| Birdman: | diana_conman: it depends on the output, i probably wouldnt want to for anything less than 20\% gross on the loot | [01:25] |
| Birdman: | my tinkering is very low, i think it produces in the 20 | [01:25] |
| Birdman: | though i will mine for you if you want at 10\% gross per small 20\% profit per ord | [01:27] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu I have 1600 srs at 155q for sale; also 2k slag at 155q; I'll take the bird's nest at 206q yes | [01:51] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman I'm ok to give you 10\% of built stuff if you use your own input (threads /whatever the ord takes) | [01:52] |
| Birdman: | lol | [01:52] |
| diana_coman: | my terms are 10\% if it is a pop really | [01:52] |
| Birdman: | if you want i can mine you a few so you can see the numbers we're working with | [01:53] |
| Birdman: | itd be just payment for my mining, all else is your own overhead | [01:53] |
| diana_coman: | and the xp is what? | [01:53] |
| diana_coman: | but yes, we can make a trial run possibly tomorrow when I get to hang around more | [01:54] |
| Birdman: | what about the xp? that you lose? | [01:54] |
| diana_coman: | yes, that I lose and that you gain | [01:54] |
| diana_coman: | esp for ordinary | [01:54] |
| Birdman: | thats what turns into the loot, idk how you calc the exp from it, but if you find a way just add to to cost | [01:54] |
| Birdman: | to somehow put it in terms of cp | [01:55] |
| diana_coman: | how is the xp "what turns into the loot2? | [01:55] |
| diana_coman: | no, there is xp + loot | [01:55] |
| Birdman: | thats the over craft right? your level is too low to use all the exp so it generates the loot to fill in for the loss | [01:55] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, not quite | [01:55] |
| diana_coman: | the xp is NOT the overcraft, no | [01:56] |
| Birdman: | im always game to hear how it all works | [01:56] |
| diana_coman: | you get some xp for all the value you put in regardless of how much overcraft you have (even if you have none in fact) | [01:56] |
| diana_coman: | even if I do an undercraft, I STILL get xp | [01:56] |
| diana_coman: | the two are unrelated | [01:56] |
| diana_coman: | so: I put in 10k coppers, I get some xp for that in whatever it is I am doing | [01:57] |
| diana_coman: | then separately, overcraft = value of output - value of input | [01:57] |
| Birdman: | but your level cant generate a quality item equal to the amount of base value * quality of the ingredients input, to to make up for the loss it goes into loot? | [01:57] |
| diana_coman: | and that may come out in the form of loot | [01:57] |
| diana_coman: | kind of, in the sense that it is not direct/exact - it goes in loot according also to luck and whatever else goes on in there, but essentially yes | [01:58] |
| Birdman: | right thats what i figured, or at least thought it was part of. Input value with rng comes out loot | [01:59] |
| Birdman: | but i was always under the impression the two were directly related | [01:59] |
| diana_coman: | the amount of xp is related to the total value of what goes in, but not to loot directly | [02:00] |
| diana_coman: | you get more xp (from what I can tell) if you put in higher value basically | [02:00] |
| diana_coman: | but that doesn't come out of loot or something | [02:00] |
| diana_coman: | that's why even if I don't get as much loot (as I have lower overcraft due to my higher quality of building) I'd get the same amount of xp (as far as I can tell) as you basically | [02:01] |
| diana_coman: | when using the same input ingredients | [02:01] |
| Birdman: | anyways, however you can translate xp value into coppers isnt something i can tell you, but when you do its just part of the overhead | [02:01] |
| Birdman: | for mining that claim | [02:01] |
| diana_coman: | lolz mk | [02:01] |
| Birdman: | yeh, ill be around most of the day tomorrow, keep me posted | [02:04] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman> mircea_popescu I have 1600 srs at 155q for sale; also 2k slag at 155q; << i want these | [02:07] |
| Birdman: | those reg tools give me tinies | [02:18] |
| Birdman: | seemingly exclusively | [02:18] |
| Birdman: | oh also as far as the crafting goes diana, i doubt id even want to do it at 20\%, probably more costly to run my computer overnight to macro it | [02:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | god damned i leave it overnight to tpt it gets 500 tpt and 900 bbb | [08:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | birdman everything's arbitrary. the difference between s.mg arbitrarily saying "this is what this is worth" and you arbitrarily saying the same is that s.mg has a lot more mone yto back its arbitrary up, which is how capitalism works. as to the general point. but more to the particular, i dun think ima bid in auctions unless auctioneer undertakes some risk, generally speaking. no pain, no gain! | [08:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | <diana_coman> my terms are 10\% if it is a pop really << ftr when i went mining with grenadine we split products by cost proportion. | [08:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron> diana_coman> mircea_popescu I have 1600 srs at 155q for sale; also 2k slag at 155q; << i want these <<< i don't. i want to make my own srs because ft is cooking and i want to feed it high q to economize on samovars ; and i want low q slag. | [08:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | why the fuck do i get 8:5 more things from grocery than lumberjack! | [08:54] |
