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Instructie cu clesti de rufe

Filed under: Young, old and oldest — Diana Coman @ 2:26 pm

Prima intalnire cu clestii mei de rufe s-a soldat cu ei aliniati in sir disciplinat unul langa altul, cat era franghia de lunga. Multumit de rezultat, seful armatei de clesti de rufe si-a vazut apoi de alte treburi – toate cat mai departe de geamantanul cu jucarii.

La a doua intalnire, racanii sub forma de clesti de rufe au invatat formatiuni noi de atac (ori aparare ca nu-i clar): aliniati dupa culoare si marime, pe 5 randuri, inainte mars. De pe o franghie pe alta, de pe o bara a uscatorului pe alta, inainte tot inainte, limita e… marginea balconului. Dincolo de care un nefericit cleste si-a gasit sfarsitul, explodand in doua bucati scapate de sub tirania arcului din mijloc. Sa-i fie arcul moale, ca n-a mai rezistat regimului intensiv de instructie.

La a treia intalnire, trupele de elita ale armatei Clestederufe au fost initiate in tainele unei arme de temut, cu nume ingrozitor: geometria! Sub indrumarea concentrata a comandantului de forte clestistice, sirurile anterioare s-au rasucit, transformat, incolacit si innodat in patrate, dreptunghiuri, triunghiuri, toate agatate altminteri de cate o franghie ori bara a uscatorului.

In mijlocul acestei operatiuni militare de importanta maxima, o intrebare de posibil sabotor isi vara nasu-n geometrie:

– E ora de desene animate, vii?

– Nu mami, am treaba.

Gandesc ca armata Clestederufe a castigat macar batalia anti-desene animate. Chiar inainte sa inceapa in fapt, da’ am auzit altminteri ca cica e tare greu (da’ foarte foarte greu) sa tii copiii departe de desene animate si ecrane. Hmm, ori nu e chiar greu deloc?

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#eulora Logs for 25 May 2016

Filed under: #eulora_irc,Logs — Diana Coman @ 12:00 am

Birdman:	couple weeks or so	[00:14]
Birdman:	hanbot what resources do you find at that spot	[01:26]
diana_coman:	alikim> it crashes all the time <- hm, I suspect it's the changes you made to it, as otherwise it seems to work fine for everyone else really, even others who run it on Windows such as Birdman	[04:22]
alikim:	diana_coman: could be	[04:23]
diana_coman:	Birdman> i think the easiest thing for noobs to do is gathering and building <- might be "easiest" but not sure about profitable	[04:23]
diana_coman:	as to lone wolf: I'd be surprised by what measure exactly I do NOT qualify for that – I got those 200 books on all basic skills for a reason really	[04:23]
diana_coman:	alikim> on the other hand I feel like I'm the only new player in the history of this game trying to do something on my own instead of just being somebody's extra time slot, so all problems I have are exclusively my own <- that's pretty much how everyone started in fact	[04:24]
diana_coman:	most got to the conclusion that at least some sort of trade is actually helpful to everyone involved	[04:25]
diana_coman:	the only unique thing might be that you are also trying to do it without any initial investment of coppers	[04:26]
alikim:	true	[04:30]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, I'll sell 2k worn-out hoes at 4k per tool as per your shop; I also have 1k+ wpl (should be above 200q overall) and 200 ST	[05:01]
Birdman:	<diana_coman>Birdman> i think the easiest thing for noobs to do is gathering and building <- might be "easiest" but not sure about profitable << meant easiest as the most sustainable, there may not be immediate riches in it, but it'd be hard to work at a loss	[05:23]
diana_coman:	how do you reckon that Birdman ?	[05:23]
Birdman:	well barehanding is a huge subsidy	[05:24]
diana_coman:	and updated shop (paying slightly more than mp on cdg, selling rares and tomes mainly): http://www.dianacoman.com/eulora/foxystore/	[05:26]
diana_coman:	getting to grips with current prices is a bitch; not to mention actually using them (as in calculating them) – a huge pain, that formula	[05:27]
diana_coman:	ah, in that sense yes, but bh still requires a. to find something (not sure how often does a complete noob actually find something and then how much that is) and b. having stuff to build it with	[05:27]
diana_coman:	considering complete noob – no skill at all	[05:28]
Birdman:	yeah, but still ~something~ for them to do without bleeding money	[05:28]
Birdman:	and it probably still ranks you up pretty gud for awhile	[05:28]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, as I'm getting up to date with your new prices and stuff; am I correct to say that you are basically paying people for ingredients+bps same as for finished product?	[05:29]
Birdman:	plus tool decay	[05:29]
diana_coman:	guess that means that selling crafted items to you makes sense ONLY if one overcrafts AND gets loads more than the input they gave	[05:29]
diana_coman:	although even that is dubious at best	[05:29]
Birdman:	could look at it as free exp	[05:30]
diana_coman:	does he Birdman ? I don't see any mention of that in the shop; here it is: All crafted precursorsvi in large batches. As broad guideline I'm paying the above for raw materials and 500\% for the blueprints involved in the whole craft line. This is just a guideline however, contact me with specifics for a firm quote.	[05:30]
Birdman:	with even slight profits	[05:30]
Birdman:	it is a footnote	[05:30]
diana_coman:	well, xp is good ONLY if you have some skills	[05:30]
diana_coman:	or complete noobs = no skills at all, as I specifically stated exactly for this reason	[05:31]
Birdman:	oh nevermind, its a footnote for something else	[05:31]
diana_coman:	anyways, so now a cft according to that would be base value 1791 which is about 10 times the official bv o.o	[05:32]
Birdman:	how do you get that?	[05:32]
Birdman:	6031.5 + 18*5 = 360 by his formula	[05:33]
Birdman:	which sorta makes sense if bps are 1/10 and he pays 500\% for em	[05:34]
diana_coman:	ah, nm, somehow I messed that up	[05:35]
Birdman:	its pretty confusing	[05:35]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron, I'll buy all your ppb q112 at 7500 each as per your shop if that's still valid	[05:38]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron, I'll also buy 100 waters of anamnesia q202, 60k each	[05:41]
Birdman:	diana_coman you wouldnt have two bod for sale would you?	[06:03]
alikim:	diana_coman: by Mining skill you mean Sortage?	[06:09]
alikim:	on you rshop page	[06:10]
Birdman:	no, mining is a seperate skill that increases the quality of resources in the mining category	[06:10]
alikim:	ah right thanks	[06:11]
Birdman:	no problem, i should probably buy it sooner than later	[06:11]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman just about	[07:44]
mircea_popescu:	<alikim> if I feel like sharing and caring, I will, if I don't, I don't << if you "don't feel like sharing and caring", get lost. that's what the GPL license says publicly, it's also my private position. and it is not limited to this game, either. you'll have to kill yourself, because guess what, you don't have it in you to live life on your own. but at the very least you'll have to move out of australia and into somalia or s	[07:46]
mircea_popescu:	omesuch.	[07:46]
mircea_popescu:	alikim> as to my would-be friends if I give them a freebie and woudn't-be-friends if I don't, I don't need such friends << currently, you're that. eulora client is open source already ; you read it already. the freebie is already done.	[07:47]
mircea_popescu:	but anyway, i believe it's time to put some bite on this actually. you're worth more as a dead example than as a live thing.	[07:47]
Birdman:	300k worth of leathers out of a single ord!	[08:16]
Birdman:	nearly a full level of farming exp too, which is the most exciting part	[08:16]
mircea_popescu:	win.	[08:23]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman> getting to grips with current prices is a bitch; not to mention actually using them (as in calculating them) – a huge pain, that formula << heh!	[08:25]
mircea_popescu:	i expect it'll only get worse.	[08:25]
Birdman:	gonna shred these q5 maculture and see where that gets me, and probably barehand some grass for awhile till i can get more threads	[08:26]
mircea_popescu:	i still say making maculature is crazy atm.	[08:27]
Birdman:	whatcha mean making them?	[08:27]
Birdman:	also getting a pretty surprising amount of loot considering im shredding q5 with q87 bps	[08:28]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman> guess that means that selling crafted items to you makes sense ONLY << if they get cheaper bps, or if they get cheaper goods, or if they are happy to get the xp for no risk, or or or.	[08:28]
mircea_popescu:	Birdman how do you value those q87 bps though, is the rub.	[08:28]
Birdman:	if i could get ~any~ better i'd sell these crappy ones in a heart beat	[08:29]
Birdman:	of all the things to have low quality, SI is probably one of the worst lol	[08:29]
mircea_popescu:	heh	[08:29]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, I'll sell 2k worn-out hoes at 4k per tool as per your shop; I also have 1k+ wpl (should be above 200q overall) and 200 ST <- want any of those?	[08:36]
mircea_popescu:	sure.	[08:38]
mircea_popescu:	shit, ST ?!	[08:38]
mircea_popescu:	win.	[08:38]
mircea_popescu:	gotta say my new shop has certainly improved my acquisition flow :D	[08:38]
diana_coman:	ahaha, yeah	[08:39]
diana_coman:	and I updated my shop – guess I'm selling mainly rares and shit	[08:39]
diana_coman:	Foxy's Rare Items	[08:40]
diana_coman:	kk, will get everything out, should be some 5min	[08:40]
mircea_popescu:	just in time, too, i burned millions in samovars to date and will be burning more.	[08:40]
diana_coman:	if I don't run out of cft…	[08:41]
mircea_popescu:	yeah seriously, peeps gotta start sellin me grass.	[08:41]
diana_coman:	I am even offering slightly more than you on grass!	[08:41]
mircea_popescu:	goes and checks	[08:42]
diana_coman:	just to get some tons of it, but people are busy with other things apparently	[08:42]
Birdman:	ten shreds in and its costing my 1070 ecu a click	[08:42]
mircea_popescu:	no way. just the bp is more than that	[08:43]
mircea_popescu:	and the table decay is prolly 10-20k	[08:43]
Birdman:	i accounted for all that, decay is 2853 a click	[08:43]
Birdman:	this is just basevalue	[08:43]
Birdman:	if i count by what i paid for everything respectively then.. lol	[08:43]
Birdman:	all the loots are pretty useless too, be surprised if i can get any premium on them	[08:44]
diana_coman:	Birdman, out of curiosity: does your client crash?	[08:44]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman btw i'll buy your basics ords.	[08:44]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, if only I had any idea what an ord (or any other claim) actually is worth, I could sell them you know	[08:45]
mircea_popescu:	you say 10k ?	[08:45]
mircea_popescu:	oh nm, that's buying. go me :p	[08:45]
diana_coman:	ahaha, lol, yeah	[08:45]
Birdman:	i think it has, rarely, but i think it had been a problem on my computer's end not the clients	[08:45]
Birdman:	i'd also buy all grocery ords for a pretty penny	[08:46]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman 8 * 2 * 1096 but sg not tlc ?	[08:48]
diana_coman:	hm?	[08:48]
mircea_popescu:	o nm tlc is there also. god help us.	[08:48]
mircea_popescu:	ftr, wasn't tlc 1086 ?	[08:48]
diana_coman:	myeah	[08:48]
diana_coman:	http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/Two-Leaf-Clover.html	[08:48]
lobbesbot:	Title: Two Leaf Clover(tlc) (at www.dianacoman.com)	[08:48]
diana_coman:	my cookbook says 1096	[08:48]
Birdman:	eulorum says 1096	[08:49]
mircea_popescu:	ugh. my paper says 1086	[08:49]
diana_coman:	lemme check	[08:49]
mircea_popescu:	merchant says 1096	[08:49]
diana_coman:	aha	[08:49]
diana_coman:	1096, your paper sucks	[08:49]
diana_coman:	:p	[08:49]
mircea_popescu:	copygirl gets a lash for this.	[08:49]
Birdman:	mircea_popescu why not mine that grass remark?	[08:50]
mircea_popescu:	which ?	[08:50]
mircea_popescu:	radio erevan lol, not remark but sizeable, not mine but daniel's etc	[08:50]
diana_coman:	ahahaha, quite	[08:50]
Birdman:	where the old grass spot was i see one you made	[08:50]
diana_coman:	anyways mircea_popescu trade for ze ST	[08:51]
diana_coman:	100 st 184q	[08:51]
diana_coman:	200 !	[08:51]
mircea_popescu:	lol which is it	[08:51]
mircea_popescu:	(15000 + 5093 * 1.84 * 2)200 + 2000 4000 + 1808 * 2.66 * 1.8= 14757104.704	[08:52]
mircea_popescu:	dang	[08:52]
mircea_popescu:	i should ask for a 40k discount :D	[08:53]
diana_coman:	hm? 200(15000+50931.842)+20004000+1.818082.66*152	[08:53]
diana_coman:	you forgot the base value for the wpl?	[08:53]
Birdman:	whoa, diana_coman how much for that DM tomb spot again?	[08:53]
mircea_popescu:	o no. i did	[08:53]
diana_coman:	16064267	[08:53]
mircea_popescu:	(15000 + 5093 * 1.84 * 2)200 + 2000 4000 + 1808 * 152 Ã—2.66 * 1.8 = 16064267.008	[08:53]
mircea_popescu:	aye	[08:53]
diana_coman:	ha, any record trade here?	[08:53]
mircea_popescu:	nah i did likle 29 mn with Birdman	[08:54]
mircea_popescu:	thanks!	[08:54]
diana_coman:	enjoy!	[08:54]
diana_coman:	awww, what a jaded tradeworld we live in if not even st makes a difference	[08:55]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[08:56]
diana_coman:	Birdman, that's an interesting question really nowadays, but I'll be lazy and say it's still the same 10mn	[08:56]
Birdman:	damn, i was hoping it was 1mn by some miracle	[08:56]
diana_coman:	when I stop being lazy I'll start calculating with the new market values and see what that makes it	[08:56]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[08:57]
Birdman:	what else do you find around it?	[08:57]
diana_coman:	resources? lol	[08:58]
Birdman:	well if i buy this i gotta know what im buying	[08:58]
mircea_popescu:	"yeah but is it negative coords or positive coords" :D	[08:58]
diana_coman:	lol	[08:58]
diana_coman:	Birdman, you are buying a key with coordinates, showing it is a dm spot, what else is there to know	[08:58]
Birdman:	whether or not imma find lots of heavy, non farming stuff	[08:59]
mircea_popescu:	legit concern huh.	[08:59]
diana_coman:	uhm, yes and no, I mean really if you are after dm what difference does that make exactly?	[08:59]
Birdman:	how long it'll run by itself and how much money i'll be sinking into things i dont want to	[09:00]
Birdman:	the bot i mean	[09:00]
mircea_popescu:	ahh sweet sweet delicious slithy tove!	[09:00]
mircea_popescu:	so diana_coman how many tomes can you sell me ?	[09:00]
diana_coman:	heh, it was quite a find: I come home and check on the bot and ..dang, remarkable st!	[09:01]
Birdman:	shit nice	[09:01]
mircea_popescu:	nice!	[09:01]
mircea_popescu:	remark sold for ~7mn nb.	[09:01]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, I can sell 10 at 245q right now	[09:02]
Birdman:	heh, too good to even bare hand this grass, finding more smalls than tinies and i've no threads	[09:02]
diana_coman:	well, the bundle itself was some 5.5mn anyway, yeah	[09:02]
mircea_popescu:	ill take em	[09:02]
diana_coman:	kk, taking out	[09:02]
mircea_popescu:	danke	[09:05]
diana_coman:	thanks!	[09:05]
diana_coman:	so we brought the total to 22mn, not bad for one day of trading, lol	[09:05]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[09:06]
mircea_popescu:	hey, search your clothes closely, if you find another 100 tomes ill buy em	[09:07]
mircea_popescu:	"oh i overlooked this inside pocket"	[09:07]
diana_coman:	eh, they are a pain to make them at this q ; I suppose you'd really prefer them high q rather than lower, right?	[09:07]
diana_coman:	(I know I do)	[09:07]
mircea_popescu:	surely.	[09:08]
mircea_popescu:	oh and also – get me sg, srsly. i'm like a whole stack behind here.	[09:08]
diana_coman:	trouble is that the cdg/cft looming trouble sidetracks me again as otherwise yeah, I was mainly focusing on making the 1k dt and 1k ich, but they all require all sorts of resources and if I run out of cft then there will be none at all	[09:08]
diana_coman:	same problem as it were – I'd gladly get sg (I get it quite easily for some reason) but now I have to somehow crack the cdg looming problem	[09:09]
mircea_popescu:	myeah.	[09:09]
Birdman:	has anyone seen profit in grass from small claims?	[09:11]
Birdman:	should you be oc them or what to get more grass than used	[09:11]
diana_coman:	I saw it – when I set my noobs at it, but since they seem to have vanished again…	[09:11]
Birdman:	well yeah but grass that isnt such low quality i mean	[09:12]
Birdman:	maybe the grass you got wouldnt add up to the same amount of quality in threads you used or something	[09:12]
diana_coman:	it wasn't terribly low quality either, no; in any case to answer your question: I tend to get 1 single cdg if I feed the claim between 1 and 4 cft; 2-3 otherwise	[09:12]
diana_coman:	but this is of course the "usual" – not the unusual which potentially redeems all the rest	[09:13]
Birdman:	interesting	[09:14]
mircea_popescu:	well….hm.	[09:14]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : selling one stack CFT bp, q 201, opening 3.5mn. eta 17:00 ART tomorrow.	[09:15]
diana_coman:	I also got 1k out of one grass ordinary (tool) but then usually ordinaries fetch me more like 100-200 grass	[09:15]
diana_coman:	so kind of hard to say really	[09:15]
Birdman:	right, i was thinking just ditch the smalls all together, or save them to get the crazy high q grass you might want, and get the bulk of decent quality from tinies and ords	[09:16]
Birdman:	967\% ish on those cft bps	[09:16]
diana_coman:	yeah, well, as his shop says, he sells bps for 1000\%	[09:16]
Birdman:	yeah	[09:17]
diana_coman:	I might regret it, but atm I think I still have enough cft bps	[09:17]
Birdman:	i've stacks of q30-40 of em	[09:17]
Birdman:	and few thousand coming from danielpbarron	[09:17]
diana_coman:	shit, I just realised mircea_popescu I wouldn't even be able to actually store 1k tomes if I made them, lmao	[09:17]
diana_coman:	as they don't stack	[09:17]
mircea_popescu:	:)	[09:17]
Birdman:	but im in no position to buy that sort of thing	[09:17]
Birdman:	lol thats a good point	[09:17]
danielpbarron:	diana_coman> danielpbarron, I'll also buy 100 waters of anamnesia q202, 60k each << I don't have 100, but would you like 50?	[10:23]
diana_coman:	yes danielpbarron ; also all the cft if you still sell it at the price in your shop	[10:23]
diana_coman:	I'm a bit away from the game comp atm ,will get back in the evening, so in 3hours from now	[10:24]
danielpbarron:	diana_coman> danielpbarron, I'll buy all your ppb q112 at 7500 each as per your shop if that's still valid << I've got 500 here for ya	[10:31]
danielpbarron:	diana_coman> yes danielpbarron ; also all the cft if you still sell it at the price in your shop << which price did you see? I just updated it while looking for those other two things	[10:31]
Birdman:	you around to let me grab those bps danielpbarron ?	[10:36]
danielpbarron:	ya	[10:39]
Birdman:	sweet headed to town now	[10:40]
Birdman:	how much	[10:43]
danielpbarron:	a little over 100k	[10:43]
Birdman:	ty	[10:44]
Birdman:	dont go far gonna get you some supplies to craft	[10:44]
danielpbarron:	lol	[10:44]
Birdman:	580 cft clicks for 8700 with this grass and bps?	[10:47]
danielpbarron:	ehem.. minimum order	[10:47]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron ftr, q 112 ppb goes for (4466 * 1.5 + 4465)1.12 = 10000.48 in mah shop.	[10:47]
danielpbarron:	yes i upped mine to 10k too	[10:47]
mircea_popescu:	so you got any to sell ?	[10:48]
danielpbarron:	i honor prices published on my page up to 1 item or 100k worth whichever is lower	[10:48]
mircea_popescu:	ok so how many you're honoring it with ?	[10:48]
Birdman:	lol	[10:48]
Birdman:	the perks of lacking specified quantity	[10:49]
danielpbarron:	mircea_popescu, want 1k ?	[10:50]
mircea_popescu:	sure.	[10:50]
danielpbarron:	i'm in town	[10:50]
mircea_popescu:	me2!!	[10:50]
mircea_popescu:	sweet	[10:51]
mircea_popescu:	what else you got in trade ?	[10:51]
danielpbarron:	ty	[10:52]
danielpbarron:	idk heh, so far i'm just riding this new price wave as it comes to me	[10:52]
mircea_popescu:	ill take thart slag ; how much you got ?	[10:54]
mircea_popescu:	lol i read your link to instagram as "instagrope"	[10:54]
danielpbarron:	mircea_popescu, 2k slag	[10:55]
danielpbarron:	yeah it says that	[10:55]
mircea_popescu:	ill take it.	[10:55]
danielpbarron:	you read it correctly	[10:55]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[10:55]
mircea_popescu:	also i'll take your imp c hoe bps.	[10:56]
Birdman:	you gonna take these grasses danielpbarron ?	[10:58]
danielpbarron:	mircea_popescu, i got 250 of those	[10:59]
mircea_popescu:	done and don.	[11:00]
danielpbarron:	Birdman, that's less than 10k worth..	[11:00]
Birdman:	oh, fair enough	[11:01]
mircea_popescu:	2 * 1.7 + .250 * 51.7 = 16.325	[11:01]
mircea_popescu:	sorry for no change	[11:01]
danielpbarron:	i need to make change after trade	[11:02]
mircea_popescu:	kk	[11:02]
danielpbarron:	overweight now	[11:02]
Birdman:	need 20k grass min to have you make threads lol	[11:03]
mircea_popescu:	so 24 with diana, was it, 16 and change here… now a bad trade day.	[11:03]
mircea_popescu:	was like 17mn or so with hanbot too yest, i dun recall what birdman got off me like 10 maybe ?	[11:03]
danielpbarron:	or buy something else too	[11:03]
Birdman:	yeah about that	[11:03]
Birdman:	8 or so	[11:03]
mircea_popescu:	nothing quite gets an economy moving like rising prices eh.	[11:03]
Birdman:	i could probably sell more but no rush	[11:04]
Birdman:	really just need some damn threads	[11:04]
danielpbarron:	i guess you could say the blueprints were part of the same deal, but i already did that	[11:04]
Birdman:	i dont expect you to be crafting me stuff to make 8700 lol no worries bud	[11:04]
mircea_popescu:	wtf bs grass is he selling you that he needs 2 stacks to make 10k	[11:04]
Birdman:	his trades are 100k min, and charges 15 ecu per tinker click	[11:04]
danielpbarron:	wants me to craft it for him	[11:04]
mircea_popescu:	oh i see	[11:04]
Birdman:	100000/15*3 grass	[11:04]
mircea_popescu:	maybe consider making it by the time you know, "min 1 hour crafting time" or w/e.	[11:05]
danielpbarron:	yeah i think i need to refigure my tinkering charge	[11:05]
danielpbarron:	whatever i'll take your grass for now Birdman	[11:05]
Birdman:	later, just got my dude to the gathering spot	[11:05]
danielpbarron:	k	[11:05]
Birdman:	also, i ~profit~ (probably) from hiring you to tinker at that price	[11:06]
danielpbarron:	that's cool cuz i do too	[11:06]
Birdman:	i assume your tinkering would make many q points better than my own	[11:06]
mircea_popescu:	gaaaaawd i can't fucking wait for all these crafts to be done already!	[11:07]
mircea_popescu:	the curse of the crafter – when you're short precursors you want precursors ; when you have plenty you want to be done with the craft. no way to be happy.	[11:08]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron, cft I saw at 307 coppers 114q	[11:28]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron> diana_coman> danielpbarron, I'll buy all your ppb q112 at 7500 each as per your shop if that's still valid << I've got 500 here for ya <- cool	[11:29]
Birdman:	i'd buy cft at that price too	[11:33]
mircea_popescu:	btw danielpbarron : tell trifonov ( @3nderapp ) to show up on #trilema sometime. going full tmsr is just the pill to fuck over tinder/IAC permanently.	[11:39]
danielpbarron:	diana_coman, aha bit did you order it when you saw it? I had updated the page before you said in here but i'll do 100k worth for ya	[12:33]
danielpbarron:	mircea_popescu, done https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/735509960335986688	[12:37]
lobbesbot:	Title: Daniel P. Barron on Twitter: "@3nderapp Join #trilema on freenode wouldja; going "full tmsr" is just the pill to screw over @Tinder permanently. https://t.co/ryxHbUjZgj" (at twitter.com)	[12:37]
danielpbarron:	nice bot!	[12:38]
danielpbarron:	and lol re: ali ; i take it he was banned from the eulora server?	[12:39]
danielpbarron:	seeing as how he still idles here	[12:39]
danielpbarron:	very useful corpse; can point to this log next time someone gets all uppity about winbl0wz to me	[12:46]
mircea_popescu:	win.	[13:15]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron windows being more a problem of how it breaks peoples' heads than anything. plenty of people run eulora on windows to much less detriment that i've seen.	[13:16]
danielpbarron:	yes that's what i mean	[13:38]
danielpbarron:	Birdman uses winbl0wz but from what i can tell he at least recognizes its shortcomings	[13:39]
mircea_popescu:	dat chick never said anything huh.	[13:39]
danielpbarron:	which one, i can try again?	[13:39]
mircea_popescu:	the nekkid one, a something	[13:40]
mircea_popescu:	some camho.	[13:40]
danielpbarron:	it's easy to miss mentions on twatter when you're kinda popular	[13:40]
mircea_popescu:	a	[13:40]
danielpbarron:	i think i know who, the "psychonaught" ?	[13:40]
mircea_popescu:	i'm sure she's hounded	[13:40]
mircea_popescu:	well i have nfi now ;/	[13:40]
hanbot:	<Birdman> hanbot what resources do you find at that spot < rf, rr, some grass/wpl/wwb/sr. rarely, sg.	[13:45]
Birdman:	thanks	[13:46]
hanbot:	<mircea_popescu> AUCTION : selling one stack CFT bp, q 201, opening 3.5mn. eta 17:00 ART tomorrow. << i'll bite, 3.5m.	[14:28]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : selling one stack CFT bp, q 201, 3.5mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 ART tomorrow.	[14:35]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron> diana_coman, aha bit did you order it when you saw it? I had updated the page before you said in here but i'll do 100k worth for ya <- well, as I said: if you still sell them at that price; I'm around so let me know if I can come to collect the ppb, woa	[15:27]
danielpbarron:	i'm around, in town currently	[15:29]
diana_coman:	omw	[15:30]
diana_coman:	ready danielpbarron	[15:32]
danielpbarron:	5060000+5007500 = 6750000	[15:33]
diana_coman:	do you have change?	[15:33]
diana_coman:	thanks!	[15:34]
danielpbarron:	ty	[15:34]
danielpbarron:	that was a fast 5 minutes	[16:04]
mircea_popescu:	hm ?	[16:05]
danielpbarron:	nevermind i guess time just flies by when you're messing with storage	[16:06]
diana_coman:	server back on; enjoy	[16:13]
danielpbarron:	best part of wednesday reset day is the storage works so much faster :D	[16:19]
danielpbarron:	is almost unusable just before	[16:20]
diana_coman:	o.o how is that exactly danielpbarron ?	[16:20]
diana_coman:	I never noticed any problem with storage	[16:20]
Birdman:	the game unclogs or something every wednesday?	[16:20]
Birdman:	i noticed some extra lag today	[16:21]
danielpbarron:	it takes like 5 seconds for each withdraw type action like switching tabs or taking items	[16:21]
diana_coman:	weird	[16:21]
danielpbarron:	after reset it's nearly instantaneous	[16:21]
mircea_popescu:	possibly client issue ? some sort of cache or w/e ?	[16:26]
jurov:	no it pretty much goes to server for every click in storage/merchant	[17:21]
jurov:	Passing XML to and fro.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu:	hm.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu:	this needs to be looked into fo sho.	[17:22]
zakorus123:	hey guys	[17:43]
Birdman:	hello	[17:44]
zakorus123:	is jurov around?	[17:45]
zakorus123:	birdman u willing to trade 1mil coppers for .01 btc	[17:46]
zakorus123:	?	[17:46]
Birdman:	send me .01 btc for 1mn copper?	[17:46]
zakorus123:	im selling the coppers i mean	[17:46]
Birdman:	oh, nah	[17:47]
zakorus123:	ok	[17:47]
mircea_popescu:	ah dja buy too much ?	[17:47]
zakorus123:	yea	[17:47]
zakorus123:	i have too much now	[17:47]
zakorus123:	lol	[17:47]
Birdman:	no such thing!	[17:48]
zakorus123:	hbu mircea	[17:48]
mircea_popescu:	i guess if jurov dun show up i'll have to make more merchants or something huh.	[17:48]
zakorus123:	i dont need this much at this point	[17:48]
zakorus123:	yea	[17:48]
mircea_popescu:	is too lazy to fire up node connection for a bitcent	[17:49]
mircea_popescu:	though if you stick around mebbe a player so inclined shows up	[17:49]
zakorus123:	ok	[17:49]
hanbot:	zakorus123, I'll buy your million.	[17:57]
zakorus123:	ok cool	[17:57]
hanbot:	Trade in game.	[17:57]
zakorus123:	:)	[17:57]
zakorus123:	im in town	[17:57]
hanbot:	at -10 -137 please.	[17:58]
zakorus123:	1PRnA8FdNCSyHt5US9tf5EsAx4U8ogZeAT	[17:58]
zakorus123:	ok	[17:58]
zakorus123:	oops	[18:00]
zakorus123:	wrong coords	[18:00]
zakorus123:	coming	[18:00]
hanbot:	k	[18:00]
zakorus123:	grenadine correct?	[18:01]
zakorus123:	thats you right?	[18:02]
zakorus123:	send to	[18:02]
zakorus123:	1PRnA8FdNCSyHt5US9tf5EsAx4U8ogZeAT	[18:02]
hanbot:	Sent!	[18:03]
zakorus123:	recieved	[18:03]
zakorus123:	ty	[18:03]
hanbot:	ty!	[18:03]
danielpbarron:	bout to do a run of 45 woa using : q266 snakeskin, q238 flagon, q45 ppb, q313 blueprints	[18:46]
danielpbarron:	bout to do a run of 45 woa using : q266 snakeskin, q238 flagon, q112* ppb, q313 blueprints	[18:47]
danielpbarron:	bundle comes out 194	[18:48]
mircea_popescu:	nb	[18:50]
danielpbarron:	nearly 3 hours worth, one samovar	[18:50]
danielpbarron:	water comes out q243	[18:52]
mircea_popescu:	pretty sweet water	[18:53]
mircea_popescu:	btw can you make the other thing, what was it	[18:53]
mircea_popescu:	remembrance potion	[18:54]
Birdman:	isnt that the woa?	[18:54]
danielpbarron:	oh right, yeah i can do that	[18:55]
danielpbarron:	no water is a different thing	[18:55]
danielpbarron:	water is for going from feelings to sentiments; tincture is for going from sentiments to aspirations	[18:55]
mircea_popescu:	so can you make like 5 ?	[18:58]
danielpbarron:	i'll see if i can make a bunch of it and get it listed in my shop	[19:00]
danielpbarron:	stuff uses ampoules (the liquid container made by lapidary)	[19:01]
mircea_popescu:	aha.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu:	im gonna be selling some ampoules later once done with gt	[19:03]
danielpbarron:	so far this craft is making a delightfully ~small~ amount of numina	[19:14]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[19:22]
danielpbarron:	9 waters done, 168 lints looted	[19:23]
danielpbarron:	that's like 4k coppers not ending up in the waters, or 453.6 per water	[19:24]
danielpbarron:	which is about 1.52 percent of the value of a water	[19:28]
danielpbarron:	i propose the hypothesis that increasing rank relates to reducing this percent	[19:29]
mircea_popescu:	hm	[19:39]
mircea_popescu:	clearly if you use you know, 10\% in bps and only produce 1\% in numina, you're really eating down the numina stocks.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu:	i mean, it's true that the cons take other things besides numina ; but they also output other things besides bps.	[19:40]
danielpbarron:	well good, the numina stocks need eating down	[19:42]
mircea_popescu:	im curious if we'll manage to end up in a position where no more bps and no more numina :D	[19:48]
mircea_popescu:	the cons death of the euloraverse	[19:48]
danielpbarron:	and that's when no more bouquinist cons?	[19:48]
Birdman:	well i over crafter a bunch of em to no avail	[19:49]
mircea_popescu:	ah there';s also that huh.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu:	btw danielpbarron how much for the altar bps!	[19:51]
mircea_popescu:	how about this plan : we create eulora's first corporation! you me an' hanbot. you put the bps in ; i craft 'em ; then we sell the product – for auction! – and we split the profits.	[19:52]
danielpbarron:	eh	[19:52]
mircea_popescu:	what ?	[19:53]
danielpbarron:	i want all the altars from my blueprins	[19:53]
mircea_popescu:	ok, but then you get to qualify this "i want" in money.	[19:56]
danielpbarron:	i want rock double distilates, and gumboist considerations	[19:57]
mircea_popescu:	i dun see the matter solving otherwise ; i mean… i'm making the gins etc, but…	[19:58]
danielpbarron:	if there can't be more of those things I don't see what having more altars would solve	[19:59]
mircea_popescu:	more of which things ?\	[19:59]
danielpbarron:	i mean i have tokens enough for any 2nd tier or greater considerations	[20:00]
mircea_popescu:	i thought they all took the same	[20:01]
danielpbarron:	well i want 2nd level gumbo ones, and all bouq i guess	[20:01]
Birdman:	master considerations	[20:02]
Birdman:	barehand all day for grass >> gets ~ 200 threads worth of grass	[21:14]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[21:15]
Birdman:	yes not too good	[21:27]
hanbot:	danielpbarron so if i may extrapolate a little here, you're pricing the possibility (???) of there never being more altars otherwise introduced @ ?	[21:41]
danielpbarron:	no	[21:42]
danielpbarron:	on the waters i ended up with 31 and 538 numina at 243 quality, and 14 and 229 at 244	[21:45]
danielpbarron:	538/31 = 17.35 , 229/14 = 16.36	[21:45]
danielpbarron:	less numina per water on the higher quality	[21:45]
mircea_popescu:	interesting	[21:45]
mircea_popescu:	well, actually no, that's expected : less numina cause more q	[21:46]

