#eulora Logs for 12 Dec 2015



December 12th, 2015 by Diana Coman
mod6: im mowing [00:26]
mod6: gonna run out of threads soon tho [00:26]
mircea_popescu: so im cooking 146 [02:07]
mircea_popescu: and im tinkering q ~140.2682903 [03:46]
mircea_popescu: ie chetty stick 28337 [03:46]
DianaComan: mod6 don't you want to build some claims for me better? [04:01]
DianaComan: mircea_popescu cs are a way of evaluating q increase with more precision than 1 q point, aren't they? [04:02]
mircea_popescu: should be [04:02]
mircea_popescu: anywya, apparently mcguyver is hard. [04:03]
mircea_popescu: i got ~the same gung ho and mcguyver, but there's a 6 point diff in q output [04:04]
mircea_popescu: maybe it's just hard for me. [04:04]
mircea_popescu: tho on the basis of this i'd say im likely a better cook than toolsmith [04:05]
DianaComan: seems like most are better cooks than toolsmiths lol [04:36]
DianaComan: the easy art of cooking (as opposed to making tools) [04:36]
DianaComan: meanwhile I barely get 1 level up in building per DAY and that's the only one that makes a difference so far [04:37]
DianaComan: so it'll be a while it would seem until I get anything to some reasonable q again [04:37]
DianaComan: not even sure that by that time "reasonable quality" won't be higher, lol [04:39]
DianaComan: and otherwise re cooking I guess if you don't find that st we are screwed very soon anyway [04:39]
DianaComan: uhm, mircea_popescu my ordinary claim vanished when I built it ; I had just unlocked it prior to building so it's really weird [05:40]
DianaComan: guess will add it to the collection of anti-results on ordinaries, lol [05:43]
Birdman: I think eulora is better with more people [06:09]
Birdman: danielpbarron [06:09]
Birdman: i fell asleep or i would have [06:09]
Birdman: we'll get it done, ill run the macro to make some slags when you get up [06:10]
Birdman: Oh danielpbarron [06:13]
Birdman: ill sell you the flotsam at 87 per ive decided [06:13]
Birdman: considering they'll probably just sit there otherwise lol I guess the times of making 8k a click are over for now [06:14]
Birdman: if more noobs are coming im definitely buying all cs, and might even start back into leveling boq [06:37]
Birdman: with high gathering i can still out preform noob miners [06:38]
Birdman: because they would rely on their employer to have claims [06:38]
DianaComan: Birdman I have another 10 cs [06:56]
Birdman: i have copper for 10 cs [06:57]
DianaComan: so trade [06:57]
Birdman: you in town? [06:57]
DianaComan: yes [06:57]
Birdman: be there in 5 [06:57]
Birdman: gotta mine these claims or they disappear [06:57]
Birdman: how much each? [06:58]
DianaComan: 30k fine? [06:58]
Birdman: also, how much do the bps for cs go for? [06:58]
Birdman: yeah thats fine [06:58]
DianaComan: mhm, the bps are a pain to get, no idea exactly how to price them really [06:59]
Birdman: i get quite a few from making ppb [06:59]
Birdman: if i remember correctly at least [06:59]
DianaComan: well, atm I have [06:59]
DianaComan: so I'm not looking to buy , maybe someone else needs them, dunno [06:59]
DianaComan: I really don't know how to price them atm [07:00]
Birdman: no prob [07:00]
DianaComan: will be back in 5-10 [07:05]
Birdman: im here now if that works? [07:05]
Birdman: but i can wait its no big deal [07:06]
DianaComan: 2 min for the craft to finish [07:08]
Birdman: kk [07:08]
DianaComan: trade me now [07:09]
DianaComan: ah, drat, need 5 minutes more to mix them, sorry [07:10]
Birdman: np lol [07:10]
DianaComan: ok, finally [07:12]
Birdman: tyty [07:12]
DianaComan: enjoy [07:12]
Birdman: pretty excited [07:12]
DianaComan: I'm back on making more, lol [07:13]
DianaComan: as long as I have ingredients I'll keep making them now I suppose [07:13]
Birdman: cool cool keep me posted [07:13]
Birdman: i could also get the ingreds in bulk [07:13]
DianaComan: mhm, you mean toothpaste and ppb or what? [07:16]
Birdman: whatever it takes if it gets me lots of em [07:17]
DianaComan: that'd be best really, make me low q toothpaste and ppb [07:18]
DianaComan: since high q doesn't seem to be much around [07:18]
Birdman: ppb needs 77 sb right? and the tooth paste only takes sr? [07:18]
DianaComan: toothpaste has been changed so the bp on my site is not up to date anymore [07:18]
DianaComan: the ppb yes, 77 sb [07:19]
Birdman: ok, and i assume just paying 1.3 adjusting for q right? [07:19]
DianaComan: I can pay that, yes; you might prefer to auction the package, don't know [07:19]
Birdman: time will tell i guess [07:19]
DianaComan: I guess the sorest spot is the samovar really since st is still not found [07:20]
Birdman: i havent the slightest clue of costs for crafting [07:20]
DianaComan: I don't have a lot of it left [07:20]
Birdman: ah good point [07:20]
Birdman: i wasnt aware it needed st [07:20]
DianaComan: 1 st per samovar [07:20]
Birdman: <danielpbarron>death subsidy << so most people dont find anything while bare handed? [07:22]
DianaComan: I still find basics quite reliably bare handed [07:24]
