| Gaxaro: | Anyone awake lol | [01:42] |
| danielpbarron: | [02:00] | |
| diana_coman: | <mircea_popescu> diana_coman making ibs ? <- yes | [02:16] |
| diana_coman: | more precisely ibs and then ltf at least; | [02:55] |
| Gaxaro: | Birdman sure fucked me over :/ | [04:49] |
| diana_coman: | Gaxaro, well then, want to work for me? | [05:03] |
| diana_coman: | Gaxaro, just to make things clear: I will set you up and keep you busy and you'll make a profit too, but if you rush again into something else without as much as asking me about it, then you are on your own again and I won't have anything more to do with you | [05:16] |
| diana_coman: | let me know | [05:16] |
| Gaxaro: | Sorry. Been doing some irl stuff and i am alright with that of course. | [05:31] |
| Gaxaro: | If you need anything done i will do it. | [05:37] |
| Gaxaro: | Afk again | [05:39] |
| diana_coman: | good then Gaxaro I'll get some stuff ready for you, will be back in 2.5hrs, ping me then | [05:50] |
| diana_coman: | Gaxaro, are you around? | [07:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman gonna sell it to me so i make ltf ? or make it yourself ? :D | [08:01] |
| diana_coman: | I'll make the ltf myself, but I can sell that; anyways, if Gaxaro comes back and does what I say, there should be more flotsam coming soon, so I'll be fine to sell that at your markup | [08:02] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, what q do you mcguyver? | [08:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | should be 144 | [08:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | for tool purposes, maybe 144.3 or so. | [08:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | with the caveat that i haven't in a coupla days. | [08:03] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I seem to be 133 | [08:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [08:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's pretty good huh | [08:04] |
| diana_coman: | so now good question if it still makes sense for me to have you make my samovars or not | [08:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah srsly. | [08:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | for ~10 pts ? mebbe not. | [08:04] |
| diana_coman: | that's the thing | [08:04] |
| diana_coman: | foxy face tot, lol | [08:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool huh. | [08:04] |
| diana_coman: | not that bad really, I tinker at 127 now and if I do all that ltf and shaped slag it should bump higher | [08:05] |
| diana_coman: | waiting on a delivery of ords otherwise | [08:05] |
| diana_coman: | to bump the farming and mining too | [08:05] |
| diana_coman: | well, I'l prolly run out of bps I suppose | [08:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | eventually. | [08:08] |
| Gaxaro: | I'm back now. | [08:19] |
| Gaxaro: | Are you there Diana? | [08:20] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [08:20] |
| Gaxaro: | Okay im next to you in the village btw. | [08:20] |
| Gaxaro: | Sup | [12:28] |
| danielpbarron: | hello m0rter0_ | [12:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | nothing much, making thread. what about you Gaxaro | [12:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 100 SA, d 14379. 2.75mn heard Birdman . eta 17:00 ART | [12:41] |
| m0rter0_: | oh hai there danielpbarron | [12:47] |
| m0rter0_: | i was looking for another type of lora | [12:47] |
| danielpbarron: | what are the other loras? | [12:47] |
| m0rter0_: | transceivers feature the LoRaTM long range modem that provides ultra-long range spread spectrum communication and high interference immunity whilst minimising current consumption | [12:51] |
| m0rter0_: | that would be the other lora :P | [12:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [13:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | can you craft these ? | [13:11] |
| Birdman: | What did i do Gaxaro | [13:42] |
| Birdman: | Besides give you some great advice, free copper, and offer work, i mean. | [13:43] |
| danielpbarron: | you told him to delete his character for a thing and then never had him do the thing | [13:43] |
| Birdman: | so? | [13:43] |
| danielpbarron: | so that's what you did | [13:43] |
| Birdman: | his comprehension of the situation isnt my problem | [13:43] |
| danielpbarron: | shrugs | [13:43] |
| Birdman: | well i didnt screw him over | [13:44] |
| danielpbarron: | translation: the reality of the situation isn't your problem | [13:44] |
| Birdman: | No, him deleting his character gave him opportunity like crazy | [13:44] |
| Birdman: | he is an unbeatable noob as it were | [13:44] |
| danielpbarron: | the ideal situation would be a noob that gets and doesn't use his skill books | [13:45] |
| Birdman: | thats the reality of the situation whether or not he understands it this way | [13:45] |
