor you [15:33]
diana_coman: how many brews do you need per supp? [15:33]
mircea_popescu: 2-5 or some shit [15:34]
diana_coman: and actually anyway, doesn't hanbot have the supps already? [15:34]
diana_coman: she bought them at the auction, didn't she? [15:34]
mircea_popescu: i dunno [15:34]
diana_coman: hanbot? [15:34]
hanbot: eh i don't have drafts for those, i have the supps, so don't know the ingredients [15:35]
hanbot: and ftr the one mysterious rocks thingie i sacrificed yielded token only [15:35]
diana_coman: so you have the supps already, so no need for md and all that jazz [15:35]
diana_coman: yes, but I understood it fed into the lower line [15:36]
mircea_popescu: a, you have all the sups ? [15:36]
diana_coman: uhm, am I the only one to read the logs? lol [15:36]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i recall selling a bunch of sparks in auction but not sups for them [15:36]
mircea_popescu: haven'\t been keeping that close a tab on it anyway [15:36]
hanbot: i dunno what constitutes "all" so can't vouch for that. i have myst rocks and murky delights tho [15:37]
mircea_popescu: so then is it your determination i should make 7 sparks sups ? or that i shouldn't ? [15:37]
diana_coman: they are from the higher line so that's what counts [15:37]
diana_coman: there would be the lists too at least, as the most expensive [15:38]
diana_coman: is off for a walk with a pickaxe [15:38]
hanbot: mircea_popescu if you can, you should. [15:38]
mircea_popescu: well i can't because no brews [15:38]
hanbot: so how do we get mds? [15:38]
mircea_popescu: but once i get some md ima get em [15:38]
mircea_popescu: well either dpb or diana_coman gotta mine 'em [15:39]
mircea_popescu: i guess you could also try, the spot is by the wm spot, but they're a bitch [15:39]
hanbot: also possible i loot them from different low sacrifices [15:39]
mircea_popescu: yes, it is. [15:39]
mircea_popescu: but atm i dun have enums to make any other low level sups [15:39]
hanbot: i have q 100 supps [15:39]
mircea_popescu: you mean you have drafts ? [15:40]
hanbot: i mean i have confusion [15:40]
mircea_popescu: lol the learning curve for this game… [15:40]
hanbot: (drafts, yes. durh.) [15:40]
mircea_popescu: anyway. the main problem here is that at 22k per, molluscs are unusable economically. [15:41]
hanbot: okay, i have enums for moss, berries, and thorns, which i guess you should make, 3 each. [15:41]
mircea_popescu: the sticking point is lack of enums atm, i burned through ~200 in two minutes. [15:42]
hanbot: and yeah re dm. could just be the luck of the draw. it's not my day according to the clouds or smthg [15:42]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman said she's out and i never really mined anythign but basics so i don't have any either [15:42]
mircea_popescu: anyway, at 11k for the altar, you got what, like 200 clicks in it ? [15:43]
mircea_popescu: listen this doesn't sound right at all. [15:43]
hanbot: 244 to be precise. [15:44]
mircea_popescu: was it established what would be a fair value on the basis of the auction ? like 20mn for the altar alone or something ? [15:44]
mircea_popescu: prolly more like 40 i guess [15:46]
mircea_popescu: hey listen hanbot ! what sacrifice level are you now ? [15:46]
hanbot: i'm not sure what you're asking. starting bid was its durability (2281), i paid 110M – 45M = 65M for the thing [15:47]
hanbot: 12 [15:47]
mircea_popescu: and when you looted the 40 ? [15:47]
mircea_popescu: well ok, but it was a bundle with the skill. they're different things. [15:47]
hanbot: yeah, but how're you going to split [15:48]
mircea_popescu: anyway. one altar click has an amortization value well in excess of 200k. if you get 1 dm for it… it's suicide. [15:48]
hanbot: this assuming the resultant token is worth nothing [15:48]
hanbot: tbh iono what it's worth. [15:48]
mircea_popescu: well atm it has no known use, so impossible to value. [15:48]
mircea_popescu: o no, wait, they were used in the raven event [15:49]
hanbot: iirc they were selling for 1m [15:49]
mircea_popescu: inconsequential ones ? [15:49]
hanbot: ofc, they're no longer as scarce [15:49]
hanbot: yes [15:49]
mircea_popescu: then it's a pretty good deal. [15:49]
mircea_popescu: goes off to brew a sunday event. [15:50]
hanbot: yeah but there's no longer a market aha [15:50]
hanbot: i'm off to attend to various stuffs myself, back around later [15:52]
diana_coman: hanbot, mircea_popescu my current enums stock, tiny/small: tpt 50/9 265q/293q; wwb 110/5 276q/267q ; sm 377/19 250q/315q [16:48]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ill buy the lot. [18:12]
mircea_popescu: also, do you have the 34 ft for my ppbs ? [18:12]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu you in town? I'll get the enums out + 200k I owe you from yest; re ft not yet, will get a samovar to jurov to make it as my q is 152 or higher [18:16]
diana_coman: jurov you around? [18:17]
mircea_popescu: i am yes [18:17]
diana_coman: or hanbot, do you want to make the toothpaste for mp? I'll sell you 1 samovar + ingredients and you sell the toothpaste to mp [18:17]
jurov: diana_coman: will log in a sec [18:18]
diana_coman: great jurov [18:18]
diana_coman: thanks [18:18]
hanbot: diana_coman am stacked with orders atm, ty tho' [18:20]
mircea_popescu: sooo… trade ? [18:21]
diana_coman: 1 sec to get them out [18:21]
mircea_popescu: (19+5+9) * 1000 + (377+110+50) * 200 = 140400 [18:22]
mircea_popescu: 60k you still owe [18:22]
diana_coman: yes [18:22]
diana_coman: uhm, 1 min to sort it out with the bank [18:23]
diana_coman: soooo… accept? [18:24]
mircea_popescu: tjere we go [18:24]
mircea_popescu: thanks. [18:24]
diana_coman: is that all settled now, right>? [18:24]
diana_coman: jurov, do you have toothpaste blueprints? [18:25]
jurov: lol, exactly 1 [18:26]
mircea_popescu: it is. [18:26]
diana_coman: mhm, you should loot more I suppose, but if you get stuck, I'll help you out [18:26]
diana_coman: ok, give me 5-10 minutes to get everything out and calc all [18:27]
jurov: okay [18:27]
jurov: god there are no fines for littering [18:31]
jurov: *good [18:31]
mircea_popescu: lol [18:31]
mircea_popescu: if anyone cares, i'm mostly short small moss and tiny wwb [18:37]
mircea_popescu: nice hat lol [18:42]
mircea_popescu: wow check out the advanced wiki on eulorum! [19:10]
hanbot: it needed some flesh, eh ;) [19:26]
mircea_popescu: nicely done. [19:26]

November 6, 2015

#eulora Logs for 06 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes, want today all mined so far? [06:05]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu I have 14 wood distillates for you (q153); no luck with loot – the most I got was a suspect ointment bp, otherwise mainly rock distillate bps; will go hunting for tlc therefore and then maybe jurov or hanbot have a go at it [10:29]
jurov: mircea_popescu: considering i'm now mining flotsam of q 119 maybe i can make slag (with q 80) myself? [10:33]
mircea_popescu: sure. [12:02]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah word. [12:02]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone wanna swap grass ? [12:18]
danielpbarron: i have a lot of ordinary claims i'd like to have a noob build [14:40]
danielpbarron: and a list of ingredients i need to make this happen -> http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/buying.txt [14:41]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i can certainy sell you some reeds [14:41]
mircea_popescu: wait, you out of electron grass ? [14:42]
danielpbarron: whoops forgot to remove some of the basics i already have [14:42]
mircea_popescu: or don't actually want high q [14:42]
danielpbarron: no i'm not [14:42]
danielpbarron: my bad on that one [14:42]
danielpbarron: fixed [14:42]
mircea_popescu: re-reads [14:43]
mircea_popescu: you can have some sr [14:43]
danielpbarron: bah i ahve that too [14:44]
mircea_popescu: i also got a ton of tpt but it's low q [14:44]
danielpbarron: i've been collecting elusive snail enumerations the last day or two [14:45]
danielpbarron: even though i've never seen a draft or supplication for these myself [14:46]
mircea_popescu: pretty sure grenadine made some [14:46]
danielpbarron: i want high quality supplications of it, or low quality drafts that i can trade for supplications [14:47]
mircea_popescu: i wonder what all those give. i mean, so far we know leather -> mollusc [14:47]
danielpbarron: i don't think i want to undercraft, seeing as how the altar is very limited, and i have no idea what the tokens are for [14:47]
danielpbarron: i know what all the others give [14:48]
danielpbarron: and by 'all' i mean the uncommons [14:48]
danielpbarron: "we" also know that one of them gives clovers [14:49]
danielpbarron: since i was selling clovers long before it was found in gathering [14:49]
danielpbarron: and it should be too hard to deduce which one looted those [14:49]
danielpbarron: shouldn't be* [14:50]
mircea_popescu: wait, wait. leather, dm, tlc these are all grocery. [14:58]
mircea_popescu: ok so does tpt yield what ? mushroom ? slithy tove ? [14:59]
mircea_popescu: btw anyone want to make me a large pile of low q bms and slag ? [15:47]
jurov: onoes, remarkable flotsam claim [15:48]
jurov: mircea_popescu: i can come to do it in a while. should have sr left, must look [15:49]
mircea_popescu: wow. [15:49]
mircea_popescu: wjhat's flotsam remakrable take ? [15:49]
mircea_popescu: i don't think we had that b4 [15:49]
mircea_popescu: jurov ftr, i would like ~4k bms and 10k slag to go with it. [15:50]
jurov: http://www.explo.yt/eulora/remarkableflotsam.png [15:52]
jurov: i have far from 50+8k flotsams [15:56]
jurov: *far less than [15:56]
jurov: mining my 4 ord and this one would help [15:57]
mircea_popescu: also needs w2d wouldn't you know it. [16:25]
mircea_popescu: anyway, scaffoldings i can make. and if the leather supps -> dm thing gets kicjked into high gear, i'll actually need someone to mine my remarkab le grasses [16:26]
jurov: will do 700 flotsams now, then get more resources [16:43]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu how many tlc do you need for a second round of distillates? [17:00]
mircea_popescu: define round ? [17:00]
diana_coman: mhm, say 10 distillates [17:01]
mircea_popescu: 70 [17:01]
diana_coman: ok, have that [17:01]
mircea_popescu: meet in town ? [17:01]
diana_coman: yes, 1 minute to make some order in my wares and figure out if I can give more [17:02]
mircea_popescu: brt [17:05]
diana_coman: ok, I can give 98 for another 14 distillates if I got that right [17:06]
diana_coman: do you prefer to just take their value out of the gin? [17:08]
mircea_popescu: ok. and the old wds ? [17:08]
diana_coman: oh yes, I'll take them out of storage in a min [17:08]
mircea_popescu: im just gonna count them at 125, which is what you pay for gin, also. [17:08]
mircea_popescu: 225k this [17:08]
diana_coman: fine for now [17:08]
mircea_popescu: lol inadvertently it shows the whole stack being 253 [17:09]
diana_coman: lol [17:09]
mircea_popescu: accept and get the wd [17:09]
diana_coman: they are 98 though [17:09]
diana_coman: aren't they? [17:09]
diana_coman: there is this bug that it shows the whole stack regardless [17:09]
mircea_popescu: iya [17:09]
mircea_popescu: 1.514mn [17:11]
diana_coman: I got 1.376mn for the distillates [17:11]
diana_coman: and 225 from the tlc, right? [17:11]
mircea_popescu: ye [17:11]
mircea_popescu: 225556.8+14×51417 × 1.79 = 1514066.82 [17:12]
mircea_popescu: o wait, 25\% nm [17:12]
mircea_popescu: 1602246.975 [17:12]
diana_coman: yes [17:12]
diana_coman: uhm, not enough change [17:12]
mircea_popescu: aww! [17:12]
diana_coman: lol, that's all I have [17:12]
diana_coman: will owe you 200k? [17:13]
mircea_popescu: aite. [17:13]
diana_coman: need the rest of the tlc to build my claims [17:13]
diana_coman: and in any case for the record: I sold all that tlc at a huge loss basically [17:14]
mircea_popescu: the day is not far when the full brunt of nt required for gin will be felt [17:14]
mircea_popescu: atm im still burning my stocks\ [17:15]
diana_coman: tubers? [17:15]
diana_coman: that's not a problem really [17:15]
mircea_popescu: think : this run = 2400 tubers. [17:15]
mircea_popescu: not a problem ? [17:15]
diana_coman: no [17:15]
mircea_popescu: then where is my 10k flotsam etc. [17:15]
diana_coman: what flotsam got to do with tubers? [17:15]
diana_coman: I still have plenty of tubers stocks for that matter [17:16]
diana_coman: + tubers are WAY less heavy than flotsam [17:16]
mircea_popescu: aite. [17:16]
diana_coman: jurov, each book needs 4cp, 1 dg and 2 brews [17:19]
diana_coman: the cp and dg take mainly basic resources, are you fine to get those on your own? [17:19]
diana_coman: since I understood you are getting now high enough q on your own to overcraft, right? [17:19]
diana_coman: the brew takes 1 bbb, 1 md and 1 ltf [17:19]
diana_coman: I have tons of bbb that would give you overcraft [17:19]
diana_coman: I can get the md no problem [17:19]
diana_coman: do you want me to make you ltf? [17:20]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu do you have any high q rotten fruit? [17:20]
mircea_popescu: nope [17:21]
diana_coman: argh, there is nothing in this world, lol [17:21]
mircea_popescu: and go get some of that md no problem, i need like 1k of it. [17:21]
diana_coman: sure, right after I get what I need, lol [17:21]
