| cazalla: | danielpbarron, don't really feel like playing an mmo lately, back into csgo and tf2 of late | [00:49] |
| cazalla: | plus i gotta get it up and running on windows again as i couldn't get it going on 14.04 and steam doesn't run on 10.04 | [00:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | speaking opf which, jurov got the new client for windoze ? | [02:14] |
| diana_coman: | <danielpbarron> i was thinking ealier today, why is it that there aren't more active players? <- essentially everyone I talked to and sent to have a look, came back with their own personal version of "it sounds utterly boring" | [02:35] |
| diana_coman: | it might be either my sample's bias or a reflection of my writing style on eulora, no idea | [02:36] |
| diana_coman: | though at times they came back to say they had fun reading foxy's diary, but they are "not interested" | [02:37] |
| diana_coman: | lately I've been putting it more plainly: it's a good time to go in with 0 and come out with something positive - will see how that goes | [02:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | weird huh. | [02:40] |
| chetty__: | morning | [03:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | heya | [03:11] |
| diana_coman: | wow, I got an ordinary eps while mining bare-handed | [08:02] |
| diana_coman: | + 19 wm and 19 eps | [08:02] |
| diana_coman: | mhm | [08:02] |
| chetty__: | nice, I tried some barehanded earlier, got nuttin | [08:08] |
| danielpbarron: | probably better odds for foxy and I | [08:10] |
| diana_coman: | well, to be fair this was over the whole morning | [08:10] |
| diana_coman: | but yes, I'd guess the odds are better too | [08:10] |
| danielpbarron: | i got 3 beetles while i made breakfast | [08:10] |
| diana_coman: | it depends how long it takes to make breakfast too :p | [08:10] |
| danielpbarron: | half hour | [08:10] |
| diana_coman: | that sounds quite good then | [08:10] |
| diana_coman: | I see I got 4 beetles now, not sure exactly how long it was, maybe more towards 1h | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | do you still want beetles, danielpbarron? | [08:12] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | if it goes on like this, it shouldn't be too long to get a good number | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | I'm otherwise a bit stuck on how to handle the lag-issue with the bot really | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | that's why it's taking longer to release it | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | not really sure what to do about it to be honest | [08:35] |
| chetty__: | can you send me a sample log so I can seecwhat it loos like from the client side? | [08:59] |
| diana_coman: | sure, which log? | [09:01] |
| chetty: | well whatever you are making that shows it | [09:02] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, I am logging just the time of explore and that is kind of set (every x seconds basically) so I don't see how it would show there | [09:03] |
| diana_coman: | the lag is basically in the client-server messages or something | [09:03] |
| diana_coman: | and it causes for instance the ennumeration to come in later than usual | [09:03] |
| diana_coman: | kind of too late | [09:03] |
| diana_coman: | I could of course just increase the delay | [09:04] |
| diana_coman: | but for one thing this is not a good idea when things run smoothly | [09:04] |
| diana_coman: | as it just makes everything slower | [09:04] |
| diana_coman: | and for the other ....by how much is too much as it were | [09:04] |
| danielpbarron: | the delay varies though | [09:05] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron I simplified there | [09:05] |
| diana_coman: | it basically wakes up periodically and checks if things are in place to do something else | [09:05] |
| diana_coman: | and what happens in lag situations | [09:05] |
| diana_coman: | is that the explore was successful for instance | [09:06] |
| diana_coman: | so it got that message | [09:06] |
| diana_coman: | but the ennum is missing | [09:06] |
| diana_coman: | or the claim stick though I haven't seen that really | [09:06] |
| diana_coman: | it's generally the ennum | [09:06] |
| diana_coman: | I guess I could specifically address this as an exception to just wait another round in the hope things are there by the time it checks again | [09:07] |
| diana_coman: | and with some set number of retries | [09:07] |
| diana_coman: | re variable delay, the way the craft bot works is that first of all you can just tell it how long to wait for the craft to finish and otherwise it tries to adapt | [09:08] |
