#eulora Logs for 31 Mar 2016



March 31st, 2016 by Diana Coman
DicePower: Learned that the minimum character limit for a First Name or Last Name is only checked on the client side, while the "no capital letter except for the first letter" rule appears to be checked a second time on the server. [00:00]
DicePower: I found that kinda interesting. [00:00]
DicePower: I had one character named M lol. [00:00]
DicePower: One of the "philosophical" questions I've been pondering is what to do with this program once I have a character. [00:01]
DicePower: It's dangerous [00:01]
mircea_popescu: nice. [00:02]
DicePower: The program, when started, will delete my character and create a new one over and over. [00:02]
mircea_popescu: so what's the danger ? [00:02]
DicePower: That means, if I EVER somehow ran the executable later by mistake, my character would be deleted :P [00:02]
DicePower: I thought of a couple things I could do, but I'm thinking the safest thing might be to just remove the program from existence entirely. [00:03]
DicePower: I have kept handwritten instructions on every piece I change, in case I wanted to create it again when multiple characters are implemented or something. [00:04]
mircea_popescu: heh. yeah, or add a check or something. [00:05]
DicePower: I think I would avoid using the autologin feature pre-implemented in the code though, for future characters. [00:05]
mircea_popescu: put the date in the code, so it doesn't run past march 31st for example. [00:05]
DicePower: Yeah, but like, if you have a bug in the code and part doesn't run somehow, even once, even in debug mode... [00:06]
DicePower: GONE [00:06]
DicePower: lol [00:06]
DicePower: I think this program is kinda dangerous. [00:06]
DicePower: Noticed a lot of other character attributes in the code, like religion, mother's/father's status, mother's/father's job, etc. [00:12]
DicePower: I wonder how many attributes there are for a character in the database :P [00:13]
DicePower: ...and if there's a way to have the client send those unimplemented database values for your character at character creation time. XD [00:15]
DicePower: ...and if there will be any synergy between any "hidden" character attribute and particular stat distributions? :O [00:16]
DicePower: ...and if I've reached insanity yet. [00:16]
alikim: hello? [00:40]
DicePower: Hello :) [00:46]
alikim: I can't register with assbot, it says not a valid fingerprint [00:48]
alikim: do I need to wait? [00:49]
DicePower: Does it say "No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu." [00:49]
alikim: no, it says what I typed before [00:50]
DicePower: Hmm, I didn't run into that error. [00:51]
DicePower: sorry [00:51]
alikim: can anyone help? [00:51]
alikim: whom do I ask for an account? [01:06]
DicePower: mircea_popescu [01:08]
alikim: is he here? [01:09]
alikim: or do I contact him by email? [01:09]
DicePower: He's in the chat quite often. [01:10]
alikim: ok, I'm asking for an account, not sure how this irc thing works [01:21]
hanbot: alikim this channel is logged, so he'll see your message next time he's around (which is often enough). [01:26]
hanbot: anyway if you'd just sent your key to a keyserver you may need to wait a little while, yeah [01:26]
alikim: I've registered with assbot here, not sure what else I need to do [01:28]
hanbot: ah then you just need an account, yeah. meantime there's eulorum.org, maybe peruse folks' blog posts listed there etc. [01:42]
alikim: when I start the game I get system error message OpenAL32.dll is missing but then the game log screen opens OK, can't tell if the game actually runs w/o an account [06:45]
diana_coman: alikim, the client should run w/o an account up to the log screen, yes [06:48]
diana_coman: you'll get an account as soon as mircea_popescu comes around basically, just hang around a bit more [06:49]
diana_coman: have a look at the wiki meanwhile? [06:49]
diana_coman: are you on windows alikim ? [06:50]
