| Gaxaro: | Hello! | [01:52] |
| Birdman: | hello | [02:07] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron if you need bbb i have surplus, i see you gathering it | [02:08] |
| Birdman: | somethin screwy is happening with the bot where its mixing used tools with the stack of unused | [02:15] |
| Birdman: | 13 q149 tlc from an ord | [02:16] |
| Birdman: | cs ord that is | [02:16] |
| Birdman: | yippie | [02:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | sooo i'm making ibs q 39 now | [07:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | q6 bundle. | [07:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman btw, if you're digging up that tlc i'm buying. | [07:40] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, what's the bv on maculature? or more directly: what'd cost to get 100 of them? | [08:24] |
| diana_coman: | cost me* that is, lol | [08:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | buy some considerations and click them, afaik ? | [08:26] |
| diana_coman: | I thought you were selling maculature as such, too? anyway: how much for the mcguyver and tink considerations + how many bods they take | [08:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | Maculature I, all dusty and ready to go, 200\% base value. Quality 200 and over. < you meant that ? | [08:29] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [08:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. i currently have stashed 217 q 131. will be making more this coming week, prolly 250ish | [08:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | 217 * 1727 * 1.31 * 2 = 982k if you're happy with this set. | [08:31] |
| diana_coman: | aha, I'll take that | [08:32] |
| diana_coman: | and how about 1 tink cons + 1 mcguyver cons + 2 bods (or however many they take)? | [08:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | im not selling bods. | [08:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | but there's an auction for that line sunday, hopefully winner(s) put some on market. | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | ok, how much for the tink+mcguyver cons only, then? | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | Various Considerations (the recipe looting items) - make me a great offer. <<!!111 | [08:34] |
| diana_coman: | I'm a bit in the dark re those so can't really say much about them | [08:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | course i only have apprentice tink atm. | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | le sigh | [08:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | but will be making more, maybe even tomorrow, godwilling! | [08:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | apprentice consen take 2 bod each. | [08:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | (journeyman - 1) | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | mk; by this: "DM 5k each + 150\% base value." <- do you mean q irrespective or is that bv adjusted in fact? | [08:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | adjusted. | [08:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | otherwise i'd juyst you know, compute an ecu price | [08:36] |
| diana_coman: | well yes, but above it's written adjusted so then it seems confusing why not write it anymore | [08:37] |
| diana_coman: | hence my asking | [08:37] |
| diana_coman: | but good, I'll get onto getting some molluscs then | [08:37] |
| diana_coman: | they are coming out some nice q | [08:37] |
| diana_coman: | any minimum numbers? | [08:37] |
| diana_coman: | as in: min quantity you want to take | [08:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, 50 ? | [08:38] |
| diana_coman: | kk | [08:38] |
| diana_coman: | they are some 400q+ | [08:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | not bad! | [08:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | are canines still not found btw ? or wait, you don't do mining | [08:40] |
| diana_coman: | I DO MINING | [08:40] |
| diana_coman: | but still a way to go | [08:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. so canines ? | [08:40] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I have about 10, lol | [08:40] |
| diana_coman: | come mine, some huge | [08:40] |
| diana_coman: | but none new | [08:40] |
| diana_coman: | working on it | [08:40] |
| diana_coman: | apparently still not high skill enough to find them this century | [08:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [08:41] |
| diana_coman: | I burnt another 100 cs but no clear diff so far | [08:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think after i'm done with these piles of craftables ima go dig up some nt. | [08:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, and mine my sb remarks. | [08:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually i think ima dig one up tonight. | [08:42] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I should have some of those too | [08:42] |
| diana_coman: | did not really dig the basic remarks | [08:42] |
