| diana_coman: | danielpbarron I'll be around for a few hours from now | [04:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha! | [08:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | so just managed to mine a pure batch of 800 tpt! | [08:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | the secret to it is, short run. | [08:04] |
| diana_coman: | ha, well done | [08:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | whodda thunk it. | [08:05] |
| diana_coman: | it makes sense really | [08:05] |
| diana_coman: | as it doesn't accumulate I suppose | [08:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd have expected it accumulates more, which is why i didn't try it before. | [08:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | somehow i thought the error is per-run rather than per-step. | [08:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | but yeah, if it is per-step, the fewer the steps, the lower the chances to get a "slippery" one. | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | ah, no, per step as each step up the hill is shorter than the same down the hill | [08:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh anmd two ordinaries no less. | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | well done, maybe the moon is also turning around who knows | [08:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | oddly enough i am on a very slight incline | [08:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | but it doesn't seem to have moved even a whole pace, during ~8 hours. | [08:08] |
| diana_coman: | but tbh I noticed that spots that haven't been explored (or so I think) in quite a while, tend to throw ordinaries at you when you go there | [08:08] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [08:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | also tpt comes at 100/hr it seems | [08:08] |
| diana_coman: | ahahahah, the tpt speed today is 100/hr | [08:08] |
| diana_coman: | :))) | [08:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | :) | [08:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | and it costs me roughly speaking 1 cft and 1 lbn each, plus 300k in tools for 800. | [08:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | 180 * 1.55 + 11 + 300000/800 = 665 in base cost each. | [08:09] |
| diana_coman: | each tpt? omg | [08:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | BUT! and the important point here is - not only did i get 2 ordinaries now, but i got a remarkable yest etc. | [08:10] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [08:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | so it would seem to me, on the basis of all these piles of mining i've done the past coupla weeks, | [08:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | that if the "normal" run, without counting specials, you know ? is about 1/3 of what you spend, then you're actually making a [slight] profit. | [08:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | if it's below say 1/4, you're probably making a loss, depending how you value the skill gain. | [08:11] |
| diana_coman: | mhm | [08:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | in this case, i mine them at q190, making each tpt worth ~300. | [08:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | which means i'm almost at half return on the "normal" run, | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | what I can say is that indeed overall it seems that intensive mining is profitable mainly on the basis of ordinaries/remarkables etc (I think danielpbarron came with this theory at some point earlier) | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | on the other hand, I used to get grass runs always positive regardless of ordinaries | [08:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | and guess what : even counting the remarkables i got at 1mn each (i suspect they may well be worth more), over ~8 mn in mining costs i obtained ~11mn in results. | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | with the 3 cft strategy | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | so dunno really | [08:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | i haven't done any work with alt-smalls. been only doing 7s. | [08:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | kinda intend to continue because lj levels. | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | yes, that's why I got back to 7s too | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | to level farming | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | quite curious now how much I get on basic | [08:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | the incredible thing for me is q stayed 190 overnight. | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | seeing how I levelled up sortage and at the same time your q dropped | [08:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | with the grass, i used to leave it going at say 270, come back coupla hours later to ditch the product, q was 267 or somesuch | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | oh, you leveled up and the quality didn't move this time? | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | oh, never had that but then again I did not really mine basics, maybe it's only there | [08:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah damn i mine 193 | [08:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's just the large pile in inv that sinks it | [08:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | k gotta go drop stuff lol | [08:15] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [08:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | shame too, as my weight is only 121 | [08:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe yea | [08:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman you know the results of a 9999 5 1 7 run on the map are so great | [08:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's these THICK poles of claims like i'm building a bridge or some shit. | [08:15] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, yes, making patterns on that map is quite surprisingly fascinating | [08:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman any chance you add angular movement ? | [08:16] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, I can add it easily, but kind of still imprecise (that's why I left it out of releases so far although I used it myself) | [08:17] |