diana_coman: btw do a search and fix your openal32.dll missing thing as it seems to be a common/known issue [06:52]
alikim: yeah I read some wiki notes, Win 8 notebook [06:54]
diana_coman: from a quick look I got at it, the openal32.dll thing might be due to graphic drivers messed up or something similar; have a look around a bit [06:56]
diana_coman: how did you find your way here? [06:57]
alikim: googled real cache economy games [07:00]
diana_coman: heh, that it certainly is; have you found the reports of some of the auctions that have been going on in game? [07:04]
alikim: no, I actually want to play the game [07:06]
alikim: I tried to download a few openal32.dll files but the game crashes [07:20]
diana_coman: uhm, downloading dlls is not a very good idea in general, I meant more along the lines: check and/or update/reinstall the graphic drivers for instance [08:15]
diana_coman: but anyway, you said the log screen opens ok ? [08:15]
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. [08:43]
mircea_popescu: an hour after i go to bed, dc. [08:43]
mircea_popescu: ANOTHER night lost. [08:43]
mircea_popescu: at this rate... [08:43]
alikim: can I have an account? [08:46]
mircea_popescu: got a pgp key alikim ? [08:50]
alikim: yes I registered it here with assbot [08:50]
mircea_popescu: link me ? [08:50]
alikim: what's that? [08:51]
mircea_popescu: hm. [08:51]
mircea_popescu: i need your public key, put it in dpaste.com or something ? [08:52]
alikim: http://dpaste.com/3P9VQ4Q [08:55]
mircea_popescu: aite one second. [08:56]
mircea_popescu: alikim http://dpaste.com/3E6QE2X.txt [08:59]
alikim: what's this for? [09:00]
alikim: I know nothing about cryptography this is all weird [09:00]
diana_coman: decrypt that alikim as it is your username+pwd to get in game [09:00]
mircea_popescu: your login [09:00]
alikim: it doesn't work [09:07]
alikim: what's my login? alikim or email? [09:08]
diana_coman: surely *not* email [09:09]
diana_coman: so if you have alikim in the decrypted thing, then it must be alikim [09:09]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman is there reference to email made in the client or something ? too many ppls confused. [09:10]
diana_coman: yes, there is unfortunately [09:11]
diana_coman: the log in screen says email [09:11]
mircea_popescu: ah. will hafta change that. [09:11]
mircea_popescu: alikim : first item is your login, 2nd item is your password. [09:11]
alikim: ok I'm in thanks! [09:12]
mircea_popescu: hey well done. [09:12]
diana_coman: well done alikim [09:12]
diana_coman: and welcome! [09:12]
mircea_popescu: come find me up on the town hill, ima give you some starter stuff. [09:12]
alikim: can I move camera? [09:12]
mircea_popescu: press M or middle button [09:13]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman danielpbarron hey, do you use the mouse to direct movement ? [09:37]
diana_coman: ugh, no [09:37]
mircea_popescu: i thought it can be done but alikim apparently having trouble with it. [09:37]
diana_coman: I think it can be done, alikim have you checked out the controls in game? [09:38]
mircea_popescu: oh btw alikim if you set right click to something else of course you can't interact with things anymore [09:38]
mircea_popescu: right click was the default for that :D [09:38]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman apparently there IS a mousemove item, but setting it does nothing. [09:38]
diana_coman: at options (the cog in the bar at the top of the screen) you can see/set everything [09:38]
diana_coman: oohhhh, I remember that from the code of the client [09:39]
mircea_popescu: o ? [09:39]
diana_coman: and ah, sometimes I accidently set it I think and I barely can get out of it, lol [09:39]
diana_coman: hmmmm, was it both buttons pressed at same time? [09:39]
diana_coman: I think that's how I get out of it at least [09:40]
mircea_popescu: pretty sure there is some way except nobody seems to be using it o.O [09:40]
diana_coman: I hate it, lol [09:40]