Birdman: right, he said "then technically your tinies are free" as if it was specifically something that happened to me so i wasnt sure [07:24]
Birdman: next time you get your hands on some cs dan, try a few on the crabs with your other hand. Not sure if you figured out what hand your guy is better with, but you might surprise yourself [07:27]
DianaComan: they are still free, even if they don't happen to you only [07:27]
DianaComan: foxy is clearly a disaster with the left hand, lol [07:28]
Birdman: course, no penalty for death [07:28]
Birdman: left is the shield hand? [07:28]
DianaComan: or so I consider it, yes [07:29]
DianaComan: is that the one you use? [07:29]
Birdman: going by the picture, and no my guy's better with the default hand [07:29]
Birdman: sword hand [07:29]
Birdman: Im buying all tiny enumerations for supplications, 220 a piece ps sm wpl wwb eps and bn [07:33]
Birdman: thinks thats all of em [07:33]
Birdman: oh there's probably some rare sup ingreds too, ill buy em all [07:34]
Birdman: shit i forgot to train before using the cs [07:40]
Birdman: knew there was a reason i came back to the npc [07:40]
Birdman: thinking back, i dont think you mean one cs is equal to using 100 hoes, i think you meant its equal to 100 hoe uses [07:42]
Birdman: which makes these much less bad ass than i imagined at first [07:43]
Birdman: Need highest q grass, tpt, boulder, birds nest, deserted crabs, bbb, and pointed slags [07:49]
Birdman: Apparently on the derpy anarcho-capitalism group on facebook, there are a bunch of people getting suspicious one day old friend requests from people who are apparently themselves anarcho-capitalists lol total honey pot kind of thing, and rumors circulating about the admin working with law enforcement, banning people, and telling people not to talk about bitcoin. [07:59]
Birdman: Which is all i do, they all think the usg and all states are inherently bad, im the one screaming if you fix the money only fit rulers and good kings will come. usg doesnt get very far without its fake money [08:00]
mircea_popescu: yeawell. [08:01]
mircea_popescu: it is after all facebook. [08:02]
Birdman: mm, i didnt think it was something so note worthy, thats why i didnt waste -asset logs to say it [08:02]
Birdman: danielpbarron do something with your small dcs claims, taking up too much room for all these ords im getting ;) [08:03]
diana_coman: I did mean 100 hoe uses Birdman, thought I said that, lol [08:13]
diana_coman: + gave the numbers anyway [08:13]
Birdman: no prob [08:14]
Birdman: chetty sticks are teh shiz [08:15]
Birdman: id probably get a remark on grass if im 100\% for ords on something as hard as dcs [08:15]
Birdman: So, can i commision someone to get me high q ingreds? preferably for you to make me pointy slags mircea_popescu and whoever has the best building q to get me the rest [08:29]
mircea_popescu: didn't you want picks last ? [08:29]
Birdman: both really [08:30]
mircea_popescu: so are you buying them or not ? [08:31]
Birdman: yea [08:31]
danielpbarron: Birdman> id probably get a remark on grass if im 100\% for ords on something as hard as dcs << wtf. [08:35]
Birdman: im here to usurp your gather throne [08:36]
diana_coman: why don't you say how much you pay for what ingredients Birdman and then see if someone picks it up [08:36]
danielpbarron: man this sucks [08:36]
Birdman: ill pay 135\% on top of base value assuming its the highest q i can get, does that sound like something of a good deal? [08:37]
diana_coman: once again: on what? and what is "highest q I can get"? [08:37]
Birdman: <Birdman>Need highest q grass, tpt, boulder, birds nest, deserted crabs, bbb, and pointed slags [08:37]
Birdman: and whoever makes the highest q of those things [08:38]
diana_coman: well, basics + lumber would be mircea_popescu and I think he has a shop, right? [08:38]
danielpbarron: ah these are ingredients of crab ordinaries [08:38]
diana_coman: same for tinkering really [08:38]
diana_coman: so go and see, lol [08:38]
mircea_popescu: pre-qual drop yeah [08:39]
Birdman: i thought you were the miner to go to but i see [08:39]
danielpbarron: i really hope my character is left handed at this point [08:39]
diana_coman: you still have highest q even now though, don't you? [08:39]
diana_coman: I don't have mining (nobody has) [08:39]
mircea_popescu: probably, yeah [08:39]
Birdman: builder, w/e [08:40]
danielpbarron: has highest quality grass [08:40]
mircea_popescu: you'rew above 206 ? [08:40]
diana_coman: I have highest building yes, but that doesn't make it highest q overall Birdman [08:40]
Birdman: still havent entirely figured out the mechanics, bear with me [08:40]
danielpbarron: eh nevermind i'm not sharing my supergrass with this gathering usurper [08:40]
mircea_popescu: lmao [08:41]
diana_coman: ahahaha danielpbarron [08:41]
Birdman: props on being the best builder and tinkerer mircea_popescu, amazing to corner two lines like that [08:41]
Birdman: works both ways dan! [08:41]
danielpbarron: he's also best chef, mcguyverer [08:41]
danielpbarron: best bouq [08:41]
diana_coman: Birdman you still got it wrong, lol [08:41]