mircea_popescu: aaand im prolly gonna run out of samovars, too. glory. [17:23]
diana_coman: well, you are clearly addicted to cooking :D [17:23]
mircea_popescu: lol [17:23]
diana_coman: trouble is that I have already gone through all that lbn and cft since last Sunday [17:24]
diana_coman: even if there were 2 nights lost due to stupid connection troubles [17:25]
diana_coman: so …not much mining really to do [17:25]
mircea_popescu: and i've not actually managed to replace the cft. [17:28]
mircea_popescu: lbn hangs on whether i get more dm. [17:28]
diana_coman: you know, I have 6 ordinaries of grass waiting for a noob to build [17:29]
mircea_popescu: so we're back to the "need more noobs" thing, only moreso. [17:29]
diana_coman: indeed [17:29]
diana_coman: any plans on a test eulora server for bot dev? [17:34]
diana_coman: fwiw I've implemented most of the more pressing changes to the bot (and most notably: use of id for container and a timeout parameter for the crafting bot, blocking and filtering marker messages for the explore bot), but it will probably take me now until the end of next week to do any kind of decent testing [17:42]
jurov: diana_coman: it only really needs one function: "drop everything and flee" [17:57]
diana_coman: lol jurov, how's that? [17:57]
diana_coman: drop everything and flee is quite easy really as long as you don't mind where it drops stuff or where it runs to, lol [17:58]
jurov: considering the abuse that is inflicted on the character, it may as well do it :D [17:59]
jurov: imagine pickaxing for hours without any pause [17:59]
jurov: chetty when the overfast movememnt was still enabled, i could exhaust grundin's stamina and not allowed to move further [18:01]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know, i don't think i've ever observed bot train cooking properly./ [18:01]
jurov: maybe this can be applied to mining, too to break bots (evil laughter) [18:01]
diana_coman: uhm, you mean you did all that cooking with the macros or what? [18:02]
diana_coman: oh, the training only [18:02]
mircea_popescu: ye [18:02]
diana_coman: there is something weird going on with training lately, not sure why, maybe I missed something in the update as I noticed some training trouble where previously there were none despite not changes to that part of code [18:03]
diana_coman: but training IS among those things that are a true pain to test [18:03]
jurov: you can always restart your character :) [18:04]
mircea_popescu: lol [18:04]
diana_coman: lol jurov [18:04]
mircea_popescu: yup jkust failed training again [18:06]
diana_coman: is there any message at all either in main window or bot window? [18:06]
mircea_popescu: it moves the things to tool, but it oes not train. [18:07]
diana_coman: like "you can't train when.." [18:07]
mircea_popescu: none\ [18:07]
diana_coman: uhm, so that message is either ignored or lost on the way [18:07]
mircea_popescu: the bot dsays "moving to train" [18:07]
diana_coman: so it says, it moves and then it sends the message, that part can't be skipped if it did all the rest [18:07]
diana_coman: but then …nothing [18:07]
diana_coman: what the hell can the bot do [18:07]
mircea_popescu: odd. [18:07]
diana_coman: basically there are only those 2 options that I see: the message is either lost or ignored/considered wrong [18:08]
jurov: and mine started having problems to target the table [18:08]
diana_coman: moreover, if there is no err message re trainer, it would normally mean that targeting the trainer was fine too [18:08]
mircea_popescu: the reason i suspect it's a bot issue is that it never ever happened to me to clikc a training and it to not go through [18:08]
diana_coman: dunno, maybe just to delay the message a bit on the odd chance that it fires it up too fast [18:09]
diana_coman: lolz, in that sense sure [18:09]
mircea_popescu: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2lcyj7KOSFo/T4MHhnzLPlI/AAAAAAAAABM/jqkKlrecVQo/s1600/agua+viva+giigante.jpg << a picture of the dead mollusc i need. [18:09]
diana_coman: looks more like a wooly mushroom to me :p [18:10]
mircea_popescu: lol [18:11]
danielpbarron: diana_coman> what flotsam got to do with tubers? << both basic [18:17]
diana_coman: lol danielpbarron I know that, yes [18:17]
diana_coman: the context there was in getting large quantities and I was basically making the point that it's not exactly the same thing getting flotsam and getting tubers (even if they are both basic, sure) [18:19]
mircea_popescu: thousands still take a while, is the point [18:20]
diana_coman: well, on one hand I have thousands of tubers right now, lol [18:21]
danielpbarron: i can get thousands of lots of stuff, i just need the ingredients to the ordinary claims [18:21]
danielpbarron: also has lots of tubers [18:21]
danielpbarron: but it's electron stock that i'd probably better hold on to [18:22]
diana_coman: on the other hand, sure, a while, but kind of very different "whiles" given that for the same quantity of flotsams as tubers you make at least 4 times the trips to storage AND you can't leave the bot over night because of that [18:22]
danielpbarron: it takes one trip either way [18:22]
danielpbarron: until it is no longer possible to overload yourself [18:22]
danielpbarron: this is not unlike the death subsidy [18:23]
diana_coman: well, the bot doesn't do trips [18:23]
danielpbarron: shrugs [18:23]
danielpbarron: diana_coman, http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/buying.txt [18:24]
diana_coman: bitterbeans available tons: http://www.dianacoman.com/eulora/foxystore/ [18:25]
danielpbarron: 128 quality?? [18:25]
danielpbarron: can't you do better than that? [18:25]
diana_coman: I can, now [18:25]
danielpbarron: i can wait [18:25]
diana_coman: let me check, for the 110 you want I might even have already anyway [18:26]
mircea_popescu: on the positive side, alcohol comes oput 207 [18:26]
danielpbarron: i'll take all your swarming grub [18:26]
diana_coman: 159 beans at 173q danielpbarron [18:26]
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me i should prolly kill some grubs in alcohol make threads [18:27]
danielpbarron: diana_coman, i'll take those too [18:28]
diana_coman: so 159 beans at 173q and 25 sg at 174 q, right? [18:28]
danielpbarron: ya [18:28]
diana_coman: kk, trade me [18:29]
danielpbarron: i'm down to 202 quality enums [18:30]
diana_coman: 87600 danielpbarron [18:30]
mircea_popescu: that was nice, 100 acg recipes loot [18:32]
diana_coman: uhm, lost in action danielpbarron? [18:32]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu doesn't the thread take something else too? [18:36]
danielpbarron: heh [18:36]
danielpbarron: i was banking mid-trade [18:36]
diana_coman: just gin and grubs? [18:36]
mircea_popescu: i don['t readily recall [18:36]
diana_coman: oh, didn't even know you could bank while trading [18:36]
danielpbarron: yep, just gotta click the npc after the trade started [18:37]
danielpbarron: and you have to open/close inventory to get the new coins to appear [18:37]
diana_coman: good to know [18:38]
diana_coman: grubs are a bit the flotsam of farming, lol [18:42]
diana_coman: weigh about 100kg each or something, hence not exactly the easiest to mine (and re above discussion flotsam vs tubers: while I have in fact a few thousands beans and berries (each), I don't even have 500 grubs) [18:43]
mircea_popescu: aaaand 800 acg bps! [19:20]
mircea_popescu: im surprised it didn't get mentioned. [19:21]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman your gin's ready. want it ? [21:12]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman there's something specific with the cooking. mcguyver works just fine, in the exact same config. [23:58]

November 5, 2015

#eulora Logs for 05 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
diana_coman: morning [02:21]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu I'll take a partial set of samovars, sure [02:21]
diana_coman: coming to town now and I'll look for the bps too [02:21]
diana_coman: hanbot you around to get the enums then? [02:23]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu I can sell 40 samovar designs at 100q (not even sure where do I have those from really) [02:24]
diana_coman: and hanbot: I can just go and get precisely what enums you need really, as long as they are priced based on opp cost (meaning: 1 tiny eps enum for instance would cost basically the same as 1 eps I get – cost of lbn) [02:26]
Namworld: How's it going in here? [03:34]
Namworld: Hmm, still can't login. Eh, maybe something wrong with my installation. Not sure. [04:08]
chetty: you got account from Mircea? [04:35]
Namworld: yeah, always fail when trying to log in [04:39]
chetty: any error messages in terminal window? [04:41]
hanbot: diana_coman is that pricing for eps only or for all supps? [10:56]
hanbot: err, enums. [10:56]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman meanwhile they're done. ready to pick up ? [11:40]
diana_coman: hanbot, I am fine with the prices you said for the enums that I already had [12:06]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu are you around for the samovars? [12:07]
mircea_popescu: just went mining, will be back in ~40 mins [12:07]
diana_coman: hanbot I was giving otherwise the pricing for any enums that you want to "order" meaning I go and specifically explore without building in order to get the enums [12:07]
diana_coman: that's ok, it can certainly wait 40 minutes more, np [12:08]
diana_coman: I was kind of away most day today [12:08]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu coming to town any time soon? [12:57]
mircea_popescu: alright comiong now diana_coman [13:07]
mircea_popescu: hm. you still around ? [13:07]
diana_coman: aha [13:15]
diana_coman: if you still around, lol [13:15]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu? [13:15]
mircea_popescu: coming. [13:15]
diana_coman: cool, coming too [13:16]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman 98×2.05×725×1.25+149×58×2.85×1.25+18×250= 4712852.75 + 18sb and provided you sell me back 14 wood distils. [13:28]
mircea_popescu: meh no [13:28]
diana_coman: lol [13:28]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman 98×2.05×7254×1.25+149×58×2.85×1.25+18×250= 6352447.875+ 18sb and provided you sell me back 14 wood distils. [13:29]
mircea_popescu: i even got change! [13:29]
diana_coman: what do you plan to use the distils for? [13:31]
mircea_popescu: they're needed in d2 [13:31]
mircea_popescu: also, how much for the sdamovar bps ? [13:31]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman [13:31]
mircea_popescu: remarkable sb needs 3 w2d, and i have 2 of them. so will need 6. and they take, i would guess, n w1d, which each take 7 acg. [13:32]
mircea_popescu: so we're talking in blocks of 42 acg, and i expect no less than 3 of them. [13:33]
diana_coman: well, its base value is 9374 [13:33]
mircea_popescu: whose ? [13:33]
diana_coman: the samovar bp [13:33]
mircea_popescu: a right. [13:33]
mircea_popescu: 20k each ? [13:33]
diana_coman: works for me [13:33]
diana_coman: how many do you want? [13:34]
mircea_popescu: suddenly me wanting 250k per is not so insane any longer huh. [13:34]
mircea_popescu: gimme the lot. [13:34]
diana_coman: well, not the 250k was insane for sure, more me giving the st as if it was nothing, lol [13:35]
mircea_popescu: so how many did you have, 50 was t ? [13:35]
diana_coman: yes [13:35]
mircea_popescu: cool. [13:36]
diana_coman: hope it helps [13:36]
diana_coman: as it was a pain to get bps anyway [13:36]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [13:36]
mircea_popescu: well ok, so next you make me some ft and some distils. ima go dig up more sr to feed grena so i get more ibs to make more lft [13:37]
mircea_popescu: for which i'll need tlc to fill with gin. [13:37]
mircea_popescu: please get some w2 bps. [13:37]
diana_coman: I'll start distillating wood in about 1 hr or so, as it will prolly take quite some time [13:37]
mircea_popescu: prolly like samovar-length type of craft i'd guess [13:37]
diana_coman: mhm, prolly best to make some ft first and see the q and all [13:37]
mircea_popescu: and since you got enough for 14 of em, i'd say good thing to do overnight [13:38]
mircea_popescu: make same ft for q io ghuess [13:38]
diana_coman: yes [13:38]
hanbot: diana_coman offer was: diana_coman, wwb 51/9, tpt 51/9, pss 23/4, sm 51/9, wpl 51/9. i'll pay 15k for each of the 4 complete packs + 7k for the pss partial (plus four imp hoes) [13:39]
diana_coman: cool, will get those out [13:40]
diana_coman: hanbot: just to let you know: there are a few that are around 240, but then there are also some that are above 300 [13:44]
diana_coman: anyway, check them and if you don't want some, give them back and will reimburse [13:45]
diana_coman: ok? [13:45]
hanbot: kk [13:45]
hanbot: oh yeah these should be great. thx again diana_coman. [13:50]
diana_coman: yw, good luck with them [13:50]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu fwiw my tp is 152q ; don't even know whether that's much good for you for undercrafting [14:56]
diana_coman: and that's with cooking at 1 basically, so just from tinkering I suppose [14:57]
mircea_popescu: tp ie ft ? [16:15]
diana_coman: yes [16:36]
diana_coman: ft , right [16:36]
mircea_popescu: ouch, that high huh. [16:37]
mircea_popescu: well on the good news front you've got high cooking output. [16:37]
diana_coman: yeah, lol [16:38]
