| diana_coman: | hanbot, collect when convenient: 15 ss 546q, 160k total) | [03:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | 0.04 more lalala. | [09:07] |
| diana_coman: | got my nbc bundle together finally, it turned out 358q :( | [09:41] |
| diana_coman: | still, not that bad | [09:41] |
| diana_coman: | I could oc even with foxy clicking it, but not a whole lot, so prolly looking for someone else to click | [09:42] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, what do you want for clicking it? | [09:43] |
| diana_coman: | or mod6 ? | [09:43] |
| alikim: | what happens if you click it and get dced? | [10:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | nothing, really. pick up your item and start over. | [10:17] |
| diana_coman: | it wears down your armor a bit basically, but that's it, not a big deal really | [10:19] |
| alikim: | pity if it's a long overnight click | [10:20] |
| diana_coman: | no, this should be 1-2hours I think | [10:20] |
| diana_coman: | but yeah, sucks to disconnect in the night when you are building a remarkable or the like, indeed | [10:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | word. | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | or a sizable. what's it took danielpbarron 3 days or somesuch ? | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | did he build it? | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought so no ? | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | I thought not, but no ide | [10:24] |
| diana_coman: | idea | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [10:24] |
| danielpbarron: | no i didn't | [11:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah okthen | [11:49] |
| zakorus123: | hey guys | [14:49] |
| zakorus123: | been quite busy | [14:49] |
| zakorus123: | back tho | [14:49] |
| diana_coman: | oh hi zakorus123 | [15:08] |
| diana_coman: | wanna do a click for me? | [15:08] |
| zakorus123: | sure gimmie a minute | [15:31] |
| zakorus123: | finishing off the last tool i bought from you earlier | [15:32] |
| diana_coman: | ok, ping me when done | [15:33] |
| zakorus123: | ok im done | [15:39] |
| zakorus123: | just lemme store all my stuff | [15:39] |
| zakorus123: | ready to click for you | [15:40] |
| diana_coman: | kk, let me take it out | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | is curious what'll come of this. | [16:04] |
| hanbot: | diana_coman i'm around to buy those ss when you are. and cool that zakorus is doing your click (i think mp's observation yesterday about multiple baskets is a strong point) gl! | [17:13] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, ready | [17:15] |
| diana_coman: | it's more that he has lower skill really, while not really total 0 either | [17:15] |
| diana_coman: | good luck | [17:16] |
| hanbot: | tyvm | [17:16] |
| Birdman: | im thinkin it doesnt work out so well | [17:23] |
| diana_coman: | got supps | [17:25] |
| Birdman: | nice | [17:27] |
| Birdman: | that was the point right? lots of low q supps for tokens | [17:27] |
| hanbot: | oh hey, congrats | [17:28] |
| diana_coman: | not even that low q | [17:28] |
| diana_coman: | so hanbot, got supps of mosses and of berries | [17:28] |
| diana_coman: | those good? | [17:28] |
| hanbot: | not especially | [17:29] |
| hanbot: | i mean, good that the line isn't dead, for sure. | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | well, that was my main aim with this right now really | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | and otherwise re tokens | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | they certainly make inconsequential tokens at least | [17:30] |
| Birdman: | what q they come out? | [17:30] |
| diana_coman: | 138q | [17:30] |
| Birdman: | what q consideration / bundle? and i guess zakorus123's tinkering level | [17:31] |
| diana_coman: | lol Birdman read the logs | [17:32] |
| hanbot: | mhm. as far as tokens go, i pretty much screwed myself with the sales i've done so far. given the (outrageous?) prices dpb & i have paid for the altars, tokens have to fetch a pretty high price to make regular supplication clicks viable. | [17:32] |
| diana_coman: | hm. | [17:33] |
| hanbot: | compounded by the fact that the rares looted from basic resource supplications aren't so rare anymore | [17:33] |
| diana_coman: | so then what's the deal you want for inconsequential tokens exactly? | [17:34] |
| hanbot: | yeah, i'll make a precise figure here, brb. | [17:35] |
| Birdman: | i think the point of the supps looting the rares is to get them in an otherwise much harder to get quality | [17:41] |
| diana_coman: | well, there is no reason or guarantee that things should be gotten in only one single way or such | [17:52] |
| danielpbarron: | it's also a sure way to get rares and in a more definite amount of time | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, you offering any deal tokens for supps? | [17:55] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [17:56] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman what were you offering? | [18:02] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, ? | [18:02] |
| Birdman: | tokens for supps | [18:02] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, it wasn't me offering the deal, but hanbot: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-01.log.html#t00:02:30 | [18:13] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Sunday, 2016-05-01 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [18:13] |
| Birdman: | ah | [18:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | * diana_coman got supps < win. | [18:34] |
| diana_coman: | well, depends on what the tokens go for meanwhile | [18:38] |