| diana_coman: | but then yeah, my sortage skill is still shit | [08:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | meh, nah, still too much shit to craft here. | [08:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | but at SOME POINT!!11 ima dig one up, and then make myself some cs, and then dig up some nt, and then produce all this acg. | [08:44] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [08:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | somuchworktodo.jpg | [08:45] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I know; anyway, ready to trade for those maculatures? | [08:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [08:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | beenready for 20 minutes lol | [08:45] |
| diana_coman: | oh, sorry, did not realise it | [08:45] |
| diana_coman: | do you have change? | [08:45] |
| diana_coman: | thank you | [08:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheers. | [08:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | you gonna say what happens when you click em ? | [08:46] |
| diana_coman: | hm, probably nothing? lol | [08:46] |
| diana_coman: | lemme see | [08:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | what, you make q 500 lbn ? | [08:47] |
| diana_coman: | lol, dunno, let's see (I seriously doubt that though) | [08:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyone figured out how teh output q works so far, btw ? :D | [08:47] |
| diana_coman: | judging by how silent everyone else is, I'd guess they have either figured it out OR really working on it | [08:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [08:48] |
| diana_coman: | 146q lbn + collected library dusts | [08:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey. if you get mites i want 'em. | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually i might also want the dusts, lemme see here. | [08:55] |
| diana_coman: | the dusts are ALSO q 146 ftr | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [08:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | yep, want both dusts and mites. how much you sellin' em for ? | [08:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually - finish the run, we talk after. | [08:58] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, let me finish | [08:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much does it make, i forget, 103 lbn per maculature ? | [09:02] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [09:06] |
| diana_coman: | I was running really low on lbn and nobody is selling any, so kind of no choice | [09:06] |
| diana_coman: | seeing how on the other hand I kind of can't keep up with cs production to cover all my own use it would seem | [09:07] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw, ranked up 1 level in bouq but no noticeable difference, so this at least doesn't seem to have changed | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol! | [09:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | 217*103 = 22351 | [09:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | how long do those feed you, a day ? | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I know that, lol | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | depends on what I go basically, what tools etc | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | but I aim to minimize tiny claims rather | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | it's more for emergencies, lol | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | a, really ? | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno how sustainable cs mining is really. | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | I did not mean that | [09:29] |
| diana_coman: | it's more complex than binary either tools=lbn or cs=smalls+ords | [09:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [09:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | shit mining technology progressed while i've been crafting | [09:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | how do you minimize tinies ?! | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | for one thing imp tools give me clearly a different ratio tiny:small | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | for the other it depends where(location) and what(resource) I go for | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | for that I have data showing it clearly, not saying that there aren't OTHER things too | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | feels left behind | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | well, somehow mining seems to me to be more complex than tinkering, but maybe it's just that I know slightly more of it | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | maybe | [09:31] |
| danielpbarron: | i figured out how to control quality in building | [09:37] |
| danielpbarron: | and it gives me an idea as to how to control it in tinkering, but i don't get why my pointy slag would come out 31 | [09:37] |
| diana_coman: | how is that danielpbarron ? | [09:38] |
| danielpbarron: | i have an idea for a test but haven't tried yet | [09:38] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, so previous atc + 2bod (!) went for ...740k, right? | [09:38] |
| danielpbarron: | lol you didn't figure it out yet? | [09:38] |
| danielpbarron: | it's really simple | [09:38] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [09:38] |
| danielpbarron: | here's a hint: only my bot can have max control over build quality | [09:40] |
| diana_coman: | what is "your" bot? | [09:40] |
