| diana_coman: | morning | [02:21] |
| diana_coman: | chetty__ I am getting again the "you can't explore in the same place" thing | [02:21] |
| diana_coman: | + I got an overweight message | [02:21] |
| diana_coman: | when I hadn't even got any claim | [02:21] |
| diana_coman: | I'll hang around for 5-10 minutes if you get to have a look | [02:22] |
| diana_coman: | previous to this I just trained really (freshly logged in since I logged out after getting first stuck in the crater and then walking out of it almost at horizontal:p ) | [02:22] |
| chetty__: | moring | [02:39] |
| diana_coman: | it's still behaving the same | [02:50] |
| diana_coman: | "you cannot explore..." + overweight | [02:51] |
| chetty__: | hmm let e look at log | [02:51] |
| diana_coman: | it's going on right now, so maybe you get to see something | [02:52] |
| diana_coman: | I tried dropping something and it drops it correctly, so at least to some extent the position does get updated | [02:52] |
| chetty: | well the db is ok, I see dpb crafting just fine, | [02:57] |
| diana_coman: | uhm | [03:00] |
| diana_coman: | yes, he is crafting though, not moving | [03:00] |
| diana_coman: | and anyway, do you mean than that it is more likely a client issue>? | [03:01] |
| diana_coman: | it is for some reason clearly stuck as no matter what I do it says the same thing | [03:01] |
| diana_coman: | can you check whether foxy's position changes at all? | [03:01] |
| chetty: | it seems to be getting stuck loading locals vars when you try to explore, like it is not gett ing a good response | [03:01] |
| diana_coman: | not getting a good response from the client? | [03:02] |
| diana_coman: | is that why it keeps sending the overweight message too? | [03:02] |
| chetty: | not really on locations, I dont log that stuff on locations. | [03:03] |
| diana_coman: | I went and stored something with Heina | [03:03] |
| diana_coman: | and it went fine | [03:03] |
| diana_coman: | got back trying to explore | [03:03] |
| diana_coman: | and it's still stuck | [03:03] |
| chetty: | this log of course has both you and dpb actions, they kinda wind together so its hard to see cleary but yeah seems to halt with the overweight msg on you | [03:04] |
| diana_coman: | the only solution I know of is to re-login but there clearly is some problem somewhere | [03:04] |
| diana_coman: | I guess it might even be on the client side for all I know | [03:05] |
| chetty: | yeah well I will be doing a small update later tody, I ll expand that part of the log a bit to try and find it then | [03:05] |
| diana_coman: | anything else you'd want me to try before logging out and in again? | [03:05] |
| chetty: | cant think of anything atm | [03:06] |
| diana_coman: | I killed myself, let's see if that makes any difference, lol | [03:06] |
| chetty: | hahah I saw death fly by there ,,,was wondering | [03:07] |
| diana_coman: | nope | [03:07] |
| diana_coman: | omg | [03:08] |
| chetty: | seems odd no one else has hit this problem either | [03:08] |
| diana_coman: | I got back in and ...it's still the same | [03:08] |
| chetty: | oi | [03:08] |
| diana_coman: | it's sabotaging my exploring lolz | [03:09] |
| diana_coman: | maybe I hit some upper limit on it :)))) | [03:09] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, even in that cemetery/ghost house it insists that no, I can't explore in the same place twice in a row :)))) | [03:11] |
| diana_coman: | oh well, I'll set it up with some crafting for now then | [03:13] |
| chetty: | well I am reading code from where it gets stuck ... | [03:14] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, the crafting works fine for me too | [03:14] |
| chetty: | hmm I might have found something, odd it seems to only effect you, I'll have a reset in a couple of hours to testout | [03:20] |
| diana_coman: | sounds good, thanks | [03:21] |
| chetty: | server reset in 5 | [08:03] |
| diana_coman: | I just wanted to say that now after another re-login it seems to started working again | [08:04] |
| diana_coman: | I tried it earlier after the crafting run but without logging out and it was still stuck | [08:04] |
| chetty: | yeah I am really still not 100\% sure about it, very odd that it only seems to be you, but I got a couple small changes to make and we see | [08:05] |
| chetty: | done | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | so far it's ok, I'll report if it goes wrong again | [08:25] |
| chetty: | thanks :) | [08:26] |
| danielpbarron: | http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/shop.txt << updated with a big addition of shavings (now with a reasonable price (or did the update change base prices?)) | [08:47] |
