#eulora Logs for 29 Nov 2015



November 29th, 2015 by Diana Coman
birdman_: danielpbarron: keep me posted on thread auction times please, not sure what my schedule for the day is [07:03]
diana_coman: birdman_ I still sell some of my threads (at 155q) same as last time if you want them [07:13]
birdman_: ok thanks [07:15]
birdman_: diana if you would make gathering skill books id probably be interested [07:26]
danielpbarron: speaking of which, diana_coman how much for rastrums? [08:08]
mircea_popescu: still same 6pm gmt iirc ? [08:11]
mircea_popescu: now mining eps, is as happy as can be. [08:17]
mircea_popescu: i always wanted to dig up these cute suckers. had never any hope i might be the one to do it. [08:17]
mircea_popescu: ftr, i found eps q 111 and sg q 107. [08:20]
mircea_popescu: lumberjack lvl 1 [08:20]
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/eulorian/status/670827066779172864 <<< haha [08:38]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulorian Elder on Twitter: "I exploited some noob labor to get 341 low quality leaky treebark flasks. Made a profit of 850k copper. (in the form of looted blueprints)" (at twitter.com) [08:38]
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEgelTQ0KJYS5CJdGEyU2QA [08:40]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulorian Elder - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) [08:40]
mircea_popescu: ima link these from the report. [08:41]
mircea_popescu: and lvl 3 gives me q 117 [08:43]
mircea_popescu: so that's 6 q for 2 levels gained [08:43]
jurov: danielpbarron: how did you value the bps? [08:45]
danielpbarron: jurov, base [08:58]
mircea_popescu: that's pretty impressive. [09:13]
mircea_popescu: holy shit ordinary eps [09:13]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you selling any of the high q molluscs ? [09:14]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> and lvl 3 gives me q 117 <- I suspect it goes downhill from there or something is really weird [09:37]
mircea_popescu: must be. [09:37]
danielpbarron: not really, but maybe if offered enough [10:11]
mircea_popescu: well i need them to dig up eps. how many q 120ish eps you want for 1 ? [10:13]
mircea_popescu: and level 6 is q 126 [10:28]
mircea_popescu: so that's another 3 q per level. [10:29]
diana_coman: uhm, so level 6 is 126 and level 60 is 133? .... [11:30]
diana_coman: not to mention the gathering [11:30]
diana_coman: make that 131 now [11:30]
diana_coman: apparently your levelling lumberjack up lowers the quality of my groceries, lol [11:30]
diana_coman: lvl 52 I meant [11:31]
diana_coman: 52 levels for ...20 quality points, kind of pointless [11:32]
mircea_popescu: weird. [11:36]
mircea_popescu: o but wait. what's your building at ? [11:36]
diana_coman: 385 [11:40]
mircea_popescu: my buyilding is only [11:40]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha!~ [11:40]
mircea_popescu: 358! [11:40]
diana_coman: as I said: kind of pointless apparently [11:40]
mircea_popescu: i thought maybe the reason is that my building being a lot smaller, the lumberjack has a much larger impact than i nyou case [11:41]
mircea_popescu: what's your gathering ? [11:41]
diana_coman: 425 [11:41]
mircea_popescu: 287 here. [11:41]
mircea_popescu: see, it is possible that i am getting more from lj as a relative impact because lower these two [11:41]
diana_coman: uhm, no idea how that would work [11:41]
mircea_popescu: also im pretty certain q is not linear from what i've seen, meaning that 111-121 is not the same as 121-131 [11:41]
diana_coman: yes, it is certainly not linear [11:42]
diana_coman: and tbh I suspect that if I manage to distance myself significantly more (as in 150 points more or whatever) I'll start seeing the q going up quicker [11:42]
diana_coman: then again, as soon as someone else gets closer, it will also drop like crazy [11:42]
mircea_popescu: hm [11:42]
diana_coman: this has been the xp before really [11:43]
diana_coman: but I don't get it why would you get more on lj if your gathering is lower? [11:43]
mircea_popescu: well ima try to get 200 lj before the 6 months are out and see what that does [11:43]
diana_coman: can you rank that up with any crafting ? [11:43]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman no what i mean is : the impact of lj on my q might be larger than the impact of your lj on your quality [11:43]
mircea_popescu: because of your higher other skills [11:43]