diana_coman:	Birdman> iirc q400 <- wait, did you just make a cons with undercraft??	[07:44]
Birdman:	no diana_coman	[14:54]
Birdman:	i got those at an auction	[14:54]
diana_coman:	I meant: did you loot anything from that click on a ngc q152, with bp q400 and getting output q200?	[14:55]
Birdman:	yeah why wouldnt i?	[15:05]
diana_coman:	mind saying how many/what?	[15:06]
Birdman:	y?	[15:06]
Birdman:	danielpbarron you around to get that grass from me?	[15:25]
Birdman:	diana_coman any thought on that low q maculture?	[15:26]
diana_coman:	<Birdman> y? -?	[15:26]
Birdman:	i wanna understand whatever you will understand is what i mean	[15:26]
Birdman:	information isnt free!	[15:26]
diana_coman:	mk	[15:26]
diana_coman:	want my brain too?	[15:27]
Birdman:	sure, ill be in town for that soon	[15:27]
diana_coman:	problem sorted then	[15:28]
diana_coman:	your problem I mean	[15:28]
Birdman:	the amount of resources i get from small claims at q30 bundles leads me to think noob grass and noob threads are perfectly fine to use regularly	[15:30]
Birdman:	so i guess i need to find one to build some grass ords	[15:31]
diana_coman:	Birdman> diana_coman any thought on that low q maculture? <- not exactly motivated on putting thought into this	[15:49]
Birdman:	what motivates you these days?	[15:49]
Birdman:	maybe i've something that interests you	[15:50]
diana_coman:	hm, considerations, tokens, waters of anamnesia, ppb	[15:51]
diana_coman:	listed from most interesting to least	[15:52]
diana_coman:	should add grass there I suppose	[15:52]
Birdman:	let me check stocks	[15:53]
Birdman:	how much at what q are your maculture?	[16:07]
Birdman:	i have a ngc q464	[16:07]
Birdman:	lots of tokens	[16:07]
Birdman:	not many ppb bps	[16:07]
diana_coman:	not ppb bps, but actual ppb	[16:10]
diana_coman:	I have maculature of all sorts of from some 81 to 600+ I think	[16:12]
diana_coman:	you were after low q, right?	[16:12]
Birdman:	anything under q100 yes	[16:12]
diana_coman:	45 at 81q, 54 at 73q, 54 at 100q, 54 at 119q	[16:13]
Birdman:	hmm	[16:15]
Birdman:	i'd give you this q464 ngc and a token for the q100 and under	[16:15]
Birdman:	and i'd throw in 999 q142 of the apron lints it takes too	[16:16]
Birdman:	and ftr if anyone is interested i would sell 5 tokens for 2.5mn	[16:18]
diana_coman:	doesn't add up at all to me; I can do the 45 81q and 54 73q maculature for that ngc+token, no lints fine	[16:26]
diana_coman:	what q are those tokens of yours?	[16:29]
danielpbarron:	Birdman, i'll give you 2 mn for the tokens	[16:34]
Birdman:	pass and pass	[16:35]
Birdman:	i think 2.5mn is a steal for 5 tokens	[16:36]
Birdman:	danielpbarron i'd trade you 9 incons. tokens for 5 grotesque	[16:36]
diana_coman:	<Birdman> i think 2.5mn is a steal for 5 tokens <- at this price I'll just buy them directly from the source as I did last time, so I don't see the "steal"	[16:46]
Birdman:	i think they should be worth nearing one million each	[16:46]
diana_coman:	but whatevs	[16:46]
diana_coman:	kk	[16:46]
Birdman:	what are they being sold for?	[16:47]
diana_coman:	how was it, some info is not for free – you have to at least go and look for it in all the public places where it is clearly written	[16:48]
Birdman:	w/e w/e	[16:48]
danielpbarron:	just got 2.5k bird's nest from an ord	[18:17]
danielpbarron:	172 quality	[18:17]
danielpbarron:	438k bv	[18:17]
danielpbarron:	er	[18:19]
danielpbarron:	243 quality	[18:19]
danielpbarron:	172 bv per unit	[18:19]
Birdman:	crazy stuff	[18:20]
Birdman:	electron bundle?	[18:20]
danielpbarron:	yeah	[18:25]
danielpbarron:	oh and it ranked up my building from a nearly fresh slate	[18:35]
Birdman:	you're nearly 2x as good as me	[19:05]
Birdman:	high sortage?	[19:05]
Birdman:	my building is getting to be a pretty decent level	[19:05]
Birdman:	are there any noobs even left?	[19:44]
Birdman:	electron has a bunch of resources	[23:48]
Birdman:	mircea_popescu you around to buy some wwb / wpl	[23:52]

Birdman:	i think thats the case	[00:27]
zakorus123:	hey guys does anyone wanna buy 1.2 mil coppers for .012 bitcoin?	[00:43]
mircea_popescu:	lol this guy	[00:59]
Birdman:	heh	[01:02]
Birdman:	guess next time i'll offer him for 10\%	[01:12]
zakorus123:	hmmm	[01:23]
zakorus123:	is anyone here	[01:23]
zakorus123:	???	[01:25]
mircea_popescu:	yes ?	[01:27]
zakorus123:	i reeally need .012 btc so im selling some of my coppers	[01:27]
zakorus123:	you interested?	[01:27]
mircea_popescu:	yes but it's the worst conceivable strategy, to try and nickle and dime like that.	[01:27]
zakorus123:	?	[01:28]
mircea_popescu:	weren't you selling 1mn last week or somesuch ?	[01:28]
zakorus123:	yes	[01:28]
mircea_popescu:	so why not sell the whole thing then ?	[01:28]
zakorus123:	but now i need .012 to renew my ffxiv sub	[01:28]
zakorus123:	i took what i needed then	[01:28]
mircea_popescu:	i c.	[01:29]
zakorus123:	so… is that a yes or a no?	[01:30]
zakorus123:	guess its a no?	[01:32]
zakorus123:	:/	[01:33]
mircea_popescu:	kinda can't be arsed for such a small ammt, personally.	[01:36]
zakorus123:	:/	[01:37]
zakorus123:	ill be here until someone else wants to buy it i guess	[01:37]
zakorus123:	https://imgur.com/gallery/ZlaSRVa heres a picture of a bat eating a grape	[01:42]
zakorus123:	lol	[01:42]
zakorus123:	super cute	[01:43]
mircea_popescu:	lol nb	[01:50]
zakorus123:	:/	[02:28]
zakorus123:	is anyone besides mircae on?	[02:28]
diana_coman:	hi zakorus123	[02:33]
zakorus123:	hi diana	[02:33]
zakorus123:	are youable to buy 1.2m coppers	[02:34]
zakorus123:	i need the btc to renew my ffxiv sub	[02:34]
diana_coman:	uhm, won't jurov do that?	[02:34]
zakorus123:	hes not on	[02:34]
zakorus123:	and i run out of sub time in 2 hours	[02:34]
diana_coman:	well, a transaction might not get confirmed in 2 hours anyway	[02:35]
zakorus123:	true but atleast itll get started	[02:35]
diana_coman:	anyway, I wouldn't be able to do it on the spot as I'm travelling	[02:35]
zakorus123:	gotcha…	[02:35]
zakorus123:	so im screwed for nowthen	[02:35]
zakorus123:	mircae said he cant be bothered for an amount that low	[02:36]
diana_coman:	I also don't really get it much: are you now selling the coppers you bought a few days ago?	[02:38]
diana_coman:	are you still playing for that matter?	[02:38]
zakorus123:	not rlly	[02:39]
diana_coman:	…	[02:40]
zakorus123:	i bought the coppers 2 weeks ago also	[02:40]
diana_coman:	after which you promptly stopped playing? lol	[02:41]
zakorus123:	yeah i guess im not into it	[02:41]
zakorus123:	also im leaving 100k in there just in case someday i do want to play	[02:41]
zakorus123:	anyone home?	[03:58]
zakorus123:	im officially out of sub time in 33 minutes	[03:58]
zakorus123:	is no one able to rescue me by buying my 1.2m coppers	[03:59]
zakorus123:	mircae PLEASE	[03:59]
zakorus123:	makes sad puppy eyes	[04:03]
mircea_popescu:	the moral here is, don't nickle and dime.	[06:41]
jurov:	zakorus oh my	[07:32]
mircea_popescu:	watch him do this for an hour a day five days a week until he's earned the five bucks in question ten times over in clerical fees.	[07:34]
Birdman:	danielpbarron you around for those bod?	[16:57]
danielpbarron:	Birdman, ya	[17:06]
Birdman:	cool on my way to town	[17:06]
zakorus123:	hey	[17:21]
zakorus123:	anyone here?	[17:22]
danielpbarron:	ya	[17:26]
zakorus123:	hey u wanna buy 1.2m coppers for .012 btc	[17:26]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron do me the pleasure and buy him out completely ?	[17:26]
danielpbarron:	k	[17:27]
mircea_popescu:	ty.	[17:27]
zakorus123:	ok lemme log in	[17:27]
mircea_popescu:	zakorus123 you can't sell 1.2mn. you can sell ~everything you have~, only. and plox don't return.	[17:27]
jurov:	hi zakorus123	[17:27]
zakorus123:	dont return in 2 years when the game is better? why	[17:28]
mircea_popescu:	say it's because i'm an utter asshole an' leave it at that ?	[17:28]
zakorus123:	ummm	[17:28]
zakorus123:	your not an asshole i already know that	[17:29]
zakorus123:	1NPXMMBcuFjT9A6hwaimA6fRarsmmJySLN	[17:30]
danielpbarron:	any items?	[17:30]
zakorus123:	nope	[17:30]
zakorus123:	sold thos already	[17:30]
danielpbarron:	1370248	[17:30]
zakorus123:	yup	[17:31]
zakorus123:	im sorry for idssapointing you guys	[17:31]
jurov:	zakorus123: i have explained to you at what times i'm reachable	[17:31]
zakorus123:	those times arent really good for me jurov	[17:32]
zakorus123:	awaiting payment dan	[17:32]
jurov:	what can i say. you are here at such time anyway.	[17:33]
zakorus123:	recieved ty	[17:35]
danielpbarron:	zakorus123, 13a105dcab1abd9242840d428cbe4173a60f6619b9f3023f1d22caae72648f34	[17:35]
mircea_popescu:	thumbsup	[17:35]
Birdman:	q152 ngc makes q200+ stuff	[18:21]
Birdman:	pretty cool, guess im a decent bouqinist	[18:21]
danielpbarron:	nice	[19:07]
mircea_popescu:	nb huh	[19:13]
Birdman:	thinkin, its probably more the high q bp i have more than anything	[19:25]
Birdman:	iirc q400	[19:25]
mircea_popescu:	that's pretty high yeah	[19:27]

Birdman:	6 ords, 53 smalls from 59 cs	[01:22]
mircea_popescu:	sounds bout right	[01:51]
Birdman:	yeah nothin special	[01:56]
Birdman:	somehow am managing to move while overweight	[17:00]
Birdman:	ahh nevermind	[17:00]
Birdman:	thats some pretty nice amgc bundle q diana_coman good luck!	[17:25]
diana_coman:	hm, some csw and some poccs	[18:21]
diana_coman:	as actually interesting (other than that: mockasillies and hauberk)	[18:21]
diana_coman:	in any case, rather excellent maculature I suppose	[18:22]
danielpbarron:	hey congrats on csw	[18:39]
danielpbarron:	i'll biy	[18:39]
Birdman:	CSW?	[18:40]
danielpbarron:	wineskin	[18:40]
Birdman:	AH	[18:40]
danielpbarron:	ya	[18:40]

hanbot:	mhm	[00:17]
Birdman:	mircea_popescu: i have 1803 rf q154; 562 cr q152; 2700 q143 f; 5966 rr q158 for 1727	[05:07]
Birdman:	1 have ~1.7k rr q200+ but i'd want 180\% on it	[05:11]
Birdman:	because of my lowish building and only getting sortage fairly recently, i dont build ords over q200, so i do need the mark up on stuff of that quality	[05:11]
Birdman:	using electron bundles that is	[05:12]
diana_coman:	heh, curious if market bends to what you need though	[05:15]
diana_coman:	rr goes into charcoals so who knows	[05:16]
Birdman:	well im in no rush either way, have pretty decent stocks of things in the q200 range i havent bothered to mention as it is	[05:20]
mircea_popescu:	Birdman well the idea is you buy what you need when it's offered for sale.	[07:44]
mircea_popescu:	and sure, im in town	[07:45]
mircea_popescu:	hanbot i have a little yes.	[07:45]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman i actually have the 40k rr i need for the poc all laid out here.	[07:46]
diana_coman:	diana_coman> AUCTION 60cs 20283 durability, heard 4.8mn from Birdman ; ETA 8pm GMT, 27 May 2016 <- about 8 hours left	[08:05]
mircea_popescu:	pretty cheap huh.	[08:10]
diana_coman:	apparently cs are not all that needed after all	[08:10]
diana_coman:	it's very little above the market value of all bps and ingredients involved	[08:12]
Mafroz:	hi!	[08:55]
mircea_popescu:	how goes mafroz	[09:03]
diana_coman:	hi Mafroz	[09:29]
Mafroz:	can't look around with mouse. Is it possible at all?	[09:29]
Mafroz:	Hi, diana!	[09:29]
diana_coman:	I think it is, but never really used that, did you check the help?	[09:29]
diana_coman:	I think danielpbarron used that maybe?	[09:29]
Mafroz:	yeah i've used the help)yesterday i told about lang, and some1 has told me that i can change some files in game folder for this. What kind of files?)))	[09:31]
mircea_popescu:	lol are you on windows ?	[09:33]
mircea_popescu:	this pops up whenever a windows person comes in, we resolve it every time after some wondering, then i ask the person to put it in the wiki for the next person, then they don't, then we forget all about it because we don't give a shit, then again and again	[09:33]
mircea_popescu:	what was it i wonder, tab ?	[09:34]
diana_coman:	so then maybe just search in the logs for mouse movement or whatevs	[09:34]
mircea_popescu:	i just did.	[09:34]
mircea_popescu:	Mafroz leaving aside that the help actually says how to edit the help ; it's help.xml in /eulora/data	[09:35]
Mafroz:	well, there is aborting changes after relaunch the app, when i've changing a .xml files	[09:37]
mircea_popescu:	o.O ?!	[09:37]
mircea_popescu:	dpaste the spew in question please	[09:38]
Mafroz:	i change the xml file(copypaste another lang)–>launch app–>logging of–>open xml file–> there is samething that was before	[09:39]
Mafroz:	and i have to launch eulora.bat or psclient.exe?	[09:41]
diana_coman:	eulora.bat sets the env vars for you as far as I remember so you prolly want that one	[09:41]
mircea_popescu:	you don't "open xml file", you just click the ?	[09:41]
mircea_popescu:	there's a large questionmark symbol up top	[09:42]
Mafroz:	)))))there written that i have to change the language in launcher	[09:45]
mircea_popescu:	well you can change any knobs you want ; but the point is that there isn't currently any other language used anywhere ; and if you want it to be, you'll have to introduce it yourself, by editing the client.	[09:46]
Mafroz:	))))))there was my question, what i have to edit for switching lol	[09:47]
danielpbarron:	that wasn't my client crashing; i brought it down for some scheduled maintainance :p	[11:17]
mircea_popescu:	lol!	[11:21]
Birdman:	danielpbarron got two bod for me?	[15:14]
Birdman:	mircea_popescu you around to grab that stuff>	[15:15]
mircea_popescu:	yes.	[15:15]
Birdman:	i have 1803 rf q154; 562 cr q152; 2700 q143 f; 5966 rr q158 for 1727	[15:17]
mircea_popescu:	(5966 * 67 * 1.58 + 562 * 1.52 * 73 + 1803 * 1.54 * 67 + 2700 * 1.43 * 88) * 1.5 = 1829582.73	[15:17]
mircea_popescu:	where'd you come with that ?	[15:18]
Birdman:	your math is probably right then	[15:18]
mircea_popescu:	danke	[15:19]
Birdman:	ty	[15:19]
mircea_popescu:	someone really gotta start selling grass this is progressing towards ridoinculous.	[15:19]
Birdman:	well i've been barehanding it with only threads, only using one thread per claim	[15:21]
Birdman:	seems to profit me some grass / quality	[15:21]
Birdman:	maybe i'll burn those cs on grass and hope for a remark	[15:22]
mircea_popescu:	why settle for a remark :D	[15:24]
Birdman:	well its the only thing i could realistically build :p	[15:31]
Birdman:	how much is the sizeable bundle, 50mn?	[15:31]
Birdman:	though electron does sell it so i guess worst case i could find an investor	[15:32]
mircea_popescu:	aha	[15:37]
Birdman:	<mircea_popescu>(5966 * 67 * 1.58 + 562 * 1.52 * 73 + 1803 * 1.54 * 67 + 2700 * 1.43 * 88) * 1.5 = 1829582.73 << rf is 80ecu bv not 67	[15:51]
mircea_popescu:	rr is 67	[15:52]
mircea_popescu:	ooo	[15:52]
mircea_popescu:	(5966 * 67 * 1.58 + 562 * 1.52 * 73 + 1803 * 1.54 * 80 + 2700 * 1.43 * 88) * 1.5 = 1883726.82	[15:52]
mircea_popescu:	ok, material error. i owe you 53k then ?	[15:52]
Birdman:	no you paid me the price i stated even though your math said otherwise	[15:54]
mircea_popescu:	really 2000000 – 1883726.82 – 120000 + 3727 aha!	[15:54]
mircea_popescu:	right you are :p	[15:54]
Birdman:	heh	[15:54]
Birdman:	diana_coman can i pick those cs up yet? wanna get crackin on that grass problem	[15:58]
danielpbarron:	Birdman> danielpbarron got two bod for me? << ya	[16:04]
Birdman:	in town?	[16:04]
danielpbarron:	in a sec	[16:05]
Birdman:	how much for em?	[16:10]
danielpbarron:	i don't recall and my site isn't loading at the moment	[16:11]
Birdman:	was 180\% aqabv iirc	[16:13]
danielpbarron:	min order is 100k	[16:14]
Birdman:	uhhm ill buy 3 then	[16:15]
Birdman:	or some of your cs	[16:16]
diana_coman:	diana_coman> AUCTION 60cs 20283 durability, heard 4.8mn from Birdman ; ETA 8pm GMT, 27 May 2016 <- sold	[16:28]
Birdman:	yippie	[16:28]
Birdman:	oh 4.8	[16:30]
diana_coman:	lol, I don't mind	[16:30]
diana_coman:	good luck	[16:30]
Birdman:	thank you!	[16:30]
Birdman:	60 sizeables here i come	[16:33]
diana_coman:	hm, is the demand for grass that desperate?	[16:52]
Birdman:	diana_coman sell me some threads?	[16:56]
diana_coman:	threads no way	[16:56]
Birdman:	exactly!	[16:56]
diana_coman:	I'll sell some grass if people want it so much	[16:57]
Birdman:	i'd buy grass, whatcha got?	[16:57]
diana_coman:	just trying to figure out if it's really a desperate thing or not	[16:57]
diana_coman:	hanbot is the only one who asked specifically for grass and as far as I know she got what she wanted	[16:58]
Birdman:	i am seemingly too good at gathering to hit grass lol, all AE	[16:58]
diana_coman:	doh	[16:58]
diana_coman:	go to the right spot for grass , jeez	[16:58]
Birdman:	im there i thought, next to everyone's remarks for i	[16:58]
Birdman:	it	[16:58]
diana_coman:	well, you might have noticed you can hit grass in many places, right? it's not everywhere quite the same though	[16:59]
Birdman:	i've noticed that where resources were before the change seem to hit most frequently in the same spot though	[17:00]
diana_coman:	aha	[17:01]
diana_coman:	but did you isolate different resources?	[17:01]
diana_coman:	has been working on this project quite intensively recently	[17:01]
danielpbarron:	Birdman, it's 50k each so 2 is ok	[17:02]
Birdman:	deal, next im in town	[17:02]
Birdman:	just to click the damn things	[17:03]
Birdman:	diana_coman where to you recommend i look for grass?	[17:03]
diana_coman:	eh, a spot where I consistently hit only a few basics (grass, shiny rock and something else that I forgot right now) is a bit down that hill in the sandy area – you'll prolly still see my claims around	[17:05]
diana_coman:	but tbh grass is one of those that I did not get to fully isolate yet	[17:05]
diana_coman:	I seem to get more shiny rock there tbh	[17:05]
Birdman:	what would you be selling grass for anyways?	[17:12]
diana_coman:	well, if it's really needed that badly, I'll just auction it and see where it goes	[17:17]
diana_coman:	but if the situation is not that desperate, there's no point in it	[17:18]
mircea_popescu:	ae is not bad either.	[17:18]
diana_coman:	so I just got ~900 grass q19 from Mafroz building my claims	[17:18]
mircea_popescu:	nb.	[17:18]
diana_coman:	yeah, tbh I think this is the quickest way to get quantity as it were	[17:19]
mircea_popescu:	i'd buy say 10 stacks.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu:	or 20, something like that.	[17:19]
diana_coman:	heh, if he gets the hang of it	[17:19]
mircea_popescu:	though honestly i'd prefer more in the 50ish range.	[17:19]
danielpbarron:	got an ord snakeskin!!!	[17:19]
mircea_popescu:	i guess level him up ?	[17:19]
diana_coman:	that was out of 5 claims if he counted them right (I gave him a set of 10 so he still has some to go)	[17:19]
mircea_popescu:	wow not bad dan	[17:20]
diana_coman:	well, he doesn't even have the skill	[17:20]
danielpbarron:	from a cs	[17:20]
diana_coman:	well done danielpbarron	[17:20]
diana_coman:	but those were not that rare, were they?	[17:20]
danielpbarron:	1k bv	[17:20]
mircea_popescu:	you will need a shitton for the 1k books	[17:20]
danielpbarron:	i will use them all on waters	[17:20]
diana_coman:	myeah, tell me about it, lol	[17:20]
mircea_popescu:	iirc they're rarer than say tlc	[17:20]
diana_coman:	I need grc and ss so I've been at those for a while before the grass trouble	[17:21]
diana_coman:	not to mention flotsam for the ich	[17:21]
diana_coman:	joys of a miner	[17:21]
mircea_popescu:	what;s ich again ?	[17:21]
diana_coman:	improved cruddy hoe	[17:21]
danielpbarron:	18 ae, 1 dm, 1 io, 1 bn	[17:21]
mircea_popescu:	ah ah	[17:21]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron, isn't it already in the cookbook?	[17:21]
danielpbarron:	idk	[17:21]
mircea_popescu:	ftr, i could sell 500 ss but lowish q.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu:	it is yeah.	[17:22]
diana_coman:	myea, I still have some q1	[17:23]
mircea_popescu:	mine are like 50ish	[17:23]
diana_coman:	re noob's grass it's prolly easier to mix his with mine to get it to whatevs q but honestly since there is no difference in markup I don't see the point	[17:23]
danielpbarron:	water is wanted at very high quality though right?	[17:24]
diana_coman:	and I think that is precisely the trouble with the current approach re pricing: no point to sell high q	[17:24]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron, what's the link?	[17:24]
diana_coman:	yes, it is	[17:25]
diana_coman:	or at least I want it as high q as possible, yes	[17:25]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman well there's a difference of demand. i'd get 2-3 stacks of this q20 stuff and 20-30 stacks if it were q 50 -100	[17:30]
diana_coman:	lol, as if there is such a huge offer or anything	[17:30]
mircea_popescu:	that's kinda why the curves are flat : volumes are low.	[17:30]
Birdman:	thats why im waiting till i have loads of high q stuff to bring to the table	[17:48]
mircea_popescu:	bejesus i burned millions worth of harnesses….	[18:43]
mircea_popescu:	guess ima have to make even more.	[18:43]
Birdman:	Yes mircea_popescu AE is not bad, if i ever get the threads to build it!	[19:01]
Birdman:	well 18 cs in and no grass, i give up	[19:37]
Birdman:	back to farming	[19:37]
Birdman:	damn client crashed	[19:46]
Birdman:	is there some sort of log i can post to figure out why?	[19:46]
hanbot:	diana_coman> hanbot is the only one who asked specifically for grass and as far as I know she got what she wanted << Nah, was super low volume for an experiment I meanwhile abandoned.	[20:16]
Birdman:	if anyone has Q300 grass i'd pay 180\% for it	[21:22]
mircea_popescu:	Birdman how about q 1000 ?	[21:28]
Birdman:	i'd buy q1000 grass for 180\% sure	[21:28]
mircea_popescu:	lemme see here	[21:28]
mircea_popescu:	i got 51 q 1025. how about 200 seeing how it's an utter pita.	[21:29]
Birdman:	is that all i can get?	[21:29]
mircea_popescu:	all i got yep	[21:29]
Birdman:	i guess im all set then	[21:30]
mircea_popescu:	k	[21:30]
Birdman:	thanks though	[21:30]
Birdman:	i just dont find anything important enough to justify it	[21:31]
Birdman:	and my bps aren't that great	[21:31]
mircea_popescu:	np	[21:36]
Birdman:	thinking if i went at it long enough i'd probably get a remarkable grass or something, but i was finding mainly tpt which is pretty wasteful right now	[22:23]
Birdman:	maybe a noob would find some grass ords easily, but couldnt say what their output would be, even if they didnt miss often and find things besides grass	[22:24]
Birdman:	someone mid level would be best for that i guess	[22:24]
mircea_popescu:	mid level, that'd be you neh ?	[22:25]
Birdman:	scoffs	[22:25]
Birdman:	i like to think im a high tier gatherer	[22:25]

