| diana_coman: | about 800k but yeah, still fine; (the rest to the mn "pop" is numina) | [04:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh. yeah, still good. | [08:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, anyone want multisamovars btw ? | [09:15] |
| shinohai: | multisamovars? | [09:19] |
| shinohai: | if selling a single samovar I might be interested .... price? | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure you can have one. | [09:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're just called multifunctional is all. | [09:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | can't see the exact quality atm because still craft ongoing, but they're reported as 0.1mn. i say 500\% for them, so whatever it comes to, i expect something under 600k each | [09:24] |
| shinohai: | Sweet. I need to make a deposit or sell some harvestables ... mining took a toll on mah copper supply. | [09:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you auction something i'll bid. | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, samovars decay about 2900 per click or so, so expect maybe 30-ish clicks out of one of these. | [09:31] |
| shinohai: | I think I have some sb and sr I was gonna auction | [09:32] |
| shinohai: | didn't find much grass this last round :/ | [09:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai they're 118.738 d so call it 600k each | [14:01] |
| shinohai: | oh hey .... lemme sign in and do inventory real quick | [14:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | well ima go dig up some snails. | [14:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | wow remark eps! | [14:15] |
| shinohai: | Informal Auction: 1k Shiny Rock q99 - 2k Solid Branch q121 - 500 Nondescript Tubers q121 - 500 Flotsam q81 - 500 Crumbly Rock q52 - 500 Clump of Dry Grass q121 (All bids considered) | [14:19] |
| diana_coman: | congrats on the remark eps mircea_popescu | [14:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | i didn't get it | [14:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i just saw a cube here in the field | [14:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai what's an informal auction | [14:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman how were we left re making mas ? | [14:55] |
| diana_coman: | mas? | [14:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | ampoule | [14:56] |
| shinohai: | Just like a regular auction except you don't have to change clothes after crafting! | [14:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 1.5*(1000 * 79 * .99 + 2000 * 58 * 1.21 + 500 * .87 * 1.21 + 500 * 88 *.81 + 500 * 73 * .52 + 500 * 60 * 1.21) | [14:57] |
| diana_coman: | sadly no high q bps so far; any high q shards? | [14:57] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: 1.5*(1000 * 79 * .99 + 2000 * 58 * 1.21 + 500 * .87 * 1.21 + 500 * 88 *.81 + 500 * 73 * .52 + 500 * 60 * 1.21) | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | ffs | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | 465k shinohai | [14:57] |
| diana_coman: | o.O too complicated for google nao? | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman well you're the only one who makes shards, how am i gonna get shards. | [14:57] |
| diana_coman: | hm; I guess I'll do some runs with oc to try and get more shards then - seems the only option really | [14:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you were out of md bps ? | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | not out, no | [14:59] |
| diana_coman: | just low q | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah i recall now. | [14:59] |
| shinohai: | ok lemme load up mah table .... and better calc is still in the works | [14:59] |
| diana_coman: | and you wanted high q ampoules, right? | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, the dispute was that if you're gonna spit out low q anyway you'll have to shoulder a large portion of the cost which was unappetizing and so i figured ima make my own. | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | which seeing how i did put together a major pile of pss i might even do and then maybe i'll have shards for sale even. | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile this bitching bitchfest is giving me 2 eps per cs small ;/ | [15:00] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, don't quite remember it that way, but sure, go ahead | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-11-03.log.html#t22:42:13 << fished it out | [15:02] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Thursday, 2016-11-03 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | we did that run where you supplied the stuff + paid for decay only and you got all the output | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | was that bad in the end? | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | anyways meanwhile I should even get the lappy output higher since I went through all those waters and stuff; when I finish this cons click I can do a quick lappy to see what q I get now | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | but that was on a something else ; which didn't suffer from the low q problem | [15:06] |