| chetty: | depending on time seems a little iffy to me, internet connections are not that reliable and I wonder what happens when we get a lot of people playing at once and perhaps the server is actually a little slower .. | [09:10] |
| danielpbarron: | oh hah, now i'm getting the can't explore twice in a row message | [09:10] |
| diana_coman: | ha | [09:14] |
| chetty: | oi | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | chetty it has to depend on something and a combination time+messages is the best I can see | [09:15] |
| diana_coman: | I am open to any suggestion otherwise | [09:15] |
| danielpbarron: | what's different is i got my for-real gathering and mining gear together and traveled out to the solid branch spot | [09:15] |
| diana_coman: | but clearly depending ONLY on messages proved a terrible idea | [09:15] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, so maybe I was getting that as I had actually explored with a tool? weird | [09:16] |
| danielpbarron: | i can't do it bare-handed either now | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, once it's stuck it is stuck | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | you can try re-login | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | it used to help...until it didn't | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | my initial approach was relying on messages and ignoring time exactly because I thought the same as you chetty above | [09:17] |
| chetty: | so best I can tell what is happening on the failed explore is that your position gets set without properly ending the action so it does not get cleared (part of finish action), once this happens you cant start a new action | [09:17] |
| chetty: | so any one have ideas about things they might have done just before the error started? | [09:18] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, I have no idea, once I had it after a fresh login really | [09:19] |
| chetty: | honestly diana_coman I am still a bit stuck getting clients to work right ...bots .. oh well | [09:19] |
| danielpbarron: | i took some mining stuffs from storage, relogged to transform keys into bits, put the bits into storage, and traveled to the other side of the map | [09:19] |
| chetty: | one thing I would like to try sometime is just wait for 5 minutes to see if clears on its own | [09:20] |
| danielpbarron: | just relogged and now it's working again | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | well, I guess I can also just release them as they are and whoever wants them better can make them better, of course | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | chetty if that's for the can't explore issue then I tried that already | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | and it didn't help | [09:21] |
| chetty: | ok, well I{ll keep trying to pin this one down do let me know when it happens and the best you know of what you did just before | [09:21] |
| chetty: | you waited 5 min? no moving or other actions? ah well it was a very thin possibility anyway | [09:22] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I think even more than 5 minutes as I just left it there and went afk with something else | [09:27] |
| chetty: | hahaha I was typing a dir name to save files and it came out /explore instead /eulora and I didnt even notice ... | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | :)))) | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | I set a shortcut key for /explore | [09:29] |
| chetty: | I usually just use up arrow but it must have stuck in my head anyway :) | [09:36] |
| danielpbarron: | well i wish i would have figured this glitch out after getting a stack of something better than thorns, but it just doesn't feel ethical to not mention it: whenever the server resets, electron's stash is replentished, and for whatever reason (maybe too much grass for sale) when I try to buy "all" of certain things, it displays no message and takes no money and depletes no items from his stash, but puts that stack in my inventory any | [10:37] |
| danielpbarron: | it goes away after i buy out certain other items | [10:37] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron do you need/want thorns that badly as to buy them from the merchant?? | [10:38] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, that sounds like a weird thing for sure | [10:39] |
| diana_coman: | as for tpt, I have a load of them | [10:41] |
| danielpbarron: | i just buy out everything | [10:42] |
