| DicePower: | Heya :) Is it still possible to get MSVS 2010 Express Edition? I couldn't find it on the Microsoft site, and it looks like MSVS Express Edition has been replaced by MSVS Community http://stackoverflow.com/a/3061839 | [00:05] |
| DicePower: | Anyone have a link to a safe download of the one needed for the manual Eulora install? | [00:05] |
| danielpbarron: | by my calculations, there was approximately 30mn to 42mn worth of trade today not including private deals | [00:08] |
| Birdman: | not bad! | [00:16] |
| Birdman: | what's the record right now? | [00:17] |
| danielpbarron: | that's a good point, i should find this out | [00:50] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm tryin' to see if this is a qntra | [00:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov lmao check out that nonsense. did you save a copy anywhere ? | [07:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron this might help : http://trilema.com/2015/and-there-was-another-auction-and-there-was-another-record-and-so-on/#selection-1697.0-1697.341 | [07:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | record prolly in the 100mn range. | [07:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | DicePower i suppose you've stumbled on the real reason nobody uses windows for any serious purpose. | [07:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron of course, how do you value barter ? for instance, http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-17.log.html#t22:15:58 certainly meets the definition of economic activity, how do you cash-value it ? | [07:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose one way to go about it is to say it's lowerbound at 12.5mn | [07:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | not that saying such solves much. | [07:48] |
| jurov: | orly. looking | [07:59] |
| jurov: | looks like it fell victim to bad hdd or cleanup | [08:20] |
| jurov: | you'll have to use that iso | [08:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov if you ever recompile on the new environment w/e it is, try and save the snapshots. these idiots... | [08:21] |
| jurov: | i see | [09:05] |
| danielpbarron: | i valued that one at 1.5mn to 12mn | [10:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron it wouldn't be logical for you to trade rare item you paid 12mn for in exchange fore something worth less neh ? | [10:55] |
| danielpbarron: | so 12.5 because i'd only trade it for something worth a little more? | [10:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe 150mn ? | [11:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | who the fuck can evaluate the actual value of those bps in future. | [11:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | hanbot 102 * 70 = 7.14mn - 1345 * 1.25*262 = 6.7mn net | [11:54] |
| hanbot: | thx | [11:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman your cs is ready | [12:32] |
| Birdman: | cool how much for em | [12:33] |
| Birdman: | also, eta on sortage book? | [12:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | 23 * 29183 - 102000 = 569209 * 1.25 = 711511c | [12:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know how to use these ? | [12:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | eta > 1 week atm. | [12:34] |
| Birdman: | ill put em to good use | [12:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean : they're over min q. once you use one, put it back in thestack, it will lower the q | [12:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | but make sure you don't lower it under 202k | [12:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | 20.2k | [12:35] |
| danielpbarron: | wouldn't do it that way | [12:35] |
| danielpbarron: | i'd mix them before even going out to use them | [12:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | or that if you have burned ones. | [12:36] |
| danielpbarron: | carefully as to not lose points to rounding | [12:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | the idea being that there's about 34 cs hits in this batch of 23 cs. | [12:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | enjoy your toolz. | [12:36] |
| Birdman: | thank you | [12:37] |
| Birdman: | ya ya i know, ive a few sticks with quite the quality left too | [12:37] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron resend that list of ords you want | [12:39] |
| Birdman: | Funny how the best gatherer hires noob gathering huh | [12:46] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron have you noticed hit rates change after getting the various building skills? i.e. you'd hit more often on mining if you have the skill | [13:21] |
| danielpbarron: | shrugs | [13:22] |
| Birdman: | so mircea_popescu it seems i have about 225k library dusts and 550 mites. Im in the dark of their use and value so im in no rush to sell, not for 6ecu each. If you want to make an offer i cant refuse so to speak, all considered. | [14:09] |
| Birdman: | also wanted to ask, why no degradation on craft tables? | [14:25] |
| Birdman: | i get that to make them you need one, but coulda started the game with the island craft table unseemly high q to kick the game off | [14:25] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, I have the stuff to make the tools (100 adzes+250 pickaxes), let me know when you around to get them | [14:26] |
| danielpbarron: | Birdman, you think craft tables will eventually start to wear out? | [14:26] |
| Birdman: | maybe in the future, or ill start burning the bps for heat | [14:26] |
| diana_coman: | I think that was the plan as stated somewhere in the very beginning | [14:26] |
| diana_coman: | so most probably they will, yes | [14:27] |
| Birdman: | or toilet paper :D | [14:27] |
| danielpbarron: | i must have the most-used craft table | [14:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman now works. | [14:46] |
