| lobbesbot: | A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (62h57) >>> 3050 IO q76 | [00:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#283 O=153mn HB=153mn E=07-11 08:23:55 (4h13) >>> 634 WOA q839 | [00:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (63h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429 | [00:10] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 174mn total bids --- | [00:10] |
| hanbot: | vss very what? what! omg. | [00:46] |
| hanbot: | are you selling it? | [00:46] |
| lobbesbot: | A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (61h57) >>> 3050 IO q76 | [01:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#283 O=153mn HB=153mn E=07-11 08:23:55 (3h13) >>> 634 WOA q839 | [01:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (62h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429 | [01:10] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 174mn total bids --- | [01:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think i'd rather hold on to it. | [01:28] |
| lobbesbot: | A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (60h57) >>> 3050 IO q76 | [02:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#283 O=153mn HB=153mn E=07-11 08:23:55 (2h13) >>> 634 WOA q839 | [02:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (61h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429 | [02:10] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 174mn total bids --- | [02:10] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 283 has ENDED: 634 WOA q839 SOLD to diana_coman for 153mn coppers. Attn: mircea_popescu | [04:24] |
| lobbesbot: | A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (57h57) >>> 3050 IO q76 | [05:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (58h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429 | [05:10] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 21mn total bids --- | [05:10] |
| diana_coman: | soooo fox clicks bundle worth 36mn and she gets...9mn of nosehairs with a sprinkle of flags; onth cor clicks bundle 33mn and he gets 31mn consisting in 3 wheels + some vapours | [10:01] |
| diana_coman: | clearly fox can bundle but not click | [10:01] |
| lobbesbot: | A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (52h57) >>> 3050 IO q76 | [10:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (53h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429 | [10:10] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 21mn total bids --- | [10:10] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, convenient time to get the woa? | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | !QCalc 1.2*15367*59*0.56 | [10:16] |
| lobbesbot: | diana_coman: 609270.816 | [10:16] |
| diana_coman: | !QAuction 609k 48 15367 Boulders q56 | [10:17] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 292 STARTED by diana_coman: 15367 Boulders q56 Opening: 609k coppers Ending: 2018-07-13 14:17:50 UTC (48 hours) | [10:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman sure lemme fish it out | [10:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | !Qbid 292 610k | [10:20] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 292: 15367 Boulders q56 Heard: 610k from mircea_popescu Ending: 2018-07-13 14:17:50 UTC (47 hours 57 mins) | [10:20] |
| diana_coman: | apparently foxy is at least skilled enough to dig up boulders , just about | [10:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol i got a portable foxy to trade with | [10:21] |
| diana_coman: | lol, how's that? | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | dang full. | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | listen accept ima give you the rest 2nd pass | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman because my client thinks im you. so wherever i go so do you! | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | ahahah | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | 10coins also | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | aha, cool | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, any eta on bot release? | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | those mini-runs are a pain really | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | omg mocky, diana_coman is encroaching upon our poptop! | [10:25] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, you know, I even got a few more vapours and q 1800+ | [10:25] |
| diana_coman: | basically cor's the guy for any lucky strikes | [10:25] |
| Mocky: | mining bot release: Friday July 13, 18:30 GMT | [10:26] |
| Mocky: | approx | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | ahahah | [10:26] |
| diana_coman: | 12 trecute fix | [10:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [10:27] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky, sounds good, 2 more days to go | [10:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | !Qcalc 23.60 * 1764 * 12255 | [10:29] |
| lobbesbot: | mircea_popescu: 510180552 | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | ha. | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is my entire stock of ancient woa ; i'm pretty satisfied it can't be reproduced in current conditions. | [10:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | is willing to sell, but... pricing such things... | [10:31] |
| diana_coman: | lol those stocks; you kept saying you were out of it iirc | [10:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is less q. was out of the topmost bestest. | [10:32] |
| diana_coman: | anyways atm there is ~no demand for lvl2 numina of any sort it would seem so it's unclear even what to do with those I kept buying | [10:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | hmmm, i guess nope. wtf was i saying ? | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman where did i say that ? | [10:35] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, what? | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-12.log.html#t06:07:53 http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-06.log.html#t00:39:42 http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-03.log.html#t22:00:09 << prev three auctions | [10:35] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2018-06-12 06:07:53: <mircea_popescu> !Qauction 70mn 120 99 WOA q2310 | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman that i was out of woa | [10:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman anyway, i'd buy mites high q actually. | [10:36] |
| diana_coman: | at what markup and what is "high q"? | [10:36] |
| diana_coman: | min high q, lol | [10:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | look what my problem is : | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1. i gotta click bouq cons, because i suspect the only way to get into journeyman is doing that. | [10:37] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [10:37] |