| diana_coman: | what do you have in mind exactly? | [08:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman you know, if there were polar coords i could make drawings :D | [08:17] |
| diana_coman: | :))) | [08:17] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, the easiest thing is to give waypoints really | [08:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | on phf's thing ? | [08:18] |
| diana_coman: | as in x1 y1 x2 y2 x3 y3 etc | [08:18] |
| diana_coman: | and then it points to x1 y1 first, goes until it passes that or is there, then turns to x2 y2 etc | [08:18] |
| diana_coman: | something like that? | [08:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman could work. | [08:19] |
| Birdman2: | diana_conman if you have any statistics for your \% hit rates for certain things id be very interested to hear | [09:02] |
| diana_coman: | conman lool Birdman2 I've published some on the blog, look in the posts with data | [09:45] |
| Birdman2: | i must crack you up huh :) are you talking about eulorum? or can i get a link | [09:46] |
| Birdman2: | mircea_popescu | [09:46] |
| Birdman2: | if you are interested in wpl enums id be happy to sell, but i just want to break even on them | [09:47] |
| Birdman2: | which would make them more than your advertised price | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman2 it's actually linked from Eulorum too: http://www.dianacoman.com/category/eulora/ | [09:50] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw eulorum is a wiki not a blog in any case | [09:50] |
| Birdman2: | ty | [09:52] |
| Birdman2: | how do i access screenshots? | [10:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | and yes making you acct right nao. | [11:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | haha, wd. | [11:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://dpaste.com/09PNY7V | [11:12] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: dpaste: 09PNY7V (at dpaste.com) | [11:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | once you're in ping me ima give you some starter stuff. | [11:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | and let me know if you manage to get phf to accept something, there's 1k wooly mushrooms with his name on them waiting for pickup because of the same work. | [11:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | why does apple suck so bad. | [11:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought it just worked. | [11:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | looks upon his 324 tpt and grins | [11:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | the 100/hr thing stands. | [11:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | it moved about 4 paces in 140 runs, too. not bad. | [11:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | hanbot hey, did you need a bunch of tpt for the cs packages ? | [11:17] |
| hanbot: | yeah lemme get a count | [11:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand lj is about halfway to level. so it's six hours per ding good god! | [11:18] |
| hanbot: | i'll buy 294 mircea_popescu | [11:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | on the positive score, your homebrew skill increased. | [11:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | a cool, i got that many! | [11:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | i also have some pps higher q if you want it hanbot ? | [11:21] |
| hanbot: | also lookin' for some almost wine ftr. ~250. 57x high q tpt would be great too. | [11:22] |
| hanbot: | oh pps | [11:22] |
| hanbot: | yes i do | [11:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite ima come to town then | [11:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i got 140 pps q152, which is the best we'll get until someone actually gets mining | [11:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | 294*159*1.92*1.25 + 140 * 262 * 1.53 * 1.25 = 182340.9 | [11:26] |
| hanbot: | ty | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | oooo, md is ALSO lumber innit! | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh joy of joys. | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | is going to go dig himself up some high q md to go dig himself up his tpt ord claims | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | which mostly need slag, md and eps! all of which i make myself! high quality! | [11:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | wooot. | [11:32] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu> aaand lj is about halfway to level. so it's six hours per ding good god! <- ha, that's not THAT bad, I had it 1 night per ding, lol | [12:16] |
| diana_coman: | like 8 hours | [12:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah | [12:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw you got any high q bbb ? | [12:43] |
| diana_coman: | hm, should have about 1k 130+ | [12:48] |