| hanbot: | i'm pricing ist at 500k. this, based on altar click/wine costs, should be sustainable. apologies for my earlier bungled pricing/offers, but know that y'all got em a lot cheaper than they should've been. ;) | [18:39] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, what are you paying for supps then? or are you buying supps at all? | [18:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | 500k huh. | [18:39] |
| diana_coman: | myeah mircea_popescu kind of wondering whether I really need any bps , lol | [18:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. hanbot how'd you figure ? | [18:40] |
| hanbot: | mircea_popescu i spent 65M on my altar. it was durability 2281. altar decay is 11,097 per click, so it had 244 total clicks available, which means each click costs me 267k. throw an aw in there (one per click); recently for instance i paid 15m for 90, 167k each. so i'm looking at 434k cost/click not counting whatever items to be sacrificed (3ct). | [18:41] |
| diana_coman: | goes back to trying to figure out wtf is best q flotsam for some reasonable ibs | [18:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [18:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you're figuring 20-50k the suplication and whatever sliver of profit from the remainder ? | [18:42] |
| diana_coman: | even if someone knew, what could they do about it exactly? | [18:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose the thing would be "stop overbidding on altars omfg", but that's not likely to go very far huh. | [18:43] |
| diana_coman: | unlike the rastrums that ended up similarly priced due to the huge price paid on that first bubble, tokens are at least needed basically | [18:44] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, WHO exactly should have stopped you mean? | [18:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. interesting economic problem | [18:44] |
| hanbot: | well sacrifice line is alluring for the unknown upsides, hard not to overbid | [18:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | then again, who's to say 500k for ist is too much. if bps sell... | [18:45] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, do you still need /want any supps or not atm? | [18:45] |
| hanbot: | yeah, how many didja get? | [18:45] |
| diana_coman: | well, then bps end up priced 500\% or some such and then everything goes through the roof in turn, kind of curious if that means aw increases in price hence tokens increase, lol | [18:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [18:46] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, some 90 of each | [18:46] |
| diana_coman: | 91 exactly | [18:46] |
| diana_coman: | 91 berries, 91 mosses, 138q | [18:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | though in fairness things dampen, so 500\% bp, well, what's the bp figure, 10\% into the bv of the item, so it's only 50\% etc | [18:46] |
| hanbot: | ah, a bit much; i've ~100 clicks left | [18:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's these make ? | [18:47] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, not looking to sell all of them really, not a problem, just let me know what deal are you fine with re supps for tokens | [18:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol hanbot danielpbarron you two gotta sort out that altar production huh | [18:47] |
| diana_coman: | if any such deal is still of interest basically | [18:47] |
| hanbot: | i'll buy 50 of each diana_coman (mosses make ss, berries make tlc) | [18:47] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, from danielpbarron's page, they should get ss and tlc | [18:47] |
| diana_coman: | ah | [18:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah ss, nb. | [18:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | tlc kinda not so needed atm... though after i burn my stocks... | [18:49] |
| hanbot: | diana_coman how's 20k ea, 2mn total? | [18:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | is thinking about making a dozen or so rock distillate experimentally. | [18:49] |
| hanbot: | (or 4 ist) | [18:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | wait, so technically 91 + 91 * 20k each means diana_coman got 3.6mn just from this loot for that nbc click ? so it's... PROFITABLE ? | [18:50] |
| diana_coman: | hm, that click is not really repeatable | [18:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | 500k bp, 500k token, whatever else went in there 500k or so... | [18:50] |
| diana_coman: | and how the fuck do you calc the value of bps that I had to shred? | [18:50] |
| diana_coman: | tell me as I'm quite curious | [18:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, you didn't HAVE to shred them, i was offering mites for ecu ; that can count | [18:51] |
| diana_coman: | iirc you were offering dusts for ...IST | [18:51] |
| diana_coman: | not for ecu, no | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | (imo shredding bps as such is horrible waste, and never profitable these days. but that's me) | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh shit i was wasn't i... i wanted what, 10 ist was it ? | [18:51] |
| diana_coman: | myeah | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha... | [18:51] |
| diana_coman: | which by the looks of it would have been a terribly shitty deal for me | [18:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | so if we accept hanbot 's 500k ist price, which i figure since she made is backed by at least some offer, | [18:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | then my 10 ist become 5mn ; and this is then for 1k dust q 1148 ie bv 114.8k | [18:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i was asking in practice 4355\% huh. kinda nuts. | [18:52] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, I get that the tokens are more expensive, but somehow I don't really get why the supps are cheaper at the same time, maybe I just don't get something | [18:52] |
