| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: congrats ! | [00:05] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: lemme know, when get chance, re if last-min. changes to cookbook that oughta be published, i'ma roll'em in when wake up. | [00:06] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: other than those in yesterday's log (eg the pl2303 kernel option) there was I think only an issue with the mirrors set in /etc/portage/make.conf since a few of them were not responding anymore and the whole thing would grind to a halt waiting/retrying on them; the .pl one comes to mind ; at any rate, I'll want to have everything local really so I don't need any mirrors but that can | [03:50] |
| diana_coman: | work of course only for a clearly defined set of needed packages so not sure there's anything for the recipe in there. | [03:50] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: "There are other examples, but I have run out of time to cover them." - bwahahaha, this asks for a good beating, you know? looking at roi on time spent is one thing but skipping stuff with "there's more but I ran out of time, so get lost" is an entirely different thing. | [03:53] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: "I don't know much about the author, and haven't read much of her blog, or her work in general," - the first part (I don't know much about X) may happen, it's a fact and so it only is; but the 2nd part is your utter failing and bad habit: confronted with the fact, you decided it did not matter, which is a very stupid thing to do. | [03:55] |
| diana_coman: | so no, if you don't know, you don't just wing it, wtf! you *should have read much of her blog* to find out! yes, summarizing ONE piece may mean having to read a whole lot more, absolutely. | [03:56] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: re conclusion that "doesn't come naturally": so you did this in whatever few hours you decided upfront it "should take" ; there is clearly some evolution from the initial mess; what do you think you've got for the time you spent on it? what do you think you need to do next to advance further on this direction? | [04:00] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: lolz, pretentious much? worthy of your time, really. | [04:02] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: the separation tmsr/non-tmsr doesn't work on the lines you make it there: tmsr is not "just technical", that's idiocy; and if you insist at keeping tmsr separate/secret/that-thing-which-is-not-exactly-what-I-am, you are just headed for utter failure (possibly after some longish amount of misery) | [07:34] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: similarly, you can't really be at the same time a great app-whore for assorted idiots and a man; if you insist with it, you'll just end up (at best) as the equivalent of a drag queen I suppose but it's really very unhealthy; you are better off bum-surfing for sure, in this case, since you get to actually enjoy some sort of life at least. | [07:38] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: finally, this approach that you'll make that plan and the other + time it and all will suddenly be great is 1. unlikely to work (and you seem to already have some experience that it doesn't) 2. incompatible really with a mentor; if you want to do your own thing, then go and do your own thing but mind the required [http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-26-Sep-2019#1003986][big goal & | [07:41] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-26 05:27:48 diana_coman: if this is of the sort "I think I'm better off on my own" then it's quite easy to sort out too - set yourself a big goal and a deadline for it - e.g. "I'll make it to lordship on my own steam by April 2021 or I'll go on 1st of May 2022 on my knees to whoever will take me and do something useful with me" | [07:41] |
| diana_coman: | deadline] | [07:41] |
| whaack: | diana_coman. good morning. 1) i see how the title comes off as pretentious and wish i could change it now 2) i guess i split into two categories because i didn't know whether or not items in section 2 were worth writing about for your consideration. but i understand first hand the problem w/ having tmsr as a secret side part, 3) re app-whoring. i can afford to snip this part out of my life, but i thought that its more prudent to g | [09:07] |
| whaack: | o into the software dev biz with the 'extract' rather than 'work from' mindset instead of just floating off the cash i have now. but perhaps there is a 3rd option i am not seeing. 4) i do not think i'm better off on my own. i should have concluded with "this is what i think is important to me, i hope this gives diana_coman something to work with re telling me what to do" | [09:07] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: there is a difference between "I'll have to eat some shit for subsistence for now" and "I want to become great at eating shit" | [09:10] |