mircea_popescu: if you can i've not found it yet. [11:43]
diana_coman: hmmmm, basically you'd need some tinkering bps with lumber ingredients [11:44]
diana_coman: aren't there any? [11:44]
mircea_popescu: ppb [11:44]
mircea_popescu: sadly i just finished making a shitton of pph before getting the lj / [11:44]
diana_coman: uhm, no [11:44]
mircea_popescu: that's oh [11:44]
diana_coman: sb is basic isn't it? [11:44]
mircea_popescu: yeah i was thinking wood for some reason [11:44]
diana_coman: more likely flasks maybe? [11:44]
diana_coman: or oil? [11:44]
mircea_popescu: ibs and cft [11:44]
mircea_popescu: oil has some wm in it yes, but like 10\% [11:45]
diana_coman: ibs is mcguyver, no? [11:45]
mircea_popescu: nah [11:45]
diana_coman: ah, it has been moved to tinkering, true [11:45]
mircea_popescu: anyone need snails btw ? [11:45]
diana_coman: so then that's prolly the best thing to rank up [11:45]
diana_coman: lolz, you are buying eps now? [11:45]
mircea_popescu: selling. [11:45]
diana_coman: ah, I read that weirdly [11:45]
mircea_popescu: i've basically decided to move my haunt from the grass spot to eps. [11:46]
mircea_popescu: which does kinda mean unless someone starts digging shittons of grass we'll be out of cft in short order. [11:46]
diana_coman: ha ha, but yes, I have loads of wwb and leather because of that kind of strategy [11:46]
diana_coman: still atm I am trying to get building to 400 first [11:47]
diana_coman: and then the map really [11:47]
diana_coman: which means that I can't really build ONLY farming anyway [11:47]
mircea_popescu: im buying leather btw [11:47]
mircea_popescu: how much you got ? [11:47]
diana_coman: I'll check next time I'm in town [11:47]
mircea_popescu: berries also. [11:47]
diana_coman: kk, will check and get back [11:47]
mircea_popescu: cool [11:47]
mircea_popescu: also auction in ~1 hr ftr. [11:48]
diana_coman: ah, almost forgot that one, lol [11:48]
mircea_popescu: lol! [11:54]
mircea_popescu: i was thinking "eh no wai it's worth saying anything, there's just no way people forget after last time, you'll just sound like an annoying nag" [11:54]
mircea_popescu: good thing i did it anyway. [11:54]
mircea_popescu: alright, if everyone';s ready the auction will start presently [13:00]
mircea_popescu: goes off to read what it was [13:00]
diana_coman: ready [13:00]
mod6: ok [13:00]
mircea_popescu: let's courtesy ping danielpbarron jurov mod6 hanbot [13:01]
mod6: I'm present and accounted for :] [13:02]
hanbot: i'm in! [13:04]
mircea_popescu: alrighty one second while i visit the smg stores [13:05]
diana_coman: so mircea_popescu for this quality thing as I really don't get it: you have gathering much lower, building lower AND lumberjack lower but then you actually get the q HIGHER? [13:53]
mircea_popescu: weird huh [13:53]
diana_coman: tbh it doesn't sound right [13:54]
diana_coman: I can't really quite see how does that make sense [13:54]
mod6: danielpbarron: got your braided threads. hit me up. [13:54]
mircea_popescu: i only mine about 122 atm tho [13:55]
mircea_popescu: how much do yo uget ? [13:55]
mircea_popescu: o nevermind, ranked lj now q 129 [13:55]
diana_coman: oh, I get 131 now [13:55]
diana_coman: .... [13:55]
mircea_popescu: crrrrrrazy [13:55]
mircea_popescu: maybe lumberjacking's my talent [13:56]
diana_coman: or farming is broken, lol [13:56]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> well i need them to dig up eps. how many q 120ish eps you want for 1 ? << how much for me to buy the claim+enumeration? [14:02]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> which does kinda mean unless someone starts digging shittons of grass we'll be out of cft in short << don't worry about that [14:03]
danielpbarron: wait what.. [14:10]
danielpbarron: auctionw as at 1?? [14:10]
danielpbarron: ...... [14:10]
danielpbarron: why with the changing time [14:10]
danielpbarron: well this sucks [14:12]
danielpbarron: 2nd time i rush through traffic back to comp to find out i missed it anyway [14:12]
danielpbarron: it's either that or do nothing all day on sunday [14:13]
jurov: gotta designate someone as proxy ;D [14:13]
danielpbarron: i didn't think i had to [14:13]
danielpbarron: i was here in time for 2 [14:13]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it never changed. 6pm gmt. this one, the one before, etc [14:28]
mircea_popescu: i'd have prolly auctioned it off, actually, if you asked. [14:30]