| diana_coman: | kk, getting them out, 3 min | [14:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | no fcs right ? | [14:46] |
| diana_coman: | fcs? | [14:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | flat | [14:46] |
| diana_coman: | no flat, no | [14:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool bring it. | [14:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | doing a further 65 fcs now after which i'll put them in | [14:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | should be ready by tomorrow | [14:47] |
| diana_coman: | yay, perfect | [14:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | 350 * 470 * 1.18 + 350 * 58 * 1.78 + 350 * 1.22* 8824 + | [14:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q are the bps ? | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | arghh, will have to check, should be some 78 the pickaxes ones at least | [14:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | k il luse 80 | [14:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | 350 * 470 * 1.18 + 350 * 58 * 1.78 + 350 * 1.22* 8824 + 350 * .8 * 900 = 4250092 | [14:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | plus 100k from b4. | [14:52] |
| diana_coman: | aha, kk | [14:52] |
| diana_coman: | stone adze plans were 79q and the pickaxe ones are actually 72 | [14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | they were 100 * 738 + 259 * 673 - 350 * .8 * 900 = -3893 | [14:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | check out that wonder. | [14:54] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [14:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | my estimation of bps was within a few k's of actual value. | [14:55] |
| diana_coman: | actually, mhm, isn't it this? 100*935*0.79+250*0.72*935- 250*0.8*900 | [14:56] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [14:56] |
| diana_coman: | because the bv of the bps is 935 really and you forgot 0.79 in there at the last calc | [14:57] |
| diana_coman: | maf, 350 there | [14:57] |
| diana_coman: | so ~10k error | [14:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | what 0.79 ?! | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | 100*935*0.79+250*0.72*935- 350*0.8*900 | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | the quality of the bps ? | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | or what are we talking about? | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | is confused | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman i can see myself paying 1.8mn on your 225k library dusts and 550 mites at ~q52. that's about it. | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | took the bp value as calculated by storage | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | substracted bp value as estyimated by me | [14:59] |
| diana_coman: | oh, that's why you had 738 in there and 673 | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya | [15:00] |
| diana_coman: | hm, that must be rounding I suppose | [15:00] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, 935*0.79 is 738.65 | [15:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i rounded one thing one way the other the other, came close to truth! | [15:01] |
| diana_coman: | that would be the expectation, no? lol | [15:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | :) | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, although all this crafting of shaped slag did block me for 2 days basically | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | it also increased my tink level by more than 20 ranks by now | [15:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i wish to bring before the eulora senate the following list of grievances and problems : | [15:03] |
| diana_coman: | not exactly a bad deal overall | [15:03] |
| diana_coman: | is listening | [15:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1. no canines ; 2. no slithy tove ; 3. insufficient WPL and WWB ; 4. insufficient WM and B ; 5. deeply insufficient IBS and LTF ; 6. very insufficient low q F and SR. | [15:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | what have you done today to help your country ? | [15:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | EULORA NEEDS YOU! | [15:04] |
| diana_coman: | bwahahaha | [15:04] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, NOT ENOUGH TOOLS! | [15:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | that problem is not on the list. | [15:04] |
| diana_coman: | that list is your personal one and nothing more , lol | [15:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | teh proletariat does not make lists. | [15:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | my sister just told me she's pregnant, therefore i am now uncle mp | [15:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | UNCLE MP WANTS YOUR ITEMS | [15:05] |
| diana_coman: | bwahahaha congrats | [15:05] |
| danielpbarron: | congrats! | [15:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | :) | [15:05] |
| diana_coman: | as to the list-making: but we have feelingses! lots of them (esp low q ones)! | [15:06] |
| diana_coman: | tens of thousands of those, will soon have no more space in storage for them | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe this is the time when i drop the hint : what the sunday auction items do is that they process feelings. | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | and there's a surprise or two in there. | [15:07] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose surprises are usually what one gets when one processes feelings, so quite fitting | [15:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | :) | [15:08] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, jurov jurov ^^^ item hint!! | [15:08] |
| danielpbarron: | hahaha | [15:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [15:09] |
| jurov: | dear mircea_popescu in re: F and SR: you explicitly told me to get lost since you need zillions not thousands | [15:09] |