| danielpbarron: | sometimes it forces me into the "ingredients" tab when i click the buy all button from another tab | [10:43] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe that has something to do with it | [10:43] |
| diana_coman: | oh, was that some high quality tpt? | [10:43] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [10:44] |
| danielpbarron: | it's all mostly low quality stuff | [10:44] |
| diana_coman: | so then why do you want to pay spirover's high \%? | [10:44] |
| danielpbarron: | high \% on low quality is still a good deal | [10:44] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, maybe | [10:44] |
| danielpbarron: | he also sells shells and bits and other stuff that's hard to get | [10:45] |
| diana_coman: | shells are not hard to get | [10:45] |
| danielpbarron: | i will buy your shells if that's what you mean | [10:46] |
| danielpbarron: | you can only get them so fast | [10:46] |
| diana_coman: | I was mainly curious, but of course I'll sell shells if you want them, no problem | [10:46] |
| danielpbarron: | i want beetles more atm | [10:46] |
| diana_coman: | I was just genuinely curious as to me Spirover doesn't really sound like a good deal unless you really have no choice | [10:46] |
| diana_coman: | I have 46md | [10:47] |
| diana_coman: | atm | [10:47] |
| danielpbarron: | i will buy those | [10:47] |
| diana_coman: | and about 55 shells I think | [10:47] |
| diana_coman: | ok, let me get it out | [10:48] |
| chetty__: | thanks for telling on the glitch | [10:49] |
| jurov: | electron seems bad at bookkeeping | [10:50] |
| jurov: | and yes, windows client, am on it | [10:50] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron are you in game? beetles ready | [10:54] |
| danielpbarron: | ya | [10:57] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, something interesting chetty: I got stuck again into "you cannot explore twice in the same place" | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | strictly before this I just walked to the place | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | but I suspect it has started some time ago really | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | basically I was overweight (some heavy shells on me) and I tried to explore | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | at that time it complained that "you cannot explore because you are already busy" | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | no mention of overweight and not sure where it got the busy thing from (maybe from an unanswered request to daniel to trade) | [11:03] |
| chetty__: | ahh ok, that is really the sort of thing I was expecting, a fail that didnt clear cleanly | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | in any case, after that thing, I had a trade with daniel that went fine | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | I put some things back into storage | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | so that's really the only thing I can see | [11:04] |
| danielpbarron: | getting the can't explore message again | [11:04] |
| danielpbarron: | even after relogging | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | so maybe it is from some failed explore | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | ha danielpbarron, see above mine, any similarity? | [11:05] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah happened since i got overloaded from the shells you traded to me | [11:05] |
| diana_coman: | so an overweight that doesn't really clean properly | [11:05] |
| chetty__: | ya something is not clearing cleanly for sure, guess I spend day going over all the fail modes, again :) | [11:05] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I get it after re-login too now | [11:05] |
| diana_coman: | so completely stuck | [11:05] |
| chetty__: | I wonder if it will let you craft or build? | [11:06] |
| chetty__: | one of the more interesting things is that the latest release didnt change any code related to this ..its all the same stuff that has been running fine for a while now .... | [11:08] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll try | [11:09] |
| danielpbarron: | worked | [11:14] |
| danielpbarron: | was able to craft, still can't explore | [11:14] |
| diana_coman: | yes, crafting will work, I had tried that before too | [11:15] |
| chetty__: | ok, well I'll try to get a fix up there soon | [11:15] |
| diana_coman: | basically everything went fine, except exploring which was stuck on not possible | [11:15] |