hanbot:	i'll bid 10m mircea_popescu	[00:08]
Birdman:	stone adze right?	[00:18]
diana_coman:	so basic tools fetch 250\% but improved ones don't?	[01:43]
diana_coman:	euloran weirdness of prices	[01:44]
Birdman:	no complaints	[02:13]
Birdman:	diana_coman i've at least 100 worn hoes if you want them?	[02:28]
diana_coman:	Birdman, come to get the imp hoes	[02:28]
diana_coman:	neah, I have tons, but I think mp takes them, doesn't he?	[02:28]
Birdman:	omw	[02:28]
Birdman:	yeah just figured i'd offer you first since you won the imp hoe bps	[02:28]
diana_coman:	I still have more worn-out hoes than bps for imps	[02:29]
diana_coman:	sad	[02:29]
diana_coman:	enjoy!	[02:32]
Birdman:	thanks	[02:32]
Birdman:	hopefully i get a remark	[02:32]
diana_coman:	well, better a sizeable or ample if you are at it anyway	[02:33]
Birdman:	is an ample claim the one above sizeable?	[02:39]
diana_coman:	nobody really knows, since nobody ever got one	[02:41]
Birdman:	sweet	[02:41]
Birdman:	tool mining is awesome!	[03:02]
diana_coman:	heh	[03:02]
Birdman:	boom tlc ord	[04:18]
Birdman:	keep getting tpt ords too, but those aren't the ones im after	[04:18]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 270 SA d 15048, 10mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00	[09:36]
mircea_popescu:	Birdman yeah, stone adze.	[09:36]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman as the man said, that was zen, this is tao!	[09:37]
mircea_popescu:	damn this cooking's slow.	[13:11]
diana_coman:	hi wyrdmantis	[13:20]
wyrdmantis:	hi diana_coman :)	[13:20]
diana_coman:	are you back in game at all	[13:20]
diana_coman:	?	[13:20]
wyrdmantis:	loggin now	[13:21]
wyrdmantis:	do you need some work?	[13:22]
diana_coman:	could do with a load of grass I guess or if you have time some long tinkering	[13:22]
diana_coman:	but I'd need to do some tests on that first	[13:22]
wyrdmantis:	i'll be here all the evening	[13:23]
diana_coman:	cool then; let me get some stuff out	[13:23]
diana_coman:	what rank do you have in tinkering?	[13:24]
wyrdmantis:	6	[13:24]
diana_coman:	not bad at all	[13:25]
diana_coman:	wyrdmantis, come to town and trade me	[13:26]
diana_coman:	that's just the test, go make it	[13:29]
diana_coman:	I need to see what q you get	[13:29]
wyrdmantis:	kk	[13:29]
diana_coman:	did you get some feelings too?	[13:32]
diana_coman:	you can keep the feelings, but just wanted to know the score	[13:32]
wyrdmantis:	ah	[13:32]
wyrdmantis:	no :( nothing else	[13:33]
diana_coman:	heh, it's actually not bad to get 4 braided threads out of 3 cft	[13:33]
diana_coman:	one min to calc	[13:33]
diana_coman:	hm, I think I need to get you first some longer tinkering run to up your skill a bit	[13:34]
wyrdmantis:	no problem	[13:35]
diana_coman:	accept on this and let me get out some grass for you to make threads	[13:35]
diana_coman:	trade me wyrdmantis	[13:39]
wyrdmantis:	diana_coman bot is acting weird, delay seems lagging	[14:01]
diana_coman:	perhaps your connection is lagging?	[14:13]
diana_coman:	unless you changed the bot, there is no other change really	[14:13]
diana_coman:	give it something like /bot craft 500 1000 M 99909990	[14:14]
diana_coman:	so that it just keeps checking every second	[14:14]
diana_coman:	and it should be ok	[14:14]
Birdman:	diana_coman anything you need to smooth out making more imp hoes?	[16:11]
diana_coman:	a few tons of high q flotsam really and/or high q grass	[16:12]
diana_coman:	flotsam is the most direct and I get it myself but the thing is that if I run out of tools and/or cft it doesn't work	[16:12]
Birdman:	next i get to town ill see about the flotsam, i might have a few thousand	[16:12]
diana_coman:	could help	[16:12]
Birdman:	dont use tools on basic spots!	[16:12]
diana_coman:	it's usually not only basics really, they just come in and anyway, if you don't use tools, you basically don't get gathering xp that fast	[16:13]
diana_coman:	also logically I'd expect you actually get more overall with tools, but I haven't yet run the numbers so won't claim that directly	[16:14]
Birdman:	i've found a spot that has only two basics, 3 groceries, one mining, and one lumber, best so far on rare:basic	[16:14]
Birdman:	and i know, get almost no gathering exp from barehanding these days, but its still a crazy subsidy	[16:14]
diana_coman:	you say it's cheaper to get basics bh and I don't contradict that; question is whether it's also faster or not when you want large quantity	[16:15]
Birdman:	yeah true, the only difference in hit rates i ~really~ see is the chance of getting ords regularly with the tools	[16:16]
Birdman:	slightly faster using tools to hit the smalls/tinies, but its not crazy	[16:17]
Birdman:	the barehanding subsidy is best utilized by us high tier gatherers	[16:17]
Birdman:	i'm pretty certain i get significantly more building exp from claims i tool mined, have you noticed something like that?	[16:23]
diana_coman:	I don't really look either way and I did not log xp so I couldn't really say but my observation has been that I tend to get more out of tool-mined claims (as total output)	[16:28]
Birdman:	i just havent seen my farming bar jump like it just did from an ord in a long time, was almost an entire level	[16:30]
diana_coman:	ah, a ton of bms would probably be even better than the flotsam	[16:36]
Birdman:	im probably one of the least fit to make those, and i just sold my bms bps	[16:37]
wyrdmantis:	diana_coman staff ready	[16:38]
wyrdmantis:	stuff*	[16:38]
diana_coman:	yay wyrdmantis , what tink level are you at?	[16:38]
diana_coman:	wyrdmantis, trade	[16:40]
diana_coman:	it's 8k, will keep track of the 2k	[16:41]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman> heh, it's actually not bad to get 4 braided threads out of 3 cft << sounds pretty epic huh.	[18:22]
diana_coman:	well, it was 35q bct out of 200 cft	[18:23]
diana_coman:	200q cft	[18:23]
diana_coman:	so overall 1080Ã¢\u0088\u009243180*0.35 = 324, strictly speaking still a loss	[18:24]
diana_coman:	did not even count the bp in there	[18:24]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 270 SA d 15048, 10mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 << sold, come pick it.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman yeah but the thing is, multiple results erodes the cost basis of the bp in the craft	[18:25]
mircea_popescu:	basically you're only paying for 1/4 bp	[18:25]
mircea_popescu:	if your materials are say 150\% and your bp 500\%, you'd much rather put more load on the left and less on the right as it were.	[18:25]
diana_coman:	yeah, it's also kind of what one wants for stuff such as cft for instance: either you get tons of low q grass or otherwise oc the hell out of it hoping for more cft than you had grass for	[18:25]
mircea_popescu:	yeah cause you have that option also, get your grass claim mined high or low.	[18:27]
mircea_popescu:	lotta optionality huh.	[18:28]
diana_coman:	lots of ways to get into trouble, yeah	[18:28]
diana_coman:	lolz	[18:28]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[18:29]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman braided threads aren't 180 base neh ?	[18:30]
diana_coman:	that's why I multiplied by 3, was lazy to search	[18:30]
mircea_popescu:	3 * 2 * 180 – 4 * ah ah i see	[18:30]
mircea_popescu:	yeah, 3 * 2 * 180 – 4 * 540 * .35 = 324	[18:30]
zakorus123:	hey guys	[22:33]
zakorus123:	anyone wanna trade 2mil copper for .02 btc? i dont think i need as much copper as i ahve	[22:33]
zakorus123:	at least not yet	[22:33]
zakorus123:	just saying i think i deposited too early	[22:34]
zakorus123:	maybe i should keep 500k tho	[22:39]
zakorus123:	so .015 for 1.5mil copper	[22:39]

alikim:	danielpbarron: do you still have those cfts?	[00:14]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron you selling remembrance tinctures ?	[01:30]
alikim:	WTS: WPL 65 q138, WPL 41 q139, WPL 76 q74	[01:37]
alikim:	(152 * 65 * 138 + 152 * 41 * 139 + 152 * 76 * 74) * 130 * 0.0001 = 40098	[01:37]
mircea_popescu:	ill buy em.	[01:37]
mircea_popescu:	also you should probably check my shop page.	[01:37]
alikim:	ok	[01:38]
alikim:	you are busy, I'll drop in the table then	[01:38]
mircea_popescu:	hit me now	[01:39]
mircea_popescu:	just sorting bps and whatnot.	[01:39]
alikim:	didn't work , just a sec	[01:39]
mircea_popescu:	no rush.	[01:40]
alikim:	no, it doesn't work, syas you can not move an item being exchanged	[01:42]
mircea_popescu:	"it"	[01:42]
mircea_popescu:	what "it" ?	[01:42]
alikim:	when I try to add another batch into trading window	[01:42]
alikim:	it = chat	[01:42]
mircea_popescu:	you can't split a stack into the trade window, no	[01:43]
mircea_popescu:	you can add distinct stacks	[01:43]
alikim:	I can't	[01:43]
mircea_popescu:	apparrently i can.	[01:43]
alikim:	I can't also drop anything and open inventory	[01:43]
mircea_popescu:	lotta malfunctions huh ?	[01:43]
alikim:	and if I cancel the trade I'll mix two stacks	[01:43]
alikim:	fuck	[01:44]
mircea_popescu:	um.	[01:44]
alikim:	the game fucked me up again	[01:44]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[01:44]
alikim:	mixed two stacks	[01:44]
mircea_popescu:	"this rake that was sitting there minding its own business fucked me up again by my stepping on it"	[01:45]
alikim:	I'll have to use table only from now on	[01:45]
mircea_popescu:	well, really, you'll have to come to terms with the fact that ~nobody can be arsed to split-trade the same item with you.	[01:45]
alikim:	because the trade window got bugged	[01:46]
mircea_popescu:	i dun much care for 40 leather of this q and 35 of that q sorta deals.	[01:46]
alikim:	I w=didn't split anything	[01:46]
mircea_popescu:	then what got mixed ?	[01:46]
alikim:	I put one q stack in trade window and another q stack picked from the ground into my inv	[01:46]
mircea_popescu:	and so they mixed.	[01:47]
alikim:	and then I couldn't move either of them	[01:47]
mircea_popescu:	if you want not to mix, drag from table ; if you want to mix, pick from ground.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu:	tis how it works.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu:	anyway.	[01:47]
alikim:	no, I had one stack in trade window and one stack in inventory and I couldn't add the second stack into trade window	[01:48]
mircea_popescu:	i am not interested in buying small quantities of multiple quality items. if you have a stack of leather at 99 and a stack of leather at 101 that's fine, they won't mix anyway.	[01:48]
alikim:	or drop it back to the ground	[01:48]
mircea_popescu:	if you have 40 leather 99 and 30 leather 101, mix 'em, or pick a single one to sell.	[01:48]
alikim:	with the message "you cannot move an item being exchanged"	[01:49]
mircea_popescu:	neways, ima go back to sorting my library.	[01:49]
alikim:	ok, I have this in the table WPL 65 q138, WPL 117 q96, (152 * 65 * 138 + 152 * 117 * 96) * 130 * 0.0001 = 39919	[01:59]
mircea_popescu:	so pick it up an' trade me	[01:59]
mircea_popescu:	ill give you the same 40100 from b4.	[01:59]
alikim:	can you pick it from the table?	[01:59]
mircea_popescu:	i can but i dun wanna.	[01:59]
mircea_popescu:	is this gonna take a while ?	[02:01]
mircea_popescu:	sigh.	[02:01]
alikim:	no, it doesn't let me to add the second stack into trade window with the sam eerror	[02:02]
mircea_popescu:	dude…	[02:02]
mircea_popescu:	you understand we've been fucking with this 40k for the past HALF HOUR ?	[02:03]
mircea_popescu:	that's enough for one day. try again tomorrow.	[02:03]
mircea_popescu:	please have everything 100\% lined up an' ready to go.	[02:03]
alikim:	and it got mixed again.. nice	[02:04]
alikim:	ok, I'll talk to diana_coman about this bug	[02:04]
mircea_popescu:	o hey, so it looks i have ~everything lined up here to make 1k charcoal and 500 ma afterwards.	[02:28]
mircea_popescu:	so i guess once the gin's done next week ima do that. you stacking up them grubs amirite diana_coman ?	[02:29]
diana_coman:	heh, I'll check	[02:29]
diana_coman:	alikim> no, I had one stack in trade window and one stack in inventory and I couldn't add the second stack into trade window <- alikim, that's not how it works…	[02:29]
alikim:	how it works?	[02:30]
diana_coman:	really now: when it's moved to the trade window, that is only temporary until you finish the trade basically	[02:30]
diana_coman:	hence from the client's point of view they are still in your inv (which makes sense, the window is NOT a container)	[02:31]
diana_coman:	so yes, if you don't want them to mix, put them in a table and then take the table in your inv	[02:31]
diana_coman:	you can then just open table while in your inventory	[02:31]
diana_coman:	and have therefore any number of stacks you want	[02:31]
diana_coman:	if you pick stuff up from the ground it WILL mix/try to mix	[02:32]
alikim:	can I move items directly from the table in my inventory into trade window?	[02:36]
mircea_popescu:	nope.	[02:36]
alikim:	so I move them one by one from the table in my inventory into inventory and then trade window?	[02:37]
diana_coman:	actually by trying now with heina I seem to be able to move directly from table in inv to the trade window?	[02:39]
mircea_popescu:	from table to inv yes.	[02:39]
alikim:	if you can't then they will mix up in your inventory so you should	[02:39]
mircea_popescu:	from table to tw, no.	[02:39]
diana_coman:	no, from table to trade window that I opened with heina mircea_popescu	[02:40]
mircea_popescu:	funky	[02:40]
mircea_popescu:	i remember trying this… wanna trade me ?	[02:40]
diana_coman:	yep, works	[02:40]
mircea_popescu:	aokthen	[02:41]
diana_coman:	those are from 2 stacks in a table in my inv	[02:41]
mircea_popescu:	uh.	[02:41]
diana_coman:	and I even have more lbn in inv directly	[02:41]
mircea_popescu:	the TABLE is in your inventory ?	[02:41]
mircea_popescu:	then ofcourse it works.	[02:41]
diana_coman:	yes, that is the point	[02:41]
mircea_popescu:	i thought it was on the ground	[02:41]
diana_coman:	NO, that's the point	[02:41]
mircea_popescu:	yes yes, table in inv works.	[02:41]
mircea_popescu:	they're still "in your invetory"	[02:41]
diana_coman:	take table in inv, best of both worlds	[02:41]
hanbot:	lol @ this saga	[02:41]
mircea_popescu:	unless it's too heavy. but yeah.	[02:41]
diana_coman:	if it's too heavy, you pick it up after opening trade	[02:41]
diana_coman:	still no problem	[02:42]
mircea_popescu:	sure.	[02:42]
mircea_popescu:	anyway. i still don't want to buy multi-quality ministacks.	[02:42]
diana_coman:	hanbot, have you found the dm?	[02:42]
alikim:	diana_coman: ok, thanks for the explanation!	[02:42]
hanbot:	for some definiton of found, ofc!	[02:42]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[02:43]
diana_coman:	lol	[02:43]
mircea_popescu:	this non-oc craft kinda sux ;/	[02:44]
alikim:	diana_coman: if I give you grass, will you be able to craft cfts for me?	[02:44]
diana_coman:	yes alikim but large quantities (>=3000 grass)	[02:49]
alikim:	ah, ok	[02:54]
alikim:	diana_coman: do you still have any of those q32 cfts?	[02:55]
diana_coman:	yay, 2k of grass from an ord	[03:02]
diana_coman:	will check alikim	[03:02]
mircea_popescu:	o nice	[03:08]
diana_coman:	yeah, and 100 grass from the 2nd ord, lol	[03:19]
danielpbarron:	alikim, ya i got your threads, whenever we're on together, which isn't this moment	[08:17]
danielpbarron:	mircea_popescu, i'll see if i can make some for you or else i can sell some blueprints; they use misshaped ampuoles btw	[08:18]
danielpbarron:	alikim, items ~you~ put in a trade window count as still being in ~your~ inventory	[08:21]
danielpbarron:	alikim, i will also craft threads or anything else for you; see my shop page under 'services' for pricing	[08:24]
alikim:	danielpbarron: are you here, I can buy now?	[09:55]
alikim:	<danielpbarron> alikim, items ~you~ put in a trade window count as still being in ~your~ inventory << yeah this is confusing because visually they move there, they should leave a greyed out copy in inventory or something (which I will maybe program one day). Besides, if you "move" one stack to trade window and then try to pick up another from the ground, again, it won't visually move but you are bound to mix them, there is no way to undo a	[10:01]
diana_coman:	heh, when visuals are not fully reliable, who knew	[10:06]
diana_coman:	but yeah, a grayed out copy is not a bad idea	[10:07]
alikim:	it's interesting how the server queues the mixing of two batches, it cannot mix them right away because it undestands that one batch is being locked in trading, but once you remove the lock, it mixes them u	[10:09]
alikim:	would also be much better if it didn't do that	[10:11]
alikim:	ofc the most godly solution to all these dozens of problems is just to make quality a float	[10:14]
mircea_popescu:	no lock, it just doesn't bother to update you.	[10:21]
mircea_popescu:	i could see the count of the stack in window grew.	[10:21]
mircea_popescu:	quality ain't a float ; and these aren't problems. you'll get used to idea of rounding, and more generally to the idea that you have no rights, "human" or otherwise, and find yourself entirely at the mercy of an imperial, unfixable reality.	[10:21]
mircea_popescu:	it's a philosophical, not a software problem.	[10:22]
diana_coman:	eh, even float does not offer infinite precision so there's still some loss (which is not even visually clear!!1)	[10:22]
alikim:	<mircea_popescu> i could see the count of the stack in window grew. << if you repeat steps I described you inventory window will be empty, you can't see anything grow	[10:24]
alikim:	<diana_coman> eh, even float does not offer infinite precision so there's still some loss (which is not even visually clear!!) << I'd be happy with 10^-8 loss or in case of double 10^-16	[10:25]
mircea_popescu:	not inventory window, trade window	[10:26]
mircea_popescu:	you went to 184 or something	[10:26]
alikim:	when you have to write a few paragraphs of text to explain how to put two items into a trade window, well, that's something you won't see in any other video game	[10:31]
mircea_popescu:	mixable qualities aren't common.	[10:35]
danielpbarron:	yeah i was gonna say; this hasn't even been an issue till now	[10:52]
danielpbarron:	i've been mixing my stuff like so: things that are in the same hundreds (xx, 1xx, 2xx, ..) get mixed together	[10:54]
danielpbarron:	but i'm considering switching to 50-150, 150-250, … so that they tend towards an even multiple of 100. thoughts anyone?	[10:55]
alikim:	danielpbarron: can you trade me now?	[11:00]
danielpbarron:	no, maybe in half hour	[11:05]
alikim:	ok let me know when you are ready	[11:06]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron i been doing something very similar, mixing stuff under 150 and not mixing stuff above	[11:11]
danielpbarron:	alikim, i'm in town	[11:40]
alikim:	Im rdy	[11:41]
danielpbarron:	alikim, how many was it?	[11:42]
alikim:	420 cft q114, 256 * 420 = 107 520	[11:42]
danielpbarron:	ty	[11:43]
alikim:	ty	[11:43]
danielpbarron:	mircea_popescu, can i get those bits?	[11:54]
mircea_popescu:	sure. trade me in 2 mins	[11:55]
mircea_popescu:	at your leisure danielpbarron	[11:57]
mircea_popescu:	cheers	[11:57]
danielpbarron:	ty	[11:57]
alikim:	is anyone interested in buying tp feelings q80-90?	[12:03]
danielpbarron:	i have so many feelings	[12:15]
danielpbarron:	my first guess on how many threads to use in a small to match the quality on these new bits was spot on	[12:16]
danielpbarron:	found 3 quality 250+ shrooms so far on my first tool; hope it keeps going this way	[12:19]
danielpbarron:	err, 233 quality	[12:20]
mircea_popescu:	nice	[12:25]
mircea_popescu:	alikim got your tradegoods together ?	[12:25]
danielpbarron:	4000 (used tool) + 10000 (shrooms) + 20000 (other stuff) – 44000 (tools threads and bits) = -10000	[12:29]
alikim:	mircea_popescu: I still have that wpl, now all in one stack nothing else	[12:30]
mircea_popescu:	aite.	[12:32]
alikim:	maybe I'll find something I could profit and sell in a few days	[12:32]
diana_coman:	alikim> <diana_coman> eh, even float does not offer infinite precision so there's still some loss (which is not even visually clear!!) << I'd be happy with 10^-8 loss or in case of double 10^-16 <- just that YOU are not somehow measure of everything, you know; and no, I don't actually HAVE to explain anything really;	[12:49]
alikim:	<diana_coman> alikim> <diana_coman> eh, even float does not offerinfinite precision so there's still some loss (which is not even visually clear!!) << I'dbe happy with 10^-8 loss or in case of double 10^-16 <- just that YOU are notsomehow measure of everything, you know; and no, I don't actually HAVE to explain anything really; << where did I say I am? I said "I'd be happy with…" != I'm the measure of everything	[12:54]
alikim:	You have to explain how to trade to new players, if you want them to stay and play, at least to your apprentices or w/e you call them	[12:54]
mircea_popescu:	other than "put things in window and check the copper offered" ?	[13:15]
alikim:	we already discussed the whole procedure of placing two batches of diff q items in a trade window, I don't think "put things in window and check the copper offered" will ever be enough to make it through, but I'm not gonna discuss it again	[13:19]
mircea_popescu:	this notion of trading batches of different qualities is outright silly.	[13:21]
mircea_popescu:	i get it, you don't like mixing things. so keep them unmixed and make them full stacks ; or don't.	[13:21]
Birdman:	diana_coman can i grtab those tools	[16:19]
mircea_popescu:	consumer culture, gotta love it. yes, people who know how to play, eulora, or life, or anything else, ~MAY~, if they fucking feel like it that day, explain, to whatever select subsection of new people, whatever they feel like. or not.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu:	absolutely no obligation issues from this ; the "human rights" of the unknowing are to go fuck themselves, that's it and that's all. really.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu:	since when the fuck is the higher at the disposition of the lower ? abomination of abominations already.	[17:41]
Birdman:	has everyone done their house cleaning with your new shop prices mircea_popescu ? im thinking of going through some more myself.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu:	o ya, bought many million's worth.	[18:09]
Birdman:	But what is the secret? why pay so much \% over bv for things qi	[18:13]
Birdman:	I was really comfortable selling most of that considering i wont ever be a big crafter, though i kept some stocks because wtf, 500\% out of the blue on any bps?	[18:15]
Birdman:	Also, your shop quotes some things at "x\% their base value" and other things "x\% of their quality-adjusted base value"	[18:17]
mircea_popescu:	it's pretty much qabv throughout.	[18:17]
Birdman:	did i screw myself selling you bps at quality adjusted bv? lol	[18:17]
mircea_popescu:	no ?	[18:19]
Birdman:	was just wondering	[18:29]
Birdman:	diana_coman ever come up with a price on those maculture?	[18:50]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 270 SA d 15048, opening 14mn. eta 17:00	[23:38]
mircea_popescu:	meh i fucked up teh calc.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 270 SA d 15048, opening 10mn. eta 17:00	[23:41]
mircea_popescu:	~250\%	[23:41]