| diana_coman: | if that's high q, lol | [12:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | more like 200! | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news, 25 tries for md, 0 hits. | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | got a tiny on 26 | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | q196 md, just about pays for the 25 duds lol | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2 in 39 | [12:52] |
| diana_coman: | why not use a stick on this kind of things? | [12:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | well i dunno, i wanna try this out. | [12:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 in 49 | [12:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | 4 in 90 | [13:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is kinda exciting :D | [13:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | (i really only want 8 for my tpt ords, so). | [13:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | 5/131 | [13:09] |
| diana_coman: | sounds rather familiar, lol | [13:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's actually fucking profitable | [13:11] |
| diana_coman: | oh, due to your high q | [13:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | 131 * 187 / (5 * 1088 * 1.93) = 2.33 | [13:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess not profitable, but not really terrible either. | [13:12] |
| diana_coman: | arghhhh now moving sideways is not enough of a difference for the explore to work | [13:13] |
| diana_coman: | bs | [13:13] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha, so now my basics come out at 162 | [13:25] |
| diana_coman: | sortage increased by 10 levels -> q down by 20 | [13:26] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [13:26] |
| diana_coman: | I guess this is good proof that indeed mircea_popescu you probably fucked up the quality all by yourself | [13:26] |
| diana_coman: | congrats? | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | well the good news is that if this continues | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | we won't be needing noobs so much | [13:26] |
| diana_coman: | dunno, so far it just basically seems that no matter what I do, I still end up in the lousiest middle ground possible | [13:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | is everything you make like 130-160 q ? | [13:29] |
| diana_coman: | quite, yes | [13:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | 9/247 | [13:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman well yes but the thing is... you've been doing what, 5-6 different things ? so they all come out mediocre ? | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | what do you mean "no matter what i do". | [13:31] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, no, not really | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | but you got tinkering, tools, cooking, basics, farming, booq and lapidary ? | [13:31] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, it's rather: crafting, sortage and farming | [13:32] |
| diana_coman: | if you want to count them separately | [13:32] |
| diana_coman: | and I meant: if I try to increase sortage, then quality goes down on that | [13:32] |
| diana_coman: | if I try to increase tinkering than quality goes down on that; possibly bad timing dunno | [13:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | q 201 bundle! woots. | [13:32] |
| diana_coman: | anyways: grid exploring works fine, but since you got the hang of getting tpt I'd rather give this a few more days to see about the dots thing too at least | [13:34] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw lapidary hasn't budged even one single quality point in 10 levels up | [13:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, sounds reasonable. | [13:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | wow. | [13:35] |
| diana_coman: | I'll still grind down all the tables whatever | [13:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's a little bizarre as i've been doing ~0 crafting | [13:36] |
| diana_coman: | but you know, it's not for lack of banging it repeatedly / doing "too many things at once" | [13:36] |
| diana_coman: | as I said: foxy is an idiot | [13:36] |
| diana_coman: | truly | [13:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean, i can see why mining'd be doing not so well - i'm churning millions through it | [13:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | but crafting i've not been doing. | [13:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe daniel's punching it | [13:36] |
| diana_coman: | but you know what? while you were crafting, I was building ALL THE FUCKING TIME | [13:36] |
| diana_coman: | and so what? | [13:36] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [13:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | mmm | [13:36] |
| diana_coman: | maybe | [13:36] |
| diana_coman: | well, building + exploring, but somehow I don't think I was building less than you were building on eps and tpt | [13:37] |
| diana_coman: | less than you on grass, yes; but not on tpt and eps | [13:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah i was thinking mostly of the grass period | [13:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | these last few days i've been doing lumber, nah, not SO much build volume | [13:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | but lots of gathering | [13:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, once i'm done with these ordinaries i'ma move to hoeing for WM | [13:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | as i don't think anyone weants anymore tpt or eps ? do you ? | [13:39] |
| diana_coman: | I'm fine for now on those two | [13:40] |