Birdman: jeeze [08:42]
mircea_popescu: im not the best builder, i just get the best basics and lumber i think [08:42]
danielpbarron: i'm gonna go try left handed gathering [08:42]
danielpbarron: with cruddy hoes [08:42]
Birdman: ill come up with what i need and let you know mircea_popescu [08:43]
mircea_popescu: either that or else ping me lots of times and forget about everything midsentence. [08:43]
mircea_popescu: your're here Birdman : http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-12-12.log.html#t02:22:23 [08:43]
lobbesbot: Title: #Eulora log for Saturday, 2015-12-12 (at logs.minigame.bz) [08:43]
Birdman: deal [08:48]
mircea_popescu: aite, im in town. [09:03]
Birdman: be on the way from across island in like 3 min [09:03]
Birdman: you wanna buy all the basic stuff i have now too? [09:03]
mircea_popescu: im baking cs, btw, so will have something like 100 or so for sale later today/tomorrow [09:03]
mircea_popescu: sure. [09:03]
Birdman: * birdman found 26 cdg @ 206q [09:07]
Birdman: i need to buy another crafting tabl [09:10]
danielpbarron: wait a minute, i don't get gathering points from left handed gathering [09:11]
danielpbarron: doesn't hurt me either [09:11]
Birdman: why would it hurt you if you have a tool in your hand [09:11]
Birdman: and im pretty sure it game me exp [09:11]
danielpbarron: well why wouldn't i get points [09:11]
Birdman: can you really tell from a few uses at 400+ gathering level? [09:12]
danielpbarron: i usually get the message on every use [09:12]
Birdman: oh its just not even saying you get practice points? [09:13]
Birdman: trade when ready mircea [09:13]
mircea_popescu: 50 * 13864 * 1.35 = 935820 [09:16]
mircea_popescu: 3505 * 75 + 5531 * 76 + 1576 * 147 + 215 * 64 + 468 * 60 = [09:17]
mircea_popescu: 956743 [09:18]
mircea_popescu: so 21k i owe [09:18]
mircea_popescu: cheers. [09:18]
Birdman: ty [09:18]
danielpbarron: i don't believe left handed gathering is a thing [09:19]
danielpbarron: i can't find flotsam [09:19]
danielpbarron: i get no experience [09:19]
diana_coman: danielpbarron I think it might be for characters that are left-handed basically [09:19]
danielpbarron: so would those characters not get points for trying to gather with a tool in their right hand? [09:19]
diana_coman: don't know really [09:20]
Birdman: huh, i think you're right about the no exp thing [09:20]
Birdman: so we're all right handed then [09:20]
Birdman: if we all have proven to be worse with off hand gathering [09:20]
danielpbarron: so then i just suck at gathering [09:23]
Birdman: may be the case [09:24]
Birdman: or im abnormally great [09:24]
Birdman: mp said he gets like 10 : 1 tiny small ratio [09:24]
danielpbarron: a little of both [09:24]
Birdman: compare to that i guess [09:24]
danielpbarron: foxy is also better than me it seems [09:24]
Birdman: that really does sucl [09:24]
Birdman: well figure out what your guy does exceptionally [09:25]
danielpbarron: carrying boulders [09:25]
Birdman: well it seems its time to do some investigating then daniel [09:25]
danielpbarron: you shut your smug mouth [09:26]
Birdman: hey, im trying to cheer you up [09:26]
mircea_popescu: o btw, selling boulders ? [09:30]
mircea_popescu: could use a few thousands [09:31]
diana_coman: danielpbarron foxy's not really good at anything yet either [09:33]
Birdman: i think i may just exclusively gather with cs [09:34]
diana_coman: then gather some slithy toves Birdman, lol [09:35]
Birdman: point me in the right direction ! [09:35]
danielpbarron: if you get 100\% ordinaries with sticks then yeah i'm out they're all yours [09:35]
Birdman: it seems that way [09:35]
diana_coman: Birdman, here a pointer for you -> see the raven's sayings on the matter [09:35]
Birdman: i see i see [09:36]
Birdman: I need 7 pointed and 1 sharp slag, 21 eps, 72 bn, 23 cdg, 8tpt, 9 flotsam, 16 wwb, 7 b, 49 dcs, 1 rr 1 sb, 7 beetles, 14 bbb [09:40]
Birdman: bear in mind i may still just be in that sweet spot. Before the update i got to the point where i started getting tinies again, and after it changed it was back to only smalls [09:42]
Birdman: you are also the only one to have a sizaeable, and who knows how much thats really worth? 50mil? 100mil? [09:42]
Birdman: you said the ingreds alone were staggering let alone the cost of them [09:43]
Birdman: i could get you a few thousand boulders next batch of cs [09:44]
Birdman: seems theres a break in the fence around the cemetary, and a gravestone in there [09:50]
danielpbarron: has been in the cemetary [09:51]
danielpbarron: and i'm guessing the gravestone has something to do with the ghost in there [09:51]
Birdman: well, greyhawk has the name of a bird, but i dont think he's(?) the raven [09:55]
Birdman: and i cant find that fountain, i think that had some bird in it [09:56]
diana_coman: lol Birdman, no, one event was with a raven which gave clues supposedly [09:57]
diana_coman: somebody asked about the st and the raven answered [09:57]
Birdman: oh, wellthen where do i find the ravens sayings [09:57]