| danielpbarron: | which is the advice i give them all, and nobody ever takes it | [13:45] |
| danielpbarron: | but i guess the next best thing is to use them and delete | [13:45] |
| danielpbarron: | for now | [13:45] |
| Birdman: | not to mention yesterday i told him, and i puposely got the ord, for him to build for some money | [13:45] |
| Birdman: | Gaxaro i renounce you as my noob | [13:46] |
| Birdman: | shoo | [13:46] |
| danielpbarron: | overcrafting things like shavingses is pretty sweet; a good portion of the loot is in shavings rather than numina | [13:46] |
| danielpbarron: | lol "my noob" | [13:46] |
| Birdman: | ;) | [13:46] |
| danielpbarron: | it's almost to the point that i'd say overcrafting is the best way to go about making shavings | [13:47] |
| danielpbarron: | since your shavings per hour is way higher | [13:47] |
| danielpbarron: | the next step, flasks, might be a better noob craft | [13:47] |
| danielpbarron: | doesn't seem to loot flasks so readily | [13:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | sooo i burned a whole stack of cft bps. this is getting scary. | [13:51] |
| danielpbarron: | been there done that | [13:52] |
| danielpbarron: | oh that's probably another thing that overcrafts into more threads | [13:52] |
| danielpbarron: | haven't tried it since the numina update | [13:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | you're thinking high q grass is good huh ? | [13:52] |
| danielpbarron: | well any q anything is good if the price is right | [13:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | mebbe having my remark noobmined was top euloran mistake to date! | [13:52] |
| danielpbarron: | but if that in particular is the case, i have a metric butt load of the stuff | [13:52] |
| danielpbarron: | i had a couple stacks of the 1000 q and mixed into it the result of my building 32 ordinaries | [13:53] |
| danielpbarron: | and i probably have enough high quality blueprints to thread most of it | [13:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | nb. | [13:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | still, the stuff goes fast. | [13:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 100 SA, d 14379. 2.75mn heard Birdman . eta 17:00 ART | [13:54] |
| danielpbarron: | that's not a bad price when compared to foxy's rate for hoes, but are they actually selling at that price? | [13:55] |
| Birdman: | seems that way | [13:55] |
| Birdman: | about an hour left | [13:55] |
| Birdman: | i wont be around to get them when it closes though | [13:55] |
| danielpbarron: | fghj how often do you buy tools? and shouldn't you bid on this auction here? You must have a few million saved up at this point | [13:56] |
| Birdman: | He had 500k afaik and forgot the pass to his blockchain | [13:56] |
| danielpbarron: | no not gax | [13:56] |
| Birdman: | oh duh | [13:57] |
| danielpbarron: | and that was stupid | [13:57] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't know why he even had it sent to an address | [13:57] |
| danielpbarron: | how hard is it for you to just hold it in game | [13:57] |
| Birdman: | it wasnt sure if it would be lost or not so i was holding onto it, when his account got temp locked i sent it to em | [13:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm guessing the guy didn't necessarily believe he's even getting anything. | [13:57] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah.. why | [13:57] |
| danielpbarron: | gax should probably bid on this auction too | [13:58] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd even loan him the money to do it | [13:58] |
| Birdman: | meh i'd win it anyways | [13:59] |
| danielpbarron: | that price just doesn't make sense for my output, and i have a lot of tools to go through already | [13:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, i put them up cuz noobs kept bitching about nothing to do. | [13:59] |
| Birdman: | im out of tools completely and they will probably be a good bargaining chip to get hoes from foxy | [14:00] |
| danielpbarron: | i tried that | [14:00] |
| danielpbarron: | don't forget to factor in the 2k per tool thing | [14:00] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [14:00] |
| danielpbarron: | you know algebra right? | [14:00] |
| Birdman: | i can do simple maths | [14:01] |
| danielpbarron: | speaking of which, mircea_popescu i have 450 quality 1 adzes if you want | [14:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure, im in town. | [14:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw Birdman you still have your spent sticks ? | [14:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron ^ | [14:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheerios. | [14:07] |
| danielpbarron: | ty | [14:07] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll have a bunch of those for you too, but i might as well finish what i got first | [14:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk | [14:08] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [14:08] |