| mod6: | is there an auction today? | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah | [12:32] |
| mod6: | ah, ok | [12:32] |
| mod6: | thought I aught to checkin on that :] | [12:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | :p | [13:05] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron diana_coman> mircea_popescu I have 1600 srs at 155q for sale; also 2k slag at 155q; << i want these <- danielpbarron you around to get them? the usual 125\% nothing more | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu <diana_coman> my terms are 10\% if it is a pop really << ftr when i went mining with grenadine we split products by cost proportion. <- how is that? I don't get it | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu danielpbarron> diana_coman> mircea_popescu I have 1600 srs at 155q for sale; also 2k slag at 155q; << i want these <<< i don't. i want to make my own srs because ft is cooking and i want to feed it high q to economize on samovars ; and i want low q slag. <- ....... you said you wanted exactly slag and/or srs, hence my pinging you on them | [16:47] |
| diana_coman: | ftr re rastrums: given 7 bubbles at 45mn, maximum 225 rastrums out of one table, loot consisting basically in a few rastrum designs (didn't even get 10k of them or something) which have base value ...132coppers and even ignoring the additional costs (one us per table being main one): 45mn /7 /225 = 28500 current cost of making 1 single rastrum | [17:05] |
| diana_coman: | still, out of pure curiosity, I'll put on the block some rastrums as soon as I figure out the base value, since it seems to have mysteriously changed somehow: I had previously taken it as 1457 and now it further "improved" to 1329 apparently so I really don't know | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | calculating it based on minimum ingredients it seems to be around 1329, so I'll use that: I'm offering 22 ensconced rastrums of 150q, 22*1.5*1329 = 43857; I'll close this auction on 7 December 2015 at 20 GMT | [17:23] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron mircea_popescu anyone else interested in rastrums ^ | [17:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman way it worked was i put in the sticks and she mostly did the threads, and then we averaged cost | [17:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme see maybe it's in the logs | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-11-18.log.html#t05:44:45 there | [17:43] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Wednesday, 2015-11-18 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [17:43] |
| diana_coman: | aha, sounds like a rather reasonable starting point at least; will have to get some more experience with this I suppose as I haven't really done it more than occasionally so far | [17:43] |
| diana_coman: | is reading | [17:43] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu I'll take the tpt and bird's nest whenever convenient | [17:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically on the average stick small i put in the 20202 for the stick, and she the 7 * 180 * 2.0x grass, coming to a total say 22785 so she'd get like 11\%ish | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | alrighty ima come to town | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | this god damned bot i have no fucking idea why but i leave it WAY the fuck into tpt territory, i come back it mined 90\% BBB and it's WAY the fuck in bbb teritory. | [17:45] |
| diana_coman: | it covers different ground back vs forth | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | right now i have 96 tpt 500 sm 300 bbb and at no point would it have had ANY CHANCE to even get out of tpt | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah but i mean... | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | HUGELY different | [17:46] |
| diana_coman: | it depends a lot on whether it's up or down etc | [17:46] |
| diana_coman: | is it flat ? | [17:46] |
| diana_coman: | or uphill? | [17:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's slightly inclined | [17:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | the bitch is that i tried it facing both ways | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: I saw how walking goes sometimes uphill it will not even consider it being enough to allow you to explore again | [17:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | and it ALWAYS ends up in the grass. | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | sucks; guess I'll make another update with a grid pattern that's more reliable | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | since meanwhile I figured out finally how to make it move sideways ffs | [17:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | a ? | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, it was in there, but had to dig up through a ton of shit to find it | [17:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | ill pay 100k on your rastrums | [17:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | tho now i don't recall what i wanted them for. | [17:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | some book most likely | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | the books | [17:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | the 1-200 books require 11 rastrums each | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | and got that; current bid 100k | [17:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's not fucking clear what books are even worth, but i do know i'd gladly pay 100k for lj books ffs. | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | what level have you got so far? | [17:50] |
