#eulora Logs for 29 Apr 2016



April 29th, 2016 by Diana Coman
zakorus123: hey guys [00:25]
zakorus123: im on the game [00:25]
zakorus123: i cannot for the life of me figure how how to do anything [00:26]
Birdman: hey zakorus123 [00:33]
Birdman: are you on windows? [00:33]
zakorus123: hey birdman [00:33]
zakorus123: yes [00:33]
Birdman: sweet, so first things first you'll probably want to get some skills from a player, either one of the sacrificers danielpbarron or hanbot probably have some for sale, or some of our top crafters/gatherers could make you a skill book [00:34]
Birdman: in 200 level intervals if you're the first to reach that level in a certain skill line you get exclusive access to creating skillbooks that can boost a player to half that level, so say the first to level 400 gathering can make a skill book that can boost a player to level 200 [00:35]
Birdman: so thats how you'd go about getting a skill, i could see if i could make you a tinkering book for free, lemme see [00:36]
zakorus123: ty dude [00:36]
zakorus123: see you ingame [00:36]
Birdman: far as it goes, some of the stuff in game is sorta command line, if you want to gather some resources, you'd type /explore [00:37]
zakorus123: i type explore but it says i cant explore twice in the same location [00:37]
zakorus123: but i never explored even once [00:37]
Birdman: ah that happens sometimes, type /unstick [00:38]
Birdman: it'll say you cant unstick, but it'll do the trick [00:38]
Birdman: you also have access to a bot, so if you'd want it to explore, you'd type /bot explore, same with crafting, and you'd add values for certain things like the time it should wait between a craft or explore, and how many times to do it etc [00:39]
zakorus123: ok cool works [00:39]
Birdman: well seems i dont have what i need to make you a tinkering book [00:39]
zakorus123: its cool [00:40]
Birdman: are you going to deposit any btc initially or trying to work from ground up? [00:40]
zakorus123: ill figure it out ^^ [00:40]
zakorus123: work from ground [00:40]
Birdman: cool, well soon as you get the building skill i can give you some work, im usually afk bot exploring, but what i'll do is give you a bunch of ingredients to use to build the claims my guy over looks, and let you keep 5-10\% of it till you get some 12874 to work with [00:41]
zakorus123: ok wow ty [00:43]
Birdman: check out some of the user's shop pages to get a grasp on how things are priced and everything http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora#Eulora.27s_Shops.2C_Bots.2C_and_Miscellany [00:43]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) [00:43]
Birdman: the game is very different from others using a quality system [00:43]
Birdman: the most noob of noobs could make the most advanced of advanced things, but it'd just come out piss poor and worthless [00:43]
Birdman: so theres alot of room to fuck up and eulora is an unforgiving bitch [00:44]
zakorus123: ok [00:45]
Birdman: probably should just read the entirety of eulorum [00:46]
zakorus123: am i supposed to get a starter pacage from mircea? [00:49]
zakorus123: wahts a good bot command for exploring just give me an example [00:50]
Birdman: if you're doing it without tools do /bot explore 100000 line 5 1 7 5000 6000 [00:53]
Birdman: the line is how many steps it'll go, the 1 is to put keys back in claims, the 7 is to use 7 threads for small claims, the 5000 is how long it'll wait for the craft to be done and the 6000 is how long it'll wait to move on if the craft or explore isnt done, in milisecons [00:54]
Birdman: some of what i just said might be misinformation too [00:55]
zakorus123: thats cool [00:58]
zakorus123: ok thank you [00:58]
Birdman: ok if you do that same thing just a 0 instead of a one it'll keep the keys for the claims you find, once the claims disappear and you relog, they will turn into little bits of nothing that can be used in the next claims you find to extract whatever resource [00:59]
Birdman: so free money [00:59]
zakorus123: ohh [01:02]
zakorus123: ok [01:02]
zakorus123: i keep getting "you were not successful" after exploring [01:03]
zakorus123: is that normal [01:03]
Birdman: yeah [01:04]
Birdman: just means you weren't successful ;) [01:05]
Birdman: does it say you gained practice points in gathering? [01:05]
zakorus123: no [01:05]
zakorus123: and when i open my skills it says nothing [01:05]
zakorus123: is that normal? [01:07]
Birdman: yeah [01:08]
zakorus123: so how do i get skills? [01:08]
Birdman: see above [01:08]
zakorus123: i guess i need help from a player then [01:09]
Birdman: yes [01:11]
Birdman: i cant make any besides the basic tinkering book [01:11]
Birdman: and im missing some ingreds for it [01:11]
zakorus123: crap [01:13]
zakorus123: so i guess im stuck then [01:13]
zakorus123: if i were to explore aimlessly would i eventually gain a skill?> [01:14]
zakorus123: yes no maybe? [01:16]
zakorus123: you still there? [01:19]
zakorus123: ok i guess thats a no [01:24]
Birdman: no you'd need the item from a player [01:27]
Birdman: but you can find things and build claims without the skills [01:27]
zakorus123: yeah i thot so [01:27]
zakorus123: rlly? [01:27]
zakorus123: ok [01:27]
Birdman: alright whats going on here [01:42]
Birdman: >:) [01:42]
Birdman: i have a mysterious rock somehow magic'd into my inventory [01:42]
Birdman: from building a small claim [01:43]
Birdman: so loot? maybe a countermeasure for new players? [01:43]