| Birdman: | now? | [14:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [14:13] |
| diana_coman: | 2.95mn on the tools mircea_popescu | [14:36] |
| diana_coman: | to settle the matter, lol | [14:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 100 SA, d 14379. 2.95mn heard diana_coman . eta 17:00 ART << bout half hour to go | [14:36] |
| diana_coman: | I'm basically getting them for Gaxaro who so far has been making VERY good use of my hoes | [14:37] |
| diana_coman: | so he can make good use of those adzes too | [14:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool deal. | [14:37] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, are you still buying low q grass as per your shop or are you full of that? | [14:37] |
| diana_coman: | I have a few stacks | [14:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | i may buy some in a few days, but atm fully loaded. | [14:39] |
| diana_coman: | kk, do you want 1 stack of flotsam though? apparently even 1 noob set to work properly can easily get way too much basic resources for 1 crafter, lol | [14:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | alright. | [14:42] |
| diana_coman: | kk, give me 5 min to take it out | [14:42] |
| Birdman: | 3.2 mn | [14:44] |
| diana_coman: | 3.4mn | [14:45] |
| Birdman: | 4 mn | [14:45] |
| diana_coman: | heh, you can have them then | [14:45] |
| Birdman: | sweet | [14:45] |
| Birdman: | leaving my house in like 2 min :o | [14:45] |
| diana_coman: | it works out at higher markup than my hoes I think | [14:45] |
| Birdman: | maybe | [14:46] |
| Birdman: | i know they have much more uses | [14:46] |
| diana_coman: | well, it's factored in anyway, lol | [14:46] |
| Birdman: | mmmhm | [14:46] |
| Birdman: | and if they're the only tools being made i guess they could be worth 40k each | [14:46] |
| diana_coman: | they are NOT the only tools being made, who ever gave you this idea? | [14:47] |
| Birdman: | idk lack of bps and stuff | [14:50] |
| Birdman: | and lack of tools to be seen in general | [14:50] |
| diana_coman: | neah; there are the hoes there, they have been | [14:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : 100 SA, d 14379. 4mn heard Birdman . eta 17:00 ART << bout 10 mns | [14:51] |
| Birdman: | your hoes thoughs | [14:51] |
| Birdman: | not new ones being made? | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | oh, I make new ones too, just that I prefer to sell those first, lol | [14:51] |
| Birdman: | sweet | [14:52] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, trade? | [14:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | 88 * .8 * 10000 = 704000 | [14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | chgeerios | [14:53] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [14:54] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw I start thinking that mining remarkable with noobs is really not a good idea, esp on basic resources | [14:54] |
| diana_coman: | seeing how a noob gets a few stacks in a few hours anyway | [14:54] |
| Birdman: | right | [14:55] |
| diana_coman: | seems like a lot of waste to get him mine a remarkable | [14:55] |
| diana_coman: | xp waste I mean | [14:55] |
| Birdman: | but the idea is to get many stacks in a few hours | [14:55] |
| Birdman: | but if the output just isnt there | [14:55] |
| Birdman: | then its a bust and should be saved | [14:55] |
| diana_coman: | well, a remarkable took the noob what, 20 hours to build? | [14:55] |
| diana_coman: | by the looks of it he would have gotten in that time at least 20 stacks | [14:56] |
| diana_coman: | through smalls only | [14:56] |
| diana_coman: | so dunno | [14:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | plus i can dig it in 10 | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie 2x as fast. | [14:57] |
| diana_coman: | AND you get the xp too, which is useful to you really | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | it is, yes. | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, gotta try out things to know. | [14:57] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, it's all nice and fine to know all this now, AFTER having tried it | [14:57] |
