| whaack: | diana_coman: EOD Report: Did my Spanish + Writing. I did 1hr of surfing today, and otherwise worked on the irc project. I did not get time to do the process monitor, and am pushing it back until I have a better idea of what TheFleet is going to look like when it is running on various irc networks. I read the appendix of The Meta Object Protocol that goes over CLOS and read the introduction. The book is pretty dry and I think I may | [02:08] |
| whaack: | want to read more about CL in general before I tackle it. I spent some time reading ircbot's source, I have a decent grasp of all its working - I can give it another read tomorrow/Saturday and then sign it and shortly after sign logbot as well. I dug into the cl-irc library it uses a bit, and started to read the rfc's for irc to get a better idea of the design of the system i'm exploring. Following thimbron's work I found the list | [02:08] |
| whaack: | of top irc servers + number of channels they have https://netsplit.de/networks/top100.php . Assuming that is not a bogus list, iterating through all the channels of top 100 networks + 'out of competition' networks seems like a good goal. There will be some hurdles to work through: I found for example freenode limits a user to 120 channels. Lastly I figured out how to connect to multiple channels with logbot (ben_vulpes had wrote a | [02:08] |
| whaack: | vpatch for this that I found in the logs, I lost some time not realizing that there were 2 separate vpatch files for 1 patch - one vpatch for logbot and one vpatch for ircbot.) | [02:08] |
| whaack: | Tomorrow I have a lot to do in Santa Cruz: pick up my computer, pick up my keyboard, pick up mail from the states, go grocery shopping, and get my debit card from the bank. | [02:10] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: sounds like a productive day yesterday overall; the limit to 120 channels on freenode means one bot per 120 channels and/or walk the chanlist over a longer timeframe (aka first 120 chans logged over January, next over February and so on if absolutely must); re list on netsplit.de certainly, it's that one I had in mind anyway (didn't realise you weren't aware of it). | [03:30] |
| diana_coman: | trip to Santa Cruz sounds like a good break too and sorting out needed stuff anyway. | [03:31] |
| dorion_road: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-19-Dec-2019#1013561 << I'm trying to unpack what makes for a superior form of identity; e.g. RSA signatures are better than hand written signatures because hand written signatures are rela | [15:52] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-12-19 16:24:09 diana_coman: e.g. "A strong individual identity is unique and expensive to replicate which generates signatures that are expensive to forge" - what?? | [15:52] |
| dorion_road: | tively cheap to forge. if I'm off there, what characteristics do you think make for a strong form of identity ? | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | dorion_road: that sentence just doesn't parse at all, I just couldn't follow what you were trying to say. | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | I could guess, sure; had about 3 guesses at it, lol. | [15:53] |
| dorion_road: | diana_coman yeah I can see that. I was trying to be concise and also I was working out the concept. | [15:55] |
| dorion_road: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-19-Dec-2019#1013563 << thanks for the feedback. I'm trying to say that tmsr tools are superior and create greater incentives for the individual to strengthen himself and meanwhile his alte | [15:55] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-12-19 16:29:39 diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-19-Dec-2019#1013526 - so to answer your stated question: I think you are trying to make the point that tmsr-os strengthens both individual contributors directly and the larger environment; you have some concrete ideas & points as to how and why but your article doesn't really marshall them in any orderly way. | [15:55] |
| dorion_road: | rnatives are weakening because Bitcoin is a fuller specification for money. | [15:55] |
| dorion_road: | apologizes for the broken lines above. | [15:56] |
| diana_coman: | listen, you are trying there to do essentially synthesis and that's one of the ...more difficult things to do properly and clearly, are you aware? | [15:57] |
| diana_coman: | the way you go about it, it's what tends to happen at first attempts - you end up with just the top of some whole tree at best and nobody can follow or tell what it was about. | [15:58] |
| diana_coman: | dorion_road: do you think my summary there doesn't fit your text? | [16:00] |
| dorion_road: | diana_coman that paints the picture well, and no, I wasn't conscious that synthesis was/is what I'm doing. | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | heh, what do you call it when you read 1001 things and you try to distill it all in ...what do you have there, 500 words? lolz | [16:01] |