| diana_coman: | (I'll upload a bot version with the grid pattern tomorrow hopefully) | [17:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | 32 | [17:51] |
| diana_coman: | aha, painfully slow isn't it? | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | at least your q keeps going | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | up I mean,lol | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | 188 atm | [17:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | curious if i'll breach 200 or not. | [17:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | that'd be far out, seeing how same building and sortage > 300 gives me 200 q in basics | [17:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | well 205 to be precise but anyway | [17:53] |
| diana_coman: | I still get something like 160 on grocery and I have farming 56 so... | [17:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe lumberjacking is what i was born to do | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | either lj is your talent or farming is foxy's anti-talent | [17:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | certainyl doesn't regret blowing 25mn on those scones | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | or both | [17:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman on the basis of the sortage thing i am moreover convinced i'm talented. | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I don't regret not blowing them either, lol | [17:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | incidentally, any noob want 50k high sr to make me a bunch of low q slag ? | [17:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman in town | [18:01] |
| diana_coman: | 1 sec | [18:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | so bn and tpt ? | [18:02] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [18:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite trade me. | [18:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1500 * 1.83 * 1.25 * 159 + 1928 * 1.99 * 1.25 * 71 = 886077.65 | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty | [18:06] |
| diana_coman: | thank you! | [18:06] |
| diana_coman: | yay, I can grind the wheel down now, lol | [18:06] |
| diana_coman: | btw re sortage thing, I think you forget something there | [18:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm ? | [18:07] |
| diana_coman: | namely the fact that you actually used to get quality at 280 in fact with same building + sortage >300 | [18:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | try 360 | [18:07] |
| diana_coman: | it's only when others started catching up that you lost q | [18:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | and sortage wasn't that high yet either | [18:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think i drove it down myself really | [18:07] |
| diana_coman: | how is that? | [18:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mined a lot | [18:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | 191 now btw | [18:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | lj level gave me +# | [18:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | +3 | [18:08] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, +3 in lj and - 9 in sortage? | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [18:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | something like that lol | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | I thought you actually mined a ton even before selling the sortage books but it was only after that you lost q; but you know what happened there | [18:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | not really, iirc that was kinda pre-bot | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | looks at all this q190 tpt and grins. | [18:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw diana_coman you still want more or had enough ? | [18:32] |
| Birdman2: | i could craft mp, whats the offer? | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | you buy the sr and deliver the slag ? | [18:33] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, I think I had enough for now mircea_popescu; might get more later at higher q anyway | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman curious how high i can get it. | [18:33] |
| Birdman2: | how much per sr | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | 125\% | [18:34] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman2 I wanted to say re crafting: I'm not interested in the loot really, but in finished products, hence the whole 10\% or 20\% or whatever is rather irrelevant, as things are much simpler: just buy the ingredients, craft and keep whatever loot you get, sell the ouput, that's all | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | an' you get the same for your slag. | [18:34] |
| Birdman2: | yeah but that might run at a loss for me, but ill see whats up | [18:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | unless it's really low. what q do you tinker at Birdman2 ? | [18:35] |