| diana_coman: | tbh I had no idea just HOW MUCH resources a noob can truly get, until I got now Gaxaro to really do it | [14:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. pretty decent piles yeh | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron> the ideal situation would be a noob that gets and doesn't use his skill books <- hm, fwiw I made him a gathering book AND got him to train his gathering skill; granted, no other skills atm | [18:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | god damned it | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | what? | [18:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | here';s the scoop birdman : if i ever see you mining within 10 coords of where i'm crafting, i will permanently and absoluterly ban you from any trade. | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | bwahahahah | [18:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | derp gotta mine in thefucking town ffs. | [18:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | then i come back, my craft's hung. | [18:10] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, you mean after the deletion?? | [18:12] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [18:13] |
| danielpbarron: | throws up his hands | [18:13] |
| diana_coman: | I don't think it is a good idea to be purposefully and permanently stupid, really | [18:13] |
| diana_coman: | what exactly is your point in NOT ranking up ANY skill whatsoever in general and then gathering in particular? | [18:13] |
| danielpbarron: | what is your point in DOING it? | [18:14] |
| danielpbarron: | i can see how ~he~ might decide it's in his best interest, but it is most certainly not in ~our~ best interest | [18:15] |
| danielpbarron: | and when he makes that decision, maybe by then the easiest way to rank up is to buy 100 books | [18:15] |
| diana_coman: | oh, you see, that might be part of why we have different opinions: if I said I take him on, then I am looking after his best interest too | [18:15] |
| danielpbarron: | but if it's against your interests it's also against his | [18:16] |
| danielpbarron: | most obvious in building, but it applies to gathering too | [18:16] |
| danielpbarron: | he's no good when he no longer makes 100\% ords | [18:16] |
| diana_coman: | and there is also the fact that higher gathering rank does increase one's chances of finding claims and as far as I know it's still smalls and ordinaries up to about 200 level, so really I can't see the point in not doing it | [18:16] |
| danielpbarron: | he should aim to be as hirable as possible until he decides to make a run for going on his own | [18:17] |
| diana_coman: | by then he'll be good for something else for one thing and for the other: there's a BIG range between no skill and getting less than 100\% ordinaries, and in between it's actually better in my opinion anyway | [18:17] |
| diana_coman: | no, I do not consider it against my interest him getting gathering up | [18:18] |
| diana_coman: | not at all | [18:18] |
| diana_coman: | what, that he becomes more than a noob you mean? that's quite the point of learning anyway as a total thing; besides, I'm sure I'll have other things to do for him even if he really got there all of a sudden | [18:18] |
| danielpbarron: | it doesn't have to be a gradual thing | [18:18] |
| danielpbarron: | in the future there will be ways to store your ranks in an item and sell it | [18:19] |
| diana_coman: | learning is however gradual | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | no | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | it doesn't have to be | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | you can buy 100 books | [18:19] |
| diana_coman: | I meant his OWN learning, lol | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | he can do that without ranking up | [18:19] |
| diana_coman: | because that's the main reason why he is a noob, not because of lack of skills | [18:19] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm not using the term in that way | [18:19] |
| diana_coman: | his own personal learning of the game, not his character's | [18:19] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I noticed; I meant that even though he could buy tomorrow 200 books and get there, it's better for him to do it gradually as he learns along the way what he needs too | [18:20] |
| danielpbarron: | it is not better | [18:20] |
| diana_coman: | why? | [18:20] |
| danielpbarron: | you say why | [18:20] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | you say it's better.. | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | why? | [18:21] |
| diana_coman: | I already gave the reasons above, lol | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | it's not unlike how low quality items are better than mid quality items | [18:21] |
| danielpbarron: | why should he linger in the middle? | [18:21] |
| diana_coman: | for one thing no, he doesn't need to be "hirable" as he is in an apprenticeship, therefore he has plenty of work | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, gathering does not increase quality of items, lol | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | what are you talking about there? | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | it decreases chances of ords | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | not really if we are talking of the range we are talking about really, o | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | no | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | anything else? | [18:22] |
