| diana_coman: | hi wyrdmantis got that rf? | [05:45] |
| wyrdmantis: | yes | [05:45] |
| wyrdmantis: | are you free? | [05:45] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [05:45] |
| wyrdmantis: | ok i'm logging | [05:46] |
| diana_coman: | kk | [05:46] |
| wyrdmantis: | sorry, re-trade | [05:48] |
| diana_coman: | results on the rf run: Birdman - 10111 rf, danielpbarron 10725 rf, foxy 11848rf; all of it is q1, built by wyrdmantis, same q threads (155q iirc) | [06:02] |
| diana_coman: | I'm curious as to what you make of it | [06:03] |
| danielpbarron: | looks about the same | [07:03] |
| diana_coman: | to me they look different enough really | [07:10] |
| diana_coman: | I can't consider all small claims the same | [07:11] |
| diana_coman: | q7 was there, not q1, lol | [07:12] |
| diana_coman: | not that it makes a difference in this | [07:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | so same # of claims, same # of thereads, x, 1.06x, 1.17x | [08:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | skills do matter eh ? | [08:31] |
| diana_coman: | yep | [08:32] |
| diana_coman: | this is how I read it, but apparently danielpbarron doesn't see it the same | [08:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | he said it looks the same! | [08:32] |
| diana_coman: | as in no difference between the claims? | [08:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. anyway - he is right in that 17\% could well be within normal variance. | [08:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | prolly should re-do the experiment. | [08:33] |
| diana_coman: | well, *could* be | [08:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeh | [08:33] |
| diana_coman: | all I said was <diana_coman> I can't consider all small claims the same | [08:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | yea, i see the argument. | [08:33] |
| diana_coman: | that was for 30 claims each btw, so 337/claim, 357/claim, 394/claim vs. a value per claim otherwise considered as 349 = 7*1.55*180÷(80*0.07) | [08:38] |
| diana_coman: | the thing is that I don't expect *huge* variations really unless there is some pop basically or a one-off which I would expect as a relatively rare occurrence | [08:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | yup | [08:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | as they say, good datapoint, more research needed :) | [08:41] |
| diana_coman: | are you going to get some high q wm soon? | [08:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | got ~1 week's worth of work left to do first. | [08:44] |
| hanbot: | jurov i'd like a copper refill next you're around, please to ping me? | [13:26] |
| jurov: | no problem | [13:26] |
| danielpbarron: | eh me too i guess | [13:36] |
| jurov: | lol. mircea_popescu i have to refill | [13:38] |
| jurov: | and be it 10BTC this time | [13:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [13:38] |
| hanbot: | say mircea_popescu the trade window could stand to be wider for the sake of wholly displaying ecu amounts | [13:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1GG36DGeSYrZULtRTRoZwqMSupKtLeBjjF < plox. | [13:38] |
| danielpbarron: | wasn't the last rebuy for 5?? how is that already exhausted | [13:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | hanbot heh game wasn't ready for people this rich! | [13:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | so this is a cool bn added this month. thanks god i reported the 5 in january heh. | [13:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov and trade me in game at your leisure. | [13:40] |
| jurov: | 1fbab2dc26c565d9a414eb6fad3b2e7b192bbf0d2b2c894525c7c6ae840ca165 sent | [13:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | i see it. | [13:44] |
| jurov: | well.. grundin is now accepting orders. | [13:45] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll take some | [13:46] |
| jurov: | some = 0.0001? | [13:47] |
| danielpbarron: | see in game whisper | [13:47] |
| hanbot: | not some, sum! | [13:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | must say "Mircea gave Grundin 1000000000 Copper." has a pretty nice ring to it... | [13:49] |
| jurov: | guess imma add 1M and 1T (or 1G) support to client | [13:50] |
| jurov: | good it doesn't require carrying capacity | [13:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | now that's an idea... | [13:52] |
| danielpbarron: | ;;later tell fghj i got some numina work for you! when you have a chance | [13:53] |
| danielpbarron: | i was reluctant to have braided threads made since i didn't need the blueprints it would have given... but now.... | [13:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha! | [13:55] |
| jurov: | i overcrafted a bit out of curiosity, too | [14:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | anything good ? | [14:04] |
| jurov: | tinkerer's petrified feelings | [14:04] |
| jurov: | no idea about them | [14:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc that's the base tinkerer item | [14:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://dianacoman.com/Eulora/Bandar-Toolkit.html << gotta say i love the "bill of materials" part of that. | [14:09] |
| jurov: | these feelings will be bouquinized to bps? | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman http://dianacoman.com/Eulora/Bandar-Toolkit-recipes.html << missing chetty stick ? | [14:12] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Recipes for Bandar Toolkit (at dianacoman.com) | [14:12] |
| danielpbarron: | Bandar Toolkit >> Used in: taking up precious needed space in your storage | [14:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | tell me about it. | [14:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyone selling low q dg or srs incidentally ? | [14:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | going through the reports, it turns out 1bn copper sale is not unprecedented in one month. http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-october-2015-statement/ had one. | [14:19] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: MiniGame (S.MG), October 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) | [14:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's been total sales of 32.32662783 since june, of which players held 30.43619699 as of end of january. | [14:22] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman> results on the rf run: Birdman - 10111 rf, danielpbarron 10725 rf, foxy 11848rf << remember my claims were all gathered barehanded, so your having used actual tools got you 10\% ? and faster | [14:37] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, I don't know what is the factor for any difference there | [14:38] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose tools is a good candidate, sure | [14:38] |