| diana_coman: | so it was 3 supps/token when token was 150k | [18:53] |
| diana_coman: | token goes to 500k | [18:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman cuz now they're oversupplied :D | [18:53] |
| diana_coman: | are they? | [18:53] |
| diana_coman: | guess I'll hog mine then | [18:53] |
| diana_coman: | and pay cash rather if I really need bps | [18:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | didn't she just not want to buy them all lol | [18:53] |
| hanbot: | <mircea_popescu> lol hanbot danielpbarron you two gotta sort out that altar production huh << yeah. fwiw danielpbarron i'm prepared to pay reasonably, only stipulation is that i don't get cut off from the line. think about what might work for you? | [18:53] |
| diana_coman: | so dunno hanbot maybe 9, say 10 supps/token? | [18:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey hanbot you ever clicked your nbc ? or did you even have one ? | [18:56] |
| hanbot: | diana_coman there's no relation to my previous offers & the current, given before i was waddling around idiotically without rationally considering my costs. | [18:56] |
| diana_coman: | I see | [18:56] |
| hanbot: | mircea_popescu i haven't, i do have it. i'd like you to make my dt if you can sched it into your crafting | [18:56] |
| diana_coman: | let me see then | [18:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | so do you want 999 dusts high q for 1.2mn ? | [18:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman you can have a 999 same price too if you want it. | [18:57] |
| hanbot: | mircea_popescu by all means, shower me with yer dustss | [18:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite lemme fetch | [18:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have so much fucking feeling it's not even funny. | [18:58] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, I'll take those too, yes | [18:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | check that out : mircea mircescu dropped 235294 tinkerer's petrified feelingses | [18:58] |
| hanbot: | pity there's no epic ballad bp to sop those up. | [18:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | srsly lmao | [18:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | trade me at yer leisure. | [19:01] |
| hanbot: | thanks | [19:01] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, fine, I'll sell the supps for 20k ea | [19:02] |
| diana_coman: | I'll have to calc re tokens | [19:02] |
| hanbot: | kk. you want the cash? | [19:02] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [19:03] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [19:03] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, can I haz dusts? | [19:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | hit me | [19:03] |
| hanbot: | gracias diana_coman | [19:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | danke. | [19:04] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [19:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman what q dusts did ytou end up with by shredding ? | [19:05] |
| diana_coman: | I don't have any other nbc ofc, but anyway | [19:05] |
| diana_coman: | hm, in the logs, some ~900 iirc | [19:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | did you figure how much they cost you somehow ? | [19:05] |
| diana_coman: | I barfed out of it , but tbh I used also at least low q bps as much as made sense | [19:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd have thought it's better to use high q bps | [19:06] |
| diana_coman: | better | [19:06] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, better use 9 q 1100 bps than 99 q 100 bps neh ? | [19:06] |
| diana_coman: | define better plox | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao | [19:06] |
| diana_coman: | really? | [19:06] |
| diana_coman: | in what sense? | [19:06] |
| diana_coman: | is it worth it really? | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | well im thinking, q 100 bps i'd use to make threads and shit | [19:06] |
| diana_coman: | do you imagine the price of a q1100 bp re what 99 q 9 bps would cost you? | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | q 1100 bps... meh. | [19:07] |
| diana_coman: | q 1100 bps you can mix | [19:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, EXCEPT in the case of threads, where it's needed for smalls. | [19:07] |
| diana_coman: | with q9 bps | [19:07] |
| diana_coman: | get you some very reasonable bps | [19:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | true. though i'd rather mix mid q bps with low q to rectify... | [19:07] |
| diana_coman: | at much lower cost | [19:07] |
| diana_coman: | I meant mixing bps! | [19:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is by now becoming pure heuristicland isn't it. | [19:07] |
| diana_coman: | not bp + bundle | [19:07] |
| diana_coman: | so the thing is that q1100 bp is basically more than one bp | [19:07] |
| diana_coman: | it redeems any shitty bps you have | [19:08] |
| diana_coman: | while q 100 bp is strictly that | [19:08] |
| diana_coman: | one single bp to make one single whatever | [19:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya but... see, 1 q 1100 redeems say 5 ; 10 q 100 redeem the same 5. so cheaper. | [19:08] |
| diana_coman: | for one thing: if you have them | [19:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yeah if you have them. | [19:08] |
| diana_coman: | I rather had loads of q5 and few q140 | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | the whole discussion is "if you have them". poor people just go home. | [19:09] |
| diana_coman: | to cite: you can't have everything, where would you put it? | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | a you had those oodlebunches of bps from noob tinkering huh | [19:09] |
