Day changed to 2026-08-03
[16:04] Felicia Solecrimp: good morning
[16:04] Felicia Solecrimp: writing makes me happy
[16:04] Felicia Solecrimp: and helps me remember things
[16:29] Diana Coman: hello Felicia Solecrimp
Day changed to 2026-08-04
[07:00] Vivian Sporepress: if anyone's looking for cdg, my stock is up to over 15k at q1; can sell at +15% qabv.
[07:03] Vivian Sporepress: though hmm, I see Diana Coman still has way more than that.
[09:09] Diana Coman: yeah, I still have a ton of cdg q1 available at 110%. For basic harvestables at this low q I'm fine with the +10% really, it's the crafted stuff that commends to my mind more since it takes more steps to make it.
Day changed to 2026-08-05
[23:37] Felicia Solecrimp: im going to try to find some
[23:38] Felicia Solecrimp: not have the money available yet to buy some
[23:38] Felicia Solecrimp: and also wanted to buy my first crafting table
Day changed to 2026-08-06
[08:45] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, cdg should be quite easy to find really, there's plenty around in PPP
[08:46] Diana Coman: fwiw, for my char at least, the q1 tends to come out from ord claims - possibly as the bundle there is fixed at q50 since it's always one of Rainer Tracksnarl's
[15:45] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, from my pov, lh & st are the yet unfound items to build ord cdg claims.
[15:51] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, the ST is unknown but for LH there is at least one known spot in PPP
[15:53] Diana Coman: actually I suppose it would make sense to set the bot to pound a spot like that LH when running it mostly for gathering xp anyhow. Since it's not reliably lh every time, at least one can get some of it and not mind missing the rest.
[16:58] Raphael Nethersmell: oh hey, I didn't find it myself yet, but it's in my knowledge bank, win.
[19:24] Felicia Solecrimp: Rainer Tracksnarl where are you?
[19:24] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, I am currently at -47.36 96.19 11.42 in Preposterously Prosperous Place
Day changed to 2026-08-07
[04:19] Felicia Solecrimp: Rainer Tracksnarl where are you?
[04:19] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, I am currently at -47.27 96.16 11.69 in Preposterously Prosperous Place
[04:33] Felicia Solecrimp: 80 os and 85 shell for my first little pop
[05:14] Felicia Solecrimp: Wolfgang Middlesit is not working well his exchange cant upload my inventory i wonder if he is sick ?
[05:14] Felicia Solecrimp: I can see his inventory but not mine
[05:26] Felicia Solecrimp: how much cost a crafting table i think i could finallybuy one :D?
[09:04] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, that sounds like a a delay due to too many items around, give it some time and/or re-request your inventory and it should show up
[09:04] Diana Coman: iirc it's Rainer Tracksnarl with craft tables though, not Wolfgang Middlesit
[09:16] Diana Coman: fwiw I opened up an exchange with Wolfgang Middlesit to try it out and my inventory shows fine. Maybe check the scroller to the right if there seem to be no items showing since it can simply be that the items are in earlier/higher up slots so simply "not showing" as you are not looking at the right slots.
[17:50] Felicia Solecrimp: thank you it got fix
[17:51] Felicia Solecrimp: im going to rainer for my table
[17:51] Felicia Solecrimp: Rainer Tracksnarl where are you?
[17:51] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, I am currently at -46.63 96.68 8.31 in Preposterously Prosperous Place
[18:00] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, that's worth about 284 shells more than what you're offering.
[18:03] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, that's worth about 84 shells more than what you're offering.
[19:02] Felicia Solecrimp: thank you rainer for my first crafting table
[19:03] Felicia Solecrimp: a my two little pops
Day changed to 2026-08-08
[00:56] Felicia Solecrimp: Rainer Tracksnarl where are you?
[00:56] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, I am currently at -46.63 96.68 8.31 in Preposterously Prosperous Place
[05:15] Felicia Solecrimp: omg there are some snails
[05:15] Felicia Solecrimp: i found it with rainer
[06:15] Felicia Solecrimp: I dont know why I have a new kind of problem with the exchange I create an exchange and then when i tried to load the inventory it appears then says empty slot or it says
[06:15] Felicia Solecrimp: so the branch cannot get inside the exchange
[06:15] Felicia Solecrimp: with rainer
[06:15] Felicia Solecrimp: and it goes back to my inventory
[10:15] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, that sounds again like messages lost in transit/too much lag and delay, generally caused by connection and/or too many objects in view at the time.
[15:51] Felicia Solecrimp: oh okay thank you
Day changed to 2026-08-09
[23:02] Felicia Solecrimp: hey vivian
Day changed to 2026-08-10
[00:25] Felicia Solecrimp: for my first time of crafting what could be a good recipe to buy ?
[01:23] Felicia Solecrimp: Diana Coman How is everything going on ?
[01:30] Felicia Solecrimp: Nestor Nethercross How are you ?
[09:19] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, most likely you'd want to craft something for which you already have the ingredients at least, so start from there. The cft is probably easiest and then the result is useful to build smalls, as well.
[13:51] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, you can get cft recipes from me if you don't have them.
[17:14] Felicia Solecrimp: how much do you sell them raph ?
[17:17] Vivian Sporepress: Felicia Solecrimp, looks like they have bv 18 at q100, so just buy a couple from wherever; once you craft they'll probably turn into more at lower quality that you can reuse.
[17:34] Felicia Solecrimp: oh okay
[17:34] Felicia Solecrimp: thak you
[17:36] Vivian Sporepress: Diana Coman, are there any other currently craftable items with known uses?
[17:37] Felicia Solecrimp: how much does a thread cost ?
[17:41] Vivian Sporepress: Felicia Solecrimp, did you check foxy's cookbook? its base value observations have proven quite accurate so far
[17:44] Felicia Solecrimp: need to check thanks
[17:44] Felicia Solecrimp: did you got the water ?
[17:48] Felicia Solecrimp: Rainer Tracksnarl where are you ?
[17:48] Felicia Solecrimp: Rainer Tracksnarl where are you?
[17:48] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, I am currently at -46.63 96.68 8.31 in Preposterously Prosperous Place
[17:50] Vivian Sporepress: we have value troubles and missing oils, so besides the CFT for building smalls, crafting atm seems to require some faith that it'll be useful eventually, or just hoping to get lucky on outputs and sell unneeded items back to a merchant for profit
[17:50] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-03-16 (Eulora 2) Diana Coman: http://ossasepia.com/2026/03/01/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Mar-2026/#4985 - there is double trouble with crafting a table (or tools for that matter) since one really wants higher quality output or there is little use that I'm aware of currently for it. So one has to get an item rather than only more recipes, true enough but that item better be at least reasonable quality too or it's directly garbage...
[17:50] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-03-16 (Eulora 2) Diana Coman: sadly no IO recipes in storage, apparently picking correctly what might be needed if Rainer Tracksnarl was not around to provide it is not that easy at all
[17:54] Vivian Sporepress: Felicia Solecrimp: I hadn't ordered any water but somehow received 10 gallons of it.