| whaack: | lol | [09:10] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: realise that it's only what you write there that exist; there is this potential problem with distance-based help: since you aren't here, I can't look at you and see more than what you say/write. | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | exists*, gah | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: re software dev extract, as long as you make sure it's you doing the extracting and not the other way around, it can work; but note that each and every thing you do is still "you" and so, ideally, you'd still want to do something useful to yourself at least rather than damaging to yourself, that's the rub. | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: what are those "few programming languages" you say you learnt | [09:18] |
| whaack: | okay. i will try to put myself in your shoes being the person reading what i write so i can convey better. i realize that i didn't do that at all | [09:18] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: trouble is that you didn't really say much there; you classified the hell out of 3 beans basically | [09:19] |
| diana_coman: | it's not about putting yourself in my shoes (ha!), that's a bit silly in that 1. you won't have just one reader; if you have only 1, then it's conversation so it belongs here 2. if you could put yourself in my shoes, then you wouldn't need me at all. | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: you can and should, of course, review whatever you write ie read it after a while and see if/to which degree it makes sense | [09:21] |
| whaack: | well list of all the languages i have worked with in jobs/internships/school is: python, javascript, perl, go, ruby, c, and java | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | but that's quite a different thing and unrelated to a specific reader | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | o.O programming since you were 12 + bachelor at MIT and that's the whole list? | [09:22] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: btw the "save for another post" is such a shit; wtf, don't save anything, put it/link it there | [09:24] |
| diana_coman: | for that matter what, is your cv secret or anything? presumably you already have it anyway; plonk it somewhere on the site and link it, what | [09:24] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: say something. | [09:25] |
| whaack: | also scheme, and i learned a bit of cl on my own | [09:25] |
| whaack: | and a language autoscript v3 and some php a while back | [09:26] |
| diana_coman: | rather important to mention because it's a whole different category, you know? given your significant efforts at classifications otherwise | [09:27] |
| whaack: | from all those i would say the only one i know even somewhat well now though is python | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: anything for parallel architectures? | [09:27] |
| whaack: | no | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | adjusts MIT-image in own head, lol | [09:30] |
| whaack: | lol | [09:30] |
| whaack: | re my resume looking at it now it's so embarrassing i think it'd be easier for me to load and link nudes | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: ahahaha; well, you can do both, I don't mind; but why exactly? | [09:31] |
| whaack: | b.c. 1) it shows i've accomplished nothing 2) it is dishonest (most noteably i have proficient in CL) on it | [09:33] |
| whaack: | i'm uploading it now, i removed my phone number/contact from it but nothing else. | [09:38] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: lol, ok. | [09:38] |
| whaack: | it's a pdf though, would you link me to text dump it? | [09:39] |
| whaack: | er change it into a .txt ? | [09:39] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: it's ok, I'll read it on the toilet-comp | [09:40] |
| whaack: | http://ztkfg.com/wp-content/uploads/WillHaackResumeNoAddr.pdf | [09:43] |
| diana_coman: | if I search for those exams I get a boatload of "how to score" and ~nothing on the content they supposedly cover, lolz. | [09:49] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: so you did summer internships only and then landed this remote job after graduating; is that correct? | [09:50] |
| whaack: | correct, i never did a job full time. | [09:51] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: for that matter, does MIT do now only one degree? what was it exactly, lol | [09:51] |
| whaack: | Electrical Engineering and Computer Science (Course 6-3) | [09:53] |
| diana_coman: | "introduction to CS programming in Python", jeez | [09:54] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: was there actual electrical engineering too? from their curriculum at least I can't spot it | [09:56] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw the "cs requirements" at least sounds a not-terrible list but ofc those are only titles | [09:57] |
| whaack: | So within the EECS department there are three degrees 6-1, 6-2, and 6-3. 6-1 is pure EE, 6-2 is a mixture, and 6-3 is just software engineering (this may have changed a bit, the last year i was there they altered the curriculum slightly) | [09:57] |
| diana_coman: | apparently computation structures should have had some amount of hardware design; did it? | [09:58] |
| whaack: | yes it did, but i ~failed that course | [10:00] |
| diana_coman: | tsk | [10:00] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: re that "reading technique" - what's with the focus on speed of reading? how's the understanding? | [10:02] |