| diana_coman: | (and yeah, storage is barfing) | [19:09] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol that's pretty lulzy :D | [19:09] |
| hanbot: | <diana_coman> define better plox << this channel needs a bash | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, for any other N cons clickers : i'm reasonably well supplied on dusts q high 200s low 300s i'd be willing to sell much more reasonably than 1050\%. | [19:10] |
| diana_coman: | it's nbc, not even any n | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | for most applications other than NBC, you prolly don't actually need/want 1k q anyway | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman no but i meant for other peoplez. | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | so listen hanbot can i buy a coupla tokens ? i'm thinking of trying a coupla ntc's see what occurs. | [19:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | also diana_coman got 2 tomes ? | [19:12] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, q253, yes | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much for them ? | [19:13] |
| hanbot: | mircea_popescu sure, i'll have to make em tho'. ~hour and a half. | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk. | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | thanks gawd i made all that wine lol. | [19:13] |
| diana_coman: | usual 52k+1.8qabv, hence 455k each | [19:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | otherwise it'd be "i wanna do this. .. you got that ? sure, but need this then i;ll make it ... oh, iu'll make it but need etc" COME BACK FIVE WEEKS LATER | [19:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman sold. | [19:14] |
| diana_coman: | how many? | [19:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2 | [19:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty | [19:15] |
| diana_coman: | good luck | [19:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | so for this craft... 910k books ; hey diana_coman what'd be for 2 bods ? | [19:16] |
| diana_coman: | let me see what I have | [19:16] |
| diana_coman: | oh fuck, I messed them again, haven't I , lol | [19:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman just for math, i have my own but too lazy to calc it. | [19:16] |
| diana_coman: | bods and dt | [19:16] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [19:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | huh ? | [19:16] |
| diana_coman: | that was the formula for bod, not for dt | [19:16] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [19:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | did i overpay ? | [19:17] |
| diana_coman: | it's not even the first time, it's quite lulzy | [19:17] |
| diana_coman: | prolly not | [19:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | go me :D | [19:17] |
| diana_coman: | let me see | [19:17] |
| diana_coman: | out of curiosity | [19:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | 910k books + 1mn tokens + 1mn the bps + 200k for the dusts say, and i guess 200k more for 2 bods ? = 3.3mn for 2 clicks. | [19:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | curious what'll come out of them! | [19:18] |
| diana_coman: | indeed, it would have been 537 each, so you got a discount lol | [19:18] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, let me see what bods I have | [19:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana's apothecary & library notions store. | [19:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | i kinda see you as an old crotchety lady from pasadena, running this tower of a shop with creaky wooden stairs | [19:19] |
| diana_coman: | only a few, 328q | [19:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | were you in vaudeville ? :D | [19:19] |
| diana_coman: | bwahaha, could do for a while | [19:19] |
| diana_coman: | omfg making some ibs 230q, will redo calc to make sure it makes sense | [19:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [20:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | you want some low q ibs bps ? | [20:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | meh, lowest i got is 158. | [20:54] |
| hanbot: | mircea_popescu yer ist are ready | [20:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | thankee | [20:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh bundle q 207 just. | [20:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | soo first click... 153 dg ; 130 srs ; 2 ibs, 1 cft. all q 286. | [22:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | 51 + 153*134 + 2 * 71 + 130 * 128 = 37335k bv. | [22:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | tbh it feels kinda great to have MADE bps. | [22:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | and 2nd batch, 236 bct ; 69 ibs and 1 dg. | [23:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | 236 * 154 + 69 * 71 + 134 = 41377 | [23:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd say of the 3.3mn this cost, maculature prolly covers 1mn ; leaves 2.3mn to be covered out of ~80k bv of bps. if we credit the 1/3 loot thing, a fair price for these bps would be 1000\%. | [23:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie roughly speaking, the value of the made product is twice the bundle, or half for bundle half for bp. | [23:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron i'll take q 111 bms at 876 ; q 60 bod at 10k ; q 129 cc at 731 ; c 159 cft at 42 ; q 83 csw at 2239 ; q 500 drudgeries (all) at 153750 ; q 9 FCS at 176 ; q 193 ich at 25545 ; q 13 ltf at 81 ; q 60 ma at 3500 ; q 7 ppb at 89 ; q 77 poc at 1800 ; q 7 pcs at 176 ; q 9 scs at 176 ; q 156 srs at 105 ; q 87 si at 224 ; q 15 s at 14 ; q 14 sa at 882. let me know which of these you're still selling. | [23:17] |
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