[17:55] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, that's worth about 16.4k shells more than what you're offering.
[18:12] Felicia Solecrimp: how do you found a small ?
[18:12] Ulrich Logfetch: PC Diana Coman has got 32.67m shells worth of Crumbly Rock and assorted loot while gathering. Congratulations!
[18:13] Felicia Solecrimp: 32 million ?
[18:13] Felicia Solecrimp: omg
[18:13] Felicia Solecrimp: a big pop
[18:13] Felicia Solecrimp: bought the trangible thread :D
[18:14] Felicia Solecrimp: congrats for the pop
[18:41] Vivian Sporepress: O.o
[19:16] Diana Coman: oh hey, that must be my new bounteous claim, this time on CR. And I still can't even build the earlier one...
[19:19] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, the workings of faith in e2 are quite unknown but if e1 is to be still relevant in any way, it seemed to involve a lot of sacrificing stuff and getting various tokens most of the time. Then again, faith will probably not hinder at least, though I suspect crafting still requires more... purposeful work perhaps to get out of its current predicament otherwise
[19:21] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, what do you mean by "other craftable items with known uses" ? At the very least the craft-table I suppose, but that aside, the cookbook even gives at least some uses as ingredients if nothing else
[19:22] Diana Coman: and otherwise it would be uses to find out, no?
[19:23] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, claims of all sorts are found by exploring, small ones included.
[19:26] Felicia Solecrimp: so small ones and ordinary ones are rare?
[19:26] Felicia Solecrimp: or do i need to level up
Day changed to 2026-08-11
[09:22] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, well, according to the name, the ordinary should not be rare!
[09:23] Diana Coman: lolz, perhaps players who did a lot of exploring have come to at least some working heuristics as to how and when one may obtain one type of claim or another...
[09:24] Diana Coman: not sure if there is even a clearly set working hypothesis as to what the differences really are, so there is still plenty to figure out and clarify
[09:25] Diana Coman: given the recorded e2 experience so far, I can reasonably say that the bounteous have been quite rare for me, given how I got only a few of them during months of gathering
[09:26] Diana Coman: then again, I got 2 of them relatively recently and none to start with so dunno exactly what this says
[17:02] Felicia Solecrimp: I bought the cross tangible thread done instead of crafted me dummy haha
[17:02] Felicia Solecrimp: i did not understood vivian
[17:02] Felicia Solecrimp: it was the recipe
[17:02] Felicia Solecrimp: im going to find ulritch to see if i train
[17:03] Felicia Solecrimp: Ulrich Logfetch where are you?
[17:03] Ulrich Logfetch: Felicia Solecrimp, I am currently at -12.46 99.79 -1.87 in Preposterously Prosperous Place
[17:11] Felicia Solecrimp: how can i check my skill again ?
[17:11] Felicia Solecrimp: i forgot the command
[17:12] Felicia Solecrimp: sadie is not dead she is near ulrich hehe
[17:16] Felicia Solecrimp: ordinary seems a cool namefor a claim
[19:07] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, there is a help command, you know?
[19:07] Diana Coman: and otherwise notes for things you find useful but tend to forget otherwise
[23:08] Felicia Solecrimp: i search help in the command but did not understood to see my skills tried searching ossasepia but also did not found it hehe
Day changed to 2026-08-12
[05:02] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp you can grep skill euconfig.ini
[07:19] Vivian Sporepress: Diana Coman: for known uses I mean like how CFT is needed to build smalls. likewise tools and tables have their uses in gathering and crafting, but it seems there's no way to craft those now (though I forget whether the CT plans were still stocked with Rainer Tracksnarl).
[07:24] Vivian Sporepress: on finding out uses, hmm. I may have been so bold as to try a direct use of scribbled elucubrations but cordage, slag and whatnot sound even less appetizing
[07:34] Vivian Sporepress: basically I'm not yet perceiving a reason to craft anything in particular besides cft. to be sure, even for that there's a semirandom multidimensional dynamic parameter space to explore; still, dunno if it's the magpie mind or what but it seems boring to work on just that one item.
[07:46] Vivian Sporepress: with exploring, it's still somewhat interesting because there's new spots to be found and some items even still undiscovered; but with crafting, the recipe contents are already known and what's left is to apply the knowledge - but for what?
[07:50] Vivian Sporepress: * chuckles at "cross tangible" as head-autocorrect for "coarse frangible"
[13:51] Diana Coman: ahaha cross-tangible-thread would be something
[13:52] Diana Coman: http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6212 - seems being the operative word there
[13:52] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-12 (Eulora 2) Vivian Sporepress: Diana Coman: for known uses I mean like how CFT is needed to build smalls. likewise tools and tables have their uses in gathering and crafting, but it seems there's no way to craft those now (though I forget whether the CT plans were still stocked with Rainer Tracksnarl).
[13:54] Diana Coman: http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6213 - putting things in one's mouth is indeed the first way of learning about new stuff but hopefully it doesn't remain the only way!
[13:54] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-12 (Eulora 2) Vivian Sporepress: on finding out uses, hmm. I may have been so bold as to try a direct use of scribbled elucubrations but cordage, slag and whatnot sound even less appetizing
[13:56] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, from what you say, it sounds more like a missing visible demand for something other than cft. As it were, people don't yet have enough... visible needs or possibly more complex activity to require anything other than one's own health
[13:57] Diana Coman: which would almost suggests at least potions might be a thing, only it's quite funny that these would normally require the cooking which is in fact more complex than tinkering
[13:58] Diana Coman: and yes, the cooking skill as well as others have been available for a while already, only nobody seems to have found any of them yet
[13:59] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, it's an interesting view though, for sure, this one on what even makes "no way to make x" or how/when someone comes along and figures out that way that didn't even seem to others to exist
[14:09] Diana Coman: basically eulorans are still gatherers mostly and only just faintly stirring towards some manufacturing activity
[14:12] Diana Coman: and the lack of wild animals/similar dangers makes for at least one incentive missing, too
[15:20] Raphael Nethersmell: http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6212 -- i bought a ct plan and ddin't try it out yet, not sure if they're still for sale.
[15:20] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-12 (Eulora 2) Vivian Sporepress: Diana Coman: for known uses I mean like how CFT is needed to build smalls. likewise tools and tables have their uses in gathering and crafting, but it seems there's no way to craft those now (though I forget whether the CT plans were still stocked with Rainer Tracksnarl).
[15:25] Raphael Nethersmell: http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6213 -- crafting bct while training saves time in leveling up compared to crafting cft. as far as crafting other stuff, like ibs, fs, dg, what're you doing with the resources they use as inputs, just sit on them in inventory ? i've crafted those because i said, well, i've got the inputs, and I see these are useful in other second order goods, so why not craft them and start accumulating for when i'm ready to build the more complex items.