diana_coman: so go through the records of that event and see if you can figure it out [09:58]
diana_coman: thinks Birdman can find an article on Trilema can't he? [09:58]
diana_coman: ftr the fountain had a fish anyway, lol; and it's gone, yes [09:58]
mircea_popescu: it wasn't really well optimized. just an early "poc" sort of thing [09:59]
mircea_popescu: too many polys killed the game for people wioth shitty drivers [09:59]
diana_coman: also Birdman I'll have 20 more cs in 5 minutes if you want them [09:59]
Birdman: think i found it [10:00]
Birdman: nvm [10:00]
Birdman: i do [10:00]
diana_coman: birdman trade [10:04]
Birdman: ah ran out of trilemma coin [10:07]
Birdman: trilema* [10:07]
danielpbarron: yeah right [10:29]
danielpbarron: more like you never had any [10:30]
danielpbarron: only costs a million coppers though [10:30]
Birdman: i had what was alloted at first lol [10:30]
danielpbarron: 5 per week [10:32]
Birdman: i have a hunch as to where the st are [10:33]
Birdman: if i can figure out these damn coords [10:33]
Birdman: yeah this ones tough for sure [11:02]
Birdman: congrats again diana_coman [11:09]
Birdman: danielpbarron i saw your claim full of high q bn [11:28]
Birdman: lemme get some [11:28]
danielpbarron: my what? [11:31]
danielpbarron: what size is the claim? [11:31]
Birdman: ord [11:31]
danielpbarron: huh [11:31]
Birdman: ordinary [11:31]
Birdman: or at least it said you created the claim [11:31]
danielpbarron: i had forgotten i had that [11:32]
Birdman: likw 250+q [11:32]
danielpbarron: neato [11:32]
Birdman: thinkin we need to make some bird stew from that raven [11:34]
Birdman: more and more i cant solve this riddle the more hungry i get [11:34]
danielpbarron: you mean birds nest and gin? [11:36]
Birdman: no [11:36]
Birdman: birds nests [11:36]
Birdman: like 300 of them [11:37]
Birdman: nearly 300 q too [11:37]
Birdman: you made the claim [11:37]
Birdman: maybe you dont own it now [11:37]
danielpbarron: what's the coord [11:38]
Birdman: no idea [11:39]
Birdman: yeah nothin i did made sense to find these fricken toves [11:52]
Birdman: is swarming grub something that has been found? [11:53]
danielpbarron: yeah [11:55]
Birdman: schucks [11:56]
danielpbarron: gonna see if i can make a working one [12:05]
danielpbarron: ah, just shy [12:09]
danielpbarron: nice loot though [12:09]
Birdman: nice [12:13]
Birdman: so what you people dont always get ords from cs? [12:14]
diana_coman: no Birdman, although it's always a "better" small at least [12:18]
Birdman: my experience has been that my claims yield the same regardless of the tool [12:18]
diana_coman: well, not mine, lol [12:18]
Birdman: fair enough [12:19]
Birdman: wow [12:32]
Birdman: i fell through the middle of the map [12:32]
diana_coman: lol, how is that exactly? [12:33]
Birdman: that pool in the middle, idk what else to call it [12:33]
Birdman: fell underneath it [12:33]
danielpbarron: *snor* [12:33]
Birdman: its all new to me dan! [12:33]
diana_coman: oh, yes, old news, lol [12:33]
diana_coman: so read the logs maybe? [12:33]
Birdman: maybe [12:34]
Birdman: i think greyhawk is hidin somethin good [12:35]
Birdman: gonna explore her(?) [12:35]
danielpbarron: she used to hand out free drinks [12:37]
danielpbarron: or he rather [12:37]
Birdman: i know [12:37]
danielpbarron: the block people in town are shes [12:37]
diana_coman: electron is a she?? [12:37]
danielpbarron: ah, my bad [12:52]
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ie chetty stick 28337 <<< 4 levels later, im making 28386 [13:34]
mircea_popescu: so like ~6\% of a point per level. [13:34]
mircea_popescu: BUT mcguyver q output is clearly increasing with level gain. you should make some toolks of some kind diana, and report. [13:35]
diana_coman: 22 mcguyver levels later AND 1 level higher in tink -> sticks at 22751 [13:48]
diana_coman: will do something else too later and report the new q [13:48]
diana_coman: it IS increasing indeed [13:48]
diana_coman: still working on clarifying how much exactly [13:48]
diana_coman: 1 mcguyver level even higher -> 22826q so 75q points on the stick it would seem [14:56]
mircea_popescu: well that's actually 6x what i get wtf. [14:59]
diana_coman: curious if it holds [14:59]
diana_coman: I suspect it doesn't, but will see [14:59]
diana_coman: (I'm still going through the stocks of ppb+ft) [14:59]
mircea_popescu: me 2. [15:00]
diana_coman: so uhm, now 23 points on the stick for another mcguyver level, lol [15:15]
diana_coman: not so sure one can tell that easily if there is some difference [15:16]
mircea_popescu: uh [15:17]
mircea_popescu: wait so 75 then 23 ? [15:17]
mircea_popescu: are hte datapoints messed up ? [15:17]
diana_coman: I'm keeping a close eye on it now precisely because it looks suspiciously [15:20]
diana_coman: maybe previously some sticks got mixed up [15:20]
diana_coman: also I noticed that the stick on which you rank up is actually the q you get after ranking up ? [15:21]
diana_coman: (which would explain some mess up) [15:21]
mircea_popescu: aha.\ [15:27]
diana_coman: ugh, I don't understand anything anymore, lol [15:36]
