| diana_coman: | morning; so nice to wake up to the full list of expected things-to-read really. | [04:11] |
| diana_coman: | Guest73611: is that you, whaack? | [04:12] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: did the *plan* take you that long/longer than expected even? it looks like mainly a list of the technical stuff + an afterthought/unsure-wtf-this-is add-on; or is this just the bit that you finally published and you spent this time on getting started on other drafts or what happened here? | [04:17] |
| diana_coman: | I will look at it and comment in more detail later today at any rate. | [04:19] |
| diana_coman: | dorion: http://dorion-mode.com/2019/10/simple-steps-part-1-school-spirit/?b=this\%20context&end=#select - quite; note also that it's not only what you *do* but also what you *fail to do* that also has priors and context. | [06:01] |
| diana_coman: | dorion: your text is quite dense and at times touching on several directions at once but at any rate, it seems useful to you especially if you never took the time before to look at it all in a more structured way. | [06:07] |
| diana_coman: | dorion: as you said you have 4 more articles to get to current day, this may take a while; what's your current eta on this initial series? | [06:08] |
| diana_coman: | since I ended up writing a whole post as comment for whaack's review of the past week, there are quite a few things in there that others might find useful too. | [07:07] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: morning/evening, ^ yes it was. rough waters in the digitalocean last night. | [09:32] |
| diana_coman: | heh, wb whaack-not-guest then. | [09:33] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: to clarify, was your and-i-wont-save-you-from-the-rats post your comment? Because I don't see another comment on my week-1 review | [09:33] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: no,hmmm let me see there. | [09:36] |
| whaack: | now i do. | [09:37] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: it was stuck in moderating queue; forgot that new install -> needs again first approved comment. | [09:37] |
| diana_coman: | ah, not even that but because of the links in it; right. | [09:38] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: while the "what I've done with myself" is the right approach, your almost exclusive focus on "the technical" paints the single-arm picture (that asciilifeform will recognise); and note that just like in asciilifeform's case, this single-arm thing is very debilitating | [09:42] |
| ossabot: | (trilema) 2019-10-10 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944537 << i don't think you're a liar. i think you're a https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QO6WLGB4RBU/maxresdefault.jpg ; and as your misfortune would have it very few interesting or important things in this world can be done single handedly. | [09:42] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: moreover, what you need to understand and understand *very clearly* is that "technical" is not and can not be apolitical; and as such, you aren't going to be able to push your way anywhere merely on the strength of technical | [09:43] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: for a more concrete application here: while you possibly did very useful work, your failure to date to engage and your so-many-years persistence in man-aloning means now that there is a big trust&rep gap to fill; and just throwing your code+vpatches+docs out there won't fill it by itself because you are effectively asking people to spend their time on evaluating a big lump of unknown, as it stands. | [09:47] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: btw, this is not to dishearten you or anything; merely to point out that you really can't neglect your "weak arm" anymore and that we do need to talk *first* of non-technical really. | [09:48] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose I should clearly state that the biggest part of that lump of unknown above is *not* the code, but... you, the author of the code. | [09:50] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: say something. | [10:01] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: read your comment. I was going to respond there but I'll ask here. | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: better here if you have questions as it will get an answer way more timely | [10:04] |
| whaack: | For the wandering thoughts while reading, I will go for about a page and a half reading and comprehending properly, and then I'll start thinking about something else. A big problem is that while thinking about the ~else~ I keep "reading", and then to recalibrate i have to rewind and find the spot in the text where I started wandering off | [10:05] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: also known as tuning out; did similar happen when you were watching that Spanish film/whatever? | [10:07] |
