| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 167 Ihoes, d32151 ea, 8,5mn heard hanbot ; 5 stacks LBN, q 339, 8,5mn heard hanbot ; 2 stacks cft, q 157, 7mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 ART | [03:09] |
| Zakorus123: | hey guy | [03:47] |
| Zakorus123: | s | [03:47] |
| Zakorus123: | im back | [03:47] |
| Zakorus123: | had some stuff to deal with | [03:47] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, one at 56q | [03:47] |
| Birdman: | i'll buy it i suppose, gotta monetize some stuff first though so ill get back to you | [03:47] |
| diana_coman: | sure; I still have some high q ones too if you prefer, let me know | [03:48] |
| Birdman: | will do | [03:49] |
| Zakorus123: | what do i use petrified feelings for? | [04:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | used in some crafts. | [04:14] |
| Zakorus123: | ok good to know | [04:15] |
| Zakorus123: | is tpf worth anything? | [04:16] |
| Zakorus123: | to anyone besides spriover | [04:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | tpf ? | [04:18] |
| Zakorus123: | tinkerers petrified feelings | [04:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. they aren't really selling atm. maybe demand catches up. | [04:19] |
| Zakorus123: | ight ill just sell em to spirover i get too much of them anyway | [04:19] |
| diana_coman: | Zakorus123, why not leave them in storage? | [04:39] |
| Zakorus123: | i decided to do that | [04:39] |
| diana_coman: | spirover is likely to give you 0 on them anyway for low q | [04:39] |
| Zakorus123: | they werent low quality tho | [04:39] |
| Zakorus123: | he gave me 3 copper each | [04:39] |
| Zakorus123: | on the ones i sold | [04:40] |
| diana_coman: | so what craft did you get those from? | [04:40] |
| Zakorus123: | i kept like 300 | [04:40] |
| diana_coman: | I gather it's not from making cft | [04:40] |
| Zakorus123: | it is | [04:41] |
| Zakorus123: | q12 | [04:41] |
| diana_coman: | aha; so then you could probably use some higher q bps to get higher q thread and fewer of those if they are a problem | [04:41] |
| Zakorus123: | didnt know | [04:41] |
| Zakorus123: | lol | [04:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | aren't they 10 copper base ? q12 should net you 1 c each neh ? | [04:42] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, there's something weird there | [04:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | spirover likes feelin's ? :D | [04:42] |
| Zakorus123: | odd | [04:42] |
| Zakorus123: | or it could be abug :P | [04:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | how many did you sell how much copper did you get actually ? | [04:43] |
| diana_coman: | spirover is selling them for 2c, so I really doubt he paid 3 for them | [04:43] |
| Zakorus123: | allrighty not sure then | [04:43] |
| Zakorus123: | maybe i sold more than i thought i did | [04:43] |
| diana_coman: | Zakorus123, just check in your chat log | [04:43] |
| Zakorus123: | ok | [04:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah it prolly paid 1. | [04:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is the problem at low q, low bv items : electron rounds, what a player might have paid 1.3 for it pays 1 for, you lose out. | [04:44] |
| Zakorus123: | yeah i got 6argents and 1 coppers from the 601 tinkerers petrified feelings | [04:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | right, 1 ea | [04:45] |
| Zakorus123: | sorry got confused | [04:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news : i'm hatching a large batch of aw, will auction later. | [04:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman moar leather btw ? | [04:46] |
| diana_coman: | I am working on it mircea_popescu ; atm I have only about 600 or so, I'd assume you'd prefer a bigger quantity, right? | [04:46] |
| diana_coman: | next batch is for you though, indeed | [04:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | only want it about late wed/early thu | [04:47] |
| diana_coman: | should have a few k by then I'd say | [04:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | coo. | [04:47] |
| diana_coman: | now gotta figure out what I can pay for those ihoes | [04:47] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [04:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | o right | [04:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 167 Ihoes, d32151 ea, 8,5mn heard hanbot ; 5 stacks LBN, q 339, 8,5mn heard hanbot ; 2 stacks cft, q 157, 7mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 ART | [04:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | 24mn... should help with my MOTHERFUCKING TRAINER BILLS | [04:48] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha, tell me about it: this high level gathering/building thing is not only a pain to level , but also EXPENSIVE | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah you know, one somehow gets this idea in their head... i guess from all other games or w/e, that skill say 10 is something.20, 50, 60! wow 60!. | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | then you get used to what it costs when you're < 100, and holy shit. | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | i want my inexpensive levelling back. | [04:50] |