| danielpbarron: | wasn't that your whole point? | [14:38] |
| danielpbarron: | that cs claims were better than imp claims were better than basic were better than barehanded | [14:39] |
| diana_coman: | <mircea_popescu> diana_coman http://dianacoman.com/Eulora/Bandar-Toolkit-recipes.html << missing chetty stick ? <- pfft, still need to update that with some bps | [14:39] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Recipes for Bandar Toolkit (at dianacoman.com) | [14:39] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, oh but there are the skills too coming into play | [14:39] |
| diana_coman: | my point is that small claims are not the same | [14:39] |
| diana_coman: | there are too many different factors to really say well, it's only tools | [14:39] |
| diana_coman: | but for a starting hypothesis it's fine, sure | [14:39] |
| danielpbarron: | and then the difference between you and birdman both using tools is not so much considering how wildly different your ranks are | [14:39] |
| diana_coman: | well "not so much" dunno exactly how you evaluated it basically | [14:40] |
| danielpbarron: | 17 | [14:41] |
| diana_coman: | ? | [14:41] |
| danielpbarron: | 17\% more frmo what? 300 ranks difference? | [14:41] |
| diana_coman: | I have no idea what the diff is; also, is 17\% the middle range of the diff, the top range, the bottom, consistent etc | [14:42] |
| diana_coman: | sure, you can decide that ranking up is not worth it - or that it is, that's entirely up to each player | [14:43] |
| danielpbarron: | interesting the order of the quantities though, certainly consistent with your theory | [14:43] |
| diana_coman: | <mircea_popescu> anyone selling low q dg or srs incidentally ? <- I can sell 145 srs q8 | [14:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | was looking for more like you know, stacks. | [15:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman wait weren't all 3 made with the same tools ? | [15:13] |
| diana_coman: | no, they weren't actually | [15:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | hahahaha then what is htis | [15:13] |
| diana_coman: | well, what can I do if danielpbarron had them with barehanded | [15:14] |
| diana_coman: | but his original point | [15:14] |
| diana_coman: | was that no, nothing matters | [15:14] |
| diana_coman: | a small is a small he said | [15:14] |
| diana_coman: | which I didn't agree with | [15:14] |
| diana_coman: | so that's why I went along for comparing smalls from different people | [15:14] |
| diana_coman: | and then he added to the mix the tools but from my point of view it didn't matter too much as my point was just that: smalls are not all the same just smalls | [15:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | still plenty of confounding factors in there. | [15:17] |
| diana_coman: | absolutely | [15:17] |
| diana_coman: | hence why I keep saying that no, I have no idea what causes any difference that one might see there | [15:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then a lot more research is needed to fix this thing into an actual data point, which will then support more research to figure things out. | [15:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | so all were mined by wyrdmantis. the danielpbarron set was done barehanded, what about the other two ? | [15:17] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, it's a tiny speck of info really | [15:17] |
| diana_coman: | is going through the logs again to double check | [15:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news, the richest 4 people in eulora control 90\% of its riches! | [15:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is actually a lot better than irl, because those 4 represent about 10\% of the playerbase count. | [15:22] |
| hanbot: | omg stop fomenting a eulorian 90\% rally | [15:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [15:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | "we are the 90\%!" | [15:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | "what happened to the 9\% ?" | [15:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | "we ate them" | [15:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | "we are the 90\%! we had an extra 9\% but we ated it!" | [15:30] |
| diana_coman: | bah, can't seem to find anywhere Birdman's confirmation | [15:31] |
| diana_coman: | my claims were with an imp hoe | [15:31] |
| diana_coman: | his as far as I recall where with a basic tool | [15:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | so imp hoe ; which basic tool ? ; bare hands | [15:37] |
| jurov: | wants improved hands | [15:40] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, good idea jurov, that should be talented person's hands basically or possibly skill | [15:40] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, do you know for sure what tool birdman used to get those rf claims? | [15:41] |
| danielpbarron: | nope | [15:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | aaand server coming down for some emergency patching. | [17:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | we;re back in business. sorry for the interruption. | [17:31] |
| DicePower: | Hello World! | [18:00] |
| danielpbarron: | hi there! | [18:01] |
| DicePower: | Just found this game today, thinking about downloading it. | [18:02] |
| DicePower: | Is it similar to Dragon's Tale? | [18:02] |
| danielpbarron: | what's dragon's tale? | [18:02] |
| DicePower: | A bitcoin based casino style MMO. | [18:03] |
| DicePower: | Where you can deposit or withdraw BTC. | [18:03] |
| danielpbarron: | https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7d/60/90/7d609009f7e0bab325411b91ee53a542.jpg << notbad.jpg | [18:03] |
| danielpbarron: | then, yes. Eulora is similar to that | [18:03] |
| DicePower: | Is there anything in particular to know when starting the game, like anything you can mess up permanently or miss the opportunity to do? | [18:04] |
| DicePower: | Or are all decisions reversible? | [18:05] |
| danielpbarron: | no, Eulora is very unkind to mistakes, but you probably won't make any as a noob | [18:05] |