mircea_popescu: guy's been doing pirouettes around me for the past half hour :D [09:40]
diana_coman: :))) [09:40]
diana_coman: that's good, the euloran ballet corps is hiring [09:41]
mircea_popescu: lol [09:41]
diana_coman: hey, gotta have right stats for ballet! [09:41]
diana_coman: 1k hits with the hoe and not even one single rf ord [09:53]
diana_coman: poor foxy will just go and hurl those hoes off the cliff [09:54]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> diana_coman danielpbarron hey, do you use the mouse to direct movement ? << sometimes rarely [10:14]
mircea_popescu: eeeeh, smalls not good enough for foxy anymoere eh! [10:14]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron how does it work ? [10:14]
danielpbarron: press tab [10:16]
danielpbarron: alikim, what's your character's first name? [10:17]
mircea_popescu: a bless you! [10:17]
mircea_popescu: he's ali [10:17]
mircea_popescu: hey danielpbarron what'd you pay me if i clicked your tinker toils with your bundles and gave you teh sentiments resulting ? [10:22]
danielpbarron: i think i'd rather have the lapidary exp [10:22]
mircea_popescu: ah k [10:22]
mircea_popescu: what'd you pay me to make the waters for you ? :D [10:23]
danielpbarron: i think i wanna make those too [10:24]
mircea_popescu: ah. [10:24]
mircea_popescu: jeez what's a poor top crafter to do! nobody wants his q!\ [10:24]
danielpbarron: i'm not really confident in what's what yet since the last update [10:28]
diana_coman: bwahaha "extraordinary disgusting goop" [10:31]
mircea_popescu: :)) [10:31]
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> jeez what's a poor top crafter to do! nobody wants his q!\ <- wipe his account! moar to do! [10:32]
mircea_popescu: lolz [10:33]
alikim: how do I use the stone axe? [10:36]
mircea_popescu: is it in your hand ? [10:39]
mircea_popescu: hey diana_coman : im perusing your shop, and so [10:43]
mircea_popescu: Coarse Frangible Thread (CFT) q<=150, 115\%. << how much you got ? what q ? [10:43]
diana_coman: I'm buying that, lol [10:43]
diana_coman: no? [10:43]
mircea_popescu: oooo heh. [10:43]
mircea_popescu: kk nm me. leseee. [10:43]
mircea_popescu: tuyrns out all i want is bb. you getting those this week ? [10:44]
diana_coman: hm, do you have any hoes or flat slag? [10:44]
diana_coman: (I think it's flat for them,right?) [10:44]
mircea_popescu: im making sharp. [10:44]
mircea_popescu: you want flat specifically ? [10:44]
diana_coman: yeah, I am running out of hoes [10:44]
mircea_popescu: mmm. [10:45]
mircea_popescu: aite ima make you some then, what can i say. [10:45]
diana_coman: lemme see what bbb I got so far [10:45]
diana_coman: 661 bb at 229q [10:46]
diana_coman: not much, lol [10:46]
mircea_popescu: i want like 3k, so you know... keep at it i guess. [10:48]
diana_coman: kk, I'm on it (at least as long as I have tools basically) [10:49]
diana_coman: I keep thinking I should make some imps, but the process is such a pain with all that bms [10:50]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [10:50]
mircea_popescu: i got a few bms, but saving them for clogs. [10:51]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so here's the scoop : fcs i make q 148. scs i make q 208. [10:51]
diana_coman: I suppose you have better scs bps [10:51]
mircea_popescu: this constitutes a significant coo [cost of opportunity] for me, obviously. [10:52]
diana_coman: hm, do you make/have high q ltf bps? [10:52]
mircea_popescu: are you positively sure the hoes are actually worth it ? [10:52]
diana_coman: nope, I'm not going to pay that much for them [10:52]
mircea_popescu: i don't make any bps, how would i ? you bought the tink cons iirc [10:52]
diana_coman: I can make my own, but it will just take longer, hence you will prolly wait for the bb longer I suppose [10:52]
diana_coman: I meant from before, lol [10:52]
mircea_popescu: oh. i got tons low q is the bitch of it. [10:53]
diana_coman: myeah, me too [10:53]
mircea_popescu: cuz we were smart :D [10:53]