Birdman: which is a skill item btw zakorus123 [01:45]
Birdman: for building if im not mistaken [01:45]
zakorus123: pl [01:59]
zakorus123: ok* [01:59]
zakorus123: can i have it [01:59]
zakorus123: was eating sorry [01:59]
Birdman: imma wait to see what others have to say about finding this [02:00]
zakorus123: ok [02:01]
Birdman: plus it might be cheaper to get it from someone else [02:01]
Birdman: not sure what this is worth since its of such a high quality [02:01]
zakorus123: gotcha [02:02]
zakorus123: i guess ill leave my character and go to sleep for now [02:06]
zakorus123: let him bot for the night [02:07]
mircea_popescu: cheers. [02:22]
diana_coman: morning [02:31]
diana_coman: Birdman> from building a small claim <- o.o [02:31]
diana_coman: congrats Birdman [02:31]
Birdman: yeah crazy huh [02:34]
diana_coman: Birdman> in 200 level intervals if you're the first to reach that level in a certain skill line you get exclusive access to creating skillbooks that can boost a player to half that level <- except for building/tinkering/gathering where I got the books but so did everyone else who was shredding at the time; sigh [02:37]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, if you sell me that io , I can then sell some shaped slag from it [02:38]
Birdman: ah good point [02:38]
diana_coman: sucking point more like it, lol [02:39]
Birdman: is looting those skill items unprecidented ? [02:39]
Birdman: well good for me anyways [02:39]
Birdman: i looted those from crafting btw [02:40]
diana_coman: I never saw that, but I suppose that might be how sortage was initially obtained perhaps? [02:40]
Birdman: just strange timing right after talking to a new player about them [02:40]
diana_coman: from crafting something *other* than books, that's the point so essentially these have *never* been exclusive [02:40]
Birdman: have any bod for sale? [02:41]
diana_coman: no, out of stock atm [02:42]
diana_coman: but others won the latest bod bp set so maybe they have something for sale, no? [02:44]
hanbot: <Birdman> i have a mysterious rock somehow magic'd into my inventory << whoa, that's pretty exciting [02:46]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman was planning on auctioning it. what's your offer specifically ? [02:49]
mircea_popescu: Birdman> i have a mysterious rock somehow magic'd into my inventory << hahah so apparently this acvtuallty works [02:50]
mircea_popescu: just not enough players to pound it i guess. [02:50]
mircea_popescu: was a very old egg hunt, maybe 6-9 months agho, eventuyally got canned. [02:50]
diana_coman: depending on the exact quantities ( have to check how many high q bps I have) I can sell you back say 50\% of resulting shaped slag (high q) at same markup [02:51]
mircea_popescu: not much of an offer is it? [02:51]
diana_coman: by the looks of it, it works once in a blue moon [02:51]
diana_coman: I dunno, what would be an offer for you? [02:52]
diana_coman: as far as I know shaped slag bps high q are not exactly lying around [02:52]
mircea_popescu: "if you sell me that io ima sell you back 2x the ss ; or ss 2x the qual, same \%" [02:52]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, something [02:52]
diana_coman: how the hell would I sell you back 2 times the ss? what, I magic it out of air? [02:53]
mircea_popescu: hey, "much of an offer" means pretty much that :D [02:53]
diana_coman: .... [02:53]
diana_coman: mk [02:53]
mircea_popescu: anyway, dun sweat it, ima auction it off [02:53]
diana_coman: hopefully danielpbarron buys it I suppose [02:55]
Birdman: what did i get some long forgotten prize? [02:55]
diana_coman: probably you are just lucky Birdman so you got some very rare prize essentially [02:55]
Birdman: heh lucky sure [02:56]
Birdman: though 55k qabv from a small, no complaints here [02:56]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 334 IO q 219, opening 6mn ; 6 ALC q 223 opening 2mn ; 11 AMGC, q 474, opening 5mn ; 12 ATC, q 130, opening 3mn ; 9 NLC, q 181, opening 3mn ; 12 NMGC, q 441, opening 5mn ; 9 NTC, q 472, opening 3mn. eta 17:00 ART. [02:58]
mircea_popescu: Birdman 55k for a small thar's what, 100x , 1000x, take your pick/ [02:59]
diana_coman: 6mn on the io [03:00]
diana_coman: more out of curiosity mircea_popescu : actually why are the gathering/building/tinkering books so special in that they are the only ones not giving any exclusivity? [03:02]
Birdman: hanbot danielpbarron this mysterious rock goes into a higher sacrifice right? i'll sell it for 200\% bv its q337 [03:28]
zakorus123: im back cant sleep [03:28]
diana_coman: zakorus123, did you get your starting package? [03:42]
zakorus123: no not yet [03:42]
diana_coman: hm, let me see as I might be able to set you up anyway [03:43]
zakorus123: ok [03:43]
zakorus123: im by the crafting table near mercae [03:44]
diana_coman: yeah, I'll make you some books, just need to wait a bit [03:45]
zakorus123: thanks! [03:45]
zakorus123: :D [03:45]
diana_coman: if you want, I can give you some work to do too [03:45]
zakorus123: not sure if theres any work i can do without any skills but sure [03:45]
diana_coman: there is [03:46]
zakorus123: ok good [03:46]
zakorus123: will help you then [03:46]
zakorus123: just tell me what you need meto do [03:47]
diana_coman: 1 sec [03:48]
zakorus123: ok [03:48]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman how do you mean ? [04:21]
