#eulora Logs for 13 Apr 2016

April 13th, 2016 by Diana Coman
Birdman: so damn bored [01:48]
Birdman: bored bored bored bored [01:48]
Birdman: bored bored bored [01:48]
Birdman: should probably get some sleep [01:49]
mircea_popescu: sleep's good for ya. [01:53]
Birdman: yeah probably a good idea, considering that wasn't for this tab! [01:55]
Birdman: how embarrassing lol\ [01:55]
mircea_popescu: lol [01:55]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, 6.3 wine ; 153k si [05:13]
danielpbarron: alikim, or any other noobs, perhaps you want to buy my tiny ennumerations and then follow my bot around some time? I've been leaving the tiny exploration markers unbuilt and with their keys in them, so all you need is the ennumerations, and a starter pile of bits to prime the thing : 1) go to my claim ; 2) take out key ; 3) put in bit, and ennumeration in mind, and build it ; 4) let key decay into replacement bit [07:41]
danielpbarron: i haven't test it, but my claims and ennumerations are way higher quality than yours, so will probably yield more than just one item of whichever resource [07:42]
danielpbarron: modifying my client further; put in if statement to filter basis from non-basics when it comes to locking claims or not [07:56]
diana_coman: sounds good danielpbarron but why is it you don't want to build basics? or is it just tinies? [08:01]
danielpbarron: just basics tinies [08:03]
danielpbarron: i'd not that i don't want to build them, but that they quickly jam up my both [08:03]
danielpbarron: bot* [08:03]
danielpbarron: although it's getting to the point that my bits won't last very long if i keep building them anyway [08:03]
diana_coman: hm, are you covering a large area? [08:03]
danielpbarron: no matter where i go at it, it's a great deal of basics [08:03]
diana_coman: ah, that yes, you'll need loads of bits if you hit every time pretty much, true [08:03]
danielpbarron: this is barehanded [08:04]
diana_coman: yes, my obs is that a tool will give you way more smalls basically [08:04]
danielpbarron: must be nice to have those [08:04]
diana_coman: but indeed, I can confirm for anyone interested that I did cover lot of ground since the update and quite everywhere I go there are basics [08:04]
diana_coman: no bald spot anymore really [08:04]
diana_coman: oh, no tools at all? I think mp sold 100 adzes recently? [08:05]
danielpbarron: had to change the color of all basics to grey on my map [08:05]
diana_coman: ahahah, lol [08:05]
diana_coman: I keep my old map as it's very useful although in a different way [08:05]
danielpbarron: 100 tools doesn't last long enough to be worth it [08:05]
diana_coman: well, longer than no tools [08:05]
danielpbarron: it's still the same map, just changed the colors [08:05]
danielpbarron: no tools lasts forever [08:05]
diana_coman: hm, I keep the old and new maps separate [08:06]
danielpbarron: i already had my explore data in a bunch of separate files [08:06]
danielpbarron: every once in a while it gets too big and the client crashes [08:06]
diana_coman: anyway, wanted to say: if you tether the bot in a tight spot [08:06]
diana_coman: you can just keep the table on the ground [08:06]
diana_coman: and basically put in there so you don't get overweight [08:06]
diana_coman: hm, what version of the bot did you get/modify? [08:07]
danielpbarron: if i'm gonna do that i'd rather write it to do the table pick-up/drop walk thing [08:07]
danielpbarron: 1.2 [08:07]
diana_coman: anyway: I just cut all the log files into a single one for mapping purpose [08:07]
diana_coman: aha, 1.3 will not crash [08:07]
danielpbarron: when i generate the map i 'cat' all the separate files into one [08:08]
diana_coman: basically yes, table drop /pickup, just no need to do it each step as it will slow you down unnecessarily [08:08]
diana_coman: yes, meant cat, wrote cut, ugh [08:08]
diana_coman: tbh given that the current situation really quite makes it impossible to explore fully automated for any reasonable amount of time, I will have to make some changes to the bot for sure [08:11]