alikim:	danielpbarron: I'd like to buy 420 cft q114, 256 * 420 = 107 520	[03:45]
diana_coman:	hi Framedragger	[08:43]
Framedragger:	hello!	[08:44]
Framedragger:	i've been sorta following eulora news but for now consider me a 100\% lurker; i may attempt to play some time later :)	[08:44]
diana_coman:	heh, no worries; you might still want to get yourself an account anyway	[08:45]
alikim:	mircea_popescu: do you have any cft for sale?	[10:25]
mircea_popescu:	you're not following the logs, are you.	[11:19]
alikim:	I am why?	[11:19]
mircea_popescu:	http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-20.log.html#t17:29:16 etc.	[11:19]
lobbesbot:	Title: #Eulora log for Friday, 2016-05-20 (at logs.minigame.bz)	[11:19]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 1 stack lbn, q 339, 2mn heard diana_coman eta 17:00 ART	[11:20]
mircea_popescu:	bout 5 hours left.	[11:20]
alikim:	maybe you already got "moar grass", I wouldn't know	[11:20]
mircea_popescu:	yeah, doesn't seem too likely atm.	[11:21]
alikim:	ok, danielpbarron is not here, there is nothing I can do without cfts…	[11:24]
mircea_popescu:	well, "nothing"	[11:24]
mircea_popescu:	there's always something.	[11:24]
diana_coman:	alikim, I might be able to help you, what q are you after?	[11:24]
alikim:	I guess 100 and above	[11:26]
alikim:	although if you have lower I'll buy as well for tests	[11:27]
diana_coman:	I should have some ~32q let me see	[11:27]
diana_coman:	q4, q32; only 104 threads at q109	[11:29]
diana_coman:	alikim, ^	[11:29]
alikim:	ok I'll buy all	[11:30]
diana_coman:	all of the 104q I gather, ok	[11:30]
diana_coman:	109q, ugh	[11:30]
alikim:	in this game you never know before you test, q32 could be a motherload	[11:31]
diana_coman:	well, you can test, why not; more generically the point is that you experiment until you figure out the underlying mechanisms	[11:31]
diana_coman:	anyway, trade	[11:32]
alikim:	how much?	[11:32]
alikim:	do you have many q32?	[11:33]
diana_coman:	alikim, 1041801.09*1.35	[11:33]
diana_coman:	27.5k	[11:33]
alikim:	thanks!	[11:34]
diana_coman:	some 6k at 32q alikim	[11:34]
diana_coman:	yw	[11:34]
alikim:	ok I'll buy a few of those too then	[11:34]
diana_coman:	well, how many is a few, lol	[11:35]
alikim:	3001800.32*1.35=23328	[11:36]
diana_coman:	ok, 1 min	[11:38]
diana_coman:	gl	[11:39]
alikim:	thank you!	[11:39]
alikim:	yeah, happy botting	[11:40]
mircea_popescu:	lol Framedragger lots to read eh.	[11:42]
Framedragger:	yeah tell me about it ….	[12:03]
Birdman:	i need cft pretty bad as well	[12:35]
Birdman:	been manually locking smalls every few hours	[12:36]
diana_coman:	Birdman, q4 and q32 available; other than that, I'll gladly buy your grass and sell you back the resulting cft	[12:36]
Birdman:	have no grass	[12:36]
diana_coman:	so go get	[12:36]
Birdman:	have low quality maculature?	[12:36]
diana_coman:	will check	[12:37]
Birdman:	cause i can shred alot of low q bits and wouldnt mind setting it on grass	[12:37]
Birdman:	but not wasting my heaps of high quality maculture	[12:38]
diana_coman:	lol, not that badly wanting cft then I guess	[12:38]
Birdman:	less you people want to pay 200\% on my grass at q200	[12:39]
diana_coman:	I think daniel also sells cft though	[12:39]
diana_coman:	lol, nope	[12:39]
Birdman:	exactly	[12:39]
alikim:	diana_coman: you have about 6k q32 available, right?	[12:39]
diana_coman:	yes alikim	[12:40]
Birdman:	danielpbarron i'll buy out your stock of cft	[12:42]
mircea_popescu:	grass q 200 would prolly produce q 250ish cft in my hands. taking the grass 60 * 3 * 2.00 * 2 = 720 and the bps 11 * 2 * 18 = 396 and adding a 10\% profit 0.1 * 180 * 2.5 = 45 it comes out that the cost for a 450 ECu cft is 1161 or 258\%	[12:47]
mircea_popescu:	you paying that for cft q 250 Birdman ?	[12:47]
Birdman:	nah why would i?	[12:48]
mircea_popescu:	so then …	[12:48]
mircea_popescu:	meanwhile the same calculation with grass at 115 comes to… 190\% per cft.	[12:49]
Birdman:	would you burn maculture with q87 bps making q89 bits and tons of crappy numina, after paying well over 200\% on all parts included, or burn your q450 bits on grass that goes for 115\%, where you burned bps to get these?	[12:50]
mircea_popescu:	well yeah, but the problem is burning bps for bits is, i'm pretty sure, a rather lossy proposition	[12:50]
Birdman:	its a good idea for down the road, whenever some high quality SI get looted	[12:51]
mircea_popescu:	i mean you know, irl you could also make soap by burning your mother in lye, but it's unlikely the soap would sell for what she cost.	[12:51]
Birdman:	right, i guess. so the point being im not gettin grass anytime soon without low quality, cheap maculture	[12:52]
alikim:	diana_coman: I'll buy 1k for 77760	[12:52]
alikim:	1800.321.35*1000	[12:55]
Birdman:	danielpbarron hanbot what is the base value on some grotesque tokens and what are you selling them for	[13:07]
diana_coman:	Birdman, you know it's your problem through and through, not as if someone is asking you to go get grass; it's you asking for cft and people offer you the options to which you say "not unless you do x and y"…	[13:09]
Birdman:	i dont see any difference	[13:09]
Birdman:	i wasnt trying to be snarky	[13:09]
diana_coman:	alikim, ok, in 2 min	[13:09]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman i'll buy at 135\% also!	[13:10]
diana_coman:	the low q mircea_popescu ?	[13:10]
mircea_popescu:	sure.	[13:10]
diana_coman:	lol, ok	[13:10]
mircea_popescu:	i can rectify it if i make bottles or w/e	[13:10]
diana_coman:	poor noobs	[13:10]
alikim:	oh boy	[13:10]
alikim:	I'll buy 2k then, tomorrow nothing will be left	[13:11]
mircea_popescu:	well buy w/e you're buying an' ill buy teh rest.	[13:11]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, do you want the q4?	[13:12]
diana_coman:	alikim, trade me	[13:12]
alikim:	omw	[13:12]
mircea_popescu:	sure.	[13:12]
diana_coman:	uhm, alikim 2k cft, not 1k	[13:13]
diana_coman:	cool, enjoy	[13:13]
alikim:	thanks!	[13:14]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, mind leaving it for a bit later (~2.5 hours)?	[13:14]
diana_coman:	it's set aside for you, won't vanish	[13:14]
mircea_popescu:	no rush	[13:15]
alikim:	<diana_coman> uhm, alikim 2k cft, not 1k << yeah, I know, just typed 77760 twice, too lazy to calculate ;)	[13:16]
alikim:	why suddenly cfts are so in demand? the last game update?	[13:17]
danielpbarron:	mircea_popescu, 2.1 mn the bits	[13:17]
Birdman:	maybe, im getting more smalls than ever	[13:17]
danielpbarron:	alikim, i'm afk but i'll sell you threads when i get back	[13:17]
Birdman:	and probably because since the quality changing update we've all been doing other things than getting grass	[13:18]
danielpbarron:	Birdman, i can also sell you threads; is 5k too many?	[13:18]
alikim:	danielpbarron: maybe tomorrow then it's 3am and I'm done for today	[13:18]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 1 stack lbn, q 339, 2.1mn heard danielpbarron eta 17:00 ART	[13:18]
Birdman:	danielpbarron i want to buy them all per shop price	[13:18]
Birdman:	unless you have an obscene amount	[13:18]
danielpbarron:	all is 5k right now	[13:19]
mircea_popescu:	alikim possibly cuz i said i've no more / lots sold recently / high demand from miners for the past months	[13:19]
Birdman:	works	[13:19]
mircea_popescu:	i personally wiped two stacks the past week. that's a shitton of grass, which had been accumulating, but mostly last year	[13:20]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, maybe danielpbarron finally digs up his sizable ? :D	[13:20]
alikim:	danielpbarron: if you can set aside 420 I asked for before Birdman pecks them all, it'd be nice, I'll buy tomorrow	[13:20]
Birdman:	^ hah good point, electron has sizeable bundles	[13:21]
mircea_popescu:	with any luck it's a billion or so grass and we're set.	[13:21]
Birdman:	q200+ enumeration too iirc	[13:22]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, i guess i'ma going to update my shop.	[13:22]
Birdman:	that guy has the best leaving messages	[13:26]
mircea_popescu:	http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ << major changes.	[13:48]
lobbesbot:	Title: Eulora Shop on Trilema – A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com)	[13:48]
Birdman:	all blueprints even really low q mircea_popescu ?	[14:02]
mircea_popescu:	yeah.	[14:02]
Birdman:	sweet	[14:02]
Birdman:	not payin more than 30\% for wwb huh??	[14:04]
mircea_popescu:	hm ?	[14:04]
Birdman:	thats what you told me a day or two ago lol	[14:04]
Birdman:	now its 180\%	[14:04]
danielpbarron:	that was zen; this is tao.	[14:07]
mircea_popescu:	:d	[14:10]
Birdman:	heh, imma make bit over 100k selling you back these ngc	[14:21]
Birdman:	oh nevermind no im not	[14:21]
mircea_popescu:	hahaha	[14:21]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, his worship danielpbarron understands the things!	[14:22]
diana_coman:	AUCTION: 30 ICH 49812 durability, 3.8mn heard Birdman ; eta 8pm gmt 21 May 2016 <- ~1hour left	[14:46]
diana_coman:	and lol re 0.05 increase accepted now on bids	[14:48]
diana_coman:	will leave it at that then	[14:48]
mircea_popescu:	5\% what !	[14:50]
mircea_popescu:	anyway ima bbls!	[14:50]
diana_coman:	want your q4 thread?	[14:50]
mircea_popescu:	aite	[14:50]
mircea_popescu:	what's tyhe damage ?	[14:50]
diana_coman:	neah, 1800.041.35*1000 = 9700	[14:51]
mircea_popescu:	was i getting tons moar or was the whole thing 1k ?	[14:51]
diana_coman:	I did not have tons moar of q4, no	[14:51]
diana_coman:	there is still the q32 though, if you can wait 2 min	[14:52]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, trade?	[14:53]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron, I'll buy 20 waters of anamnesia please	[14:56]
diana_coman:	Birdman, lowest q maculature I have is 73q, 54 of them	[14:57]
Birdman:	684 ACG q9; 1084 bhp q6; 1678 bhp q11; 5 bfc q37; 426 bbbr q9; 78 bbbr q5; 132 bn&gr q9; 445 bedroll q6; 320 bedroll q13; 97 cfth q31; 4 cs q12; 203 cc q21; 2634 craft table q29; 272 harness q34; 4 ddl q37; 331 ecv q39; 5 gst q48; 59 gst q6; 323 io q37; 9900 ibs q37; 5 cheese q36; 343 pigment q11, 85 q139, 35 q222, 136 q129; 175 screwdriver q9, 121 q16; 4 eggnog q258, 20 q27, 38 q140; 48 omlette q12; 26 clogs	[15:13]
Birdman:	q13; 2083 hauberk q7; 34 rockpile q16; 1874 srs q52; 1657 mockasillies q6; 8940 flatbreak q5; 1 tuber milk q37; 209 tuber tea q10; 224 tincture q9 base value according to eulorum and the 10\% rule on bps is 1531	[15:13]
Birdman:	and definitely have another two stacks of srs q156 but hesitant to sell any shredding bps	[15:13]
Birdman:	mircea_popescu ^ for whenever you get back	[15:13]
Birdman:	diana_coman what did you want for them	[15:13]
Birdman:	danielpbarron you around for those threads	[15:14]
diana_coman:	8940 flatbreak <- ahahahahh	[15:14]
Birdman:	heh whats so funny about that	[15:15]
Birdman:	also, i found two ords today i guess!	[15:15]
Birdman:	barehanding	[15:15]
diana_coman:	flatbreaD Birdman , not break, but sounded funny for a break to be …flat	[15:23]
Birdman:	ahh	[15:25]
Birdman:	think a locked tiny will stay for a day?	[15:25]
diana_coman:	no idea	[15:29]
Birdman:	well lets hope so!	[15:33]
Birdman:	i think things tend to not disappear while people are around it	[15:33]
Birdman:	not sure about claims, but i feel they disappear quicker after being used	[15:33]
Birdman:	diana_coman how much for those maculture?	[15:44]
diana_coman:	claims should NOT vanish while they are GUARDED	[15:45]
diana_coman:	let me know if they do	[15:45]
diana_coman:	will have to figure out the price on the maculature	[15:45]
Birdman:	ah thats why i see my claims sticking around while im near em	[15:45]
danielpbarron:	diana_coman> danielpbarron, I'll buy 20 waters of anamnesia please << ok 20 comin' up!	[15:47]
danielpbarron:	ready for pickup in town at your convenience	[15:47]
diana_coman:	omw	[15:47]
danielpbarron:	Birdman> danielpbarron you around for those threads << yes	[15:49]
Birdman:	are you going to that ss spot after danielpbarron ?	[15:49]
Birdman:	im near there gathering if you can come meet	[15:49]
diana_coman:	in town danielpbarron	[15:49]
danielpbarron:	20*50000 = 1000000	[15:50]
diana_coman:	thanks!	[15:50]
danielpbarron:	ty	[15:50]
danielpbarron:	Birdman, i don't see you	[15:52]
Birdman:	at tlc be right there	[15:52]
diana_coman:	ha, 399q bundle, quite curious how it goes	[15:53]
danielpbarron:	on a toil diana_coman ?	[15:53]
diana_coman:	yes	[15:53]
Birdman:	im there i think danielpbarron	[15:53]
diana_coman:	although 21 sentiments is pitifully small amount compared to the 99 taken by cons	[15:54]
Birdman:	ty	[15:56]
danielpbarron:	ty	[15:56]
danielpbarron:	that's like 56k in base value diana_coman	[15:59]
diana_coman:	myeah	[16:00]
danielpbarron:	i bet they'd sell for 2x though	[16:01]
diana_coman:	AUCTION: 30 ICH 49812 durability, 3.8mn heard Birdman <- sold	[16:35]
diana_coman:	<danielpbarron> i bet they'd sell for 2x though <- well, given that I paid 50k for 1 woa and then there were 999 high q feelings going in AND the toil bps which are hard to even evaluate properly, it's unclear	[16:38]
diana_coman:	I mean: it's not that clear whether 2x is any good even	[16:38]
Birdman:	awesome thanks, hold them for awhile?	[16:38]
diana_coman:	well, until tomorrow, so some 24 hours	[16:38]
Birdman:	kk	[16:39]
Birdman:	not sure what i want to use em on, probably bbb	[17:00]
Birdman:	might want to dump my bb for 180\% too	[17:01]
mircea_popescu:	Birdman alright.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 1 stack lbn, q 339, 2.1mn heard danielpbarron eta 17:00 ART << sold!	[22:15]
mircea_popescu:	so diana_coman 50k for a water + 1k feelings + say another 20k for the bp or so -> 21 sentiments	[22:17]
mircea_popescu:	thus therefore whatever the mark-up for sentiments is, there's an extra ~4k or 40\% for sentiments ?	[22:18]
mircea_popescu:	ie, for 120\% feelings, sentiments should be 160\% ?	[22:18]
mircea_popescu:	or no wait, sentiments are 1k each not 10k each. 400\%. jesus rly ?	[22:18]
Birdman:	mircea_popescu you around to get them now?	[22:27]
mircea_popescu:	aha	[22:27]
Birdman:	tee hee?	[22:29]
mircea_popescu:	hm ?	[22:29]
Birdman:	idk lol, you want them bps?	[22:30]
mircea_popescu:	yes ?	[22:30]
Birdman:	kk let me take em out of the claims quick	[22:30]
mircea_popescu:	i ain't goin' anywhere.	[22:31]
mircea_popescu:	hmmm weird, you're invisible ?	[22:31]
mircea_popescu:	i just see the bags popping	[22:32]
mircea_popescu:	a there you are	[22:32]
mircea_popescu:	under my samovar window lol	[22:32]
Birdman:	mircea_popescu watch out as some will mix	[22:34]
mircea_popescu:	ic	[22:34]
Birdman:	the screwdrivers, pigments, eggnogs, bedrolls and some others	[22:34]
Birdman:	pick up at your leisure	[22:37]
mircea_popescu:	oh it's like that huh.	[22:37]
mircea_popescu:	hey, nice pick, you placed them so like 20\% are out of my reach.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu:	how'd that work!	[22:38]
Birdman:	ahh sorry! ill bring them closer	[22:38]
mircea_popescu:	lemme piuck ujo what i can first	[22:39]
mircea_popescu:	aaaaaaa	[22:39]
Birdman:	guess trading load by load woulda worked best	[22:39]
mircea_popescu:	ok now	[22:40]
hanbot:	hey btw mircea_popescu i'd like to sell some itams on yer new shop prices too, here's the wagonload:	[22:40]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[22:40]
mircea_popescu:	check it out, economy is moving nao!	[22:40]
hanbot:	6587 q70 sm (6587157.71.8 = 1303040), 807 ss q56 (807k + 8071165.562 = 1859973), 520 dm q119 ¹(5029408), 433 dm q56 ²(3116976), 260 spent regular tools (260 * 4000=1040000), 77 st q123 ³(2119716), 1116 sb q338 (1116583.381.5=328171), 2963 sb q189 (2983581.891.5=490494) total = 15287778	[22:40]
mircea_popescu:	whoa check that out!	[22:41]
mircea_popescu:	you're on hanbot. trade me.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu:	Birdman yo.	[22:41]
hanbot:	kk	[22:41]
mircea_popescu:	hanbot carerful not to mix dm etc ; do 2 trades	[22:42]
mircea_popescu:	trade Birdman	[22:43]
Birdman:	mircea_popescu they're there	[22:43]
Birdman:	i've no change, accept and 1 sec?	[22:44]
Birdman:	mircea_popescu that * 5	[22:44]
Birdman:	for the 500\%	[22:44]
mircea_popescu:	you'll gotta do teh pricing better eh.	[22:45]
Birdman:	whatcha mean?	[22:45]
hanbot:	mircea_popescu yeah, won't be a-mixin'	[22:46]
Birdman:	thank you!	[22:46]
mircea_popescu:	i mean when you quote a price, you quote a price. you don't ever end up in the situation where you have to spring a "that x y" in the middle of a trade.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu:	trade hanbot	[22:46]
mircea_popescu:	wow nice high q branches too.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu:	shall make some cs i guess.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu:	yee	[22:52]
hanbot:	splendid, thanks!	[22:52]
Birdman:	sorry bout that	[23:00]

alikim:	danielpbarron: [10:27.52] <danielpbarron> alikim, yes << what for?	[02:35]
alikim:	danielpbarron: I'll buy 420 cft q114, 256 * 420 = 107520	[03:04]
danielpbarron:	alikim, ok	[07:04]
danielpbarron:	and to answer your question: considerations that loot blueprints	[07:05]
alikim:	danielpbarron: can you trade now?	[07:07]
danielpbarron:	in a few mins ya	[07:14]
alikim:	ok i'll be in town in 10 mins	[07:15]
danielpbarron:	alikim, coming or what?	[07:31]
alikim:	yes	[07:31]
danielpbarron:	ty	[07:32]
alikim:	ty	[07:32]
danielpbarron:	heh where did you get 45k of the lowest denomination	[07:33]
alikim:	on a street	[07:34]
alikim:	<danielpbarron> and to answer your question: considerations that loot blueprint << what are their names?	[07:34]
diana_coman:	alikim, they are Neophyte/Apprentice Tinkerer/Bouq/Lapidary/etc Consideration; in the cookbook you can see one under Maculature I, since it's maculature that they produce despite their fancy names	[10:06]
alikim:	thanks! I'm basically looking for a way to use those feelings since they dro from cft crafting	[10:08]
diana_coman:	yeah, well it's a pain to use them really; the considerations take a lot of rare/not-really-readily-available stuff + there aren't any more considerations on the market at this time it would seem (mp has the bps to loot considerations)	[10:10]
diana_coman:	feelings go into neophyte tinkerer considerations	[10:10]
alikim:	pity	[10:12]
alikim:	and what drops cft bps?	[10:13]
diana_coman:	pretty much that, but you'd need to overcraft the hell out of it hence you'd want high q feelings rather	[10:13]
diana_coman:	that's the rub	[10:13]
diana_coman:	low q feelings would be fine to transform into sentiments up the line, but only if woa and the rest would not cost so much	[10:14]
diana_coman:	yeah, confirmed: I got cft bps out of a neophyte tink cons	[10:14]
alikim:	I see, ok then	[10:15]
alikim:	mircea: are you here?	[10:18]
mircea_popescu:	so i am.	[10:20]
mircea_popescu:	you know if you use my actual nick this thing highlights	[10:21]
mircea_popescu:	like so : alikim	[10:21]
alikim:	I'd like to buy those cfts and sell 500k of beans and then buy 700 cft q 158 for 298620	[10:24]
mircea_popescu:	lemme see wht i got.	[10:24]
alikim:	if you have less than 700 I'll buy as much as you have	[10:24]
mircea_popescu:	i got 343	[10:25]
mircea_popescu:	and yeah it's ok to pay in beans or w/e	[10:25]
diana_coman:	the bean market	[10:25]
mircea_popescu:	also it'd be a good idea if some of you sold me some grass eventually or else no more cft.	[10:25]
diana_coman:	sounds good as a coin actually: the golden bean	[10:25]
diana_coman:	the rotten bean	[10:25]
mircea_popescu:	this is literally myu last supply.	[10:26]
alikim:	I'll sell you grass if my tests are successfull, no point to buy cfts to get grass, sell it and run out of money	[10:26]
alikim:	so far I havent found a way to profit on grass	[10:27]
mircea_popescu:	trade me at your leisure	[10:28]
alikim:	I want to sell beans first 1953 * 100 * 130 = 500k	[10:30]
mircea_popescu:	aite. and 343 * 180 * 1.58 * 1.5 = 146323.8 so 354k net	[10:31]
alikim:	kk	[10:32]
mircea_popescu:	fancy that i got small change :)	[10:33]
alikim:	thanks!	[10:33]
mircea_popescu:	enjoy.	[10:33]
Birdman:	a small rr enum has a higher bv than a small tlc ^_^	[13:46]
Birdman:	<diana_coman>yeah, well it's a pain to use them really; the considerations take a lot of rare/not-really-readily-available stuff + there aren't any more considerations on the market at this time it would seem (mp has the bps to loot considerations) << plus they're really hit and miss am i right? where are those master considerations	[13:53]
Birdman:	also, the loot messages are ambiguos now, "you've got loot"	[13:55]
Birdman:	i like that, maybe i'll find some more crazy stuff building smalls	[13:55]
mircea_popescu:	trying to slowly get rid of all that chat spam.	[13:58]
mircea_popescu:	one message should be enough.	[13:58]
mircea_popescu:	next, the skill gain messages will reduce to one per type.	[13:58]
Birdman:	nice	[14:01]
hanbot:	is enjoying yesterday's update, inasmuch as it shows thus far :)	[16:05]
diana_coman:	heh	[16:17]
diana_coman:	oh hi wyrdmantis how's it going?	[16:17]
wyrdmantis:	hi diana_coman	[16:22]
wyrdmantis:	not dead (yet)	[16:22]
wyrdmantis:	a lot of jobs these months, and a new city	[16:23]
diana_coman:	what city is that?	[16:23]
wyrdmantis:	Firenze	[16:23]
wyrdmantis:	Florence	[16:23]
diana_coman:	lived for a few years in Italy albeit where it's almost Austria	[16:23]
diana_coman:	do eat some fiorentina for me	[16:23]
diana_coman:	a lot changed in eulora too although same village otherwise	[16:24]
diana_coman:	what's your job wyrdmantis ?	[16:27]
wyrdmantis:	i'm a noob programmer	[16:28]
diana_coman:	quite a good thing to be in eulora too really	[16:29]
wyrdmantis:	yes, i wish i had more time tough…	[16:32]
wyrdmantis:	but i'll be around	[16:33]
diana_coman:	well, bot is still there, can still be left on its own really	[16:36]
diana_coman:	I might even have some click-job for you to do if you want; would be some click once and leave it on for about 2 hours sort of thing	[16:36]
wyrdmantis:	yes, but you will then have wait till tomorrow evening diana_coman	[16:40]
wyrdmantis:	to*	[16:40]
diana_coman:	no rush with anything really; it's not a take-it-now-or-never thing either	[16:42]
diana_coman:	take your time , get back in game and figure out what changed and what's what	[16:43]
mircea_popescu:	florence's prolly one of the better joints in italy…	[17:06]
Birdman:	has anyone looted basic tool bps yet?	[22:25]
mircea_popescu:	not afaik	[22:27]
Birdman:	innteresting	[22:27]
Birdman:	so i doubt anyone has a bunch for sale then too	[22:27]
Birdman:	no cs bps looted yet either?	[22:27]
mircea_popescu:	not afaik.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu:	ttp://www.mugurfrunzetti.ro	[22:29]
mircea_popescu:	oops.	[22:29]
Birdman:	then ill have to wait	[22:36]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman won a bunch of imp bps, i guess she might be selling some	[22:37]
mircea_popescu:	im also working on an io batch, so should be some tools off that eventually	[22:37]
Birdman:	awesome	[22:40]
mircea_popescu:	be a while though. first gotta finish this gin	[22:43]
mircea_popescu:	but… i got materials for about 4k or so io.	[22:44]
Birdman:	not bad	[22:48]