danielpbarron: 2 weeks ago it was at 2pm est [14:30]
mircea_popescu: anyway. neext sunday. [14:30]
mircea_popescu: which one ? [14:30]
danielpbarron: the one hanbot won uncontested [14:31]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/in-desperation-of-cause-or-eulora-november-15th-auction/ > ? also 6pm gmt [14:31]
lobbesbot: Title: In Desperation of Cause, or Eulora November 15th Auction on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [14:31]
mircea_popescu: did you get caught in some sort of daylight savings debacle ? [14:31]
danielpbarron: that happened more than 2 weeks ago [14:31]
mircea_popescu: seems the 15th was 2 weeks ago [14:31]
mircea_popescu: or you mean. well i dunno... [14:31]
danielpbarron: ah, it was at 1 last time [14:34]
danielpbarron: well that time really sucks for me [14:34]
mircea_popescu: proxy no good ? [14:35]
Birdman_: diana_coman: do you have threads for sale? [15:24]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu berries: 6119 at 155q and 1597 at 129q [15:24]
danielpbarron: i want the 155q [15:26]
Birdman_: I have grass for sale [15:26]
danielpbarron: i'll buy grass too [15:26]
Birdman_: trade when ready [15:27]
diana_coman: danielpbarron berries are at 125\% so that's 141Ã\u00971.25Ã\u00971.55Ã\u00976119 = 1,671,634 [15:29]
Birdman_: which berries are you talking about ? [15:31]
diana_coman: Birdman_ I have threads at 155q but I'll want 130\% on them [15:31]
diana_coman: widow's whisp berries [15:32]
Birdman_: whats that work out to then? [15:32]
diana_coman: 363 per [15:32]
Birdman_: ah too pricey for my blood [15:33]
danielpbarron: diana_coman, aight deal [15:33]
diana_coman: kk, there's a cft crisis looming [15:33]
danielpbarron: not really [15:33]
diana_coman: good then if not danielpbarron, I don't really want to run out of cft for sure [15:34]
diana_coman: give me 1 min to take the berries out [15:34]
diana_coman: ready danielpbarron trade when you are free [15:35]
Birdman_: mircea_popescu: are you in the market for buying enums for bouq? [15:38]
Birdman_: they would be pretty low quality, but also cheap [15:38]
danielpbarron: oh, loan me some supplication blueprints [15:38]
danielpbarron: Birdman_, check his shop page, the answer is yes [15:39]
danielpbarron: 1k per small enum and i think 200 per tiny [15:39]
Birdman_: how do i get to shop pages? [15:39]
Birdman_: which ones and how many [15:39]
danielpbarron: it's on eulorum somewhere [15:39]
danielpbarron: idk like 10 of each or something [15:39]
danielpbarron: i want to make my own to see what the base value is [15:40]
diana_coman: Birdman_ check the wiki http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora [15:40]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) [15:40]
danielpbarron: and then i'll probably want to buy up thousands of them [15:40]
diana_coman: at the end of the page there you'll find links to shops [15:40]
Birdman_: thanks [15:40]
danielpbarron: Birdman_, so the supplication drafts? [15:43]
Birdman_: someone said they may be around base value of 2 copper [15:43]
danielpbarron: i'd like to see for myself [15:43]
Birdman_: yeah, me too [15:43]
Birdman_: though they do get spit out alot for loot [15:43]
danielpbarron: so give me 10 of each, i will overcraft them and get more as loot [15:44]
Birdman_: but that could also have been overcraft for my low bouq skill using foxy's and your enums [15:44]
danielpbarron: my loot will be over 100 quality and will show a base value [15:44]
Birdman_: ah [15:44]
Birdman_: well [15:44]
danielpbarron: then i will buy a bunch more of yours [15:44]
Birdman_: i need some sort of way to make sure i profit [15:44]
Birdman_: promise you'll buy a few thousand of each [15:45]
danielpbarron: ok but you aren't the only one with those drafts [15:45]
Birdman_: yeah exactly [15:45]
Birdman_: i know [15:45]
danielpbarron: you want to buy shredding ingredients? [15:46]
danielpbarron: specifically shiny rock shards and coarse frangible thread blueprints [15:46]
danielpbarron: i'm will to sell those at no markup if you'll buy at least 9999 of each [15:46]
danielpbarron: willing [15:46]
danielpbarron: quality is around 150 so it's overcraft for you [15:48]
Birdman_: no, bouq is pretty dead of a skill for me [15:52]
Birdman_: no money in it [15:52]
Birdman_: not right now anyways [15:52]
Birdman_: less of course those drafts have a decent bv [15:52]
danielpbarron: i'll buy your bouq loot of you have some [15:52]