| danielpbarron: | my modified your bot | [09:41] |
| diana_coman: | aha, lol | [09:41] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron> and it gives me an idea as to how to control it in tinkering, but i don't get why my pointy slag would come out 31 <- I guess that shows that you are still missing something though | [09:42] |
| diana_coman: | anyway: what is your modification of the bot? locking the smalls? | [09:43] |
| danielpbarron: | aha | [09:43] |
| diana_coman: | if you mean that tiny and small claims give different q, than yeah, that's obv, no? | [09:43] |
| diana_coman: | and ftr so do ords, lol | [09:43] |
| diana_coman: | it's a bit more than that though | [09:43] |
| danielpbarron: | easiest to figure out on smalls, but it's trivial to extrapolate for other sizes | [09:44] |
| diana_coman: | guess so | [09:45] |
| diana_coman: | is fine with her control on q output tink or building | [09:45] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, I'll take 5 of your inconsequential tokens; also: are you selling any black of desspayrs? | [09:47] |
| danielpbarron: | i have none | [09:47] |
| danielpbarron: | and ok | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | sighs | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | then tokens only | [09:47] |
| danielpbarron: | i made that stupid deal that won't trigger for years | [09:48] |
| diana_coman: | oh, you gave all of them as part of that deal? | [09:49] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah | [09:49] |
| danielpbarron: | also i'm afk now; will let you know when i'm back | [09:49] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [09:49] |
| danielpbarron: | back | [10:52] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, | [10:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | ugh how the fuck you got q136 st danielpbarron ? iirc the one gifted were q 85 | [13:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | didja lj it ?! | [13:05] |
| danielpbarron: | sacrifice | [13:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh | [13:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh right. so we actually DO have a pathway for st then do we ? | [13:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | phew. | [13:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | canines too ? | [13:11] |
| danielpbarron: | well not anymore, i didn't have any supplications pre-made | [13:11] |
| danielpbarron: | so now i have piles of useless drafts and not-useful-yet enums | [13:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh. | [13:12] |
| danielpbarron: | plus i still have just the one altar | [13:12] |
| danielpbarron: | i need some double distilates to make more | [13:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, but you got some bps neh ? | [13:13] |
| danielpbarron: | yep | [13:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | sell 'em to me ima craft 'em. what they take ? | [13:13] |
| danielpbarron: | not for sale | [13:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [13:13] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd trade a blueprint +whatever for an altar | [13:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's in the recipe ? | [13:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | or is it a secret o.O | [13:15] |
| danielpbarron: | 1-3 rock dd (and since the recent change i'd demand you use 3), 12 to 15 pss (idem, 15), 3 boulders, 39 to 52 srs (idem 52) | [13:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh. | [13:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | is it what, mcguyver ? | [13:15] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | here's a deal : you give me the 3 bps ; grenadine gives me 9 rdd bps ; i personally handpick the highest q possible for the dds and the srs, make the altars highest q possible. then you get one, free. she gets one, free. the third i get for my trouble, and i'll auction it right off. | [13:18] |
| danielpbarron: | nope | [13:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | well ok then! | [13:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | <danielpbarron> i made that stupid deal that won't trigger for years <<< actually i think it might never trigger. all the clicks so far have produced bouquinism bps. | [13:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | if that's mcguyver... | [13:29] |
| danielpbarron: | if you ever click a mcguyver consideration it might | [13:30] |
| danielpbarron: | but i guess you have an incentive to never click one and just auction them all | [13:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose that's true, but my plan was to sell all the non-bouq cons so other people can have some fun. | [13:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think the best move here is to covert that deal back into what i first proposed, what was it, mcguyver books ? | [13:31] |
| danielpbarron: | well i got altar blueprints now, so i kinda prefer bouq considerations | [13:32] |
| danielpbarron: | since i gotta loot some supplications | [13:32] |
| danielpbarron: | or if i can't make a deal for rdd, then i'd also like gung-ho considerations | [13:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. | [13:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dun think i wanna trade bouq cons. | [13:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | my other problem atm is that i'm affraid to click the cons, because wtf, what if i get 0 oc. | [13:36] |