| whaack: | no I don't think so, at least I didn't realize it. I think that the sensory load of the tv prevents it from happening. | [10:08] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: one easy way to go at it is simply to put the book down after a page and half to start with,take a break/do something else and then get back for another page and a half, with the aim to gradually increase this; it's a very frustrating thing for sure (good god, I'd kill someone if I had to put down the book after each 1.5pages) but it's certainly better than what you describe there | [10:10] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: does this happen for all books you read? | [10:10] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: yes, but i think it's a function of how interesting i find the book and how difficult it is for me to comprehend the book. If it's interesting and easy to comprehend then I go for a longer stretch without tuning out. | [10:12] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: obviously; the bad habit there is to keep with the pretense (the reading-while-thinking-of-something-else) rather than anything else | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | other than that, realise that reading text is not a matter of "number of words" solely (hence why this current "5 minutes read" bullshit is so hillarious); ie more difficult books will have to be taken in smaller bites, yes | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | you can either start with easier reads or take more frequent breaks on the harder stuff; the one thing that you should however NOT do is to allow this apparent-reading-only | [10:16] |
| whaack: | lol do the medium blog posts put a time on the read automatically, that is not set by the author? i know in either case it's dumb since N-minutes read is also based on who the reader is. | [10:16] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: I kept seeing it recently all around so not only medium but possibly it started there, no idea where exactly the nonsense started and it doesn't quite matter either. | [10:17] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, you can't set "reading time is this" because it won't be the same for everyone, obviously. | [10:18] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: Well I was more cognizant of my cheating ahead while reading this time since I knew you may ask me questions about what I read | [10:20] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: ha! good for you. | [10:21] |
| diana_coman: | also worth noting that reading is re-reading really. | [10:30] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-08-19 13:37:43 diana_alt: shrysr: the basic rule is that you'll need to go through each thing at least 3 times to get it but that's more of a lower bound than anything else really | [10:30] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: next, regarding sustainable saltmines. i have cash saved up and food and rent are pretty cheap here so even 8 hours a week goes along way. that being said I do want to be saving and have a buffer so i don't ever have to sell any btc, if you will. I don't think my problem is i have a bad saltmines job. At least, i don't think i'm going to come by one that pays decent, is flexible, and has some mildly interesting featur | [10:30] |
| whaack: | es I can work on like this one. | [10:30] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: so then do the work properly on this one for as long as it lasts at least; because look here that now you pushed it into this week that ends up with 20 hours for saltmine and that starts biting already. | [10:32] |
| whaack: | okay. | [10:34] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: update the plan for this week. | [10:41] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: okay. I am not immediately clear about what I need to change for my plan from your comment on my review post. Two points I get from it are: 1. I need to do more reading about V. The work involved w/ my writeup on the Ode to V and The V Manual Genesis includes rereading, but perhaps I shall clarify that. 2. I need to do a writeup on The Odyssey. Is there some more I am missing? | [10:47] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: yes, there is. | [10:50] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: A summary for feelings are helpful but not for idiots. (i can't help but make an uncomfortable laugh at missing the reading comprehension task) | [10:55] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: quite so, yes; and btw, split the tasks in your plan in 2 groups: must-do + time-permitting; because you are planning too much there and you'll make a mess out of it all in the end if you keep all in the must-do | [10:56] |
| whaack: | ok | [10:57] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-14-Sep-2019#1002548 - lobbes, what ever happened to/with this? | [10:59] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-14 15:05:59 lobbes: diana_coman: interesting. I will do this, ty | [10:59] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: Updated, but I am worried about my ability to compete the must-do list. The two new items, the feelings post summary and The Odyssey may take me a long time. And I can't see anything that I can move out of the must-do. | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | looks | [11:12] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: see comment | [11:14] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: done. I wasn't sure from your comment if I should put saltmines as #1 or #2. I put it as #2, but I understand it must be completed. | [11:20] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: exactly so. | [11:23] |
| whaack: | cool ty. with that i'm off to the saltmines. | [11:23] |