diana_coman: re books? gathering/building/tinkering were lootable through all sorts which means that everybody could loot them, stuff who got first to 200 [04:23]
diana_coman: the rest are lootable only from themselves, so only by the one who got to 200 first [04:23]
mircea_popescu: well that';s how it worked back then [04:23]
diana_coman: lozl [04:23]
mircea_popescu: these are also only lootable from themselves, today [04:23]
diana_coman: anyways, kindly register my 6mn on io [04:23]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 334 IO q 219, 6mn heard diana_coman ; 6 ALC q 223 opening 2mn ; 11 AMGC, q 474, opening 5mn ; 12 ATC, q 130, opening 3mn ; 9 NLC, q 181, opening 3mn ; 12 NMGC, q 441, opening 5mn ; 9 NTC, q 472, opening 3mn. eta 17:00 ART. [04:24]
diana_coman: thanks [04:24]
diana_coman: any interest in low q wpl mircea_popescu danielpbarron ? [04:24]
mircea_popescu: sure. [04:27]
diana_coman: cool [04:29]
zakorus123: hi birdman [06:55]
zakorus123: whats new [06:55]
Birdman: oh nothin, just my piece of shit computer bluescreening [06:56]
Birdman: whatta bout you? [06:56]
zakorus123: lol im just making something for diana [06:56]
zakorus123: not really sure waht im making [06:57]
zakorus123: i just know it takes ~1hr 20 min [06:57]
Birdman: oh damn that must be a hell of a craft [06:58]
Birdman: for a noob?? [06:58]
Birdman: she must be losing it [06:58]
Birdman: ;) [06:58]
zakorus123: yeah she told me it would spit out lots of BPs [06:59]
zakorus123: i think she just wants me to skill up fast [07:00]
Birdman: ah a consideration then? not a bad idea [07:00]
zakorus123: i think shes just being super nice then LOL [07:01]
zakorus123: :P [07:01]
zakorus123: i have a bout 10 more mins till crafting done [07:02]
Birdman: no it makes sense i guess, any high quality bps would be wasted on someone of real low skill [07:02]
Birdman: and this way you'll have tons [07:02]
zakorus123: mhm [07:02]
zakorus123: she said she had to go afk for a while [07:03]
zakorus123: wonder when shes gettin back [07:03]
diana_coman: back [07:07]
zakorus123: hey diana [07:07]
danielpbarron: Birdman, yes i'll buy the rock [07:35]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, 5 and 5 mn on the amgc and nmgc [07:36]
Birdman: huh, somehow moving around overweight [07:52]
Birdman: oh there it goes [07:52]
Birdman: danielpbarron meet in town now? [07:52]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 334 IO q 219, 6mn heard diana_coman ; 6 ALC q 223 opening 2mn ; 11 AMGC, q 474, heard 5mn danielpbarron ; 12 ATC, q 130, opening 3mn ; 9 NLC, q 181, opening 3mn ; 12 NMGC, q 441, heard 5mn danielpbarron ; 9 NTC, q 472, opening 3mn. eta 17:00 ART. [07:54]
zakorus123: how do i get little bits of nothing? [07:55]
Birdman: shredding certain blueprints or maculature, or waiting till keys degrade into them [07:56]
zakorus123: how long until keys degrade [07:56]
Birdman: think it depends on how long the claims stay [07:56]
zakorus123: ok [07:56]
Birdman: hour for small claims, probably less for tiny [07:56]
zakorus123: ok [07:56]
Birdman: do you have the building skill? [07:57]
zakorus123: yes [07:57]
jurov: and key only convert on login, so you have to log out occassionally [07:57]
zakorus123: ok [07:57]
zakorus123: logging in and out then [07:57]
Birdman: wanna follow my dude around and build the tiny claims and keep 5\% of whatever comes from it? [07:57]
danielpbarron: Birdman, k [07:57]
zakorus123: naw i think i wanna do bare-handed exploring right now [07:58]
zakorus123: thanks tho birdman [07:58]
Birdman: do ya thing [07:58]
zakorus123: :) [07:58]
Birdman: 114600 danielpbarron [08:01]
Birdman: thanks [08:02]
danielpbarron: ty [08:02]
zakorus123: what can i use petrified feelings for? [08:04]
Birdman: numina is used in some lapidary crafts and ingredients in certain considerations [08:06]
zakorus123: ok [08:07]
mircea_popescu: lol havign fun zakorus123 ? [08:10]
zakorus123: very much [08:10]
zakorus123: ty mircea [08:10]
mircea_popescu: good for you. [08:10]
zakorus123: how about you :P [08:10]
mircea_popescu: triple champagne bottle yest at vip bdsm event. i'm hazed. [08:11]
mircea_popescu: can't even recall all the tits. [08:11]
zakorus123: loool [08:11]
zakorus123: tmi [08:12]
mircea_popescu: you have no idea :p [08:12]
thestringpuller: no amount of partying can prevent a regular sleep schedule for mr. popescu! impressive (despite TZ difference) [08:18]
zakorus123: lol yea [08:21]
mircea_popescu: it's easier for a guy. a) you can just sit down watch teh bitchez dance ; b) lines add to your mystique. like battlescars lite. [08:21]
zakorus123: on the otherhand i cant sleep normally for skat [08:21]
zakorus123: lol lucky [08:21]
mircea_popescu: how old are you zak ? [08:23]
zakorus123: 22 [08:24]
mircea_popescu: cool [08:24]
zakorus123: ill be 23 in 3 months exactly [08:24]
diana_coman: danielpbarron, I'll buy 50 waters of anamnesia [10:20]
danielpbarron: i have 9 [10:40]
zakorus123: cant sleep [11:04]
zakorus123: found some interesting looking snails [11:05]
danielpbarron: of the elusive purple variety? [11:05]
zakorus123: yes [11:06]
zakorus123: very low q tho [11:06]
danielpbarron: i was just gathering those m'self, to make a sacrifice [11:06]
zakorus123: nice [11:06]
danielpbarron: also use them to make ink [11:07]
zakorus123: nice they only have 7 q tho [11:07]
zakorus123: doubt youd want something that low [11:07]
danielpbarron: maybe if the price is right [11:09]
danielpbarron: there is some overcraft room in the bod recipe [11:09]