| chetty__: | haha no, changing price calculations not gonna happen | [08:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron i'll take the ibs. | [09:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | also lemme make some offers, maybe you want some | [09:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | ppb 965k | [09:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | slag 7m | [09:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'll take the bms | [09:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | might do 2mn on the rf | [09:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme know. | [09:09] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu did you lose some screens? | [09:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm prolly. | [09:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | dja got em ? | [09:15] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I have one, they were lying around | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | not sure whose are they | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | bout 135k or so durability | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, can I see the durability somehow while I have them in my inventory or on the ground? | [09:19] |
| diana_coman: | wow danielpbarron are those pss claims all yours, all fresh? | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu it has 141k and it's crafted by chetty | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | gotta talk to storage i think | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha then it's mine | [09:22] |
| diana_coman: | (just got to storage) | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima hit you up when im in game for it thanks | [09:22] |
| diana_coman: | sure, np | [09:22] |
| diana_coman: | btw, I'm looking into a basic set of things for the craft bot to log, any keen preferences, mircea_popescu danielpbarron, jurov, anyone else? | [09:30] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> danielpbarron i'll take the ibs. << k | [09:41] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman> wow danielpbarron are those pss claims all yours, all fresh? << yeah not sure what's going on | [09:42] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm bare-handed and getting them like they are basic or something | [09:42] |
| diana_coman: | wow | [09:42] |
| danielpbarron: | ever since last restart | [09:42] |
| diana_coman: | weird | [09:43] |
| danielpbarron: | i gtg afk for now, i'll ponder those offers mircea_popescu | [09:43] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe it's not the key, i'm finding beetles bare-handed | [12:09] |
| jurov: | diana_coman what do you mean? | [12:30] |
| diana_coman: | is there some specific information you'd like the craft bot to log? | [12:30] |
| diana_coman: | for instance, the miner bot logs location where you dig, tool and outcome (claim if any + how many items you got out of it if it was built) | [12:30] |
| jurov: | quality of input, bundle, output and loot | [12:31] |
| jurov: | (but i know loot may be complicated as it appears by itself) | [12:31] |
| diana_coman: | yes, loot is a bit of an overkill for now, as it's unclear when it's done etc | [12:33] |
| diana_coman: | the rest sounds doable | [12:33] |
| diana_coman: | I guess quality of input is a bit more dubious in terms of writing it out in csv format since the number of items is variable | [12:41] |
| diana_coman: | mhm | [12:41] |
| jurov: | item1:q1,item2:q2,... whatever works. i hope they don't start adding non-alphanumeric chars to ingredients' names | [12:52] |
| chetty__: | now there is an idea to keep you guys on your toes :P | [12:58] |
| jurov: | welll...diana, use sexprs then :D | [13:07] |
| diana_coman: | lol jurov, I said "basic" | [13:12] |
| jurov: | they *are* basic in a sense | [13:12] |
| diana_coman: | there was already a logger code (not used otherwise) within the client | [13:12] |
| diana_coman: | but handling only csv | [13:12] |
| jurov: | :) | [13:12] |
| diana_coman: | I am not keen on writing now the logger itself, lol | [13:12] |
| diana_coman: | sure, I can just make a huge string item1:q1 item2:q2...., | [13:13] |
| diana_coman: | as one column | [13:13] |
| diana_coman: | but dunno | [13:13] |
| diana_coman: | will think a bit about it | [13:13] |
| diana_coman: | prolly skill would also be handy, but the trouble there is..which skill | [13:13] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [13:13] |
| diana_coman: | oh wow, I found md bare-handed and even a small claim | [13:14] |
| diana_coman: | I fully expect mircea_popescu will say that nothing has changed *at all* and there is absolutely no link whatsoever with anything | [13:14] |
| chetty__: | hahahaha | [13:14] |
| chetty__: | << confesses messing with the use a key to mine business | [13:15] |
| diana_coman: | oh wow, the client can have such a lag.... | [13:18] |
| diana_coman: | not sure why | [13:18] |
| diana_coman: | but boy it messes up the bot | [13:18] |
| diana_coman: | ugh | [13:18] |
| diana_coman: | guess it can't be helped though as I can't possibly account for any arbitrary lag now | [13:18] |
| chetty__: | well as long as it doesnt exceed the 'heartbeat' the client and the server dont much care about lag | [13:20] |