| diana_coman: | maybe earlier it crashed before getting into something like this, lol | [11:16] |
| chetty: | well maybe, but it ran a long time just fine after I made the 'big fix' and before this release, curious | [11:24] |
| chetty: | server reset in 5 | [11:27] |
| chetty: | done | [11:32] |
| chetty: | hahaha danielpbarron hits the merchant | [11:35] |
| danielpbarron: | gltich still happening | [11:35] |
| danielpbarron: | lol | [11:35] |
| danielpbarron: | now it's giving me free shavings | [11:35] |
| danielpbarron: | and beans | [11:36] |
| chetty: | yeah well I tried to fix the mining but I guess I should just shut the server down with this going on :/ | [11:36] |
| danielpbarron: | i mostly wanted the bits | [11:37] |
| danielpbarron: | and my testing of this glitch put even more stuff in there on the reset | [11:38] |
| danielpbarron: | i have a feeling that if i sell my magic bag or golden goose and buy it back, it'll show up for sale again after a reset | [11:38] |
| danielpbarron: | but i'm not gonna try it | [11:38] |
| danielpbarron: | something is weird with the rotten fruit too, only i don't get it for free | [11:39] |
| danielpbarron: | but it won't deplete from the store | [11:39] |
| danielpbarron: | endless suply appears to be for sale | [11:39] |
| danielpbarron: | looks like only the shavings is free this time | [11:39] |
| danielpbarron: | it was usually the tubers | [11:42] |
| danielpbarron: | every time i would go to buy out everything, the tubers wouldn't work, but i didn't realize i was getting them for free until today | [11:42] |
| chetty: | well only thing I can do atm to stop exploit is shut it down | [11:43] |
| danielpbarron: | exploit also stops when i buy stuff out in the right order | [11:44] |
| danielpbarron: | i think it has to do with something in the ingredients tab | [11:44] |
| danielpbarron: | because that's the tab it forces me into sometimes when clicking buy | [11:44] |
| danielpbarron: | and when i buy out all the ingredients, it stops doing that | [11:45] |
| danielpbarron: | before i reported it, i got like 2k thorns for free | [11:50] |
| danielpbarron: | and probably a few hundred tubers | [11:50] |
| danielpbarron: | and just now about 300 shavings | [11:50] |
| chetty: | well I see an error that can occur when all of something is purchased but I think its best to leave this until Spirover cna check his stocks | [11:59] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah it only seemed to happen on the "buy all" button | [12:00] |
| danielpbarron: | i would use the buy single button to get it unstuck | [12:00] |
| danielpbarron: | before i realized that "stuck" meant phree | [12:00] |
| phf: | eulora-v0.1.0.tar.gz has data-cs that's supposed to be installed into cs folder, but eulora-v0.1.1.tar.gz no longer has it. are the files integrated into cs_July24.tar.gz ? | [12:27] |
| phf: | (because if not a fresh eulora 0.1.1 install will fail) | [12:34] |
| diana_coman: | <danielpbarron> before i reported it, i got like 2k thorns for free <- wow, wd | [12:37] |
| danielpbarron: | well done ? is this kind of behavior encouraged? | [12:38] |
| danielpbarron: | i could have gotten way more | [12:38] |
| danielpbarron: | only clicked 100 times | [12:38] |
| danielpbarron: | i could have stayed quiet and tried to get a ton of free rare stuffs | [12:38] |
| diana_coman: | "only" 100 times, lol; of course it's not encouraged nor useful really danielpbarron | [12:39] |
| danielpbarron: | i generally go with the KoL rule of bug-finding. It's ok to abuse the bug a little bit as long as it's within reason and while also notifying developers right away | [12:40] |
| danielpbarron: | KoL has a special item they give out to bug-finders | [12:41] |
| danielpbarron: | http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Bugfinders | [12:42] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Bugfinders - TheKolWiki (at kol.coldfront.net) | [12:42] |
| diana_coman: | I think we are already actually getting lots of things for testing it basically | [12:42] |
| diana_coman: | as for "it's ok to abuse a little bit" what can I say, kind of it's ok to rape a bit - I'm not a fan of the idea, but feel free to disagree | [12:43] |
| danielpbarron: | the splash screen sometimes says there are no rules | [12:44] |
| diana_coman: | precisely | [12:44] |
| diana_coman: | I suspect you would find that they mysteriously disappeared though | [12:44] |
| diana_coman: | while by reporting it, you might get to keep them or some of them - then again, it's not up to me to decide on those things so not really what's this for/about, lol | [12:45] |