| whaack: | lol i guess that's my superficialness shining | [10:03] |
| whaack: | i don't know the best way to go about measuring my understanding | [10:03] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: ok; since you know python best, you'll start there: get the python V and review it in a post including annotating the code; what are you reading currently? | [10:07] |
| whaack: | the odyssey | [10:07] |
| diana_coman: | ha; in latin? :D | [10:07] |
| whaack: | George Palmer's translation | [10:07] |
| diana_coman: | can already wince at some summaries of that | [10:09] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: are you familiar otherwise with greek writings or how did you get to it? | [10:10] |
| whaack: | no i just chose it randomly while in a bookstore | [10:11] |
| diana_coman: | surprisingly fine for a random choice, there is that; anyways, how's it going then? | [10:12] |
| whaack: | uh poorly. i haven't been reading for a while now | [10:14] |
| whaack: | and by a while, i mean before i went to Costa Rica to get my lease | [10:16] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: lol! ok, for the time being you get on to V and figure out what it is, why it is, how it works and how is it implemented in the python version; note that there are a few reference posts on V so mandatory part of any of this | [10:18] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: if you need to, cut the above up in smaller steps and plan what you tackle this week | [10:19] |
| whaack: | as for the actual reading comprehension i've had while reading it, i would say that it has been a bit of a struggle. he switches how he refers to characters (by name, by title) and sometimes i have to go back and cross reference. | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: write your review of last week + plan for next; as it's already Sunday you get an extra day this week, so deadline for review+plan is end of Monday | [10:20] |
| whaack: | i feel i need to improve my short term memory, or find a way to cope with my low one. | [10:20] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: ack | [10:21] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: well, you can always make notes for one thing; in this specific case though the deeper trouble is probably the fact that you lack any familiarity with the context really; it's not just a piece by itself | [10:21] |
| diana_coman: | then again, you have to start *somewhere* anyway. | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: any questions? | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | (and hopefully I won't have to keep asking this) | [10:23] |
| whaack: | i have some but i will see if i can answer them myself first. (they are simple like - link to python v?) | [10:24] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: heh, ok. | [10:24] |
| whaack: | be back in a bit. i'm going to get the review + plan done tonight since i have a busy Monday with saltmines and meatwot obligations. | [10:29] |
| diana_coman: | works. | [10:34] |
| thimbronion: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-13-Oct-2019#1006052 << What should I have done here? Maybe I could have examined each case in more detail and if they were the same problem, coul have said so, and if not, noted the difference. | [11:36] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-13 03:53:27 diana_coman: thimbronion: "There are other examples, but I have run out of time to cover them." - bwahahaha, this asks for a good beating, you know? looking at roi on time spent is one thing but skipping stuff with "there's more but I ran out of time, so get lost" is an entirely different thing. | [11:36] |
| whaack: | back. doing a bit of cr prep and then onto writing review/plan. | [11:39] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: yes. | [11:44] |
| thimbronion: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-13-Oct-2019#1006055 << Is this what should be in the conclusion? | [11:45] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-13 04:00:36 diana_coman: thimbronion: re conclusion that "doesn't come naturally": so you did this in whatever few hours you decided upfront it "should take" ; there is clearly some evolution from the initial mess; what do you think you've got for the time you spent on it? what do you think you need to do next to advance further on this direction? | [11:45] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: given what you wrote, those are the lines the conclusions flows on, yes; not much of a conclusion of review since review is not finished really but at least a conclusion of the exercise, hence ~what was learnt here. | [11:47] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: trying to figure out what to do next. I need to write my review + plan in roughly the next hour, and I'm not sure what action I should take next regarding the conclusion. | [11:51] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: can you draw that sort of conclusion directly in the review? | [12:01] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: yes. | [12:01] |