mircea_popescu: possibly w2d bp hunting should even continue with a noob if you don't manage to find any [16:38]
diana_coman: that's more my dilemma now [16:38]
diana_coman: whether to go through those [16:38]
diana_coman: or call in a noob, lol [16:38]
diana_coman: bundle q is 206 on them [16:39]
mircea_popescu: that's pretty good. [16:42]
mircea_popescu: what's the bp value ? 7k or so ? [16:42]
diana_coman: think so but will check again when this craft is done [16:44]
diana_coman: 5k base value [16:56]
diana_coman: anyways, guess I'll do now this full run [16:57]
diana_coman: and if nothing comes out, will just give next to jurov or someone else with lower tinkering too [16:57]
diana_coman: (obv. will go and dig tlc for the gin before that) [16:58]
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't have much problem with it, as long as i get the distillates im good feeding you gins. [16:58]
diana_coman: yeah, well, need double distillates too for mining my own remarkables [16:59]
mircea_popescu: and you want them high q. [17:05]
diana_coman: as much as possible, yes [17:06]
mircea_popescu: so then i'll be making them. how many you got, 2 as well ? [17:07]
diana_coman: ha ha ha [17:07]
mircea_popescu: what ? [17:07]
diana_coman: 2 of which kind, you mean? [17:07]
diana_coman: lolz [17:07]
mircea_popescu: w2d [17:08]
mircea_popescu: or what are we discussing ? [17:08]
diana_coman: atm we don't yet have the double distillates [17:08]
diana_coman: and I'll surely need more than 2 if that's the question [17:08]
mircea_popescu: … [17:08]
mircea_popescu: i got 2 remarkjables, which need 3 w2d which is the basis of the abpove calculations <mircea_popescu> so we're talking in blocks of 42 acg, and i expect no less than 3 of them. [17:09]
mircea_popescu: how many do you need to dig up ? [17:09]
diana_coman: 2 remarkables -> 4 double distillates atm [17:15]
diana_coman: and given that I have a set of sticks I plan to use up… [17:16]
diana_coman: (I mean 2 remarkables which take the w2d) [17:17]
mircea_popescu: aha so 4 for you 4 for me. [17:18]
jurov: wow 604 flotsam from a small [18:06]
mircea_popescu: wd [18:10]
mod6: must have had some good threads! ;D [19:16]
mircea_popescu: lol [19:31]
hanbot: nice one jurov [19:32]
mircea_popescu: hanbot 970*79*2.6*1.25=249k [19:38]
mircea_popescu: an the screens are 249132 durability. you got clogs ? [19:39]
hanbot: yepper [19:39]
hanbot: holyshit. first leather supplication made = 647 supplication of leather drafts, 69 supplication of berries drafts, 5 supplication of mosses drafts. [19:42]
mircea_popescu: o.O [19:42]
mircea_popescu: you're made eh. [19:42]
mircea_popescu: i suppose you sell sups to danielpbarron in exchange for all the products ? :D [19:43]
hanbot: lol [19:44]
hanbot: in any case i think i'ma have drafts to auction sunday :) [19:44]
mircea_popescu: o hey. [19:46]
mircea_popescu: if you manage to make me some dm ima even buy some, make high q drafts. [19:46]
mircea_popescu: not clear who'd want them, but anyway. [19:46]
danielpbarron: i want high quality supplications or any quality (preferably low i suppose) drafts [19:51]
mircea_popescu: aaand making q 206 tacks woot. [21:38]
mircea_popescu: jurov so am i getting a large pile of flotsam ? [22:17]

November 4, 2015

#eulora Logs for 04 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: so i need lots of md. anyone got lots of md ? [00:17]
mircea_popescu: sooo… i managed to loot sparks draft. means this sunday there will be rocks, murky and sparks packages auctioned [00:29]
mircea_popescu: btw hanbot did you click the prev ones ? [00:29]
hanbot: i tried a rocks, nothing spectacular afaik. will report what occurs with the rest when i do 'em. [00:32]
mircea_popescu: soo… from 101 clicks on maculatgure at q4589, i got 509 ecv, 211 chicken, 85 murky, 60 mysterious, 39 old lists and 7 sparkles. [00:40]
hanbot: yowza [00:41]
mircea_popescu: like 10mn worth of clicking i think [00:42]
mircea_popescu: and o may gawd i almost dug myself out of the crafting glut! [01:11]
mircea_popescu: only 16k or so grass left to process and the samovars once jurov delivers. go me. [01:11]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ [01:51]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulora Shop on Trilema – A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [01:51]
diana_coman: <jurov> diana_coman: looks like the bot won't train if ranked up in tinkering and sortage at once <- yes jurov, that is true [02:23]
mircea_popescu: aaaand another 8 hours lost [09:18]
mircea_popescu: this time to the "i will sit here and wait for infinity" bot bug. [09:18]
mircea_popescu: and mining at 262q now. [09:49]
diana_coman: how much was it before? [09:49]
diana_coman: as for the bot issue: the only reasonable approach I can see atm is to lock the EID of the container and possibly ask the user to target the container first too [10:06]
diana_coman: I have an update of the bots planned by the end of next week the latest if the plan doesn't blow up entirely [10:07]
mircea_popescu: also an autotimer would be a good idea i think. it knows how long the previous craft took right ? [10:09]
mircea_popescu: i see no problem with user having to target container. [10:09]
diana_coman: ha hah ah [10:16]
diana_coman: that was my very first idea, yes [10:16]
diana_coman: is not short on ideas really [10:16]
mircea_popescu: so if this craft takes more than twice the previous, pick up everything to inventory, stick ingredients back into container, craft again [10:17]
diana_coman: you can have the problem on the very first one and you are screwed equally + made the whole thing messier for nothing [10:17]
diana_coman: basically the trouble is that I wanted to avoid the case when it wears down the container for nothing [10:18]
diana_coman: because it takes it too early [10:18]
mircea_popescu: that's also a problem ;/ [10:18]
diana_coman: that's why it keeps trying really [10:18]
mircea_popescu: nuts. [10:18]
diana_coman: I saw the potential trouble, but I preferred it to container worn out [10:18]
diana_coman: gotta run, bbl [10:18]
mircea_popescu: myeah. this is judicious, actually. [10:19]
jurov: mircea_popescu: slags will be done in ~ half hour, but will need 30 slags [10:31]
mircea_popescu: alrighty, let me give em to you. [10:31]
mircea_popescu: trade when ready [10:32]
jurov: mircea_popescu: 39k? [10:33]
mircea_popescu: 2,33mn with yest's leftover. [10:33]
jurov: ic :) [10:33]
mircea_popescu: :D [10:33]
mircea_popescu: most expensive 30 slag ever [10:33]
mircea_popescu: ty. say when slag's done. [10:34]
mircea_popescu: i'll be around digging up flotsam [10:34]
mircea_popescu: also lemme point out to you that if you keep selling all your flotsam at auction i'm not gonna have how to have slag to sell you! [10:39]
jurov: overall auctioned only about half of it [10:45]
jurov: plenty mining hw to go, next run is yours [10:45]
mircea_popescu: cool. [10:50]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, do you wanna buy a coupla ordinaries ? [10:51]
mircea_popescu: they take 8 md, which i am never going to have for 'em i dont think [10:51]
jurov: what's md? [10:53]
mircea_popescu: dungbeetle [10:55]
hanbot: so attention miners, diana_coman, danielpbarron esp: am looking to buy high q enumerations. smalls and tinies of tpt, pss, eps, sm, wpl, wwb. 51 of each tiny, 9 of each small. free imp cruddy hoe thrown in on top for full (51+9) packs. [11:09]
mircea_popescu: ima have to look in storage maybe i got some tinies. [11:13]
hanbot: cool [11:13]
jurov: what is high q? i have wildly varying between 100 and 250 [11:18]
mircea_popescu: i would guess 200 and over is good [11:19]
mircea_popescu: you mine that high ?~ [11:20]
jurov: mircea_popescu: done, qual 91-97, do you want me to stack them? [11:20]
mircea_popescu: sure. i;ll brt. [11:20]
mircea_popescu: 180×1.6×8824 = 2541312 [11:21]
mircea_popescu: jurov i;m 17k short, you want thread for it ? [11:22]
mircea_popescu: 170k* [11:22]
jurov: yes please [11:22]
mircea_popescu: ty!\ [11:23]
mircea_popescu: i bet diana will be excited :D [11:23]
jurov: yw [11:23]
mircea_popescu: so hanbot i got 1 wwb small, q 202 ; 2 pss tiny, one 203 one 205 [11:24]
mircea_popescu: 255* [11:24]
jurov: some enums may not be mine, ppl used ot throw them out [11:24]
mircea_popescu: 1 sm, q 263 holy shit the quals i get ?! [11:24]
mircea_popescu: 2 sg 262, 6 tpt 241, 5 wwb, 240ish [11:25]
mircea_popescu: and no less than 32 wpl. over 200 [11:25]
mircea_popescu: like 250 actually. [11:25]
diana_coman: hanbot: tiny/smalls wwb: 161/14 tpt 104/18 pss 23/4 sm 430/29 [11:27]
diana_coman: wpl 217/41 [11:28]
diana_coman: eps 2/1 [11:28]
diana_coman: quality should be above 250 for all, let me know if you are interested in some specifically and I'll check [11:29]
mircea_popescu: incidentally jurov if you make a pile of low q slag i'd be interested. [11:29]
jurov: hanbot i've got all tiny tpt 1/237, pss 1/173, sm 2/209, wpl 5/191, wwb 2/183 [11:29]
jurov: all made by mircea [11:29]
diana_coman: actually the crafter mark seems to still be wrong sometimes on enums, but whatever [11:30]
jurov: i doubt i ever had such qual [11:31]
jurov: diana_coman: you wanted me to cook sth? [11:31]
diana_coman: jurov, it's up to you: if you cook me the ingredients for the books, I can make them and sell them to you cheaper [11:32]
jurov: yes i'll try that [11:32]
jurov: if you provide me with everything, don't even have a samovar [11:33]
mircea_popescu: first samovar is cooking now :D [11:39]
mircea_popescu: all this leather is great news, iirc it was leather that got me dm ? [11:44]
diana_coman: ok jurov, let me make some packages then [11:46]
diana_coman: the samovar though you'll have to buy from mp [11:46]
mircea_popescu: actually… i was thinking ima sell them for st + cash [11:47]
mircea_popescu: so he'll have to buy it… from you. [11:47]
diana_coman: yes mircea_popescu the leather supps gave the dm as far as I know [11:47]
diana_coman: ahahaha [11:47]
diana_coman: kk [11:48]
mircea_popescu: suddenly diana_coman is like the most hated monopolist of eulora. [11:48]
diana_coman: what? me? lolz [11:48]
mircea_popescu: has lapidary, has the st, has the one skill we don't all have, etc! [11:48]
diana_coman: daniel has lapidary too, you have lapidary too [11:49]
diana_coman: it's the bubble that's missing and I don't have one of those anymore either :p [11:49]
diana_coman: but funny how that works, yes [11:50]
mircea_popescu: but you got teh tool [11:50]
mircea_popescu: and i can never loot any fucking bps because my q is never high enough ;/ [11:51]
mircea_popescu: samovars coming out 192k! [11:53]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so i'm thinking 250k + 1 st each. work for you ? [11:56]
diana_coman: so like 30\% on top + st [11:57]
diana_coman: mhm [11:57]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [11:57]
diana_coman: guess I'll have to pass on the 30\% then to anything I sell out of it [11:57]
diana_coman: if that's fine, then ok [11:57]
mircea_popescu: you'll prolly be making 300\% on anything you sell out of it, at low lvl. [11:58]
diana_coman: seeing how the plan was that I make some toothpaste [11:58]
mircea_popescu: ft is like 6k base. the ~600 this adds to it is like 10\%. [11:59]
diana_coman: fine, I'll buy a set now and then I see how that goes [11:59]
diana_coman: and yes, precisely [12:00]
diana_coman: 10\% to it, hence I should even sell it to 35\% instead of the usual 25\% or what? lol [12:00]
mircea_popescu: but that aside : you can ask for as much as you want on ft and i'll pay it, provided you buy the resulting cs :D [12:00]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ill prolly be paying 2-300\% anyway. [12:00]
mircea_popescu: recall, you'll prolly make q 60 or something ? [12:00]
diana_coman: the idea was you are making cs for yourself really, what's the point [12:00]
diana_coman: I doubt that [12:00]
diana_coman: I have high tinkering [12:01]
mircea_popescu: how high ? [12:01]
diana_coman: 400+ [12:01]
mircea_popescu: pretty high. [12:01]
mircea_popescu: well, want just one and to try it out ? [12:01]
diana_coman: as I said: I'll buy a set now to try it out, yes [12:01]
mircea_popescu: also importantly : i thought the bigger thing here is, you bp hunting for the wd2. [12:01]
mircea_popescu: i have al lthis acg stashed away for you. [12:01]
diana_coman: that's pretty much why I am buying the set anyway [12:02]
mircea_popescu: aha. [12:02]
diana_coman: how many are you making now? [12:03]
mircea_popescu: 18 [12:03]
diana_coman: ok, I'll buy those [12:03]
mircea_popescu: alright. [12:03]
mircea_popescu: ahhh if we actually manage to dig up a remarkabl.e…. [12:04]
diana_coman: that'd be grand really [12:04]
diana_coman: remarkable even! :)) [12:04]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman anyway, i would sell the cs rather than use it because i got too much stuff to do and im not the top gathering anyway [12:04]
diana_coman: there is for sure a market for that anyway [12:08]
diana_coman: when are the samovars ready? [12:08]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu I think your craft run is again stuck [14:43]
diana_coman: btw for anyone interested: I have about 30 "A Very Small Sparkle" for sale too [15:15]
mircea_popescu: aaaaaand another six hours lost [18:08]