Birdman:	sounds good diana_coman	[03:06]
Birdman:	so strange, cant select this tiny tlc claim	[03:07]
Birdman:	wanted to see who made it	[03:07]
zakorus123:	good morning	[03:58]
zakorus123:	internet stable finally	[03:58]
zakorus123:	took for effing ever	[03:58]
zakorus123:	they stopped laying fiber about an hour ago and sealed it up	[03:59]
zakorus123:	got the notification cus i asked them to tell me when they were done	[03:59]
zakorus123:	guess no one is on. be back in a few hours maybe	[04:05]
alikim:	how much is a cft bp ~q200 ?	[09:16]
diana_coman:	eh alikim not sure anyone has that for sale even	[09:19]
alikim:	what is a regular q?	[09:26]
alikim:	I have a few q202, I though they are pretty common	[09:30]
alikim:	q100 then?	[09:31]
alikim:	also, what about cft itself, can I get q150 or q200?	[09:35]
diana_coman:	alikim, I have cft bps at about 150q, but I'd consider selling a few for a markup of 300\% at the moment ; might become better if I get to do more cons clicks/get more bps	[10:53]
diana_coman:	as to cft that should be easier to get; if it's small quantity I might be able to help you out and sell some at 140\%, but otherwise I am more of a consumer of cft than a seller of it; maybe mirce or somebody else sells it	[10:53]
alikim:	markup to base value? how do you calculate that?	[10:57]
diana_coman:	bvqualitymarkup/100 so for cft 150q with a markup of 200\% it would be 1801.52	[10:59]
diana_coman:	bv * quality/100 is qabv (quality-adjusted base value) and usually markup is applied to that	[10:59]
danielpbarron:	alikim, http://danielpbarron.com/eulora-shop/	[10:59]
diana_coman:	there, daniel sells those bps cheaper	[11:00]
alikim:	what is cft bp bv?	[11:11]
alikim:	or is it the same as cft bv?	[11:13]
danielpbarron:	18	[11:13]
alikim:	danielpbarron: can I buy 14 of cftbp q159?	[11:20]
alikim:	45 * 14 = 630	[11:23]
alikim:	diana_coman: can I buy 14 cft q150 mu 140\%, 378 * 14 = 5292 ?	[11:25]
Birdman:	divide that by ten alikim	[11:26]
Birdman:	oh nevermind	[11:26]
Birdman:	i'd also buy some of that cft	[11:26]
diana_coman:	alikim, is 144q cft fine? 141801.44*1.4 = 5080	[11:30]
diana_coman:	Birdman, are you selling any grass at 115\%?	[11:30]
diana_coman:	if that's fine alikim just trade foxy whenever	[11:31]
alikim:	omw	[11:31]
diana_coman:	enjoy	[11:32]
alikim:	thanks!	[11:32]
alikim:	server update is in 2 hours?	[11:36]
diana_coman:	4 hours and something to spare	[11:50]
diana_coman:	it's 8pm-9pm gmt	[11:50]
alikim:	oh good thanks	[11:52]
alikim:	danielpbarron: can you trade cftbps?	[11:53]
danielpbarron:	alikim, not that few	[12:00]
Birdman:	<diana_coman>Birdman, are you selling any grass at 115\%? << i wouldnt sell anything for 115\% right now	[12:02]
diana_coman:	so then no cft	[12:02]
Birdman:	i have no grass, though	[12:02]
Birdman:	so thats the price for cft from you is to trade for grass?	[12:02]
diana_coman:	as I said earlier, I'm more of a consumer of cft than a seller of cft, but I am willing to help people out with some cft provided that yes, I don't end up out of cft due to lack of grass basically	[12:03]
Birdman:	cant help you there	[12:03]
diana_coman:	shrugs	[12:15]
alikim:	diana_coman: can I buy 14 cft bps q150 at 300\%, 18 * 150 * 300 * 14 = 1134?	[16:00]
diana_coman:	trade me alikim	[16:02]
alikim:	omw	[16:02]
diana_coman:	they are 153q but it doesn't matter	[16:03]
diana_coman:	good luck with them	[16:03]
alikim:	thanks!	[16:04]
diana_coman:	server back on	[16:25]
mircea_popescu:	there's going to be a brief outage while we polish some edges off the earlier update	[17:31]
mircea_popescu:	sorry for teh inconvenience.	[17:31]
diana_coman:	server back on	[17:35]
alikim:	danielpbarron: what is the minimum amount you work with?	[18:09]
alikim:	WTB cft ~q100 ~mu150\%	[18:14]
mircea_popescu:	alikim i got some iirc 158	[18:18]
alikim:	q158, what's the mu, 150\%?	[18:19]
mircea_popescu:	sure.	[18:20]
alikim:	can I buy 70, 180 * 158 * 150 * 70 / 10000 = 29862	[18:22]
mircea_popescu:	aite.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu:	lemme fish em out	[18:23]
alikim:	kk	[18:23]
mircea_popescu:	oh this will take a while.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu:	listen, gimme like 10 minutes here.	[18:24]
alikim:	sure	[18:24]
alikim:	I need to do some tests, if it works I'll buy more than that	[18:27]
danielpbarron:	alikim> danielpbarron: what is the minimum amount you work with? << 100k	[18:30]
mircea_popescu:	alikim ready now ; sorry for the delay.	[19:00]
alikim:	np omw	[19:01]
alikim:	thanks!	[19:02]
mircea_popescu:	gl!	[19:03]
mircea_popescu:	sooo! a 6k clicks run of ltf produced	[19:13]
mircea_popescu:	530 + 273 + 5601 + 3130 + 822 + 1291 =11647 bottles.	[19:14]
mircea_popescu:	ALMOST DOUBLE	[19:14]
Birdman:	overcrafting the shit out of em?	[19:36]
mircea_popescu:	yeah. ironically – also double.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu:	also got all my ducks lined up – i'll be making your tlc into gin. all 6k of it.	[19:39]
Birdman:	awesome	[19:40]
alikim:	mircea: can I buy 700 cft q 158 for 298620 if you happy to accept beans?	[20:03]
mircea_popescu:	tomorro tho, i'm all tooled up for this craft now.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu:	also i dunno i have that much left, but a few hundred fort sure.	[20:05]
alikim:	ok	[20:07]
alikim:	is there any use for tink petr feelings except tink petr sentiments?	[20:20]
danielpbarron:	alikim, yes	[20:27]
alikim:	is anyone interested in buying small claims?	[20:32]
danielpbarron:	of what?	[20:33]
danielpbarron:	if snakeskin or something similarly rare : yes.	[20:33]
danielpbarron:	i'd buy tinies of that even	[20:33]
alikim:	wwb, wpl, and basics	[20:35]
Birdman:	i'll buy wwb wpl smalls	[20:40]
Birdman:	how are you pricing them?	[20:40]
Birdman:	alikim ^	[20:41]
alikim:	no idea, what's your offer?	[20:43]
Birdman:	well i'd really only want them to try to pump money into my farming level	[20:43]
alikim:	I just don't have cft to build them till mircea finishes what he does, so I might as well sell them	[20:44]
Birdman:	i know the output will suck since you have a low gathering, but if i get the same or decent exp from them i'd pay nice	[20:44]
Birdman:	throw a number	[20:44]
Birdman:	also were they tool made or what, and how many do you have	[20:45]
alikim:	no barehanded	[20:45]
Birdman:	and for future reference, if you supply the claims and ingredients, i'd be more than happy to build any small farming claims free of charge	[20:45]
alikim:	250 coppers each?	[20:46]
Birdman:	would you rather i just build them with your threads?	[20:46]
Birdman:	i think that'd get you the most value	[20:46]
alikim:	[10:44.11] <alikim> I just don't have cft to build them till mircea finishes what he does, so I might as well sell them	[20:47]
Birdman:	oh, duh	[20:47]
Birdman:	then yeah i suppose 250 each is fine	[20:47]
Birdman:	how many do you have?	[20:47]
alikim:	ok, I'll try to set the bot to lock them and then will see how many keys I have	[20:47]
Birdman:	kk	[20:47]

jurov:	ah yes, that makes sense.	[08:24]
alikim:	WTS: BN 333 q13, BN 958 q2, B 813 q16, CDG 160 q13, CR 471 q17, F 194 q15, NT 81 q16, RF 405 q3, SR 139 q14, SB 257 q10, SB 188 q13, WWB 297 q13, TPT 293 q11, PSS 129 q8, SM 239 q14	[09:57]
alikim:	(71 * 333 * 13 + 71 * 958 * 2 + 59 * 813 * 16 + 60 * 160 * 13 + 73 * 471 * 17 + 88 * 194 * 15 + 87 * 81 * 16 + 80 * 405 * 3 + 79 * 139 * 14 + 58 * 257 * 10 + 58 * 188 * 13) * 115 * 0.0001 + (141 * 297 * 13) * 130 * 0.0001 + (159 * 293 * 11) * 130 * 0.0001 + (262 * 129 * 8 + 157 * 239 * 14) * 130 * 0.0001 = 56637	[09:57]
alikim:	mircea: would you like to buy that?	[10:01]
mircea_popescu:	buy what ?	[10:01]
alikim:	I just typed 2 mins ago	[10:02]
alikim:	right before you logged in	[10:02]
mircea_popescu:	lol that works.	[10:02]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, sure.	[10:02]
alikim:	cool, I'll start loading the table then	[10:03]
alikim:	done	[10:15]
mircea_popescu:	so trade me.	[10:16]
alikim:	did you get all from the table?	[10:17]
mircea_popescu:	ah now i did	[10:17]
mircea_popescu:	lessee here	[10:17]
alikim:	kk	[10:17]
mircea_popescu:	enjoy	[10:18]
alikim:	thanks!	[10:18]
mircea_popescu:	speaking of the "computer security" industry, https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=820	[10:26]
mircea_popescu:	the best way to lose a box turns out to be running norton-anything or symantec-anything	[10:27]
jurov:	or name your user "user" anything https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3053711	[10:29]
lobbesbot:	Title: High CPU use by taskhost.exe when Windows 8.1 user name contains "user" (at support.microsoft.com)	[10:29]
mircea_popescu:	heh	[10:51]
Birdman:	diana_coman got some tools to sell?	[14:48]
diana_coman:	not yet Birdman , they take tons of bms hence toolkits and slag hence flotsam etc; getting stuff together, but not there yet, possibly at the end of this week/on the weekend	[15:12]
mircea_popescu:	huge job huh	[17:24]

alikim:	claims higher than small also work on cft or other types of threads?	[02:02]
Wise:	Morning	[02:03]
mircea_popescu:	alikim nah, they get their own bundles ; see diana's site it has the composition listed	[02:06]
Birdman:	no, claims higher than smalls have different ingredients	[02:07]
mircea_popescu:	got your pw Wise ?	[02:07]
alikim:	kk thanks	[02:07]
Wise:	Yes!	[02:12]
mircea_popescu:	good deal.	[02:12]
Wise:	Thank you, trying it out now	[02:12]
mircea_popescu:	come meet me in town ima give you some odds and ends	[02:12]
Wise:	I just spawned ingame	[02:15]
Wise:	Not sure where to go, at some water :)	[02:17]
mircea_popescu:	:)	[02:18]
mircea_popescu:	uphill	[02:18]
Wise:	im inside some portal, at a large ring/fence, up at the hill, was 3 houses here	[02:20]
Birdman:	idk the coords, but if someone gives them to you you can type /pilot x z y and it'll point your guy towards those coords	[02:22]
mircea_popescu:	something like 180 160	[02:22]
Birdman:	Wise type /pilot 180 0 160 and head that way	[02:22]
Birdman:	you should see people on a bill eventually	[02:23]
mircea_popescu:	00 bill	[02:23]
Birdman:	its the hill next to that orb	[02:23]
Birdman:	lol	[02:23]
Wise:	ThereÃ‚Â´s a male Eulorian in front of me named Mirscea Mirscescu	[02:25]
mircea_popescu:	aite, trade me	[02:25]
hanbot:	welcome Wise	[02:25]
Wise:	Thank you!	[02:26]
Birdman:	do you judge he's about as strong as you?	[02:26]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[02:26]
Wise:	However, IÃ‚Â´m not at a town but at a Craft-Table (and only you there)?	[02:26]
mircea_popescu:	aha	[02:27]
Birdman:	for now that is town	[02:27]
mircea_popescu:	accept is tyhe bottom left button	[02:27]
mircea_popescu:	cheers.	[02:27]
Birdman:	mircea_popescu do you have stocks of slag sitting around?	[02:28]
Birdman:	preferably high quality	[02:28]
mircea_popescu:	nah, im going to have to make some	[02:28]
Wise:	thank you for trade!	[02:28]
Birdman:	would you want to trade low q slag bps for high q?	[02:28]
mircea_popescu:	notrly	[02:29]
Birdman:	dont blame you	[02:29]
Birdman:	anyone found a good sr spot?	[02:31]
hanbot:	Birdman i've had not-terrible luck in the same old sr valley behind the crater	[02:32]
Birdman:	cool thanks	[02:32]
Wise:	So may I ask, … I suppose you donÃ‚Â´t go making a game & calling it RealCashEconomy, without having played/got influenced by other RCEÃ‚Â´s (as there have not been to many). How close to the ProjectEntropia/Afterworld.ru is the core game mechanics (like crafting, how money flows etc)?	[02:35]
hanbot:	Wise eulora's a rather lone wolf, especially in terms of its complexity. i won't presume to speak for the designer/devs, but i doubt it's "based" on any other game's mechanics.	[02:37]
mircea_popescu:	Wise you probably should read the section on trilema, lots of detail there.	[02:38]
hanbot:	you might find http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora#Game_Mechanics interesting too.	[02:38]
Wise:	Reading some now :)	[02:38]
mircea_popescu:	http://trilema.com/category/smg/	[02:38]
lobbesbot:	Title: Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org)	[02:38]
lobbesbot:	Title: S.MG on Trilema – A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com)	[02:38]
mircea_popescu:	eulora is a bitcoin derivative. has ~nothing to do with this "rce" thing. i googled it because people coming in chan here kept mentioning it, best i can discern it's a dead spammy keyword	[02:38]
mircea_popescu:	if you look at the site that owns google for it, it's a pretty painful mfa sorta shit.	[02:39]
Wise:	Then you should remove "real cash economy" from top of here	[02:39]
Wise:	http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora#Game_Mechanics	[02:39]
lobbesbot:	Title: Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org)	[02:39]
mircea_popescu:	hey, i have no problem with players describing it in whatever terms they wish	[02:39]
Wise:	The sentence Real Cash Economy was removed from Wikipedia, as they seemd it was a non.existing word.	[02:40]
Wise:	Ok, no problem :)	[02:40]
mircea_popescu:	(eulorum is player-run, i've not much to do with it)	[02:40]
Wise:	ItÃ‚Â´s just that I been looking for RCEÃ‚Â´s since 2005, and not many have turned up ;)	[02:40]
Birdman:	well look no further	[02:40]
Wise:	I do have some small knowledge of bitcoins to, but not much. Tried some mining, tried some exchange, but just about 0 so nothing much.	[02:41]
mircea_popescu:	well, there's a lot to read on / figure out etc. don't rush yourself. 3-4 years' worth of republican history won't fit in an evening.	[02:42]
Wise:	;) I will read up	[02:42]
Wise:	See you in 3-4 years!	[02:42]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[02:42]
mircea_popescu:	anyway. eulora does have a ECu = satoshi equivalency.	[02:43]
Wise:	And itÃ‚Â´s always at a fixed rate trading against bitcoin?	[02:43]
mircea_popescu:	yeah.	[02:43]
Wise:	k	[02:44]
mircea_popescu:	well, there's a specific mechanism enforcing it, it's discussed at length in the reports.	[02:44]
Wise:	I do have some bitcoins in a wallet somewhere to spend (here comes the fish…)	[02:44]
mircea_popescu:	prolly want to talk to jurov then\	[02:44]
diana_coman:	morning	[02:45]
mircea_popescu:	hola.	[02:45]
diana_coman:	welcome Wise	[02:45]
Wise:	IÃ‚Â´ll see if i figure anything out at all first ;)	[02:45]
Wise:	Thank you Diana!	[02:45]
diana_coman:	what did you get as starter items?	[02:45]
Wise:	1 stone adze, 111 bit of nithing, and 27 coarse frangible thread (I think)	[02:46]
diana_coman:	aha, set for a bit of gathering then	[02:46]
Wise:	Got that talking to mircea mirsecu (who iÃ‚Â´m starting to think is a kind of bot and maybe not mircea_popescuÃ‚Â´s live character :) ?	[02:47]
mircea_popescu:	whyssat ?	[02:47]
diana_coman:	the wiki is a good starting point, otherwise ask in here and there might also be jobs for you from people	[02:47]
diana_coman:	ahahaha mircea_popescu but he has a point, no?	[02:47]
Wise:	Oh, just a guess, but I guess I was wrong :)	[02:47]
diana_coman:	foxybot is a bot	[02:47]
Wise:	Just trying to diugre things out ^^	[02:47]
Wise:	figure*	[02:47]
diana_coman:	take it slowly Wise , lots of stuff to figure out	[02:48]
mircea_popescu:	well… i mean… it runs foxybot yeah, but depends what he means by live	[02:48]
hanbot:	well Mircescu is kinda dressed as though he were incapable of basic human decisionmaking…	[02:49]
Wise:	I will try not to ask to much (but that is already to late, I get to exited)	[02:49]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[02:49]
Wise:	:)	[02:49]
diana_coman:	Wise, if you get any coppers, you might want to get yourself some skills so that you don't lose the experience you get while gathering ( /explore) and building claims (getting resources)	[02:49]
Birdman:	yeah good idea to get the skills asap	[02:52]
Birdman:	plus some of the books have been easy to buy lately	[02:52]
Wise:	Hmm, sry for private messaging you. I thought that when your name was in red diana, it was a private msg (but from what I understand and see, also Birdman can read it)?	[02:53]
Birdman:	no i think your client shows a red name when you get a ping	[02:54]
diana_coman:	no Wise	[02:54]
Birdman:	Wise ?	[02:54]
diana_coman:	he can't read it, but it's common knowledge	[02:54]
diana_coman:	lol	[02:54]
Birdman:	o	[02:54]
Wise:	hehe, ok :)	[02:54]
diana_coman:	and yeah, you can talk here no problem	[02:54]
mircea_popescu:	oh incidentally – don't lose your pgp key.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu:	among other things in the future eulora will move to rsa encryption for client/server comms	[02:56]
Wise:	Ok :)	[03:02]
Birdman:	i should probably generate a better key soon	[03:04]
Wise:	afk	[03:05]
Birdman:	is that an irc normality? to announce afk status?	[03:13]
Wise:	IÃ‚Â´m used to it anyway :) Seems rude when I chat so (too) much, and then just go into oblivion	[03:30]
Birdman:	i dont do much irc outside of a few channels	[03:38]
Wise:	I did 15 years ago, but now maybe visit a channel once every year or so :)	[03:42]
Wise:	Hello again!	[03:54]
Wise:	One question. Just rebooted my computer, but still no sound ingame. So… is there any sound in-game, or I can reboot my system in all eternity without getting any sound?	[03:55]
Birdman:	i havent heard any	[03:56]
Birdman:	ever	[03:56]
Birdman:	the game is still pretty beta i guess	[03:57]
Wise:	Ok :)	[03:58]
Wise:	Does it need a sound engineer :) ?	[03:58]
Wise:	Theres so much to read…	[04:34]
Wise:	:)	[04:34]
Wise:	And IÃ‚Â´m not much smarter, but a little!	[04:34]
Wise:	I see the word "Apprentices" in-game. Is there a mentor system :) ?	[04:39]
diana_coman:	player-to-player agreement, yes Wise	[04:40]
Wise:	Cool! In short, how does it work?	[04:41]
diana_coman:	well, I can't talk for others; I tend to offer new people guidance and some work to do (to get them some coppers too) and if they keep at it I usually give them some books too	[04:42]
diana_coman:	and obv, my apprentices come before others if I have work	[04:42]
Wise:	So atm it is just an agreement between two individuals, no game-mechanics involved?	[04:42]
diana_coman:	the point is that they get to learn the ropes faster while doing some work	[04:43]
diana_coman:	yes	[04:43]
Wise:	Hm, ok. But when I rightlick Mircea avatar, i says " Crafting Apprentice, Daniel Baron, Mastered 2015"?	[04:44]
Wise:	And again, sry for all questions! I try to read but hard to find the right posts and to understand as new!	[04:44]
diana_coman:	that's what he wrote there	[04:48]
diana_coman:	you can write a description of your character too	[04:49]
diana_coman:	where you can write "Crafting apprentice, Wise, Mastered 2016"	[04:49]
diana_coman:	nothing will stop you	[04:49]
Wise:	Aha!	[04:49]
diana_coman:	right click on foxy and see what it says	[04:50]
diana_coman:	I wrote some small para although not about apprentices	[04:50]
Wise:	SheÃ‚Â´s not very intelligent, and obviously iÃ‚Â´m not either :)	[04:52]
diana_coman:	ahaha, that's the game's own description and yes, it's a clue to underlying character stats	[04:52]
diana_coman:	you are "an apprentice magic user" and "very frail and feeble in physical combat	[04:53]
diana_coman:	somehow this seems to be quite usual lately, don't know	[04:53]
mircea_popescu:	Wise the channel is logged. if you can't keep a client/bouncer on to pass you any highlights you may receive, it's polite to read the logs and see if anyone talked to you. other than that, no need to say afk or such.	[12:18]
mircea_popescu:	there was some sound in game – greyhawk talks. we turned it off because it's a mess and well… not a priority atm. will eventually get something.	[12:18]
mircea_popescu:	Wise> So atm it is just an agreement between two individuals, no game-mechanics involved? << quests work the same way. eulora is very much a player's own thing.	[12:19]
Wise:	Thank you for your answers!	[12:20]
Wise:	So! Since your here ;) I did get a axe from you and something else that I dont know what it is yet. But I was also told that I will not go up in skill (at all?) if I havnÃ‚Â´t read some book of some kind. I therefore belive itÃ‚Â´s importent that I read some book before I start my adventures, am I right?	[12:22]
Wise:	I figure I could go mine with the pickaxe, but If I dont go up in skill, they go to waste and we donÃ‚Â´t want that (if I understood everything right).	[12:23]
mircea_popescu:	well, it's not exactly clear skills are good or bad yet. people generally level them up, which costs money. some don't, it'\s a toss-up.	[12:25]
mircea_popescu:	but yes if you want skills you'll have to get books.	[12:25]
Wise:	Is there a list of books, are they many (I do have some bitcoin in a wallet, so I should be able to transfer money).	[12:26]
mircea_popescu:	i think diana_coman gives them out for people who do her bidding. i been selling some at 100k a pop also.	[12:29]
mircea_popescu:	there's maybe a dozen or so of them known currently ?	[12:31]
Wise:	Ok, tx	[12:38]
mircea_popescu:	jurov ow shit, 1bn huh ?	[13:24]
mircea_popescu:	alright i'll have to brb with dough.	[13:24]
jurov:	:)	[13:24]
mircea_popescu:	i guess i got a little confused.	[13:24]
mircea_popescu:	again plox.	[13:26]
mircea_popescu:	have an empty bottle extra!	[13:28]
jurov:	ty!	[13:28]
mircea_popescu:	my pleasure.	[13:28]
jurov:	danielpbarron et al.: grundin is back in business!	[13:28]
danielpbarron:	ah	[13:48]
danielpbarron:	jurov, ready now?	[13:48]
jurov:	yes	[13:48]
jurov:	i don't see you around	[13:49]
danielpbarron:	i'm omw	[13:49]
danielpbarron:	lemme get 300 mn	[13:50]
danielpbarron:	ty	[13:51]
mircea_popescu:	heh that sure goers fast does it.	[14:02]
danielpbarron:	i hadn't reuped in a while	[14:06]
mircea_popescu:	i guess ima get a bitcoin's worth myself. gotta keep up!	[15:21]
hanbot:	auction's on	[16:03]
hanbot:	160 million all told	[16:25]
mircea_popescu:	not bad huh	[16:37]
Birdman:	who won those imp tool bps?	[16:46]
Gaxaro:	Hello!	[23:52]