danielpbarron: pretty sure my changes will let it go for 24 hours which is usually enough time [08:12]
diana_coman: aha, not bad [08:13]
danielpbarron: wasting basic tinies sucks though, assuming bits become easier to get soon [08:13]
diana_coman: well that's the thing: I don't really want to waste all those tinies [08:15]
diana_coman: bits are easy enough to get as long as there are wos basically [08:15]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 44 AW q 230, heard 6.3mn danielpbarron ; 1000 SI q 179, heard 153k danielpbarron ; 1 TW, d 453.6k, opening 2mn. eta 16:00 ART. [10:28]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron possibly your plan won't work as key decays at same time marker disappears neh ? [10:28]
mircea_popescu: wow i finally filled up my numina storage. o noes. [10:33]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> 100 tools doesn't last long enough to be worth it <<< bout 1mn worth, how long does that keep you, a night sorta thing ? [10:37]
mircea_popescu: btw yorick you know about #trilema ? see http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=file+system for instance, perhaps very interesting to you ? [10:39]
lobbesbot: Title: tmsr (at btcbase.org) [10:39]
mircea_popescu: at any rate you'll have to explain this ΩF:â\u0088\u0085 thing to me. [10:40]
mircea_popescu: also friendly reminder - today being wed ; around 8pm gmt (ie in 5 hours and a little) we're going to do another server side update. no significant downtime expected. [10:44]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> danielpbarron possibly your plan won't work as key decays at same time marker disappears neh ? << so? [11:50]
mircea_popescu: so how does he get the bits ? [11:50]
danielpbarron: he already has the bits [11:51]
danielpbarron: they get replaced with the keys he finds [11:52]
mircea_popescu: i must've misread. [11:53]
diana_coman: I suppose the trouble with that approach is that the claims might still be guarded if danielpbarron uses a relatively short line [11:53]
diana_coman: if he covers wider ground it should be fine though [11:53]
danielpbarron: shouldn't be a problem [11:55]
hanbot: mircea_popescu 6.7m on the wine, 165k on the SI [12:03]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 44 AW q 230, heard 6.7mn hanbot ; 1000 SI q 179, heard 165k hanbot ; 1 TW, d 453.6k, opening 2mn. eta 16:00 ART. [12:04]
mircea_popescu: bout 3 hours to go. [12:04]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, 7.04 wine [12:09]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://trilema.com/2016/the-eulora-millenium-of-code-challenge/ rfc [12:26]
lobbesbot: Title: The Eulora Millenium of Code Challenge on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [12:26]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 44 AW q 230, heard 7.04mn danielpbarron ; 1000 SI q 179, heard 165k hanbot ; 1 TW, d 453.6k, opening 2mn. eta 16:00 ART. [12:27]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I suppose the tmsr description would keep all usa universities out for one thing [12:34]
mircea_popescu: you think ? [12:34]
mircea_popescu: afaik no university was ever any good if it weren't at least a little possibly terrorist. [12:35]
mircea_popescu: look into ivy league history, what. [12:35]
diana_coman: well, it might be I don't know enough about usa unis for sure [12:35]
mircea_popescu: heck, look into oxford fortification history lolz. [12:35]
diana_coman: yeah, *history* [12:36]
mircea_popescu: there is that. [12:37]
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe the present time is apart from history. i dunno. [12:37]
diana_coman: let me put it this way: they are dependent on money from a. enrolments b. research grants that are mainly given by the state [12:39]
diana_coman: not much room for "possibly terrorist" there as far as I can see [12:39]
mircea_popescu: hasn't been the case at any point to date - seems they are more than happy to cavort with whatever terrorist of the day, be it black panthers, gay rights, whatever. [12:39]