| diana_coman: | aha, I'm also torn on those remark bundles electron is selling | [04:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think i spent 1bn when first introduced. | [04:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | fuck, if i go broke paying 30\% on high bundles, might as well give up. | [04:51] |
| diana_coman: | not to mention sizable ones... | [04:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems investment grade plutonium, really. | [04:51] |
| diana_coman: | hell knows if I'll ever even get a sizable claim but then if I get one how the fuck am I going to build it if not having the bundle basically | [04:51] |
| diana_coman: | doesn't seem like they'll be something one can do very soon | [04:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | ikr ? just looking at the recipes... gl getting anywhere NEAR q 200 | [04:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | let alone that sort of margin | [04:51] |
| diana_coman: | on the other hand: which one will I get ffs and otherwise to buy one of each omg | [04:52] |
| diana_coman: | myeah | [04:52] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, 9mn on the ihoes so far | [04:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. maybe syndicate you know ? get 3 people to commit to buying 1/3 each, then deal is everyone gets the bundle they first find. | [04:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | sort of like a mining tontine. | [04:52] |
| diana_coman: | that cft stinks , I guess I should get some higher q one on the market judging by the interest in it | [04:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman i suspect what happens in miner practice is diminished returns ? ie, 7x 157 > 1k, that's enough for a small. | [04:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, was explanation i found | [04:53] |
| diana_coman: | I suspect it's more that you know, not much cft going around at all otherwise | [04:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | possibly yeah, should defo try. | [04:53] |
| diana_coman: | there is certainly space for all sorts, I know I am choosing q of cft depending on what I am doing/after on each run | [04:54] |
| diana_coman: | but still | [04:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | truth is, something like 5mn base tool yields what, 20k finds or so ? that's 2 stacks of lbn and 2 stacks of cft right then and there ? | [04:54] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, won't bid on that, but kindly register the 9mn on the ihoes | [04:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 167 Ihoes, d32151 ea, 9mn heard diana_coman ; 5 stacks LBN, q 339, 8,5mn heard hanbot ; 2 stacks cft, q 157, 7mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 ART | [04:54] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [04:54] |
| diana_coman: | the syndicate idea on bundles is not a bad one but trouble is: what do you do if one finds 2 before the other found even 1 as it were | [04:55] |
| diana_coman: | dunno | [04:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | tough tits. | [04:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | hence why it's an interesting deal. | [04:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | requires active miners obv. | [04:56] |
| diana_coman: | well, I'm not really into looking for tits basically, lol | [04:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [04:56] |
| diana_coman: | it's not only active | [04:56] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: looky, I think I have been the most active by a fair margin for quite long | [04:56] |
| diana_coman: | still: NO sizeable | [04:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | we all think this :) | [04:57] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron on the other hand got his sizeable | [04:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | i for instance think i mined more (by value) than danielpbarron | [04:57] |
| Birdman: | i have a theory one that | [04:57] |
| diana_coman: | but this is NOT by value | [04:57] |
| diana_coman: | this is about gathering | [04:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman so ? tool value! | [04:57] |
| diana_coman: | since that's how you get claims | [04:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | he bhs mostly iirc ? | [04:57] |
| diana_coman: | well, you can't possibly have mined more by tool value than him given that you have lower gathering skill, no? | [04:57] |
