| mircea_popescu: | aaand the 3 clicks of app bouq yielded... no new bps ;/ | [00:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | now i'm out of tomes, i'm out of inks... | [01:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | you name it. if it's something to be out of, i'm out of it. | [01:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | !QAuction 29mn 72 87 AW q310 | [01:03] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 365 STARTED by mircea_popescu: 87 AW q310 Opening: 29mn coppers Ending: 2018-09-12 05:03:44 UTC (72 hours) | [01:03] |
| lobbesbot: | A#365 O=29mn HB=No bids E=09-12 05:03:44 (71h15) >>> 87 AW q310 | [01:48] |
| lobbesbot: | A#364 O=300mn HB=300mn E=09-11 21:41:12 (63h52) >>> 3244 CH d55446 | [01:48] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 300mn total bids --- | [01:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm doing ibs, it's so weird, the skill bar barely moved overnight... | [12:18] |
| diana_coman: | ibs is tiny value, what | [12:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | it is yeah, i think i do 500ecu or so a click | [12:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw Mocky , any chance you do the crafting part of the bot also ? | [12:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | here's a delta list from current foxybot : 1. fix the autotraining ; 2. add mixing as a special command, /bot mix ; 3. add an extra step of pickup-drop product to a separate table. currently you can't really craft so well because if the end product overweightds you it has to stop. in runs like ibs the end product is relatively bulky, limits one to a few hundred clicks. | [12:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw diana_coman you got low q dt / bd bps ? | [12:23] |
| diana_coman: | no | [12:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | you want sr ? | [12:23] |
| diana_coman: | I'm digging some up but honestly atm I kind of let fox dig for digging's sake | [12:26] |
| Mocky: | mircea_popescu, 1 fixed already: http://mocky.org/Foxybot-Enhancements-Part-7-A-Quick-One-Two/ | [12:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky a nice! | [12:28] |
| Mocky: | the other two, yeah I can do | [12:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman alrighty. | [12:28] |
| diana_coman: | I think the next part bot could really do with would be a reliable get-and-mix from storage; i.e. get all stacks of some item between q1 and q2 (using a table probably) and mix them in q bands | [12:29] |
| diana_coman: | and store back I suppose, lol | [12:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky your footnote system misses the handy [â\u0086©] device on trilema. this is very useful. if you ever end up having ccx of them it becomes painfully obvious, but its useful in general. | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman this is a good point, yeah! | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky /bot unstore ? | [12:30] |
| Mocky: | yeah i can totally see the need for storage automation | [12:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | definitely. | [12:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky thinking about it, if indeed you do the storage thing first, then step 3 simply becomes "store product when overweight" | [12:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | much easier | [12:35] |
| Mocky: | true, minus the part where you can't actually store when overweight so gotta do some manipulations | [12:36] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, in case it helps, old public foxybot still has in there a class that shows some dealing with storage - it remained precisely for illustration purposes; initially I wrote it with the idea that bot gets what it needs for crafting directly from storage (not a bad idea either but it would need more work to make sure it gets the q one wants and so on) | [12:37] |
| Mocky: | spiffy footnotes would be a nice addition to the blog | [12:37] |
| Mocky: | diana_coman, yeah i used it for reference when making my all all button. the approach seems pretty clear | [12:39] |
| lobbesbot: | A#365 O=29mn HB=No bids E=09-12 05:03:44 (60h15) >>> 87 AW q310 | [12:48] |
| lobbesbot: | A#364 O=300mn HB=300mn E=09-11 21:41:12 (52h52) >>> 3244 CH d55446 | [12:48] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 300mn total bids --- | [12:48] |
| Mocky: | one thing about /bot [un]store is that it should default to using a table: if you could hold it in your inv then you wouldn't need the bot. am I wrong about that? | [12:49] |
| Mocky: | another thing is parsing item names, or short codes. The short codes aren't all unique are they? it would be nicer to use "/bot store pss" than having to type the full name each time | [12:54] |