mircea_popescu: hm ? [15:37]
diana_coman: now I ranked up and the stick that ranked me up is the same q as before [15:37]
diana_coman: ... [15:37]
diana_coman: mk, let's see the next one... [15:37]
diana_coman: treating all previous data points as suspicious if not messed up entirely; closely monitored data points: tink at 473 throughout; mcguyver increasing from 251 to 254 meant increases in q points on cs of 17, 16, 17 [15:48]
mircea_popescu: still better than mine [15:49]
wywialm: hi, is an archlinux PKGBUILD planned? [15:49]
mircea_popescu: of courss, quite possible 140 and 111 not the same thing [15:49]
diana_coman: and yes, there is this weird thing with the q of the stick made when ranking up: either it's caused by the bot or dunno but now manually the stick was at q from previous level, while earlier it was at q from new level [15:49]
diana_coman: I suspect that's the reason really [15:49]
mircea_popescu: wywialm it's been discussed and someone was gohing to do it but hasn't happened yet. [15:49]
diana_coman: non-linearity basically [15:49]
wywialm: mircea_popescu, ty for the info [15:50]
mircea_popescu: can't get it to run ? [15:50]
wywialm: nope, jurov offered help but is away currently [15:52]
diana_coman: what os are you on wywialm? [15:52]
wywialm: archlinux [15:52]
diana_coman: and where did you get stuck? [15:53]
wywialm: at the beginning - i tried to find all the dependencies listed in Ubuntu section and couldn't find e.g. lib3ds-dev, libgl1-mesa-dev, liblcms-dev, libode-dev, zlib1g-dev (i tried googling without the -dev as well) [15:54]
wywialm: so i tried to run it on windows VM - however 3d is poorly supported on VMs and launch failed [15:55]
mircea_popescu: 28399 now, one more level. [15:56]
wywialm: (btw. there are probably some more Ubuntu dependencies not having an easily googleable counterpart in arch, however i gave up after i found a few) [15:56]
mircea_popescu: so i gained 13 this time. [15:57]
diana_coman: mhm, you basically need to figure out the name of the corresponding packages in archlinux; for instance the zlib1g thing is zlib iirc [15:57]
diana_coman: quite sure there is a zlib package for archlinux wywialm [15:58]
diana_coman: basically take it one by one, check what they are exactly in ubuntu and then how that thing is called in archlinux... [15:58]
diana_coman: aha, from 17/16 to 13 I'd say it's non-linearity [15:59]
mircea_popescu: you could also get the source and google for code snippets [15:59]
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure everything's packaged for arch too [15:59]
diana_coman: it is packaged, he just needs to find out the names of the packages basically [15:59]
diana_coman: another 16q points for 254-255 mcg [16:00]
diana_coman: curious if next one is 17 or remains at 16 and then it goes down to 15 etc [16:00]
diana_coman: wywialm you can do all the above with a few well-designed searches really [16:01]
wywialm: well, i guess i should try once more [16:03]
diana_coman: I think jurov said he'll be back tomorrow [16:04]
diana_coman: 17 again , so 17/16/17/16/17 for 251/252/253/254/255/256 [16:17]
mircea_popescu: weird that it goes under and then back over [16:30]
diana_coman: I suspect it's a kind of half point as it were so rounding [16:30]
diana_coman: and then...surprise, 23 wtf [16:31]
mircea_popescu: and now 28398 so it dropped [16:31]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah but if it were half point then it'd go one way not back again [16:31]
diana_coman: mhm, no [16:31]
diana_coman: say it's 10q first,then increases to 15.5 and gets rounded to 15; next level up is 15.5+5.5 = 21 so you get to see as diff now 6 while earlier 5 and then again 5 and again 6 [16:32]
diana_coman: makes sense? [16:32]
mircea_popescu: but would't you expect the 2nd bit is necessarily less than the 5.5 ? [16:33]
diana_coman: no, why? it's constant [16:33]
diana_coman: why shouldn't it ALWAYS be less? [16:33]
mircea_popescu: hm [16:33]
mircea_popescu: cuz of diminishing returns, on some level. [16:33]
diana_coman: my xp so far has been that it's really not something you can count on to see a clear pattern even at that level [16:34]
diana_coman: you get nothing for 10 levels and then you break free of some area and start growing steadily [16:34]
diana_coman: for instance [16:34]
diana_coman: *steadily* [16:34]
mircea_popescu: aha [16:35]
diana_coman: and then maybe you really get so much ahead that you see huge growth or...not, back to some stuck area [16:35]
mircea_popescu: well i destroyed yet another cfth [16:35]
diana_coman: and now back to my data: WTF [16:35]
diana_coman: lol [16:35]
mircea_popescu: 17/16/17/16/17/23 ? heh. [16:36]
diana_coman: yes, lol [16:36]
mircea_popescu: did you also level something else ? tinkering ? [16:36]
diana_coman: 22843, 22860, 22876, 22893, 22909, 22926, 22942 [16:36]
diana_coman: no [16:36]
diana_coman: still 473 [16:36]
diana_coman: throughout [16:36]
mircea_popescu: mjaybe you skill-popped [16:36]
diana_coman: lol [16:37]