Birdman_: which drafts you need 10 of each [15:52]
Birdman_: whisper me [15:53]
danielpbarron: stones, moss, berries, thorns, snails, leather [15:53]
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diana_coman: and btw Birdman_ danielpbarron crisis or no crisis, the cft at auction sold for something like 96\% on top of base value adjusted for quality [16:20]
diana_coman: I quite know how many threads the bot goes through in a day, lol [16:25]
Birdman_: they are used for many things for sure [16:26]
Birdman_: maybe my grass is being sold too cheap then [16:26]
diana_coman: didn't even count the uses for crafting really [16:26]
diana_coman: those are for mining mainly so far [16:26]
diana_coman: lolz Birdman_ [16:26]
Birdman_: i guess im a lolzy guy [16:27]
diana_coman: do you realise what \% you got on your grass? [16:27]
diana_coman: I mean: how did you figure out that your grass is "too cheap"? [16:27]
Birdman_: if the cft is increasing and i want to make a certain margin [16:28]
Birdman_: .. [16:28]
diana_coman: what's your want of margin got to do with what it's worth really? [16:29]
Birdman_: everything? [16:29]
diana_coman: the cft is increasing because of demand, not because of my want of margin [16:29]
diana_coman: uhm, no [16:29]
Birdman_: value is subjective yeah [16:30]
diana_coman: I'd say you got that wrong: worth of something has to do with what others would pay for it, not with what you'd want to make as a profit on it [16:30]
Birdman_: its only worth what ill sell it for [16:30]
Birdman_: i have the option to sell it or not [16:30]
diana_coman: weird notion of "worth" you have there [16:30]
diana_coman: sure, you have the option not to sell it, of course, but what's that got to do with worth of grass? [16:31]
danielpbarron: lol i went and crafted 8k threads into braided because nobody wanted [16:32]
danielpbarron: now there's a "crisis" [16:32]
diana_coman: what you mean might be that it's not worthwhile (different word?) for *you* to mine grass [16:32]
diana_coman: quite a different story [16:32]
diana_coman: danielpbarron things change for sure [16:32]
danielpbarron: i did that overnight [16:32]
diana_coman: so what? [16:32]
diana_coman: lol [16:32]
danielpbarron: i mean this last night [16:33]
diana_coman: today MP said he basically stopped mining grass [16:33]
danielpbarron: ah [16:33]
danielpbarron: well so? [16:33]
danielpbarron: he shouldn't be mining grass anyway [16:33]
diana_coman: maybe someone else mines a shitton and then everything is fine and dandy [16:33]
danielpbarron: yeah, Birdman_ [16:33]
diana_coman: well, I think he was doing it with hanbot [16:33]
diana_coman: well, he says it's not worth his time or something [16:34]
danielpbarron: that's probably true [16:34]
danielpbarron: i'd imagine Birdman_ can get way more grass in way less time [16:34]
diana_coman: so then how is it not worth his time? [16:34]
danielpbarron: who's? Birdman_ ? [16:34]
diana_coman: yes [16:34]
diana_coman: MP is not mining grass because he is focusing on lumberjacking [16:35]
danielpbarron: it specifically is worth his time or else he'd be getting me flotsam isntead [16:35]
diana_coman: nothing to do with worth his time [16:35]
diana_coman: well, see above, lol [16:35]
Birdman_: shortage of grass >> shortage of threads >> increased prices for both [16:35]
danielpbarron: Birdman_ that is [16:35]
Birdman_: thats how things work right? and the price of cft directly effects my profit on mining grass [16:35]
danielpbarron: there is only a shortage *today* because you aren't going and getting grass already Birdman_ [16:35]
danielpbarron: and if not you then any other noob already [16:36]
danielpbarron: go make grass and then auction it in here [16:37]
danielpbarron: i will bid, diana_coman will probably bid [16:37]
diana_coman: I think that another noob will fill in the place if Birdman_ increases the price of grass really, but hey, go aheaf [16:37]
danielpbarron: yeah i think 70 is already too much [16:37]
diana_coman: exactly, I won't pay more than that [16:37]
danielpbarron: maybe not too much for diana_coman who makes higher quality thread [16:37]
danielpbarron: but for me that's already a very small profit [16:37]
Birdman_: they can put in the work themselves and see how it works out [16:38]
Birdman_: i think i produce it alot faster than anyone else at the time being [16:38]
danielpbarron: at the time being nobody else will even try [16:38]