| diana_coman: | ?? | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | mk let's belabour the point. | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's three portions to any craft : the experience gained ; the product produced ; and the numina produced. their relative interplay varies a lot, for instance a high q crafter with high q bps will take low q bundle and spit out high q product with no numina ; whereas low q crafter with low q bp will take high q bundle and spit out low q product and low numina. | [15:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | any splitting of the craft activity will have to split the costs ; and the benefits. | [15:09] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [15:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | the larger the disparity between the (experience gained) side of the equation and the (product produced) side of the equation, the larger part of the burden will have to be borne by the hire as opposed to the hiree. | [15:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | so : high q crafter with high q bps can get more for his work than low q crafter wioth low q bps. this "more" can actually wrap into the negative, whereby if the crafter is low enough q, he may have to actually pay on a net basis for the priviledge. | [15:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | which is what i mean when i say that "i provide 250 points of bundle and obtain 100 points of product". there's a -150 q points resulting from crafting someone has to pay for. | [15:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | just like when one turns q 100 grass into q 250 threads there's a 150 points gain that he gets paid for. | [15:12] |
| diana_coman: | I don't think that point was ever in dispute really | [15:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [15:14] |
| diana_coman: | I am kind of curious what would my costs be for making ampoules at this moment with my own stuff + own bps | [15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok so then tell you what, next im in town ima look at what pss and coal stashes i have and we ca run this once more | [15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | or you could just sell ampoules. | [15:15] |
| diana_coman: | aha; as soon as this cons click finishes I will look at it and get back to you with some numbers | [15:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | worx | [15:16] |
| diana_coman: | tbh I think the "just sell ampoules" is the most straightforward thing really, so hopefully we can make that work and then it's less of a headache | [15:16] |
| diana_coman: | currently waiting for this 1171q bundle to pop :p | [15:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol popfactory | [15:17] |
| shinohai: | ping me when back in town mircea_popescu, I got items ready | [15:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai will be a few hours, i set up a snail racing thing here :D | [15:23] |
| shinohai: | xD | [15:23] |
| shinohai: | I'll hang in town with ladies then. | [15:24] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, on the good news front it turns out I am perfectly fine to sell ma at the 313\% your shop offers for it; currently available: 144ma at 157q | [16:12] |
| diana_coman: | in horrible news: that bundle 1171q for the tink cons (2mn and spare change) resulted in less than 1 mn output (461k in bps + maculature)) | [16:30] |
| shinohai: | is available for clicks if anyone needs them. | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | nice! | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | want to buy some pss ? | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai im headed to town once this stick is done so | [17:19] |
| shinohai: | 10-4 | [17:19] |
| shinohai: | Looks like a table airport in town today. | [17:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | ha | [17:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | trade shinohai ? | [17:25] |
| shinohai: | oh u need change? | [17:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeh | [17:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | 535 iirc | [17:27] |
| shinohai: | don't have it :( | [17:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | whatcha got ? 35k owe me half a mil ? | [17:27] |
| shinohai: | kk | [17:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | 35k not 350 | [17:28] |
| shinohai: | oh shit did it again | [17:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol at this rate you'll be poor in no time :D | [17:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [17:28] |
| shinohai: | I got 40 | [17:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | there we go | [17:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman 882 pss q 521 | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | and 44 poc q 77 | [17:31] |
| diana_coman: | I'll pass this time mircea_popescu but thanks; I'm making atm some 224q poc to mix with what q77 I still have and hopefully bump up a bit the resulting ma | [17:32] |
| shinohai: | ok mircea_popescu so I owe you half a mil and you said 600k on samovar? | [17:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeh | [17:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | you want one ? | [17:33] |
| shinohai: | sure | [17:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite so that's 1.1mn | [17:33] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, do you want those 144 ma at 157q? | [17:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | yep. | [17:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | are they ready ? | [17:34] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, let me fish them out | [17:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | works | [17:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | sweet ima do emoink overnight then | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty shinohai ! | [17:35] |
| diana_coman: | can you trade me mircea_popescu ? | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | yej | [17:35] |
| shinohai: | I picked up samovar beside me | [17:35] |
| shinohai: | ? | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai yeah | [17:36] |