| Mocky: | the third thing is the quality specification. i was thinking it could be a number (/bot store pss 100) or a range (/bot unstore pss 100-499). | [12:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky not wrong re table ; how DID you do the 1-in-a-circle thing anywa ? | [13:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | and the 3letter ids are mostly unique ;/ know of any nonunique ones ? | [13:07] |
| Mocky: | oh, my blog is a made with a static site generator on top of asciidoc format articles (plus the comments I hand rolled in python) the 1-in-a-circle things are 'callouts' that come as a feature of any quoted block in asciidoc | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, if you take hanbot 's published footnote thing and splice the 1-circle stuff as an alternartive face for it that'd be a gain! | [13:20] |
| hanbot: | !Qbid 365 29mn | [13:22] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 365: 87 AW q310 Heard: 29mn from hanbot Ending: 2018-09-12 05:03:44 UTC (59 hours 40 mins) | [13:22] |
| hanbot: | o hallo :) | [13:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky o btw, your nuker will be great for crafting, i keep having to relog because "can't pick up bag" | [13:38] |
| Mocky: | oh really, cool | [13:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually /bot nuke shoiuld prolly be exposed. | [13:40] |
| lobbesbot: | A#365 O=29mn HB=29mn E=09-12 05:03:44 (59h15) >>> 87 AW q310 | [13:48] |
| lobbesbot: | A#364 O=300mn HB=300mn E=09-11 21:41:12 (51h52) >>> 3244 CH d55446 | [13:48] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 329mn total bids --- | [13:48] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 365: 87 AW q310 Heard: 30mn from danielpbarron overbidding hanbot Ending: 2018-09-12 05:03:44 UTC (58 hours 44 mins) | [14:18] |
| diana_coman: | oh my, found another way to block the bot: full inventory so takeall failed with no more space and bot got stuck waiting on the message it knew | [14:21] |
| diana_coman: | funny how much space all the enums actually take in inv anyway | [14:22] |
| Mocky: | ah, bot swapping enums always puts to empty spot instead of stacking, so wastes space | [14:24] |
| diana_coman: | right, there is that too; but at any rate, 2 stacks of enums (tiny+small) per resource for *all* resources by now plus some stacks of bundles , plus some keys, cft, lbn ... | [14:25] |
| Mocky: | do your enums not get used up? do you bring extra? | [14:27] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, here and there some remain (glitched claim, missing key, whatevers) and one extra is enough basically | [14:28] |
| Mocky: | right | [14:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | sometimes ords also. | [14:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, this is irritating : bot gets "can not pick up" ghosted sack every ~100 clicks or so. | [14:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe i'm shaving too close, with these 6000 delays. let's try 6666 | [14:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand dead in 8 clicks. fucking bs. | [14:39] |
| lobbesbot: | A#365 O=29mn HB=30mn E=09-12 05:03:44 (58h15) >>> 87 AW q310 | [14:48] |
| lobbesbot: | A#364 O=300mn HB=300mn E=09-11 21:41:12 (50h52) >>> 3244 CH d55446 | [14:48] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 330mn total bids --- | [14:48] |
| lobbesbot: | A#365 O=29mn HB=30mn E=09-12 05:03:44 (58h0) >>> 87 AW q310 | [15:02] |
| lobbesbot: | A#364 O=300mn HB=300mn E=09-11 21:41:12 (50h38) >>> 3244 CH d55446 | [15:02] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 330mn total bids --- | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | now table gets full in ~80 explores even with only 2 resources, pfft | [15:22] |
| lobbesbot: | A#365 O=29mn HB=30mn E=09-12 05:03:44 (57h15) >>> 87 AW q310 | [15:48] |
| lobbesbot: | A#364 O=300mn HB=300mn E=09-11 21:41:12 (49h52) >>> 3244 CH d55446 | [15:48] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 330mn total bids --- | [15:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | ouch | [16:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe wider q bands ? | [16:08] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, it would make sense...different bands; basically if I use wider bands, I'll just drown the 100-200 into < 100 for instance; it would probably make more sense to widen the bands as q goes up | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | something like 1-100; 101-300; 301-600 | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | because I get thousands of items <100 but at most hundreds less than 300 and a few only > 500 for instance | [16:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | hmmm | [16:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | just when i thought this is all getting insanely complex, "hey mocky... log bands ? :D" | [16:29] |