danielpbarron: could mix your quality 7 with other snails in the quality 50 range, use the max amount and with high quality ampoules [11:10]
zakorus123: allrighty. what you suppose is a good deal fir 3 q7 snails [11:10]
danielpbarron: not sure i'd go out of my way to take them for free [11:10]
danielpbarron: get 100k worth [11:10]
zakorus123: lol okay [11:10]
zakorus123: ill see you then [11:10]
zakorus123: probably take me a day [11:11]
zakorus123: or 2 [11:11]
danielpbarron: those 3 snails are worth like 100 copper [11:11]
zakorus123: yeah 27 copper to the vendor. [11:12]
danielpbarron: player would prolly pay a little over Electron's price [11:12]
zakorus123: not selling to vendor tho [11:12]
zakorus123: yeah [11:12]
danielpbarron: what quality bit did you use to make them? [11:12]
zakorus123: just wait till i have more ^^ [11:12]
zakorus123: lemme check [11:13]
danielpbarron: even a quality 11 bit might be a loss there [11:13]
zakorus123: oh wow [11:13]
zakorus123: looks like im out of my q5 bits of nothing [11:13]
zakorus123: lol [11:13]
danielpbarron: hah i never even saw bits that low before! [11:13]
danielpbarron: i guess you got that from the consideration [11:13]
zakorus123: probably cus i got them when i was lvl 1 gathering [11:13]
zakorus123: pretty bad [11:14]
danielpbarron: no you got them while rank 0 tinkering and rank 0 bouquinism [11:14]
zakorus123: yeah [11:14]
zakorus123: exactly [11:14]
zakorus123: i just recently got those skills [11:14]
zakorus123: from diana [11:14]
danielpbarron: i suspect even low quality bits would sell for way over what they are worth [11:14]
zakorus123: really? [11:14]
zakorus123: guess i should keep those keys then [11:15]
zakorus123: :P [11:15]
danielpbarron: idk it's hard to say for sure [11:15]
zakorus123: yeah but my tinkering is now lvl 9 [11:15]
danielpbarron: good [11:15]
zakorus123: so i doubt id get them of that terrible quality anymore [11:15]
zakorus123: XD [11:15]
danielpbarron: i don't think it's controversial to say you should always try to rank up at this point [11:16]
zakorus123: yeah obv [11:16]
zakorus123: ;) [11:16]
danielpbarron: used to be something we'd argue over endlessly [11:16]
danielpbarron: because it was truly the case that it was better to no rank up in the past [11:16]
danielpbarron: i think my position in that debate is finally proven correct since the big change [11:16]
zakorus123: oh so its diff now [11:17]
zakorus123: interesting [11:17]
zakorus123: i just started yesterday [11:17]
danielpbarron: back when i could pay a noob to make stupid amounts of low quality blueprints and resources and craft them myself into high quality results [11:17]
danielpbarron: it was pure profit no matter how you cut it [11:18]
zakorus123: interesting [11:18]
danielpbarron: now that blueprint quality matters in the final quality, that is no longer the case [11:18]
zakorus123: mhm [11:18]
zakorus123: how does one make a blueprint though [11:18]
danielpbarron: err. all the input qualities matter now. it used to be your output quality was a fixed amount based on your rank [11:18]
zakorus123: what bundles do i need? [11:19]
danielpbarron: you made blueprints! [11:19]
danielpbarron: the consideration [11:19]
danielpbarron: it offically makes bits of nothing but it loots random blueprints [11:19]
zakorus123: oh i see [11:19]
zakorus123: ic [11:20]
danielpbarron: idk why diana wanted low quality blueprints but whatever [11:20]
zakorus123: gonna relog to get my bits of nothing [11:21]
zakorus123: 1sec [11:21]
zakorus123: ok quality is 11 [11:22]
zakorus123: now [11:22]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> used to be something we'd argue over endlessly << i recall those days : [11:22]
danielpbarron: yes the key bits are quality 11 and with a negative "charge" whatever that means [11:23]
mircea_popescu: but it's not really clear it was worth it not to rank even back then. yes large qty of low qual items, but as you recall market for that rapidly collapsed [11:23]
danielpbarron: you can get rid of the charge by mixing them with other conventionally created bits [11:23]
zakorus123: ok [11:23]
mircea_popescu: ahhh sweet sweet q 251 bms [11:23]
danielpbarron: pretty sure the market collapsed when the change happened [11:24]
mircea_popescu: nah i thought so too but she had proof it's not the case. is in log! [11:24]
jurov: huh what charge? [11:24]
danielpbarron: first you couldn't loot blueprints from overcraft anymore, and then the quality change [11:24]
mircea_popescu: happened like a week prior. [11:24]
danielpbarron: the blueprint overcraft change was the death nail [11:24]
mircea_popescu: btw any market for numina ? [11:24]
danielpbarron: what might have happened leading up to that was the price on low quality stuff going down a little since we were finally starting to see floods of the stuff [11:25]
jurov: danielpbarron: what negative charge you mean? [11:25]
danielpbarron: but it still woulda sold for way over actual value [11:25]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron more like, stacks offered getting no bids.\ [11:25]
danielpbarron: jurov, degraded keys turn into bits that have a negative charge [11:25]
mircea_popescu: lol antielectron bits [11:26]
jurov: and what you mean by negative charge? [11:26]
danielpbarron: i'm pretty sure the no bids were happening after the blueprint change [11:26]