| chetty__: | <phf> eulora-v0.1.0.tar.gz has data-cs that's supposed to be installed into cs folder, but eulora-v0.1.1.tar.gz no longer has it. are the files integrated into cs_July24.tar.gz ?// latest release expects you to use previos cs install | [12:46] |
| chetty__: | I lean with diana_coman on this, find a bug should get you a little something, but gotta draw a line somewhere :) | [12:48] |
| danielpbarron: | that's my contention as well, and why i grabbed 2k thorns and not 200k or whatever | [12:49] |
| chetty__: | :) | [12:55] |
| phf: | chetty__: i checked, it looks like cs_July24 already has those files, so everything's fine | [13:08] |
| chetty: | yup, no need to redo any of the cs or cal3d builds, just compile the new client | [13:11] |
| phf: | ben_vulpes, gernika: eulora 0.1.1 is available through homebrew. brew updated && brew upgrade eulora should do the trick | [13:14] |
| chetty: | cool phf, ty | [13:15] |
| phf: | also i updated the install instructions for mac os x to reflect the new and working installation procedure http://www.eulorum.org/OS_X | [13:27] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: OS X - Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) | [13:27] |
| phf: | i might even find some time to play the game myself.. | [13:27] |
| chetty: | that would be cool, hopefully it will be back up soon :) | [13:34] |
| jurov: | phf, do you want to release the binaries? i have 0.5btc hanging on that | [14:41] |
| chetty: | server is back online | [14:59] |
| diana_coman: | chetty there still seems to be some problem at the merchant? | [15:29] |
| diana_coman: | I got one pacademia nut | [15:29] |
| diana_coman: | and it threw me into a different tab + it was still back there when I looked again | [15:30] |
| diana_coman: | (and no, I did not buy now 1000 nuts or something, lol) | [15:30] |
| chetty: | yeah the switch tab issue I havent figured out yet. its not related to the other problem tho | [15:31] |
| diana_coman: | but is it meant to just have an endless supply of whatever it is? | [15:31] |
| diana_coman: | I think it does take the money at least | [15:31] |
| chetty: | yeah I was watching the log ... just in case I didnt manage to patch this, 34 coppers it was :) | [15:31] |
| chetty: | well the refill after a restart is an MP issue, he may want to change that, I dunno | [15:32] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, it wasn't after a restart, that's the thing | [15:33] |
| diana_coman: | it was on the spot as it were: spirover said he had just 1 single nut | [15:33] |
| diana_coman: | I bought it and then ..I bought it again it seems | [15:33] |
| chetty: | oh, it didnt subtract the one you bought? | [15:33] |
| diana_coman: | apparently not really or something, due to the tab issue I suspect | [15:33] |
| diana_coman: | I think after I closed spirover's window | [15:34] |
| diana_coman: | it finally realised it was gone | [15:34] |
| diana_coman: | but I did pay for 2 nuts in the end and I did get 2 nuts | [15:34] |
| diana_coman: | hopefully now they don't just disappear given that I actually paid for them, lol | [15:34] |
| chetty: | ok, well I am not gonna panic over that, as long as the number and cost is correct | [15:34] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, it wasn't 34 coppers per nut, that would be a huge bargain | [15:34] |
| diana_coman: | it was more like 9k almost per nut | [15:35] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, it was just to let you know | [15:35] |
| chetty: | I dont think we ever stole stuff from inventories ...at least not player inventorie | [15:35] |
| chetty: | ah log scrolls by fast ... 34 was all I saw :P | [15:35] |
| diana_coman: | oh, that was the bits of nothing | [15:36] |
| diana_coman: | (which I did want and bought, yeah) | [15:36] |
| chetty: | poor Spirover when he has a big inventory, he loses things | [15:37] |
| danielpbarron: | he has the nut to sell because of me | [18:23] |
| danielpbarron: | i sold him one nut so that i could try to buy it back, and now he has it every restart | [18:23] |
| danielpbarron: | so there's how we can get more of the stuff that isn't found yet | [18:23] |
| danielpbarron: | just sell a few to him and wait for a restart | [18:23] |
| danielpbarron: | (buy them back in the meantime) | [18:23] |
| danielpbarron: | sell and right away buy them back | [18:23] |
| danielpbarron: | http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/shop.txt << updated | [18:48] |
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