mircea_popescu: this time, stupid pos moved ingredients to train, left them in there, stopped because "not enough ingredients" [18:08]
mircea_popescu: i am seriously contemplating moving back to the macro thing for crafting at this rate. [18:09]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman do you want a partial delivery ? or i dunno what to do here, basically i lost a day. [19:10]
hanbot: ahh. enum orders: mircea_popescu i want yer 2 pss tinies. jurov, your pss tiny. diana_coman, wwb 51/9, tpt 51/9, pss 23/4, sm 51/9, wpl 51/9. i'll pay 15k for each of the 4 complete packs + 7k for the pss partial (plus four imp hoes), lemme know. [19:11]
mircea_popescu: hanbot you can just have htem. [19:11]
jurov: only pss? [19:11]
hanbot: jurov yeah, unless diana_coman doesn't wanna sell, cause otherwise she has the rest covered [19:12]
hanbot: i imagine eps is gonna be a while to gather. i'm rather curious what comes out of that one [19:14]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> i am seriously contemplating moving back to the macro thing for crafting at this rate. << what i meant by "don't trust it" [19:34]
danielpbarron: there exists an elusive purple snail supplication draft? [19:36]
mircea_popescu: it's great when it works. and certainly great for mining. but then again i didn't put all the effort you did into making a mining macro [19:36]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yeh [19:36]
danielpbarron: wants the resulting supplication [19:37]
danielpbarron: also i'm buying low quality shiny rock [19:38]
danielpbarron: and low quality grass [19:38]
danielpbarron: and also, high quality ingredients that go into ordinary basic claims [19:39]
mircea_popescu: hm, danielpbarron do you have any coffee ? [19:40]
danielpbarron: i didn't know coffee was a thing, or do you mean in "real life" ? [19:40]
mircea_popescu: bbb [19:42]
danielpbarron: no, and by no I mean, whatever I have is non-renewable [19:42]
danielpbarron: not something i intend to focus on gathering [19:43]
mircea_popescu: well, i could make spark supplications, but i need moar coffee for them. [19:45]
mircea_popescu: dunno if you actually want any [19:45]
danielpbarron: not at current prices [19:45]
danielpbarron: i don't have any reason to believe those things are even worth using by me [19:45]
danielpbarron: i do want the other supplications though [19:47]
mircea_popescu: well i guess it all depends on how many drafts hanbot loots. [19:47]
danielpbarron: i mean the other rare ones, although i do also want the uncommons [19:49]
danielpbarron: high quality (ie made by Mircea) on both [19:50]
mircea_popescu: which rare ones you mean ? murky etc ? [19:51]
danielpbarron: ya [19:52]
danielpbarron: murky, chicken, and mysterious [19:52]
mircea_popescu: ima auction sets of em sun. [19:52]
danielpbarron: i don't need the ingredients, just the supplications [19:52]
mircea_popescu: oh [19:52]
mircea_popescu: how many of each ? [19:52]
danielpbarron: idk, 5 ? [19:53]
mircea_popescu: will need a bunch of md, but if i get them i'll makle some. [19:53]
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/buying.txt [21:06]
mircea_popescu: btw diana_coman how many samovar bps you got left ? selling any ? [22:59]

November 3, 2015

#eulora Logs for 03 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: diana_coman got your ft and some srs for you to make more ft yourself [03:00]
diana_coman: hi mircea_popescu [03:48]
diana_coman: still there? [03:49]
jurov: grenadine left 10 flotsam [09:16]
jurov: ask me if you want it [09:16]
diana_coman: how's it going jurov? [09:34]
jurov: well [09:41]
jurov: i like to mine flotsamz on hillside and the bot keeps falling donw :DDD [09:41]
diana_coman: :))) [09:44]
diana_coman: lolz [09:44]
diana_coman: if you enjoy it… [09:44]
diana_coman: updated shop : http://www.dianacoman.com/eulora/foxystore/ [09:45]
jurov: sorry if it was discussed, how many points do the dismal scribblings add? [09:59]
jurov: these you are seeling [10:00]
diana_coman: uhm, iirc you actually tried one of those out, haven't you [10:07]
diana_coman: ? [10:07]
diana_coman: so if anyone knows exactly how many pointy, it would be you [10:07]
diana_coman: I can't really test that [10:08]
diana_coman: I think you got one level up last time [10:09]
diana_coman: but I don't know how many points exactly that was [10:09]
jurov: diana_coman: it added a level and set practice to 0, effectively adding 60k points [10:27]
jurov: so for 40k i'll have more of them, please [10:28]
diana_coman: oh wow, that's cool [10:29]
diana_coman: ok, I'll make more, hopefully the cost of ingredients didn't go up meanwhile [10:30]
diana_coman: thing is: I'll prolly make it at higher q anyway, so quite curious whether that changes anything [10:30]
hanbot: jurov keep the flotsam, it was weighin' me down [11:23]
thestringpuller: get well chetty !! [11:31]
thestringpuller: <3 [11:31]
chetty: ty [11:33]
diana_coman: hi chetty, hope you get well soon! [11:41]
diana_coman: jurov, bad news: with Mircea's new prices, the ingredients for one book add up to 51k [11:42]
diana_coman: add to that the fact it wears down the old screens [11:42]
diana_coman: anyways, I will make more books as soon as I get ingredients, but unfortunately they will have to start above that for sure [11:43]
diana_coman: guess I will make them and auction them [11:44]
diana_coman: actually jurov, there might still be a way to get them cheaper: you have gung-ho gumbo now, right? make me cheap brews, congressional pulp and disgusting goop [12:07]
jurov: no i don't [13:11]
jurov: the decreased effectiveness of gathering due to other people levelling up is palpable [13:34]
jurov: was the negative feedback a desired outcome? [13:36]
chetty: also ahould be stuff those bg guys cant be bothered wth [13:38]
mircea_popescu: motherfucker [13:38]
mircea_popescu: so i lost connection 300 threads in [13:38]
mircea_popescu: 12 hours, lost. [13:38]
chetty: awww [13:39]
mircea_popescu: stupid ass net connection omg. [13:40]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman now. [13:49]
diana_coman: coming to town [14:09]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu trade? [14:10]
diana_coman: jurov I did not really get what you were saying earlier [14:10]
diana_coman: do you mean you don't want the books cheaper? [14:10]
diana_coman: on my side I did not really notice any difference re gathering [14:11]
diana_coman: and tbh not sure who are those people you say are levelling up [14:11]
diana_coman: or do you mean sortage? [14:11]
jurov: diana_coman: all these ppl who mine with sticks, i dunno [15:33]
diana_coman: lolz, I barely got the toothpaste from mp half an hour ago and I did not yet start on making the sticks [15:34]
diana_coman: so not sure what it is you are seeing there [15:34]
jurov: and why would i not want the books cheaper? i you asked if i have gung-ho, i don't have [15:34]
diana_coman: oh, no? [15:34]
diana_coman: uhm [15:34]
diana_coman: are you getting it or not? [15:34]
diana_coman: I thought you had it, sorry [15:34]
jurov: yes, as soon as mircea or whoever says is available [15:34]
diana_coman: I think he was selling the books, so it should be available [15:35]
diana_coman: <jurov> diana_coman: all these ppl who mine with sticks, i dunno <- I remember though at some point I experienced something like that, so maybe there are some sensitive points as in being just above some threshold compared to others or just below it [15:51]
mircea_popescu: well diana_coman … now ? [17:43]
diana_coman: ? [17:43]
mircea_popescu: and what books did anyone want ? i got a few stashed. [17:43]
diana_coman: jurov wants gung-ho [17:43]
diana_coman: or so I gathered [17:43]
jurov: yep [17:44]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman aha. were you making some low ft/ppb for me ? [17:44]
diana_coman: I need a samovar first! [17:44]
mircea_popescu: also jurov you want this pile of oil for shaped slags as discussed ? [17:44]
diana_coman: I'll gladly make some but I sold you ALL samovars, remember? [17:44]
mircea_popescu: ye [17:44]
mircea_popescu: chipping away at it. [17:44]
diana_coman: kk, meanwhile I still have plenty of work to do on maps + farming anyway [17:45]
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes. you want it sooner than mining? [17:45]
mircea_popescu: (in other news, my guy weighs 72972.70 now. which is good, because down from 78k [17:45]
diana_coman: ahahaha [17:45]
mircea_popescu: jurov i have some mid q (160 or so) slag to go with it. that interest you ? [17:45]
diana_coman: good he doesn't end up deep in the ground or anything [17:45]
mircea_popescu: and i want it sooner than miner so i can get diana sorted with samovars etc. [17:45]
jurov: okay [17:45]
mircea_popescu: alrighty ima get all your stuff together need 1 min [17:45]
mircea_popescu: btw hanbot got your 1k cft if you want to pick it up [17:46]
jurov: will come in 10 mins [17:46]
hanbot: brt [17:46]
mircea_popescu: works jurov, im making quick stuff so no big deal. [17:46]
mircea_popescu: and so jurov wanted cooking and who else what else ? [17:47]
diana_coman: jurov you might want to check out some slag I have too if you need it anyway [17:47]
jurov: gung ho = cooking? [17:47]
diana_coman: yes jurov [17:47]
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> diana_coman aha. were you making some low ft/ppb for me ? <- the ppb is the one jurov made from the sb I sold him1 [17:48]
diana_coman: I'm not going to make any more ppb or not very soon, as I sold him the sb! [17:48]
jurov: yes, ppb is done, gotta auction it [17:48]
mircea_popescu: o.O [17:48]
diana_coman: lolz jurov [17:48]
diana_coman: kind of wonder jurov exactly why/how you think you'll get for it even better price than MP gives you with his formula [17:51]
diana_coman: ? [17:51]
diana_coman: or from whom exactly since I pointed you to that precisely because I will not pay that much, lol [17:51]
jurov: it's particularly promising, you know [17:51]
diana_coman: ha ha, guess so [17:51]
diana_coman: maybe daniel I guess [17:51]
jurov: maybe mircea will overbid himself like last time [17:52]
diana_coman: :))) [17:52]
mircea_popescu: lol [17:52]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> and what books did anyone want ? i got a few stashed. << i want gung-ho [18:03]
mircea_popescu: in town. [18:03]
danielpbarron: is rank 414 in gatheing and produces 205 quality enumerations [18:04]
diana_coman: that's interesting danielparron: my enums seem to be 243q [18:05]
diana_coman: (got one just now to check, lol) [18:05]
mircea_popescu: o.O [18:06]
diana_coman: so clearly enums quality takes into account more than gathering as I am still slightly below 414 [18:06]
danielpbarron: gathering with an improved hoe also yields quality 205 [18:09]
danielpbarron: just tested now [18:09]
diana_coman: I got that with a basic hoe [18:09]
danielpbarron: all my keys are quality 100 [18:09]
diana_coman: but I don't think I ever saw a difference based on tool [18:09]
diana_coman: keys are 100 for me too [18:10]
diana_coman: all of them [18:10]
danielpbarron: also, my enumeration quality is the same as my basic harvestable quality [18:10]
danielpbarron: so sortage has to do with it i suspect [18:10]
danielpbarron: probably why they are grouped together [18:10]
diana_coman: uhm, but then why do I have higher q? [18:10]
diana_coman: as I don't think I have higher sortage than you [18:10]
danielpbarron: i guess you have higher quality basics now [18:10]
diana_coman: uhm, I don't get 205q on anything really [18:11]
danielpbarron: will test real quick [18:11]
diana_coman: if it were gathering + sortage, I'd say you should have higher enum q as you have both those skills higher than mine (sortage probably significantly higher) [18:11]
jurov: so i'm offering 102 ppb quality of q 80 [18:12]
jurov: and 2k flotzamz about q 90 [18:12]
danielpbarron: i'll buy those [18:12]
mircea_popescu: this is the worst run auction ever. [18:12]
jurov: lol [18:12]
danielpbarron: yep, quality 205 on my boulder [18:13]
danielpbarron: same quality as my enumerations [18:13]
jurov: so first the ppb. any offers? [18:14]
mircea_popescu: 640k on the ppb, 250k on the f [18:14]
diana_coman: so how come then I get something like 180q although enum q is 243?? [18:14]
diana_coman: lol [18:14]
danielpbarron: shrugs [18:14]
diana_coman: well, you can't shrug data though, lol [18:15]
jurov: 640 ppb, 250k f heard. any other offer? [18:15]
danielpbarron: jurov, i need to calculate [18:15]
jurov: you had 3 minutes :D [18:15]
jurov: ok, will wait a bit [18:15]
diana_coman: I think sortage might come into it, but probably building comes into it with higher weight simply [18:16]
diana_coman: anyways, known facts: daniel's gathering rank is highest, but foxy's enum quality is highest [18:16]
danielpbarron: jurov, 300k on the flotsam [18:18]
jurov: 300k f. any other offers? [18:19]
mircea_popescu: in other news : if im gonna be making the sups, it doesn't really matter what q enums go in, sups q 200ish come out imp retty sure [18:19]
diana_coman: I guess the point was if you want overcraft [18:20]
diana_coman: not re output [18:20]
mircea_popescu: ow shit. there is that yeah [18:20]
diana_coman: as that's always the point of q of inputs, isn't it? [18:20]
mircea_popescu: i suppose grenadine will be making her own sups for this reason [18:20]
diana_coman: well, she can get overcraft on supps but then no overcraft on the altar [18:21]