| diana_coman: | so then add it there; this week focus on the irc mainly; take a break from summarizing stuff as most blogs are still offline anyway | [12:02] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: will do. | [12:20] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: for the review, i plan to post it on younghands and then link to it from my blog. i will go over my successes/failures of the todolist you had me make, which includes the my-interests post. i plan to copy shrysr's format, is there an outline you gave him? | [12:25] |
| asciilifeform: | waves to diana_coman | [12:26] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: no outline given; format is entirely up to you; the rest sounds fine. | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | hi asciilifeform ; I'm getting to the conclusion here that trying to jam both prod and dev servers on same machine is really NOT worth it, ugh. | [12:32] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: it is my understanding that you had these on separate machines prior | [12:33] |
| asciilifeform: | adding diana_coman's commentary into cookbook for publication | [12:33] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: I did, yes; on one hand I wanted to find out if using same machine is even really feasible (despite my previous idea that it's not; apparently I should have stuck to that idea) | [12:33] |
| diana_coman: | and on the other hand, I had this machine ready anyway | [12:34] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: current draft . comments invited. | [12:38] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: btw, post the plan on younghands too or I might not get to see it timely. | [12:38] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: yes, both the review and plan will be on younghands | [12:39] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: if you have time, plox to review the final cut of cookbook. | [12:41] |
| asciilifeform: | brb:teatime | [12:42] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: can that wait until tomorrow? today I rather need to get to the bottom of this server trouble. | [12:43] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: aite. i'ma deed the current draft, if major mistakes are found, will post corrections as before. | [13:01] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: i'ma next make a usbstick install of the item, to replace the heathen iso ref'd to in the cookbook, and containing the actual tarball. so as to make possible single-stick (and optionally using rs232 console) installs . | [13:34] |
| asciilifeform: | needs this personally, but may be of use to people setting up fleets of boxen containing this item or even cuntoo . | [13:35] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: thank you; re ftp account I did not forget and it's on the list but most probably tomorrow. | [13:36] |
| asciilifeform: | ty diana_coman . re 'one-stick', it may prove necessary for remote installs in leased iron, typically teleoperated kvm permits ~one~ virtual 'disk' to be emplaced. | [13:38] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: that's something I will have to learn about, it would seem; sigh. | [13:38] |
| whaack: | This weeks review: http://younghands.club/2019/10/review-of-week-05-oct-7th-oct-14th/ | [14:22] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: no need to ping, feedbot will do it for me anyway | [14:28] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: ah okay | [14:30] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: when you have 5min, can plz paste your list of currently ~working gentoo mirrors? ty | [15:47] |
| asciilifeform: | ( i'd rather not put the stone-dead ones in the new tar ) | [15:47] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: apropos : as soon as i actually get a box in that cage (or maxim's, whichever comes 1st) will make a mirror. cuz wtf heathen mirrors. | [15:48] |
| shinohai: | http://packages.gentooexperimental.org is one of few working heathen mirrors for me | [15:59] |
| asciilifeform: | shinohai: there's 3 types : stone-dead; has-packages but missing 'ohnoez obsolete' (per shitgnomes) versions; and, the rarest, 'actually has 10y of tarballs' | [16:00] |
| asciilifeform: | so far i only have type-1 and type-2 | [16:00] |
| shinohai: | ive been slowly assembling own packages like gpg-1.4.10 and gcc-4.9.4 on there | [16:01] |
| shinohai: | so always handy | [16:02] |
| asciilifeform: | shinohai: these erryone has ( the latter is in fact in the published gentoo . ) the problems typically happen w/ smaller, moar-obscure dependencies , libs, etc. | [16:02] |
| asciilifeform: | as with e.g. the mysql shitsoup | [16:02] |
| shinohai: | dunno you know me, i avoid mysql like plague >.< | [16:03] |
| asciilifeform: | shinohai: idea is to eventually collect all the pieces that cannot be done without, from the folx who dun avoid. | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: yeah, I'd rather not have any mirrors and tbh I tend to install stuff offline anyway | [16:04] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: when all tarballs collected, can in fact dispense w/ the mirrors and put'em in the stick image. | [16:04] |