| hanbot: | DicePower a perusing of http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora#I.27m_new.21_What_should_I_do.3F would prolly do you some good (install help's there as well) | [18:06] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) | [18:06] |
| danielpbarron: | noobs can make money doing tasks for the more experienced players | [18:06] |
| DicePower: | In what way is it unkind to mistakes? | [18:06] |
| DicePower: | Thanks hanbot, I'll check it out | [18:06] |
| danielpbarron: | in that they aren't reversable and might cost you a lot of money | [18:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey. is dt still running DicePower ? | [18:07] |
| DicePower: | As far as I know, DT is still going. | [18:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron notbad indeed. where from ? | [18:08] |
| DicePower: | I haven't logged in in a few months. | [18:08] |
| danielpbarron: | a google image search for dragon's tale | [18:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, no, it's unrelated. | [18:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | i actually made something like 50 or 100 BTC playing that. this was of course back in the times. | [18:08] |
| DicePower: | I made like 1.2 BTC heh | [18:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | chetty was a big fan of teppy (the guy running it), on the basis of his tale in the desert thing | [18:09] |
| danielpbarron: | oh i thought the screenshots looked familiar | [18:09] |
| danielpbarron: | i've tried the desert noe | [18:09] |
| hanbot: | played dragon's tale a little back in the day, too | [18:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | it was an acceptable early btc casino thing, dt. not very complex gameplay, basically bet high/low on coconuts and a few other such games. | [18:10] |
| DicePower: | "in that they aren't reversable and might cost you a lot of money" Like, you have to pick a profession and can't reverse the decision, or more like you might get back less loot then you spent on a run? | [18:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | DicePower no. | [18:10] |
| danielpbarron: | how is that a no? | [18:10] |
| hanbot: | lol | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | there are no professions | [18:11] |
| jurov: | You can lose an expensive craftwork using worn out tools | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess my answer wasn't very good huh. anyway DicePower : it's fully sandbox, you can do whatever you want. noobs rarely lose money as it is and their services in very high demand | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | as you level up it gets riskier, but entirely your option to do so. | [18:11] |
| DicePower: | okay sweet | [18:11] |
| DicePower: | Is there any way you can "lock" yourself in or out of a particular thing (like if you miss the chance to get an item)? | [18:12] |
| jurov: | generally not, all items can be bought or sold | [18:12] |
| DicePower: | I just like to be aware of any "missables," etc. before starting a game. | [18:12] |
| DicePower: | Okay, good to know. | [18:12] |
| danielpbarron: | you could miss out on an auction of some item that can't be got | [18:12] |
| DicePower: | Until the next person sells the same item? | [18:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | DicePower it's very much driven by players and the metagame is the principal driver. so not really. | [18:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | kinda opposite to how wow/eq/etc work | [18:13] |
| DicePower: | nice | [18:13] |
| DicePower: | I like that | [18:13] |
| DicePower: | Don't like the "locked in" or missable thing. | [18:13] |
| diana_coman: | DicePower, you won't get "stuck" basically; the game otherwise states that "you can't have it all - where would you put it?" | [18:13] |
| jurov: | And of course, if you feel you need more coppers, I (aka Grundin Goldskull) am the exchanger. | [18:13] |
| danielpbarron: | flashbacks to diablo 2 | [18:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | so far pretty much everything that exists can be crafted by players, with like 2-3 exceptions | [18:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually exactly 3 : the golden goose, the magic bag and the greyhawk potion. | [18:14] |
| DicePower: | And the noteworthy exceptions are account bound items or something? | [18:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | nope. | [18:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | no such thing in eulora. | [18:15] |
| DicePower: | How does acquiring those items work | [18:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | they were limited edition and auctioned off in the old days. | [18:15] |
| DicePower: | Ahh okay, so just have to find someone selling. | [18:15] |
| danielpbarron: | heh, i have all 3 uncraftables then :D | [18:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually... the bags were free for early players iirc | [18:15] |
| DicePower: | How old is this game? | [18:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course technically bps are ALL uncraftable atm lol. | [18:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | DicePower ~6 months | [18:15] |
| DicePower: | ahh | [18:16] |
| danielpbarron: | i also have those (the sup drafts) | [18:16] |
| DicePower: | The old days lol | [18:16] |
| diana_coman: | DicePower, those items won't stop you from doing anything that the others do really | [18:16] |
| DicePower: | Yeah, as long as those items and the BPs can be traded, that's not really what I'm talking about then. | [18:16] |
| DicePower: | Sound like it's safe to dive into the game and explore. | [18:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have nfi what you'd jhave to pay someone for his magic bag lol | [18:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | a fortune i imagine | [18:17] |
| DicePower: | lol | [18:17] |
| danielpbarron: | a bitcoin is a good place to start but even then i think i'd pass | [18:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | as you say, rolex huh. | [18:17] |
| diana_coman: | would not sell her bag for 1 btc | [18:17] |
| DicePower: | That's a far amount for a rare item. Even a couple BTC. | [18:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | gives the word BAGHOLDER a whole new meaning doesn't it ? | [18:17] |
| DicePower: | There has to be some items worth something in the game. | [18:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | (this may have been deliberate) | [18:18] |