| diana_coman: | or do you have higher now? | [04:58] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron got his making q200 enums, before the great quality drop, i think we were all getting things double than we should, so back then you probably had much higher chance to find remarks and sizables | [04:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman ah that's an interesting point, skill is definitive indicator here isn't it. | [04:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman nah, wasn't the case. | [04:59] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, I was making q340 enums at that time, so what of it | [04:59] |
| Birdman: | no kiddin | [05:00] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [05:00] |
| diana_coman: | used them to get some huge q stuff nowadays | [05:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty cool huh. | [05:02] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, unfortunately kind of a pain since it has to be manually done or otherwise they'd mix with the new enums which are some q147 | [05:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. but hey - no payn, no gayn! | [05:03] |
| Zakorus123: | so whats new guys | [06:40] |
| Zakorus123: | hopefully were all having a good time | [06:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | hcb http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/aca81d64-d0c1-4003-9f55-f26779ed405d/ | [08:01] |
| diana_coman: | aaand the most useless cons run ever: apprentice mcguyver cons -> cavemen bedroll, treebark mock-a-sillies, reed hauberk | [09:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | ouch. | [09:12] |
| hanbot: | mircea_popescu 9.5mn on the ihoes. | [12:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 167 Ihoes, d32151 ea, 9,5mn heard hanbot ; 5 stacks LBN, q 339, 8,5mn heard hanbot ; 2 stacks cft, q 157, 7mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 ART | [12:39] |
| alikim: | what is /tip ? I can not log in anymore, the last message I the client sends is /tip and then it crashes | [13:51] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, alikim that's something you changed, no? | [13:58] |
| diana_coman: | anyway: /tip is just for getting the tip of the day thing from server | [13:58] |
| diana_coman: | server replies with the message of the day and that is it | [13:59] |
| alikim: | ok, thanks, no I didn't change anything, was able to log a few hours ago but now it crashes | [14:01] |
| diana_coman: | server certainly did not change meanwhile; maybe check the size of the log files? | [14:01] |
| diana_coman: | esp if you used the log of the client to write data | [14:01] |
| diana_coman: | its logging facility crashes when they are some 10MB or so; if that's the case, just move/rename the old files and it should work | [14:02] |
| alikim: | mmm.. no | [14:02] |
| alikim: | unless that log was turned on by default I don't use it | [14:02] |
| diana_coman: | get some stack trace to debug where the trouble really is then | [14:02] |
| diana_coman: | how do you get data ? | [14:03] |
| alikim: | my own log | [14:03] |
| diana_coman: | kk; server did not change | [14:03] |
| alikim: | ok, thanks, I'll figure it out | [14:03] |
| diana_coman: | alikim, any more clues? I ran with foxy /tip and it's working fine | [14:38] |
| alikim: | yeah, it's definitely me | [14:39] |
| alikim: | figured it out - my inventory got almost full and inv update messages got so long, they exceeded printing buffer ;) | [14:52] |
| alikim: | over 10Kb message ;) | [14:53] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, those inv update messages are a pain | [14:54] |
| alikim: | which book improves the quality of resources you build? | [15:06] |
| alikim: | gives you "sortage" skill I guess? | [15:09] |
| diana_coman: | hm, knowledge so far goes that building skill improves quality of all resources you build | [15:09] |
| diana_coman: | and then specific skills seem to improve the quality of various resources | [15:10] |
| diana_coman: | sortage seems to improve basics | [15:10] |
| alikim: | foxy's scribblings on building, that one? | [15:11] |
| alikim: | so for the same q bits and same q ennumeration it will produce higher q mats? | [15:12] |
| danielpbarron: | alikim, http://danielpbarron.com/eulora-shop/ | [15:13] |
| danielpbarron: | i have skill items for sale | [15:13] |
| alikim: | I'm not buying anything so far, just want to know answers to my questions | [15:15] |
| danielpbarron: | my shop might answer some of your questions | [15:17] |
| diana_coman: | like any other player's output, take with a grain of salt; for instance the description that Building "lets you build resource bundles in exploration markers" is not true - one can build fine without Building skill no problem | [15:20] |