danielpbarron: jurov, i have no idea. it just says so in the description [11:26]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron as i said, i thought so too, but then she got into the logs and found it was before. [11:26]
danielpbarron: oh, i know what you mean [11:26]
danielpbarron: because wyrd or whoever was starting at some crazy high price [11:26]
danielpbarron: so yeah you can say "nobody bid" but i woulda bought for a lower price [11:27]
mircea_popescu: iirc wyrd always offered at bv [11:27]
danielpbarron: nope [11:27]
mircea_popescu: hm. [11:27]
danielpbarron: way way over [11:27]
mircea_popescu: nah, it was a thing of "any bids for stack of X" and silence. [11:27]
danielpbarron: if bv means quality adjusted [11:27]
danielpbarron: i recall his auctions, he would say here's a stack of whatever, starting bid however many million [11:28]
danielpbarron: or i guess it was several stacks [11:28]
diana_coman: oh my, what assorted misunderstandings around here, lol [11:29]
zakorus123: can i craft something if i dont own the blueprint? [11:29]
danielpbarron: zakorus123, no [11:29]
mircea_popescu: nope. [11:29]
zakorus123: ok thanks for the info [11:29]
danielpbarron: blueprint is like a permit to craft [11:30]
zakorus123: ic [11:30]
mircea_popescu: lol craft permit [11:30]
diana_coman: zakorus123, the blueprint gets destroyed when you make the item [11:30]
diana_coman: so you know, you can't destroy someone else's thing, lol [11:30]
danielpbarron: what if crafting without a blueprint is like having a 0 quality one [11:30]
diana_coman: ftr re those fab bits of nothing at 5q, dunno where he has them from, he did NOT click a maculature bundle for me [11:30]
diana_coman: he clicked considerations, yes [11:31]
danielpbarron: oh right, considerations make maculatures, my bad [11:31]
zakorus123: no i got them from keys [11:31]
danielpbarron: keys turn into quality 11 though [11:31]
diana_coman: and ftr I made his bundles so that the resulting bps are still to my mind ok, namely 119q [11:31]
zakorus123: could be wrong about the q tho [11:31]
zakorus123: yeah rpobably 11 then [11:31]
zakorus123: gettin confused sorry [11:31]
diana_coman: anyway danielpbarron I'll take those 9 waters you have [11:31]
danielpbarron: k [11:32]
diana_coman: better get some sleep zakorus123 ? [11:32]
zakorus123: lol already did... only 2 hours tho [11:32]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> what if crafting without a blueprint is like having a 0 quality one << but a 0 quality WHICH lol [11:32]
Birdman: <diana_coman>and ftr I made his bundles so that the resulting bps are still to my mind ok, namely 119q << so then just for getting numina? [11:32]
diana_coman: ? [11:32]
diana_coman: what do you mean Birdman ?? [11:32]
Birdman: seems a waste to use a noob to do that [11:32]
diana_coman: ? [11:32]
Birdman: im not sure, but it seems you'd just be burning money [11:32]
diana_coman: it was *still* overraft [11:32]
danielpbarron: yeah what is the benefit in having a noob click it? [11:32]
diana_coman: overraft, lol [11:33]
Birdman: ya and he's probably the least suited to do it [11:33]
diana_coman: nope [11:33]
diana_coman: lol [11:33]
Birdman: definitely the least suited [11:33]
danielpbarron: you control overcraft with quality of blueprint.. noob just does it less efficiently i think [11:33]
zakorus123: how do i make blueprints myself [11:33]
diana_coman: nooooo [11:33]
diana_coman: lolz [11:33]
zakorus123: just wondering [11:33]
danielpbarron: zakorus123, you did! [11:33]
danielpbarron: that part isn't wrong [11:33]
zakorus123: no i didnt [11:33]
Birdman: you get free value from skill rank [11:33]
diana_coman: I even discussed this with mircea_popescu earlier in here, really danielpbarron [11:33]
zakorus123: not myself [11:34]
zakorus123: i did it with the help of diana [11:34]
zakorus123: and her items [11:34]
zakorus123: <--- wants to know how to make my own [11:34]
danielpbarron: well you did make them even if she gave you the means to do it [11:34]
danielpbarron: you need all the stuff she gave you basically [11:34]
Birdman: so someone without any skill rank is just less suited to extract value from something [11:34]
danielpbarron: and you should probably have bouqinism skill [11:34]
mircea_popescu: zakorus123 you need : a consideration, one or two black of desspayr, a dubious tome and some numina [11:34]
mircea_popescu: oh and some worn old screens and wtf was the tool [11:35]
danielpbarron: and a token [11:35]
mircea_popescu: penance clogs! [11:35]
Birdman: clogs [11:35]
zakorus123: how do i make/ get them [11:35]
danielpbarron: makes tokens [11:35]
zakorus123: just harvesting? [11:35]
mircea_popescu: tokens come from sacrificing things ; clogs are a mcguyver item [11:35]
danielpbarron: haha no [11:35]
zakorus123: oic [11:35]
diana_coman: zakorus123, you are probably better off just buying bps atm [11:35]
diana_coman: take it easy [11:35]
zakorus123: ok [11:35]
mircea_popescu: http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/Worn-Old-Screens.html << worn old screens [11:36]
danielpbarron: i guess any of you could make tokens now, if you found an altar.. [11:36]
diana_coman: danielpbarron, you control quality through bp AND bundle q [11:36]
diana_coman: not only bp [11:36]
danielpbarron: right whatever, but noob doesn't help [11:36]
diana_coman: oh yes it does [11:36]
Birdman: yeah but sacrificing without the skill crashes the server right? [11:36]
danielpbarron: in what way [11:36]