| diana_coman: | heh DicePower lots of other items are worth quite a lot really, no lack of those | [18:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | DicePower you can read the wiki or diana's very nice item and recipe listing | [18:18] |
| danielpbarron: | DicePower, http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/shop.txt | [18:18] |
| diana_coman: | the listing: http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/index.html | [18:18] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Euloran Cookbook Version 1.2 (at www.dianacoman.com) | [18:18] |
| diana_coman: | (which btw is not complete) | [18:19] |
| jurov: | DicePower: things have base value which is a sum of all stuff it was made from | [18:19] |
| DicePower: | ahhhh | [18:19] |
| jurov: | so as you go up the ladder, the values (and prices) climb up | [18:19] |
| diana_coman: | really, best place to get an idea is the very nice intro on concepts at http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora | [18:19] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) | [18:19] |
| jurov: | and then there is the quality | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | is that page new ? /me goes read | [18:20] |
| DicePower: | What are the differences between the Foxybot and the upstream download package? | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | foxybot is just an add on, to be soon merged in main | [18:20] |
| danielpbarron: | i should re-evaluate my blueprint prices actually | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | basically lets you macro | [18:20] |
| DicePower: | Does the upstream mean anything? | [18:20] |
| DicePower: | Or is it the same thing without the Foxybot? | [18:20] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, not new, I think it's what hanbot wrote | [18:20] |
| jurov: | upstream is unchanged code released by S.MG | [18:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron i was gonna buy some of those :D | [18:21] |
| jurov: | foxybot is with diana_coman's patch | [18:21] |
| DicePower: | So best to get the first binary with Foxybot? | [18:21] |
| diana_coman: | DicePower, Foxybot is a bot I wrote to automate some main tasks | [18:21] |
| DicePower: | Nice | [18:21] |
| DicePower: | I take it bots are allowed in the game. | [18:21] |
| jurov: | yes, use that one, saves you a lot of clicking | [18:21] |
| DicePower: | Are users allowed to write their own bots? | [18:22] |
| jurov: | Yes | [18:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yes. foxy is a user lol | [18:22] |
| DicePower: | Nice :) | [18:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc jurov wrote one too, or something | [18:22] |
| jurov: | But you'll find out server limits possible movement speed and sets hard delays on building/crafting. | [18:22] |
| DicePower: | This game sounds fun | [18:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | o ya. | [18:23] |
| DicePower: | I take it we're a subset of the Entropia/ex-Entropia playerbase? | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm ? | [18:24] |
| DicePower: | Are or were we pretty much all Entropia players | [18:25] |
| danielpbarron: | has never before heard of 'Entropia' | [18:27] |
| jurov: | too | [18:27] |
| DicePower: | Wow | [18:27] |
| DicePower: | Okay | [18:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | which one is this ? | [18:27] |
| DicePower: | Entropia Universe | [18:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | looks like a sort of eve ? | [18:28] |
| DicePower: | Sort of the pioneer of Real Cash Economies. | [18:28] |
| danielpbarron: | https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_G1Z8R-bogA/maxresdefault.jpg << notbad.jpg | [18:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | omfg i used to play this actually. | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | but it was called something else. | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | that shit had beautiful landscapes. pretty retarded game mechanics | [18:29] |
| DicePower: | It used to be called Project Entropia. | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't think they actually implemented any game whatsoever. but the landscapes were beautiful. | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron aha! | [18:30] |
| DicePower: | No game? Sounds like Second Life or Blue Mars | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron what was that, rift ? | [18:31] |
| danielpbarron: | google image search for Entropia | [18:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | incidentally, since i own the publisher, we can afford to drop the fucktarded conventions and should prolly use it. full nudity ftw. | [18:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | a really ? nb. | [18:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | DicePower in fairness this was more than 10 years ago. | [18:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | prolly changed a lot if it is still around. | [18:32] |
| DicePower: | Just logged into Dragon's Tale. It's still going too. | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | Significant events and virtual property sales[edit] | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | December 14, 2004 \u0096 Game creators MindArk announced the conclusion of the first "Treasure Island Sale", a virtual island put up for auction. The winning bidder, Zachurm "Deathifier" Emegen, paid 265,000 PED (US6,500) for the island. At the time, this was the highest price ever paid for a virtual item. According to the press release, it is "a large island off a newly discovered continent surrounded by deep creature infested | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | waters. The island boasts beautiful beaches ripe for developing beachfront property, an old volcano with rumors of fierce creatures within, the outback is overrun with mutants, and an area with a high concentration of robotic miners guarded by heavily armed assault robots indicates interesting mining opportunities." | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh check that out. | [18:32] |
| DicePower: | Entropia beat its own record when NEVERDIE bought a virtual asteroid. | [18:33] |
| DicePower: | Then broke the record again when he sold it. | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | i c. | [18:33] |