| Birdman2: | low, i think ~20-30 | [18:35] |
| Birdman2: | or no, 45 | [18:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then you buy the sr at 100 ea and sell your slag back at 700 ea. | [18:36] |
| Birdman2: | going to look at the ingreds it takes now | [18:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc it was 5 sr 3 f ? or maybe 5 f 3 sr | [18:36] |
| Birdman2: | ah i dont even have a bp for it | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | you can have a bp for free lol. | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, the truly epic thing here is that q200 wm are worth like > 1500 just on the base alone. probably the best use of lbn yet. | [18:39] |
| Birdman2: | sweet | [18:39] |
| Birdman2: | im in town now | [18:39] |
| diana_coman: | <mircea_popescu> anyway, the truly epic thing here is that q200 wm are worth like > 1500 just on the base alone. probably the best use of lbn yet <- how many hits to get a tiny wm? | [18:40] |
| diana_coman: | as that's the real cost in fact | [18:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, if i get say 1 in 8 regular hoe hits it's even on tinies. | [18:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | but seeing how these past 2 days i spent 120 imp hoes (like 4mn or so) and got TWO remarkables... | [18:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | aside the half dozen ords i've not dug up yet and whatever tpt and stuff i sold you, what was it, like 1.5-2mn so far ? | [18:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman2 so the slag bp is 5 f 3 sr. | [18:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | you got any way to get f ?! | [18:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [18:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | "mp i'm in town... for 1.5 minutes..." | [18:55] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, you got 2 remarkables on wm? | [19:02] |
| diana_coman: | that's ...remarkable | [19:02] |
| diana_coman: | wonder-lumberjack, lol | [19:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | nono | [19:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1 sm 1 tpt | [19:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | i haven't been mining wm yet | [19:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | god damned.... so i try it across this time | [19:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | the order is 9999 30 1 7 | [19:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 passes later (so try 120ish) it's HALF WAY up the fucking hill. | [19:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | it moved forward 15 paces in 3 passes. | [19:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought it wqas supposed to slide back not forward | [19:24] |
| danielpbarron: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-12-06.log.html#t21:45:22 << /me is here (paging diana_coman ) | [21:10] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Sunday, 2015-12-06 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [21:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | whoa seems i discovered cr | [21:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | got an ord too | [21:52] |
| Birdman2: | ill buy the ingreds and bp for 3 of the slags to see margins | [22:22] |
| Birdman2: | mircea_popescu | [22:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | you can't buy the ingredients, as i dun have the flotsam. | [22:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | only got the sr | [22:23] |
| Birdman2: | i see | [22:25] |
| Birdman2: | Seems danielpbarron won the auction | [22:25] |
| Birdman2: | claim your prise whenever bud | [22:31] |
| Birdman2: | A shame too, i thought it was worth much more than that | [22:32] |
| Birdman2: | or would at least get a little more action | [22:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | why did you think that ? | [22:35] |
| Birdman2: | Well its a usefull item, seemingly in short supply, not hard to get, but time consuming to get in high quantities. Where else will you get 100k+ grass, past using your own, what i assume is, valuable time and effort. | [22:37] |
| Birdman2: | im also pretty positive im the most efficient at it, noob or otherwise at the moment | [22:38] |
| Birdman2: | ords cant be used yet either | [22:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think i mined 50 ords or so. why couldn't they be used ? | [22:44] |
| Birdman2: | st arent found yet | [22:46] |
| Birdman2: | the grass spot is ordinary mountain | [22:46] |
| Birdman2: | anyways, mircea_popescu | [22:57] |
| Birdman2: | are you still in need of sr | [22:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | low q ? sure. | [22:58] |
| Birdman2: | yeah, and you said you would pay 30\% on top of base value? | [22:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | at least. what q do you get again ? | [23:00] |
| Birdman2: | 23 | [23:01] |
| Birdman2: | it sounds like if we are even adjusting for q here im not going to bother | [23:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | k. | [23:15] |
| Birdman2: | well if anyone wants to contract me to mine something, im pretty efficient. I was thinking of making a shop page for Eulorum, stating rates etc. Curbing the noob mining market :) Other than that seems ill just be boosting gathering for now till need arises | [23:20] |
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