[15:25] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-12 (Eulora 2) Vivian Sporepress: on finding out uses, hmm. I may have been so bold as to try a direct use of scribbled elucubrations but cordage, slag and whatnot sound even less appetizing
[22:31] Vivian Sporepress: http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6219 - perhaps there is "abiogenesis" where a recipe can be written into being where none existed prior; or perhaps they're hiding somewhere out in the vast environment; but as far as currently known phenomena go, there's no way to craft something without at least one existing recipe to equip
[22:31] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-12 (Eulora 2) Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-12 (Eulora 2) Vivian Sporepress: Diana Coman: for known uses I mean like how CFT is needed to build smalls. likewise tools and tables have their uses in gathering and crafting, but it seems there's no way to craft those now (though I forget whether the CT plans were still stocked with Rainer Tracksnarl).
[22:32] Vivian Sporepress: meant to link http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6218
[22:32] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-12 (Eulora 2) Diana Coman: http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6212 - seems being the operative word there
Day changed to 2026-08-13
[09:01] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, the limits of known phenomena, indeed.
[09:03] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, good point about sitting on resources. Half-wondering whether held stuff shouldn't ever so slowly decay with time, too, as in incentive to be used perhaps. Even sold to the npc is perhaps better in that it becomes at least available to other players, though the need doesn't yet seem to be all that pressing.
[16:59] Felicia Solecrimp: How can I find the cooking skill ?
[18:04] Felicia Solecrimp: yeah found ricky reeds :D
[18:24] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, no one reported finding it yet.
[18:25] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, do you have the tinkering/crafting skill ?
Day changed to 2026-08-15
[11:18] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, presumably like the others were found, either lying around somewhere or as a possibly unexpected result of doing some activity...
Day changed to 2026-08-16
[22:50] Felicia Solecrimp: I bought some food and it hasnt appear
[22:50] Felicia Solecrimp: i left the bag outside of my inventory when the game was starting and it do not update
[22:53] Felicia Solecrimp: it is a spicy moss mousaka
[22:55] Felicia Solecrimp: it got restore to my inventory somehow i had lag and did not notice
[22:56] Felicia Solecrimp: Raphael Nethersmell how can i buy the crafting skill from you and do the bundles ?
Day changed to 2026-08-17
[12:53] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, glad to hear it sorted itself out with just a bit of letting it be
[12:53] Diana Coman: it's meant to be quite resilient like that, indeed
[16:27] Raphael Nethersmell: http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/02/Notices-and-Announcements-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#285 -- looks like my ~150k cr q6 pop was outshined something like a match in front of the sun, lolz.
[16:27] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-15 (Notices and Announcements) Ulrich Logfetch: ** Euloran economic activity during one month to day 00 of month 11, year 8 (era 1): PCs' held value in items increased by 33`238`227 and their cash increased by 111`564; NPCs' held value in items increased by 14`931 and their cash decreased by 111`564; environment value decreased by 33`761`270. All amounts are shown in Euloran Shell (10`000 Shells to 1 Copper). **
[16:47] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, eh, that's still a claim only, not yet the outputs so it remains to be seen what comes out of it - if I even get to build it before it expires
[16:49] Diana Coman: 150k cr q6 should make for a good tinkering run, maybe dg ?
[17:20] Vivian Sporepress: good morning eulora. I've had less luck (profits) on building tinies lately but smalls and the occasional ordinary have been good; used up the stack of cft q19 from Diana Coman and going to try my own q2 product for a while.
[17:21] Vivian Sporepress: got an excess of cftr q2 with that, if it's of value to someone.
[17:25] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, what markup on those q2 cftr?
[17:25] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, yeah, though I'm short on rf & sm. do you have either ? both ?
[17:26] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, i'll buy those cftr q2, how many do you have ?
[17:26] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, rf I have for sure, a one of the basics. Maybe it's time to expand and go for the middle resources like sm, too.
[17:33] Vivian Sporepress: I could sell 300 atm and can probably make more. not sure how to price them, any offers?
[17:37] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, can you fill 20k rf q1 ?
[17:38] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress how about 110% qabv ?
[17:41] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, yes for 20k rf q1
[17:41] Diana Coman: if you meet me at my tree at 0, -32 I can do the trade now
[17:43] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, omw.
[17:45] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, fwiw I sell my cftr at 110%, though they are higher q as this is what comes out currently. I'm fine to pass on these now, they are more of a nice to have for me atm than a must have. And most likely I'll head off for getting more resources first by the looks of it anyway.
[17:50] Vivian Sporepress: alright, I could sell them at 110% but 2 os minimum trade size - so either a premium now, or I'll see about making more.
[17:51] Diana Coman: looking now at the exchange with Raphael Nethersmell, I guess the client could be a bit more helpful and show the de facto markup too, along side the actual values
[17:52] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, thanks for the trade. I'll let you know how it goes with the sm
[17:56] Diana Coman: now I even wonder if this was the highest value trade to date in e2, at least among PCs. Maybe Monroe Quarterslit could keep track at some point.
[17:58] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, that'd be nice to show the marked up values and the bv. basically show why it's not balanced.
[17:58] Raphael Nethersmell: sounds like a cool thing for Monroe Quarterslit to track.
[17:59] Diana Coman: grepping through the notes reveals that I had in fact thought of adding it clientside when I added the qabv in the exchange and noted that it's not so straightforward if/when there are different items that might each have different markups, hm.
[18:01] Diana Coman: basically the client could calculate and show a sort of averaged markup overall for a trade but it wasn't/isn't clear to me if that's not more confusing than helpful when there is more than one type of item in the trade
[18:05] Raphael Nethersmell: ah, good point. it's not even a solved problem on how to display the trades that allocate the resources, let alone resource allocation problem itself.
[18:11] Diana Coman: quite. Open to ideas, proposals, prototypes and contributions, too!
[18:20] Vivian Sporepress: Raphael Nethersmell: if you want to fill up the trade for today, I've got plenty more RF, or other items, just check in the tree (-25,-30)
[18:34] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, ok, thanks, I'll check later today and let you know. i've been operating on open door policy on my cavern lately too, given euloraville remains rather rural for now.
[19:24] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, i'll buy all your sm and 10k sb q1 in addition to the cftr q2
[20:59] Raphael Nethersmell: http://ossasepia.com/2026/07/06/Notices-and-Announcements-Logs-for-Jul-2026/#270 -- hey, I finally got one : almost readable scribbled elucibrations q18 ; "faint lines on crumbling background surely mean somthing ! with enough squinting, it could be:harlot"
[20:59] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-07-06 (Notices and Announcements) Monroe Quarterslit: New items spotted in the wild, with varying descriptions and unknown properties! Anyone finding, crafting or otherwise obtaining one that reads close enough to a harvestable's name may have it exchanged with Diana Coman for that exact harvestable - at least during this current euloran month 5 of year 8.