| diana_coman: | still remembers the 1 try thing | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2. the problem with cons is that if you pop, you get loot, but if your output is < bundle bv, you get maculature. | [10:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | (2.1. i have a shitload of processed maculature, ie lbn, which doesn't sell worth a crap ; and a bunch of high q dusts/mites i made this way) | [10:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | ((2.1.1. maybe with mocky's bot being active the lbn stocks burn off and there's some demand, dunno.))) | [10:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3. the bv of the bundle can be either book+ink or mites. these are two directly separable classes. | [10:38] |
| diana_coman: | I suspect it will burn off, yes; fwiw even with those mini-runs I eat up a stack of lbn in < day | [10:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | 4. should i have noob click or click myself ? what if higher level crafter has better chances at looting high end shit if he loots ? | [10:39] |
| diana_coman: | I suspect you simply need to click it with noob | [10:39] |
| diana_coman: | but better chances bla bla don't even come into play if you don't have enough input to even account for them | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | so in conclusion : a. waiting may be wise ; b. if mite \% is < book+ink \% then i want mites. if not maybe not, because i suspect it's better to do 10 clicks 10mn each than 1 100mn click ? | [10:40] |
| diana_coman: | think of it: high crafter means ALSO high q and you are aiming for high end so ... | [10:40] |
| diana_coman: | dunno, what's the bv of journeyman cons? | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | right, but these are bps, none of them are worth 1mn. | [10:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | lessee | [10:40] |
| diana_coman: | but if you get them at some 10k q or whatevs... | [10:40] |
| diana_coman: | that's the added trouble with high skilled | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman 30k. | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, no, i project i'd be getting q ~200 or so. | [10:41] |
| diana_coman: | and what q do you say you'd get? | [10:41] |
| diana_coman: | ah | [10:42] |
| diana_coman: | then I don't know, it might be feasible for you; with fox I can tell you that on a 1-2 clicks sort of thing chances are ~0; because she'll get out of it about a quarter of what she put in so ... | [10:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's another cartch : | [10:42] |
| diana_coman: | see above the report on the 34mn bundles | [10:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | 5. if i have noob click i get ~worthless maculature. if i click myself at least i can make high q lbn after | [10:43] |
| diana_coman: | not to mention that goodness, one wants low q cons, not insane high q again | [10:43] |
| diana_coman: | there is no such thing as worthless maculature really, lol | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically, i can't make a decision as to either i) who to click ; ii) how to loadout or o.o) do it now or wait. | [10:43] |
| diana_coman: | I get it, you have 1k rank in bouq or some shit | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is the state of the art in the high end bouq line, for anyone's edification. | [10:43] |
| diana_coman: | wait for what? | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | for lbn to burn off creating a market for it. | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | as per 2.1.1 | [10:44] |
| diana_coman: | scratches head | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | what ? | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | if i could price lbn i could price maculature permitting me to resolve i) and ii) | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | or at least get closer to it. | [10:44] |
| diana_coman: | nothing can be priced for reals currently | [10:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | well certainly not with a mega glut of lbn sitting around. | [10:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can't imagine thread is worth 135\% on q 100, but lbn q15k is worth 120\% | [10:45] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, I'm not even all that sure tbh | [10:46] |
| diana_coman: | because on smalls I get higher q ~always | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [10:46] |
| diana_coman: | and since lower q harvestables are barely paid even 120\% | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | well wtf can i tell you ; atm the problem is "here, take the risk of this 8 or even 9!!! figure click, and the result may well be a) 24\% or so of what you put in and b) market valued ~120\%, even if you paid 250\% on the ingredients, and used the most expensive tool/bp in the game etc". | [10:47] |
| diana_coman: | I am not at all that keen on tinies; sure, on the odd occasion they pop when overloaded but onth I'd much rather pop on a small | [10:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think i lost like a billion and a half last month doing consen. | [10:48] |
| diana_coman: | I honestly don't see the case for high q crafter click; the ~only "reason" is your repeatedly stated assertion that higher q crafter has better chances on high end stuff | [10:48] |
| diana_coman: | which btw is unclear where it's coming from so it's kind of suspiciously "because I know something you don't " | [10:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | repeated ? | [10:48] |
| diana_coman: | goes to search logs | [10:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | looky! you said i said im out of woa, can't find it ; oyu say i said etc. whar!!! | [10:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | i prolly said i suspect, which i do suspect. because it's suspicious. | [10:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | moreover -- the job here is to pop, and i've never seen a noob pop on anything. | [10:50] |
| diana_coman: | gah, I hate this thing: I keep remembering stuff but no way to find it in logs | [10:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's true i've never actually popped on consen either ; but then again i've seen non-noobs pop on other things. myself included | [10:50] |
| diana_coman: | right, suspect, not "it IS so" | [10:50] |
| diana_coman: | that certainly | [10:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually... scratch that... i think my bn pop WAS a cons pop ? wasn't it ? | [10:50] |
| diana_coman: | what do you mean no pop on cons?? | [10:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | who ever popped on cons ? | [10:51] |