Birdman_: well *someone* will if im not getting grass anymore [16:38]
diana_coman: that is to your advantage Birdman_ but it doesn't mean that I'll start paying now some insane price for the grass because...dunno [16:38]
danielpbarron: everyone is too busy derping around on reddit or something when they should be gathering grass [16:39]
Birdman_: who said insane, i would have just increased by the same ratio as the cft [16:39]
diana_coman: ha ha danielpbarron true [16:39]
diana_coman: Birdman_ not sure you follow really [16:39]
danielpbarron: they can do both even, what with the mining bot [16:39]
diana_coman: weird how even that doesn't seem to get people in danielpbarron, isn't it? [16:40]
diana_coman: I mean wtf: you can leave it on and it makes money for you and still...can't be bothered or what [16:40]
danielpbarron: and by Birdman_'s numbers it sounds like it's serious money to be made [16:41]
danielpbarron: i think there's a mistake in the base values of supplication bundles [16:51]
danielpbarron: and possibly also in ennumeration values [16:51]
danielpbarron: in my experience, the bundle of a thing is supposed to have the same base value as the thing it turns into [16:52]
danielpbarron: but in the case of supplications, the bundle is valued in the double digits, and the resulting supplication in 4 digits [16:52]
danielpbarron: as a result, i get no overcraft despite using quality 200+ ennumerations for a resulting quality 127 supplication [16:52]
diana_coman: the base value of a thing is calculated as sum of its ingredients base value danielpbarron - is that what you mean with bundle base value? [16:54]
danielpbarron: right which means ennumerations are probably also valued wrong [16:56]
danielpbarron: either supplications or ennumerations have the wrong value [16:56]
danielpbarron: in any case, i can't get overcraft here [16:56]
danielpbarron: game thinks it's a severe undercraft [16:56]
danielpbarron: getting 3.5k value out of something like 50 [16:57]
danielpbarron: ennumerations should probably be worth closer to what mircea_popescu is offering in his shop [16:58]
diana_coman: hm, base value is at 100q, nothing to do with quality so what you'd need to check is that the base values of enums add up indeed to base value given for supp [16:58]
diana_coman: (enums and whatever else goes in there) [16:58]
danielpbarron: they don't [16:59]
danielpbarron: it's way off [16:59]
diana_coman: ouch [16:59]
danielpbarron: the value of 3 small and 17 tiny ennumerations added together is like 50 [16:59]
danielpbarron: the resulting supplication is like 3.5k [16:59]
danielpbarron: i wish i grokked this math back when i was burning up my very expensive altar [17:00]
danielpbarron: anyway i updated my base values table to reflect these findings [17:00]
danielpbarron: http://www.eulorum.org/User_talk:Danielpbarron [17:01]
lobbesbot: Title: User talk:Danielpbarron - Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) [17:01]
diana_coman: that's a nice table actually [17:03]
mircea_popescu: birdman yes i'm buying. which kinds you got ? [23:12]
birdman: ill check in a sec [23:12]
birdman: mircea_popescu: [small/tiny] 18/12 pss; 1/7 sp moss; 6/44 tpt; 10/1 wwb; 43/14 wpl [23:33]
mircea_popescu: cool, ill take the lot [23:36]
danielpbarron: not sure if it got lost in the connection problems, but regarding the ennumerations and supplications, this -> http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-11-29.log.html#t21:51:27 [23:36]
birdman: im in town when you're ready [23:37]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron well technically that also means you turn a profit. [23:37]
danielpbarron: 30k profit on 60 supplications [23:38]
danielpbarron: birdman, you should see if you can get loot from this thing [23:39]
birdman: from making supps? [23:39]
danielpbarron: yeah [23:39]
birdman: i just made one and it spit out some drafts [23:40]
danielpbarron: today? [23:40]
birdman: yeah like 2 minutes ago [23:40]
birdman: and a bunch earlier today [23:40]
danielpbarron: ah, i didn't figure in the wear on the screens and clogs [23:41]
mircea_popescu: btw diana_coman did you use that lbn ? [23:42]
mircea_popescu: and no doubt you;ll be pleased to know that lvl 11 lj -> 137q eps [23:44]
mircea_popescu: really loves this quaint eps spot here. [23:46]
birdman: are there any tools floating around for sale? [23:50]
birdman: i need pickaxes [23:51]

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