| DicePower: | http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-popular/10-of-the-most-expensive-virtual-items-in-video-games/?view=all | [18:34] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: 10 Of The Most Expensive Virtual Items In Video Games - TheRichest (at www.therichest.com) | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... curious what sunday's auction does then :D | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | 8. World of Warcraft Character \u0096 ,000 << eh bs. | [18:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | i personally know a chick that was making a living off this throughout her younger days, sold select accts for way more than that. | [18:35] |
| DicePower: | heh | [18:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1. Club Neverdie in Entropia Universe \u0096 35,000 << so like 1500 btc ? DOABLE :D | [18:36] |
| DicePower: | Pretty crazy | [18:38] |
| danielpbarron: | wow Dota 2 on that list | [18:40] |
| danielpbarron: | the only things you can buy in Dota 2 are skins with no game effects | [18:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | hanbot 464 * 8824 * 1.54 * 1.25 = 7881596.8. 597 * 262 * 1.35 = 211158.9. 7670437.9 net | [18:56] |
| hanbot: | ty | [18:57] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, are your blueprints still for sale? if so I'll take them all for the quoted price :D | [20:48] |
| Birdman: | hey sorry about that mircea_popescu, can grab the tool kits whenever works for you | [21:18] |
| Birdman: | also i think these changes are gonna be awesome, so are enumerations still going to be used in supplications? or are those items just not going to exist anymore? seeing as the drafts are now useless | [21:19] |
| danielpbarron: | what items? | [21:20] |
| Birdman: | supplications | [21:20] |
| danielpbarron: | i was under the impression those would continue existing | [21:21] |
| danielpbarron: | or rather, are still craftable | [21:21] |
| Birdman: | yeah but the bp used to make them isnt so, was just a thought | [21:21] |
| danielpbarron: | i guess there's a new way to make them | [21:21] |
| Birdman: | glad i just bought a bunch of tool kits to use for bp overcraft | [21:22] |
| Birdman: | wonder where bp q will come into play outside of bouq line | [21:34] |
| danielpbarron: | my hypothesis that blueprint value didn't count in a craft was based on how loot would contaminate the stack in your mind | [21:39] |
| danielpbarron: | but since that is no longer the case.. | [21:39] |
| Birdman: | yeah but if that is the case, it'd be adding 1/10 the value of your bundle | [21:40] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron you have some spare shredding instructions? | [21:47] |
| danielpbarron: | what is spare | [21:48] |
| Birdman: | 72 | [21:49] |
| danielpbarron: | sure | [21:49] |
| danielpbarron: | how does 72 help?? | [21:49] |
| Birdman: | pre made bundles, cant loot more, wanna shred them before anything screwy happens in the skill line | [21:49] |
| Birdman: | whatcha want for them | [21:50] |
| DicePower: | Is there a known fix to the popup window that says, "This program can't be started because openal32.dll is missing"? | [22:08] |
| DicePower: | I moved the Eulora folder to C:/ and I downloaded the MSVS Redistributable 2010 | [22:08] |
| danielpbarron: | jurov, ^ | [22:09] |
| danielpbarron: | most of us play on some sort of linux | [22:09] |
| DicePower: | I'm on Windows 7 | [22:10] |
| danielpbarron: | I'm sorry to hear that | [22:10] |
| DicePower: | lol | [22:10] |
| DicePower: | Is the game supported on that OS? | [22:11] |
| Birdman: | iirc i had that same problem, and the fix was just redownloading the compiled version | [22:11] |
| DicePower: | okay, thanks | [22:11] |
| DicePower: | I'll try it | [22:11] |
| Birdman: | are you trying to run it with the .bat? | [22:13] |
| DicePower: | tried both | [22:14] |
| DicePower: | The .bat, and the .exe in the program folder. | [22:15] |
| DicePower: | Or "directory" as the Linux people like to say :P | [22:15] |
| danielpbarron: | even directory is a retarded concept | [22:15] |
| danielpbarron: | pathname or something | [22:15] |
| DicePower: | "node" >_> | [22:17] |
| DicePower: | Is the program portable, or is there stuff to clear out when reinstalling in AppData/Program Files/etc? | [22:18] |
| Birdman: | while shredding i get 1lbn appear in the screens, when i add it to inventory it adds the correct 103 lbn | [22:20] |
| danielpbarron: | i've seen that too | [22:20] |
| danielpbarron: | what does it say when you right click it in the screens? | [22:21] |
| Birdman: | says its 103 of em | [22:21] |
| danielpbarron: | just a visual glitch | [22:21] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [22:21] |
| Birdman: | an influx of noobs right after bps cant be looted | [22:24] |
| DicePower: | Dang, downloaded again, directly to the C: drive this time, problem persists. | [22:24] |
| DicePower: | Do you have to point it to the downloaded MSVS somehow? | [22:24] |
| danielpbarron: | is it not possible for you to get a real computer? | [22:24] |
| DicePower: | I have a lot of computers. | [22:24] |
| Birdman: | do you have all the cs updated? | [22:25] |
| DicePower: | CS? | [22:25] |
| Birdman: | cystal space | [22:25] |
| danielpbarron: | ok so try eulora on one of your computers | [22:25] |
| DicePower: | I used the Installation Package. | [22:25] |
| DicePower: | Not the masters degree required installation method :D | [22:26] |
| danielpbarron: | weren't you asking about making bots? how're you supposed to make a bot if you can't compile code that's alrady known to work? | [22:27] |
| Birdman: | well i have it and remember it being a seperate thing, but the packages have been updated since | [22:27] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah you should get the foxybot one Birdman | [22:27] |
| Birdman: | i have it | [22:28] |
| Birdman: | gives a widget loading error iirc, so not available on windows yet | [22:28] |
| DicePower: | Foxybot doesn't work at all on Windows? | [22:29] |
| Birdman: | no | [22:29] |
| Birdman: | but i can recommend a cool macro ^_^ | [22:29] |
| danielpbarron: | barfs | [22:29] |
| DicePower: | Ya know | [22:30] |
| DicePower: | Windows is a pretty popular OS :D | [22:30] |
| DicePower: | I'm sure there are going to be a lot of people who want to play games on it | [22:30] |
| Birdman: | how did mp put it? 'if you want something to be mass adopted, it has to be retarded' | [22:30] |
| Birdman: | somethin like that | [22:30] |
| Birdman: | well the fact that you need to register a gpg key is detterant enough, if you are willing and able to do that, your os is probably irrelevant | [22:31] |
