| mircea_popescu: | i'd buy either. | [00:03] |
| Birdman: | my tinkering output puts me at selling to you for 94\% bv | [00:12] |
| Birdman: | so ill probably end up making the oils | [00:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [00:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you make some low oil make some low slag too ima sell you high shaped slag then | [00:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | you can make some samovars and get bps for sale, or make tools. | [00:19] |
| Birdman: | sounds good | [00:19] |
| Birdman: | So i need to loot 540k worth of bps from this ltf run to break even excluding exp gained and training costs | [00:23] |
| Birdman: | you're selling screens right mircea_popescu | [00:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. i got a 681k durability one you can have for 1.3mn | [00:30] |
| Birdman: | that 190\%? | [00:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah | [00:31] |
| Birdman: | i'll take em | [00:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | how many ? | [00:31] |
| Birdman: | how many do you have? | [00:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3, actually. | [00:32] |
| Birdman: | hmm, let me check reserves quick to see what i can monetize | [00:32] |
| Birdman: | Oh, do they come with some clogs? | [00:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | unfortunately they do not. but i'll be making some more clogs later on. | [00:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you're looking for something to make low q, i'd readily buy BMS. need 12 per clog, i can make you as many as you want. | [00:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, you in town ? | [00:34] |
| Birdman: | Yes, are you interested in any bps by the way? thats where most of my holdings are at the moment, have some resources i could get rid of as well | [00:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, what you got ? | [00:36] |
| Birdman: | i have some rr, boulders, and rf for basic harvest, and i have lots of bps for multiple skill lines | [00:38] |
| Birdman: | various low q crafts but not in any significant amount | [00:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | specificity won't kill you. | [00:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, sure i buy boulders, rf, etc. | [00:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | weren't you also selling used up tools ? | [00:41] |
| Birdman: | bps for almost wine, basketcase, chair for head, craft table, basic tools, wineskin, harness, shaped slags, ltf, oils, gin, screwdriver, ppb, hauberk, flatbread, mockasillies | [00:42] |
| Birdman: | and a bunch of supp drafts | [00:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q's are these ? 70s ? | [00:42] |
| Birdman: | yeah i have those too | [00:42] |
| Birdman: | the bps? more like 30q | [00:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | how muych for the wine, tools, wineskin, shaped slags, oils, gin an' bread ? | [00:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | and how many you got ? | [00:43] |
| Birdman: | i have 21 wine, 71 hoes 277 adze 174 picks 4 imp adze, 147 wineskin, 26 flat 21 pointy 26 sharp, 105 oils, 27 gin, 53 breads | [00:47] |
| Birdman: | I was thinking something like 70\% of bv @ 100q | [00:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | that works. 635k the lot. | [00:51] |
| Birdman: | 1732 rr at q23, 1050 rf at 46q, 707 boulders at 43q | [00:52] |
| Birdman: | and 105 worn basic tools | [00:52] |
| Birdman: | I'd sell you some of the high q resources i have but to turn a profit i'd have to charge some 50\% over | [00:53] |
| Birdman: | and some stuff even 80\% | [00:53] |
| Birdman: | oh and ordinary claims of anything besides grc and st | [00:55] |
| Birdman: | and the nuts | [00:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's ok. | [00:56] |
| Birdman: | yeah i figured as much, i should probably start getting some noob work done | [00:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm you got wm claims ? or what ? | [00:57] |
| Birdman: | just two of those, though can make more on request | [00:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much for 'em ? | [00:58] |
| Birdman: | 40k a pop | [00:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | mmmh. | [00:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah ill pass. | [00:58] |
| Birdman: | no problem | [00:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh it went down did it. | [00:59] |
| Birdman: | seems that way | [00:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | 35 * 14326 * 1.25 = 626762.5 hanbot | [01:07] |
| hanbot: | much obliged | [01:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | o btw Birdman srs i also want low q. | [01:09] |
| Birdman: | cool ill work it out | [01:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite so you ready to trade here ? | [01:13] |
| Birdman: | yes | [01:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | hit me. | [01:13] |
| Birdman: | im overladen | [01:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | drop something pick it back up. | [01:14] |
| Birdman: | Also i'll take two screens | [01:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | 707 * 59 * .99 + 1050 * 80 * 1.01 + 105 * 2000 + 1732 * 67 * .85 = 434773.27 | [01:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | + 635k from before call it an even mil. | [01:16] |
| Birdman: | sounds good | [01:16] |
| Birdman: | just take my 1.6 and call it two screens | [01:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. | [01:17] |
| Birdman: | are you sort of giving up on bouq or do you see the piqued interest in the items? | [01:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima log off you can pick up | [01:18] |
| Birdman: | kk | [01:18] |
| Birdman: | got em | [01:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | well the thing is, i'm so behind on my own craft i can't in good conscience just sit o nthe tools. | [01:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | not to mention i'm the one making them, can always make myself more. | [01:19] |
| Birdman: | ah | [01:19] |
| Birdman: | How many more do you have? | [01:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | but by the time i'm done making this 15k goop (o.O) diana_coman will prolly have finished with the 2nd bottle batch so i'll be making ~5k io. this alone is going to take me to almost the end of the month. | [01:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | and then i wanna make a coupla hundred csw, and make it into aw. and then i gotta make some imp hoes. and some ft and cs. and on it goes. im buried. | [01:24] |
| Birdman: | Are the skill book bps in the loot pool once you unlock them? or are they solely yours? | [01:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | more research needed there | [01:25] |
| Birdman: | Kk, i do loot dsti's | [01:26] |