| jurov: | so go fuck yourself | [15:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [15:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | plox to link ? | [15:10] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman about noob claim value theory, shouldnt some of us noobs have hit at ~least~ one remarkable by now? if our ords are worth so much less then you'd think we'd have gotten a shitty remark or somethin using all these cs | [15:12] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, that doesn't make any sense | [15:12] |
| diana_coman: | quite on the contrary | [15:13] |
| diana_coman: | it is precisely fitting with my theory that you did NOT get a remarkable | [15:13] |
| jurov: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-17.log.html#t21:46:27 << mircea_popescu | [15:13] |
| Birdman: | so the high hit rate for the over craft using the cs is countered by the claims low output value? | [15:13] |
| Birdman: | i guess that makes total sense | [15:14] |
| Birdman: | just pondering | [15:14] |
| diana_coman: | you get guaranteed higher value (since they still are higher than my smalls) BUT less varied output, hence no remarkable chances really | [15:14] |
| diana_coman: | well, technically SOME yes, but much much lower than mine | [15:14] |
| Birdman: | and since you've ever used cs you've never had the 100\% ord ? | [15:15] |
| diana_coman: | nope, never | [15:15] |
| Birdman: | wonder when i get to that point | [15:15] |
| Birdman: | pushin 200 | [15:15] |
| diana_coman: | but then again, I think I always had quite high gathering rank by the time cs were even introduced | [15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov do you know what "knock yourself out" means in english ? | [15:15] |
| jurov: | which english | [15:16] |
| diana_coman: | by high I mean relative to the other players | [15:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | english! | [15:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=knock+yourself+out < there. | [15:16] |
| jurov: | sigh. and speaking of flotsam remarkable, since i don't see more bids, it's sold for 1.58m to danielpbarron | [15:17] |
| Birdman: | wow what a steal | [15:17] |
| jurov: | may he knock himself out with it | [15:18] |
| Birdman: | didnt even know that was going on | [15:18] |
| jurov: | when i complained, wwas told to read logs | [15:18] |
| Birdman: | jurov why not have a noob mine it? | [15:18] |
| danielpbarron: | it's unminable | [15:18] |
| danielpbarron: | just investing for later | [15:18] |
| jurov: | http://www.explo.yt/eulora/remarkableflotsam.png << fyi | [15:18] |
| Birdman: | ah well done then | [15:18] |
| diana_coman: | oh, should add that to the list I don't think I have one, do I | [15:19] |
| diana_coman: | goes to check | [15:19] |
| jurov: | danielpbarron: trade | [15:21] |
| danielpbarron: | thanks | [15:22] |
| jurov: | thanks, too. i know it has potentially big potential but holding such things grinds on my nerves | [15:23] |
| diana_coman: | and updated http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/MiningRecipes.txt ; thanks jurov | [15:28] |
| Birdman: | whats the bv on that enumeration anyhow | [15:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | looks like 1-2mn or so | [15:30] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu want any ltf/io bps? also have ppb bps | [15:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | be explicit! | [15:34] |
| Birdman: | got 1.1k ppb at ~q40 3k ltf at ~ q40 at about 300 io at ~q40 | [15:40] |
| Birdman: | i have lots of various MS bps too, if you have any you're interested in off the top of your head | [15:41] |
| Birdman: | didnt show much interest in them in the past though | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | million and a half for it. | [15:41] |
| Birdman: | but ill list if ya want | [15:41] |
| Birdman: | meh ill hold on to em | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk | [15:43] |
| Birdman: | future reference i probably wont be selling any bps under bv 130q | [15:48] |
| Birdman: | good deal | [15:48] |
| Birdman: | wish i'd known it was being auctioned | [15:48] |
| danielpbarron: | auctineers need to be more verbose, and auctionees need to read the log | [15:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron wow no wai, under 1mn ? | [16:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | wait a second. how do you know what double distillates even cost ? | [16:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh oh, the ~ENUM~. i c. so the bundle should really be like 1.8mn or so then | [16:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman 14.7k or thereabouts. | [18:10] |
| diana_coman: | not bad, I make them about 11.5k | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | be a little over 1.1 mn or so in the end. should be ready tomorrow morn. | [18:12] |
| diana_coman: | cool, thanks | [18:12] |
| jurov: | Will buy few MD at least q 50. Wore out one std and one imp hoe, mined only 2 :( | [19:54] |
| jurov: | Or is anyone selling cs? | [19:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i might be making some in two weeks. | [19:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | (tm!) | [19:55] |
| jurov: | :) | [19:59] |
| jurov: | about what level is needed to make usable cs? | [20:03] |
| danielpbarron: | over 400 | [20:14] |
| jurov: | tinkering? | [20:14] |
| danielpbarron: | ya | [20:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | need q 100 mcguyver basically. | [20:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | but it's a minor point - if you make q 75 you need to buy a q 150 stick for every 2 you make and it straightnes them out. | [20:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron can't be that high, my mcguyver is barely 410 | [20:53] |
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