mircea_popescu: s-m-r-t! [10:53]
diana_coman: I guess a few more days then to put together all the things to click some more cons [10:53]
diana_coman: hopefully some useful bps come out this time [10:53]
mircea_popescu: that's what im gonna doi with the bb too, make some emo ink [10:54]
diana_coman: I will wear down what hoes I still have on bb [10:54]
diana_coman: but they are really not that many, that's all [10:54]
mircea_popescu: anyway im switching back to adze [10:55]
alikim: I used up half the axe didn't find anything [10:55]
mircea_popescu: do we even know adze is worse than hoe for bb ? [10:56]
mircea_popescu: alikim sucks huh. [10:56]
mircea_popescu: gotta level your skills a little. [10:56]
alikim: how? [10:57]
danielpbarron: i guess the pickaxe is the best tool since it uses the most quality per use [10:57]
mircea_popescu: alikim ah, you gotta buy skill books. [10:57]
diana_coman: alikim the whole thing is a complexity-wolf hidden in a simplicity-lamb's skin kind of thing [10:57]
danielpbarron: aww noobs don't get free skill books now that nobody even wants them low skill anymore? harsh [10:57]
mircea_popescu: >D [10:57]
diana_coman: danielpbarron, I always got that thing really, I was basically using only pickaxes at some point [10:57]
danielpbarron: well i doubt it was actually the case until the lastest change [10:58]
mircea_popescu: i guess he can have a gathering book, what's it to me. [10:58]
mircea_popescu: hey alikim come back to where i am, ima gift you on. [10:58]
mircea_popescu: one* [10:58]
diana_coman: danielpbarron, dunno, I had that data from long time ago and over a long period of time [10:58]
diana_coman: alikim, I suppose you are probably better off by doing some jobs for people to get started maybe [10:59]
diana_coman: do you want to build a few small claims for me to see how it goes? [10:59]
danielpbarron: oh maybe better hit rates, but i mean the pickaxe should yield higher quality even [10:59]
diana_coman: ah, I meant hit rates indeed danielpbarron [11:00]
diana_coman: and that is an interesting theory, possible indeed [11:00]
mircea_popescu: should be checked [11:00]
alikim: I'm back [11:03]
alikim: how do I use that book? [11:06]
danielpbarron: /use [11:06]
mircea_popescu: just drag it to your statue in inv [11:06]
hanbot: so mircea_popescu & diana_coman : there's an empty page for the March 2016 update on the wiki i'm trying to fill, but details of what all changed are fairly sketchy. would you care to note what changes were made? especially re claims but any & all nonsecret notes are most welcome [11:21]
hanbot: googled real cache economy games << also this is pretty great [11:22]
mircea_popescu: didja dig up the exact date it was deployed ? [11:22]
hanbot: not only for the lol but if eulora's in results for it haha [11:22]
mircea_popescu: changes include : electron got 1k of each ord bundle, q 250 ; 50 of each remark q 200, and iirc 10 of each small q 150 ? [11:22]
mircea_popescu: something like that. [11:22]
hanbot: mircea_popescu i'm sure the date's in the logs, i'ma find it [11:22]
mircea_popescu: also, the process through which output quality of both mining and crafting was changed. all that's known currently is that both bundle and bp quality matter ; it was said ex cathedra the previous value (which was somehow skill related) also is considered. [11:23]
mircea_popescu: there were some minor changes like some base values [11:23]
mircea_popescu: new category of items introduced - numina I. lbn reclassified there, as well as the tokens, and a bunch of new items introduced. [11:24]
mircea_popescu: also, the blueprint creation process was changed. before, you looted bps as part of craft, of the type of your craft. now - not anymore, just loot the new items from above. [11:24]
mircea_popescu: a whole new lapidary line was introduced (toil of X) which changes numina from one level to another (10c and 1000c) [11:24]
