| danielpbarron: | [02:49] | |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, server is down | [03:08] |
| chetty: | up now | [04:56] |
| Birdman: | I need to buy the highest quality branches, boulders, floatsam, and slag | [05:37] |
| Birdman: | in bulk | [05:38] |
| Birdman: | i also have an huge amount of threads for sale if anyone can put them to use | [05:39] |
| chetty: | afraid all the stuff I mine is very low qual ;/ | [05:47] |
| Birdman: | its ok, gonna try to boost my explore anyways in the meantime | [05:48] |
| Birdman: | does the equipment you use to explore effect the exp you gain? | [05:50] |
| chetty: | yes | [05:56] |
| Birdman: | then i need to wait to buy something of high quality as well | [05:57] |
| chetty: | well I do a lot by hand still, but then I am not a very active player | [05:58] |
| Birdman: | Its getting pretty slow for me to do it by hand, i figure a few more levels and it'll be unbearable | [05:58] |
| chetty: | I suppose thats why people are now making mining bots | [05:59] |
| chetty: | eulora reset in 5 | [08:25] |
| chetty: | done | [08:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | birdman : i want the threads yes | [09:51] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron: are you afk? | [11:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | birdman : i want the threads yes < | [11:51] |
| Birdman: | kk just trade me, although i need to buy any you have for claims | [11:51] |
| Birdman: | or grass so i can produce my own | [11:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima sell you high q stuff. | [11:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | coming in nao | [11:57] |
| Birdman: | sweetness | [11:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you want, i can sell you some bottles, then you can go mine moss and mushrooms and make them into oil bottles. | [12:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | but it'll be hard work to mine that. you like mining ? | [12:03] |
| Birdman: | as in /explore? | [12:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes | [12:03] |
| Birdman: | eh | [12:04] |
| Birdman: | i dont not like it | [12:04] |
| Birdman: | but at the moment it isnt efficient to mine so far away from the trainer | [12:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | the moss and mushroom grounds are right off the hill, look it up on mod6 maps | [12:04] |
| Birdman: | and my focus right now is to level mcguyver and stockpile recipies for shredding | [12:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can sell you a shitton of those, but do you even have the skill and the tool ? | [12:06] |
| Birdman: | i have the skill, but not the tool | [12:07] |
| Birdman: | and a shitton is what im after | [12:07] |
| Birdman: | the recipies that are required to shred that is | [12:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can sell you the last remaining tool for 3mn. | [12:07] |
| Birdman: | sounds good | [12:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc danielpbarron diana and jurov have the remainder. unless they broke them. | [12:08] |
| Birdman: | does it degrade? | [12:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [12:08] |
| Birdman: | ah ok | [12:08] |
| Birdman: | i'll take it | [12:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | we do maybe have a way to make more, described in that trilema post, you read it ? | [12:08] |
| Birdman: | i did not | [12:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://trilema.com/2015/varia-varietatis-or-your-all-about-the-mollusc-guide/ | [12:08] |
| lobbesbot: | Varia varietatis, or your All-About-The-Mollusc guide. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) | [12:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | and ima be in game in like 10 minutes to sell you that an' see what recipes you want. | [12:09] |
| Birdman: | I could offer my noob services in hopes to reproduce | [12:15] |
| Birdman: | but it should be noted that i have terrible luck | [12:16] |
| danielpbarron: | [13:30] | |
| danielpbarron: | server down | [13:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [13:42] |
| danielpbarron: | crashed | [16:30] |
| chetty: | up | [16:37] |
| danielpbarron: | down again | [16:44] |
| diana_coman: | hello | [16:45] |
| diana_coman: | is my half-baked automation thingie crashing the server? | [16:45] |
| danielpbarron: | i had paid for training before it crashed the last time, and when it came back i had do it again, but i'm not sure if my first nulled training was refunded | [16:45] |
| danielpbarron: | yes | [16:45] |
| danielpbarron: | stuff i had done after training was still there | [16:46] |
| diana_coman: | what can I say, I can't even find one claim which I know was kind of right next to me before the last crash | [16:46] |
| danielpbarron: | for example, i took enough stuff out of storage to be overweight, and after the crash it had transported me back to where i came from (not in town) but still overloaded (very annoying) | [16:46] |
| diana_coman: | ahahahaha | [16:46] |
| danielpbarron: | and i did that after training | [16:46] |
| diana_coman: | sounds gleeful to actually be able to do that on purpose:D | [16:47] |
| diana_coman: | chetty, do you need any info as to what I was doing? (I have no idea what action might be causing the crash, since I am not really trying to do anything weird) | [16:48] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron: so don't become overweight I suppose | [16:48] |
| diana_coman: | but yeah, I can see what you mean | [16:48] |