[21:18] Raphael Nethersmell: shc=arse ; lolz.
[21:22] Raphael Nethersmell: as it was degrading rapidly, i first tried to arm it in slot 20 while building a bct, while training, but it seemingly wasn't used at all. so then I tried to sell it so Wolfgang Middlesit, but he didn't bite. so I used it with the only noticeable efect being sp, co, and gn each decreasing by 10%, though they're all recovering by now.
[21:35] Vivian Sporepress: Raphael Nethersmell: ok, can sell sb at 110% but sm at 120%.
[21:36] Vivian Sporepress: eating farts proves mildly unhealthy again
[22:24] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, perhaps there's an hormetic effect.
[22:24] Raphael Nethersmell: let me know when it'll be convenient for you to trade.
[22:28] Vivian Sporepress: I'm here
[23:05] Raphael Nethersmell: omw
[23:08] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, here, quote me the total owed por favor. I didn't note the q & c of the sm.
[23:27] Vivian Sporepress: Raphael Nethersmell: I'm getting 13664
[23:29] Vivian Sporepress: http://jfxpt.com/paste/huv9fnxckj itemized
[23:32] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, thanks.
[23:33] Vivian Sporepress: all set, thanks
Day changed to 2026-08-18
[02:17] Felicia Solecrimp: guys D: I did you you were trading today
[02:17] Felicia Solecrimp: seems like i skip all the fun today
[03:19] Felicia Solecrimp: Raphael Nethersmell can you see me
[03:19] Felicia Solecrimp: im at 167 -287
[03:37] Felicia Solecrimp: thanks for making business
[16:49] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, Wolfgang Middlesit has q2 Chicken Scribblings for sale. at his 120 markup, he's charging 696 shell. I have a q1 CS that i'll sell you at a 10% discount to the q2 he's offering, as per thelogic discussed here. you'll owe me 696*.9 == 626 shell of value. which if paid in lbn q11, would be 518 lbn.
[16:49] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-06-10 (Eulora 2) Raphael Nethersmell: http://ossasepia.com/2026/06/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Jun-2026/#5672 -- what is mean is, I have various q1 skills. currently w/ Wolfgang Middlesit, the lowest q sms is 11, with a 120% markup, he's charging 1452 shell. a q1 sms is qabv 110 shell. if I offer it at 1452*.9 = 1306 shell, i obviously get a massive markup on the q1 sms, but the player still gets the skill at a discount to what the npc is offering. this would only work for skills since quality isn't known to affect their utility. my question is, is that a fair "loophole" to offer or too... extractive on my part.
[21:12] Felicia Solecrimp: Ill buy it from you
[21:12] Felicia Solecrimp: you want 518 lbn ?
[21:13] Felicia Solecrimp: Raphael Nethersmell ?
[21:45] Raphael Nethersmell: do you already have the lbn ?
[23:05] Felicia Solecrimp: not yet
[23:13] Raphael Nethersmell: how much do you make per day, normally ?
Day changed to 2026-08-19
[00:57] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, I will sell it to you on credit, but asking the above to have an idea of how long the repayment period would be.
[00:59] Raphael Nethersmell: fwiw, it my own botting I get > 300 lbn per day.
[11:17] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, the sm run went quite well, it took a bit more than 1 day to find barehanded an ord at the sm spot and then the rest of the time to travel around getting the ord bundle, ziggurating, carrying the result. At least the yield was quite ok, some 30k sm and a bunch of chicken scribblings on top.
[11:19] Diana Coman: as for price, I guess I'll follow for now the current SM market as set in http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6284 so there are some 30k SM q1 available at 120%
[11:19] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-17 (Eulora 2) Vivian Sporepress: Raphael Nethersmell: ok, can sell sb at 110% but sm at 120%.
[11:21] Diana Coman: for basics it remains at 110% as per earlier http://ossasepia.com/2026/05/01/Eulora-2-Logs-for-May-2026/#5583
[11:21] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-05-19 (Eulora 2) Diana Coman: as my cavern-stocking with basics is progressing nicely (at least for q1, that is), I can offer currently any basic resource at q1 for 110%. Depending on the quantity, it might take a while to fill in some larger order but I'll have at least some estimate for it. Higher q might be available too but at a different markup and on a case by case basis.
[15:28] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, cool. i'll buy 6k to start. what did the sm ord bundle call for ?
[15:48] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, took advantage of Rainer Tracksnarl's fresh supplies after his cleanup. Otherwise though the SM bundle is actually doable currently at least in principle as it takes tlc, lh, dm - but for my char at least it would take these in huge quantities so not quite sure how long it would take me to get hundreds of molluscs, lolz
[18:44] Raphael Nethersmell: i'm have to check out what he's slinging ! let me know a time that'd be convenient for you to trade.
[21:01] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, I'll likely be around tomorrow afternoon, 2-3pm utc or otherwise later in the evening
[22:59] Felicia Solecrimp: I have the 518 lbn
[23:00] Felicia Solecrimp: Raphael Nethersmell
[23:00] Felicia Solecrimp: and the hm bundles
Day changed to 2026-08-20
[14:58] Felicia Solecrimp: Raphael Nethersmell where are you?
[15:46] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, x=100 z=-143 in ppp
[15:51] Felicia Solecrimp: going there
[15:54] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, i'll pay 110% qabv for those tiny cdg bundles.
[15:59] Felicia Solecrimp: why 17 shell rap ?
[16:02] Raphael Nethersmell: for the tcdgb
[16:03] Felicia Solecrimp: but shell ?
[16:04] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, can do the sm trade at my tree
[16:11] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, omw.
[16:12] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, qabv t=tcdgb q=9 c=15 m=110 == QABV = (m/100)*cnt*bv*q/bq = (110/100)*15*11*9/100 = 16.33. Using base value 11 at base quality 100, for given shc tcdgb, name Tiny Clump of Dry Grass Bundle, category Bundles.
[16:15] Monroe Quarterslit: Raphael Nethersmell, please group items together in exactly TWO stacks only.
[16:18] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, trade when ready
[16:21] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, thanks.
[16:22] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, the bv of the tcdgb got populated in my knowledge base by Rainer Tracksnarl.
[16:29] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, how much lbn did you spend per bundle ?
[17:50] Felicia Solecrimp: 1
[17:54] Felicia Solecrimp: Ulrich Logfetch where are you ?
[17:54] Felicia Solecrimp: Ulrich Logfetch where are you?
[17:54] Ulrich Logfetch: Felicia Solecrimp, I am currently at -16.40 99.62 10.80 in Preposterously Prosperous Place
Day changed to 2026-08-23
[10:30] Felicia Solecrimp: Good morning :)
[10:53] Diana Coman: good morning Felicia Solecrimp
[16:04] Felicia Solecrimp: good morning
[16:04] Felicia Solecrimp: writing makes me happy
[16:04] Felicia Solecrimp: and helps me remember things
[16:29] Diana Coman: hello Felicia Solecrimp
Day changed to 2026-08-04
[07:00] Vivian Sporepress: if anyone's looking for cdg, my stock is up to over 15k at q1; can sell at +15% qabv.