diana_coman: oh, but *approved by the state* terrorist [12:40]
diana_coman: that's the difference [12:40]
mircea_popescu: just as long as it's possibly maybe subversive. [12:40]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, on the cusp, sort-of. [12:40]
mircea_popescu: safe enough, exciting enough... academia is a girl! [12:40]
diana_coman: well, tmsr is not at all on the cusp [12:40]
mircea_popescu: practically or as far as appearances go ? [12:40]
diana_coman: that's exactly my point, not on the cusp, but clearly and proudly out there [12:40]
mircea_popescu: maybe. [12:40]
diana_coman: on the other hand it might be anyway a good selection criteria, who knows [12:41]
mircea_popescu: im curious if anyone even reads anything in that much detail. this is after all 2016 [12:42]
diana_coman: lol [12:42]
diana_coman: but hmmm, it made me think of some specific professors that I would indeed see interested in this AND not giving a damn about that statement (or even be the more interested for it) - so I guess yeah, good selection criteria [12:43]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman in practical terms, imagine what happens if 1k people tried to talk ehrwe at once [12:44]
mircea_popescu: and you realise, there's ~1bn studens in the world as we speak. [12:44]
diana_coman: there is that too [12:44]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, 174k on si [12:50]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : 44 AW q 230, heard 7.04mn danielpbarron ; 1000 SI q 179, heard 174k danielpbarron ; 1 TW, d 453.6k, opening 2mn. eta 16:00 ART. [12:51]
diana_coman: poor unwanted tw [12:51]
mircea_popescu: aha [12:53]
mircea_popescu: whatevs, i'll just use myself! [13:05]
lobbesbot: News from eulora: The Eulora Millenium of Code Challenge <http://trilema.com/2016/the-eulora-millenium-of-code-challenge/> [13:24]
Birdman: is the auction still going? [15:05]
Birdman: if so, 200k on the si [15:05]
jurov: is the server update done? [15:14]
diana_coman: jurov it's not yet 8pm gmt [15:24]
diana_coman: in half hour or so [15:24]
diana_coman: server is coming down in 10 minutes for planned maintenance [15:55]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, 210k on si [15:58]
Birdman: 250k si [16:01]
danielpbarron: 263k [16:03]
danielpbarron: wait what even is the cut off? [16:03]
Birdman: what do you mean cut off? [16:04]
Birdman: in time? [16:04]
Birdman: thought two hours ago [16:04]
danielpbarron: oh then good i won anyway [16:04]
Birdman: ;/ [16:04]
Birdman: well the eta was 2 hours ago anyways [16:05]
diana_coman: server is back up [16:09]
Birdman: seems my bundle q150 for cft makes q52 threads with q40 bps, in other words useless for me, so if anyone wants to buy the bps let me know [16:17]
Birdman: maybe some tinkerers could get some better value out of it than i can [16:17]
diana_coman: I suppose you get loot though? [16:22]
diana_coman: what do you want for those bps? [16:22]
Birdman: 150\% [16:23]
Birdman: who needs such low q loot though, you know? [16:23]
Birdman: the high skilled players are the ones profiting from low quality things, im a crap tinkerer so its useless for me [16:23]
diana_coman: hm, ever tried with low q grass/ [16:24]
diana_coman: ? [16:24]
diana_coman: 150\% of what exactly? [16:24]
Birdman: over base value, and no i havent [16:25]
diana_coman: q adjusted base value I assume [16:25]
Birdman: yes [16:25]
diana_coman: hm, any bps other than cft? [16:25]
Birdman: tons lol [16:25]
Birdman: i know, being specific wont kill me, but if you could give me a category to work with it'd suck alot less to list [16:26]
diana_coman: if my previous theory re use of bps and bundles is correct, those bps of yours could still be useful to you to "up" the value of low q grass by making it into slightly higher q cft [16:26]
diana_coman: well then: tools, io, ltf, shaped slag ps [16:27]
diana_coman: bps [16:27]
Birdman: right but to even get low q grass is a hassle and probably just as expensive right now [16:27]
diana_coman: oh, and any container bps [16:27]