diana_coman: I will run out of toothpaste before I figure anything out on this for sure [16:37]
diana_coman: actually no [16:38]
diana_coman: scratch that [16:38]
diana_coman: calc error, lolz [16:38]
diana_coman: 16 [16:38]
diana_coman: phew [16:38]
diana_coman: good that I wrote the numbers down again [16:39]
diana_coman: so it's calmly chugging along, 17/16/17/16/17/16 [16:39]
danielpbarron: you know i'm also mcguyvering this whole time [16:39]
danielpbarron: as are pretty much all other players besides wyrd [16:40]
danielpbarron: that's probably got something to do with it [16:40]
diana_coman: care to share some data danielpbarron? [16:40]
danielpbarron: i'm not making sticks so it's not helpful probably [16:40]
mircea_popescu: btw anyone got low q cr ? [16:40]
danielpbarron: been making studs, and they all come out the same quality no matter how i rank up [16:40]
diana_coman: it is helpful as increase in q points/increase in level [16:40]
mircea_popescu: i want a bunch of studs. you making to sell ? [16:41]
diana_coman: aha, know that thing: the advantage of cs is that you get to see the fractional increase basically [16:41]
danielpbarron: not sure yet [16:41]
danielpbarron: making to rank up [16:41]
mircea_popescu: aha. k [16:41]
danielpbarron: trying to get into the range where my sticks are usable [16:41]
danielpbarron: and probing to see if this is what i'm well suited to do [16:42]
diana_coman: and another 17 [16:51]
Birdman: danielpbarron can you sell me crafting table? [16:52]
Birdman: also i stumbled upon one of yours outside of town [16:53]
Birdman: Sell me your grass and birds nests [16:53]
danielpbarron: i can sell you a table [16:55]
danielpbarron: not that one [16:55]
danielpbarron: that one is sentimental [16:55]
Birdman: unconventional love, gotcha [16:55]
Birdman: gonna go get a sr ord and see what it needs for ingreds, since they are needed [16:57]
danielpbarron: heh i'm mcguyvering out in the field as i oversee my employee building spicy moss ordinaries [17:00]
danielpbarron: working very efficiently over here [17:00]
Birdman: nice nice [17:00]
diana_coman: Birdman http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/MiningRecipes.txt [17:06]
Birdman: ah, i made a little journal [17:07]
Birdman: cool though thats much better [17:07]
danielpbarron: ahh unicode within! beware! [17:07]
danielpbarron: oh huh, some remarkables need toolkit bundles :> [17:08]
Birdman: i see foxy also had the thought to explore at 0 0 [17:08]
diana_coman: ha ha, gotta move that nicely into the cookbook so I didn't bother to sort it out [17:08]
diana_coman: foxy has explored at all sorts of weird coordinates for that matter... [17:09]
Birdman: any thoughts on that riddle? [17:15]
Birdman: willing to pay 150\% bv on ingreds i need [17:19]
diana_coman: well, thoughts a plenty, so far st none (though since lumberjacks appeared, I left it for them :P ) [17:21]
diana_coman: found my molluscs [17:21]
Birdman: where are teh molluscs? [17:21]
diana_coman: I get highest on farming (grocery) stuff Birdman [17:22]
diana_coman: and molluscs are grocery [17:22]
diana_coman: on eulora? [17:22]
Birdman: ah, let me see what i need of groceries then [17:22]
diana_coman: atm "highest" in grocery is 135q [17:22]
Birdman: i guess i should figure out what the groceries tab encompasses.. [17:23]
Birdman: i know i need wwb [17:23]
Birdman: i think the only groceries i need are wwb and bbb [17:25]
diana_coman: look in someone's shop for easy ref [17:25]
diana_coman: let me know how much as I have both of those in quite ample supply and they should be around that q indeed esp wwb [17:26]
diana_coman: wpl, wwwb bbb lh tlc dm [17:26]
Birdman: ehh toss me 1k of wwb 500 bb and 500 tlc [17:28]
diana_coman: heh tlc is the sore spot [17:28]
Birdman: i figured [17:28]
danielpbarron: has the highest molluscs [17:29]
danielpbarron: although i think i'd want more than 150\% on them [17:29]
diana_coman: 10 min to finish this craft and will get back to you for the bbb and wwb [17:29]
Birdman: i dont think i need dm atm [17:29]
Birdman: kk [17:29]
danielpbarron: i also have the highest berries, and same goes for them [17:29]
Birdman: well what *do* you want [17:30]
diana_coman: actually that's a funny thing that daniel basically has an endless supply of molluscs at a quality waaay above what anybody else can really ever get basically [17:30]
danielpbarron: :D [17:30]
Birdman: why endless? [17:30]
diana_coman: aren't they for the tweeting? [17:30]
danielpbarron: i'm employed by S.MG to run some social media accounts [17:30]
diana_coman: tweet and get huge q molluscs, lol [17:30]
Birdman: oh shit lol thats all dan for sure [17:30]
danielpbarron: hey in base value it's like 10 bucks a month [17:30]
danielpbarron: and it's not just tweeting :p [17:31]
diana_coman: mhm, let me see what is 1k st at 80q then , lol [17:31]
Birdman: also in need of high q tpt and b, and dcs [17:31]
Birdman: those are pretty top priority for me [17:31]
diana_coman: for tpt mp, for the rest ...there is no such thing as high q, lol [17:32]