| diana_coman: | the position and movement are handled in a rather strange way starting from the client really | [16:49] |
| danielpbarron: | i was intentionally mixing multiple stacks of stuff together.. | [16:49] |
| danielpbarron: | was supposed to be temporary | [16:49] |
| diana_coman: | (that's why the movement part is killing me) | [16:49] |
| danielpbarron: | now i'm making multiple trips that i already made to get this stuff back to my storage | [16:49] |
| diana_coman: | lol, what would you give me to transport them for you? | [16:50] |
| diana_coman: | (I have a trick, lol) | [16:50] |
| danielpbarron: | [17:20] | |
| chetty: | the crash is related to crafting, actually removal of the recipe at the end. It could be an early click of just some bad timing. Its one issue I been trying to resolve for a couple of days | [17:26] |
| danielpbarron: | weird, i had done that a while ago, long before the crash | [17:27] |
| chetty: | moving items around is updated when it happens, movement only periodically. Thats why you get a bit of rollback when it crashes | [17:28] |
| chetty: | skills that are a rank up get updated right away, just adding a few points will wait a bit (when we have combat dont want to update the db everytime you swing a sword) | [17:31] |
| chetty: | cause of that one was foxy, and bot might be a tad too quick, but of course I need to fix it | [17:35] |
| danielpbarron: | it's up! | [17:35] |
| chetty: | try not to crash anymore cause I am off for the night | [17:36] |
| danielpbarron: | had to buy training again | [17:37] |
| diana_coman: | thanks chetty | [17:38] |
| diana_coman: | I guess will try to slow it down a bit more atm | [17:39] |
| danielpbarron: | hi Nama | [17:47] |
| Nama: | hi | [17:47] |
| Nama: | is this where i go to get a log in account? | [17:48] |
| danielpbarron: | !! | [17:48] |
| danielpbarron: | yes :D | [17:48] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu, ^^ | [17:49] |
| danielpbarron: | ugh, server is down again!! | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | oh my | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | hi Nama, welcome | [17:49] |
| diana_coman: | apparently still too fast, ugh | [17:50] |
| diana_coman: | kind of hard to calibrate blindly, sorry | [17:51] |
| danielpbarron: | oh, Nama you should get in the WoT | [17:56] |
| danielpbarron: | as you'll need to have done that when mircea_popescu is available | [17:56] |
| Nama: | not sure what that is. I just stumbled on the game. I was looking to try it out | [17:57] |
| danielpbarron: | http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets | [17:57] |
| lobbesbot: | first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] (at wiki.bitcoin-assets.com) | [17:57] |
| diana_coman: | Nama, it's basically a network of people you know | [18:05] |
| Nama: | I am reading about it now | [18:06] |
| ben_vulpes: | involves gpg keys etc | [18:20] |
| ben_vulpes: | ping if you get stuck | [18:20] |
| danielpbarron: | will be away for 1/2 hour please don't start thing w/o me | [18:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | damn | [18:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm on it. | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | Nama hello | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron back up. | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | also, anyone wanna sell me anything? | [18:29] |
| diana_coman: | so mircea_popescu instead of getting all that moss and stuff, it seems I got yet another crash-button, lol | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | what is it this time ? | [18:30] |
| diana_coman: | not sure exactly what action, but from what chetty said, the thing is too fast trying to build the claims (I suppose it's that part) | [18:30] |
| diana_coman: | I have worn tools | [18:30] |
| diana_coman: | for sale I mean | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | I have purposefully slowed it down so that it kind of waits, moves, waits, explores, waits, build etc | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | but ugh | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | might need to really insert some wait between each action really | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | as an ad interim measure really. | [18:32] |
| diana_coman: | each 2 actions I meant | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | the plan is to not have the server crash anymore. chetty's been working on it for about five weeks now. | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | it has ground all development of new feature to a near absolute halt, but she also has found and filled A LOT of hole in the original piece of shit code. | [18:33] |
| diana_coman: | I get that, no worries there, it's just that I was really not expecting to manage that feat again, lol | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | in general, the reason planeshift doesn't do anything interesting becomes, upon experience, that they do not know how to, without crashing it. | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | so it's a sort of weird technological debt. | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | we were able to get the game actually up in like a coupla years, instead of whatever, "Never". but it has its frustration packaged with it. | [18:34] |
| diana_coman: | I thought oh well, craft bot is quite ok now, not really crashing the server anymore, so what could go wrong with some thrown-together experimental stuff on mining those shitty tiny claims? lol | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [18:35] |