jurov: okay, auction done [18:21]
diana_coman: can't really get both at the same time at the same level [18:21]
diana_coman: but that's up to her in any case [18:21]
mircea_popescu: so jurov : 650k ppb – 200k from before – 100k book – [18:23]
jurov: yes so far [18:24]
mircea_popescu: 180*2.03*5439*1.25 – 874*1.55*677*1.25 [18:24]
mircea_popescu: =1337848.375 [18:24]
mircea_popescu: so 988k [18:24]
jurov: ic [18:25]
mircea_popescu: cheers. [18:25]
mircea_popescu: dja recall what shaped slags are needed ? [18:26]
jurov: any except flat [18:26]
mircea_popescu: nonono [18:26]
mircea_popescu: this is a samovar run, so it needs… [18:26]
mircea_popescu: 36 sharp and 144 flat. [18:27]
jurov: noted [18:27]
mircea_popescu: cool. [18:27]
jurov: diana_coman: looks like the bot won't train if ranked up in tinkering and sortage at once [20:18]
jurov: it will do only one [20:18]
mircea_popescu: ummm jurov… turns out i miscalculated lmao [20:26]
mircea_popescu: i SUBSTRACTED the slag from the io, rather than adding it. [20:26]
mircea_popescu: 180*2.03*5439*1.25 + 874*1.55*677*1.25 = 3630678.125 [20:26]
mircea_popescu: 3.63 + .3 -.65 = 3.28. of which you paid 988k leaving 2.292 [20:27]
jurov: i see [20:28]
jurov: also, i'm 26 slags short [20:30]
mircea_popescu: yeah i didn't have quite enough ;/ [20:48]
mircea_popescu: and no flotsam so can't make more [20:48]
mircea_popescu: but i'll try and fix something here. [20:49]
Krystyl: Hello [21:47]
Krystyl: Is there anyone here? [21:48]
hanbot: hi Krystyl [21:48]
mircea_popescu: heya [21:48]
hanbot: btw i just grabbed an abandoned craft table near heina, owner ping me for it pls [21:49]
mircea_popescu: prolly jurov 's [21:50]
Krystyl: Have not played the game yet, need to get setup. [21:50]
mircea_popescu: did you manage to get it installed Krystyl ? [21:50]
jurov: hanbot i forgot the table [21:50]
Krystyl: havent attempted yet [21:51]
mircea_popescu: after you do hit me up i'll give you a starter pack. [21:51]
hanbot: omw jurov [21:51]
Krystyl: How do I get satrted with Bitcoin Web of Trust? [21:52]
mircea_popescu: Krystyl join #bitcoin-assets also see http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot [21:52]
lobbesbot: Title: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] (at wiki.bitcoin-assets.com) [21:52]

November 2, 2015

#eulora Logs for 02 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
mircea_popescu: omg im cooking at 205 now! [00:22]
mircea_popescu: SWEET [00:22]
mircea_popescu: i foresee reversal. [00:22]
hanbot: hooray for sortage lvl 1! [00:53]
mircea_popescu: haha it worked ? sweet. [00:55]
mircea_popescu: so… i got another sortage book if anyone wants it. [00:55]
mircea_popescu: making bouq and cooking nexty. [00:55]
mircea_popescu: also … i need more md. LOTS of md. as much md as tlc. [00:56]
mircea_popescu: more. [00:56]
mircea_popescu: more tlc than md. and more md than tlc [00:56]
hanbot: lol [00:56]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan also, will need loads of high pss. you got pss ? [00:58]
hanbot: ah and got bouq too. most excellent! [01:02]
mircea_popescu: the library of mircescu [01:08]
DianaComan: morning [02:22]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu I want the books! [02:23]
DianaComan: and pss but hmm, pss I need first for making the sticks [02:23]
DianaComan: so : got the ppb + toothpaste? [02:23]
DianaComan: gabrielradio there's the wiki and there is also a short starter tutorial : http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/08/30/euloras-first-grade-how-to-get-a-skill-build-a-claim-make-your-own-grass-etc/ [02:24]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu if I catch gabrielradio to build some claims for me, there will be md, lol [02:25]
DianaComan: or do you need it high q? [02:25]
mircea_popescu: hey diana_coman [07:49]
mircea_popescu: got your ppb. [07:49]
diana_coman: hey [07:49]
diana_coman: hooray [07:49]
diana_coman: and books? [07:49]
mircea_popescu: jurov want these tools ? [07:49]
diana_coman: pleaaaase [07:49]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i got sortage. what else you wanted ? [07:49]
diana_coman: sortage, sortage [07:49]
diana_coman: and gung ho [07:49]
diana_coman: but sortage first, second and third, lol [07:50]
diana_coman: hooray , I got sortage [07:54]
mircea_popescu: haha well done! [07:55]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman how low ? [07:55]
diana_coman: the sortage? lvl 1 [07:56]
diana_coman: also, if you sell me the book on gung ho, I can then make low q toothpaste for you I guess [07:57]
mircea_popescu: only helps with low ppb. [07:57]
diana_coman: grundin can make low ppb, I was setting him up on that when you got back in [07:59]
mircea_popescu: alrighty then that works. [08:00]
mircea_popescu: im going to set right now make two books : a cooking for you and a sortage for jurov. [08:00]
mircea_popescu: let me stress that we suddenly need a lot of coffee which means md, and a lot of pss. high pss. [08:00]
jurov: yup [08:00]
diana_coman: so jurov, you are prolly best off buying the ingredients from me for overcraft [08:00]
diana_coman: and selling the output to mircea for highest price [08:00]
diana_coman: seeing I charge you 1.20 instead of 1.25 [08:01]
jurov: micea you don't have 4 snakeskins? [08:01]
jurov: i want to mine ord flotsams but without them it's gonna fall through [08:01]
mircea_popescu: i actually do. [08:03]
mircea_popescu: low q, but what can you do. [08:03]
mircea_popescu: jurov ^ [08:03]
jurov: jolly good, i'll take [08:04]
jurov: feature request: ask inventory to move stuff to another user [08:05]
mircea_popescu: ie give ? you can do that. [08:06]
mircea_popescu: lol such flurry of activity :D [08:08]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman your cooking be cooked up in 30 s [08:12]
diana_coman: yay [08:12]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu atm I can part with 100 pss if you need them [08:12]
mircea_popescu: what q ? [08:12]
diana_coman: 151 [08:13]
mircea_popescu: need 200 ffs. [08:13]
mircea_popescu: understand, this controls whether i get new bps of books [08:13]
diana_coman: hmm, tell you what [08:13]
diana_coman: I have 200 now but then I'm out of pps for making sticks, ugh [08:13]
diana_coman: I have some ordinaries to build though [08:14]
mircea_popescu: shit. [08:14]
diana_coman: so will do that and hopefully that'll get the rest [08:14]
mircea_popescu: so we're wedged on pss now [08:14]
diana_coman: neah, it's just a blip mainly because I did not focus on it more than my needs for sticks [08:14]
diana_coman: due to …me farmer not miner atm [08:14]
diana_coman: jurov branches are waiting for you… [08:14]
jurov: i mean ask inventory to reassign it without moving it out, [08:14]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman trade for your cooking recipe book [08:15]
diana_coman: oh, mircea_popescu got 2 pointy clumps of slag high q? [08:15]
jurov: diana_coman: yes, in a min will be claim done, having only q 101 bundle [08:15]
diana_coman: I need them for the pss ordinaries [08:15]
mircea_popescu: i do not, but i guess i could makle them next ? [08:15]
jurov: diana_coman: and the other stuff too? [08:15]
diana_coman: 8md, 3wm and 4dcs jurov, yes [08:16]
mircea_popescu: meh, got io low q ? [08:16]
diana_coman: ugh, I sold you the wm [08:16]
mircea_popescu: i use it to make high q :D [08:17]
mircea_popescu: anyway, it won't kill me. [08:17]
diana_coman: oh, nevermind I actually have some pointy which is high enough [08:17]
diana_coman: should do for now [08:17]
jurov: diana_coman: i can buy 4 times of all that,or you don't have? [08:17]
diana_coman: I would still want some stocks though [08:17]
mircea_popescu: uhh [08:17]
diana_coman: of all types [08:17]
diana_coman: as I need them for mining [08:17]
mircea_popescu: well now im making it jesus [08:17]
diana_coman: I'll buy it [08:17]
diana_coman: don't worry, lol [08:17]
mircea_popescu: you said that JUST as i got everything together [08:17]
diana_coman: no worries [08:18]
diana_coman: I'll buy it anyway [08:18]
diana_coman: need it anyway [08:18]
diana_coman: and it will be better than what I have so I will wait for it [08:18]
diana_coman: I thought you did not have what you needed [08:18]
diana_coman: jurov, as I said previously, I don't have 4 times all that right now [08:18]
jurov: i had all but clovers for cr [08:18]
jurov: ok, sry oi overlooked [08:18]
jurov: these i need for flotsams [08:18]
jurov: so, will build only one flotsam now, np [08:19]
diana_coman: I have lots of building lined up really, including an ordinary md [08:19]
diana_coman: but yeah, it all takes time [08:19]
mircea_popescu: should be, i hope, 205. [08:19]
diana_coman: yay, what I have is some 190 [08:20]
diana_coman: hence yes, I much prefer this [08:20]
mircea_popescu: well on the good news score, i have so much crafting lined up it's not even funny. [08:20]
mircea_popescu: possibly last me the entire week [08:20]
mircea_popescu: so iwon't be mining any [08:21]
diana_coman: likes that – MP has to let the quality go up :P [08:21]
diana_coman: yay [08:21]
diana_coman: :D [08:21]
mircea_popescu: is it going up eve ? [08:21]
mircea_popescu: even* [08:21]
diana_coman: it is, but slowly like hell because the levels (building and farming) I've hit now seem to be going up slowly like hell [08:23]
mircea_popescu: what are you, 600 building yet ? [08:24]
diana_coman: what? ha ha [08:25]
diana_coman: I wish [08:25]
mircea_popescu: 45k [08:25]
diana_coman: trying to get to 400 [08:25]
mircea_popescu: oh shit jurov didn't you owe me like 200k from yest ? [08:25]
mircea_popescu: ty diana_coman [08:25]
diana_coman: ty [08:26]
jurov: mircea_popescu: mmnt, will check logs [08:26]
diana_coman: jurov you left the branches on the ground? [08:26]
jurov: yes pls guard them [08:26]
mircea_popescu: ahaha [08:26]
diana_coman: uhm [08:26]
jurov: will get the flotsam and start crafting [08:27]
diana_coman: you know I need to go and build the pss [08:27]
diana_coman: so fuck, put them in a claim jurov [08:27]
diana_coman: I can't stay there guarding them [08:27]
jurov: ok, coming back [08:27]
jurov: sry [08:27]
diana_coman: np [08:27]
mircea_popescu: yup it's in here, you owe me 200k! [08:28]
diana_coman: feel free to use one of the fresh tiny pss claims around, jurov [08:28]
diana_coman: keys should be in them [08:28]
diana_coman: yay, finally learnt how to cook! [08:33]
mircea_popescu: so let's see here… making 100 more acg, that's 100 ltf, then 150 more bng, that's 150 hmmm do i actually need this much vellum ? [08:33]
diana_coman: will find herself a cauldron and then cook up a storm to that bloody moon [08:33]
mircea_popescu: hey diana_coman you wanted to buy some sups for some reason ? [08:33]
diana_coman: no, neverdid [08:33]
mircea_popescu: a ok [08:33]
diana_coman: I am selling some supps even, lol [08:33]
mircea_popescu: not drafts, sups right ? [08:34]
diana_coman: possibly you had in mind the lists item [08:34]
diana_coman: which is needed for the list supps [08:34]
mircea_popescu: o you have a bunch of books ? how many ? [08:34]
diana_coman: but I guess I'll just auction those separately [08:34]
diana_coman: like 5, nothing major [08:34]
mircea_popescu: aha. so i DONT need that much vellum then [08:34]
mircea_popescu: maybe i should actually try for the distillates ? [08:34]
diana_coman: that'd be grand [08:35]
diana_coman: if you actually make the distillates [08:35]
mircea_popescu: what did the remarkable sb need i forget, 3x w2 ? [08:35]
diana_coman: uhm, isn't there in the list? [08:35]
diana_coman: http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/MiningRecipes.txt [08:35]
diana_coman: oh shit, not the remarkable sb [08:36]
mircea_popescu: http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/index.html << it'd be so good if it were here [08:36]
lobbesbot: Title: Euloran Cookbook Version 1.1 (at www.dianacoman.com) [08:36]
mircea_popescu: i can never find your url structure [08:36]
diana_coman: the shiny rock remarkable is actually more doable maybe? [08:36]
diana_coman: with some molluscs from hanbot? [08:36]
diana_coman: yeah, I'll bring everything together [08:36]
mircea_popescu: Remarkable Wooly Mushroom 2 Wood Double Distillates 20 Grubsilk Thread 2 Unsteady Scaffolding 25 Giant's Rotten Canine 38 Dead Mollusc 16 Two Leaf Clover 5 Pacademia Nut 5 Abandoned Eggs 4 Elusive Purple Snail 7 Shiny Rock [08:37]
mircea_popescu: holy shit we can do this [08:37]
diana_coman: the mining thing was just my jotting down as I thought people had it [08:37]
jurov: !value CDG [08:37]
diana_coman: do you have double distillates? [08:37]
mircea_popescu: o that's an idea jurov [08:37]
jurov: ^ gotta have a bot for this [08:37]
diana_coman: as that was the problem [08:37]
mircea_popescu: hey lobbes, could this be a function of the bot ? [08:37]
diana_coman: jurov, I was thinking of adding some /bot cal [08:37]
mircea_popescu: !calc 200 cdg 199 [08:37]
mircea_popescu: spits out the value for 200 cdg q 199 [08:37]
diana_coman: more /bot calc dcg [08:37]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman also. [08:37]
diana_coman: I am just a bit unsure on whether to do it kind of fast meaning using the stinky xml structure for the input file [08:38]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i have single distillate recipes. and perhaps… i could have… a noob ? loot the dbl recipe ? [08:38]