| danielpbarron: | that range isn't set in stone | [18:23] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe it's different for him, or different now that it is also him in the running | [18:23] |
| diana_coman: | sure, most likely it will go up than down, plus as I said: if he gets there (less than 100\% ordinaries) I STILL have loads of other things for him to do | [18:23] |
| danielpbarron: | and because it is true for all other skills so why not also gathering? | [18:23] |
| diana_coman: | he would have completed his gathering apprenticeship at that point, fine, what's the trouble | [18:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | this convo has been pretty interesting so far :D | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | isn't it? | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | I quite wanted to have it given the very strong words poor noobs get thrown at from all sides | [18:24] |
| danielpbarron: | oh congrats on your new position in S.MG diana_coman | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | thank you danielpbarron | [18:24] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe now you know something i don't know | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, this position is based entirely on what foxy knows and nothing more | [18:25] |
| diana_coman: | and on my own approach otherwise I suppose | [18:25] |
| danielpbarron: | one last thing, he should keep building at 0 until there is another guy with building 0, can we at least agree there? | [18:25] |
| diana_coman: | well, he IS building with no skill, yes | [18:25] |
| diana_coman: | and I don't see any case for getting him building skill for now, no | [18:26] |
| danielpbarron: | ok :) | [18:26] |
| diana_coman: | ftr, he builds q1 | [18:26] |
| diana_coman: | with no skill | [18:26] |
| danielpbarron: | tinkering i can't say the same just because i already have more than enough low q numina with no way to use it all | [18:26] |
| danielpbarron: | lol 1 !? | [18:26] |
| diana_coman: | yeah | [18:26] |
| danielpbarron: | so he gets 6 times more stuff than fghj | [18:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's prretty good huh | [18:26] |
| danielpbarron: | wait it's not 1 | [18:27] |
| diana_coman: | it is really, that's what I was saying earlier | [18:27] |
| danielpbarron: | that's the loot | [18:27] |
| danielpbarron: | i bet it's quality 2 in the claim | [18:27] |
| danielpbarron: | in which case, he gets only 3 times as much | [18:27] |
| diana_coman: | could be, I didn't get him to check, but it's anyway mostly loot | [18:27] |
| diana_coman: | I'll get him to write down the numbers exactly though | [18:27] |
| danielpbarron: | the loot degrades the not-loot but i think the not-loot determines the multiplier, for lack of a better word | [18:27] |
| diana_coman: | the loot certainly seems to always be 1q point less, hence "degrades", yes | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | I don't really know about the rest | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | you mean that if your output in claim is higher, then you get higher loot too? | [18:28] |
| danielpbarron: | and the calculation of {bundle value} / {item value * quality} uses the not-loot quality | [18:28] |
| diana_coman: | well, that's the definition of the output, no? | [18:29] |
| danielpbarron: | so then fghj's output is determined by quality 6 (not 5 even though that's what he ends up selling) and Gax's output is determined by quality 2 (not 1 even though 1 is what he sells) | [18:29] |
| danielpbarron: | and that means Gax gets 3 times more, not 5 | [18:30] |
| diana_coman: | output yes, loot don't know really; my point was that he gets (as far as I expect at least) mostly loot | [18:30] |
| danielpbarron: | doesn't matter | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | prolly should have the two at a build-off | [18:30] |
| diana_coman: | hence why I am not sure about the difference between them, but I'll get some numbers, should be interesting | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | see how much they get from ords | [18:30] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, why ords mircea_popescu ? | [18:31] |
| danielpbarron: | my hypothesis is that all things equal, Gax will get three times more than fghj | [18:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems more standardizable. | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | hm, maybe only if there are ords got by the same noob basically | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | mine are certainly variable like crazy | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | could be | [18:31] |