[07:03] Vivian Sporepress: though hmm, I see Diana Coman still has way more than that.
[09:09] Diana Coman: yeah, I still have a ton of cdg q1 available at 110%. For basic harvestables at this low q I'm fine with the +10% really, it's the crafted stuff that commends to my mind more since it takes more steps to make it.
Day changed to 2026-08-05
[23:37] Felicia Solecrimp: im going to try to find some
[23:38] Felicia Solecrimp: not have the money available yet to buy some
[23:38] Felicia Solecrimp: and also wanted to buy my first crafting table
Day changed to 2026-08-06
[08:45] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, cdg should be quite easy to find really, there's plenty around in PPP
[08:46] Diana Coman: fwiw, for my char at least, the q1 tends to come out from ord claims - possibly as the bundle there is fixed at q50 since it's always one of Rainer Tracksnarl's
[15:45] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, from my pov, lh & st are the yet unfound items to build ord cdg claims.
[15:51] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, the ST is unknown but for LH there is at least one known spot in PPP
[15:53] Diana Coman: actually I suppose it would make sense to set the bot to pound a spot like that LH when running it mostly for gathering xp anyhow. Since it's not reliably lh every time, at least one can get some of it and not mind missing the rest.
[16:58] Raphael Nethersmell: oh hey, I didn't find it myself yet, but it's in my knowledge bank, win.
[19:24] Felicia Solecrimp: Rainer Tracksnarl where are you?
[19:24] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, I am currently at -47.36 96.19 11.42 in Preposterously Prosperous Place
Day changed to 2026-08-07
[04:19] Felicia Solecrimp: Rainer Tracksnarl where are you?
[04:19] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, I am currently at -47.27 96.16 11.69 in Preposterously Prosperous Place
[04:33] Felicia Solecrimp: 80 os and 85 shell for my first little pop
[05:14] Felicia Solecrimp: Wolfgang Middlesit is not working well his exchange cant upload my inventory i wonder if he is sick ?
[05:14] Felicia Solecrimp: I can see his inventory but not mine
[05:26] Felicia Solecrimp: how much cost a crafting table i think i could finallybuy one :D?
[09:04] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, that sounds like a a delay due to too many items around, give it some time and/or re-request your inventory and it should show up
[09:04] Diana Coman: iirc it's Rainer Tracksnarl with craft tables though, not Wolfgang Middlesit
[09:16] Diana Coman: fwiw I opened up an exchange with Wolfgang Middlesit to try it out and my inventory shows fine. Maybe check the scroller to the right if there seem to be no items showing since it can simply be that the items are in earlier/higher up slots so simply "not showing" as you are not looking at the right slots.
[17:50] Felicia Solecrimp: thank you it got fix
[17:51] Felicia Solecrimp: im going to rainer for my table
[17:51] Felicia Solecrimp: Rainer Tracksnarl where are you?
[17:51] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, I am currently at -46.63 96.68 8.31 in Preposterously Prosperous Place
[18:00] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, that's worth about 284 shells more than what you're offering.
[18:03] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, that's worth about 84 shells more than what you're offering.
[19:02] Felicia Solecrimp: thank you rainer for my first crafting table
[19:03] Felicia Solecrimp: a my two little pops
Day changed to 2026-08-08
[00:56] Felicia Solecrimp: Rainer Tracksnarl where are you?
[00:56] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, I am currently at -46.63 96.68 8.31 in Preposterously Prosperous Place
[05:15] Felicia Solecrimp: omg there are some snails
[05:15] Felicia Solecrimp: i found it with rainer
[06:15] Felicia Solecrimp: I dont know why I have a new kind of problem with the exchange I create an exchange and then when i tried to load the inventory it appears then says empty slot or it says
[06:15] Felicia Solecrimp: so the branch cannot get inside the exchange
[06:15] Felicia Solecrimp: with rainer
[06:15] Felicia Solecrimp: and it goes back to my inventory
[10:15] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, that sounds again like messages lost in transit/too much lag and delay, generally caused by connection and/or too many objects in view at the time.
[15:51] Felicia Solecrimp: oh okay thank you
Day changed to 2026-08-09
[23:02] Felicia Solecrimp: hey vivian
Day changed to 2026-08-10
[00:25] Felicia Solecrimp: for my first time of crafting what could be a good recipe to buy ?
[01:23] Felicia Solecrimp: Diana Coman How is everything going on ?
[01:30] Felicia Solecrimp: Nestor Nethercross How are you ?
[09:19] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, most likely you'd want to craft something for which you already have the ingredients at least, so start from there. The cft is probably easiest and then the result is useful to build smalls, as well.
[13:51] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, you can get cft recipes from me if you don't have them.
[17:14] Felicia Solecrimp: how much do you sell them raph ?
[17:17] Vivian Sporepress: Felicia Solecrimp, looks like they have bv 18 at q100, so just buy a couple from wherever; once you craft they'll probably turn into more at lower quality that you can reuse.
[17:34] Felicia Solecrimp: oh okay
[17:34] Felicia Solecrimp: thak you
[17:36] Vivian Sporepress: Diana Coman, are there any other currently craftable items with known uses?
[17:37] Felicia Solecrimp: how much does a thread cost ?
[17:41] Vivian Sporepress: Felicia Solecrimp, did you check foxy's cookbook? its base value observations have proven quite accurate so far
[17:44] Felicia Solecrimp: need to check thanks
[17:44] Felicia Solecrimp: did you got the water ?
[17:48] Felicia Solecrimp: Rainer Tracksnarl where are you ?
[17:48] Felicia Solecrimp: Rainer Tracksnarl where are you?
[17:48] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, I am currently at -46.63 96.68 8.31 in Preposterously Prosperous Place
[17:50] Vivian Sporepress: we have value troubles and missing oils, so besides the CFT for building smalls, crafting atm seems to require some faith that it'll be useful eventually, or just hoping to get lucky on outputs and sell unneeded items back to a merchant for profit
[17:50] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-03-16 (Eulora 2) Diana Coman: http://ossasepia.com/2026/03/01/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Mar-2026/#4985 - there is double trouble with crafting a table (or tools for that matter) since one really wants higher quality output or there is little use that I'm aware of currently for it. So one has to get an item rather than only more recipes, true enough but that item better be at least reasonable quality too or it's directly garbage...
[17:50] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-03-16 (Eulora 2) Diana Coman: sadly no IO recipes in storage, apparently picking correctly what might be needed if Rainer Tracksnarl was not around to provide it is not that easy at all
[17:54] Vivian Sporepress: Felicia Solecrimp: I hadn't ordered any water but somehow received 10 gallons of it.
[17:55] Rainer Tracksnarl: Felicia Solecrimp, that's worth about 16.4k shells more than what you're offering.