| diana_coman: | I'll need to make more tables before I need any more, lol | [13:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | hit accept lol | [13:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | and eeenjoy. | [13:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol nubbins sleekily moving towards an unclear direction | [13:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman what's wm ord again ? do ytou know ? | [14:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahaha check it out : google knows. because https://twitter.com/eulorian/status/672586143184068609 | [14:02] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Eulorian Elder on Twitter: "In which I prepared 5 ordinary bundles: 2 wooly mushroom and 3 widow's whisp berries. Had a noob build them. #Eulora https://t.co/lFV5qXQnuu" (at twitter.com) | [14:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [14:09] |
| diana_coman: | just wait nubbins and you'll be ok again | [14:16] |
| diana_coman: | btw, do you want to do a few craft runs for me to get some bps? | [14:16] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu Ordinary Wooly Mushroom 1 Pointy Clump of Slag 4 Shed Snakeskin 6 Shiny Rock 2 Better Bitterbean | [14:17] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron last call for the rastrums, closing in 42minutes | [14:18] |
| diana_coman: | if you have them in inventory, they will be there when you log back in | [14:27] |
| diana_coman: | you can store them too if you prefer but you don't need to | [14:27] |
| diana_coman: | just don't leave them on the table | [14:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news, diana_coman : 196 | [14:28] |
| diana_coman: | lj? is that news? | [14:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | well was 193 prev. | [14:28] |
| Birdman2: | seems i cant explore anywhere, says i cant explore in the same place twice no matter where i am | [14:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | /unstick | [14:29] |
| diana_coman: | that your q in lj increases by 3 or so for every level is rather old news | [14:29] |
| Birdman2: | ty | [14:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaaand 3k tpt | [14:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | which totally saves the run. | [14:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | (3718 * 1.98 + 732 * 1.93) * 159 = 1395129.6 in 8 ordinaries (with q201 bundles) | [14:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | so about 175k base value each. | [14:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | except, if it hadn't been for the last one, it'd be ~45k each over 7. | [14:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima move to wm now. and thinking about it... i think ill mine the smalkls with 1 low q cft. | [14:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | who wants q 199 wm ? ands how many ? | [14:43] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman> danielpbarron last call for the rastrums, closing in 42minutes << i only needed them for whatever Mircea has plans for | [15:03] |
| diana_coman: | good as the auction finished 3 minutes ago anyway, lol | [15:03] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu you around to collect the rastrums? | [15:03] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> aaaand 3k tpt << i guess i could use some of it | [15:04] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> who wants q 199 wm ? ands how many ? << me! all of it | [15:04] |
| diana_coman: | oh danielpbarron are you around/do you still want that slag and srs? | [15:05] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [15:05] |
| diana_coman: | ok, give me 5 minutes to take it all out | [15:06] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron trade | [15:11] |
| diana_coman: | 2068Ã\u0097677Ã\u00971.55Ã\u00971.25+1633Ã\u0097454Ã\u00971.55Ã\u00971.25 | [15:11] |
| diana_coman: | 4,148,997 | [15:11] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [15:13] |
| danielpbarron: | and thank you | [15:13] |
| diana_coman: | what q do you craft nowadays? | [15:14] |
| danielpbarron: | 141 | [15:15] |
| danielpbarron: | been 141 for weeks now | [15:15] |
| diana_coman: | you mean while levelling up in tinkering ? | [15:15] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah | [15:15] |
| diana_coman: | hm | [15:16] |
| diana_coman: | I had something similar - a kind of plateau thing; broke out of it very recently really | [15:16] |
| danielpbarron: | you're not doing 155 anymore? | [15:17] |
| diana_coman: | no, it's 157 on pure tinkering | [15:17] |
| diana_coman: | and I'm still levelling up in tinkering too while grinding down my turning wheel anyway | [15:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | 16/335 wm. | [15:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | could be worse. | [15:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | (335 * 187 + 16 * 11) / (16 * 780*1.99) = 2.52951456 factor. | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie 10\% worse than tpt | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | 33/883 | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron there's not going to be an all of it, ima dig up 1mn if it comes to it. | [17:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | doesn't believe in this nickle and dime shit ; /me believes in crocodile approach to life. | [17:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | 51/1389 | [18:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | 0.047761194 ; 0.037372593 ; 0.036717063 heh. | [18:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i'm just a shade above the third. | [18:49] |
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