| diana_coman: | and btw, ftr and fwiw, it has been exploring and building for a few good hours (on and off given issues, but still) and it got only tinies and smalls (and nothing, of course) with a pitiful total items | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | clearly it's way better to mine stuff like sb | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | or flotsam | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | at least one gets something, lol | [18:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | matter of luck | [18:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | i had horrible sb results, but i left a clicker running on mushroom got like 7 in an hour | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | not sure if the pools are again getting low or something as it clearly felt when they were updated | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | or that, sure, though hmmm | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | a 30\% profit or so, and this with a tool. | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman i dun think you ever felt when they were updated. | [18:37] |
| diana_coman: | really? there was a specific day+moment when all of a sudden everyone got better results | [18:37] |
| diana_coman: | but hey, I can't check, sure | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | well which day was it ? | [18:37] |
| diana_coman: | would need to comb the logs to tell that | [18:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | but you understand the fundamental problem with undocumentable claims. | [18:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | we could trivially check because i know when i did it. | [18:38] |
| diana_coman: | the thing is in the logs | [18:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [18:38] |
| diana_coman: | it's not undocumentable; that's why I made it | [18:38] |
| diana_coman: | as for 7 per hour, yeah, that's prolly what I get with this thing, sure :))) | [18:39] |
| diana_coman: | something more like 20 for moss for sure :)) | [18:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | what i mean is : you care enough about the thing to store the claim in your head, but not the documentation. "because everyone got better results ~unresolved reference~" instead of "everyone got better results december 15th afternoon" | [18:39] |
| diana_coman: | (it has trouble with the shrooms as it's not exactly...ahem, *precise* in its movement) | [18:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | thing is, i get like q 162 mushrooms. they're worth maybe hm... | [18:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1200 ea i guess ? | [18:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | my thing moves and turns. it does this beautiful translated triangle pattern | [18:40] |
| diana_coman: | yes, movement from eulora code is much much more difficult to get in any reasonable shape than from a macro for sure | [18:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah | [18:41] |
| Nama: | im back now. how do i get signed up for the game? | [18:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | Nama are you registered with assbot ? | [18:41] |
| Nama: | not that i know of | [18:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | join #bitcoin-assets would you. | [18:42] |
| diana_coman: | re claim thing: I care about it hence stored ref in head, but I don't think I'll get any benefit from actually documenting it really, hence did not comb the logs before even mentioning it (at the time I hadn't known it happened so yeah, couldn't document it on the spot) | [18:43] |
| diana_coman: | and crash button? | [18:44] |
| diana_coman: | lol, this was fast | [18:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | but you will. you definitely will! that's one of the i guess many things that makes eulora a different mmorpg from all others. | [18:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman backup. chetty will be thrilled in the morn | [18:45] |
| diana_coman: | I quite feel for her after my mini-adventures in eulora-client-land | [18:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. me too. (i've been privy to this for a while longer than most) | [18:46] |
| diana_coman: | as for the claim of a claim: worth a check I guess, so added to the list and will get to it in max 2 days I guess | [18:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | no big deal, really. but i wanted to make the point for the meta-point. | [18:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | next time! all next times! | [18:47] |
| diana_coman: | that's precisely what I am *very* weary of really | [18:47] |
| diana_coman: | but yeah, I know | [18:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | weary as in sick of ? or weary as in wary, worried about ? | [18:50] |
| diana_coman: | yikes, I think I know where it might crash - just a possibility, but in any case, on the odd chance it helps: it might be that the thing grabs the bundle from a small claim a bit too soon | [18:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's always been this. | [18:51] |
| diana_coman: | probably close to first (more like tired of) | [18:51] |
| diana_coman: | well, on crafting it seems to handle it ok | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | now, lol. | [18:51] |
| diana_coman: | yes, sure, I know; my point was just for info that it's handled on crafting, but apparently/possibly not on claims | [18:53] |
