| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 3000 * 60 * 5.9 | [07:03] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 3000 * 60 * 5.9 = 1062000 | [07:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | no pop, but nice | [07:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm danielpbarron you there ? | [11:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman sadly i have no ppb ; but i could make high q ppb. do you want it high q ? | [11:35] |
| diana_coman: | any ppb is better than no ppb for sure; but what are you missing for lower q ppb? I think I still have some stacks of low q bps in light of the oc need discussed yest | [11:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | mostly ingredients. i only have high q sb | [11:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | i do have some ords so i guess if noob shows up i can fix it though | [11:37] |
| diana_coman: | ah, lemme see | [11:38] |
| diana_coman: | I still have one stack of sb at 17q if you want it | [11:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure thing. | [11:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q ppb are you targetting ? | [11:39] |
| diana_coman: | let me drag it out of storage... | [11:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | np. also the mites. | [11:39] |
| diana_coman: | mind waiting for the mites until I get to do the lapidary run so we just do one trade there? | [11:39] |
| diana_coman: | they aren't enough for 1 click anyway as it is | [11:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | np. | [11:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman q 431. the whole run is | [11:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 2598 * 3 * 60 * 5.87 | [11:44] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 2598 * 3 * 60 * 5.87 = 2745046.8000000003 | [11:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2 3/4mn. | [11:44] |
| diana_coman: | fine with me, I'll take it all | [11:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | o you want the feelings as well ? | [11:45] |
| diana_coman: | I'm not even sure it will be enough to finally finish the toothpaste stocks, but I'll check | [11:45] |
| diana_coman: | hm, actually yes | [11:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | this was grass not ppb. | [11:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | or i'm confused. what are we talking about ? | [11:45] |
| diana_coman: | oh, now I see 3*60, lol | [11:45] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, still fine, yeah | [11:45] |
| diana_coman: | sorry, I was into ppb/moving sb here | [11:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, the oc is 156+21 = 177 points each click ; but the loot is 1-2 feelings on avg. | [11:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | which imo blows, | [11:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 1.77 * 180 / 10 / 4.31 | [11:47] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 1.77 * 180 / 10 / 4.31 = 7.392111368909514 | [11:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | 7\% rly wtf. | [11:47] |
| diana_coman: | lol; did you get any sentiments at all on cft in the end? (I never did) | [11:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno this is the run to test that. | [11:48] |
| diana_coman: | ah, not yet done | [11:48] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [11:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | so far getting about 15\% returns on the oc which is pretty outrageous / a new low. | [11:49] |
| diana_coman: | lol; my theory is that basically the higher q you go, the more you potentially "lose" really, hence yeah, the lower the return observed on average/without pop | [11:49] |
| diana_coman: | on the other hand ofc theoretically at least the more chances for a pop | [11:49] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, sb ready | [11:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 9999 * 58 * .17 * 1.5 | [11:51] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 9999 * 58 * .17 * 1.5 = 147885.21000000002 | [11:51] |
| diana_coman: | hm, accept | [11:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty | [11:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | sorry about that lol, i get distracted by blinkenlichten | [11:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway - what q were you targetting for the ppbs ? | [11:56] |
| diana_coman: | hm, some 170 or thereabouts I think is ok but obv if it is to get feelings too then it would better be above 200 | [11:58] |
| diana_coman: | such complicated matters, lol | [11:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | no listen, if i go to get numina i won't be mixing in this q 17 stuff | [12:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | so will have very low ppb volume | [12:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | if i go for reasonable ie < 200 q then i mix it in, will have >100 ppb. | [12:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | so pick an outcome. | [12:00] |
| diana_coman: | ok; what is "very low ppb volume"? | [12:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | like 10 | [12:00] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha, easy choice then: 170q or thereabouts | [12:01] |
| diana_coman: | I could use on the spot some 730 ppb so no way only 10, lol | [12:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | alrighty, will do. | [12:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | you can prolly pick up tomorrow. | [12:03] |
| diana_coman: | cool | [12:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman so far 0 sentiments ; bout 60\% done | [14:41] |