| Birdman: | and though we may all be havin a blast here on eulora its still really young, bugs will be worked out in due time | [22:31] |
| DicePower: | So is it okay to just ignore the error message you think? | [22:32] |
| danielpbarron: | i think there's plans to put it in the app store and on steam and have a command line version | [22:33] |
| Birdman: | will the game run after the message? | [22:33] |
| DicePower: | Yeah, it says, "This program can't be started because openal32.dll is missing" but then the game runs anyhow. | [22:33] |
| DicePower: | I just wondered if the file was available. | [22:33] |
| Birdman: | oh, screw it then i'd say | [22:33] |
| DicePower: | So I don't run into problems later | [22:33] |
| danielpbarron: | but i don't think there's every any plans to cater to "a lot of people" or to be "pretty popular" | [22:33] |
| danielpbarron: | look at what else is popular among lots of people | [22:33] |
| Birdman: | well some things you cant knock danielpbarron, cars are pretty sweet | [22:34] |
| Birdman: | knock some things* | [22:34] |
| DicePower: | So is the Internet. | [22:35] |
| DicePower: | Which this game requires | [22:35] |
| DicePower: | Too mainstream for me >_> | [22:35] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't knock cars per se, but look at what passes for a car these days | [22:36] |
| Birdman: | Right, but those things will probably be out of the grasp of mass adoption eventually, they can just afford it through weird fiat debt cycles | [22:36] |
| danielpbarron: | they aren't sold for the engine or anything car-like, but what gadgets work in it | [22:36] |
| danielpbarron: | "has wifi" "onstar" "touchscreens in seat" | [22:36] |
| danielpbarron: | "can plug in ifone" | [22:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman that'll have to be next time i auction some. | [22:37] |
| Birdman: | Thanks, im in no rush over here | [22:38] |
| DicePower: | Hmm, so what all is involved with creating an account? | [22:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | DicePower> I have a lot of computers. << jurov does the windows packaging, prolly be able to help you once he comes on | [22:39] |
| DicePower: | ahh okay, I'll ask him | [22:39] |
| DicePower: | ty | [22:39] |
| Birdman: | you ask mircea_popescu for an account after registering a key with assbot? | [22:39] |
| DicePower: | Do you create your own email/name/password? | [22:39] |
| DicePower: | Or is it an existing account? | [22:39] |
| Birdman: | no/yes/no | [22:40] |
| DicePower: | That's very interesting. | [22:40] |
| DicePower: | I take it registration used to be open, but there were problems? | [22:40] |
| Birdman: | he encrypts the pass for ya | [22:40] |
| Birdman: | no, i think thats just the bar he set to join his game | [22:40] |
| danielpbarron: | registration hasn't changed since the start | [22:41] |
| DicePower: | Oh okay, no plans to change it then. | [22:41] |
| DicePower: | Just be a bit odd to not use your own email address. | [22:41] |
| DicePower: | I guess they don't contact you for anything. | [22:41] |
| danielpbarron: | email is also retarded | [22:41] |
| DicePower: | lol | [22:41] |
| Birdman: | gpg is the ultimate email | [22:41] |
| danielpbarron: | if you need to contact, there is irc | [22:41] |
| DicePower: | Google Plus Gadget? | [22:42] |
| danielpbarron: | posting gpg-grams to public free txt host service and passing url through irc | [22:42] |
| DicePower: | That doesn't seam easier than email. | [22:42] |
| danielpbarron: | http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/gpg | [22:42] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: gpg [bitcoin assets wiki] (at wiki.bitcoin-assets.com) | [22:42] |
| Birdman: | easy isnt the idea | [22:42] |
| Birdman: | security is | [22:43] |
| DicePower: | Why not just make a secure email account, like a vfemail? | [22:43] |
| danielpbarron: | it actually kinda is easier than email | [22:43] |
| danielpbarron: | there is no such thing as "secure email account" | [22:43] |
| DicePower: | vfemail.com | [22:43] |
| danielpbarron: | especially not if you aren't actually hosting it yourself | [22:43] |
| DicePower: | .net rather | [22:43] |
| danielpbarron: | vfemail.net isn't in the WoT | [22:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron> i think there's plans to put it in the app store and on steam and have a command line version << something like that. | [22:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | DicePower> Yeah, it says, "This program can't be started because openal32.dll is missing" but then the game runs anyhow. << lol the mysteries of windows. | [22:44] |
| DicePower: | :) | [22:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, you need a pgp key, which you then register with assbot. | [22:45] |
| DicePower: | Is that literally its name? lol | [22:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [22:45] |
| Birdman: | lol stands for the bitcoin assets bot | [22:45] |
| DicePower: | Ahhhh | [22:45] |
| Birdman: | how did you hear about eulora? | [22:45] |
| DicePower: | That makes sense. | [22:45] |
| danielpbarron: | "This car can't be started because engine is missing" *starts anyway* | [22:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | win. | [22:46] |
| DicePower: | Out of curiosity, is there a 1 account per person limit, or unlimited? | [22:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's an acct per person | [22:46] |
| DicePower: | kk | [22:46] |
| Birdman: | and with death there's no incentive to sell accounts | [22:46] |
| DicePower: | That's going to be awkward when they decide to have people register with their own email addresses lol | [22:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | i doubt that's ever going to happen | [22:46] |
| DicePower: | Strange policy | [22:46] |
| DicePower: | "how did you hear about eulora?" I just found it today. | [22:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... uncommon, for sure. | [22:47] |
| DicePower: | I've played presumably similar games. | [22:47] |
| DicePower: | I've played a lot of different real cash economies. | [22:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | these actually exist ? | [22:48] |
| DicePower: | Yes! | [22:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | list for my culture ? | [22:48] |
| DicePower: | Entropia Universe, AfterWorld (no longer exists), Second Life, Dragon's Tale (BTC based as well), Planet of Dreams | [22:49] |