| diana_coman: | now I should hunt for those small claims for which I have only the bundle? ahahahaha | [18:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, auction will be in game in about 30 minutes. paging danielpbarron hanbot and anyone might be interestingf., | [18:54] |
| hanbot: | cool deal. | [18:57] |
| ben_vulpes: | where is this auction? | [19:01] |
| ben_vulpes: | i have 546 coppers and i will spend them all | [19:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc reserve was 3k | [19:02] |
| ben_vulpes: | aoknm | [19:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | and it'll be in game, usually happens around teh boxes. | [19:02] |
| ben_vulpes: | so how does experience and leveling in Gathering work? | [19:03] |
| ben_vulpes: | more likely to produce higher quality claims, less likely to produce claims overall? | [19:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope | [19:05] |
| diana_coman: | ben_vulpes as a wild guess I'd hazard that for one thing it might make you slightly faster at it and for the other it's kind of a factor added to how much you "put into it" and hence what you might get; as a practical thing, when you are higher level, you tend to find things in places that are "blind spots" at lower level, but underline "tend to" | [19:08] |
| ben_vulpes: | i have begun to grok the statistical nature of the thing | [19:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | smiles | [19:10] |
| ben_vulpes: | so levels experience and such | [19:10] |
| ben_vulpes: | i have Gathering 4 and then a half and half yellow/red bar | [19:10] |
| ben_vulpes: | 4 is level, yellow/red is how far along to next level i am? | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | roughly yes. except if it's not green you're not trained. | [19:11] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, kind of, more like for how much practice and trained stuff you have | [19:11] |
| ben_vulpes: | so 'wasting xp' | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | technically you may have a 2nd level in there, which will be recovered in training. but past that yes, wasted xp | [19:12] |
| ben_vulpes: | how does 'training percent' work? | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | you train a \% of your next level | [19:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | (in eulora - first you train, then you work out and level. exactly opposite of every other game, | [19:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | exactly how it works irl. first you learn the theory then you go practice it) | [19:14] |
| ben_vulpes: | hm | [19:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | you may have some experience stashed in which allows you to train two levels at once. but that's as far as it goes. | [19:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | so half green half red means that i've trained the next level fully but haven't gone and done the necessary work? | [19:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | full green means that | [19:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | half red prolly means you trained half | [19:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | heina's telling me that 'i cannot train the skill any higher yet' | [19:16] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, that doesn't sound right, since it slowly fills up green as I work | [19:16] |
| ben_vulpes: | is there a faster way to toggle between nav an input modes? | [19:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | hit enter | [19:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman mebbe you're right | [19:17] |
| danielpbarron: | i always do 100 | [19:19] |
| ben_vulpes: | are there any downsides to ranking up in gathering similar to tinkering? | [19:19] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's always advantageous to rank up | [19:20] |
| danielpbarron: | not always advantageous to focus on whatever skill, but if focused, should train | [19:21] |
| danielpbarron: | if everyone is tinkering, it's probably not profitable to train in tinkering | [19:21] |
| ben_vulpes: | is anyone running the mining hustle particularly hard atm? | [19:21] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm focusing on grass | [19:21] |
| danielpbarron: | since i have the skill sortage | [19:21] |
| ben_vulpes: | 'sortage'? | [19:22] |
| danielpbarron: | which makes my basic harvestables come out at over 250 quality | [19:22] |
| diana_coman: | tinkering is kind of a generic skill so it might help anyway, but then again, each with his own strategy | [19:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes everyone's mining, really. | [19:22] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't know how i got sortage | [19:22] |
| danielpbarron: | also i got a big grass find, and i want to auction it off as well, maybe tonight | [19:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, logging in nao for teh auction! | [19:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | o yay. please do. | [19:23] |
| danielpbarron: | someone took my bandar toolkit | [19:23] |
| danielpbarron: | and also my craft table | [19:23] |
| ben_vulpes: | 'twas me, holding it for someone to complain | [19:23] |
| danielpbarron: | and i have mp's craft table and a flask bundle | [19:23] |
| danielpbarron: | aha | [19:23] |
| ben_vulpes: | lol@unmount flavor text | [19:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | that was one epic auction. | [20:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1.25mn in the end | [20:21] |
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