| diana_coman: | yeah well, it wasn't going to be simply linear | [16:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman do you incidentally recall which was the trilema article where iwas all butthurt about auctions not working ? | [16:29] |
| diana_coman: | aha, I did not want to add to his pile just yet, lol | [16:29] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I just looked at the one re resource allocation but I don't think it's that; I don't recall one *specifically* for that | [16:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | i spent a while pissed off about a certain breakage, then we came up with the answer that "of course if one of the [few] buyers becomes a seller prices depress" | [16:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | it was basically a "too narrow pool" issue. | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | ah, I recall the discussion - I'd have thought it to be in the logs though? | [16:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | was it ? | [16:35] |
| diana_coman: | such as this re complaining: http://logs.minigame.biz/2016-04-03.log.html#t18:49:13 | [16:36] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2016-04-03 18:49:13: <mircea_popescu> and yes, among other things capital allocation is an utter mess. imps sell for less than basics, private deals go for 2x the auction price, cs fetch 200\% etc etc. | [16:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess ima go with http://logs.minigame.biz/2016-04-03.log.html#t18:49:13 ; thouygh... | [16:36] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2016-04-03 18:49:13: <mircea_popescu> and yes, among other things capital allocation is an utter mess. imps sell for less than basics, private deals go for 2x the auction price, cs fetch 200\% etc etc. | [16:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | hahaha. i thought there was a different item though, where i specifically say "auctions don't work" and thrash about for a while. | [16:36] |
| diana_coman: | I remember the discussion re too narrow pool, yes; hm | [16:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.biz/2016-04-03.log.html#t19:06:14 << this is particularly hysterical because guess what... at the beginning of gin run i HAD 50k ltf. | [16:39] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2016-04-03 19:06:14: <mircea_popescu> well that was more a function of other things - 1 tlc remark means what, 50k ltf. we didn't have 50k ltf | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, maybe this? http://trilema.com/2017/dialogue-on-economy-and-other-things/ | [16:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty!! | [16:42] |
| lobbesbot: | A#365 O=29mn HB=30mn E=09-12 05:03:44 (56h15) >>> 87 AW q310 | [16:48] |
| lobbesbot: | A#364 O=300mn HB=300mn E=09-11 21:41:12 (48h52) >>> 3244 CH d55446 | [16:48] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 330mn total bids --- | [16:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | hanbot i think your blog buldgeon my comment. what i was trying to send is http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7HoUq/?raw=true | [16:48] |
| hanbot: | looks | [16:50] |
| hanbot: | mircea_popescu should be good now | [16:55] |
| Mocky: | re quality bands: my thought was just like so >> http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-09-09.log.html#t20:27:49 with the exception that the top and bottom bands do not actually need to be specified: "101-300" implies everything lower into a band and everything higher into a band | [17:11] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2018-09-09 20:27:49: <diana_coman> something like 1-100; 101-300; 301-600 | [17:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | a ty! | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky so basically have fixed 3 bands ? | [17:14] |
| Mocky: | no, arbitrary number, e.g. 1-50 51-100 101-200 201-500 | [17:21] |
| Mocky: | but with a default top band (^ >500) and also default bottom if not specified | [17:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | this makes sense... | [17:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | config file eh ? | [17:33] |
| lobbesbot: | A#365 O=29mn HB=30mn E=09-12 05:03:44 (55h15) >>> 87 AW q310 | [17:48] |
| lobbesbot: | A#364 O=300mn HB=300mn E=09-11 21:41:12 (47h52) >>> 3244 CH d55446 | [17:48] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 330mn total bids --- | [17:48] |
| Mocky: | config file is needed, yes | [17:50] |
| lobbesbot: | A#365 O=29mn HB=30mn E=09-12 05:03:44 (54h15) >>> 87 AW q310 | [18:48] |
| lobbesbot: | A#364 O=300mn HB=300mn E=09-11 21:41:12 (46h52) >>> 3244 CH d55446 | [18:48] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 330mn total bids --- | [18:48] |
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