| diana_coman: | I guess so; it was the mysql one that I had to hunt for (I actually had it in one of the backups too but I managed to find a mirror still having it too because as you say, there are those that obsolete bla) | [16:05] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: fwiw errything that's actually in the dulap gentoo , is also found in its /usr/portage/distfiles. (i'ma separate'em out of the tar and make dir on the installer stick from which copied to same during install, so folx can add) | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: is the plan here to have another deed? | [16:05] |
| diana_coman: | or can I take and check current one or what? | [16:05] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: the current one is usable (it's what you used) but i am sewing a '1stick' installer . | [16:06] |
| diana_coman: | ah, ok; let me first check this as promised | [16:06] |
| asciilifeform: | this, when i test it and find it satisfactory, will also deed. | [16:06] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: possibly i ought to include e.g. ave1's gnat, or other items that diana_coman deems essential, in the installer. | [16:06] |
| asciilifeform: | vtron for instance. | [16:07] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: correct the category on one of your posts | [16:07] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: idea is to make a '10 minute' installer system . | [16:07] |
| diana_coman: | whaack, thimbronion, shrysr add to titles your initials differentiate in the recent posts too | [16:08] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and one that can actually be used on teleoperated boxen. the current one, is difficult to do this with, for the reasons discussed ) | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: I got it; but currently I promised MP I'll check your deeded recipe *today* so this is 1st priority | [16:08] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: plz do. my next item is to be made 100\% from the current one. | [16:09] |
| asciilifeform: | ( plus any additions nominated by diana_coman for inclusion ) | [16:09] |
| asciilifeform: | baking a bootable stick that is actually made of dulap-gentoo as portrayed in the recipe, rather than rando heathen-ftp item used to boot for baking the orig. | [16:11] |
| asciilifeform: | brb:tea | [16:11] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: gnat, vpatch, and some vtron would be nice to have packaged for a future '10 minute' version. | [16:13] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: done. also fixed spelling of profile name from haak -> haack (category was already correctly spelled haack) | [16:13] |
| BingoBoingo: | wondering why the fuck linux distributions keep up the pretense they are different things when everything needs compiled by hand anyways | [16:13] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: funnily enough I actually used precisely the same gentoo livedvd iso as you list in the recipe | [16:21] |
| diana_coman: | only now I realised | [16:21] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: at point 3 that adjust until target disk is /dev/sda, ugh; for that matter, it really should work on *any* block device, no? did you check re lilo (as the only iffy part I can think of atm)? | [16:26] |
| diana_coman: | BingoBoingo: well, pretense is cheap and dear to they pretending. | [16:26] |
| diana_coman: | re distributions, I think there should be mysql and postgres too. | [16:27] |
| BingoBoingo: | once has blog back will chronicle the CentOS process and offer apache and php tarballs | [16:29] |
| diana_coman: | BingoBoingo: do you happen to have at hand the magic incantation to make the permalinks work on mpwp on centos? I know there was something and it's somewhere deep in my centos-install notes but didn't yet get to excavate it for thimbronion | [16:30] |
| diana_coman: | if you don't have it, don't worry & esp don't spend time on it, I'll dig it up tomorrow | [16:31] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: I do not at the moment, if centos requires a magic incantation others don't. Ended up building apache and php from source, whatever solution I produce will almost certainly not be applicable for whatever retardation they customize their httpd with | [16:32] |
| diana_coman: | BingoBoingo: no no, it was something to do with enabling rewrite mode in apache (because that's how the permalinks work) + the env of the dir so that the permissions take or similar; but nm, tomorrow I get around to all the notes anyway so I'll spit it out. | [16:35] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: Ah, ty. I will keep a look out. | [16:36] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: i'ma attempt a run where dev is 'sdb' . | [16:41] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I fixed my permalink issue by setting AllowOverride to All in httpd.conf for the directory mp-wp is in. | [21:05] |
| asciilifeform: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945418 << forgot to mention, it has to be a fs that aint what you're running from, when doing this. (gotta boot w/stick) otherwise symlinks will break. | [22:54] |
| ossabot: | (trilema) 2019-10-13 asciilifeform: diana_coman: to ~make~ a tarball that can be used in place of 'r2', using a working install w/ whatevr customizations in it, mount the fs at a /mnt/gentoo and then e.g. tar pcvfz diana_coman-gentoo.tar.gz /mnt/gentoo . this snapshot can then be used to replicate to whatever others. | [22:54] |
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