| diana_coman: | I wouldn't be surprised if 0 sentiments when 100\% done | [14:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess so huh. | [14:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, i ended up with a pile of high cft from the exercise. now i'm wondering if it should be used to a) dig up more grass ; b) dig up flotsam for possible use in ibs for making high bottles or c) dig up cs-found wm smalls for high wm | [14:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman i got one! | [15:06] |
| diana_coman: | o.O | [15:06] |
| diana_coman: | congrats then | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | rare, yes. here it is though, undeniably possible. | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 1679/923 | [15:07] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 1679/923 = 1.8190682556879738 | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | soo in the end, 2598 clicks, 2846 cft q 431 + 7559 feeling and 1 sentiment. | [17:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 2846 * 180 * 4.31 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 + 1000 * 4.31 | [17:35] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 2846 * 180 * 4.31 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 + 1000 * 4.31 = 2538029.6999999997 | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | output | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 2598 * 3 * 60 * 5.87 + 2598 * 18 * 2.04 | [17:36] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 2598 * 3 * 60 * 5.87 + 2598 * 18 * 2.04 = 2840445.3600000003 | [17:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | input, so a 302415.66 loss (10.64\%) in bv terms | [17:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 2598 * 3 * 60 * 5.87 * 1. + 2598 * 18 * 2.04 | [17:37] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 2598 * 3 * 60 * 5.87 * 1. + 2598 * 18 * 2.04 = 2840445.3600000003 | [17:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | oops | [17:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 2598 * 3 * 60 * 5.87 * 1.6 + 2598 * 18 * 2.04 * 10 | [17:37] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 2598 * 3 * 60 * 5.87 * 1.6 + 2598 * 18 * 2.04 * 10 = 5346060.48 | [17:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | input, market priced | [17:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 2846 * 180 * 4.31 * 1.8 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5 | [17:38] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 2846 * 180 * 4.31 * 1.8 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5 = 4647404.04 | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | output, "market priced". | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 2846 * 190 * 4.31 * 1.8 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5 | [17:38] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 2846 * 190 * 4.31 * 1.8 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5 = 4868196.72 | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 2846 * 210 * 4.31 * 1.8 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5 | [17:38] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 2846 * 210 * 4.31 * 1.8 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5 = 5309782.079999999 | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol wtf. | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 2846 * 180 * 4.31 * 2.1 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5 | [17:39] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 2846 * 180 * 4.31 * 2.1 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5 = 5309782.08 | [17:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok, so the price of high q cft will be 210\%, low q stays 180\%. | [17:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 1000 * 4.31 / 7559 * 10 * 4.31 | [17:39] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 1000 * 4.31 / 7559 * 10 * 4.31 = 24.574811483000396 | [17:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | 24.6 ratio for sentiments diana_coman ! that's utterly ~not~ nothing. | [17:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | also, making 14 ppb high q / rest normal q, so we'll have best of both worlds here. | [17:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | high q coming out q 437 | [17:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | bundle is 608 | [17:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | so for this short run, input | [17:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 14 * 4466 * 6.08 + 14 * 446 * 2.02 | [17:42] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 14 * 4466 * 6.08 + 14 * 446 * 2.02 = 392758.8 | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | and market priced input, | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 14 * 4466 * 6.08 * 1.5 + 14 * 446 * 2.02 * 10 | [17:42] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 14 * 4466 * 6.08 * 1.5 + 14 * 446 * 2.02 * 10 = 696347.68 | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | o fuck i blew the previous calc. | [17:44] |
| diana_coman: | wait, what | [17:44] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [17:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 1000 * 4.31 / 7559 / 10 / 4.31 | [17:45] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 1000 * 4.31 / 7559 / 10 / 4.31 = 0.01322926313004366 | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1.3\% | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | low, but present. | [17:45] |