diana_coman:	mircea_popescu> i'd say of the 3.3mn this cost, maculature prolly covers 1mn ; leaves 2.3mn to be covered out of ~80k bv of bps. if we credit the 1/3 loot thing, a fair price for these bps would be 1000\%. <- myeah, sounds quite similar to my experience getting bps so far tbh; fwiw it really seems to be something that might work better at lower skill really (+ high q cons bp though)	[02:40]
Birdman:	is that the secret to making noobs useful in clicking consids? i used my lower q looted ones and got q5 out of noob click	[02:41]
diana_coman:	Birdman, there is no secret really, not sure what is not making sense for you	[02:42]
diana_coman:	you used low q bundle and low q bp and low skill, what do you expect to get if not low q?	[02:42]
Birdman:	and you used what to get over q100 from a noob	[02:43]
diana_coman:	I reported in the logs, just read it	[02:43]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, 3600 ibs 151q , 2mn total, let me know if you want it	[02:49]
diana_coman:	I can also sell 2000wm q1, as previously agreed – http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-09.log.html#t16:25:16 – 500 each, so another 1mn	[02:57]
lobbesbot:	Title: #Eulora log for Monday, 2016-05-09 (at logs.minigame.bz)	[02:57]
diana_coman:	after this I guess I'll have to offer wm+ibs only as part of a tool-provision agreement	[02:57]
diana_coman:	hanbot, I'll take 20 tokens	[05:51]
mircea_popescu:	hm is teh server down ?	[07:36]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman not terribly sure low q bps are actually useful though.	[07:36]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman and yes i'll take the ibs and the wm	[07:37]
mircea_popescu:	so the server wasn't down, i just lost conn overnight ?	[07:46]
diana_coman:	yes mircea_popescu server was up all the time	[07:56]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, do you consider 138q low q now?	[07:56]
mircea_popescu:	cool deal.	[07:56]
diana_coman:	no bps I mean	[07:56]
diana_coman:	on bps*	[07:56]
mircea_popescu:	well no, but i mean as opposed to 7 or w/e	[07:56]
diana_coman:	I don't follow	[07:57]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu> diana_coman not terribly sure low q bps are actually useful though. <- what are you talking about here?	[07:57]
diana_coman:	yes, q7 and the like are not very useful, hence I chose to shred them rather than higher q	[07:57]
mircea_popescu:	Birdman> is that the secret to making noobs useful in clicking consids? i used my lower q looted ones and got q5 out of noob click <	[07:58]
diana_coman:	but if this is about getting noobs to click cons – I got 138q from the noob	[07:58]
mircea_popescu:	not ALL the log is about yourself you know!	[07:58]
diana_coman:	that because he put in low q everything	[07:58]
mircea_popescu:	for whatever reason!	[07:58]
diana_coman:	well then why did you ping me there, lol	[07:58]
mircea_popescu:	i guess i got confused :D	[07:58]
diana_coman:	lol, let me get those wm and ibs out	[08:01]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, trade	[08:04]
diana_coman:	happy bottling	[08:04]
mircea_popescu:	danke schon	[08:04]
diana_coman:	if only I had enough tools and cft and lbn to explore all day (and night, ha)	[08:05]
diana_coman:	was there something else you needed for making tools?	[08:05]
mircea_popescu:	didn't you buy a shitton of lbn ? no way you used all that up ?!	[08:06]
diana_coman:	not yet, no, lbn still ok, but running out of tools pretty much	[08:06]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman well… bps. as it is kinda running out	[08:06]
diana_coman:	and I need all of them basically	[08:06]
diana_coman:	aha, well, hopefully when hanbot gets in and fills my order for 20 tokens	[08:06]
diana_coman:	with a bit of luck afterwards I should get some bps too	[08:06]
mircea_popescu:	a you got mcguyver cons ?	[08:07]
diana_coman:	yes	[08:07]
mircea_popescu:	nb.	[08:07]
diana_coman:	although basic tools are actually tink, not mcguyver	[08:07]
mircea_popescu:	ah	[08:08]
diana_coman:	so imp might come from mcguyver I suppose, but basic would come from tink cons, no?	[08:08]
mircea_popescu:	i'd expect so ya	[08:08]
diana_coman:	got a few tink too	[08:08]
diana_coman:	no bouq and no gung-ho though	[08:08]
diana_coman:	any more cons coming out?	[08:08]
mircea_popescu:	possibru.	[08:10]
diana_coman:	looted 46 ss 238, nice	[08:16]
mircea_popescu:	pretty cool!	[08:17]
diana_coman:	ftr, that ibs I just sold was made with mixed flotsam to end up some…40q	[08:18]
diana_coman:	but high q sr	[08:18]
diana_coman:	quite a bitch to figure out the optimum combination, kind of settled for some reasonable gain basically rather than fully solving that	[08:19]
mircea_popescu:	srsly.	[08:22]
mircea_popescu:	then you know, six months down the road you make the grenadine discovery, "omfg so you mean i've been fuckingmyself all this time ?!?!?!"	[08:23]
diana_coman:	lol, that is certainly possible, but essentially on a different side, namely selling it in the first place and then settling on the price for it	[08:23]
diana_coman:	since bps are still an unknown value	[08:23]
diana_coman:	if I am to take what you said earlier and consider bp as half the value of output then yeah, I should have sold those for way more than that	[08:24]
diana_coman:	and what, have you fully solved that for your tinkering?	[08:25]
diana_coman:	foxy's a part-time, amateur tinkerer, lol	[08:26]
mircea_popescu:	have not, no.	[08:27]
mircea_popescu:	moreover, teh cons bp floats.	[08:27]
mircea_popescu:	particularly hard to fucking solve.	[08:28]
diana_coman:	ahahah, well, at least basic stuff like basic tinkering would still be a good start	[08:28]
diana_coman:	meanwhile on the gathering front: I CAN get any rare stuff by throwing some cs at it (well, A LOT of cs in some cases)	[08:29]
diana_coman:	on the other hand I can't get some basic sb and the like the same way	[08:29]
diana_coman:	ugh	[08:29]
mircea_popescu:	heh	[08:31]
mircea_popescu:	so far euloran unknowns expand faster than euloran player knowledge does. quadratically so.	[08:31]
mircea_popescu:	pledges to keep this scandalous outrage going for as long as possibru.	[08:31]
diana_coman:	or possibly erratically-euloratically so	[08:32]
mircea_popescu:	there's some rather nice confusion being loaded up in the cannons as we speak :D	[08:32]
diana_coman:	oh hi DicePower how's it going?	[08:32]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[08:32]
mircea_popescu:	hola DicePower	[08:32]
diana_coman:	confusion is probably one of the most abundant resources in eulora	[08:33]
diana_coman:	no need to go and find it – it will find you	[08:33]
diana_coman:	zakorus123, plox don't vanish over the next few days as I'll have more lucrative clicks for you as soon as I get some tokens	[08:34]
alikim:	I just threw out about 100 keys – they do not decay ;(	[08:37]
mircea_popescu:	alikim have you logged out ?	[08:38]
alikim:	storage got full	[08:38]
alikim:	yes ofc	[08:38]
mircea_popescu:	hm.	[08:38]
mircea_popescu:	were the claims unlocked ?	[08:38]
alikim:	I had 100 bits and keys, now I have 16 bits left and no keys, they bleed out like crazy	[08:38]
alikim:	ofc unlocked	[08:39]
alikim:	can't accumulate enough bit for a long run	[08:39]
mircea_popescu:	hm.	[08:49]
alikim:	some of these do decay but not enough to cache up bits	[08:51]
mircea_popescu:	will be looking into this alikim	[08:52]
alikim:	thanks	[08:52]
jurov:	yes, some keys refuse to decay. i even made a function to scan inventory for these and throw em	[10:22]
hanbot:	<diana_coman> hanbot, I'll take 20 tokens << cool, workin' on it.	[11:18]
diana_coman:	yay, let me know when ready	[14:32]
Birdman:	sigh, so the trainer does exchange your copious smaller coins for million coins when you train	[16:07]
zakorus123:	that sucks	[16:20]
zakorus123:	i kinda like having alot of smaller coins	[16:20]
mircea_popescu:	Birdman put em in bank	[16:57]
mircea_popescu:	then he'll make change free of charge.	[16:57]
Birdman:	yeah thats what i do, but i had all my small coins on me so i trained and it stuck em all together	[18:23]
Birdman:	mircea_popescu were you interested in wwb?	[18:24]
mircea_popescu:	sure.	[18:24]
Birdman:	alright, im thinking what i want to price resources at is <q100 30\%, q100-200 50\%, q200+ 100\% is that agreeable?	[18:25]
Birdman:	i've about a stack of bits left to work through then ill get back to you on how much, should have a few hundred tlc with it too	[18:26]
mircea_popescu:	i dun think i'm paying over 130\% for wwb.	[18:26]
Birdman:	no problem	[18:27]

diana_coman:	hanbot, collect when convenient: 15 ss 546q, 160k total)	[03:56]
mircea_popescu:	0.04 more lalala.	[09:07]
diana_coman:	got my nbc bundle together finally, it turned out 358q :(	[09:41]
diana_coman:	still, not that bad	[09:41]
diana_coman:	I could oc even with foxy clicking it, but not a whole lot, so prolly looking for someone else to click	[09:42]
diana_coman:	hanbot, what do you want for clicking it?	[09:43]
diana_coman:	or mod6 ?	[09:43]
alikim:	what happens if you click it and get dced?	[10:15]
mircea_popescu:	nothing, really. pick up your item and start over.	[10:17]
diana_coman:	it wears down your armor a bit basically, but that's it, not a big deal really	[10:19]
alikim:	pity if it's a long overnight click	[10:20]
diana_coman:	no, this should be 1-2hours I think	[10:20]
diana_coman:	but yeah, sucks to disconnect in the night when you are building a remarkable or the like, indeed	[10:20]
mircea_popescu:	word.	[10:21]
mircea_popescu:	or a sizable. what's it took danielpbarron 3 days or somesuch ?	[10:22]
diana_coman:	did he build it?	[10:22]
mircea_popescu:	i thought so no ?	[10:23]
diana_coman:	I thought not, but no ide	[10:24]
diana_coman:	idea	[10:24]
mircea_popescu:	hm	[10:24]
danielpbarron:	no i didn't	[11:01]
mircea_popescu:	ah okthen	[11:49]
zakorus123:	hey guys	[14:49]
zakorus123:	been quite busy	[14:49]
zakorus123:	back tho	[14:49]
diana_coman:	oh hi zakorus123	[15:08]
diana_coman:	wanna do a click for me?	[15:08]
zakorus123:	sure gimmie a minute	[15:31]
zakorus123:	finishing off the last tool i bought from you earlier	[15:32]
diana_coman:	ok, ping me when done	[15:33]
zakorus123:	ok im done	[15:39]
zakorus123:	just lemme store all my stuff	[15:39]
zakorus123:	ready to click for you	[15:40]
diana_coman:	kk, let me take it out	[15:42]
mircea_popescu:	is curious what'll come of this.	[16:04]
hanbot:	diana_coman i'm around to buy those ss when you are. and cool that zakorus is doing your click (i think mp's observation yesterday about multiple baskets is a strong point) gl!	[17:13]
diana_coman:	hanbot, ready	[17:15]
diana_coman:	it's more that he has lower skill really, while not really total 0 either	[17:15]
diana_coman:	good luck	[17:16]
hanbot:	tyvm	[17:16]
Birdman:	im thinkin it doesnt work out so well	[17:23]
diana_coman:	got supps	[17:25]
Birdman:	nice	[17:27]
Birdman:	that was the point right? lots of low q supps for tokens	[17:27]
hanbot:	oh hey, congrats	[17:28]
diana_coman:	not even that low q	[17:28]
diana_coman:	so hanbot, got supps of mosses and of berries	[17:28]
diana_coman:	those good?	[17:28]
hanbot:	not especially	[17:29]
hanbot:	i mean, good that the line isn't dead, for sure.	[17:29]
diana_coman:	well, that was my main aim with this right now really	[17:29]
diana_coman:	and otherwise re tokens	[17:29]
diana_coman:	they certainly make inconsequential tokens at least	[17:30]
Birdman:	what q they come out?	[17:30]
diana_coman:	138q	[17:30]
Birdman:	what q consideration / bundle? and i guess zakorus123's tinkering level	[17:31]
diana_coman:	lol Birdman read the logs	[17:32]
hanbot:	mhm. as far as tokens go, i pretty much screwed myself with the sales i've done so far. given the (outrageous?) prices dpb & i have paid for the altars, tokens have to fetch a pretty high price to make regular supplication clicks viable.	[17:32]
diana_coman:	hm.	[17:33]
hanbot:	compounded by the fact that the rares looted from basic resource supplications aren't so rare anymore	[17:33]
diana_coman:	so then what's the deal you want for inconsequential tokens exactly?	[17:34]
hanbot:	yeah, i'll make a precise figure here, brb.	[17:35]
Birdman:	i think the point of the supps looting the rares is to get them in an otherwise much harder to get quality	[17:41]
diana_coman:	well, there is no reason or guarantee that things should be gotten in only one single way or such	[17:52]
danielpbarron:	it's also a sure way to get rares and in a more definite amount of time	[17:54]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron, you offering any deal tokens for supps?	[17:55]
danielpbarron:	no	[17:56]
Birdman:	diana_coman what were you offering?	[18:02]
diana_coman:	Birdman, ?	[18:02]
Birdman:	tokens for supps	[18:02]
diana_coman:	Birdman, it wasn't me offering the deal, but hanbot: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-01.log.html#t00:02:30	[18:13]
lobbesbot:	Title: #Eulora log for Sunday, 2016-05-01 (at logs.minigame.bz)	[18:13]
Birdman:	ah	[18:14]
mircea_popescu:	* diana_coman got supps < win.	[18:34]
diana_coman:	well, depends on what the tokens go for meanwhile	[18:38]
hanbot:	i'm pricing ist at 500k. this, based on altar click/wine costs, should be sustainable. apologies for my earlier bungled pricing/offers, but know that y'all got em a lot cheaper than they should've been. ;)	[18:39]
diana_coman:	hanbot, what are you paying for supps then? or are you buying supps at all?	[18:39]
mircea_popescu:	500k huh.	[18:39]
diana_coman:	myeah mircea_popescu kind of wondering whether I really need any bps , lol	[18:39]
mircea_popescu:	heh. hanbot how'd you figure ?	[18:40]
hanbot:	mircea_popescu i spent 65M on my altar. it was durability 2281. altar decay is 11,097 per click, so it had 244 total clicks available, which means each click costs me 267k. throw an aw in there (one per click); recently for instance i paid 15m for 90, 167k each. so i'm looking at 434k cost/click not counting whatever items to be sacrificed (3ct).	[18:41]
diana_coman:	goes back to trying to figure out wtf is best q flotsam for some reasonable ibs	[18:41]
mircea_popescu:	hm	[18:41]
mircea_popescu:	so you're figuring 20-50k the suplication and whatever sliver of profit from the remainder ?	[18:42]
diana_coman:	even if someone knew, what could they do about it exactly?	[18:43]
mircea_popescu:	i suppose the thing would be "stop overbidding on altars omfg", but that's not likely to go very far huh.	[18:43]
diana_coman:	unlike the rastrums that ended up similarly priced due to the huge price paid on that first bubble, tokens are at least needed basically	[18:44]
diana_coman:	yeah, WHO exactly should have stopped you mean?	[18:44]
mircea_popescu:	myeah. interesting economic problem	[18:44]
hanbot:	well sacrifice line is alluring for the unknown upsides, hard not to overbid	[18:45]
mircea_popescu:	then again, who's to say 500k for ist is too much. if bps sell…	[18:45]
diana_coman:	hanbot, do you still need /want any supps or not atm?	[18:45]
hanbot:	yeah, how many didja get?	[18:45]
diana_coman:	well, then bps end up priced 500\% or some such and then everything goes through the roof in turn, kind of curious if that means aw increases in price hence tokens increase, lol	[18:46]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[18:46]
diana_coman:	hanbot, some 90 of each	[18:46]
diana_coman:	91 exactly	[18:46]
diana_coman:	91 berries, 91 mosses, 138q	[18:46]
mircea_popescu:	though in fairness things dampen, so 500\% bp, well, what's the bp figure, 10\% into the bv of the item, so it's only 50\% etc	[18:46]
hanbot:	ah, a bit much; i've ~100 clicks left	[18:46]
mircea_popescu:	what's these make ?	[18:47]
diana_coman:	yeah, not looking to sell all of them really, not a problem, just let me know what deal are you fine with re supps for tokens	[18:47]
mircea_popescu:	lol hanbot danielpbarron you two gotta sort out that altar production huh	[18:47]
diana_coman:	if any such deal is still of interest basically	[18:47]
hanbot:	i'll buy 50 of each diana_coman (mosses make ss, berries make tlc)	[18:47]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, from danielpbarron's page, they should get ss and tlc	[18:47]
diana_coman:	ah	[18:48]
mircea_popescu:	ah ss, nb.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu:	tlc kinda not so needed atm… though after i burn my stocks…	[18:49]
hanbot:	diana_coman how's 20k ea, 2mn total?	[18:49]
mircea_popescu:	is thinking about making a dozen or so rock distillate experimentally.	[18:49]
hanbot:	(or 4 ist)	[18:49]
mircea_popescu:	wait, so technically 91 + 91 * 20k each means diana_coman got 3.6mn just from this loot for that nbc click ? so it's… PROFITABLE ?	[18:50]
diana_coman:	hm, that click is not really repeatable	[18:50]
mircea_popescu:	500k bp, 500k token, whatever else went in there 500k or so…	[18:50]
diana_coman:	and how the fuck do you calc the value of bps that I had to shred?	[18:50]
diana_coman:	tell me as I'm quite curious	[18:50]
mircea_popescu:	hey, you didn't HAVE to shred them, i was offering mites for ecu ; that can count	[18:51]
diana_coman:	iirc you were offering dusts for …IST	[18:51]
diana_coman:	not for ecu, no	[18:51]
mircea_popescu:	(imo shredding bps as such is horrible waste, and never profitable these days. but that's me)	[18:51]
mircea_popescu:	oh shit i was wasn't i… i wanted what, 10 ist was it ?	[18:51]
diana_coman:	myeah	[18:51]
mircea_popescu:	aha…	[18:51]
diana_coman:	which by the looks of it would have been a terribly shitty deal for me	[18:52]
mircea_popescu:	so if we accept hanbot 's 500k ist price, which i figure since she made is backed by at least some offer,	[18:52]
mircea_popescu:	then my 10 ist become 5mn ; and this is then for 1k dust q 1148 ie bv 114.8k	[18:52]
mircea_popescu:	so i was asking in practice 4355\% huh. kinda nuts.	[18:52]
diana_coman:	hanbot, I get that the tokens are more expensive, but somehow I don't really get why the supps are cheaper at the same time, maybe I just don't get something	[18:52]
diana_coman:	so it was 3 supps/token when token was 150k	[18:53]
diana_coman:	token goes to 500k	[18:53]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman cuz now they're oversupplied :D	[18:53]
diana_coman:	are they?	[18:53]
diana_coman:	guess I'll hog mine then	[18:53]
diana_coman:	and pay cash rather if I really need bps	[18:53]
mircea_popescu:	didn't she just not want to buy them all lol	[18:53]
hanbot:	<mircea_popescu> lol hanbot danielpbarron you two gotta sort out that altar production huh << yeah. fwiw danielpbarron i'm prepared to pay reasonably, only stipulation is that i don't get cut off from the line. think about what might work for you?	[18:53]
diana_coman:	so dunno hanbot maybe 9, say 10 supps/token?	[18:55]
mircea_popescu:	hey hanbot you ever clicked your nbc ? or did you even have one ?	[18:56]
hanbot:	diana_coman there's no relation to my previous offers & the current, given before i was waddling around idiotically without rationally considering my costs.	[18:56]
diana_coman:	I see	[18:56]
hanbot:	mircea_popescu i haven't, i do have it. i'd like you to make my dt if you can sched it into your crafting	[18:56]
diana_coman:	let me see then	[18:56]
mircea_popescu:	so do you want 999 dusts high q for 1.2mn ?	[18:56]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman you can have a 999 same price too if you want it.	[18:57]
hanbot:	mircea_popescu by all means, shower me with yer dustss	[18:57]
mircea_popescu:	aite lemme fetch	[18:57]
mircea_popescu:	i have so much fucking feeling it's not even funny.	[18:58]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, I'll take those too, yes	[18:58]
mircea_popescu:	check that out : mircea mircescu dropped 235294 tinkerer's petrified feelingses	[18:58]
hanbot:	pity there's no epic ballad bp to sop those up.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu:	srsly lmao	[18:59]
mircea_popescu:	trade me at yer leisure.	[19:01]
hanbot:	thanks	[19:01]
diana_coman:	hanbot, fine, I'll sell the supps for 20k ea	[19:02]
diana_coman:	I'll have to calc re tokens	[19:02]
hanbot:	kk. you want the cash?	[19:02]
diana_coman:	yes	[19:03]
diana_coman:	thanks	[19:03]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, can I haz dusts?	[19:03]
mircea_popescu:	hit me	[19:03]
hanbot:	gracias diana_coman	[19:03]
mircea_popescu:	danke.	[19:04]
diana_coman:	thanks	[19:04]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman what q dusts did ytou end up with by shredding ?	[19:05]
diana_coman:	I don't have any other nbc ofc, but anyway	[19:05]
diana_coman:	hm, in the logs, some ~900 iirc	[19:05]
mircea_popescu:	did you figure how much they cost you somehow ?	[19:05]
diana_coman:	I barfed out of it , but tbh I used also at least low q bps as much as made sense	[19:05]
mircea_popescu:	i'd have thought it's better to use high q bps	[19:06]
diana_coman:	better	[19:06]
diana_coman:	lol	[19:06]
mircea_popescu:	ie, better use 9 q 1100 bps than 99 q 100 bps neh ?	[19:06]
diana_coman:	define better plox	[19:06]
mircea_popescu:	lmao	[19:06]
diana_coman:	really?	[19:06]
diana_coman:	in what sense?	[19:06]
diana_coman:	is it worth it really?	[19:06]
mircea_popescu:	well im thinking, q 100 bps i'd use to make threads and shit	[19:06]
diana_coman:	do you imagine the price of a q1100 bp re what 99 q 9 bps would cost you?	[19:06]
mircea_popescu:	q 1100 bps… meh.	[19:07]
diana_coman:	q 1100 bps you can mix	[19:07]
mircea_popescu:	well, EXCEPT in the case of threads, where it's needed for smalls.	[19:07]
diana_coman:	with q9 bps	[19:07]
diana_coman:	get you some very reasonable bps	[19:07]
mircea_popescu:	true. though i'd rather mix mid q bps with low q to rectify…	[19:07]
diana_coman:	at much lower cost	[19:07]
diana_coman:	I meant mixing bps!	[19:07]
mircea_popescu:	this is by now becoming pure heuristicland isn't it.	[19:07]
diana_coman:	not bp + bundle	[19:07]
diana_coman:	so the thing is that q1100 bp is basically more than one bp	[19:07]
diana_coman:	it redeems any shitty bps you have	[19:08]
diana_coman:	while q 100 bp is strictly that	[19:08]
diana_coman:	one single bp to make one single whatever	[19:08]
mircea_popescu:	ya but… see, 1 q 1100 redeems say 5 ; 10 q 100 redeem the same 5. so cheaper.	[19:08]
diana_coman:	for one thing: if you have them	[19:08]
mircea_popescu:	well yeah if you have them.	[19:08]
diana_coman:	I rather had loads of q5 and few q140	[19:09]
mircea_popescu:	the whole discussion is "if you have them". poor people just go home.	[19:09]
diana_coman:	to cite: you can't have everything, where would you put it?	[19:09]
mircea_popescu:	a you had those oodlebunches of bps from noob tinkering huh	[19:09]
diana_coman:	(and yeah, storage is barfing)	[19:09]
diana_coman:	yes	[19:09]
mircea_popescu:	lol that's pretty lulzy :D	[19:09]
hanbot:	<diana_coman> define better plox << this channel needs a bash	[19:09]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, for any other N cons clickers : i'm reasonably well supplied on dusts q high 200s low 300s i'd be willing to sell much more reasonably than 1050\%.	[19:10]
diana_coman:	it's nbc, not even any n	[19:11]
mircea_popescu:	for most applications other than NBC, you prolly don't actually need/want 1k q anyway	[19:11]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman no but i meant for other peoplez.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu:	so listen hanbot can i buy a coupla tokens ? i'm thinking of trying a coupla ntc's see what occurs.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu:	also diana_coman got 2 tomes ?	[19:12]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, q253, yes	[19:13]
mircea_popescu:	how much for them ?	[19:13]
hanbot:	mircea_popescu sure, i'll have to make em tho'. ~hour and a half.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu:	kk.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu:	thanks gawd i made all that wine lol.	[19:13]
diana_coman:	usual 52k+1.8qabv, hence 455k each	[19:14]
mircea_popescu:	otherwise it'd be "i wanna do this. .. you got that ? sure, but need this then i;ll make it … oh, iu'll make it but need etc" COME BACK FIVE WEEKS LATER	[19:14]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman sold.	[19:14]
diana_coman:	how many?	[19:14]
mircea_popescu:	2	[19:14]
mircea_popescu:	ty	[19:15]
diana_coman:	good luck	[19:15]
mircea_popescu:	so for this craft… 910k books ; hey diana_coman what'd be for 2 bods ?	[19:16]
diana_coman:	let me see what I have	[19:16]
diana_coman:	oh fuck, I messed them again, haven't I , lol	[19:16]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman just for math, i have my own but too lazy to calc it.	[19:16]
diana_coman:	bods and dt	[19:16]
diana_coman:	lol	[19:16]
mircea_popescu:	huh ?	[19:16]
diana_coman:	that was the formula for bod, not for dt	[19:16]
diana_coman:	lol	[19:16]
mircea_popescu:	did i overpay ?	[19:17]
diana_coman:	it's not even the first time, it's quite lulzy	[19:17]
diana_coman:	prolly not	[19:17]
mircea_popescu:	go me :D	[19:17]
diana_coman:	let me see	[19:17]
diana_coman:	out of curiosity	[19:17]
mircea_popescu:	910k books + 1mn tokens + 1mn the bps + 200k for the dusts say, and i guess 200k more for 2 bods ? = 3.3mn for 2 clicks.	[19:17]
mircea_popescu:	curious what'll come out of them!	[19:18]
diana_coman:	indeed, it would have been 537 each, so you got a discount lol	[19:18]
diana_coman:	anyways, let me see what bods I have	[19:18]
mircea_popescu:	diana's apothecary & library notions store.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu:	i kinda see you as an old crotchety lady from pasadena, running this tower of a shop with creaky wooden stairs	[19:19]
diana_coman:	only a few, 328q	[19:19]
mircea_popescu:	were you in vaudeville ? :D	[19:19]
diana_coman:	bwahaha, could do for a while	[19:19]
diana_coman:	omfg making some ibs 230q, will redo calc to make sure it makes sense	[19:33]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[20:53]
mircea_popescu:	you want some low q ibs bps ?	[20:53]
mircea_popescu:	meh, lowest i got is 158.	[20:54]
hanbot:	mircea_popescu yer ist are ready	[20:57]
mircea_popescu:	thankee	[20:57]
mircea_popescu:	heh bundle q 207 just.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu:	soo first click… 153 dg ; 130 srs ; 2 ibs, 1 cft. all q 286.	[22:00]
mircea_popescu:	51 + 153134 + 2 71 + 130 * 128 = 37335k bv.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu:	tbh it feels kinda great to have MADE bps.	[22:05]
mircea_popescu:	and 2nd batch, 236 bct ; 69 ibs and 1 dg.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu:	236 * 154 + 69 * 71 + 134 = 41377	[23:09]
mircea_popescu:	i'd say of the 3.3mn this cost, maculature prolly covers 1mn ; leaves 2.3mn to be covered out of ~80k bv of bps. if we credit the 1/3 loot thing, a fair price for these bps would be 1000\%.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu:	ie roughly speaking, the value of the made product is twice the bundle, or half for bundle half for bp.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron i'll take q 111 bms at 876 ; q 60 bod at 10k ; q 129 cc at 731 ; c 159 cft at 42 ; q 83 csw at 2239 ; q 500 drudgeries (all) at 153750 ; q 9 FCS at 176 ; q 193 ich at 25545 ; q 13 ltf at 81 ; q 60 ma at 3500 ; q 7 ppb at 89 ; q 77 poc at 1800 ; q 7 pcs at 176 ; q 9 scs at 176 ; q 156 srs at 105 ; q 87 si at 224 ; q 15 s at 14 ; q 14 sa at 882. let me know which of these you're still selling.	[23:17]