mircea_popescu: and finally a whole new bouq line was introduced, takes "considerations", produces bps. [11:25]
hanbot: looks like electron bundle influx was feb 22nd (http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-22.log.html#t20:36:51) [11:25]
hanbot: the other changes were a separate update, no? [11:25]
mircea_popescu: well i guess in implementation it was dribbled out in installments [11:26]
mircea_popescu: but afaic, it's one thing. [11:26]
alikim: how do you make small rekeety bundle? [11:26]
mircea_popescu: alikim read the enumeration, it says [11:26]
mircea_popescu: right click on it [11:26]
hanbot: kk, muchas gracias [11:26]
alikim: i tried what it says it doesn't work [11:26]
alikim: I tried it in a crafting table and in the marker, it says wrong amount, tried from 1 to 7 [11:27]
mircea_popescu: alikim it wouldn't be on crafting table, you have to put it in the claim stick. [11:28]
alikim: i tried that it says wrong amount [11:28]
mircea_popescu: are you clicking the puzzle-like button ? [11:28]
alikim: yes [11:28]
mircea_popescu: is the enumeration on your mind ? [11:28]
alikim: i tried all amounts from 1 to 7 [11:30]
mircea_popescu: yes, but did you put enumeration in mind. [11:30]
alikim: I don't even unrstand what it means [11:32]
alikim: put enumeration in mind? [11:32]
mircea_popescu: you got a "small rickety reeds enumeration" scroll yes ? [11:33]
alikim: yes [11:35]
mircea_popescu: and there is a slot if you open your inventory, with a brain faintly drawn on it, your mind. [11:35]
alikim: ooook [11:36]
alikim: can I use this container again? [11:38]
mircea_popescu: nope. [11:38]
mircea_popescu: gotta make a new claim. [11:38]
mircea_popescu: what did you get ? [11:38]
alikim: do I lose my items if I die? [11:40]
alikim: I got rickety reeds [11:42]
mircea_popescu: you don't lose anything if you die as it is. [11:43]
mircea_popescu: how many, what quality ? [11:43]
alikim: 254 2 [11:44]
alikim: can I make a new axe owith them or sell? [11:44]
mircea_popescu: you need a blueprint and ingredients to make an axe. [11:45]
mircea_popescu: http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/Stone-Adze.html << recipe [11:45]
mircea_popescu: i'd be willing to pay you 500 coppers for the 242 rickety reeds q 2 [11:46]
alikim: ok [11:46]
alikim: you dont have any auction house only personal trade? [11:47]
alikim: and how do I turn in game coppers into btc? [11:49]
hanbot: http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora#I.27m_new.21_What_should_I_do.3F << alikim do read. [11:50]
mircea_popescu: alikim to turn coppers into btc you gotta talk to a merchant. like jurov [11:55]
alikim: can I repair the axe or just drop it? [11:55]
mircea_popescu: no auction house as of yet. [11:55]
mircea_popescu: you used to be able to sell worn axes for 2k, but not anymore it doens't seem [11:55]
alikim: ok thanks [11:55]
mircea_popescu: they can't be repaired so far. [11:55]
mircea_popescu: anyway, did you install the bot also ? [11:56]
alikim: no notyet [11:56]
mircea_popescu: if you type /pilot 1 1 1 what happens ? does it turn you around ? [11:56]
alikim: so what else can I do? can I buy an axe? [11:56]
mircea_popescu: well you could, but they've been selling for something like 20k iirc. [11:57]
alikim: so if there are no players online you can't buy anything [11:57]
mircea_popescu: yeah, there is electron [11:57]
mircea_popescu: has some stuff on sale, and will buy most anything [11:58]
mircea_popescu: but i don't recall a time when there were no players online. [11:58]
alikim: is that a player? [11:58]
mircea_popescu: nah, it's a npc [11:58]
alikim: so you can trade with npcs as well? [11:58]
mircea_popescu: yup. [11:59]
mircea_popescu: heina trains you, and electron buys/sells [11:59]
mircea_popescu: you generally get a better deal than what electron offers, from players. [11:59]
mircea_popescu: for instance the rr you sold me, are worth 340c to him [11:59]
alikim: so if I can't buy another tool or make one what can I do? [12:06]