diana_coman: except craft-tables I should say, lol [16:27]
Birdman: i've a bunch of ltf and io bps but im less willing to get rid of them so cheaply [16:28]
diana_coman: well, how many, what q, what do you want for them? [16:30]
Birdman: ~3.5k ltf bps probably mix to ~q40 and ~ 250 io ~q40 i'd let go for their q100 base value [16:33]
Birdman: i have about 150 of ltf and io bps high quality from consid loots for 250\% over bv too [16:33]
Birdman: high q being q138 [16:34]
diana_coman: hm, mainly interested in high q bps at this stage for these categories (I still have plenty of low q ones); I have to think over if 250\% for bps makes a lot of sense, but in any case the q is very small really [16:38]
diana_coman: the quantity I mean ; the q is all right, not really big but all right [16:39]
Birdman: yeah, im just going by what i have to pay for the considerations and their ingreds [16:39]
Birdman: and being able to get cheap high q resources myself, i may as well make the stuff myself if i cant sell for a good price [16:40]
diana_coman: you just said above that no, it doesn't make anything for you to do that [16:40]
Birdman: the high q ones i mean [16:41]
diana_coman: but really re cost of inputs: I'd have thought that it's mainly the supps and rarer bps on which you recover your money rather than ltf, io, cft bps [16:44]
Birdman: well apparently i should be the one paying (1 million i might add) for clicks of supps so says the top sacrificer ;p [16:46]
Birdman: and if i cant get my hands on those SI then im sorta screwed that way too [16:47]
diana_coman: what's the link with SI? [16:48]
Birdman: well alot of the value of those consids is the maculature, and considering people eat up bits like crazy these days and i have tons of screens [16:48]
Birdman: ... [16:48]
Birdman: could gouge [16:48]
diana_coman: uhm, dunno about that - it seems people might rather throw tinies away [16:49]
Birdman: let em, wasting their own value [16:49]
diana_coman: top sacrificer is not only sacrificer though [16:50]
Birdman: even so ive been going through tons of bits myself, so getting to shred cheap is a huge bonus considering i turn ever 33ecu bv bit into what 200+ ecu resource? [16:50]
Birdman: and yeah thats true but without that competition my price probably wont be so great [16:50]
Birdman: i started working on eulora's one and only rare remarkable btw, should be interesting what i get from it [16:51]
diana_coman: tlc? lol [16:51]
Birdman: yep [16:52]
diana_coman: and no, it's not one and only rare remark [16:52]
Birdman: awh, well first one anyways [16:52]
diana_coman: I already built ages ago 2 pss remarks iirc [16:52]
diana_coman: I still have the wm ones [16:52]
Birdman: huh, i thought only basic remarks were found at the time i found mine [16:53]
diana_coman: no, at least one of the wm is reaaaaly old [16:53]
diana_coman: (which means I should probably better build it soon, ugh) [16:54]
Birdman: yeah sort of why i wanted to build mine [16:54]
Birdman: its a liability [16:54]
danielpbarron: Birdman, i'll buy your cft blueprints, how much? [17:22]
Birdman: 150\% bv q adjusted [17:23]
danielpbarron: diana_coman> I already built ages ago 2 pss remarks iirc << pss isn't rare [17:24]
danielpbarron: oh [17:25]
danielpbarron: how bout 125\% [17:25]
diana_coman: danielpbarron, so you say [17:25]
Birdman: nah, whether or not they are low q, they still allow for cft to be made, which has value itself [17:25]
Birdman: and if/when the cft bps dry up it'll be in very short supply, if consid loot is the only way to get it [17:26]
diana_coman: unless you have a clear criteria for all that rare is not exactly non-basic thing, I'm not buying it [17:26]
danielpbarron: i'd call pss "uncommon" [17:26]
diana_coman: so there are basics and rares [17:26]
diana_coman: I know, but I don't see the point/sense unless you have some clear criteria [17:27]
diana_coman: to define what uncommon is, what rare is [17:27]
diana_coman: do you have one? [17:27]
danielpbarron: yes [17:27]
diana_coman: tell me [17:27]