| diana_coman: | chetty__ well as long as it doesnt exceed the 'heartbeat' the client and the server dont much care about lag <- I think it might have exceeded it really, since there was funny stuff (like stacking items in inventory and then they spring back because of some timeout probably) | [14:49] |
| chetty__: | yeah that sounds like a really bad connection ... it tires to recover .. | [14:50] |
| diana_coman: | the weird thing is that otherwise the connection was perfectly fine, not sure what happened really, but I won't try to account for that really - the bot will just miss a claim or something | [15:18] |
| diana_coman: | it carries on otherwise but there isn't much to do about it | [15:18] |
| diana_coman: | chetty__ it's stuck again .... | [16:49] |
| diana_coman: | this is even weirder in some sense, as I was not in game for about 1hour or so, can't really see why it's all of a sudden stuck again on not updating the position or something - it really seems as some trouble on the server or db | [16:51] |
| chetty__: | ok going to look | [16:53] |
| chetty: | HMM db looks ok, I see dpb exploring ok | [16:54] |
| diana_coman: | lolz, my very own special bug or what | [16:55] |
| diana_coman: | it still gives the same thing to me | [16:56] |
| diana_coman: | I walked half the island but it still insists it is the same location... | [16:56] |
| chetty: | so it gives messgae about explore in same place? | [16:56] |
| chetty: | overweight? | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | no overweight as far as I can tell | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | just can't explore in the same place | [16:57] |
| diana_coman: | I guess the last update solved the overweight part of the trouble maybe | [16:57] |
| chetty: | ok I kicked dpb so I could see better :9 | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | does it show anything? | [16:58] |
| diana_coman: | I am trying repeatedly to move and explore | [16:58] |
| chetty: | yeah I see it load the vars for you then just stop | [16:59] |
| diana_coman: | why would it stop? | [16:59] |
| danielpbarron: | wow lucky i just so happened to check in my character now | [16:59] |
| chetty: | yeah well I needed to look at server and your charc wasnt doing much but being noisy in the log :P | [17:03] |
| danielpbarron: | and ranking up, sorta still a competition | [17:04] |
| diana_coman: | well danielpbarron since I stumbled upon a unique foxy-only-bug, what kind of a competition is that anyway? | [17:04] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [17:05] |
| diana_coman: | anyway: near 400 yet? | [17:05] |
| danielpbarron: | 302 | [17:05] |
| diana_coman: | well done | [17:05] |
| danielpbarron: | i think the key stopped working for gathering | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | when my inventory fills up to the point that a key goes in my hand, i don't get any more keys | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | i used to keep getting keys | [17:06] |
| danielpbarron: | so i guess i wouldn't have ranked up beyond where you kicked my anyway | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | I think that was the last reset about or partially about | [17:07] |
| danielpbarron: | (as there was a key in my hand) | [17:07] |
| danielpbarron: | or i should say, i wouldn't have kept getting keys and enums | [17:07] |
| danielpbarron: | ranking up with a key already wasn't a thing | [17:07] |
| danielpbarron: | i seem to be getting much more enums bare handed than i used to | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | that I noticed for today too, for certain | [17:08] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah just today | [17:08] |
| danielpbarron: | i used to never have to worry about filling up with keys gathering stones | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | well, you won't complain about that now, lol | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | now it seems like i always come back to a full inventory | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | (i no longer drop keys) | [17:09] |
| diana_coman: | even if you explore for md? or whatever, clover? | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | although i have probably 10k+ bits of nothing now | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | what's the point of gathering those? | [17:09] |
| diana_coman: | oh, you don't build any claims? | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | if i'm not gonna mine them | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah | [17:09] |
| danielpbarron: | i was collecting enums to sacrifice | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | oh, ok | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | I thought of them as they are generally hard to find, hence I was surprised that you'd find even those in such great numbers as to fill your inventory | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | they are usually quite a safe bet when I really don't want the inventory to get filled up :))) | [17:11] |