| diana_coman: | I meant: danielpbarron, could be, sounds reasonable to me | [18:32] |
| danielpbarron: | the alternative hypothesis would be that he gets 5 times more | [18:32] |
| diana_coman: | heh, two-tailed test would mean etiher more than 3-times more, or less | [18:32] |
| diana_coman: | who knows | [18:32] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, do you assume there that the final total output (loot + claim) is basically dependent mainly on what they get in the claim rather than the loot? | [18:34] |
| diana_coman: | or you mean they get same value | [18:34] |
| diana_coman: | but different numbers due to q | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : one stack CFT, q 157, min bid 4mn . eta 17:00 ART | [18:37] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, yes final total | [18:39] |
| danielpbarron: | oh, er, yes based on "in the claim" | [18:39] |
| danielpbarron: | "in the claim" => 3x ; "the loot" => 5x | [18:40] |
| danielpbarron: | of course there's the complication of each player having different stats which might also effect the output | [18:40] |
| danielpbarron: | and the complication of time of day, and of other players ranking up effecting those who don't | [18:40] |
| danielpbarron: | controlling these variables is next to impossible | [18:41] |
| danielpbarron: | treating quality 157 like it's 222 ?? re: latest auction | [18:42] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I wasn't as much about all those other variables than about the fact that if loot is 80\% of total output, than that would make it closer to 5x overall | [18:42] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, I offer 135\% in my shop for any cft above 150, but that'd be 3.8mn | [18:43] |
| diana_coman: | so I won't bid on that | [18:44] |
| diana_coman: | curious if it sells though; I suppose I should add cft to the shop for sale rather, hmm | [18:44] |
| diana_coman: | gotta do a run to see the diff in output for Gaxaro on a few q points diff in cft; omg, SO many things to do with a noob | [18:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | kik | [19:56] |
| Birdman: | hey sorry mircea_popescu wont happen again | [21:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | good. picking up these adzes ? | [22:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman | [22:00] |
| Birdman: | yes, and have some cs for you | [22:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. im in town | [22:00] |
| Birdman: | trade now? | [22:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | yee | [22:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | 374 * 3 + 40 - 4000 = 2838 | [22:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheerios. | [22:04] |
| Birdman: | thanks | [22:04] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman if you wanna trade some adze for hoes let me know | [22:04] |
| Gaxaro: | Sup | [22:22] |
| danielpbarron: | hello | [22:23] |
| Gaxaro: | I assume Diana is asleep lol | [22:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | she doesn't sleep. she waits. | [22:35] |
| Gaxaro: | Lol | [22:37] |
| Gaxaro: | Gonna need more thread from her soon lol | [22:44] |
| Gaxaro: | I know she's 1 hour behind me in my timezone too | [22:44] |
| danielpbarron: | has threads | [22:44] |
| Gaxaro: | doesn't have enough copper and uses it for leveling up gathering only | [22:45] |
| Birdman: | yeah gathering is good to level up until ~ 200 | [22:45] |
| Birdman: | only benefits you | [22:45] |
| danielpbarron: | i can do loans | [22:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | AUCTION : one stack CFT, q 157, min bid 4mn . eta 17:00 ART | [22:45] |
| Birdman: | assuming gathering effects claim output | [22:45] |
| danielpbarron: | heh wanna borrow 4 mn Gaxaro ? | [22:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | loansharking ftw lol | [22:46] |
| Gaxaro: | Lol that's gonna take a quite awhile to pay back haha | [22:46] |
| danielpbarron: | how long you want? a month? | [22:46] |
| Birdman: | loansharking will be cool when you can shake people down | [22:47] |
| danielpbarron: | who says i can't? | [22:47] |
| Birdman: | well you cant pvp is what im gettin at | [22:47] |
| Gaxaro: | I rather not be in debt lol | [22:47] |
| Gaxaro: | full loot pvp, extrem drama, see what happens next! | [22:48] |
| danielpbarron: | i think you could pay it back in a week if not a day, but whatever i'm not gonna press the matter | [22:48] |
| Gaxaro: | Well im still in Dianas bet at the moment and i get 10\% of the grass i collect :P | [22:49] |
| Gaxaro: | level 18 gathering so far | [22:51] |
| Gaxaro: | Plus im recording in a list for her how much the payment is for leveling up each time in gathering | [22:51] |
| danielpbarron: | lol | [22:52] |