| jfw: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-21-Oct-2019#1006976 - I'm afraid so, nothing further drafted atm. I had thought I'd have another out by now, not sure what happened exactly. Describing the items on the list took time. But generally writing is definitely part of my weak side; not that I can't put the words together coherently, but that I sometimes get hung up on it, which historically has | [14:42] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-21 04:17:34 diana_coman: jfw: did the *plan* take you that long/longer than expected even? it looks like mainly a list of the technical stuff + an afterthought/unsure-wtf-this-is add-on; or is this just the bit that you finally published and you spent this time on getting started on other drafts or what happened here? | [14:42] |
| jfw: | discouraged me from doing it any more than strictly necessary, which in turn is surely keeping it weak. | [14:42] |
| jfw: | I accept that technology cannot be apolitical, though I probably don't understand it clearly enough. | [14:44] |
| jfw: | I'm not surprised by the criticism of unbalance, though it's good to see it spelled out, certainly. | [14:49] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: so then it might work still better simply talking to you; let's say tomorrow evening. | [15:17] |
| jfw: | diana_coman: ok, cool. | [15:20] |
| dorion: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-21-Oct-2019#1006978 << right, thanks for making that a comment, I replied >> http://dorion-mode.com/2019/10/simple-steps-part-1-school-spirit/?b=this\%20context&end=#comment-3 | [16:37] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-21 06:01:08 diana_coman: dorion: http://dorion-mode.com/2019/10/simple-steps-part-1-school-spirit/?b=this\%20context&end=#select - quite; note also that it's not only what you *do* but also what you *fail to do* that also has priors and context. | [16:37] |
| dorion: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-21-Oct-2019#1006979 << yeah, I reckon the multidirectional density is a cost of condensing a series of events into one post. It was certainly useful, and enjoyable (!), to structure for publication. I've journaled privately and spoken with others about the decisions and context, but these mediums are inherently less structured and more costly to reproduce. | [16:40] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-21 06:07:18 diana_coman: dorion: your text is quite dense and at times touching on several directions at once but at any rate, it seems useful to you especially if you never took the time before to look at it all in a more structured way. | [16:40] |
| dorion: | I started a hand written journaling habit in 2015 as a way to reduce the spinning in that reading what I wrote last week or last month is less costly than 'thinking' about it again. While that's been good and all, there's greater chance of being blind to the negative spaces compared to publishing for the world to see and comment on. | [16:43] |
| dorion: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-21-Oct-2019#1006980 << I estimate by next Sunday. Part of the time investment/cost on this one was learning the medium, so that will improve with practice. | [16:58] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-21 06:08:46 diana_coman: dorion: as you said you have 4 more articles to get to current day, this may take a while; what's your current eta on this initial series? | [16:58] |
| dorion: | diana_coman I'm going to be stepping away for a few hours, but will check back later tonight and be ready to chat tomorrow evening GMT, as agreed last Thursday. | [17:02] |
| dorion: | diana_coman do you have suggestions you'd be kind enough to share on mitigating the density/multidirectionality of the articles ? It occurs my initial reply 'accepted' the cost, rather than asking to improve it. | [17:21] |
| diana_coman: | dorion: you may be overestimating how much "the whole world" actually reads anything, lol; (and at that it's a natural overestimation pretty much ~everyone does at first); other than that, the blog medium is about more than just the public aspect - it *also* allows you to link and therefore to build on your own already-spent effort in a way that paper just can't do. | [17:55] |
| diana_coman: | dorion: re density/multidirection, it's hard to say at the moment exactly what would work for you; for one thing I expect you'll get better at it anyway as you get more used to it and for the other, if you don't, the precise way in which you tend to break it will show more clearly once you published more. | [18:00] |
| diana_coman: | dorion: as you say you'll finish this series this week, I'd say focus on it then and get it done and we talk afterwards, so next Tuesday since otherwise tomorrow we still pretty much continue from where we left off last time so there isn't a big gain. | [18:02] |
| diana_coman: | http://dorion-mode.com/2019/10/simple-steps-part-1-school-spirit/#comment-4 - in which dorion is introduced to some basic notions of sources and referencing; might come in handy for others too. | [18:14] |
| BingoBoingo: | dorion: If diana_coman thinks it would be a good use of your time, you can try writing tight prose for Qntra. | [22:11] |
| BingoBoingo: | Also, I'm curious what the legal codes are like in Panama. Have you read them yet? | [22:11] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: plox to comment at your earliest chance. nitpicks/flames welcome. | [23:08] |
| ossabot: | (trilema) 2019-10-21 feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3486 << Loper OS -- TMSR North Ameristan Rack Prospectus: Initial Draft. | [23:08] |
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