| lobbesbot: | Post from dianacoman: The Sentiments of Grass <http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/12/05/the-sentiments-of-grass/> | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | there ^, in honour of your 1 single grassy sentiment mircea_popescu | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand results : 14 sticks an' 1010 feelings ;/ | [17:53] |
| diana_coman: | you mean ppb? or cs? | [17:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 14 * 4466 * 4.37 + 1010 * 10 * 4.37 | [17:54] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 14 * 4466 * 4.37 + 1010 * 10 * 4.37 = 317366.88 | [17:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | 50\% loss meuh! | [17:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 14 * 4466 * 4.37 * 1.79 + 1010 * 10 * 4.37 * 2 | [17:54] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 14 * 4466 * 4.37 * 1.79 + 1010 * 10 * 4.37 * 2 = 577355.4852 | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | hey, it's 50\% ...retained! think of yourself as a beautiful monkey and all that! | [17:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah no wait wasn't that lossy. | [17:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 317366.88 / 392758.8 | [17:55] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 317366.88 / 392758.8 = 0.8080452430346565 | [17:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | 20\% loss. worse than grass but very short run | [17:55] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, kind of hard to say anything on it really | [17:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman hey this stack was 9915 | [17:57] |
| diana_coman: | what stack? | [17:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | sb | [17:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | q 17 | [17:58] |
| diana_coman: | really? ugh; I'll get the rest to 9999 | [17:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | nm, i already mixed it in | [17:59] |
| diana_coman: | I DID have some 100 sb that went separate, but I thought they did not fit into the stack | [17:59] |
| diana_coman: | weird thing | [17:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | well cuz 100 wouldn't have. | [18:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | 84 short. | [18:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman so the ppb is coming out q 139 | [18:04] |
| diana_coman: | it usually tops the pile and the rest flows over | [18:06] |
| diana_coman: | in my xp other than this | [18:06] |
| diana_coman: | but whatevs; I'll get the 84 next time | [18:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah yes saw it do that also. | [18:06] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, re ppb guess it'll have to do | [18:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | i had the choice of mixing all or selecting. i figured it's better if i separate the q > 600 sb and do a short oc run | [18:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | than mix it into the low q sb (q 61 in the end) | [18:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you'll get like 150 ppb q 139 and 14 q 437 | [18:08] |
| diana_coman: | I have toothpaste for about 730 ppb, lol | [18:08] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, I'll take that, sure | [18:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, i get a little sb whenever i grass, so there will be more supplies here. | [18:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw shinohai you wanna do 5 sb ords ? | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I also get a bit, but really: a bit | [18:09] |
| shinohai: | sure mircea_popescu lemme log in | [18:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool deal im in town just trade me | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | after getting this ppb I'll make a run of cs; shinohai would you want to use a few sticks for me at the grass spot? You'll get the xp and at least some idea as to what you can expect to get out of the ord claims | [18:11] |
| shinohai: | has nothing better to do in Eulora of late | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman why not cs shrooms ? | [18:11] |
| diana_coman: | obv, after I make the cs, as right now I'm out of cs | [18:11] |
| diana_coman: | it'll be only a few at grass mircea_popescu , mainly for shinohai to have some numbers | [18:12] |
| shinohai: | sure | [18:12] |
| diana_coman: | re shrooms though - weren't you the lumberjack? | [18:12] |
| diana_coman: | shinohai, why not let it explore barehanded at least though? | [18:13] |
| diana_coman: | if nothing better to do anyway | [18:13] |
| shinohai: | I'm out of storage space for keyz | [18:13] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, so what sort of thread do you need to make a profit on those claims? | [18:14] |
| diana_coman: | and I thought you had an option to buy some cft from mircea_popescu , no? | [18:15] |
| shinohai: | The Bitcoin gods have not smiled on me this month so I can buy in | [18:16] |
| shinohai: | :/ | [18:16] |
| diana_coman: | oh | [18:16] |
| diana_coman: | well, maybe with the money from some of those building jobs then | [18:17] |
| shinohai: | I do have ~20 small grass claims for when I do get more cft | [18:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai i can sell you some cft now off your batch | [18:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman i think i might try the shrooms too | [18:18] |
| shinohai: | ok will work it out after this claim run | [18:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | currently oscillating between that and overcharging the grass process. | [18:18] |