| danielpbarron: | i did that myself for a while, got too annoying | [22:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah kinda odd no suych thing was published yet | [22:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose diana is collecting rare infos | [22:52] |
| Gaxaro: | Yup she is | [22:53] |
| Gaxaro: | 27159 grass made and lets see... 10\% of that is 2715 and that earns me 81450 copper | [22:54] |
| Birdman: | nice, i pretty much am burning money to level up :D | [22:55] |
| danielpbarron: | how do you figure that? | [22:55] |
| Birdman: | 30 per grass right? 50\% bv | [22:55] |
| danielpbarron: | pretty sure it sells for more than that | [22:56] |
| Gaxaro: | she said 30 copper per grass | [22:56] |
| Gaxaro: | and 10\% amount of grass i get of what i collect | [22:56] |
| danielpbarron: | you should take payment in grass not copper if that's how it is | [22:56] |
| danielpbarron: | save up a stack (9999) and auction it | [22:56] |
| Gaxaro: | their ql 1 btw | [22:59] |
| danielpbarron: | so? | [23:00] |
| danielpbarron: | no matter the quality, we high rank tinkerers can craft it into high quality threads | [23:01] |
| Gaxaro: | oh cool | [23:01] |
| danielpbarron: | it being quality 1 just means we wouldn't get hardly any experience for doing it, but we hardly get any from quality 5 so the difference is negligeable | [23:01] |
| Birdman: | Gaxaro the reason behind people wanting you to mine things is the quantity of the output not the quality. If you take payment in the product you can later auction it | [23:11] |
| Gaxaro: | I see! | [23:12] |
| danielpbarron: | and 4 million worth of threads in your hands could possibly yield a whole coin for you | [23:14] |
| danielpbarron: | ((9999*1.57*180)/(88*0.02))*88*0.7 == 98900109 | [23:16] |
| danielpbarron: | assuming you hit flotsam, and it sold as if it were 70 quality | [23:17] |
| danielpbarron: | just an example | [23:17] |
| Gaxaro: | Oh. | [23:17] |
| danielpbarron: | that's not factoring in tools of course | [23:17] |
| danielpbarron: | (1428*173)/9352 ~= 27 hoes needed | [23:19] |
| danielpbarron: | that's 675k at current prices | [23:19] |
| danielpbarron: | so let's see, 98900109-4000000-675000-200000 == 94025109 | [23:20] |
| danielpbarron: | what are your hit rates on grass? | [23:23] |
| Gaxaro: | around 3400 grass per hit | [23:23] |
| danielpbarron: | that figure is probably off, but even if you needed 10 times as many tools that only knocks you down 6 million or so | [23:23] |
| danielpbarron: | i mean how often do you miss with the tool | [23:24] |
| Gaxaro: | Sometimes i just get it on my first try | [23:24] |
| Gaxaro: | and sometimes it take 5-6 tries i think | [23:25] |
| Gaxaro: | lol first try again | [23:26] |
| danielpbarron: | ok, so yeah, if you took a loan of 10 million or so, you could turn it into maybe 80 million overnight | [23:26] |
| Gaxaro: | Plus i am a no lifer with a lot of free time | [23:26] |
| Gaxaro: | for being 24 *cough* *cough* | [23:27] |
| danielpbarron: | so a typical american | [23:27] |
| Gaxaro: | Well i am swedish :P | [23:27] |
| Birdman: | we all live in america | [23:28] |
| danielpbarron: | Diana doesn't, Jurov doesn't | [23:28] |
| Birdman: | Figure of speech | [23:28] |
| Gaxaro: | 05:30 in the morning which means it is 04:30 for her atm i think | [23:30] |
| Gaxaro: | oh i had 1 thread left lol | [23:35] |
| Gaxaro: | Well now i need to wait on Diana to get back | [23:36] |
| Gaxaro: | Lets see how much grass i made in total | [23:38] |
| Gaxaro: | 57651 grass | [23:42] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll give you 715 threads for 5765 grass | [23:42] |
| Gaxaro: | 1729530 copper is that worth, cool. | [23:43] |
| danielpbarron: | technically it's worth 35k | [23:44] |
| danielpbarron: | would probably sell for 2.4 million | [23:44] |
| Gaxaro: | anyway need to see how much i get of 10\% of that | [23:44] |
| danielpbarron: | 715 is based on my threads going for 250 each, and your grass going for 31 each | [23:45] |
| Gaxaro: | ah okay | [23:45] |
| Birdman: | think he gets more grass from that than it cost him? | [23:46] |
| danielpbarron: | ? | [23:46] |
| Gaxaro: | Hmm, well i only have 1 tool left with ql 6360 | [23:46] |
| danielpbarron: | how many tools did it take you to make 57k grass? | [23:47] |
| Gaxaro: | 2 tools | [23:47] |
| Gaxaro: | or well 1 | [23:47] |
| Birdman: | answers my question | [23:47] |
| Gaxaro: | 1 and that other tool down from 9k to 6k ql | [23:47] |
| Birdman: | thats pretty crazy | [23:47] |
| Gaxaro: | I'll think Diana is fine with it but i think i need to check with her first. | [23:49] |
| danielpbarron: | so how about 1 tool + 635 threads for 5.7k grass | [23:49] |
| Gaxaro: | Well she said 10\% of what i gathred | [23:50] |
| Gaxaro: | Alright. | [23:50] |
| Gaxaro: | just need to get the work bench of mine back | [23:52] |
| Gaxaro: | then store everything | [23:52] |
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