Birdman: i see [17:32]
diana_coman: I suppose I get the highest as highest building rank, but that's like 117 or something there [17:32]
Birdman: then thats what im after [17:32]
danielpbarron: heh i also have highest q tpt, idk why i keep commenting on this [17:35]
diana_coman: lol [17:35]
danielpbarron: i have like ridiculous quality tpt and stones [17:36]
diana_coman: are those from the altar /do you keep getting them? [17:36]
danielpbarron: they are from an auction way back [17:36]
diana_coman: ahhh, remember that, yes [17:36]
diana_coman: well, different though from the molluscs in that they are not renewable really [17:36]
Birdman: mr high q over here [17:37]
danielpbarron: talking like 50k quality though [17:37]
Birdman: maybe one day you'll find an ord to use it with! [17:37]
diana_coman: so then will let you settle it with daniel, lol [17:37]
Birdman: i dont think he's lookin to sell [17:37]
danielpbarron: yeah i'm not [17:37]
diana_coman: oh, just bragging? :))) [17:37]
danielpbarron: i paid way over base for these things [17:37]
diana_coman: so sell them way over base [17:38]
danielpbarron: i think that was the auction i won for a whole coin [17:38]
danielpbarron: i doubt they are worth as much in other players hands as they are in mine [17:38]
Birdman: a 50k tpt [17:41]
diana_coman: ftr full set of data points, quality on cs made at 473 tink throughout, for each level of mcguyver from 251 to 260: 22843; 22860; 22876; 22893; 22909; 22926; 22942; 22959; 22975; 22992 [17:41]
diana_coman: basically increase in q steadily alternating 16/17 [17:42]
danielpbarron: Birdman, you still need a crafting table? [17:44]
danielpbarron: i can make one real quick [17:44]
Birdman: yeh [17:44]
danielpbarron: where are yoy [17:47]
Birdman: wyrd tree [17:47]
Birdman: i just wanna build this sb ord and run the macro for ppb over night [17:48]
danielpbarron: make my flasks [17:50]
Birdman: how do you say, 'no' [17:50]
danielpbarron: lol [17:50]
Birdman: mp buys all ppb for like 4.5k [17:50]
Birdman: not sure how many sb i get from the ord but i assume itll be alot, and will enable me to get more cs from it [17:51]
danielpbarron: everyone's been mcguyvernig all day because of you [17:51]
diana_coman: the advanced version of mine grass/make cft = mine sb /make cs [17:51]
Birdman: good [17:52]
Birdman: i need more cs anyways [17:52]
danielpbarron: woh, a claim just dissapeared infront of me, right after i unlocked and emptied it [17:56]
danielpbarron: that was close [17:56]
danielpbarron: wtf [17:56]
Birdman: wow [17:57]
diana_coman: danielpbarron I had the same problem earlier this morning - just that I did not manage to empty it [18:03]
diana_coman: I reported it in the logs ftr [18:04]
diana_coman: Birdman, 500 bbb at 130q; 128 bbb at 140q; 1000 wwwb at 137q [18:07]
diana_coman: want them? [18:07]
Birdman: yeah [18:07]
diana_coman: kk, 2 minutes so I take them out [18:07]
Birdman: mining pool quick [18:08]
diana_coman: 50 tlc 132q [18:10]
Birdman: ok [18:10]
danielpbarron: what about lotus harlots? [18:10]
danielpbarron: i'd take those if you got 'em [18:10]
diana_coman: did he want any? [18:10]
diana_coman: oh, let me see [18:10]
diana_coman: Birdman, trade when ready [18:10]
Birdman: ill buy lh [18:11]
danielpbarron: psh [18:11]
Birdman: ffffuuuuuuck outta here gather peasant [18:12]
Birdman: did you run numbers for the price or should i? [18:12]
diana_coman: 1000Ã\u0097141Ã\u00971.37Ã\u00971.5+500Ã\u00971.3Ã\u0097197Ã\u00971.5+50Ã\u00971096Ã\u00971.32Ã\u00971.5 [18:13]
diana_coman: 590334 [18:13]
diana_coman: Birdman, ^ [18:14]
diana_coman: 128Ã\u00971.4Ã\u00971.5Ã\u0097197 [18:17]
diana_coman: 52953 [18:17]
diana_coman: 300 lh at 132q Birdman danielpbarron [18:18]
diana_coman: actually 343 [18:19]
danielpbarron: i'll pay 425k for the lot [18:19]
Birdman: hefty [18:20]
Birdman: might be passing on the lh [18:20]
diana_coman: 425k is about 1.3 Birdman; do you want them at 1.5 as you said or not? [18:21]
Birdman: im fine for now [18:21]
diana_coman: kk, danielpbarron you get them then [18:21]
danielpbarron: neato [18:21]
diana_coman: you around? [18:21]
diana_coman: danielpbarron, trade [18:22]
diana_coman: enjoy [18:22]
mircea_popescu: sooo anyone got low q cr ? [18:26]
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> heh i'm mcguyvering out in the field as i oversee my employee building spicy moss ordinaries << lmao win. [18:26]
diana_coman: those discovering gathering and mapping might find useful the set of resources + coordinates given at http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/resources.html Birdman [18:36]
Birdman: awesome thanks [18:37]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu the data collection ended for now at least (as going afk soon) basically consistenly 16/17, with 3 times 17 at the end (so possibly stabilising there for the moment, but hard to tell really) [18:37]
mircea_popescu: so the 23 just measurement error ? [18:38]
diana_coman: it would seem most likely, yes [18:38]