| diana_coman: | hm, if more altars are coming on, I guess I'd better wait for that - might get to make some tokens at a more reasonable price; sorry danielpbarron, guess I won't take those tokens for now | [14:31] |
| diana_coman: | hopefully I won't run out of bps by then or someone actually *sells* bps finally | [14:40] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu ill buy 100 maculture 1 if you have it | [14:40] |
| Birdman: | eh and the instructions to go with it | [14:42] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm in no rush to sell tokens, but i don't think altars are coming online any time soon | [15:34] |
| danielpbarron: | welp, i figured out why my pointy slag came out so low | [15:49] |
| danielpbarron: | test confirmed what i suspected | [15:50] |
| jurov: | what you suspected? | [15:51] |
| danielpbarron: | oh i think i also figured out what that edge case was that got fixed after the update | [15:55] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm typing it all up in a draft, might be an article later | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw danielpbarron I CAN control q of building output with the published version of the bot, no problem | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: fully control | [15:58] |
| danielpbarron: | yours locks smalls now too? | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | no, I said published version - no need to lock the smalls to actually control | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | it's all a matter of planning rather | [16:05] |
| Birdman: | put 2 different stack and make the bot put tinies in one smalls in the other? | [16:46] |
| diana_coman: | that would be possible as a change to the bot Birdman , certainly (and not a bad idea at all either) but I said published version of the bot - as it is, as it was (no new version published as far as I know) | [16:47] |
| Birdman: | ahh, what would your idea be then? | [16:48] |
| diana_coman: | know your numbers basically, lol | [16:48] |
| danielpbarron: | actually yes you need to lock them for ~max~ control | [16:54] |
| diana_coman: | nope | [16:54] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [16:54] |
| danielpbarron: | so your bot keeps qualities separate in a craft table as it goes? | [16:54] |
| diana_coman: | no danielpbarron : I just plan my run so that I know exactly what q I will get out of it and without any loss | [16:54] |
| danielpbarron: | without any loss? how | [16:55] |
| danielpbarron: | not possible | [16:55] |
| danielpbarron: | you will lose to rounding | [16:55] |
| diana_coman: | mk, lol | [16:55] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman's idea might work | [16:55] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman's idea surely works, absolutely | [16:55] |
| diana_coman: | hence why I said: not a bad idea at all | [16:56] |
| danielpbarron: | not sure how you would set it up initially though | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | but if you truly figured out how q works now, you should know it's not at all impossible to do what I am doing | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, you don't need to set anything up: just change the bot to put the content of smalls in one slot and of tiny in another slot | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | look at how it chooses slot for the worn-out tools | [16:57] |
| danielpbarron: | not possible | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | looool | [16:57] |
| danielpbarron: | moving things from container to inventory will mix | [16:57] |
| danielpbarron: | it's not a bot thing, it's a server thing | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | is getting tired of hearing how she does the impossible all the time | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | yeah sure, tell me how the bot does and what it can do and what not, ok | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | will take notes | [16:58] |
| danielpbarron: | you aren't moving a used tool from a container | [16:58] |
| danielpbarron: | you're moving it from your person | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I said look there for how the slot is chosen | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | not for how to move things, lol | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | the two are different, but since you declared it impossible, I'm gonna leave you to it | [16:59] |
| danielpbarron: | you can choose whatever slot you want when moving it within yourself | [16:59] |
| danielpbarron: | are you saying the retarded behavior of moving items from a container is entirely due to the client being stupid? | [16:59] |
| diana_coman: | you can work around it basically | [16:59] |
| danielpbarron: | .. | [16:59] |
| diana_coman: | not very easily, but it can be done | [17:00] |
| diana_coman: | especially programatically | [17:00] |
| danielpbarron: | yes, by dropping a craft table and organizing in there | [17:00] |
