| hanbot: | i'll bid 10m mircea_popescu | [00:08] |
| Birdman: | stone adze right? | [00:18] |
| diana_coman: | so basic tools fetch 250\% but improved ones don't? | [01:43] |
| diana_coman: | euloran weirdness of prices | [01:44] |
| Birdman: | no complaints | [02:13] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman i've at least 100 worn hoes if you want them? | [02:28] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, come to get the imp hoes | [02:28] |
| diana_coman: | neah, I have tons, but I think mp takes them, doesn't he? | [02:28] |
| Birdman: | omw | [02:28] |
| Birdman: | yeah just figured i'd offer you first since you won the imp hoe bps | [02:28] |
| diana_coman: | I still have more worn-out hoes than bps for imps | [02:29] |
| diana_coman: | sad | [02:29] |
| diana_coman: | enjoy! | [02:32] |
| Birdman: | thanks | [02:32] |
| Birdman: | hopefully i get a remark | [02:32] |
| diana_coman: | well, better a sizeable or ample if you are at it anyway | [02:33] |
| Birdman: | is an ample claim the one above sizeable? | [02:39] |
| diana_coman: | nobody really knows, since nobody ever got one | [02:41] |
| Birdman: | sweet | [02:41] |
| Birdman: | tool mining is awesome! | [03:02] |
| diana_coman: | heh | [03:02] |
| Birdman: | boom tlc ord | [04:18] |
| Birdman: | keep getting tpt ords too, but those aren't the ones im after | [04:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 270 SA d 15048, 10mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 | [09:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman yeah, stone adze. | [09:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman as the man said, that was zen, this is tao! | [09:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | damn this cooking's slow. | [13:11] |
| diana_coman: | hi wyrdmantis | [13:20] |
| wyrdmantis: | hi diana_coman :) | [13:20] |
| diana_coman: | are you back in game at all | [13:20] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [13:20] |
| wyrdmantis: | loggin now | [13:21] |
| wyrdmantis: | do you need some work? | [13:22] |
| diana_coman: | could do with a load of grass I guess or if you have time some long tinkering | [13:22] |
| diana_coman: | but I'd need to do some tests on that first | [13:22] |
| wyrdmantis: | i'll be here all the evening | [13:23] |
| diana_coman: | cool then; let me get some stuff out | [13:23] |
| diana_coman: | what rank do you have in tinkering? | [13:24] |
| wyrdmantis: | 6 | [13:24] |
| diana_coman: | not bad at all | [13:25] |
| diana_coman: | wyrdmantis, come to town and trade me | [13:26] |
| diana_coman: | that's just the test, go make it | [13:29] |
| diana_coman: | I need to see what q you get | [13:29] |
| wyrdmantis: | kk | [13:29] |
| diana_coman: | did you get some feelings too? | [13:32] |
| diana_coman: | you can keep the feelings, but just wanted to know the score | [13:32] |
| wyrdmantis: | ah | [13:32] |
| wyrdmantis: | no :( nothing else | [13:33] |
| diana_coman: | heh, it's actually not bad to get 4 braided threads out of 3 cft | [13:33] |
| diana_coman: | one min to calc | [13:33] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I think I need to get you first some longer tinkering run to up your skill a bit | [13:34] |
| wyrdmantis: | no problem | [13:35] |
| diana_coman: | accept on this and let me get out some grass for you to make threads | [13:35] |
| diana_coman: | trade me wyrdmantis | [13:39] |
| wyrdmantis: | diana_coman bot is acting weird, delay seems lagging | [14:01] |
| diana_coman: | perhaps your connection is lagging? | [14:13] |
| diana_coman: | unless you changed the bot, there is no other change really | [14:13] |
| diana_coman: | give it something like /bot craft 500 1000 M 99909990 | [14:14] |
| diana_coman: | so that it just keeps checking every second | [14:14] |
| diana_coman: | and it should be ok | [14:14] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman anything you need to smooth out making more imp hoes? | [16:11] |
| diana_coman: | a few tons of high q flotsam really and/or high q grass | [16:12] |
| diana_coman: | flotsam is the most direct and I get it myself but the thing is that if I run out of tools and/or cft it doesn't work | [16:12] |
| Birdman: | next i get to town ill see about the flotsam, i might have a few thousand | [16:12] |
| diana_coman: | could help | [16:12] |
| Birdman: | dont use tools on basic spots! | [16:12] |