| diana_coman: | I really did not develop my lj because I knew you were on that + farming is hard enough by itself anyway | [18:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai i expect they're all close by in the grass area | [18:19] |
| diana_coman: | it's true that building+gathering by themselves might still mean I get it higher q | [18:19] |
| diana_coman: | but no idea really | [18:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | im just thinking, maybe i should just keep pushing this grass thing, take my 430 cft mine more grass there. | [18:20] |
| shinohai: | kk will b back shortly | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman do you foresee an end to buying q 400+ feelings ? | [18:20] |
| diana_coman: | atm not really, or at least not unless the markup jumps higher or something | [18:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | or maybe if we totally run out of wos I suppose | [18:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i think first i'll just supercharge the grass process, keep making high q cft and turn it back into grass smalls and so on. | [18:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | then get some wm once the cft finds its top | [18:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mostly want to see if i dwindle down or maintain or what. | [18:23] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [18:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | in truth nobody afaik ran a top q process so far so we don't even know how it plays out | [18:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | and with a solid 2.8k cft to try it with... why not. | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | I think danielpbarron said about doing something similar in the beginning but he did not give details | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | besides if it fizzles out i get the grass ords and lbn grass to fall back on so won't be like i kill the line | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman well ok but this whole numina having a market thing is novel. | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, that market is ...me, lol | [18:25] |
| diana_coman: | should say "the market is I" | [18:25] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [18:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | tbh i also want to get myself some stocks, a few stacks say | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm just giving you most favoured foxy clause here. | [18:29] |
| diana_coman: | favoured foxy, ahahah | [18:30] |
| danielpbarron: | you're gonna see how high you can make cft? | [18:30] |
| danielpbarron: | (yes i have tried this) | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [18:30] |
| danielpbarron: | i think i topped out in the 350 range | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | currently at 680 grass / 430 cft. | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i never tried a small with 7 q430 cfts. should be interesting | [18:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | i expect it dampens quickly. | [18:31] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah i started to run out of threads | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I did get grass 800q+ | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | but I did not make that into cft directly | [18:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron my plan is to see how badly. | [18:31] |
| danielpbarron: | and 2.5k threads is ~nothing | [18:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | granted. | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | oh, danielpbarron so does that woa exist? lol | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | o right. woa! | [18:32] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah apparently it's sold even but i cannot log in at the moment | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | darn | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | how long ? | [18:32] |
| danielpbarron: | hopefully i can get a temporary thing going in a week but we'll see | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O darn. | [18:33] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, it's sold but kind of for my using it first to turn it into mites for mircea_popescu anyway | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | eulora, the only software that DOESNT update stranding your hardware ; and yet it still dun matter! | [18:33] |
| danielpbarron: | anyone else notice how non-tmsr sites don't even load on ~sane computers? | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. | [18:36] |
| danielpbarron: | i keep having to use my phone to look stuff up, and then manually type the address of a .iso file into curl | [18:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | saves me a lot of time | [18:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman "has grown" | [18:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i wonder what innocent people make out of your surreal eulora articles lol. | [18:40] |
| shinohai: | "dafuq did I just read?" | [18:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai ima be off to town, back in a few. | [18:44] |
| shinohai: | kk | [18:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | or are you almost done ? | [18:45] |
| shinohai: | i have 2 more to go | [18:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite, when im back you can get grass. | [18:46] |
| shinohai: | mircea_popescu: back in town if u wanna trade | [19:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai back nao | [23:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman there ? | [23:50] |
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