| shinohai: | thanks! :D | [17:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | :) | [17:36] |
| shinohai: | Saves me from looking for bloody slithy toves | [17:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 144 * 1.57 * 3.13 * 13452 | [17:36] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 144 * 1.57 * 3.13 * 13452 = 9519044.1408 | [17:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai pretty rare | [17:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty diana_coman | [17:37] |
| diana_coman: | enjoy! | [17:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai what are ytou crafting anyway ? | [17:42] |
| shinohai: | Nothing yet .... still making plans | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe | [17:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | samovars make decent stores of values historically too | [17:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | plus, you got your own bum stove. | [17:43] |
| shinohai: | Well didn't want to miss opportunity like I did on bandar toolkit | [17:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | especially if bps run out, or whatever. hanbot got a pretty penny on her stored worn screens lol | [17:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman recall the olden days when i gave out the first wos, 500k for like 1mn or somesuch ? | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | back when jurov was playing like every day | [17:45] |
| diana_coman: | was there ever anything in eulora that did NOT increase in value over time? | [17:45] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [17:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | the only overpriced items I saw so far would be some of those bought at official auctions mainly because one has no idea what they are actually worth - even then it's rather difficult to say | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | (I'm thinking of the petrified bubble for instance) | [17:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, stuff like slithy tove lost somewhat once you found it i think | [17:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | though not huge, certainly not as much as stuff appreciated. i recall a year ago most bps would fetch maybe 125\% | [17:48] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, kind of depended on the bp (I think the toothpaste ones were fetching significantly more) but certainly not 1000\% | [17:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah some were rare | [17:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | of couse back then oc was a lot harder to come by | [17:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | and besides samovars were rare af | [17:50] |
| diana_coman: | I think it was before the bp q made much difference even, so possibly some higher price (esp for lower q bps) due to that as well | [17:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha true | [17:51] |
| shinohai: | So I went to that snail spot and tried to /explore, only got flotsam a sb | [17:51] |
| shinohai: | *and | [17:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai i usually go with cs | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | got 53 snails out of 24 sticks o.O | [17:52] |
| shinohai: | has maybe a dozen snails in storage | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | im planning a run of 200ish bod, needs like 7k | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | which you know, | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 7000 * 5 * 399 | [17:53] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 7000 * 5 * 399 = 13965000 | [17:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | 14mn snail bv o.O | [17:53] |
| diana_coman: | the golden snails!! | [17:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | the thing is though i much prefer to oc via snails and beans than through md. | [17:53] |
| diana_coman: | ma | [17:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | ma* | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | but the ma is 13k out of the 30k , quite a chunk | [17:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | tru | [17:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's all tradeoffs, if you delve too deply into this shit you eventually have to eat chtulhu | [17:55] |
| diana_coman: | quite, lol | [17:55] |
| shinohai: | Manifest destiny | [17:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | and i hear they're working on making it even more complex | [17:55] |
| diana_coman: | work - only trouble coming out of it, see? | [17:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | word. | [17:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 18 dismal scribblings of mcguyver, opening... 200k. ETA tomorrow 17:00 ART | [18:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahem. | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 18 dismal scribblings of mcguyver, opening... 2mn. ETA tomorrow 17:00 ART | [18:24] |
| hanbot: | 2mn here mircea_popescu | [18:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 18 dismal scribblings of mcguyver, 2mn heard hanbot . ETA tomorrow 17:00 ART | [18:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | has spent 700 mn today o.O | [18:55] |
| hanbot: | whoa | [19:17] |
| hanbot: | anyway, new error message i'm getting when trying to repair: "you can't repair a container full of stuff". container in question is altar, it's totally empty. tried putting it in storage and taking it out again, tried moving well away from heina/tableville, i dunno wth. paging diana_coman in desperation ;p | [19:18] |
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