| diana_coman: | it's usually not only basics really, they just come in and anyway, if you don't use tools, you basically don't get gathering xp that fast | [16:13] |
| diana_coman: | also logically I'd expect you actually get more overall with tools, but I haven't yet run the numbers so won't claim that directly | [16:14] |
| Birdman: | i've found a spot that has only two basics, 3 groceries, one mining, and one lumber, best so far on rare:basic | [16:14] |
| Birdman: | and i know, get almost no gathering exp from barehanding these days, but its still a crazy subsidy | [16:14] |
| diana_coman: | you say it's cheaper to get basics bh and I don't contradict that; question is whether it's also *faster* or not when you want large quantity | [16:15] |
| Birdman: | yeah true, the only difference in hit rates i ~really~ see is the chance of getting ords regularly with the tools | [16:16] |
| Birdman: | slightly faster using tools to hit the smalls/tinies, but its not crazy | [16:17] |
| Birdman: | the barehanding subsidy is best utilized by us high tier gatherers | [16:17] |
| Birdman: | i'm pretty certain i get significantly more building exp from claims i tool mined, have you noticed something like that? | [16:23] |
| diana_coman: | I don't really look either way and I did not log xp so I couldn't really say but my observation has been that I tend to get more out of tool-mined claims (as total output) | [16:28] |
| Birdman: | i just havent seen my farming bar jump like it just did from an ord in a long time, was almost an entire level | [16:30] |
| diana_coman: | ah, a ton of bms would probably be even better than the flotsam | [16:36] |
| Birdman: | im probably one of the least fit to make those, and i just sold my bms bps | [16:37] |
| wyrdmantis: | diana_coman staff ready | [16:38] |
| wyrdmantis: | stuff* | [16:38] |
| diana_coman: | yay wyrdmantis , what tink level are you at? | [16:38] |
| diana_coman: | wyrdmantis, trade | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | it's 8k, will keep track of the 2k | [16:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman> heh, it's actually not bad to get 4 braided threads out of 3 cft << sounds pretty epic huh. | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | well, it was 35q bct out of 200 cft | [18:23] |
| diana_coman: | 200q cft | [18:23] |
| diana_coman: | so overall 1080â\u0088\u00924*3*180*0.35 = 324, strictly speaking still a loss | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | did not even count the bp in there | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 270 SA d 15048, 10mn heard hanbot . eta 17:00 << sold, come pick it. | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman yeah but the thing is, multiple results erodes the cost basis of the bp in the craft | [18:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically you're only paying for 1/4 bp | [18:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | if your materials are say 150\% and your bp 500\%, you'd much rather put more load on the left and less on the right as it were. | [18:25] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, it's also kind of what one wants for stuff such as cft for instance: either you get tons of low q grass or otherwise oc the hell out of it hoping for more cft than you had grass for | [18:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah cause you have that option also, get your grass claim mined high or low. | [18:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | lotta optionality huh. | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | lots of ways to get into trouble, yeah | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [18:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman braided threads aren't 180 base neh ? | [18:30] |
| diana_coman: | that's why I multiplied by 3, was lazy to search | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 * 2 * 180 - 4 * ah ah i see | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, 3 * 2 * 180 - 4 * 540 * .35 = 324 | [18:30] |
| zakorus123: | hey guys | [22:33] |
| zakorus123: | anyone wanna trade 2mil copper for .02 btc? i dont think i need as much copper as i ahve | [22:33] |
| zakorus123: | at least not yet | [22:33] |
| zakorus123: | just saying i think i deposited too early | [22:34] |
| zakorus123: | maybe i should keep 500k tho | [22:39] |
| zakorus123: | so .015 for 1.5mil copper | [22:39] |
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