| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu: (6000+8508+9405) * 60 * .09 *.1 = 12913.0 <- oh, at bv? so he's in principle better off getting his 10\% as grass and then selling it | [02:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much do you want to pay him ? | [07:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman ^ | [07:25] |
| diana_coman: | I usually pay 10\% of output for building claims so if it's in coppers it's at market value: that'll be *1.5 the above | [08:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you pay more for the same work on the basis of what your claim is ? | [08:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | wouldn't it be more logical to pay more for flotsam and less for st, in this construction ? | [08:06] |
| diana_coman: | well, I really won't be giving st to a noob | [08:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes but just because you don't apply the model where it doesn't work doesn't make it a good model. | [08:06] |
| diana_coman: | oh, I fully agree it is not a good model at all | [08:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean i'm not against paying teh noobs a fair price, and obv it'll have to float with the market, | [08:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | but the reasoning given's unsound. | [08:07] |
| diana_coman: | do you offer 10\% in whatever it is or is your model 10\% of bv of whatever you bring? | [08:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't actually give out the material, chiefly because what use has a noob of it ? | [08:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | they'll just have to sell it back. | [08:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | is your idea to simply bump price to 15\% ? | [08:08] |
| diana_coman: | yes, but they will sell it at market value, not at base value, won't they? | [08:08] |
| diana_coman: | no | [08:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm just saying it makes 0 sense to give out some of the material to a noob that isn't a crafter. it's like paying coal miners in coal lumps. | [08:08] |
| diana_coman: | basically with your model they ARE better off taking 10\% as grass, aren't they? | [08:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't offer "take 10\% as grass". | [08:09] |
| diana_coman: | that was my question | [08:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's "you get paid this much" | [08:09] |
| diana_coman: | whether you offer or not; so no, then yeah, that's what they get and that is it | [08:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yes but if you pay more i'll match it. so is it actually the case you pay 15\% (be it through this indirect avenue of pretend-purchase) ? | [08:10] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [08:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | alright then, so they get 15\% of bv and that's that. | [08:10] |
| shinohai: | Anyone have any work for me before I go off exploring today? | [08:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai no, but i been making cft overnight and you can buy 5k if you want. | [08:18] |
| shinohai: | price? | [08:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 5000 * 180 * 1.7 * 1.6 | [08:19] |
| diana_coman: | re the lumps of coal/noobs that aren't crafters: nobody's a crafter to start with, certainly; I was/am giving jobs mainly as a way for them to figure out what they can do in eulora, hence the options even if not fully sound as a model otherwise | [08:19] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 5000 * 180 * 1.7 * 1.6 = 2448000 | [08:19] |
| diana_coman: | ha, I'll take whatever shinohai leaves from that cft | [08:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman yeah, i see what you mean | [08:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman check it out, OPTIONS! he can liek... sell his cft quota to you lmao | [08:20] |
| diana_coman: | oh, was that his quota? lol | [08:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | well he helped by managing the noob that got the low q grass i was hung on, so... | [08:20] |
| diana_coman: | monthly ratios of cft? oh, my | [08:20] |
| shinohai: | I can buy like half of that. I need to get with jurov in a few days and buy moar coppers :/ | [08:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | i figure he gets a chunk | [08:20] |
| diana_coman: | sure, as I said: whatever he leaves on the table if anything | [08:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i will point out that cft bp stores are dwindling and before long we'll be out. | [08:21] |
| diana_coman: | myeah, the infuriating click on cons that gives slag and craft-table plans and 1 -ONE!- cft bp | [08:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahaha | [08:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, i'd buy slag. | [08:22] |
| shinohai: | oh wait I don't even have enuf for half ... I have like 195k copper xD | [08:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [08:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | y so poor shinohai ! | [08:22] |
| diana_coman: | turns out even exploring requires a budget really | [08:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah but iirc he made millions with the tardstalk noob thing | [08:22] |
| diana_coman: | was kind of surprised to hear that crafting requires a budget as if that was an exception | [08:23] |
| shinohai: | I bought ho's and ho's cost monies | [08:23] |
| diana_coman: | but shinohai didn't you get that money back by selling the output? | [08:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | hos be expensive yos! | [08:23] |
| shinohai: | Though I was impressed with their longevity | [08:23] |
| diana_coman: | whatever stuff you got from them | [08:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | ugh. | [08:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | turns out i misquoted also. | [08:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | cft ain't fucking grass | [08:24] |
| shinohai: | I still have some undeveloped grass claims in storage, used my last hoe to dig them up after I ran out of cft | [08:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 5000 * 180 * 1.7 * 1.8 | [08:24] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 5000 * 180 * 1.7 * 1.8 = 2754000 | [08:24] |
| shinohai: | Oh and I just *had* to have a samovar too ... because I made impulse buy since I missed out on bandar toolkits last time | [08:25] |
| diana_coman: | well, grass in a different incarnation :D | [08:25] |
| diana_coman: | but I'll take it anyways | [08:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, he spent 1mn for samovar and stuff | [08:26] |
| diana_coman: | was that a designer samovar? :D | [08:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | it was like 120k d iirc | [08:26] |
| diana_coman: | !~calc 3000*677*1.73 | [08:27] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: 3000*677*1.73 = 3513630 | [08:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | did you spend 3.5mn for that click ? | [08:28] |
| diana_coman: | they aren't from a single click, so not exactly easy to follow | [08:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [08:28] |
| diana_coman: | I do have the list with all the clicks so far input and output | [08:29] |
| diana_coman: | but it ain't over yet anyway | [08:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, we need a fat lady. | [08:29] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [08:29] |
| diana_coman: | !~calc 2000*3780*1.86 | [08:29] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: 2000*3780*1.86 = 14061600 | [08:30] |
| diana_coman: | o.O | [08:30] |
| diana_coman: | those are coarse cordage bps | [08:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd buy | [08:31] |
| diana_coman: | ok, let me fish them out then, both cc and slag | [08:31] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, ready | [08:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | danke. | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | thanks! | [08:35] |
| diana_coman: | btw, any tinkerer sentiments > 250q? | [08:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | thinks that all of today he won't actually spend 100 bux in argentina shops, be it for food, taking girls out, coffee, drinks etc. | [08:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman sadly, no. | [08:36] |
| diana_coman: | oh well, will oc then some more of those slag+shiny shards+whatever I can, lol | [08:37] |
| diana_coman: | hey, eulora is no argentina! | [08:38] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [08:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [08:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | sadly after all that snail carnage the best bod i get is still 135 | [15:16] |
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