danielpbarron: uncommons sacrifice into rares [17:27]
danielpbarron: tah dah! [17:27]
diana_coman: so plox list what sacrifices into what on wiki? [17:27]
danielpbarron: why should i do that [17:28]
diana_coman: otherwise it's still unusable as a denomination, hence I'm still not going to use it [17:28]
danielpbarron: the values alone should be enough criteria [17:28]
diana_coman: and btw with that definition do you have something sacrificing into st? [17:29]
diana_coman: uber-rares or what [17:29]
danielpbarron: pss is around 200 and rares are around 1k [17:29]
diana_coman: uhm, around meaning? [17:29]
danielpbarron: yes [17:29]
Birdman: ive noticed how that works too among categories [17:29]
diana_coman: and then super-uber-rares, lol [17:29]
diana_coman: well yes, basically each category has different levels as it were [17:30]
diana_coman: totally agree with that [17:30]
diana_coman: dm is 2k so dunno, is it uber rare then? [17:31]
diana_coman: or 2k is around 1k? [17:31]
danielpbarron: dm is rare [17:31]
diana_coman: why? [17:32]
danielpbarron: dm, st, tlc, grc, ssk, pn [17:32]
diana_coman: unless this thing is somehow clearly defined, I fail to see any real use for it [17:32]
Birdman: maybe thats what can be looted in sacrificing [17:32]
diana_coman: danielpbarron is now basically developing the gospel of euloran resources, lol [17:33]
diana_coman: this is because it is [17:34]
danielpbarron: nods [17:34]
diana_coman: cool stuff, but I'm not going to use it [17:34]
Birdman: danielpbarron i need another batch of tokens btw [17:36]
danielpbarron: price went up on that [17:36]
Birdman: oh yeah? [17:36]
Birdman: maybe its time for me to nit up myself on all this [17:36]
Birdman: lots of gouging going on [17:36]
diana_coman: ahaha, tokens are uber-rares! [17:41]
Birdman: the quality of the token is definitely inconsequential, so maybe hanbot would sell some cheaper? [18:53]
mircea_popescu: Birdman> is the auction still going? << nope, 16:00 had been 6 minutes prior. [20:33]
mircea_popescu: lowball strategy is risky. [20:33]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron plox to meet in town for your winnings ? [20:34]
Birdman: i just wake up at that time is all [20:38]
mircea_popescu: hm ? [20:43]
mircea_popescu: Birdman> i know, being specific wont kill me, but << prolly time to make a shop page. [21:02]
mircea_popescu: could even use userpage on eulorum wiki. [21:02]
hanbot: Birdman how many tokens are you after? [21:05]
Birdman: 5 or so [21:05]
hanbot: 20k ea [21:05]
Birdman: deal [21:05]
hanbot: did you loot any sups other'n snails btw? [21:06]
Birdman: yeah all the common ones iirc [21:07]
hanbot: sell me 5 of each? [21:09]
Birdman: 400\% over bv [21:09]
hanbot: and i'll be in town for a spell [21:09]
Birdman: im halfway into a remark, will probably take some hours [21:10]
hanbot: ah ok. 400 percent eh. remind me, where they high q? [21:10]
hanbot: *were [21:11]
Birdman: iirc ~q150 [21:11]
Birdman: its in the log somewhere [21:11]
hanbot: ah. well, if you'll do more like 2 - 300\% i'll buy some stocks, 4 seems a little jolly [21:15]
Birdman: it was pretty much off the top of my head, but im under the impression no one's looted these before so i gotta gauge their rarity [21:24]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman> I still have the wm ones << selling these btw ? [21:44]
alikim: ouch, this engine can't not read widgets inside widgets [22:20]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, ping for auction [22:21]
danielpbarron: oo, barehanded crumbly rock ord [22:22]
danielpbarron: i had to put some of the uncommon resources on my "do not lock" list [22:22]
danielpbarron: too many mosses and berries [22:22]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron in town yea [22:40]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i'd buy your berries. [22:40]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron about to turn in here, you picking up these things or what ? [23:51]

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