| diana_coman: | time consuming and all that and the reason why I do not intend to waste time implementing it (giving how I do not really think it is necessary)but there are workarounds | [17:00] |
| diana_coman: | for instance, yes | [17:00] |
| danielpbarron: | ok so that's how you could set up birdman's thing | [17:01] |
| danielpbarron: | put the result of a small and the result of a tiny into a craft table and pick it up | [17:01] |
| danielpbarron: | from then on your results should sort into their respective piles | [17:01] |
| diana_coman: | yeah | [17:01] |
| diana_coman: | that I am not sure as such | [17:01] |
| diana_coman: | it needs testing but in the worst case you can repeat the thing | [17:02] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm pretty sure it does, i've done it that way with ords | [17:02] |
| diana_coman: | even better than expected then | [17:02] |
| diana_coman: | in any case, if I were to implement that, I would even try first to just move them with specified slot - worth a try | [17:05] |
| diana_coman: | and now I'll let the bot do the impossible again, namely to explore over night some wwb at pre-known q 173 | [17:23] |
| danielpbarron: | .. | [17:24] |
| danielpbarron: | that is not max control | [17:24] |
| danielpbarron: | max control would be having at least two different qualities | [17:24] |
| diana_coman: | why? | [17:24] |
| diana_coman: | it doesn't lose anything | [17:24] |
| danielpbarron: | i guess if you just the right quality bits to go with just the right number and quality threads | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | sure, you could have in principle as many different q as you have claims | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | so why stop at smalls/tinies then? why not each individual claim? | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, of course, know your numbers and all that | [17:26] |
| danielpbarron: | you'd need very high quality bit and low quality thread | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | rather: just right q bits and threads | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | and as a side: if you are after maximizing output, I'd say you always want as high q bits of nothing as possible, since you have only to win from that, no? obv, need to balance if you want the smalls built too, sure | [17:27] |
| danielpbarron: | my bits are a certain quality | [17:28] |
| danielpbarron: | but yes ideally everything i have is highest quality for lowest cost | [17:29] |
| Birdman: | ah they do mix when taking from world to player | [17:47] |
| Birdman: | there goes that idea | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | lol Birdman read the logs or something | [17:48] |
| Birdman: | you'd have to just lock the smalls to get later if or have equal outputs from tiny to small | [17:48] |
| diana_coman: | .... | [17:48] |
| Birdman: | but im pretty sure the claim itself would vary even | [17:48] |
| Birdman: | not just the ingreds | [17:48] |
| diana_coman: | 1. you can plan to have equal q output from tiny and small 2. bot can be changed to store the stuff separately if desired (though not very straightforward, but certainly not impossible) | [17:49] |
| Birdman: | <mircea_popescu>Birdman btw, if you're digging up that tlc i'm buying. << we'd have to work out a price and they'd probably be crazy expensive | [17:50] |
| Birdman: | site is too small to even bother getting without cs even | [17:50] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, there's a bigger site next to grass Birdman | [17:51] |
| Birdman: | really now | [17:51] |
| Birdman: | coords? | [17:51] |
| Birdman: | can you keep things seperate taking them out of a table diana_coman | [17:52] |
| Birdman: | table -> person, i dont think you can | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | you don't have to - just move table | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | pickup table as such, they stay separate | [17:53] |
| Birdman: | right to put if from claim to person to table and move the table with you | [17:53] |
| Birdman: | but then you run out of space after what 12 claims? | [17:53] |
| diana_coman: | what? lol | [17:53] |
| Birdman: | explain how your idea would work lol | [17:54] |
| Birdman: | i think im missing something | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | are you going to implement it or what? | [17:54] |
| Birdman: | just curious | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | so go and practice with a table, lol | [17:55] |
| Birdman: | think i hit the next tier in gathering because leveling is incredibly difficult all of a sudden | [21:53] |
| Birdman: | after it seemingly becoming easier after i got farming skill | [21:53] |
| Birdman: | which im not sure has any correlation | [21:53] |
| Birdman: | in any case, no ords from all those tools so far, and im nearly done with em | [21:54] |
| Birdman: | basic tools seem to be only a waste of money at their prices right now | [21:54] |
| danielpbarron: | i got two remarks using basics recently | [22:12] |
| hanbot: | wow wf | [22:56] |
| hanbot: | *wd | [22:56] |
| Birdman: | impressive | [22:58] |
| danielpbarron: | also got a pop doing this cordage i think.. although i don't see a message | [23:22] |
| danielpbarron: | but i think i got 2 mn worth | [23:22] |
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