| dorion_road: | diana_coman I think your summary does fit the text, I think I need more time to see just how incomprehensible the first section is. | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | dorion_road: well, that part is easy really: read it to someone from outside and see what they get; | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | but getting back to what you wanted to say: the "create greater incentives for the individual to strengthen himself" is the weaker version of my "tmsr-os strengthens both individual contributors directly" | [16:03] |
| dorion_road: | agreed. | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | dorion_road: how did you choose the structure ? | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | (the alternatives weakening would be again towards "the larger environment" but still more remote and weaker really) | [16:06] |
| dorion_road: | diana_coman I'm bringing up my outline, one sec. | [16:06] |
| dorion_road: | diana_coman I had more points from researching and thinking about what to include, when I got to writting I decided to focus on the top two, identity and money, and then went to explain why tmsr tools for identity and money are superior. | [16:09] |
| diana_coman: | dorion_road: uhm, your article though was supposedly focused on tmsr-os so first of all you should have made clear first the link tmsr-os -> identity+money | [16:10] |
| dorion_road: | right, I didn't establish that. | [16:12] |
| dorion_road: | I definitely see a reforge attempt in the near future. | [16:13] |
| diana_coman: | thing is, you didn't quite explain that either; you put them in, sure, but explaining them, hm. | [16:14] |
| diana_coman: | dorion_road: listen, you really need to start with smaller steps here, you are trying to step over what seems to you a tiny bump but it's a ..mountain, lol. | [16:15] |
| diana_coman: | so: it's all right and even very good to write stuff down to work out the concept, just as you said here: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-20-Dec-2019#1013626 | [16:16] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-12-20 15:55:28 dorion_road: diana_coman yeah I can see that. I was trying to be concise and also I was working out the concept. | [16:16] |
| diana_coman: | that is part of the required steps *before* you can actually write the sort of thing you were trying to write there. | [16:16] |
| dorion_road: | diana_coman yeah, I can see that, heh. taking smaller steps seems to be the thing that could most improve my writting overall at present. | [16:17] |
| diana_coman: | and at all times, if you are aiming to write something *for others* ie not to work out the concept for yourself but to help others see stuff clearly, then you need to a. be already fully clear on all the points you want to make (and I mean this in a very specific way, there's a lot to it) b. think through and choose the best structure, not just "top two " or something. | [16:18] |
| dorion_road: | diana_coman that makes sense. | [16:20] |
| diana_coman: | dorion_road: I'm sure you read a lot (and a lot of times) and so you have quite a wide view and can reference properly but you lack yet the practice structuring it all and making a clear argument in writing there, hm. | [16:20] |
| diana_coman: | dorion_road: what practice do you have with writing anyway (other than the private journals, I mean for others, reports, anything)? | [16:21] |
| dorion_road: | agreed. you pointed out similarly how I often don't see depth. | [16:21] |
| dorion_road: | diana_coman I've written some business plans and write clients. I did some documentation and copy writting for coinapult, but for the copy writing they wanted me to dumb things down. | [16:23] |
| diana_coman: | oh yes, copy writing is a sort of anti-writing, yes; (for my sins, I know it better than I wish I did). | [16:24] |
| diana_coman: | what do you mean by "write clients"? | [16:24] |
| dorion_road: | write emails to them to develop the relationship, provide updates, etc. | [16:25] |
| diana_coman: | ah, right; hm. | [16:25] |
| dorion_road: | diana_coman fyi I have a couple errands to run in ~15 minutes. jfw will be arriving here in the next hour or two. | [16:26] |
| diana_coman: | dorion_road: heh, I need to leave in ~5 minutes anyway | [16:27] |
| dorion_road: | diana_coman thank you for helping me to untangle both the message and the method. | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | I'd say a. write at least a few articles that are exactly focused on working out one single concept b. after that aim for one of those that bring several together but if you want some help,better come with the outlines first and ask. | [16:28] |
| dorion_road: | diana_coman that sounds like just the write thing, will do. | [16:29] |
| dorion_road: | right* | [16:29] |
| diana_coman: | heh, write the right thing, yes :P | [16:29] |
| dorion_road: | haha | [16:29] |
| diana_coman: | and maybe you do write this year that hunting thing too or you'll start 2020 with an audio article le gibier manque et les femmes sont rares | [16:30] |
| diana_coman: | will bbl | [16:30] |
| dorion_road: | yeah, that's part of the rebalancing plan. | [16:33] |
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