| diana_coman: | (so exp only sort of thing) | [17:11] |
| diana_coman: | thing is that atm it seems that I just can't explore anymore so lol | [17:11] |
| chetty: | well I think maybe what happens here diana is once it gets in an error state it doesnt reset the position, still no clue how it gets there but I got something to try | [17:12] |
| diana_coman: | ok, I stopped for the moment | [17:12] |
| diana_coman: | anything for me to do? | [17:12] |
| danielpbarron: | when may i resume gathering? | [17:12] |
| chetty: | after server reset, which I will do now | [17:13] |
| danielpbarron: | i haven't found anything bigger than a small in a while, maybe the gathering pool is really large and that's why we're getting more tinies and smalls | [17:18] |
| danielpbarron: | until someone finally scores a few ordinaries or greater | [17:18] |
| danielpbarron: | sizeable is worth 4 million base | [17:19] |
| diana_coman: | well, if you are mining bare-handed I guess the chances of a remarkable are remarkably small maybe | [17:20] |
| diana_coman: | or of a sizeable I suppose | [17:20] |
| diana_coman: | I did find ordinaries quite ok when I used a basic pickaxe | [17:20] |
| danielpbarron: | i haven't mined with a tool in a while | [17:20] |
| danielpbarron: | and when i did, it was for beetles | [17:21] |
| diana_coman: | so then did you find ordinaries and better bare-handed you mean? | [17:21] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [17:21] |
| danielpbarron: | well yes once or twice, long ago | [17:21] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, so "<danielpbarron> i haven't found anything bigger than a small in a while" <- kind of more probable simply because of mining bare-handed? | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah but my point is, with no big scores, the pool keeps growing | [17:22] |
| chetty: | so mebbe it works now ... | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | and the bigger pool == better results | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | i found this to be the case with building | [17:22] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, maybe | [17:22] |
| danielpbarron: | when i build a big score, my quality goes down | [17:22] |
| diana_coman: | as I said, I got 2 ordinaries almost in a row only 2 days ago or so | [17:22] |
| diana_coman: | yes, everyone else's for that matter | [17:23] |
| danielpbarron: | ordinary is worth only a few k bas | [17:23] |
| danielpbarron: | so that wouldn't really deplete the pool much | [17:23] |
| danielpbarron: | needs to be remarkable or sizeable for us to see a difference | [17:23] |
| danielpbarron: | sizeable would surely do it | [17:23] |
| danielpbarron: | i wonder if the sizeable i found a while ago is why gathering was so poor afterwards | [17:23] |
| diana_coman: | well, the big hits came for luck on small or ordinary or whatever, so maybe it even has nothing to do with what type of claim it is | [17:23] |
| danielpbarron: | and only now getting better | [17:23] |
| diana_coman: | if you go that route | [17:23] |
| diana_coman: | thanks chetty, will try | [17:24] |
| diana_coman: | well, at least so far it works | [17:24] |
| danielpbarron: | i think each tool use adds whatever that use is worth to a global pool | [17:25] |
| danielpbarron: | and that pool is unbounded | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | that is sure | [17:25] |
| danielpbarron: | (can grow infinitely big) | [17:25] |
| chetty: | I am still puzzled about why its only you that has this issue | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | yes, certainly | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha chetty, I'm not | [17:25] |
| danielpbarron: | that is how mp can claim that loot is unbounded | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | I must have luck for something now, mustn't I? | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [17:25] |
| danielpbarron: | technically true, but he'll never be on the hook for a 21 million bitcoin score | [17:25] |
| danielpbarron: | unless we somehow actually put that much into the pool | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | if it's not for finding loot, it can still be for finding...problems :))) | [17:26] |
| chetty: | diana_coman, wins | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | well, the point is that it's meant for a large playbase | [17:26] |
| diana_coman: | which could much more easily increase the pool seriously | [17:26] |
| chetty: | well the theory says is scales | [17:27] |
| diana_coman: | is sometimes weary of so many victories like that | [17:27] |
| chetty: | yeah there are wins sometimes we could all do without :) | [17:28] |
| chetty: | well looks like both of you are exploring fine now, yell if anything looks strange pls | [17:32] |