[18:12] Felicia Solecrimp: how do you found a small ?
[18:12] Ulrich Logfetch: PC Diana Coman has got 32.67m shells worth of Crumbly Rock and assorted loot while gathering. Congratulations!
[18:13] Felicia Solecrimp: 32 million ?
[18:13] Felicia Solecrimp: omg
[18:13] Felicia Solecrimp: a big pop
[18:13] Felicia Solecrimp: bought the trangible thread :D
[18:14] Felicia Solecrimp: congrats for the pop
[18:41] Vivian Sporepress: O.o
[19:16] Diana Coman: oh hey, that must be my new bounteous claim, this time on CR. And I still can't even build the earlier one...
[19:19] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, the workings of faith in e2 are quite unknown but if e1 is to be still relevant in any way, it seemed to involve a lot of sacrificing stuff and getting various tokens most of the time. Then again, faith will probably not hinder at least, though I suspect crafting still requires more... purposeful work perhaps to get out of its current predicament otherwise
[19:21] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, what do you mean by "other craftable items with known uses" ? At the very least the craft-table I suppose, but that aside, the cookbook even gives at least some uses as ingredients if nothing else
[19:22] Diana Coman: and otherwise it would be uses to find out, no?
[19:23] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, claims of all sorts are found by exploring, small ones included.
[19:26] Felicia Solecrimp: so small ones and ordinary ones are rare?
[19:26] Felicia Solecrimp: or do i need to level up
Day changed to 2026-08-11
[09:22] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, well, according to the name, the ordinary should not be rare!
[09:23] Diana Coman: lolz, perhaps players who did a lot of exploring have come to at least some working heuristics as to how and when one may obtain one type of claim or another...
[09:24] Diana Coman: not sure if there is even a clearly set working hypothesis as to what the differences really are, so there is still plenty to figure out and clarify
[09:25] Diana Coman: given the recorded e2 experience so far, I can reasonably say that the bounteous have been quite rare for me, given how I got only a few of them during months of gathering
[09:26] Diana Coman: then again, I got 2 of them relatively recently and none to start with so dunno exactly what this says
[17:02] Felicia Solecrimp: I bought the cross tangible thread done instead of crafted me dummy haha
[17:02] Felicia Solecrimp: i did not understood vivian
[17:02] Felicia Solecrimp: it was the recipe
[17:02] Felicia Solecrimp: im going to find ulritch to see if i train
[17:03] Felicia Solecrimp: Ulrich Logfetch where are you?
[17:03] Ulrich Logfetch: Felicia Solecrimp, I am currently at -12.46 99.79 -1.87 in Preposterously Prosperous Place
[17:11] Felicia Solecrimp: how can i check my skill again ?
[17:11] Felicia Solecrimp: i forgot the command
[17:12] Felicia Solecrimp: sadie is not dead she is near ulrich hehe
[17:16] Felicia Solecrimp: ordinary seems a cool namefor a claim
[19:07] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, there is a help command, you know?
[19:07] Diana Coman: and otherwise notes for things you find useful but tend to forget otherwise
[23:08] Felicia Solecrimp: i search help in the command but did not understood to see my skills tried searching ossasepia but also did not found it hehe
Day changed to 2026-08-12
[05:02] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp you can grep skill euconfig.ini
[07:19] Vivian Sporepress: Diana Coman: for known uses I mean like how CFT is needed to build smalls. likewise tools and tables have their uses in gathering and crafting, but it seems there's no way to craft those now (though I forget whether the CT plans were still stocked with Rainer Tracksnarl).
[07:24] Vivian Sporepress: on finding out uses, hmm. I may have been so bold as to try a direct use of scribbled elucubrations but cordage, slag and whatnot sound even less appetizing
[07:34] Vivian Sporepress: basically I'm not yet perceiving a reason to craft anything in particular besides cft. to be sure, even for that there's a semirandom multidimensional dynamic parameter space to explore; still, dunno if it's the magpie mind or what but it seems boring to work on just that one item.
[07:46] Vivian Sporepress: with exploring, it's still somewhat interesting because there's new spots to be found and some items even still undiscovered; but with crafting, the recipe contents are already known and what's left is to apply the knowledge - but for what?
[07:50] Vivian Sporepress: * chuckles at "cross tangible" as head-autocorrect for "coarse frangible"
[13:51] Diana Coman: ahaha cross-tangible-thread would be something
[13:52] Diana Coman: http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6212 - seems being the operative word there
[13:52] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-12 (Eulora 2) Vivian Sporepress: Diana Coman: for known uses I mean like how CFT is needed to build smalls. likewise tools and tables have their uses in gathering and crafting, but it seems there's no way to craft those now (though I forget whether the CT plans were still stocked with Rainer Tracksnarl).
[13:54] Diana Coman: http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6213 - putting things in one's mouth is indeed the first way of learning about new stuff but hopefully it doesn't remain the only way!
[13:54] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-12 (Eulora 2) Vivian Sporepress: on finding out uses, hmm. I may have been so bold as to try a direct use of scribbled elucubrations but cordage, slag and whatnot sound even less appetizing
[13:56] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, from what you say, it sounds more like a missing visible demand for something other than cft. As it were, people don't yet have enough... visible needs or possibly more complex activity to require anything other than one's own health
[13:57] Diana Coman: which would almost suggests at least potions might be a thing, only it's quite funny that these would normally require the cooking which is in fact more complex than tinkering
[13:58] Diana Coman: and yes, the cooking skill as well as others have been available for a while already, only nobody seems to have found any of them yet
[13:59] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, it's an interesting view though, for sure, this one on what even makes "no way to make x" or how/when someone comes along and figures out that way that didn't even seem to others to exist
[14:09] Diana Coman: basically eulorans are still gatherers mostly and only just faintly stirring towards some manufacturing activity
[14:12] Diana Coman: and the lack of wild animals/similar dangers makes for at least one incentive missing, too
[15:20] Raphael Nethersmell: http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6212 -- i bought a ct plan and ddin't try it out yet, not sure if they're still for sale.
[15:20] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-12 (Eulora 2) Vivian Sporepress: Diana Coman: for known uses I mean like how CFT is needed to build smalls. likewise tools and tables have their uses in gathering and crafting, but it seems there's no way to craft those now (though I forget whether the CT plans were still stocked with Rainer Tracksnarl).
[15:25] Raphael Nethersmell: http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6213 -- crafting bct while training saves time in leveling up compared to crafting cft. as far as crafting other stuff, like ibs, fs, dg, what're you doing with the resources they use as inputs, just sit on them in inventory ? i've crafted those because i said, well, i've got the inputs, and I see these are useful in other second order goods, so why not craft them and start accumulating for when i'm ready to build the more complex items.