diana_coman: or to look for something more sane [08:38]
mircea_popescu: do you know any cooking noobs that might want to try for me ? hm ? HM ? [08:38]
diana_coman: ha! [08:38]
diana_coman: here, here [08:38]
mircea_popescu: holy shit this is happening. [08:38]
mircea_popescu: ok ima make the high q acg. and then set you up for a run to maybe loot the bps. [08:38]
diana_coman: hopefully I don't have tinkering too high though [08:38]
mircea_popescu: make a cooking item see qual. [08:39]
diana_coman: remember I sold you ALL samovars though? [08:39]
diana_coman: a? a? [08:39]
mircea_popescu: hm [08:39]
mircea_popescu: listen here : someone make me A LOT of shaped slags for samovar [08:39]
mircea_popescu: and ill make a batch of sweet, juicy, high q samovars. [08:40]
mircea_popescu: maybe 200k even [08:40]
diana_coman: I see the: got the oil? [08:40]
mircea_popescu: yeah i do. [08:40]
diana_coman: oh [08:40]
diana_coman: then I might be able to do that, but uhm, is my q ok? [08:40]
mircea_popescu: notrly :) [08:40]
diana_coman: so there, jurov maybe [08:40]
mircea_popescu: jurov you want an order for a massive shaped slag run ? [08:40]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman this triangle would work splendidly… if he makes me the slag i make the smaovars you can hunt for bps if you find i will actually make the distillates and then he can go mine the remarkable wm making us… more oil! [08:41]
diana_coman: :))) [08:41]
diana_coman: quite [08:41]
jurov: mircea_popescu: already set up for foxy, want this but can do this tomorrow [08:42]
jurov: and got sortage, yay [08:42]
mircea_popescu: i shudder to think what he mkight find in a remarkable, seeing how grenadine did 12 ord grass for me, came back with 28k grass [08:42]
mircea_popescu: jurov it would have to be tomorrow, i still have to make more bottles and 50 oils. [08:42]
diana_coman: like 4k grass per ord? [08:42]
mircea_popescu: no, like 2.4 or so. [08:43]
jurov: mircea_popescu: okay [08:43]
mircea_popescu: i thought you went to school diana_coman ! [08:43]
diana_coman: ahaha, true [08:43]
diana_coman: not sure why I read 48 [08:43]
mircea_popescu: greedy ? :D [08:43]
diana_coman: wishful thinking [08:43]
mircea_popescu: or that hehehe [08:43]
diana_coman: it's not as if it was MY grass or something, lol [08:43]
mircea_popescu: anyway, i am definitely selling grass next sunday, along with tools and more murky/myst supp packages. [08:44]
mircea_popescu: cdg i mean, not grass. [08:44]
mircea_popescu: god damned it. [08:44]
mircea_popescu: cft i mean! [08:44]
diana_coman: :))))) [08:44]
mircea_popescu: hanbot btw – need a noob bouq to click my magical recipes and loot more! [08:46]
mircea_popescu: and also danielpbarron : i got a set of recipes here for you for your book! and also 5 toolkits. say when you're around. [08:46]
mircea_popescu: jesus this is getting complex. [08:46]
diana_coman: I was kind of wondering how the hell to handle it when more people come around [08:48]
mircea_popescu: complexity is growing exponentially huh [08:48]
mircea_popescu: btw, any interest in high tinkering book ? or anyone want any further books of any kind ? [08:49]
diana_coman: it won't do anything for me as I am above 400 [08:50]
mircea_popescu: i think it's up to 300 [08:50]
diana_coman: that was my understanding, yeah, hence …can't do anything with it [08:50]
mircea_popescu: so basiucally what we need now is for grena or daniel to loot any of the unhad skills and / or to reach 200 sacrifice [08:51]
mircea_popescu: also i guess if you manage 200 lapidary [08:51]
mircea_popescu: actually 200 farming, even better. [08:52]
diana_coman: by the looks of it I am not really sure the table survives long enough for me to get to 200 lapidary [08:53]
diana_coman: as for farming ..jesus how slow THAT grows [08:53]
diana_coman: ha, 280 pss from the 2nd ord [08:54]
diana_coman: not bad [08:54]
diana_coman: for farming tbh I think it really IS worth to pay and level up with books, lol [08:56]
diana_coman: so yeah, I'll get it to 200, but it will take a while [08:56]
diana_coman: anyways, mircea_popescu want 200 pss 152q? [08:57]
mircea_popescu: alright. [08:58]
mircea_popescu: 99560 [08:58]
diana_coman: yes, will let them go at 1.25 this time [08:59]
mircea_popescu: omaigerd price gouging! [08:59]
diana_coman: usually the non-farming I moved onto 1.3 due to ..me farmer! [08:59]
mircea_popescu: we gotta find a miner. [08:59]
mircea_popescu: thx [08:59]
diana_coman: well, I would gladly get the skill, sure [08:59]
diana_coman: but you know, any non-farming I do means even longer time to get farming to 200 [09:00]
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, you wanna buy some farming ords ? [09:02]
diana_coman: hmmm, depends what really [09:02]
mircea_popescu: i got 2 wwb and is ae farming ? [09:02]
diana_coman: I have some lined up and missing ingredients [09:02]
diana_coman: ae is mining [09:02]
mircea_popescu: a ok [09:02]
mircea_popescu: what ingredients ? [09:02]
diana_coman: and wwb needs canines :(( [09:02]
mircea_popescu: oh. [09:02]
diana_coman: I carry some of them around too but not feeling too good about using up all the canines I have + they are low q basically [09:03]
mircea_popescu: ya. [09:03]
diana_coman: so, got sortage to 10 in about ..mhm 15 min max [09:15]
diana_coman: quite curious: jurov, where are you with sortage? [09:15]
mircea_popescu: what are yo ucrafting ? [09:16]
diana_coman: slag [09:16]
diana_coman: thought jurov might use it afterwards with oil from you for instance [09:16]
diana_coman: it would give him overcraft anyway [09:16]
mircea_popescu: possibru [09:17]
mircea_popescu: well, 1 slag at q100 is ~3 hits from a hoe [09:17]
diana_coman: plus being close to the trainer [09:17]
mircea_popescu: ya [09:17]
mircea_popescu: o wow wait, now i'm not the only one with sortage anymore! [09:17]
mircea_popescu: *the realisation sinks in* [09:18]
diana_coman: uhm, yes? ha ha [09:18]
mircea_popescu: so i don't even HAVE to mine like, at all! [09:18]
diana_coman: but you were not the only one even before that [09:18]
diana_coman: daniel had it too [09:18]
mircea_popescu: yeah but i don't recall he ever selling any basics [09:18]
diana_coman: he did [09:18]
diana_coman: I bought some boulders from him [09:18]
mircea_popescu: a right, so did i! nice 280q [09:18]
diana_coman: I think he tended to ask for higher prices (i.e. \%) [09:18]
mircea_popescu: back from the days i was getting q350 myself [09:18]
diana_coman: and then his quality was anyway under yours so it did not make a lot of sense [09:18]
diana_coman: anyways, once I get this high enough, I have some patches on the map to fill [09:19]
diana_coman: and they are around basic resources [09:19]
diana_coman: big ones [09:19]
diana_coman: so will let it loose there [09:19]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you got high moss ? [13:35]
diana_coman: mhm, some, lemme check [13:35]
diana_coman: prolly could put together 1k somewhere around 147 [13:36]
diana_coman: any good? [13:36]
mircea_popescu: better than what i got sure. [13:37]
mircea_popescu: im making a large pile of dg. [13:37]
diana_coman: I have 578 moss at 144 that drags the rest down [13:37]
diana_coman: is the toothpaste done ? [13:37]
diana_coman: so not sure, do you want that 578 as such and the rest separate as it will be higher q? [13:38]
diana_coman: (150+) [13:38]
mircea_popescu: jurov oil's ready, at your convenience. we will be wanting 38 sharp and 152 flat slags. i'll be passing you 190 oil for this, it means you need 950 slag. [13:38]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nah is ok. [13:39]
mircea_popescu: and the ft is next in line. [13:39]
diana_coman: cool, need that to start making the sticks and then go and …use them [13:39]
diana_coman: lol [13:39]
diana_coman: you know, I have 7+ moss ordinaries [13:40]
diana_coman: they take…molluscs… [13:40]
diana_coman: maybe I get some from hanbot if I don't manage to find them yet [13:40]
mircea_popescu: so you want… 42 was it ? ima just make 55 or somesuch [13:40]
diana_coman: I think so [13:40]
diana_coman: ugh, I gotta go, will be back in 1 hr [13:40]
mircea_popescu: aw shit no srs [13:41]
mircea_popescu: which noob is around ? hanbot ? jurov ? anyone ? mod6 ? [13:41]
hanbot: i can get in game here 1 sec [13:43]
hanbot: (no dm yet diana_coman, will letcha know) [13:43]
mircea_popescu: alrighty ima have 4 sr ords for you to doig up [13:43]
hanbot: rightio. [13:43]
hanbot: i'm in town. [13:45]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ready for sm ? [13:46]
mircea_popescu: between the slag jurov needs and the 50 ft x 9 srs each x 5 sr each = 2.25k sr i need for diana's ft, we suddenly discovered a new sr issue. [14:24]
mircea_popescu: im tapped out. would want at least 5-10k to replenish my stocks. [14:25]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu got 1497 moss at 147q [14:37]
diana_coman: you around? [14:38]
mircea_popescu: ya [14:43]
mircea_popescu: hit me diana_coman [14:43]
diana_coman: ok, coming back to town in 1 min [14:44]
mircea_popescu: ty [14:45]
diana_coman: toothpaste ready? [14:45]
mircea_popescu: see the chat. atm working to get together the 2k sr needed for srs. [14:46]
diana_coman: oh :( [14:46]
diana_coman: oh well, will go mining for now then [14:46]
mircea_popescu: unless you want to do some cooking ? [14:47]
diana_coman: I do [14:47]
diana_coman: if you have a samovar too [14:47]
mircea_popescu: then let's see here… [14:47]
mircea_popescu: oh dang [14:47]
mircea_popescu: if you use the samovar no ft. [14:47]
diana_coman: so then not now [14:47]
mircea_popescu: nm. wiating on jurov, this line [14:47]
diana_coman: my cooking can wait [14:47]
mircea_popescu: kk [14:47]
diana_coman: now curious though whether the recent surge in sortage all around doesn't *still* bring the quality down anyway [14:50]
diana_coman: lol [14:50]
diana_coman: will see, I guess [14:50]
mircea_popescu: prolly should [14:53]
lobbes: http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html#t13:37:20 << mircea_popescu: I will add this to teh list :) [15:03]
lobbesbot: Title: #Eulora log for Monday, 2015-11-02 (at logs.minigame.bz) [15:03]
lobbes: (In addition to the bot announcing the line from the logs vs the title) ^ [15:03]
mircea_popescu: btw, you ever gonna get in game ? i got some itams with your name on 'em [15:04]
lobbes: been meaning to. Perhaps I'll jump on this weekend if you've got some stuff in mind [15:04]
mircea_popescu: well i figure you should get some scratch for the nice bot work. [15:05]
hanbot: heh mircea_popescu i just tapped one of your sr ordinaries for 13k [15:23]
mircea_popescu: oooo [15:25]
mircea_popescu: alll my problems… are behind meee now [15:25]
mircea_popescu: just a shadow of what they used to be … [15:25]
mircea_popescu: i guess ima be making some motherfuckin slag :D [15:25]
hanbot: actually, 13879, moar like 14k [15:25]
mircea_popescu: jurov : all on flotsam plox, i got all the sr i could possibly want now lol [15:25]
jurov: ok. diana_coman, 102 ppb done [15:57]
jurov: bot managed it fine…except it did not train sortage [15:57]
mircea_popescu: lol she's getting ppb from all directions ? [15:59]
mircea_popescu: incidentally : if you have 102 low ppb maybe she should make me 34 ft to go with it… for which i am now able to provide the srs [16:00]
mircea_popescu: so ill make 40k+ cs [16:00]
mircea_popescu: ie 1.3mn worth of cs [16:00]
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> lol she's getting ppb from all directions ? <- he he, pretty much [16:14]
diana_coman: but yes jurov, you are better off selling it to mircea [16:14]
diana_coman: so go ahead [16:14]
diana_coman: I'm fine with that [16:14]
diana_coman: I'll make the low q toothpaste for him too and he'll make some sticks too [16:15]
diana_coman: I'll make mine with his toothpaste and ppb [16:15]
diana_coman: <hanbot> actually, 13879, moar like 14k <- congrats! [16:15]
mircea_popescu: was epic [16:16]
mircea_popescu: you still around jurov [16:16]
diana_coman: <jurov> bot managed it fine…except it did not train sortage <- hmm, why is that? [16:16]
diana_coman: did it still get overweight? [16:16]
diana_coman: ahahaha, so I already get higher q on basics than on groceries – LE sigh [16:17]
mircea_popescu: lol [16:17]
diana_coman: the weirdest thing though is that I have however HIGHER farming skill than sortage! [16:18]
diana_coman: guess it's not as direct as that… [16:18]
jurov: no was not overweight at all. [16:39]
diana_coman: did it say anything? did it even try to train? [17:18]
jurov: does it log what's doing to file? [17:33]
diana_coman: mhm, just the crafting stuff- I meant in its window [17:37]
diana_coman: or in the chat log really [17:37]
diana_coman: if it attempted to train [17:37]
diana_coman: you should find in the chat logs some failure msgs [17:38]
mircea_popescu: 100 acg at 383q and i got diddly squat [17:38]
mircea_popescu: god damned it [17:38]
diana_coman: such as "trainer not in range" [17:38]
diana_coman: ha mircea_popescu [17:38]
diana_coman: I even got used to that, lol [17:38]
mircea_popescu: ;calc 100* 1.8*7254 [17:39]
diana_coman: now I am admiring the evidence that exploring is a shitty way of levelling up on farming/sortage and the like [17:39]
mircea_popescu: 1.3mn [17:39]
mircea_popescu: incidentally : i need some low boulders if anyone's selling. [18:23]