| alikim: | I just want to know if there is a thing that can increase output q of mats from a tiny claim given the same q bits and same q ennumeration | [15:26] |
| diana_coman: | lol alikim definite and precise information like that is a rare thing indeed in eulora and a rather dangerous one to both claim and believe, that's the trouble there | [15:27] |
| diana_coman: | but off the hook, I'd say it's indeed the building skill you are after generically speaking and then specific skills (such as sortage) in addition | [15:28] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, building skill is given by Foxy's scribblings on building | [15:29] |
| alikim: | so people not willing to share precise info or is it really too hard to find out? | [15:29] |
| diana_coman: | it is mainly hard to find out *precisely* | [15:30] |
| diana_coman: | hence to claim in the absolute with total certainty that it is exactly x and nothing but x | [15:30] |
| diana_coman: | well, danielpbarron tends to talk in absolutes anyway, so maybe that's just me | [15:31] |
| alikim: | nah, look how elusive he is: "my shop might answer some of your questions" | [15:31] |
| alikim: | he's separation of himself from the world of noobs seems to be absolute, yeah | [15:33] |
| danielpbarron: | lol | [15:56] |
| danielpbarron: | good point, you can build without building; i should fix that | [15:56] |
| danielpbarron: | i feel like a noob compared to you alikim, in that your enthusiasm to modify the client code dwarfs that of mine | [15:58] |
| danielpbarron: | so what if i know whatever about how the server rewards actions; that changes often enough to dull my edge | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, core things do not change though | [16:02] |
| danielpbarron: | lol what is core | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, do you honestly consider that your playing experience is basically not worth much in terms as advantage over new players? | [16:13] |
| diana_coman: | strike that spurious "in terms" | [16:15] |
| danielpbarron: | my ranks are worth something; that's all | [16:17] |
| danielpbarron: | in the future i can sell even these | [16:18] |
| diana_coman: | if that's true, I suppose it makes eulora a very accessible game indeed | [16:29] |
| alikim: | what happens when you get dced ? the client tells you that with some info window? or does it close? | [17:17] |
| alikim: | or can it crash? | [17:17] |
| diana_coman: | do you mean disconnected alikim ? if yes: info window, yes | [17:24] |
| alikim: | yes, disconnected from the server, funnily enough I haven't had any of those yet | [17:37] |
| alikim: | don't turn the server off now! ;) | [17:38] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [17:47] |
| Birdman: | Diana_Coman_ interested in 289 q 138 ltf bps 200\% qabv? | [18:28] |
| Birdman: | also have 128 q138 io bps | [18:29] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu interested in 138 q108 tlc? | [21:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure why not. | [21:22] |
| Birdman: | 150\%? | [21:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [21:22] |
| Birdman: | 245k and ill give 100 back | [21:24] |
| Birdman: | or i owe you 12k so call it 233k | [21:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | im short tho | [21:25] |
| Birdman: | its w/e | [21:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | there, good. | [21:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheers. | [21:25] |
| Birdman: | thanks | [21:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 167 Ihoes, d32151 ea, 9,5mn heard hanbot ; 5 stacks LBN, q 339, 8,5mn heard hanbot ; 2 stacks cft, q 157, 7mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 ART <<< sold, please to pick up! | [21:26] |
| hanbot: | whee. omw | [21:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | 25mn even! | [21:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | enjoy! | [21:41] |
| hanbot: | ty | [21:41] |
| hanbot: | 1440 weight lol | [21:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | ha | [21:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | little bits of nothing, but they add up | [21:42] |
| hanbot: | i think that's exactly how being a baglady goes. | [21:42] |
| Birdman: | Diana_Coman_ ill take that tome if you're around | [21:52] |
| Birdman: | alikim wanna do an hour long click for me for some ecu? | [21:52] |
| alikim: | sure | [22:00] |
| alikim: | where r u? | [22:01] |
| Birdman: | gotta wait to get an item from foxy | [22:03] |
| alikim: | ak kk then I'm going out to have lunch | [22:03] |
| Birdman: | no problem | [22:03] |
| alikim: | thought I might as well click fot an hour | [22:04] |
| Birdman: | yeah woulda been nice | [22:04] |
| alikim: | well maybe next time | [22:04] |
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