| diana_coman: | yes, it's going on fine for now chetty, thank you | [17:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | <danielpbarron> when i build a big score, my quality goes down << conversely , when grenadine built a huge thorns thing, the score shot up like 80 q points for me | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | <danielpbarron> that is how mp can claim that loot is unbounded << mno, loot actually is unbounded. | [17:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | <danielpbarron> technically true, but he'll never be on the hook for a 21 million bitcoin score << i'll never be on the hook for 21 million btc because you loot copper not btc. | [17:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman> which could much more easily increase the pool seriously << think of it like... mining. which is what it is. is the mining diff "meant for a large miner base" ? notrly. it's made to do adjustment, and it does it very well : blocks have been within tolerance for many years over incredibly variant miner bases. | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes suddenly adding a lot of hash to the network gives "better results". for a whikle anyway. | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | and yes the ideal state for everyone is when the thing is growing, slowly. | [17:38] |
| diana_coman: | I meant that part re daniel's theory about amount one can loot | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | as in: you can loot 2100 million coppers if the pool has that much | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | and it can have that much more easily when there are more people exploring about, hence pouring coppers in | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | but maybe I still got it wrong, how am I supposed to know, lol | [17:40] |
| chetty__: | it ok diana_coman I don't think anyone really knows .. | [17:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman but the pools have in excess of 10 bn as it is (as per s.mg last balance sheet) | [17:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | player activity does not account for that much yet. | [17:44] |
| danielpbarron: | found an ordinary stones claim bare handed | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | wd! | [18:33] |
| danielpbarron: | if my theory is close, noobs should all be gathering like crazy right now | [18:33] |
| danielpbarron: | bare handed is very +ev or whatever | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | or variance. or the phase of the moon. | [18:33] |
| danielpbarron: | well whatever is the reason, it seems to be the season (for gathering) | [18:34] |
| danielpbarron: | noobs should go get me some grass | [18:34] |
| danielpbarron: | i want lots of low quality grass to use up my piles and piles of thread blueprints | [18:34] |
| danielpbarron: | so many blueprints i'm at serious risk of running out of storage space | [18:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | im there already | [18:35] |
| danielpbarron: | although i could resort to putting overflow in a locked claim | [18:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | could work. better use a large one tho lest it disappears on you. | [18:38] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah claims sketch me out a bit, that's part of the reason i switched my store format | [18:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're not intended as permanent storage. should work of for temporary, but that's it. | [18:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | lest someone gets burned. | [18:43] |
| danielpbarron: | found.. 18 !! beetle claims while out to dinner | [21:33] |
| danielpbarron: | (barehanded!!) | [21:33] |
| danielpbarron: | free beetles! | [21:33] |
| danielpbarron: | n00bs ^ | [21:33] |
| danielpbarron: | cazalla, mod6 et al | [21:34] |
| danielpbarron: | i was thinking ealier today, why is it that there aren't more active players? | [21:35] |
| danielpbarron: | do people think there isn't enough to do or something? am I crazy in being perfectly content in what there currently is | [21:36] |
| danielpbarron: | collecting stuff, refining stuff, and trading stuff | [21:36] |
| danielpbarron: | even if the end goal isn't in sight, or even if there isn't ever anything else | [21:36] |
| danielpbarron: | oo i even got a small beetle claim and it didn't disapear | [21:39] |
| danielpbarron: | it seems as though 13 of my claims went away unfortunately | [21:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suspect many don't know about it ? | [21:43] |
| danielpbarron: | i mean people in the other channel | [21:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, maybe they don't play games. | [21:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw, you in game ? i log in for the stuff ? | [21:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron | [21:49] |
| danielpbarron: | ya | [21:57] |
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