mircea_popescu: and in other news : tinkering 206q nao! [18:23]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> btw, any interest in high tinkering book ? or anyone want any further books of any kind ? << i'll take a gung-ho [18:30]
hanbot: yeah mircea_popescu i'd like a gung-hu gumbo alsoh [18:33]
mircea_popescu: alrighty will make these [18:52]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you around for your stuff ? [18:52]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman 50 ft in the pipeline. [20:00]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> incidentally : i need some low boulders if anyone's selling. << i have 3.5k at 126 quality [20:23]
mircea_popescu: word. how much ? [20:25]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ? [20:25]
danielpbarron: 350k for the lot [20:25]
mircea_popescu: deal. [20:26]
mircea_popescu: meet me in town i got a lot of other shit for you. [20:26]

November 1, 2015

#eulora Logs for 01 Nov 2015

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am
diana_coman: ha, found crumbly rock! [02:11]
mircea_popescu: wow! [02:12]
mircea_popescu: well the fuck done! it's only been what… months ? [02:12]
mircea_popescu: 6 [02:12]
diana_coman: yeah, I was pissed off it stopped at 2 am for a missing claim (some stupid delays again not sure why) [02:13]
diana_coman: and then I see the cr [02:13]
diana_coman: lol [02:13]
mircea_popescu: sweet. [02:13]
mircea_popescu: so as you can see… it was there all along :D [02:13]
mircea_popescu: the ancient problem of "there's 100 balls in a sack, pick three, guess what kinds of balls are in there" [02:13]
diana_coman: very very flat-to-be balls :D [02:13]
mircea_popescu: lol [02:14]
diana_coman: anyway, this at least means we don't get stuck without goop [02:15]
mircea_popescu: so what kind did you want, list sup ? [02:15]
mircea_popescu: hey, i was selling goop anyway. [02:15]
diana_coman: me? [02:15]
mircea_popescu: someone [02:15]
diana_coman: yeah, you were selling it at a big price because cr is not found [02:16]
mircea_popescu: ah yeah, ima have to drop it some now huh. [02:16]
mircea_popescu: aaand i just got… 380 murky delight sups from m,aking my first one. [02:25]
mircea_popescu: jsut about 2mn\ [02:26]
diana_coman: oh wow, congrats [02:28]
mircea_popescu: and the irony is… i only had maybe 12 points of q over it. [02:30]
mircea_popescu: ie my bundle is 197 [02:30]
diana_coman: lol [02:35]
jurov: diana_coman: congrats, where? [05:25]
jurov: ah, found it [05:38]
jurov: but looks like it needs good tools, barehanded finding things around it but not cr [06:23]
diana_coman: lol jurov [08:07]
diana_coman: fwiw I found it with a basic hoe [08:09]
mircea_popescu: heya [10:47]
diana_coman: hi [11:07]
diana_coman: any ppb and toothpaste for me, mircea_popescu? [11:07]
mircea_popescu: nope, not yet. halfway through toolkit craft. [11:07]
diana_coman: oh, did that get stuck at some point? [11:08]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i shall be auctioning today : [11:08]
mircea_popescu: package 1 : 3 murky delight supplications + 9 murky somethings ; [11:08]
diana_coman: the murky package [11:08]
mircea_popescu: package 2 : 3 mysterious rock supplications + 9 rocks ; [11:09]
mircea_popescu: package 3 : 4k CFT, q 203 iirc. [11:09]
mircea_popescu: package 4 : 5k LBN [11:09]
mircea_popescu: package 5 : 100 imp hoes, q ~29k ea [11:09]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah, it stopped after making 7 because it didn't have enough cordage. dumbass weight limits you know, you click and you don't notice it took out 7 instead of the 22 you wanted. [11:10]
diana_coman: oh, sucks [11:10]
diana_coman: do you plan to make the leather/moss/berries/whatevs supps too? [11:11]
mircea_popescu: i don't have drafts. [11:12]
mircea_popescu: nor enums really. [11:12]
diana_coman: they take tiny and small enums as far as I know, but don't recall in what numbers to put up some packages [11:12]
diana_coman: that's the thing: I have the enums, prolly daniel also has (if not even more since he has been gathering specifically for this without building any claims) [11:12]
mircea_popescu: so you selling them ? [11:13]
diana_coman: so I guess I'll auction some package of enums [11:13]
diana_coman: of course, why not [11:13]
mircea_popescu: alright. [11:13]
diana_coman: I would want some bps of those supps too, but tbh if you plan to make them and people want highest q possible then there's no point in me making them too [11:13]
diana_coman: or not right now [11:14]
mircea_popescu: course, considering the little bit of history that's on record consists of 6 leather sups going for 10k [11:14]
mircea_popescu: im not so sure it's worth teh hassle. [11:14]
diana_coman: those were q 59 though [11:14]
mircea_popescu: ah there is that. [11:14]
mircea_popescu: mine come out ~190 atm [11:14]
diana_coman: but yeah, they are not as valuable as the other ones, certainly [11:14]
diana_coman: those were made by birdman [11:14]
mircea_popescu: aha [11:14]
diana_coman: even mine would be at least 160 as far as I know [11:14]
mircea_popescu: funny how people take eulora in spells. [11:14]
mircea_popescu: yeah you got pretty high book qual huh [11:15]
mircea_popescu: which is weird because i have skills so much higher than you i thought [11:15]
diana_coman: oh, will there be the sortage book? [11:15]
diana_coman: or is there still? [11:15]
mircea_popescu: well, im getting this and cooking and i udn recall what, [11:15]
mircea_popescu: so prolly next week. [11:15]
diana_coman: well, you do, I mean 30 points in q from 160 to 190 are quite something in fact [11:15]
diana_coman: awwww, want those boooooooks, lol [11:16]
diana_coman: fuck cooking [11:16]
diana_coman: who wants to stay glued to a samovar when there are maps to do? [11:16]
diana_coman: anyways, are you up for some ord building later today (in about 3.5hrs) ? [11:17]
diana_coman: I have 1 ord crumbly rock I'd want built [11:17]
diana_coman: and I can give you another ord, will check (let me know if there is something specific you want) [11:17]
diana_coman: I have a load of ord bird's nest :p [11:18]
diana_coman: oh, and when you said you wanted "snails" did you actually mean eps or …molluscs? [11:18]
mircea_popescu: well, once im done with all the humongo craft backlog, sure. [11:19]
mircea_popescu: gotta do jurov's tools first. [11:19]
mircea_popescu: and i meant eps and mollusc. [11:20]
diana_coman: it can wait, no hurry with the building (other than my inventory getting full, geez, will make craft-tables to cart things around) [11:22]
mircea_popescu: lmao [11:22]
mircea_popescu: we're getting damned rich. [11:23]
diana_coman: well, it's kind of rich but not accessible yet in some sense [11:23]
diana_coman: I mean: I have 5 remarkables of grass or some such [11:23]
diana_coman: and I can't build even 1 [11:23]
diana_coman: not to mention the wm remarkable [11:23]
diana_coman: so hmmm, could auction 100 tlc and 50 eps, guess that'll have to do for now [11:24]
mircea_popescu: ok so let's see here. diana has the tinkering 1, gathering 1 books. and i have tinkiering 200. [11:25]
diana_coman: I should have the building 1 too, no? [11:25]
mircea_popescu: do you ? [11:25]
mircea_popescu: i thought so, yes. [11:25]
diana_coman: all the basic skills, basic levels …basically [11:25]
diana_coman: lol [11:25]
mircea_popescu: but do you actually have the book in question [11:26]
diana_coman: oh, let me see [11:26]
diana_coman: mhm, seems I don't [11:26]
mircea_popescu: ok. so you're gonna get the 100 bu book ; daniel gets the 200 gatherer book. [11:28]
mircea_popescu: and i will get sortage, cook, book and mcguyver 100 + tinkering 600! [11:29]
diana_coman: need another shelf there or something [11:29]
mircea_popescu: lol. [11:30]
mircea_popescu: anyway, working to get all this in there. will proilly need a server reset. [11:31]
diana_coman: ok [11:31]
mircea_popescu: be a while tho. [11:32]
diana_coman: is going through the stash of enums… [11:32]
diana_coman: hi hanbot, do you have any molluscs ? [11:39]
hanbot: nope [11:40]
diana_coman: what's your plan re supps, are you after highest q possible? [11:41]
diana_coman: on both low-end ones (those on auction today) and high-end ones? [11:41]
hanbot: all qs for now, 'til i figure out what's what. [11:43]
diana_coman: ahaha going a bit through all the mining data and apparently I (bot) explored with pretty much anything around – even a purple snail! [12:11]
mircea_popescu: ha! [12:13]
mircea_popescu: lmao [12:13]
mircea_popescu: in other news, a total of 7 books + bundles/mysteries, + their crafting etc getting added to the ever more complex server. [12:14]
mircea_popescu: and there will be a renaming (but not rebasing) of existing skill stuff. [12:14]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> and there will be a renaming (but not rebasing) of existing skill stuff <- what does that mean? [12:18]
mircea_popescu: that just names change ? [12:19]
diana_coman: ok, guess that's fine to wait and see then if it's names only [12:19]
mircea_popescu: lol and if it weren't ? :D [12:20]
diana_coman: I'd ask some more at least, lol [12:20]
diana_coman: tbh the "skill stuff" just threw me over as in: wtf is that? lol [12:21]
diana_coman: anyways, do I have time for a chetty stick or is reset looming? [12:22]
mircea_popescu: prolly half hour [12:22]
diana_coman: oh, cool [12:23]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman btw want these 5 toolkits ? [12:39]
diana_coman: yes [12:39]
mircea_popescu: ok i can trade in ~30s [12:39]
diana_coman: let me come to tonw [12:39]
diana_coman: town [12:39]
diana_coman: trade? [12:41]
mircea_popescu: well not done yet, 1 sec [12:41]
diana_coman: kk [12:41]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ok so they came out 126k and change [12:42]
diana_coman: ok [12:42]
mircea_popescu: 875k the lot, trade me nao [12:42]
diana_coman: I need to wait it says, lol [12:42]
mircea_popescu: you impetuous girl you :p [12:43]
diana_coman: got change? [12:43]
mircea_popescu: just this. got 50 argents ? [12:43]
diana_coman: uhm, no [12:43]
mircea_popescu: surcharged. [12:44]
diana_coman: lolz, then logically I am better off going to the bank [12:44]
mircea_popescu: btw danielpbarron lemme know when you wanna pick up your set [12:44]
diana_coman: will keep 5k on the books :p [12:44]
mircea_popescu: well technically you are better off not giving a shit, seeing how 1k copper ~= 0 cents. [12:44]
diana_coman: 1more.. [12:45]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha ok [12:45]
diana_coman: thanks [12:45]
mircea_popescu: mt pleasure. [12:45]
mircea_popescu: getting ready to start the auction over here, mod6 jurov danielpbarron hanbot diana_coman whoever else is interested! [13:05]
mircea_popescu: server going down for a reset nao. [13:06]
mod6: oh. [13:13]
mod6: auction. ok! [13:14]
mircea_popescu: and we're back [13:14]
DianaComan: uhm, my client doesn't want to connect now for some reason [13:15]
mircea_popescu: whyssat ? [13:15]
DianaComan: it goes seg fault [13:15]
DianaComan: let me try once more and otherwise will get a dump or something [13:15]
DianaComan: phew [13:18]
DianaComan: made it [13:18]
DianaComan: it's again something to do with the logs [13:18]
DianaComan: gotta find some time and go through that logging part from the original client and solve this as it's not something to ship in the new version for sure [13:21]
jurov: there's going to be auction today? [13:39]
mircea_popescu: ongoing jurov [13:40]
jurov: DianaComan: if you use macros like Debug8 iirc i found a bug there [13:48]
DianaComan: no, I use the logging to files part [13:48]
DianaComan: and it seems to crash when the files are above a limit [13:48]
DianaComan: theoretically it "handles" that [13:48]
DianaComan: by having a set of files and rotating them [13:48]
jurov: ic [13:48]
DianaComan: in practice it handles it by…crashing [13:48]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu? [14:08]
DianaComan: uhm, I'll be back in 30 minutes to deliver the clovers if you are in, mircea_popescu [14:11]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu I'm back [14:46]
mircea_popescu: hola. [14:46]
DianaComan: hanbot do you want any enums for those supp drafts you got? [14:47]
mircea_popescu: wow this auction took over an hour huh. [14:50]
DianaComan: jurov: using more than 2 tools with the bot: put one in hand and otherwise have in inventory a pile of good ones (same type as one in hand) [14:50]
mircea_popescu: lotta trade. [14:50]
DianaComan: when the one in hand is spent, the bot will take another one from the pile [14:50]
jurov: it won't stack them? [14:50]
DianaComan: the only caveat: make sure that the pile of good tools comes first in inventory [14:50]
DianaComan: no [14:50]
mircea_popescu: btw : next sunday I will ALSO sell 100k imp hoes, cft, lbn. [14:50]
DianaComan: it puts the spent one to a slot of its own [14:50]
jurov: ok, that was the problem, it equipped previously worn tool [14:51]
mircea_popescu: as well as murky and rock packages. [14:51]
DianaComan: the only possible trouble is if there is a spent tool in inventory before the good ones as it will take that instead and then you basically keep changing for ever [14:51]
DianaComan: it doesn't check for quality [14:51]
DianaComan: it just takes the first tool of that type that it finds in inventory [14:51]