[15:25] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-12 (Eulora 2) Vivian Sporepress: on finding out uses, hmm. I may have been so bold as to try a direct use of scribbled elucubrations but cordage, slag and whatnot sound even less appetizing
[22:31] Vivian Sporepress: http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6219 - perhaps there is "abiogenesis" where a recipe can be written into being where none existed prior; or perhaps they're hiding somewhere out in the vast environment; but as far as currently known phenomena go, there's no way to craft something without at least one existing recipe to equip
[22:31] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-12 (Eulora 2) Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-12 (Eulora 2) Vivian Sporepress: Diana Coman: for known uses I mean like how CFT is needed to build smalls. likewise tools and tables have their uses in gathering and crafting, but it seems there's no way to craft those now (though I forget whether the CT plans were still stocked with Rainer Tracksnarl).
[22:32] Vivian Sporepress: meant to link http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6218
[22:32] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-12 (Eulora 2) Diana Coman: http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6212 - seems being the operative word there
Day changed to 2026-08-13
[09:01] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, the limits of known phenomena, indeed.
[09:03] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, good point about sitting on resources. Half-wondering whether held stuff shouldn't ever so slowly decay with time, too, as in incentive to be used perhaps. Even sold to the npc is perhaps better in that it becomes at least available to other players, though the need doesn't yet seem to be all that pressing.
[16:59] Felicia Solecrimp: How can I find the cooking skill ?
[18:04] Felicia Solecrimp: yeah found ricky reeds :D
[18:24] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, no one reported finding it yet.
[18:25] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, do you have the tinkering/crafting skill ?
Day changed to 2026-08-15
[11:18] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, presumably like the others were found, either lying around somewhere or as a possibly unexpected result of doing some activity...
Day changed to 2026-08-16
[22:50] Felicia Solecrimp: I bought some food and it hasnt appear
[22:50] Felicia Solecrimp: i left the bag outside of my inventory when the game was starting and it do not update
[22:53] Felicia Solecrimp: it is a spicy moss mousaka
[22:55] Felicia Solecrimp: it got restore to my inventory somehow i had lag and did not notice
[22:56] Felicia Solecrimp: Raphael Nethersmell how can i buy the crafting skill from you and do the bundles ?
Day changed to 2026-08-17
[12:53] Diana Coman: Felicia Solecrimp, glad to hear it sorted itself out with just a bit of letting it be
[12:53] Diana Coman: it's meant to be quite resilient like that, indeed
[16:27] Raphael Nethersmell: http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/02/Notices-and-Announcements-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#285 -- looks like my ~150k cr q6 pop was outshined something like a match in front of the sun, lolz.
[16:27] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-15 (Notices and Announcements) Ulrich Logfetch: ** Euloran economic activity during one month to day 00 of month 11, year 8 (era 1): PCs' held value in items increased by 33`238`227 and their cash increased by 111`564; NPCs' held value in items increased by 14`931 and their cash decreased by 111`564; environment value decreased by 33`761`270. All amounts are shown in Euloran Shell (10`000 Shells to 1 Copper). **
[16:47] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, eh, that's still a claim only, not yet the outputs so it remains to be seen what comes out of it - if I even get to build it before it expires
[16:49] Diana Coman: 150k cr q6 should make for a good tinkering run, maybe dg ?
[17:20] Vivian Sporepress: good morning eulora. I've had less luck (profits) on building tinies lately but smalls and the occasional ordinary have been good; used up the stack of cft q19 from Diana Coman and going to try my own q2 product for a while.
[17:21] Vivian Sporepress: got an excess of cftr q2 with that, if it's of value to someone.
[17:25] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, what markup on those q2 cftr?
[17:25] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, yeah, though I'm short on rf & sm. do you have either ? both ?
[17:26] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, i'll buy those cftr q2, how many do you have ?
[17:26] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, rf I have for sure, a one of the basics. Maybe it's time to expand and go for the middle resources like sm, too.
[17:33] Vivian Sporepress: I could sell 300 atm and can probably make more. not sure how to price them, any offers?
[17:37] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, can you fill 20k rf q1 ?
[17:38] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress how about 110% qabv ?
[17:41] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, yes for 20k rf q1
[17:41] Diana Coman: if you meet me at my tree at 0, -32 I can do the trade now
[17:43] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, omw.
[17:45] Diana Coman: Vivian Sporepress, fwiw I sell my cftr at 110%, though they are higher q as this is what comes out currently. I'm fine to pass on these now, they are more of a nice to have for me atm than a must have. And most likely I'll head off for getting more resources first by the looks of it anyway.
[17:50] Vivian Sporepress: alright, I could sell them at 110% but 2 os minimum trade size - so either a premium now, or I'll see about making more.
[17:51] Diana Coman: looking now at the exchange with Raphael Nethersmell, I guess the client could be a bit more helpful and show the de facto markup too, along side the actual values
[17:52] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, thanks for the trade. I'll let you know how it goes with the sm
[17:56] Diana Coman: now I even wonder if this was the highest value trade to date in e2, at least among PCs. Maybe Monroe Quarterslit could keep track at some point.
[17:58] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, that'd be nice to show the marked up values and the bv. basically show why it's not balanced.
[17:58] Raphael Nethersmell: sounds like a cool thing for Monroe Quarterslit to track.
[17:59] Diana Coman: grepping through the notes reveals that I had in fact thought of adding it clientside when I added the qabv in the exchange and noted that it's not so straightforward if/when there are different items that might each have different markups, hm.
[18:01] Diana Coman: basically the client could calculate and show a sort of averaged markup overall for a trade but it wasn't/isn't clear to me if that's not more confusing than helpful when there is more than one type of item in the trade
[18:05] Raphael Nethersmell: ah, good point. it's not even a solved problem on how to display the trades that allocate the resources, let alone resource allocation problem itself.
[18:11] Diana Coman: quite. Open to ideas, proposals, prototypes and contributions, too!
[18:20] Vivian Sporepress: Raphael Nethersmell: if you want to fill up the trade for today, I've got plenty more RF, or other items, just check in the tree (-25,-30)
[18:34] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, ok, thanks, I'll check later today and let you know. i've been operating on open door policy on my cavern lately too, given euloraville remains rather rural for now.
[19:24] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, i'll buy all your sm and 10k sb q1 in addition to the cftr q2
[20:59] Raphael Nethersmell: http://ossasepia.com/2026/07/06/Notices-and-Announcements-Logs-for-Jul-2026/#270 -- hey, I finally got one : almost readable scribbled elucibrations q18 ; "faint lines on crumbling background surely mean somthing ! with enough squinting, it could be:harlot"
[20:59] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-07-06 (Notices and Announcements) Monroe Quarterslit: New items spotted in the wild, with varying descriptions and unknown properties! Anyone finding, crafting or otherwise obtaining one that reads close enough to a harvestable's name may have it exchanged with Diana Coman for that exact harvestable - at least during this current euloran month 5 of year 8.
[21:18] Raphael Nethersmell: shc=arse ; lolz.