| DicePower: | Diablo III when it was sort of an RCE in a sense | [22:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | i played d3 too, originally. but man the economy was broken | [22:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | lasted a few weeks for me, but it was grotesque | [22:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | never seen the last one. | [22:49] |
| DicePower: | I stopped when they dropped the real money auction house. | [22:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | well i never played second life either, seemed retarded to me, but hey | [22:50] |
| DicePower: | That was like their advertising gimmick. | [22:50] |
| DicePower: | Then they dropped it once kiddies complained. | [22:50] |
| DicePower: | I never understood second life | [22:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | shit this looks just like eulora | [22:50] |
| DicePower: | Played it a bit, never figured it out | [22:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://amirgames.com/ < | [22:51] |
| DicePower: | Which one looks like Eulora? | [22:51] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Amir Games (at amirgames.com) | [22:51] |
| DicePower: | Ahh yeah | [22:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | "Monday, December 14, 2015 | [22:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | Flapping wings | [22:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | Planet Of Dreams version 0.0.6 has been released with new additions and features. | [22:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | You can wear a nice looking Flapping wings which unlocks some features and make you eligible to receive 4,500 PODC from the commission generated from players without sponsor." | [22:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | uh | [22:51] |
| DicePower: | Another RCE that I haven't tried is Blue Mars. | [22:51] |
| DicePower: | Similar to Second Life I think. | [22:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | well no, basically... it uses a very similar engine to eulora, judging by the terrai ntextures. but omfg the particles are ugly and retarded. | [22:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://amirgames.com/Gallery.aspx < | [22:52] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Planet Of Dreams gallery (at amirgames.com) | [22:52] |
| DicePower: | There's a lot of focus on getting people to use your referral link and such in that game. | [22:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | DicePower seems like there's basically just that guy. do you happen to know him ? | [22:53] |
| DicePower: | Trying to build a player base that way I guess. | [22:53] |
| DicePower: | I've talked to the guy and game and on the forum briefly. | [22:53] |
| DicePower: | *in game | [22:54] |
| DicePower: | I wrote an installation guide for the game which he liked. | [22:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey danielpbarron http://amirgames.com/ContactUs.aspx < mind contacting this guy (maybe pm on forum ? or maybe has some sm or something ?) see if he'll come over ? | [22:54] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Contact us (at amirgames.com) | [22:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe he wants to do some work for s.mg instead of w/e that is. | [22:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | DicePower do you have a contact ? | [22:54] |
| DicePower: | Nope, other than PMing him on the forum. | [22:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [22:55] |
| DicePower: | Last I heard he's pretty enthusiastic about his game. | [22:56] |
| DicePower: | But ofc that could change in the future. | [22:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | who ever knows. | [22:57] |
| DicePower: | Anno1777 is a real cash economy browser game. | [22:58] |
| DicePower: | Never played that one. | [22:58] |
| DicePower: | I haven't done the browser games, there are a few I think. | [22:58] |
| DicePower: | Then there's Aftertime Diaries. | [22:59] |
| DicePower: | Think it's not released yet, but a planned RCE. | [23:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | well this convo is proving quite instructive. | [23:00] |
| DicePower: | It's funny, but I don't think there's really a list of all of these anywhere lol | [23:01] |
| DicePower: | There ought to be a wikipedia page | [23:01] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron what are you willing to buy these supp drafts for? | [23:02] |
| danielpbarron: | base value | [23:02] |
| Birdman: | qi? | [23:02] |
| danielpbarron: | adjusted | [23:02] |
| danielpbarron: | plus whatever amount makes it worth not just going to npc | [23:03] |
| danielpbarron: | for the whole lot that is | [23:03] |
| Birdman: | well thats what i was thinking | [23:03] |
| Birdman: | i know the npc will charge 30\%, so how about 1.25 bv | [23:03] |
| danielpbarron: | charge? | [23:04] |
| Birdman: | if i were to sell to the npc, and you were to buy them | [23:04] |
| danielpbarron: | electron will buy them at exactly what they are worth if i'm not mistaken | [23:04] |
| danielpbarron: | why would i do that? | [23:04] |
| Birdman: | because you want them | [23:04] |
| danielpbarron: | i just want you to not sell them at base value | [23:04] |
| danielpbarron: | i can always do that myself if i need to | [23:05] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm willing to pay a little over for the novelty of it | [23:05] |
| Birdman: | thats what i'd sell em for | [23:06] |
| Birdman: | the commons mind you, probably keeping all the rare's myself | [23:07] |
| danielpbarron: | how many do you even have? | [23:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | "3" | [23:08] |
| Birdman: | probably around 2k of each | [23:08] |
| danielpbarron: | so like 1.8 mn or so worth | [23:11] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm curious if electron offers what i think they are worth; i haven't actually tried selling any | [23:11] |
| danielpbarron: | >> 34 years old, single, born and lives in Egypt. << heh | [23:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | egypt is not that bad a place actually. | [23:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | or wasn't at any rate | [23:13] |
| danielpbarron: | i was hehing more at the 'single' part | [23:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. common in arab lands. | [23:14] |
| danielpbarron: | if he wasn't single, would he instead list "# of wives" | [23:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty much | [23:16] |