| diana_coman: | uhm; isn't the top full of cons click pops? or what don't I get here | [10:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | well look, if i give mocky 46mn worth of bundle and he puts a 45.5 mn pop in the tops, it's true, it's a pop | [10:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | but what i'm talking about is take x bundle, spit out 100x or 10000x worth of product | [10:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | THAT kind of pop. | [10:51] |
| diana_coman: | myeah, the only sort I would have called pop to start with; fwiw cor DID get several times more than he put in; now the factor wasn't 10000x for sure | [10:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | and as best i understand it, THAT is the job ; get a cons pop, as in, click a 10 or 100mn bundle, get 1bn or 1trn ecu worth of loot | [10:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | among which, hopefully, some j cons. | [10:52] |
| diana_coman: | yes, the only way I saw that happening was on some long run | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's some logic to this, eg my 20mn pop yest yelded a vss ; i popped many times on maculature, and only EVER got vss on very high pops. | [10:53] |
| diana_coman: | i.e. keep losing 75\% (foxy) until finally you win 1000x | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | if this is correct, then indeed it is much better to do 10 cons clicks on a 10mn bundle than to do a single one on a 100mn bundle. | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | and if THIS is true, then it's possibly better to do full ink / dt clicks with little numina. | [10:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | so it all goes to : what's dt \%, what's mites \%. | [10:54] |
| diana_coman: | and what can you get in there anyway I guess | [10:54] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, is dt cheaper than mites? | [10:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://lobbesblog.com/queryauctions/pricehistory/auction.php?AuctionId=157 << 300\% in the old days. | [10:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno what dt even is nowadays. | [10:55] |
| diana_coman: | and to wrap up earlier thread re better chances of highly skilled to hit high end stuff: do you mean that in the sense that high skill means better chances of higher multiplier i.e. get one time some 10000x of input? | [10:55] |
| diana_coman: | or more than that? | [10:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | i only got q1k bps, and i dun wanna lcick them ;/ | [10:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | you got low q dt bps ? | [10:56] |
| diana_coman: | all my dt bps are high q and that kind of gets me stumped because | [10:56] |
| diana_coman: | ahaha | [10:56] |
| diana_coman: | ^ | [10:56] |
| diana_coman: | nope | [10:56] |
| diana_coman: | I thought you clicked mcguyver cons | [10:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | never got a dt. | [10:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | correction, actually iirc noob hanbot popped like 10mn worth of thorns | [10:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | in like... 2015. | [10:59] |
| diana_coman: | aha! | [11:00] |
| diana_coman: | http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-17.log.html#t23:38:57 -> I think this registered not quite precisely, possibly because of the next line re flagons | [11:07] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2018-06-17 23:38:57: <mircea_popescu> ^that'll be the last batch for at least a while. | [11:07] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, getting back to the dilemma re clicks, it would seem that noob can do 1-2 clicks with a lighter heart; highly skilled should better make sure they have enough stuff for a long run where "long" is up to one's luck pretty much | [11:09] |
| lobbesbot: | A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (51h57) >>> 3050 IO q76 | [11:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#292 O=609k HB=610k E=07-13 14:17:50 (47h7) >>> 15367 Boulders q56 | [11:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (52h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429 | [11:10] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 21.61mn total bids --- | [11:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman ah i see! | [11:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, it's true, at the time the situation re woa was vague, and i wasn't going to sell more till i figured out wtf. | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile bought, wpl, got flagons made, made and sold an experimental run, so in a better position to know | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | thus publicised stock. | [11:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose'd have benefited from more verbosity. | [11:31] |
| diana_coman: | makes sense; searching the logs for this was a bitch though and I have no idea what to do to make it easier next time | [11:37] |
| lobbesbot: | A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (50h57) >>> 3050 IO q76 | [12:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#292 O=609k HB=610k E=07-13 14:17:50 (46h7) >>> 15367 Boulders q56 | [12:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (51h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429 | [12:10] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 21.61mn total bids --- | [12:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | lobbes can search get a from: operator ? | [16:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman so i got like 40mn or so worth of mites ; and i got books for 18 clicks, so i could in principle make 2mn bundles and lcick them see what comes out... | [16:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | +1.4mn for book itself and 2mn or so from the ink, of course, so like 5-6mn in total per click. | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course, part of the problem is that i gotta bundle 2 books at a minimum. and i dun wanna use 2 books. | [16:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically the two stallers on bouq research are a) the stalled dt production line and b) the lbn glut | [16:34] |
| lobbesbot: | A#290 O=16.5mn HB=No bids E=07-13 19:08:30 (45h57) >>> 3050 IO q76 | [17:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#292 O=609k HB=610k E=07-13 14:17:50 (41h7) >>> 15367 Boulders q56 | [17:10] |
| lobbesbot: | A#291 O=16.5mn HB=21mn E=07-13 19:31:20 (46h20) >>> 14 AW q711.827571429 | [17:10] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 21.61mn total bids --- | [17:10] |
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