[21:22] Raphael Nethersmell: as it was degrading rapidly, i first tried to arm it in slot 20 while building a bct, while training, but it seemingly wasn't used at all. so then I tried to sell it so Wolfgang Middlesit, but he didn't bite. so I used it with the only noticeable efect being sp, co, and gn each decreasing by 10%, though they're all recovering by now.
[21:35] Vivian Sporepress: Raphael Nethersmell: ok, can sell sb at 110% but sm at 120%.
[21:36] Vivian Sporepress: eating farts proves mildly unhealthy again
[22:24] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, perhaps there's an hormetic effect.
[22:24] Raphael Nethersmell: let me know when it'll be convenient for you to trade.
[22:28] Vivian Sporepress: I'm here
[23:05] Raphael Nethersmell: omw
[23:08] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, here, quote me the total owed por favor. I didn't note the q & c of the sm.
[23:27] Vivian Sporepress: Raphael Nethersmell: I'm getting 13664
[23:29] Vivian Sporepress: http://jfxpt.com/paste/huv9fnxckj itemized
[23:32] Raphael Nethersmell: Vivian Sporepress, thanks.
[23:33] Vivian Sporepress: all set, thanks
Day changed to 2026-08-18
[02:17] Felicia Solecrimp: guys D: I did you you were trading today
[02:17] Felicia Solecrimp: seems like i skip all the fun today
[03:19] Felicia Solecrimp: Raphael Nethersmell can you see me
[03:19] Felicia Solecrimp: im at 167 -287
[03:37] Felicia Solecrimp: thanks for making business
[16:49] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, Wolfgang Middlesit has q2 Chicken Scribblings for sale. at his 120 markup, he's charging 696 shell. I have a q1 CS that i'll sell you at a 10% discount to the q2 he's offering, as per thelogic discussed here. you'll owe me 696*.9 == 626 shell of value. which if paid in lbn q11, would be 518 lbn.
[16:49] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-06-10 (Eulora 2) Raphael Nethersmell: http://ossasepia.com/2026/06/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Jun-2026/#5672 -- what is mean is, I have various q1 skills. currently w/ Wolfgang Middlesit, the lowest q sms is 11, with a 120% markup, he's charging 1452 shell. a q1 sms is qabv 110 shell. if I offer it at 1452*.9 = 1306 shell, i obviously get a massive markup on the q1 sms, but the player still gets the skill at a discount to what the npc is offering. this would only work for skills since quality isn't known to affect their utility. my question is, is that a fair "loophole" to offer or too... extractive on my part.
[21:12] Felicia Solecrimp: Ill buy it from you
[21:12] Felicia Solecrimp: you want 518 lbn ?
[21:13] Felicia Solecrimp: Raphael Nethersmell ?
[21:45] Raphael Nethersmell: do you already have the lbn ?
[23:05] Felicia Solecrimp: not yet
[23:13] Raphael Nethersmell: how much do you make per day, normally ?
Day changed to 2026-08-19
[00:57] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, I will sell it to you on credit, but asking the above to have an idea of how long the repayment period would be.
[00:59] Raphael Nethersmell: fwiw, it my own botting I get > 300 lbn per day.
[11:17] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, the sm run went quite well, it took a bit more than 1 day to find barehanded an ord at the sm spot and then the rest of the time to travel around getting the ord bundle, ziggurating, carrying the result. At least the yield was quite ok, some 30k sm and a bunch of chicken scribblings on top.
[11:19] Diana Coman: as for price, I guess I'll follow for now the current SM market as set in http://ossasepia.com/2026/08/03/Eulora-2-Logs-for-Aug-2026/#6284 so there are some 30k SM q1 available at 120%
[11:19] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-08-17 (Eulora 2) Vivian Sporepress: Raphael Nethersmell: ok, can sell sb at 110% but sm at 120%.
[11:21] Diana Coman: for basics it remains at 110% as per earlier http://ossasepia.com/2026/05/01/Eulora-2-Logs-for-May-2026/#5583
[11:21] Ulrich Logfetch: Quoting 2026-05-19 (Eulora 2) Diana Coman: as my cavern-stocking with basics is progressing nicely (at least for q1, that is), I can offer currently any basic resource at q1 for 110%. Depending on the quantity, it might take a while to fill in some larger order but I'll have at least some estimate for it. Higher q might be available too but at a different markup and on a case by case basis.
[15:28] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, cool. i'll buy 6k to start. what did the sm ord bundle call for ?
[15:48] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, took advantage of Rainer Tracksnarl's fresh supplies after his cleanup. Otherwise though the SM bundle is actually doable currently at least in principle as it takes tlc, lh, dm - but for my char at least it would take these in huge quantities so not quite sure how long it would take me to get hundreds of molluscs, lolz
[18:44] Raphael Nethersmell: i'm have to check out what he's slinging ! let me know a time that'd be convenient for you to trade.
[21:01] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, I'll likely be around tomorrow afternoon, 2-3pm utc or otherwise later in the evening
[22:59] Felicia Solecrimp: I have the 518 lbn
[23:00] Felicia Solecrimp: Raphael Nethersmell
[23:00] Felicia Solecrimp: and the hm bundles
Day changed to 2026-08-20
[14:58] Felicia Solecrimp: Raphael Nethersmell where are you?
[15:46] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, x=100 z=-143 in ppp
[15:51] Felicia Solecrimp: going there
[15:54] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, i'll pay 110% qabv for those tiny cdg bundles.
[15:59] Felicia Solecrimp: why 17 shell rap ?
[16:02] Raphael Nethersmell: for the tcdgb
[16:03] Felicia Solecrimp: but shell ?
[16:04] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, can do the sm trade at my tree
[16:11] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, omw.
[16:12] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, qabv t=tcdgb q=9 c=15 m=110 == QABV = (m/100)*cnt*bv*q/bq = (110/100)*15*11*9/100 = 16.33. Using base value 11 at base quality 100, for given shc tcdgb, name Tiny Clump of Dry Grass Bundle, category Bundles.
[16:15] Monroe Quarterslit: Raphael Nethersmell, please group items together in exactly TWO stacks only.
[16:18] Diana Coman: Raphael Nethersmell, trade when ready
[16:21] Raphael Nethersmell: Diana Coman, thanks.
[16:22] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, the bv of the tcdgb got populated in my knowledge base by Rainer Tracksnarl.
[16:29] Raphael Nethersmell: Felicia Solecrimp, how much lbn did you spend per bundle ?
[17:50] Felicia Solecrimp: 1
[17:54] Felicia Solecrimp: Ulrich Logfetch where are you ?
[17:54] Felicia Solecrimp: Ulrich Logfetch where are you?
[17:54] Ulrich Logfetch: Felicia Solecrimp, I am currently at -16.40 99.62 10.80 in Preposterously Prosperous Place
Day changed to 2026-08-23
[10:30] Felicia Solecrimp: Good morning :)
[10:53] Diana Coman: good morning Felicia Solecrimp
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