| danielpbarron: | sent him a message via his html form | [23:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | forum pm prolly way better, but who knows. | [23:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | "Unzipping (in Linux) | [23:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | An example of a different unzipping process is a Linux POD installation. 7-Zip works well on Windows, but on Linux, you will need an alternative program. Right-click \u0093PlanetOfDreams_[game version]_[your operating system].7z,\u0094 which should be in the \u0093Downloads\u0094 section of your home folder (the folder with the name of your Linux account), accessible via the \u0093Files\u0094 launcher, and select \u0093Open with Archive Manager | [23:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | .\u0094 Click the \u0093Search Command\u0094 button, and Archive Manager will find, download, and install the correct program for the job, a Linux-friendly version of 7-Zip called \u0093p7zip.\u0094 Just click the \u0093Install\u0094 button. Some distributions of Linux, by default, will ask for confirmation that you trust the source of the p7Zip program. You can be confident by downloading and installing through Archive Manager that you have a | [23:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | legitimate copy of p7Zip, which is a safe program and will not harm your computer. You will be asked to provide your administrative password to complete the installation." | [23:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | all this shit just to avoid making a fucking .tar.gz archive ?! | [23:22] |
| hanbot: | .tar.gz prolly sounds very scary if one's not aware home is (the folder with the name of your Linux account) | [23:24] |
| DicePower: | I wrote this installation guide to make it a little easier, since it was kinda not explained very well. | [23:24] |
| DicePower: | http://planetofdreams.info/index.php?topic=61.0 | [23:24] |
| DicePower: | Still an easier install than the manual install of this game I think :P | [23:25] |
| danielpbarron: | "It's easier. Just give keys to your house." | [23:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh you wrote this ? k :p | [23:29] |
| DicePower: | Yup | [23:29] |
| DicePower: | Has to access some other OSes to write it lol | [23:29] |
| DicePower: | *Had | [23:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, ftr, golden standard for linux is .tar.gz because they are standard cmd line tools in all distros, so everyone has them | [23:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | " It\u0092s really encouraging to hear that you like it, since I was hoping it would help get me off the naughty list for my little blunder the other day, hehe." lopl what did you do ? | [23:31] |
| DicePower: | Ohhh | [23:31] |
| DicePower: | I created a second account by mistake while experimenting to write the guide, and he PMed me in game asking if I knew players were only allowed 1 account lol (before he knew I was working on the guide). | [23:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. | [23:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, if you're the sort that writes guides etc, you'll prolly like eulora, players oft get various bounties for doing stuff. | [23:33] |
| DicePower: | Sweet | [23:34] |
| DicePower: | I always love to try RCEs out. | [23:35] |
| DicePower: | Looking forward to it | [23:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you have a linux box you can compile it on ? | [23:36] |
| DicePower: | No, only a virtual machine on VirtualBox. | [23:37] |
| DicePower: | So I could try stuff on a VM, but don't have an actual linux OS. | [23:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. well then you're stuck till jurov shows up, i never ran it on a windows box myself. | [23:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | eu, so prolly be around in a few hours. | [23:38] |
| DicePower: | Ahh okay, probably won't catch him tonight then, but I'll be back. | [23:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | make yourself a pgp key in the meanwhile | [23:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know how to do that ? | [23:39] |
| DicePower: | Found video explaining it | [23:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah you want gpg4win or kleopatra or something | [23:40] |
| DicePower: | Ohhhh, you put your name and email address into the key. | [23:41] |
| DicePower: | That makes sense. | [23:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | not like you have to. fields are optional. | [23:41] |
| DicePower: | That's why you don't have to explicitly supply and email address I guess | [23:41] |
| DicePower: | Oh okay, that's unrelated then | [23:42] |
| DicePower: | So like, users basically handle their own password encryption? | [23:43] |
| DicePower: | Through this process | [23:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | how do you mean ? | [23:43] |
| DicePower: | Assuming that's what the PGP key it outputs is | [23:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's not, no. | [23:44] |
| DicePower: | ahh okay | [23:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | asymmetric ciphers (such as pgp) allow people to exchange secret communication without sharing a password. | [23:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | by having your public key, i can make ciphered messages only you can read | [23:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | which is how you get your eulora password | [23:44] |
| DicePower: | Ahh okay | [23:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's an important standard for privacy and so on. | [23:45] |
| DicePower: | Yeah | [23:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | and it's useful throughout your life. you never know when you need to talk to someone privately. | [23:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | most competent people have a key. it for instance makes a good impression to have it in your cv, especially if trying to get a higher paying it job. etc. | [23:46] |
| DicePower: | Is it better than just using Tor to communicate? | [23:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | much. | [23:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | other than being a tool of usg, tor communications are routinely exposed by third parties. | [23:48] |
| DicePower: | That's interesting | [23:49] |
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