mircea_popescu:	lolz	[00:01]
mircea_popescu:	don't drink it all in one place!	[00:01]
mircea_popescu:	incidentally, anyone selling ltf bps ? acg bps ?	[09:46]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, 2 stacks of ltf bps 7q	[10:02]
mircea_popescu:	that's really for noobs i think.	[10:02]
mircea_popescu:	i need something human, 100something.	[10:02]
diana_coman:	I could sell also 500 acg 64q	[10:02]
diana_coman:	bps I mean	[10:02]
mircea_popescu:	that i'll take. how much ?	[10:02]
diana_coman:	hm, such a pain to price those really	[10:04]
mircea_popescu:	heh	[10:04]
diana_coman:	400k the lot	[10:05]
mircea_popescu:	alrighty.	[10:07]
mircea_popescu:	im in town.	[10:07]
mircea_popescu:	are these historical or looted ?	[10:07]
diana_coman:	historical	[10:08]
diana_coman:	btw, any of those bouq cons that loot supps?	[10:08]
diana_coman:	they are really needed as otherwise apparently the supply of tokens will dry up hence no more cons to click at all	[10:08]
mircea_popescu:	gin doesn't co into cons line does it ?	[10:09]
mircea_popescu:	oh via gt in books ?	[10:09]
diana_coman:	aha	[10:09]
mircea_popescu:	i'm making a LARGE batch.	[10:09]
diana_coman:	of gin? or of dt?	[10:09]
mircea_popescu:	of gt, i'm out of dt bps.	[10:09]
mircea_popescu:	but trying to have some reasonable stock of gt ready for when auction finishes sun	[10:09]
diana_coman:	aha, good, I think I will buy more actually as I am currently making a batch of dt	[10:09]
diana_coman:	try maybe trade me? I am working on this dt and can't trade apparently but maybe I can accept	[10:10]
mircea_popescu:	might not be the whole 4k tho	[10:10]
mircea_popescu:	lols	[10:10]
mircea_popescu:	nah if you can't trade you can't accept. no rush.	[10:10]
diana_coman:	hm, 4k gt means 1k dt	[10:10]
diana_coman:	would need to get the bps at next auction really	[10:10]
diana_coman:	if I don't get those, no chance as I'll be out of bps	[10:10]
mircea_popescu:	gt bps ?	[10:10]
diana_coman:	but if I get them…	[10:10]
diana_coman:	dt	[10:10]
diana_coman:	dt bps	[10:10]
diana_coman:	1k of them precisely	[10:11]
diana_coman:	ha	[10:11]
mircea_popescu:	nono, do you got gt bps.	[10:11]
diana_coman:	oh, should have some, yes	[10:11]
mircea_popescu:	lemme kno that also.	[10:11]
diana_coman:	hm, could sell 100 gt bps but q103, will want another 400k on those though	[10:13]
mircea_popescu:	mmm	[10:20]
mircea_popescu:	how about 700k together!	[10:20]
diana_coman:	loool, sounds like my 3yo negotiating skills	[10:20]
diana_coman:	fine, can do	[10:20]
mircea_popescu:	lol ?	[10:21]
diana_coman:	anyway: any bouq cons?	[10:21]
mircea_popescu:	im clicking bottles.	[10:25]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, trade	[10:57]
mircea_popescu:	now plox diana_coman	[11:00]
mircea_popescu:	danke!	[11:01]
diana_coman:	enjoy	[11:01]
Birdman:	sell me some of them cs mircea_popescu ?	[12:32]
diana_coman:	Birdman, did you want more dt? I just made a bunch, turned out 253q	[12:34]
Birdman:	what \% over we talkin here diana_coman	[12:35]
diana_coman:	as usual, nothing changed as far as I know, so 240\%; still happy to use them in my own cons clicking too	[12:35]
Birdman:	eh	[12:38]
Birdman:	i'd need bod too, so im in no hurry right now	[12:38]
mircea_popescu:	Birdman which ?	[12:43]
Birdman:	any you might have?	[12:44]
Birdman:	anyone have high q ltf?	[13:14]
Birdman:	i'd also be interested in a gung-ho book	[13:15]
mircea_popescu:	well i have it, but i also need it to make oil and gin	[13:30]
Birdman:	i dont need any super high amount i guess, maybe 100-200	[13:30]
Birdman:	will ecv be used for things in the future?	[13:32]
Birdman:	also, using worn tools to craft imp tools is sort of out of the question now right, they make up pretty much half the base value	[14:24]
Birdman:	quite a bit more in face	[14:25]
diana_coman:	hanbot, what's the current price for inconsequential tokens? (still no supps because no bouq cons)	[15:08]
Birdman:	seems the bot moves backwards over time	[17:04]
mircea_popescu:	aha.	[17:05]
diana_coman:	remembers this has been discussed backwards AND forwards over time	[17:06]
mircea_popescu:	:p	[17:07]
alikim:	how do you make these mental notes?	[17:17]
mircea_popescu:	Birdman i've used worn tools for the imps i sold.	[17:18]
mircea_popescu:	alikim hm ?	[17:18]
Birdman:	but you are also tink/mcguyver man	[17:18]
mircea_popescu:	ya.	[17:18]
alikim:	* diana_coman remembers this has been discussed backwards AND forwards over time <- like this	[17:21]
diana_coman:	alikim, just type /me mental note	[17:24]
diana_coman:	it might depend on your irc client too	[17:24]
alikim:	thinks diana has been very helpful but is too shy to say it out loud	[17:25]
alikim:	nice, thanks	[17:25]
diana_coman:	yw	[17:27]
alikim:	my bot explores randomly inside a polygonal shaped area and it sometimes stucks in one corner of it and refuses to go out. I made it to make a longer step from time to time so it goes somewhere else – it still returns to that corner eventually. And that's on a RNG that I've used for years and I know is not biased	[17:35]
j-dawg:	Insufficient data for meaningful answer.	[17:37]
alikim:	that wasn't a question, just an observation about bot's psychology ;)	[17:39]
j-dawg:	recent version of my bot does drunk walk strategy. obv it sometimes ends by falling out from cliff. but i would not call it "observation about psychology" :D	[17:41]
alikim:	never heard of drunk wall	[17:41]
diana_coman:	how do you know that the rng is not biased alikim ?	[17:42]
alikim:	I used it for years in dt	[17:42]
diana_coman:	also: will you release somewhere your bot?	[17:42]
alikim:	it's just 3 lines of code but it's very good	[17:43]
diana_coman:	I guess your client changes rather re interface/modding	[17:43]
diana_coman:	the shorter the better	[17:44]
alikim:	well, I hope today I'll be off the hook, the bot will be complete and work completely autonomously from now on, so I can finally analyze the data and start figuring out what the hell I've been doing ;)	[17:45]
diana_coman:	aha	[17:46]
alikim:	as to the interface – I don't have time and incentive to finish all the windows right now, maybe sometime later. If I finish I'll release it but my mod goes beoynd only window changes, you'll have to modify some other files as well	[17:47]
diana_coman:	that is fine really: I DO plan to modify all sorts anyway, not a problem	[17:47]
diana_coman:	ideally it would be a skin rather than window by window	[17:48]
alikim:	you can have what I have now if you like	[17:48]
diana_coman:	ok	[17:48]
diana_coman:	link?	[17:48]
alikim:	I need to make one	[17:49]
diana_coman:	ok	[17:49]
alikim:	you'll have to unregister bot files from psengine or client I don't remember	[17:50]
diana_coman:	if you put somewhere a diff, it'll show anyway; or an archive with the code and I can do the diff myself and see	[17:54]
alikim:	yeah I'm on it	[17:56]
Birdman:	diana_coman have you seen changes in quality between resources in the same skill based on bv?	[18:47]
alikim:	can anyone pls send me a private msg?	[19:16]
mircea_popescu:	alikim done	[19:42]
mircea_popescu:	j-dawg> recent version of my bot does drunk walk strategy. << prolly best call.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu:	Birdman doh ? that's why small claims get higher q ?	[19:55]
mircea_popescu:	or you mean bv of what ?	[19:55]
Birdman:	i mean you might get higher quality of a low tier resource than a really rare more valuable resource	[19:56]
mircea_popescu:	oh. can't say i've noticed that. as long as it's lumberjack i get the same really	[19:56]
Birdman:	yeah i havent seen it either	[19:58]

Zakorus123:	when is jurov usually on?	[00:10]
Zakorus123:	kinda wanna buy a bit of coppers for tools and threads	[00:11]
Zakorus123:	alittle bit later	[00:11]
Diana_Coman_:	got anything interesting from that consideration click Birdman alikim ?	[03:01]
Birdman:	6k flatbread, 2.8k ft, and small amounts of a few others, all q5 Diana_Coman_	[03:15]
Diana_Coman_:	ft is not bad, but q5 ugh	[03:49]
Birdman:	yeah i lol'd when i saw what i got	[03:51]
Birdman:	i lol'd when the bundle q made was like q80	[03:51]
Birdman:	got like 250\% on the FT bps though	[03:52]
Birdman:	if i could get my hands on some q250 or so shredding instructions i could make i think some q 700 bits	[04:19]
Birdman:	alot of the bps i've been looting from the consids are high q and pretty useless, like taupes hoof gloves etc	[04:20]
Birdman:	will definitely be a project in the days to come	[04:21]
Diana_Coman_:	oh, you sold the ft bps already? cool	[04:49]
Birdman:	yeah	[04:51]
Birdman:	would you have been interested?	[04:51]
Diana_Coman_:	higher q, yes	[04:51]
Birdman:	ah	[04:52]
Birdman:	i've some of those too but im hesitant to sell	[04:52]
Birdman:	nothin major though	[04:52]
Diana_Coman_:	I still have low q and apparently not getting time to use them	[04:52]
Diana_Coman_:	prolly best left for when you have more	[04:53]
Birdman:	yeh imma shred em and get like 500\% on the numina that comes out of it	[04:54]
Diana_Coman_:	oh, there is that too	[04:54]
Birdman:	yeah, to have highest q numina for the bouq line is very valuable, since those consids are used to loot others, at high qualities	[04:55]
Birdman:	in retrospect i shouldn't have sold my q450+ mites to mp for only 160\%	[04:56]
Birdman:	Diana_Coman_ do you have 12 tomes all ready to be sold?	[04:57]
Diana_Coman_:	no, I used most of what I had, will have to be next batch; shouldn't be too long though if I get the gt	[04:58]
Birdman:	cool, thinkinh of doing a pretty large consideration run and put the results up for auction	[04:59]
Birdman:	and i need more bod too, like 8 of em	[04:59]
Diana_Coman_:	large cons run sounds good	[05:00]
Diana_Coman_:	that I prolly still have	[05:00]
jurov:	Birdman: Zakorus: i'm usually online afternoon/evening hours GMT	[06:36]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 193 GT, q 139, 7mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 500 FT, q 211, 9mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 40 CS, 1.25mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 49 ISP, d 32542, 2.1mn heard danielpbarron ; eta 17:00 ART	[09:33]
mircea_popescu:	Diana_Coman_> ft is not bad, but q5 ugh << so wait, noob q no longer good ? :D	[09:33]
mircea_popescu:	Birdman> if i could get my hands on some q250 or so shredding instructions << didn't i sell some last you were whining about this and then you didn't bid and they went for shit ?	[09:34]
mircea_popescu:	you got only yourself to blame.	[09:34]
mircea_popescu:	aaaand for the first time ever, eulora averaged 7 players online yest. that's ~170 hours of game time in a day.	[09:39]
danielpbarron:	yeah these new guys are logged in all the time now	[09:46]
mircea_popescu:	aha.	[09:51]
mircea_popescu:	Diana_Coman_ any wwb btw ? ae ?	[10:55]
Birdman:	i was asleep when someone else bid on it mircea_popescu , iirc the only other person who bid	[11:09]
mircea_popescu:	nevertheless!	[11:09]
Birdman:	yep, but its all good how many hours till that auction ends?	[11:14]
mircea_popescu:	bout noon now, so almost 4	[11:15]
mircea_popescu:	almost 5*	[11:15]
Birdman:	i'll bid 1.5mn on the cs	[11:17]
Birdman:	and 2.5mn on the isp	[11:18]
Birdman:	mircea_popescu ^	[11:18]
Birdman:	Diana_Coman_ ill buy those bod now, let me see how many i need exactly	[11:19]
Birdman:	all q200+ ya?	[11:19]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 193 GT, q 139, 7mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 500 FT, q 211, 9mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 40 CS, 1.5mn heard Birdman ; 49 ISP, d 32542, 2.5mn heard Birdman ; eta 17:00 ART	[11:19]
hanbot:	1.7mn the cs and 2.8mn the isp please mircea_popescu	[11:21]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 193 GT, q 139, 7mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 500 FT, q 211, 9mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 40 CS, 1.7mn heard hanbot ; 49 ISP, d 32542, 2.8mn heard hanbot ; eta 17:00 ART	[11:21]
mircea_popescu:	monymonymonymonymony	[11:21]
Birdman:	need 6 bod	[11:22]
Birdman:	thanks	[11:30]
Birdman:	danielpbarron	[11:30]
danielpbarron:	http://danielpbarron.com/eulora-shop/#ingredients	[13:00]
diana_coman:	10k per io at q113 lolz	[13:16]
mircea_popescu:	significantly over auction prices neh ?	[13:19]
diana_coman:	talking of which: 3mn on the isp	[13:19]
diana_coman:	I'm making a few ks high q disgusting goop; guess I'll just sell some of it and see how that goes	[13:20]
mircea_popescu:	334 IO q 219 sold 6mn ie 17.96 k each. equiv price at 113 would be 9.2k	[13:21]
mircea_popescu:	i guess more or less in range.	[13:21]
mircea_popescu:	then again quality matters.	[13:21]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 193 GT, q 139, 7mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 500 FT, q 211, 9mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 40 CS, 1.7mn heard hanbot ; 49 ISP, d 32542, 3mn heard diana_coman ; eta 17:00 ART	[13:22]
mircea_popescu:	i guess the ppb is not ~that~ terrible also.	[13:23]
diana_coman:	for sale: 2650 disgusting goop, 171q, price 3mn	[14:44]
diana_coman:	<mircea_popescu> Diana_Coman_ any wwb btw ? ae ? <- 1654 wwb 203q 130\%	[15:13]
alikim:	diana, you here?	[15:41]
diana_coman:	hi alikim , yes	[15:44]
Zakorus123:	good afternoon	[15:53]
jurov:	hi Zakorus123, you wanted to trade?	[16:28]
Zakorus123:	in a few hours for some coin yes	[16:28]
Zakorus123:	just need to get the coin first	[16:28]
jurov:	but i won't be here	[16:28]
Zakorus123:	okay lemme just see if i can get the coin together first	[16:28]
Zakorus123:	will be 10 min max	[16:29]
Zakorus123:	if not then maybe tommarow	[16:29]
Zakorus123:	whats the minimum	[16:29]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman ill take the wwb	[16:29]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 193 GT, q 139, 7mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 500 FT, q 211, 9mn heard Diana_Coman_ ; 40 CS, 1.7mn heard hanbot ; 49 ISP, d 32542, 3mn heard diana_coman ; eta 17:00 ART << sold, meet me in town for items.	[16:29]
jurov:	oh, up to 2 hrs is okay	[16:30]
Zakorus123:	ok	[16:30]
Zakorus123:	also whats the minimum coin-trade	[16:30]
mircea_popescu:	check it out, eulora driving teh btc economy.	[16:31]
jurov:	no fixed minimum, but i prefer you not to trade every day	[16:31]
Zakorus123:	okay	[16:32]
Zakorus123:	not every day	[16:32]
Zakorus123:	:)	[16:32]
mircea_popescu:	jurov that's a pretty clever way to go about it, actually. "i'll do whatever you want but do it weekly or something like a sane person"	[16:32]
jurov:	yep	[16:32]
Zakorus123:	okay	[16:32]
jurov:	wow the barehanded explore experience was seriously slashed	[16:36]
jurov:	was 100 last week iirc, now 15	[16:36]
jurov:	why such jumps?	[16:36]
mircea_popescu:	hey, nothing lasts 4evar.	[16:37]
Zakorus123:	while im waiting on my payment from grindabuck would anyone wanna buy some boulders?	[16:37]
Zakorus123:	i have aton of them and i dont need them	[16:37]
mircea_popescu:	sure. meet me in town.	[16:38]
Zakorus123:	ok i have 59 of them	[16:38]
Zakorus123:	different qs too	[16:38]
mircea_popescu:	lol 59 aint a ton.	[16:38]
mircea_popescu:	lemme show you some tons	[16:39]
Zakorus123:	theyre heavy	[16:39]
Zakorus123:	:P	[16:39]
mircea_popescu:	THOSE are tons.	[16:39]
Zakorus123:	yeah i know i meant the wieght	[16:39]
Zakorus123:	lol	[16:39]
mircea_popescu:	358 < 1000! :D	[16:39]
Zakorus123:	yeah i know lol	[16:39]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, mix em up, i'm not going to split trade 60 rocks	[16:39]
Zakorus123:	ok	[16:39]
Zakorus123:	1sec	[16:40]
Zakorus123:	come to me im overeight pls	[16:43]
Zakorus123:	:P	[16:43]
Zakorus123:	got stuff thats not just boulders too	[16:43]
mircea_popescu:	im overweighterer than you could possibly be.	[16:44]
mircea_popescu:	drop it to ground towards me, come over, pick it up, that sorta thing	[16:44]
Zakorus123:	ok	[16:44]
mircea_popescu:	pretty cool name you know… zakorus kross	[16:45]
Zakorus123:	lol	[16:45]
Zakorus123:	ty	[16:45]
Zakorus123:	why cant i trade	[16:45]
Zakorus123:	lol	[16:45]
mircea_popescu:	drop it trade then pick up	[16:45]
Zakorus123:	ok	[16:46]
mircea_popescu:	lol check him out…	[16:47]
Zakorus123:	lol	[16:47]
mircea_popescu:	lemme calc this	[16:47]
Zakorus123:	me too	[16:47]
Zakorus123:	wow i just realized this is a lot to calc 1sec	[16:48]
mircea_popescu:	(98 * .34 * 60 + 39 * .32 * 73 + 59 * 59 * .3 + 95 * 58 * .34 + 42 * 87 * .13 + 47 * 79 * .35 + 49 * 67 * .24)1.15 + 1.3(34 * 159 * .12 + 20 * 141 * .12) = 10932.2505	[16:49]
Zakorus123:	ok then	[16:49]
Zakorus123:	ill trst u then	[16:49]
Zakorus123:	lol	[16:49]
mircea_popescu:	enjoy.	[16:50]
Zakorus123:	ty	[16:50]
mircea_popescu:	not bad for noob that never put money in huh.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman you pucking up this stuff ?	[17:01]
mircea_popescu:	hanbot also	[17:01]
diana_coman:	yes mircea_popescu I just finished making a us as I couldn't trade while making it	[17:03]
mircea_popescu:	kk.	[17:03]
mircea_popescu:	7+9+3 = 19mn.	[17:03]
mircea_popescu:	oh and was i getting wwb ?	[17:03]
mircea_popescu:	and ae ?	[17:03]
diana_coman:	only 192 gt? outrageous!	[17:03]
diana_coman:	auction was for 193!	[17:04]
mircea_popescu:	you want moar ?!	[17:04]
mircea_popescu:	nowai ?	[17:04]
mircea_popescu:	ow shit typo.	[17:04]
mircea_popescu:	dude… ill owe you one, next batch i make.	[17:04]
Zakorus123:	lol i dont think diana is a dude	[17:04]
diana_coman:	lol, k, let me sort this out and then will get wwb out	[17:04]
mircea_popescu:	Zakorus123 i use dude in a genderblind fashion	[17:05]
Zakorus123:	ok suuure	[17:05]
Zakorus123:	:P	[17:05]
Zakorus123:	<—– inciting an incident	[17:05]
Zakorus123:	XD	[17:05]
mircea_popescu:	danke!	[17:05]
Zakorus123:	what u call me?	[17:05]
Zakorus123:	danke?	[17:05]
Zakorus123:	wats that even mean	[17:05]
Zakorus123:	lol jk	[17:05]
Zakorus123:	heheheh	[17:06]
mircea_popescu:	what are you, pesto the goodfeather pigeon ?	[17:06]
Birdman:	lel animaniacs	[17:06]
mircea_popescu:	best cartoon evert.	[17:06]
Zakorus123:	XD	[17:06]
Birdman:	danke is german for thanks	[17:06]
Zakorus123:	i know	[17:06]
Zakorus123:	im just giving mircea a hard time	[17:06]
mircea_popescu:	for spanks.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu:	(one of my favourite things to say to german girls. "hey, is it true that danke is german for spanks ?" "o ja, in der deutschesprache we say spanks danke")	[17:07]
Zakorus123:	lolll	[17:08]
mircea_popescu:	16542.031.3*141=615451.746	[17:08]
diana_coman:	aha	[17:08]
Birdman:	diana_coman 6 bod?	[17:10]
Birdman:	1.95mn on the cs too mircea_popescu	[17:10]
diana_coman:	lol Birdman meanwhile I ate most of them up – I still have 3 at 223q	[17:10]
Birdman:	ill take em	[17:10]
mircea_popescu:	Birdman closed a while back	[17:10]
Birdman:	oh, dug	[17:10]
Birdman:	duh**	[17:10]
Birdman:	ill also buy that high quality tome you have	[17:11]
Zakorus123:	i gtg	[17:11]
diana_coman:	sure Birdman	[17:12]
diana_coman:	Birdman, you in town?	[17:19]
diana_coman:	just trade me	[17:20]
diana_coman:	nobody wants the goop? weird with all the interest in tools	[17:22]
mircea_popescu:	i got like 20k of my own.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu:	you wanna sell me something, sell me 1/4mn ibs, or the ltf.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu:	o btw diana_coman got sg ?	[17:24]
diana_coman:	lemme check	[17:24]
mircea_popescu:	i'd buy a stack even. and will need more wwb, and wpl, and ae and the basics.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu:	and eps. you got eps ?	[17:26]
diana_coman:	lol, I thought you were the lj	[17:26]
diana_coman:	some 250 sg	[17:26]
mircea_popescu:	i've not been able to move my fatass in ~3 months now.	[17:27]
diana_coman:	making more gt?	[17:27]
mircea_popescu:	if i can get the stuff for it i will yes.	[17:27]
Birdman:	on my way diana_coman	[17:27]
diana_coman:	well, thing is that in terms of money/minute I don't think it really pays to go mine wwb as such esp contrasting that with making bods for instance	[17:27]
mircea_popescu:	im kinda spent on tools for a while now ; making this wine and then some lbn i guess.	[17:27]
diana_coman:	or dt	[17:27]
mircea_popescu:	aha.	[17:27]
diana_coman:	anyway, want those 250 sg?	[17:27]
jurov:	diana_coman: i'll take the goop	[17:28]
diana_coman:	sure jurov	[17:28]
Birdman:	thinking i'd like to get high q cs bps from this nmgc, but so far its all been useless stuff so i may as well click a gumbo	[17:28]
diana_coman:	jurov, Birdman trade me	[17:29]
diana_coman:	on the weird side though mircea_popescu I got rather fond of exploring	[17:30]
Birdman:	what was it on the bod?	[17:31]
diana_coman:	Birdman, : 2.43.3588462+3(52000+1.82.23*29170)	[17:32]
mircea_popescu:	lol diana_coman	[17:32]
mircea_popescu:	in fairness, it improved drastically of late. as a mechanic.	[17:32]
diana_coman:	exactly	[17:33]
Birdman:	whats that 52k? blueprint cost or somethin?	[17:33]
diana_coman:	Birdman, yes, as always as last time and the time before that and etc	[17:33]
diana_coman:	enjoy!	[17:34]
Birdman:	thanks	[17:34]
Birdman:	are all blueprints of a line able to be looted from either apprentice or neophyte consids?	[17:35]
diana_coman:	jurov, are you taking that goop?	[17:36]
jurov:	you intown?	[17:36]
diana_coman:	yes	[17:36]
jurov:	coming	[17:36]
diana_coman:	ok	[17:36]
diana_coman:	thanks!	[17:39]
jurov:	thanks, too.	[17:40]
jurov:	now that bareback exploring was axed, it's time to teach grundinbot to craft	[17:41]
Birdman:	you just gotta find a good spot jurov	[17:50]
Birdman:	where i am i only find 2 light weight basics	[17:51]
jurov:	but now you get only one per tiny claim, no?	[17:51]
Birdman:	i always did before the change, but i think i might have noticed looting from a tiny	[17:52]
jurov:	how so? a week ago, i was consistently getting like 3 rr from an inerior lbn	[17:53]
jurov:	*inferior	[17:53]
jurov:	(quality 30)	[17:53]
Birdman:	well i didnt start getting tiny claims in general since level 200 gathering, past that i dont think i ever looted from a tiny	[17:55]
jurov:	not even barehand?	[17:56]
Birdman:	only recently started building tinie	[17:57]
Birdman:	tinies	[17:57]
jurov:	you missed the harvest :D	[17:57]
Birdman:	but when i did build them i never got loot	[17:58]
jurov:	not loot	[17:58]
jurov:	just some additional pieces	[17:58]
Birdman:	yeah thats loot	[17:58]
Birdman:	it probably shows a message in general chat right	[17:58]
jurov:	no message	[17:58]
Birdman:	weird	[17:59]
jurov:	it began when the locations were randomized, and ended with recent update	[17:59]
jurov:	now i get always only one piece from tiny + inferior lbn, quality same as before	[17:59]
jurov:	and less gathering exp (as i said above)	[18:02]
jurov:	but weird noone else noticed	[18:02]
danielpbarron:	i am ~more~ likely to loot extra units from a tiny since the update	[18:23]
Birdman:	only 116 beetle brew bps and 5 of some others q258	[18:25]
Birdman:	guess those are going for 300\% or not at all	[18:25]
Birdman:	diana_coman do you have any more tomes at all?	[18:26]
alikim:	so, barehanded exploration has been nerfed? I suddenly started getting about 10 times less materials than before	[18:28]
alikim:	from tinies that is	[18:29]
alikim:	well, I hope a t least it will change 115\% / 130\% markups	[18:48]
Birdman:	i havent noticed anything different really	[19:51]
alikim:	maybe at your level nothing changed, at my level this game just became less profitable than a bitcoin faucet	[19:59]
alikim:	not to mention that no activity is profitable anymore	[20:09]
danielpbarron:	alikim, when did it change for you?	[20:12]
alikim:	hard to tell about 24-48 hours ago	[20:12]
alikim:	I could pinpoint the time from logs ofc	[20:13]
alikim:	instead of getting 46 resources I started getting 4 and so on	[20:14]
danielpbarron:	ah, so maybe this wednesday's update did it	[20:14]
Birdman:	have you been ranking up your building?	[20:14]
zakorus123:	im out of the doctors and am home	[20:14]
zakorus123:	:)	[20:14]
alikim:	no	[20:14]
Birdman:	strange	[20:14]
danielpbarron:	well rank up your building..	[20:15]
alikim:	I know you get less amount for higher q and I have tables for all mats recording that	[20:15]
danielpbarron:	do what now?	[20:15]
alikim:	and they were concistent for the last couple of weeks and then it's just went down the gutter	[20:15]
zakorus123:	how u guys doin	[20:16]
danielpbarron:	so far you don't get enough for me to want to buy, and your price data is based on one player making an offer	[20:16]
Birdman:	i wanna know why my consid was q400+ maxed out numina over craft at q176, bod q233 DT q335 the bundle came out about q250	[20:17]
Birdman:	oh, and a token at q109	[20:17]
danielpbarron:	blueprint quality has nothing to do with bundle quality	[20:18]
Birdman:	wanted to do a test run and see if token quality effects bundle quality more than you think it should	[20:18]
Birdman:	yeah i know	[20:18]
danielpbarron:	apparently the reason for that is considerations have "built in" overcraft	[20:18]
Birdman:	huh? that just means you can use 1-999 numina	[20:19]
Birdman:	1 being its bv i guess	[20:19]
danielpbarron:	apparently 1 numina would still be overcraft	[20:19]
danielpbarron:	assuming everything is q 100 or w/e	[20:19]
Birdman:	so it should have 101.76998 extra ecu in bundle bv and the DT being q335 you'd think it'd be in the 300's	[20:20]
Birdman:	why?	[20:20]
Birdman:	is that just something known?	[20:20]
danielpbarron:	the bundle should be worth what went into it	[20:20]
Birdman:	yeah	[20:20]
danielpbarron:	was it?	[20:21]
Birdman:	probably could've checked	[20:21]
danielpbarron:	i did check on mine and it was	[20:21]
Birdman:	is bundle 10x consid bv?	[20:21]
danielpbarron:	idk that's always the case	[20:21]
Birdman:	ill pay more attention next time	[20:22]
Birdman:	barely leveling up from a whole days barehanding now	[20:36]
Birdman:	days and no ords too	[20:37]
mircea_popescu:	jurov> now that bareback exploring was axed, it's time to teach grundinbot to craft << just cuz you get less experience dun mean much – fewer costs to level. it loots the same.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron> i am ~more~ likely to loot extra units from a tiny since the update << small samples will do anything to you.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu:	and in eulora, small means < 10k or some shit.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron> i did check on mine and it was << always is, yeah.	[20:56]
danielpbarron:	well i didn't realize we were talking since yesterday..	[22:16]
danielpbarron:	i meant since the really big change a month ago or however long it's been	[22:16]
danielpbarron:	seeems like it takes more for me to rank up too	[22:17]
mircea_popescu:	ranking xp is not homogenous tho	[23:59]

mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 167 Ihoes, d32151 ea, 8,5mn heard hanbot ; 5 stacks LBN, q 339, 8,5mn heard hanbot ; 2 stacks cft, q 157, 7mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 ART	[03:09]
Zakorus123:	hey guy	[03:47]
Zakorus123:	s	[03:47]
Zakorus123:	im back	[03:47]
Zakorus123:	had some stuff to deal with	[03:47]
diana_coman:	Birdman, one at 56q	[03:47]
Birdman:	i'll buy it i suppose, gotta monetize some stuff first though so ill get back to you	[03:47]
diana_coman:	sure; I still have some high q ones too if you prefer, let me know	[03:48]
Birdman:	will do	[03:49]
Zakorus123:	what do i use petrified feelings for?	[04:11]
mircea_popescu:	used in some crafts.	[04:14]
Zakorus123:	ok good to know	[04:15]
Zakorus123:	is tpf worth anything?	[04:16]
Zakorus123:	to anyone besides spriover	[04:17]
mircea_popescu:	tpf ?	[04:18]
Zakorus123:	tinkerers petrified feelings	[04:19]
mircea_popescu:	ah. they aren't really selling atm. maybe demand catches up.	[04:19]
Zakorus123:	ight ill just sell em to spirover i get too much of them anyway	[04:19]
diana_coman:	Zakorus123, why not leave them in storage?	[04:39]
Zakorus123:	i decided to do that	[04:39]
diana_coman:	spirover is likely to give you 0 on them anyway for low q	[04:39]
Zakorus123:	they werent low quality tho	[04:39]
Zakorus123:	he gave me 3 copper each	[04:39]
Zakorus123:	on the ones i sold	[04:40]
diana_coman:	so what craft did you get those from?	[04:40]
Zakorus123:	i kept like 300	[04:40]
diana_coman:	I gather it's not from making cft	[04:40]
Zakorus123:	it is	[04:41]
Zakorus123:	q12	[04:41]
diana_coman:	aha; so then you could probably use some higher q bps to get higher q thread and fewer of those if they are a problem	[04:41]
Zakorus123:	didnt know	[04:41]
Zakorus123:	lol	[04:42]
mircea_popescu:	aren't they 10 copper base ? q12 should net you 1 c each neh ?	[04:42]
diana_coman:	yeah, there's something weird there	[04:42]
mircea_popescu:	spirover likes feelin's ? :D	[04:42]
Zakorus123:	odd	[04:42]
Zakorus123:	or it could be abug :P	[04:42]
mircea_popescu:	how many did you sell how much copper did you get actually ?	[04:43]
diana_coman:	spirover is selling them for 2c, so I really doubt he paid 3 for them	[04:43]
Zakorus123:	allrighty not sure then	[04:43]
Zakorus123:	maybe i sold more than i thought i did	[04:43]
diana_coman:	Zakorus123, just check in your chat log	[04:43]
Zakorus123:	ok	[04:44]
mircea_popescu:	yeah it prolly paid 1.	[04:44]
mircea_popescu:	this is the problem at low q, low bv items : electron rounds, what a player might have paid 1.3 for it pays 1 for, you lose out.	[04:44]
Zakorus123:	yeah i got 6argents and 1 coppers from the 601 tinkerers petrified feelings	[04:45]
mircea_popescu:	right, 1 ea	[04:45]
Zakorus123:	sorry got confused	[04:45]
mircea_popescu:	in other news : i'm hatching a large batch of aw, will auction later.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman moar leather btw ?	[04:46]
diana_coman:	I am working on it mircea_popescu ; atm I have only about 600 or so, I'd assume you'd prefer a bigger quantity, right?	[04:46]
diana_coman:	next batch is for you though, indeed	[04:47]
mircea_popescu:	only want it about late wed/early thu	[04:47]
diana_coman:	should have a few k by then I'd say	[04:47]
mircea_popescu:	coo.	[04:47]
diana_coman:	now gotta figure out what I can pay for those ihoes	[04:47]
diana_coman:	ugh	[04:47]
mircea_popescu:	o right	[04:48]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 167 Ihoes, d32151 ea, 8,5mn heard hanbot ; 5 stacks LBN, q 339, 8,5mn heard hanbot ; 2 stacks cft, q 157, 7mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 ART	[04:48]
mircea_popescu:	24mn… should help with my MOTHERFUCKING TRAINER BILLS	[04:48]
diana_coman:	ahahaha, tell me about it: this high level gathering/building thing is not only a pain to level , but also EXPENSIVE	[04:49]
mircea_popescu:	yeah you know, one somehow gets this idea in their head… i guess from all other games or w/e, that skill say 10 is something.20, 50, 60! wow 60!.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu:	then you get used to what it costs when you're < 100, and holy shit.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu:	i want my inexpensive levelling back.	[04:50]
diana_coman:	aha, I'm also torn on those remark bundles electron is selling	[04:50]
mircea_popescu:	i think i spent 1bn when first introduced.	[04:50]
mircea_popescu:	fuck, if i go broke paying 30\% on high bundles, might as well give up.	[04:51]
diana_coman:	not to mention sizable ones…	[04:51]
mircea_popescu:	seems investment grade plutonium, really.	[04:51]
diana_coman:	hell knows if I'll ever even get a sizable claim but then if I get one how the fuck am I going to build it if not having the bundle basically	[04:51]
diana_coman:	doesn't seem like they'll be something one can do very soon	[04:51]
mircea_popescu:	ikr ? just looking at the recipes… gl getting anywhere NEAR q 200	[04:51]
mircea_popescu:	let alone that sort of margin	[04:51]
diana_coman:	on the other hand: which one will I get ffs and otherwise to buy one of each omg	[04:52]
diana_coman:	myeah	[04:52]
diana_coman:	anyways, 9mn on the ihoes so far	[04:52]
mircea_popescu:	myeah. maybe syndicate you know ? get 3 people to commit to buying 1/3 each, then deal is everyone gets the bundle they first find.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu:	sort of like a mining tontine.	[04:52]
diana_coman:	that cft stinks , I guess I should get some higher q one on the market judging by the interest in it	[04:52]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman i suspect what happens in miner practice is diminished returns ? ie, 7x 157 > 1k, that's enough for a small.	[04:53]
mircea_popescu:	i dunno, was explanation i found	[04:53]
diana_coman:	I suspect it's more that you know, not much cft going around at all otherwise	[04:53]
mircea_popescu:	possibly yeah, should defo try.	[04:53]
diana_coman:	there is certainly space for all sorts, I know I am choosing q of cft depending on what I am doing/after on each run	[04:54]
diana_coman:	but still	[04:54]
mircea_popescu:	truth is, something like 5mn base tool yields what, 20k finds or so ? that's 2 stacks of lbn and 2 stacks of cft right then and there ?	[04:54]
diana_coman:	anyway, won't bid on that, but kindly register the 9mn on the ihoes	[04:54]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 167 Ihoes, d32151 ea, 9mn heard diana_coman ; 5 stacks LBN, q 339, 8,5mn heard hanbot ; 2 stacks cft, q 157, 7mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 ART	[04:54]
diana_coman:	thanks	[04:54]
diana_coman:	the syndicate idea on bundles is not a bad one but trouble is: what do you do if one finds 2 before the other found even 1 as it were	[04:55]
diana_coman:	dunno	[04:56]
mircea_popescu:	tough tits.	[04:56]
mircea_popescu:	hence why it's an interesting deal.	[04:56]
mircea_popescu:	requires active miners obv.	[04:56]
diana_coman:	well, I'm not really into looking for tits basically, lol	[04:56]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[04:56]
diana_coman:	it's not only active	[04:56]
diana_coman:	I mean: looky, I think I have been the most active by a fair margin for quite long	[04:56]
diana_coman:	still: NO sizeable	[04:56]
mircea_popescu:	we all think this :)	[04:57]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron on the other hand got his sizeable	[04:57]
mircea_popescu:	i for instance think i mined more (by value) than danielpbarron	[04:57]
Birdman:	i have a theory one that	[04:57]
diana_coman:	but this is NOT by value	[04:57]
diana_coman:	this is about gathering	[04:57]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman so ? tool value!	[04:57]
diana_coman:	since that's how you get claims	[04:57]
mircea_popescu:	he bhs mostly iirc ?	[04:57]
diana_coman:	well, you can't possibly have mined more by tool value than him given that you have lower gathering skill, no?	[04:57]
diana_coman:	or do you have higher now?	[04:58]
Birdman:	danielpbarron got his making q200 enums, before the great quality drop, i think we were all getting things double than we should, so back then you probably had much higher chance to find remarks and sizables	[04:58]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman ah that's an interesting point, skill is definitive indicator here isn't it.	[04:58]
mircea_popescu:	Birdman nah, wasn't the case.	[04:59]
diana_coman:	Birdman, I was making q340 enums at that time, so what of it	[04:59]
Birdman:	no kiddin	[05:00]
diana_coman:	aha	[05:00]
diana_coman:	used them to get some huge q stuff nowadays	[05:01]
mircea_popescu:	pretty cool huh.	[05:02]
diana_coman:	yeah, unfortunately kind of a pain since it has to be manually done or otherwise they'd mix with the new enums which are some q147	[05:02]
mircea_popescu:	myeah. but hey – no payn, no gayn!	[05:03]
Zakorus123:	so whats new guys	[06:40]
Zakorus123:	hopefully were all having a good time	[06:41]
mircea_popescu:	hcb http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/aca81d64-d0c1-4003-9f55-f26779ed405d/	[08:01]
diana_coman:	aaand the most useless cons run ever: apprentice mcguyver cons -> cavemen bedroll, treebark mock-a-sillies, reed hauberk	[09:00]
mircea_popescu:	ouch.	[09:12]
hanbot:	mircea_popescu 9.5mn on the ihoes.	[12:36]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 167 Ihoes, d32151 ea, 9,5mn heard hanbot ; 5 stacks LBN, q 339, 8,5mn heard hanbot ; 2 stacks cft, q 157, 7mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 ART	[12:39]
alikim:	what is /tip ? I can not log in anymore, the last message I the client sends is /tip and then it crashes	[13:51]
diana_coman:	uhm, alikim that's something you changed, no?	[13:58]
diana_coman:	anyway: /tip is just for getting the tip of the day thing from server	[13:58]
diana_coman:	server replies with the message of the day and that is it	[13:59]
alikim:	ok, thanks, no I didn't change anything, was able to log a few hours ago but now it crashes	[14:01]
diana_coman:	server certainly did not change meanwhile; maybe check the size of the log files?	[14:01]
diana_coman:	esp if you used the log of the client to write data	[14:01]
diana_coman:	its logging facility crashes when they are some 10MB or so; if that's the case, just move/rename the old files and it should work	[14:02]
alikim:	mmm.. no	[14:02]
alikim:	unless that log was turned on by default I don't use it	[14:02]
diana_coman:	get some stack trace to debug where the trouble really is then	[14:02]
diana_coman:	how do you get data ?	[14:03]
alikim:	my own log	[14:03]
diana_coman:	kk; server did not change	[14:03]
alikim:	ok, thanks, I'll figure it out	[14:03]
diana_coman:	alikim, any more clues? I ran with foxy /tip and it's working fine	[14:38]
alikim:	yeah, it's definitely me	[14:39]
alikim:	figured it out – my inventory got almost full and inv update messages got so long, they exceeded printing buffer ;)	[14:52]
alikim:	over 10Kb message ;)	[14:53]
diana_coman:	ugh, those inv update messages are a pain	[14:54]
alikim:	which book improves the quality of resources you build?	[15:06]
alikim:	gives you "sortage" skill I guess?	[15:09]
diana_coman:	hm, knowledge so far goes that building skill improves quality of all resources you build	[15:09]
diana_coman:	and then specific skills seem to improve the quality of various resources	[15:10]
diana_coman:	sortage seems to improve basics	[15:10]
alikim:	foxy's scribblings on building, that one?	[15:11]
alikim:	so for the same q bits and same q ennumeration it will produce higher q mats?	[15:12]
danielpbarron:	alikim, http://danielpbarron.com/eulora-shop/	[15:13]
danielpbarron:	i have skill items for sale	[15:13]
alikim:	I'm not buying anything so far, just want to know answers to my questions	[15:15]
danielpbarron:	my shop might answer some of your questions	[15:17]
diana_coman:	like any other player's output, take with a grain of salt; for instance the description that Building "lets you build resource bundles in exploration markers" is not true – one can build fine without Building skill no problem	[15:20]
alikim:	I just want to know if there is a thing that can increase output q of mats from a tiny claim given the same q bits and same q ennumeration	[15:26]
diana_coman:	lol alikim definite and precise information like that is a rare thing indeed in eulora and a rather dangerous one to both claim and believe, that's the trouble there	[15:27]
diana_coman:	but off the hook, I'd say it's indeed the building skill you are after generically speaking and then specific skills (such as sortage) in addition	[15:28]
diana_coman:	and yes, building skill is given by Foxy's scribblings on building	[15:29]
alikim:	so people not willing to share precise info or is it really too hard to find out?	[15:29]
diana_coman:	it is mainly hard to find out precisely	[15:30]
diana_coman:	hence to claim in the absolute with total certainty that it is exactly x and nothing but x	[15:30]
diana_coman:	well, danielpbarron tends to talk in absolutes anyway, so maybe that's just me	[15:31]
alikim:	nah, look how elusive he is: "my shop might answer some of your questions"	[15:31]
alikim:	he's separation of himself from the world of noobs seems to be absolute, yeah	[15:33]
danielpbarron:	lol	[15:56]
danielpbarron:	good point, you can build without building; i should fix that	[15:56]
danielpbarron:	i feel like a noob compared to you alikim, in that your enthusiasm to modify the client code dwarfs that of mine	[15:58]
danielpbarron:	so what if i know whatever about how the server rewards actions; that changes often enough to dull my edge	[15:59]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron, core things do not change though	[16:02]
danielpbarron:	lol what is core	[16:08]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron, do you honestly consider that your playing experience is basically not worth much in terms as advantage over new players?	[16:13]
diana_coman:	strike that spurious "in terms"	[16:15]
danielpbarron:	my ranks are worth something; that's all	[16:17]
danielpbarron:	in the future i can sell even these	[16:18]
diana_coman:	if that's true, I suppose it makes eulora a very accessible game indeed	[16:29]
alikim:	what happens when you get dced ? the client tells you that with some info window? or does it close?	[17:17]
alikim:	or can it crash?	[17:17]
diana_coman:	do you mean disconnected alikim ? if yes: info window, yes	[17:24]
alikim:	yes, disconnected from the server, funnily enough I haven't had any of those yet	[17:37]
alikim:	don't turn the server off now! ;)	[17:38]
diana_coman:	lol	[17:47]
Birdman:	Diana_Coman_ interested in 289 q 138 ltf bps 200\% qabv?	[18:28]
Birdman:	also have 128 q138 io bps	[18:29]
Birdman:	mircea_popescu interested in 138 q108 tlc?	[21:21]
mircea_popescu:	sure why not.	[21:22]
Birdman:	150\%?	[21:22]
mircea_popescu:	aite.	[21:22]
Birdman:	245k and ill give 100 back	[21:24]
Birdman:	or i owe you 12k so call it 233k	[21:24]
mircea_popescu:	im short tho	[21:25]
Birdman:	its w/e	[21:25]
mircea_popescu:	there, good.	[21:25]
mircea_popescu:	cheers.	[21:25]
Birdman:	thanks	[21:25]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 167 Ihoes, d32151 ea, 9,5mn heard hanbot ; 5 stacks LBN, q 339, 8,5mn heard hanbot ; 2 stacks cft, q 157, 7mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 ART <<< sold, please to pick up!	[21:26]
hanbot:	whee. omw	[21:39]
mircea_popescu:	25mn even!	[21:40]
mircea_popescu:	enjoy!	[21:41]
hanbot:	ty	[21:41]
hanbot:	1440 weight lol	[21:41]
mircea_popescu:	ha	[21:42]
mircea_popescu:	little bits of nothing, but they add up	[21:42]
hanbot:	i think that's exactly how being a baglady goes.	[21:42]
Birdman:	Diana_Coman_ ill take that tome if you're around	[21:52]
Birdman:	alikim wanna do an hour long click for me for some ecu?	[21:52]
alikim:	sure	[22:00]
alikim:	where r u?	[22:01]
Birdman:	gotta wait to get an item from foxy	[22:03]
alikim:	ak kk then I'm going out to have lunch	[22:03]
Birdman:	no problem	[22:03]
alikim:	thought I might as well click fot an hour	[22:04]
Birdman:	yeah woulda been nice	[22:04]
alikim:	well maybe next time	[22:04]

mircea_popescu:	yeah but that's what i'm saying. the /unstuck command has a cure for that added.	[00:08]
alikim:	oh nice, I though it's about about being physically stuck	[00:55]
mircea_popescu:	was originally, but got all sorts of stuff tacked on over time.	[00:56]
alikim:	finally figured out what is that widget on my screen that looks like an empty black box hovering there all the time – ButtonHolder, what's that for?	[01:14]
mircea_popescu:	alikim nothing so far.	[01:51]
alikim:	kk, cool	[01:52]
diana_coman:	10 bod available, 223q, 109k each	[03:50]
diana_coman:	Birdman, mircea_popescu or anybody else ^	[03:51]
diana_coman:	ugh, wrong number ofc, correcting that: 10 bod, 223q, 169k each	[03:51]
Birdman:	whats their bv again?	[03:51]
diana_coman:	check the cookbook Birdman	[03:52]
diana_coman:	the formula is same: 52k+1.8*qabv	[03:52]
diana_coman:	where 52k is what I paid for the bps that go into making one single bod	[03:52]
Birdman:	ill take half of em	[03:53]
Birdman:	tomorrow work	[03:53]
Birdman:	?	[03:53]
diana_coman:	works, will keep 5 until tomorrow	[03:54]
Birdman:	thanks	[03:55]
Birdman:	server down?	[03:56]
diana_coman:	I'm on	[03:57]
diana_coman:	seems fine	[03:57]
Birdman:	weird	[03:57]
diana_coman:	danielpbarron, 4751 wpl at 404q available	[08:34]
danielpbarron:	wow how'd ya make that	[08:35]
danielpbarron:	how much for it?	[08:35]
diana_coman:	rounded at 5.5mn for all of it is fine	[08:36]
diana_coman:	it's 5350 at 130\% precisely ftr	[08:38]
danielpbarron:	how do you figure that?	[08:38]
diana_coman:	uhm, did I get the numbers wrong?	[08:39]
diana_coman:	lemme check	[08:39]
danielpbarron:	(1524.044751) = 2917494.08	[08:39]
diana_coman:	oh lol I wrote 6751	[08:39]
diana_coman:	and uhm,that's base value there you calc	[08:40]
diana_coman:	forgot the 130\%	[08:40]
danielpbarron:	so you want 3.8 mn?	[08:40]
diana_coman:	so rounded 4mn, sorry	[08:40]
danielpbarron:	what a rounding	[08:40]
diana_coman:	well, it's huge quantity+quality, but up to you really	[08:40]
danielpbarron:	yeahhh i'll take it	[08:41]
diana_coman:	I'm in town, it's ready, trade me when you want to	[08:41]
danielpbarron:	omw	[08:41]
diana_coman:	are you giving me 5mn?	[08:43]
danielpbarron:	whoops	[08:43]
diana_coman:	I don't mind, but..	[08:43]
diana_coman:	lol	[08:43]
danielpbarron:	ty	[08:43]
diana_coman:	enjoy	[08:43]
diana_coman:	are you still after more wpl or is that enough for you?	[08:44]
danielpbarron:	could prolly use more	[08:46]
diana_coman:	Daniel has got 0.01 BTC worth of Grotesque Sacrifice Token and assorted loot while unknown activity. <- congrats danielpbarron	[10:28]
diana_coman:	and lol @ unknown activity	[10:28]
danielpbarron:	yeah that wasn't much of a congrats; kinda like doing a remarkable	[10:30]
danielpbarron:	bundle was worth millions	[10:31]
mircea_popescu:	haha nice.	[10:39]
mircea_popescu:	the mysterious unknown activity.	[10:40]
mircea_popescu:	btw danielpbarron you picking up these cons ?	[10:53]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, any more pickaxes available/in the queue?	[11:12]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman actually yes.	[11:13]
diana_coman:	yay	[11:13]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 167 Ihoes, d32151 ea, opening 8mn ; 5 stacks LBN, q 339, opening 8mn ; 2 stacks cft, q 157, opening 7mn. eta 17:00 ART may 3rd.	[11:14]
danielpbarron:	mircea_popescu> btw danielpbarron you picking up these cons ? << ya	[11:55]
mircea_popescu:	im in town.	[11:56]
danielpbarron:	me too	[11:56]
mircea_popescu:	enjoy.	[11:57]
danielpbarron:	ty	[11:57]
jurov:	a mystery: why is first person view..ahem.. from the scrotch?	[15:10]
diana_coman:	bwahaha, must be where the camera is placed in 1st person view	[15:11]
diana_coman:	weird though indeed, just tried it on now	[15:12]
mircea_popescu:	crotch*	[15:13]
mircea_popescu:	it's an arbitrary setting in the model. where their "eyes" are.	[15:13]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, 8mn on the ihoes; 8mn on the lbn	[15:14]
diana_coman:	I have exactly have of the previous pickaxes remaining and I've been crafting too these days	[15:14]
mircea_popescu:	AUCTION : 167 Ihoes, d32151 ea, 8mn heard diana_coman ; 5 stacks LBN, q 339, 8mn heard diana_coman ; 2 stacks cft, q 157, opening 7mn. eta 17:00 ART may 3rd.	[15:15]
mircea_popescu:	you have exactly what ?	[15:15]
diana_coman:	exactly half*	[15:15]
mircea_popescu:	i dun recall what d they were total, like 10m ?	[15:15]
diana_coman:	about 15k dura each, about 120 tools, so more like 1.8mn, no? or is this an older set of pickaxes, I don't even recall	[15:17]
diana_coman:	I think you sold adzes last, not pickaxes	[15:17]
mircea_popescu:	nah were 667	[15:18]
mircea_popescu:	that much i recall	[15:18]
Birdman2:	diana_coman around for the bods	[16:03]
diana_coman:	right, 3 min	[16:04]
Birdman2:	I need to remember to thank zackorus for giving me back those enumerations instead of just throwing them on the ground	[16:07]
Birdman2:	i said, sarcastically	[16:08]
diana_coman:	he vanished somehow?	[16:08]
Birdman2:	no i just found some on the ground in town with my crafter mark	[16:09]
Birdman2:	thanks	[16:09]
diana_coman:	yw	[16:10]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[16:11]
diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, any bouq cons?	[16:12]
Birdman:	im interested as well, maybe hold an auction?	[16:12]
mircea_popescu:	nope. pretty much sold what cons i had.	[16:12]
diana_coman:	o.o not making any more cons at all?	[16:12]
mircea_popescu:	i will, but out of tokens and they're expensive and out of bod and it's expensive and on it goes.	[16:12]
diana_coman:	that's exactly why I'm asking about bouq cons: to get some supps to get tokens hopefully at a more reasonable price	[16:13]
diana_coman:	otherwise from my point of view, I was gladly staying out of bouq cons	[16:13]
mircea_popescu:	well, i sold to date what, 100+ cons altogether ? pretty much all i looted.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu:	will sell some more, but not right nao cuz im spent	[16:14]
mircea_popescu:	actually lemme look	[16:14]
mircea_popescu:	ALC 6 + 4 = 10 ; AMGC 11 = 11 ; ATC 12 + 10 + 5 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 30 ; AGC 2 = 2. 53 A's.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu:	NBC 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5 ; NLC 9 + 9 + 5 + 1 = 24 ; NMGC 12 + 5 + 1 = 18 ; NTC 9 + 9 + 5 + 1 = 24 ; NGC 5 + 1 + 1 = 7. 78 N's.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu:	131 altogether since end of feb (coupla months). that's 60 mn wortha clicks, shit's expensive what. gimme a break!	[16:25]
Birdman:	q89 bits get me q99 groceries and q87 basics	[17:00]
mircea_popescu:	so you;re well on the way to being a farmer eh	[17:33]
Birdman:	i guess so huh	[17:42]
Birdman:	diana_coman still have that low q tome?	[18:16]
Birdman:	1500 explores in an not even half weight capacity at this new spot!	[22:18]
Birdman:	plus two different types of groceries	[22:18]
hanbot:	mircea_popescu 8.5mn on the ihoes, 8.4mn on the lbn, 7mn on the cft.	[23:46]

diana_coman:	mircea_popescu, you probably mean Sunday, May the 15th in http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-official-may-auction-or-a-celebration-of-lifestyles/	[08:13]
lobbesbot:	Title: Eulora : Official May Auction, or a celebration of lifestyles! on Trilema – A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com)	[08:13]
alikim:	well, for what's it worth, I have released the kraken	[10:18]
alikim:	now, when it's plowing through the filed, I can finish my pathfinder module and data analysis tool	[10:22]
mircea_popescu:	diana_coman so i do hehe	[10:42]
mircea_popescu:	ty.	[10:42]
mircea_popescu:	what's it do alikim ?	[10:42]
alikim:	the bot? gathering data mostly	[10:48]
alikim:	for now	[10:48]
mircea_popescu:	cool.	[10:48]
alikim:	and resources ofc	[10:48]
alikim:	seems pretty stable so far, being 100\% message driven and stuff	[10:49]
alikim:	on one occasion I left it for about an hour and went to beach, when I came back I found it 30k units away from the world, walking to infinity apparently	[10:50]
mircea_popescu:	lol	[10:53]
alikim:	kinda funny how this world looks from afar, like the earth from space, shiny blue bubble, makes you wonder if there are other bubbles out there	[10:53]
mircea_popescu:	:)	[10:53]
alikim:	you need a partnership program, offer people to design and run their own worlds and share profits	[10:55]
mircea_popescu:	mno. people aspiring to gain control over the project need than.	[10:56]
mircea_popescu:	the correct way to do this is buy shares in s.mg. there will not be an alternative.	[10:56]
mircea_popescu:	obviously, people, being the ignorant, self-cocksucking, pretentious lot that they are will love to imagine otherwise ; and then i'll rape them raw, and then they'll be all amazed that a) nobody could have predicted and b) what a bad person is i.	[10:57]
alikim:	woof	[10:58]
mircea_popescu:	all this could have been avoided by carefully studying the history of bitcoin, understood in terms of "here's the list of decapitated bodies that used to be important people in their own mind", but of course people, being the ignorant, self-cocksucking, pretentious lot that they are won't put in the elbow grease.	[10:58]
mircea_popescu:	nevertheless, can start by looking who gavin andersen was, then what happened once mp said he's nobody.	[11:00]
alikim:	I'm all like look at the stars aren't they pretty, and you're like baam! cocksuckers, baam! rape you… xD all right I'm gonna go program something..	[11:00]
mircea_popescu:	alikim mind that i'm not necessarily talking to you.	[11:00]
mircea_popescu:	half the time i talk to invisible log readership, the posterity and so on.	[11:00]
hanbot:	meh i just finished the shittiest mining run evar, 15 tools not even halfway to overweight ;/	[20:08]
mircea_popescu:	o wow.	[20:09]
Birdman:	hanbot im around whenever for those tokens	[21:01]
hanbot:	Birdman i'm in town	[21:09]
Birdman:	thanks	[21:10]
hanbot:	gl	[21:10]
danielpbarron:	(21:25:42) >Daniel has got 0.01 BTC worth of Bird's Nest and assorted loot while building. Congratulations!	[21:59]
Birdman:	nice	[21:59]
Birdman:	ord?	[21:59]
danielpbarron:	for some reason the bot didn't record that one	[21:59]
danielpbarron:	small	[21:59]
danielpbarron:	2k at quality 722	[22:00]
Birdman:	you got 1mn from a small??	[22:00]
Birdman:	crazy	[22:00]
danielpbarron:	:D	[22:00]
danielpbarron:	last time it was 2 million from a small	[22:00]
danielpbarron:	(04:04:23) >Daniel has got 0.02 BTC worth of Bird's Nest and assorted loot while building. Congratulations! << last time	[22:00]
mircea_popescu:	pretty sweet.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu:	i've been clicking uberexpensive imp hoes all day but got bupkiss	[22:03]
mircea_popescu:	well, some flags and shit, but w/e.	[22:03]
alikim:	another weird thing: on a rare occasion, I start exploring and I get message 78 (action override to "idle") followed by 168 (cancel craft). Obviously I'm not crafting anything	[23:08]
alikim:	then for about 15 mins arcoss a few relogs sthe server tells me I can't explore because I'm already busy	[23:09]
mircea_popescu:	there's a special /unstick functionality to get out of that pit.	[23:10]
alikim:	I don't get stuck movement wise, I can't explore	[23:12]
alikim:	the server for some reason thinks I'm crafting	[23:13]
alikim:	my wild guess ofc	[23:13]

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