DianaComan: so just put the pile of good ones in first slot and you are 100\% sure it's good to go [14:52]
DianaComan: yeah mircea_popescu quite the hour and basically there was more [14:54]
mircea_popescu: sadly my power went out ;/. [14:54]
DianaComan: trouble is that's an awkward hour for me so I could barely hang out [14:54]
mircea_popescu: o.o [14:55]
mircea_popescu: listen, it got moved to this specifically because the OTHER time was awkward for you. [14:55]
DianaComan: that was funny as you won the auction and then promptly…vanished [14:55]
DianaComan: oh my [14:55]
hanbot: y yo tambien, bsas power for the fail [14:55]
DianaComan: the later hour was getting past midnight, true [14:55]
mircea_popescu: oh all over the place huh hanbot ? [14:55]
hanbot: apparently [14:55]
DianaComan: basically from 7.30pm on I'm absolutely happy [14:56]
mircea_popescu: … [14:56]
mircea_popescu: so then ? [14:56]
DianaComan: but 6pm is the time when everybody runs around this house, lol [14:56]
mircea_popescu: yeah well. [14:56]
DianaComan: just saying why I got to run for the half hour, that's all [14:57]
DianaComan: anyways, thanks for moving it earlier for sure [14:58]
DianaComan: I'm not complaining about that [14:58]
mircea_popescu: anyway, hopefully someone auctions some dm and md next week, because otherwise…. hmmm. [14:59]
DianaComan: well, at least hanbot should get some now from the leather supps if I understand anything about the altar [14:59]
DianaComan: no? [14:59]
mircea_popescu: i think so [14:59]
hanbot: happened before, anyway [14:59]
DianaComan: and hanbot, ping me if you want leather enums tiny+small [14:59]
mircea_popescu: you sold her 5 iirc ? [14:59]
mircea_popescu: and she made just enough md to make 2 us [14:59]
mircea_popescu: so maybe out of 3 she gets enough for 1 more which would help [15:00]
hanbot: DianaComan i'ma hunt enums myself, ty tho [15:00]
DianaComan: as you wish hanbot, just take into account that the enums have quality too [15:00]
hanbot: you mean dm, i didn't get any md [15:00]
mircea_popescu: right. [15:00]
hanbot: DianaComan sure thing. for now am just exploring the craft line, i'll worry about getting it tight&efficient once my head's on straight ;) [15:02]
DianaComan: anybody wants 100 eps at 149q, 80k coppers? [15:04]
mircea_popescu: mmm\ [15:05]
mircea_popescu: yeah, ill take em [15:05]
DianaComan: ok [15:05]
mircea_popescu: i only have 7 coins! [15:06]
mircea_popescu: owe you 10k DianaComan ? [15:06]
DianaComan: k [15:06]
mircea_popescu: ty [15:06]
DianaComan: funny how it feels like a recreation of the sunday market things [15:06]
mircea_popescu: mhm lol [15:06]
DianaComan: and how it's faster to sell the stuff than update the shop page, lolz [15:06]
mircea_popescu: haha [15:07]
mircea_popescu: how do you mean jurov ? [15:07]
DianaComan: well, isn't it? everybody runs around otherwise, but on Sunday there's the meetup and people buy and sell stuff, lolz [15:07]
mircea_popescu: yeah, very medieval-like. [15:07]
jurov: mircea_popescu: the non-improved tools [15:07]
mircea_popescu: what about them ? [15:07]
jurov: you wanted to seel them to me? [15:08]
jurov: *sell [15:08]
mircea_popescu: i do but they're not ready yet! [15:08]
jurov: ahhhh ok [15:08]
jurov: :D [15:08]
mircea_popescu: my queue currently is like this : 7 more toolkits, then your tools, [15:08]
DianaComan: and sadly no ppb +toothpaste either, right? [15:08]
mircea_popescu: then ppb, then toothpaste, then making the various books [15:08]
DianaComan: well, on the bright side, the quality has some time to go up again :p [15:08]
DianaComan: so keep busy [15:08]
DianaComan: stay away from mining! [15:08]
DianaComan: :D [15:08]
mircea_popescu: lol i haven't had time to mine in 3 days [15:08]
DianaComan: and it feels! [15:08]
DianaComan: good I mean [15:09]
mircea_popescu: lol [15:09]
mircea_popescu: anyway jurov should be maybe 3-4 hours. [15:09]
DianaComan: so mircea_popescu will you make a sortage book anytime soon? sell it? [15:10]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan yeah, that's the last item in queue. [15:10]
DianaComan: kk [15:10]
mircea_popescu: i can make mcguy, cooking, booq, sortage and high level (<300) tinkering [15:10]
mircea_popescu: who wants what ? [15:10]
DianaComan: I want sortage and cooking [15:11]
DianaComan: in that order, lol [15:11]
jurov: me too, same [15:11]
mircea_popescu: alrighty. anyone else ? [15:11]
DianaComan: the tinkering one wouldn't do anything for me unfortunately [15:11]
DianaComan: nor the mcguy or bouq [15:11]
mircea_popescu: well so far ima make 2 each and we'll see. [15:12]
mircea_popescu: fortunately i have a large pile of cp pre-made so thaty'll save some time [15:12]
DianaComan: wonders whether it's like …one needs to eat 50 books and if they are lucky they get the skill :p [15:12]
mircea_popescu: why, is one dumb ? :D [15:12]
DianaComan: mhm, euloran? [15:13]
DianaComan: lolz [15:13]
mircea_popescu: lol [15:13]
mircea_popescu: anyway, dunno what ima chage on em, 100k each maybe ? [15:13]
DianaComan: I'll pay that for sortage and cooking at this stage [15:14]
mircea_popescu: should be reasonable. [15:14]
DianaComan: guess I should do some shredding too, huh [15:14]
mircea_popescu: whyssat ? [15:14]
DianaComan: tbh I have some books on sale at 35k (tink 100 and gathering 100) [15:14]
DianaComan: but that's a minimum, admittedly [15:15]
DianaComan: maybe I get some bps? [15:15]
mircea_popescu: ah, book bps only drop from the bp in question [15:15]
mircea_popescu: so careful what you do with your 3. [15:15]
DianaComan: oh [15:16]
DianaComan: good to know, then that's out of the way, will get my theodolite-made-out-of-solid-branches and run for the hills [15:18]
DianaComan: ha ha, that was weird: made my book, got some more bps but then the table was…empty [15:31]
DianaComan: had to open it again for the book to show [15:31]
mircea_popescu: mystical boo [16:18]
mircea_popescu: k [16:18]
DianaComan: ouch, got the heatmap, rounded for integer locations and still… it turns out that there are at most 3 failed attempts with a tool (any tool) at a single point (gotta say that I discarded all points where something was found so this is only about failed stuff) [16:39]
jurov: they need superior improved chetty stick [16:44]
DianaComan: ha ha, no jurov, my sadness is precisely because there aren't any with ….10 failed attempts [16:45]
DianaComan: or something like that [16:45]
DianaComan: as I'd go there with a chetty stick in a sec [16:45]
DianaComan: still, guess 3 is at least something [16:46]
mircea_popescu: i would say even 100 failed attempts is uninformative. [16:52]
mircea_popescu: by the simplest of math : 100 hoe tries decay ~17k. 1 chetty stick decay = 20k [16:53]
mircea_popescu: also, anyone have very low q slag to sell me ? and also low q flotsam ? [16:54]
jurov: iirc i still have 300 flotsams [17:00]
jurov: yes, 360 q 77 [17:03]
DianaComan: uhm, given that in all other places (which are NOT few) there was something found with far less than 100 tries, I'd rather say it is informative [17:04]
DianaComan: sure, it might still be some basic resource [17:05]
DianaComan: but I'd risk that gladly, lol [17:05]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan a) you never found cr until now ; b) bubble ? [17:05]
DianaComan: the cr was not found because that area has not been even explored! [17:05]
DianaComan: so : no tries there [17:06]
mircea_popescu: o really ? [17:06]
DianaComan: yes [17:06]
DianaComan: as simple as that [17:06]
mircea_popescu: so it does find as easy as say sr ? [17:06]
DianaComan: I would say so, I did not mine much as no sortage [17:06]
mircea_popescu: aok then [17:06]
jurov: i *did* prospect there [17:06]
DianaComan: but I mined a bit and I found claims reliably (with a hoe) [17:06]
jurov: but same then as now, found only other stuff [17:06]
DianaComan: so what did you do jurov exactly? [17:07]
DianaComan: you mean really around the ordinary? [17:07]
DianaComan: like really there? [17:07]
jurov: yes [17:07]
DianaComan: I think it's not a huge patch [17:07]
DianaComan: uhm, weird [17:07]
jurov: but barehaded [17:07]
DianaComan: oh well [17:07]
DianaComan: barehanded… [17:07]
DianaComan: what, you find now sr barehanded? [17:07]
DianaComan: like reliably I mean [17:07]
jurov: "reliably" 40 flotsam in 500 tries, sr similar [17:08]
DianaComan: re bubble mircea_popescu I noticed it was under mining, but I did not even know it was a harvestable until I saw the category when I got it [17:08]
DianaComan: so did you do 500 tries there and did not find cr? [17:08]
jurov: about 200 [17:08]
DianaComan: I dropped entirely the barehanded tries to be honest from ANY analysis [17:08]
DianaComan: as I can't really see their point [17:08]
mircea_popescu: well if nothing else, to evaluate their value [17:09]
DianaComan: uhm, so 200 really just next to the ordinary and you found something else? [17:09]
DianaComan: guess I could do that mircea_popescu but it somehow seems at the very end of the list [17:09]
DianaComan: or like 200 in a line? [17:09]
DianaComan: as then you surely went out of the area [17:10]
jurov: i spread out on whole hilltop in about 10*20 lines [17:10]
jurov: if it's small patch as you say, no wonder [17:11]
mircea_popescu: i for one am just glad it was found. [17:11]
DianaComan: it is a small patch from what I can see on my map (given I have other stuff all around , NOT that I purposefully established the exact size/shape of patch) [17:11]
mircea_popescu: so now the basics are 100\% known are they [17:11]
DianaComan: I think so [17:12]
mircea_popescu: cool beans. [17:12]
DianaComan: thing is: I really start needing those that are not found yet :p [17:12]
jurov: mircea_popescu: want the flotsam? or later? [17:12]
DianaComan: re slag: I'll gladly make about tons of it [17:12]
DianaComan: but….as soon as I get sortage [17:13]
jurov: he wants low q [17:13]
jurov: not sure if lower than mine (~80) [17:13]
mircea_popescu: jurov later, and more. [17:13]
mircea_popescu: and sr too! [17:13]
DianaComan: I'm sure yours is good [17:13]
DianaComan: jurov, do you buy your flotsam and /or sr from mp at 25\% on top of base value adjusted for q? [17:14]
mircea_popescu: DianaComan the sticks are coming out 204. [17:14]
DianaComan: ? [17:14]
DianaComan: you mean ppb? [17:14]
mircea_popescu: ya [17:14]
DianaComan: great [17:14]
jurov: DianaComan: i think so, have not checked recently [17:15]
jurov: i just throw into the basket and swipe the card [17:15]
jurov: gotta make myself quickref card or something with all these numbers and formulas soon [17:16]
DianaComan: I guess I'll sell mine at 20\% given that it's lower q – it should still give decent overcraft even now and esp with sortage when I'll start really mining for it (and cover finally those empty patches of the map in the area of basic resources mainly) [17:17]
DianaComan: will see [17:17]
DianaComan: I know what you mean jurov, I'm quite sure I'll soon get so fed up with this part that I'll finally make a calc option for the bot [17:18]
DianaComan: and then prolly that trade thing mircea wanted anyway :p [17:18]
DianaComan: but ugh [17:18]
jurov: and what exactly can i expect if that sortage book works? [17:19]
DianaComan: what do you mean? [17:19]
DianaComan: to have the sortage skill [17:19]
jurov: what sortage does? [17:19]
DianaComan: oh, you get higher q on basic resources [17:19]
DianaComan: when you mine/build them [17:19]
DianaComan: so basically your building skill gives you the "base" q as it were [17:19]
DianaComan: and then different skills work on category of resources [17:19]
DianaComan: sortage works on basic resources [17:19]
DianaComan: farming works on groceries [17:20]
DianaComan: etc [17:20]
mircea_popescu: jurov yup you';ve been payin 125\% on qadjusted. [17:25]
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jurov: is homing in on cr hotspot, going quite well this time [18:46]
mircea_popescu: ha, who's rio again ? [19:51]
jurov: rio? [19:52]
mircea_popescu: new player [19:52]
jurov: prolly Namworld [19:53]
jurov: no idea [19:53]
mircea_popescu: gotta give him a starter pack [19:53]
jurov: gabrielradio: you're "Rio"? [19:55]
gabrielradio: yup [19:56]
mircea_popescu: ah, trade me in game, ima give you some starter items. [19:57]
gabrielradio: right away [19:57]
mircea_popescu: need 1 minute to finish this craft [19:57]
gabrielradio: i guess i should dig through the logs, find ways of making the learning curve easier [20:00]
mircea_popescu: there's also a wiki. [20:00]
mircea_popescu: trade me. [20:00]
gabrielradio: ah, the wiki is what i was actually looking for [20:04]
jurov: gabrielradio, if you want to buy coppers, ask me [20:04]
mircea_popescu: btw jurov do you quote to buy and to sell or just to sell ? [20:05]
gabrielradio: roger [20:05]
jurov: actually, both, at 1:1 [20:06]
jurov: going off, tmrw [20:08]
mircea_popescu: a hey [20:08]
jurov: yes? [20:08]
mircea_popescu: no just saying, cool. [20:09]
jurov: you're first to ask about selling coppers :) [20:10]
jurov: and now i realized i was in fact thinking of declaring player's bought coppers as S.MG profit (see my trilema comment) [20:13]
jurov: which yes, would be dubious [20:13]
mircea_popescu: i could do it, technically, but i dun want to. [20:14]
mircea_popescu: (answered your comment btw) [20:14]

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