mircea_popescu: nope [11:36]
danielpbarron: Birdman, no that's fixed i believe [11:36]
Birdman: ah [11:36]
diana_coman: I would need two times the q of that bundle (or more) to get same overcraft! [11:36]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 334 IO q 219, 6mn heard diana_coman ; 6 ALC q 223 opening 2mn ; 11 AMGC, q 474, heard 5mn danielpbarron ; 12 ATC, q 130, opening 3mn ; 9 NLC, q 181, opening 3mn ; 12 NMGC, q 441, heard 5mn danielpbarron ; 9 NTC, q 472, opening 3mn. eta 17:00 ART. [11:36]
zakorus123: where do i find altars [11:36]
mircea_popescu: zakorus123 they're one of the rarest items in game. [11:37]
diana_coman: with same bp I mean etc [11:37]
mircea_popescu: iirc danielpbarron has some bps [11:37]
zakorus123: ic [11:37]
diana_coman: but you know, don't let me spoil it for you, lol [11:37]
danielpbarron: has 2 altars, 1 worn out competely, and 3 blueprints to make more [11:37]
zakorus123: ok so does anyone have any basic tool bps i could buy [11:37]
zakorus123: and if so how much [11:37]
danielpbarron: you shouldn't make tools [11:37]
mircea_popescu: zakorus123 basic tool takes shaped slag tho. [11:37]
zakorus123: darn! [11:37]
Birdman: i dont think you're gonna wanna bother with any of that zakorus [11:37]
zakorus123: its so confusing [11:38]
mircea_popescu: lol [11:38]
diana_coman: wow, well done danielpbarron [11:38]
zakorus123: ll [11:38]
danielpbarron: you should make shavings and slags [11:38]
zakorus123: ok [11:38]
mircea_popescu: what did he do ? [11:38]
diana_coman: the altar bps [11:38]
danielpbarron: yeah none of what i jsut said is new info [11:38]
Birdman: if i were you i'd bare handed explore and rank yourself up doing that, then tackle tinkering when you can get yourself some nice overcraft with your own harvested resoures [11:38]
danielpbarron: i bought those in an official auction.. [11:38]
mircea_popescu: yeah i recall a while back [11:38]
zakorus123: ok then i will in fact do the bare-hadned exploring [11:38]
diana_coman: ah, I forgot that, I thought you looted those [11:39]
mircea_popescu: zakorus123 if you don't have a decent stash of ECu it's hard to craft. [11:39]
danielpbarron: i looted pincered skullcaps.. [11:39]
zakorus123: just wanted to know what you guys recommended [11:39]
diana_coman: lol zakorus123 I thought that *was* exactly what you were doing [11:39]
Birdman: dont forget, when the bar of the skill turns yellow you need to go to the trainer to.. train [11:39]
danielpbarron: zakorus123, you should get those skills somehow and keep having people pay you to craft things [11:39]
Birdman: which costs money [11:39]
zakorus123: ok good [11:39]
danielpbarron: i would pay for your training if you would take my threads and gather with them [11:39]
zakorus123: i can do that dan [11:40]
zakorus123: lemme just store my threads so they dont mix [11:40]
mircea_popescu: good idea lol [11:40]
mircea_popescu: mix his cft he'll prolly strangle you [11:40]
Birdman: curious to see if he hits smalls at any rate [11:40]
mircea_popescu: (hopefully you mix it with low enough q so it breaks when he tries) [11:40]
danielpbarron: no i was gonna give him my lower quality ones for this [11:40]
danielpbarron: yeah that's a point, do you even find smalls or is it all tiny? [11:41]
mircea_popescu: so nobody wants any kind of numina ? [11:41]
zakorus123: i found 1 small [11:41]
zakorus123: so far [11:41]
zakorus123: but that was right after i hit lvl 20 [11:41]
zakorus123: so 5 min ago [11:41]
Birdman: oh you know what, maybe he should use tools [11:41]
mircea_popescu: lol. [11:41]
Birdman: i got 100\% smalls with tools till level 200 on the dot [11:41]
zakorus123: cool [11:42]
mircea_popescu: would be interesting if same happens to him. [11:42]
diana_coman: danielpbarron, ping when ready to trade those waters? [11:42]
zakorus123: oh i did get some larger ones with tools [11:42]
zakorus123: smalls i guess [11:42]
mircea_popescu: check it out, 8 players online. [11:43]
danielpbarron: diana_coman, ping [11:43]
diana_coman: and 7 of them giving directions to zakorus123 lol [11:43]
mircea_popescu: hahahah yea [11:43]
zakorus123: you guys are awesome [11:43]
danielpbarron: ty [11:44]
diana_coman: thanks danielpbarron [11:44]
zakorus123: it helps to get lots of info cus m brain just drinks it up [11:44]
mircea_popescu: so nobody wants any kind of numina whatsoever ? [11:44]
zakorus123: :) [11:44]
jurov: they want to exploit you! [11:44]
zakorus123: haha [11:44]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, what numina do you want so much to sell? [11:44]
zakorus123: your funny jurov [11:44]
diana_coman: some 800+ q sentiments? [11:44]
mircea_popescu: some of them want to use you... some of them want to be abused... [11:44]
danielpbarron: my numina tab is literally full [11:44]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nothing in particulate. [11:44]
zakorus123: lol [11:44]
diana_coman: mine too and I plan to make some sentiments out of those shitty feelings [11:45]
diana_coman: zakorus123, take it slowly, really [11:45]
diana_coman: get some sleep too [11:45]
danielpbarron: currently it's way harder to make waters than to make numina so i don't see the rush in buying them [11:45]
zakorus123: will do [11:45]
mircea_popescu: you might have noticed that diana_coman's shitty feelings have ripened into a deeper sentiment... [11:45]
diana_coman: there's a lot in there, but it doesn't go anywhere [11:45]