danielpbarron: barehanded gathering [12:06]
mircea_popescu: alikim if you type /pilot 1 1 1 what happens ? does it turn you around ? [12:06]
alikim: yes [12:07]
mircea_popescu: a then you have the bot [12:08]
mircea_popescu: you can do something like /bot explore or somesuch, see its window or the wiki for details on how to use. [12:08]
alikim: where can I see my points i gathering? skill stats says 1 [12:15]
mircea_popescu: so you got 1. [12:16]
alikim: yeah but it says after each attempt that I've gained some points [12:16]
mircea_popescu: you gotta get heina to level you up. [12:17]
mircea_popescu: then you'll see the bar move. [12:17]
alikim: at which level you can find stuff with bare hands? [12:35]
mircea_popescu: very much depends, and on the stuff. [12:37]
mircea_popescu: but in general, look at the quality of your enumerations. once it's over 50 or so i'd guess [12:37]
alikim: I'm stuck at level 12, it syas I don't hve money to buy skill and it doesn't grow when I dig [12:39]
mircea_popescu: well cause you ran out of moneyz. [12:40]
alikim: no I still have 500 copper you gave me [12:44]
mircea_popescu: so then level up ? [12:44]
mircea_popescu: how did you get it to 12 ? [12:44]
alikim: you press buy button for 100\% skill and it works but doesn't take any money [12:46]
mircea_popescu: o.O [12:46]
mircea_popescu: no way ? [12:46]
alikim: but at level 12 it stops and I'm stuck [12:46]
mircea_popescu: oh, listen, maybe it didn't update your screen ? [12:46]
alikim: can't even buy 1\% [12:46]
mircea_popescu: you actually see 500 copper if you press I ? [12:47]
alikim: now I see 0 after I reopened everything [12:47]
mircea_popescu: aha. it didn't update. you spent teh money training to 12. [12:48]
alikim: so how do I get more money? [12:48]
mircea_popescu: well, a bitcent buys you 1mn ECu. [12:48]
mircea_popescu: or otherwise, find a player to work for ? [12:48]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron was lending at some point also, dunno if he still does that. [12:48]
alikim: ok thanks I guess that's it for me for today, maybe log in tomorrow [12:49]
mircea_popescu: cheerios. [12:49]
danielpbarron: yeah i'd lend again [13:45]
mircea_popescu: what were you charging in vig ? [14:43]
danielpbarron: i don't recall [15:08]
mod6: < mircea_popescu> mod6 you selling that st ? :D << i'll sell 10 today. im trying to sell them slowly until someone finds a spot to get these reliably. [20:09]
mod6: if yall get into a crisis without having any more samovars, then we'll be glad that I still have a few. [20:10]
Birdman: danielpbarron want that bouq numina? [20:10]
danielpbarron: sure [20:22]
Birdman: 125\% over bv? [20:46]
danielpbarron: k [20:46]
Birdman: gonna take it all out now [20:46]
Birdman: i have some high q left somehow, thought i sold it all but thats not up for grabs at 125\% [20:51]
danielpbarron: wait what quality are you taking out then [20:51]
Birdman: 52 [20:52]
danielpbarron: k [20:53]
danielpbarron: hurry up already [20:54]
Birdman: 19998 @ q53; 9999 @ q62; 129153 @q52 all dusts [20:54]
danielpbarron: so what's that 1 mn worth? [20:55]
Birdman: 839494.5+132468.75+77492.25 [20:56]
Birdman: 1.05mn [20:56]
Birdman: enjoy [20:58]
danielpbarron: ty [20:58]
mircea_popescu: mod6 that's a point [20:58]
Birdman: guess my shredding wasnt a huge boondoggle [20:59]
mod6: Mr. P.: Make a fair bid, and I'll meet you in game. [20:59]
mod6: (10 ST @ 85q) [21:00]
mircea_popescu: as per my shop, GRC, ST 15k each + 150\% base value. so (15k + 1.5 * 5093 * .85) * 10 = 215k [21:02]
mod6: brings down the gavel [21:03]
mod6: SOLD! To the man with in the suit with the naked women on his arms. [21:03]
mod6: just let me know when to trade you here -- you're probably in the middle of crafting some stuff. [21:07]
mircea_popescu: >D [21:14]
mircea_popescu: hit me, should be ok mod6 [21:14]
mod6: ok [21:16]
mircea_popescu: cheerios. [21:17]
mod6: o7 [21:17]

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