diana_coman: on the huge list of bot-features, I'll reluctantly (finally!) add a "data-collection mode" - no idea when I'll get around to do that [18:39]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, wanna buy some spicy moss? [18:43]
mircea_popescu: got plenty, but sure, i'll buy. [18:43]
danielpbarron: 100k? [18:43]
mircea_popescu: hm ? [18:43]
mircea_popescu: what's currently holding things is boulders, sr, flotsam, i also need grass... [18:43]
danielpbarron: i have 100k available [18:44]
mircea_popescu: wow well done [18:44]
mircea_popescu: sure, i'll buy it. [18:44]
danielpbarron: 14.7 mn as per your shop's quoted price? [18:44]
mircea_popescu: aha. [18:44]
Birdman: is waiting for ingreds for flotsam ord [18:45]
mircea_popescu: im in town [18:45]
mircea_popescu: looks for pops, only sees foxy 3x. whatcha do, mine all the ords ? [18:45]
diana_coman: Birdman I have some shed snakeskins too - you might find them useful for that flotsam ord lol [18:45]
Birdman: awesome ill take em [18:46]
diana_coman: mine are on crafting mircea_popescu - 203q bundles for those cs [18:46]
mircea_popescu: aha. [18:47]
diana_coman: kk Birdman, let me get back to town then pfft [18:47]
mircea_popescu: not bad tho, each bundle 20k overcraft, 3x 1mn loot... works. [18:47]
Birdman: shit [18:47]
Birdman: i actually woulda bought those lh [18:47]
Birdman: what the hell was i thinking [18:47]
diana_coman: looool Birdman [18:48]
diana_coman: is already amused at how each and every "pop" for foxy is at 0.01 as if to make sure it does not under any circumstances go beyond the very minimum, lol [18:49]
Birdman: any pops er good pops though [18:49]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, trade me [18:50]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha quality 7 ?! [18:50]
diana_coman: ah, did you finally get wyrd to build those claims? [18:51]
Birdman: heh noob mining [18:51]
mircea_popescu: pretty cool. [18:51]
Birdman: danielpbarron how much was the largest yield on that sm? [18:51]
mircea_popescu: so i got 64319 so far. [18:52]
danielpbarron: k trade again [18:53]
danielpbarron: should be all of it [18:55]
diana_coman: uhm, birdman wanted ss and lh and then he's gone [18:56]
mircea_popescu: i got a further 35681 [18:56]
mircea_popescu: and 300k so it checks out. cool deal thanks. [18:56]
diana_coman: ftr got 5 shed snakeskins (mining) at 117q [18:56]
danielpbarron: i also gave the 300k change [18:56]
danielpbarron: k, thank you and you're welcome! [18:57]
mircea_popescu: now get me just as much but of othejr stuff. boulders. sr. f. grass. let's go! [18:57]
mircea_popescu: cr too [18:57]
danielpbarron: heh [18:57]
mircea_popescu: and well done wyrdmantis man! [18:57]
danielpbarron: leveraging those molluscs [18:57]
mircea_popescu: nicely done. [18:57]
mircea_popescu: srsly tho, get me boulders and sr. it's what's keeping me from making sticks atm. [18:58]
mircea_popescu: lotsd and lots of sticks. [18:58]
diana_coman: found the st yet mircea_popescu? [18:59]
mircea_popescu: i've been craftin' and grassing mostly. [19:00]
diana_coman: grassing?? though you were on the lumberjack thing? [19:00]
diana_coman: thought* [19:00]
mircea_popescu: the q drop meh'd me out [19:01]
diana_coman: lol [19:01]
mircea_popescu: do you have cr btw ? [19:02]
diana_coman: only little and anyway it's not really that low q to make sense selling it as qi [19:03]
mircea_popescu: aite. [19:03]
mircea_popescu: oh, danielpbarron re Dec 03 20:12:33 <danielpbarron> it should be possible but i don't want to promise that << got a date for this ? [19:04]
danielpbarron: how about right now [19:10]
mircea_popescu: yay. [19:12]
mircea_popescu: hit me ? [19:12]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron +6mn was it ? [19:13]
danielpbarron: already paid that [19:14]
mircea_popescu: o you paid on receipt ? [19:14]
mircea_popescu: digs up logs [19:14]
danielpbarron: ya [19:14]
danielpbarron: heh [19:14]
mircea_popescu: yup so you did [19:15]
mircea_popescu: splendid and tyvm! [19:15]
mircea_popescu: o look i evenb have a shitton of io bps! [19:15]
danielpbarron: you're welcome [19:15]
mircea_popescu: 1k tm here i come. [19:18]
mircea_popescu: you wanted some of this diana_coman btw ? [19:18]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman any idea why the bot opens up the recipe window and says "empty ingredients list" instead of crafting ? [19:22]
danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78flUHslUH4 << not an official weekly release, but has anyone else seen this weird glitch? [19:23]
lobbesbot: Title: YouTube (at www.youtube.com) [19:23]
mircea_popescu: says video is private. [19:25]
mircea_popescu: possibly the 1.5s latency i see got something to do with it. [19:25]
mircea_popescu: wtf is this bns. [19:25]
mircea_popescu: 1.5 s ? srsly ? [19:26]
danielpbarron: should be unlisted, stupid youtube [19:26]
danielpbarron: i think it should work now [19:27]
mircea_popescu: yeah i see that on occasion [19:28]
mircea_popescu: so 120 io made in 4 hours. this 1k will take a while. [23:48]

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