zakorus123: hahaha [11:45]
danielpbarron: if you're gonna sleep, be sure to leave the bot going [11:45]
danielpbarron: even if you have nothing to build in the claims, just collect keys and ennumerations at least [11:45]
diana_coman: danielpbarron, what do you need for making waters? [11:46]
diana_coman: or rather: what are you missing [11:46]
danielpbarron: i can do it all myself [11:46]
mircea_popescu: o wow, fuck, i just remembered major auction upcoming in may. [11:46]
mircea_popescu: goes to read it again [11:46]
diana_coman: ahahaha [11:46]
Birdman: yep [11:46]
diana_coman: yeah [11:46]
danielpbarron: they just use a little of everything [11:46]
diana_coman: so then why are they hard to make? [11:46]
danielpbarron: gotta grind toolkits, samovars [11:46]
diana_coman: hm [11:46]
mircea_popescu: lol look at it, it's broken! [11:47]
danielpbarron: needs a snakeskin each [11:47]
mircea_popescu: ima have to fix it. [11:47]
danielpbarron: i just harvested 30 snakeskins though [11:47]
danielpbarron: currently making them into waters [11:47]
danielpbarron: q 268 skins :D [11:47]
diana_coman: I'd buy more waters danielpbarron [11:47]
diana_coman: nice [11:47]
danielpbarron: and q 500+ skins from the few smalls i found [11:48]
danielpbarron: how are you even using the waters though? [11:48]
diana_coman: basically with zakorus123's help I looted toils so yes danielpbarron [11:48]
danielpbarron: aha [11:48]
danielpbarron: neato [11:48]
danielpbarron: a lapidary consideration [11:48]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, any gung-ho cons? [11:49]
Birdman: if you want i could sell you some of mine for a ridiculous mark up [11:49]
diana_coman: 9 waters are not even enough to get rid of 1 single stack of feelings [11:49]
diana_coman: lol Birdman [11:49]
Birdman: :P [11:49]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-official-may-auction-or-a-celebration-of-lifestyles/ << 3rd item is IMP ch. nfi why i put plain ones [11:49]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulora : Official May Auction, or a celebration of lifestyles! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [11:49]
mircea_popescu: why's nobody said anything! [11:49]
diana_coman: maybe wanted hoe plans? lol [11:50]
mircea_popescu: lol [11:50]
danielpbarron: i mostly sold those waters because they were ones i made before the quailty change [11:50]
danielpbarron: current batch coming out 195 [11:50]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman wow you looted toils ?! [11:50]
diana_coman: aha [11:50]
mircea_popescu: wd. [11:50]
diana_coman: with the "makes no sense!!!11" approach, lol [11:51]
mircea_popescu: hm ? [11:51]
diana_coman: what danielpbarron and Birdman were bitching about in here a sec earlier that it makes no sense to click cons with a noob [11:51]
danielpbarron: and you haven't convinced me otherwise [11:51]
diana_coman: good [11:52]
Birdman: yeah it doesnt in terms of value, if you need to loot a specific bp or something fair nuff but you're definitely 'wasting' value [11:52]
diana_coman: lolk [11:52]
danielpbarron: what is the logic here? [11:52]
Birdman: i think that since he's such a noob they'll see more value in the loot than the product, and different bps to boot [11:53]
diana_coman: Birdman, tell me how are you wasting value exactly [11:53]
diana_coman: kind of curious [11:53]
Birdman: why ever level up [11:53]
mircea_popescu: ah eulora, that enchanted realm of harmony and consonance. everyone agreeing with everyone else on everything all the time... [11:53]
Birdman: i can turn that q11 bit into something say q40 [11:53]
diana_coman: funny thing mircea_popescu is that essentially I'm better off NOT explaining the thing [11:53]
Birdman: wonder what zakorus123 would make with that same bit [11:53]
diana_coman: so yeah, cool, makes no sense, sure [11:53]
zakorus123: what would i make with what [11:54]
zakorus123: sorry was afk [11:54]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman conspiraci [11:54]
diana_coman: Birdman, you certainly make more value out of the same bit than zakorus123 does, no? [11:54]
diana_coman: so I don't see the point of "why ever level up2 [11:54]
danielpbarron: right, "never rank up" is no longer a think [11:54]
danielpbarron: thing* [11:54]
diana_coman: danielpbarron, never was in the absolute as you like to put everything [11:54]
mircea_popescu: if it ever was [11:55]
danielpbarron: yes it was! [11:55]
zakorus123: hey guys are boulders at all usefull? [11:55]
mircea_popescu: yes [11:55]
diana_coman: yes zakorus123 , everything is useful [11:55]
zakorus123: ok [11:55]
zakorus123: i just have a metric fuckton of them [11:55]
diana_coman: just keep exploring and getting them and we settle at the end, ok? [11:55]
zakorus123: lol [11:55]
Birdman: useful to fill up my damn guy >_> [11:55]
zakorus123: ok [11:55]
Birdman: anyways diana_coman, point being is that the guy with the higher level gets more value out of the thing [11:55]
Birdman: otherwise, why ever level up [11:55]
Birdman: im sure mircea_popescu makes some pretty baller stuff out of q1 resources [11:56]
diana_coman: gets more value out of low level stuff BUT at the same time has a fucking hard time getting overcraft basically [11:56]
mircea_popescu: notrlly. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: even if i buy q1 i usually mix it more towards 60ish or so [11:56]
mircea_popescu: seems to be the sweet spot for me. [11:56]
danielpbarron: how do you figure hard time getting overcraft?? that's determined by difference in bundle to blueprint [11:56]
diana_coman: oh [11:57]
diana_coman: mk [11:57]
zakorus123: everyone seems to be arguing about things that are way over my head [11:57]
zakorus123: lol [11:57]
mircea_popescu: don't worry, it was the same 6 months ago. [11:57]
diana_coman: lol zakorus123 don't take it personally [11:57]
zakorus123: XD [11:57]
diana_coman: you know, just follow the money basically :))) [11:57]
zakorus123: #moneyfollowing [11:58]
zakorus123: :) [11:58]
diana_coman: there, can't go wrong [11:58]
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, what's the difference between a leperchaun and a gynecologist ? [11:58]
mircea_popescu: (leprechaun follows the money) [11:58]
diana_coman: does money follow the gynecologist? [11:59]
mircea_popescu: lol [11:59]
diana_coman: to me they are both rather despicable items [11:59]
mircea_popescu: come to think about it... i've never met a poor one. [11:59]
diana_coman: aha [11:59]
mircea_popescu: plenty of poor lawyers, plenty of poor actresses, plenty of poor athletes [11:59]
mircea_popescu: not yet seen a poor gynecologist. [11:59]
zakorus123: lol [12:00]
mircea_popescu: like dentist on steroids - makes more 14075$ and doesn't even have to do any extractions. or root canals. [12:00]
diana_coman: danielpbarron, let me know if there are any more waters for sale (higher q even better) [12:49]
danielpbarron: we'll see [13:00]
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/eulora-shop/#woa [13:12]
mircea_popescu: damn foxy why on my head! [13:14]
diana_coman: lol mircea_popescu it's hanbot! [14:43]
mircea_popescu: no, i was crafting there an' you came and dropped your wheel like, right on me [14:44]
mircea_popescu: plenty o space you know! [14:44]
mircea_popescu: had to pack up all my shit and move cuz impossible to target the tiny btk [14:44]
diana_coman: oh, didn't see your tiny btk, sorry [14:45]
hanbot: is sacrificing on her own skull, has no part in these shenanigans! [14:45]
diana_coman: hm danielpbarron is that markup gone to 225\%? [14:46]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, 5.25mn on the amgc [14:49]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 334 IO q 219, 6mn heard diana_coman ; 6 ALC q 223 opening 2mn ; 11 AMGC, q 474, heard 5.25mn diana_coman ; 12 ATC, q 130, opening 3mn ; 9 NLC, q 181, opening 3mn ; 12 NMGC, q 441, heard 5mn danielpbarron ; 9 NTC, q 472, opening 3mn. eta 17:00 ART. [14:49]
mircea_popescu: bout 1hour to go. [14:49]
diana_coman: has that hour gone mircea_popescu ? [16:33]
alikim: so, if your locked claim expires and gets GCed, the key never degrades [17:44]
alikim: is it something on todo list? [17:52]
hanbot: Birdman your 15 ist're ready, ping me w/e [18:21]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, 5.52 the amgc [18:42]
danielpbarron: diana_coman, price is a price, no assurance that i'll always want same \% [18:44]
danielpbarron: the considerations you apparently won are for over 200\% if i'm not mistaken [18:44]
Zakorus123: evening [20:35]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ayup. [21:05]
mircea_popescu: alikim yeah actually. [21:09]
mircea_popescu: (it's not "never", just not through the normal process, but anyway) [21:09]
Zakorus123: i love this game. its so interesting [21:35]
Zakorus123: something new to learn at every turn [21:35]
mircea_popescu: :) [21:36]
Zakorus123: :) [21:36]
mircea_popescu: tell your friends! [21:36]
Zakorus123: yknow waht yeah! ima tell aston right no [21:37]
Zakorus123: now* [21:37]
Zakorus123: hope hes into it [21:37]
Zakorus123: he might be afk in the game we usualy meet in [21:39]
Zakorus123: hes afk but i left him a message [21:40]
Zakorus123: im trying to get everyone in DT to come over to irc [21:45]
Zakorus123: have you ever thought of making a btctalk thread? [21:48]
Zakorus123: i think ive hooked one of my friends in [21:49]
Birdman: i think bitcoin talk is the last place any of us want to be getting players from [21:51]
Zakorus123: if i get someone in will i get a reward? [21:51]
Zakorus123: :P [21:51]
Zakorus123: rlly? [21:51]
Zakorus123: whys that? [21:51]
Birdman: idk place is a derp fest [21:51]
Zakorus123: ok [21:51]
Zakorus123: *shrugs* [21:51]
Zakorus123: i invited my frined joes he says he;ll stop by later [21:57]
Zakorus123: anyone buy basic harvestables? [22:02]
Zakorus123: i have rickety reeds tubers and floatsam for sale right now [22:03]
Zakorus123: quality 9-11 [22:03]
Zakorus123: nvm i thinl ill keep em for now [22:04]
Birdman: i think what would be best for you right now is following my guy and building the claims, best exp and higher q resources [22:06]
Birdman: at least as a way to rank up [22:06]
mircea_popescu: Zakorus123> have you ever thought of making a btctalk thread? << i think maybe danielpbarron did at some point. you're more than welcome to [22:07]
mircea_popescu: dunno how many people here actually go on tardstalk tbh. [22:07]
mircea_popescu: and yes Zakorus123 i buy. [22:07]
Zakorus123: ok [22:07]
Zakorus123: offred trade [22:08]
Zakorus123: u wanna calc or should I/ [22:09]
mircea_popescu: sec [22:09]
Zakorus123: ok [22:09]
mircea_popescu: (4 * 262 + 21 * 59 + 8 * 159 + 5 * 197 + 28 * 141) * .09 * 1.3 = 993.564 [22:10]
Zakorus123: ok [22:10]
mircea_popescu: thanks. [22:10]
Zakorus123: np [22:10]

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