| jurov: | diana_coman: FYI exploration bot (crafting likely too) crashes whole client when inventory has no free slots: http://dpaste.com/2YC281P | [09:09] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: dpaste: 2YC281P: crash on bot mining right after login, by jurov (at dpaste.com) | [09:09] |
| diana_coman: | ouch, thanks jurov, I'll check that | [09:09] |
| diana_coman: | crafting has nothing to do with moving stuff to inv so don't see why/how that would crash | [09:10] |
| diana_coman: | but will look into exploring | [09:10] |
| jurov: | thanks. craftbot does move the results into inventory, too (but i see it only calls "get and stack all") | [09:11] |
| diana_coman: | that's what I meant: it's entirely different thing | [09:11] |
| diana_coman: | uhmmm, jurov, ca you tell me what were you doing exactly? | [09:13] |
| jurov: | it tried to replace worn tool | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | it's a bit weird as to how it gets there: did you start exploring with a full inventory? | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | I know what the bot was doing, just that it's a bit of a weird case to end up doing that | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, 1 sec for the fix | [09:14] |
| jurov: | yes, i logged in and forgot inv is full | [09:14] |
| jurov: | oh it;s not urgent | [09:14] |
| diana_coman: | ahhh, I see; good catch there, I should have checked that again for sure | [09:16] |
| diana_coman: | just needs another if (toolSlot == NULL) { Error(); OutputMsg(csString("Inventory full, will stop.")); break;} | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | line 122 in botactivity.cpp | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | I'll add that to next release | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | hmm, I'll have to check that bloody client function returns null when inv is full | [09:18] |
| diana_coman: | it does claim to return NULL, but then again there are the hidden slot | [09:19] |
| diana_coman: | slots | [09:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | teh hidden sluts. | [09:20] |
| diana_coman: | heh, more like hidden slugs maybe in this client | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw diana_coman i looked through my stash, i actually have 600+ ST. | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | ha, I kept selling my st to you for samovars and you were just stashing them under the bed!!! | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | :D | [09:21] |
| diana_coman: | lol, but that's good news | [09:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | neway i don't intend to pricegauge or anything. | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | just, can make a buncha samovars. will need bps, as i don't have nearly that many, but still. | [09:22] |
| diana_coman: | aha, good to hear | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | situation not as dire as previously thought. | [09:22] |
| diana_coman: | let me check as I think I got some of those with wyrd's toolkit run | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [09:22] |
| diana_coman: | by far the most economical way of getting samovar bps | [09:22] |
| diana_coman: | way more economical than by making shitty samovars I'd say | [09:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | toolkit runs ? nah, can't be. samovar runs should be hmm | [09:23] |
| diana_coman: | <mircea_popescu> situation not as dire as previously thought. <- yes | [09:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | cuz even if tool destruction, still, at least no st huh ? | [09:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can see it. | [09:23] |
| diana_coman: | yes, because of the st | [09:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah ok. | [09:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | so almost halfway through my dg run, like 1-2 days to go i'd say. how's the bottle process ? | [09:24] |
| diana_coman: | meanwhile wyrd vanished so not sure when the whole flasks run will be ready;hopefully he does make a come back | [09:24] |
| diana_coman: | oh, you wanted some of the toolkit bps too, will go through them when I get back to town | [09:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | also birdman you can have my last 5 shoes for 65k each if you still want ? but i do want bms so keep that in mind also. | [09:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman no rush, can all be in the same trade. | [09:24] |
| diana_coman: | cool | [09:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | thinking about it... obviously i don't actually need the last of the bottles until done with the first of the bottles :) | [09:26] |
| diana_coman: | heh, that sounds like reason | [09:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | so there's at least a week here. | [09:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | also i LOVE the fact that i can actually level tinkering. | [09:26] |
| diana_coman: | with the bottles you mean? or now with the dg run? | [09:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, in spite of the huge demands of tinkering volume i need for a skill, nevertheless it doesn't also you know, bring q up like it used to ? | [09:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | remember historically if yo ugot high enough it actually moved ~as fast as you. | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | ah, yes | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | true | [09:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | but as the game economy grew... so grew the "skill aperture" so to speak. which is lovely. | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | does it still? I think I kept asking you about this and you said no? | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [09:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | well it would if i were high enough, i'm sure. but seems i am not yet. | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | ftr 7 levels up in gung-ho + 4 in tink and ...same q on cooking, lol | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | ouch. | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | curious when i get 155 | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | I am collecting the data anyway, but it makes for painful reading, lol | [09:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | been spending some real ecu on this levelling business. | [09:29] |
| diana_coman: | ah, I should better collect that data too if I am at it, huh | [09:29] |
| diana_coman: | ie money/level | [09:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah. | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | i tell you... lvl towards 800 is like .3mn each | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | wow | [09:30] |
| diana_coman: | then again 800 level is huge | [09:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... q 154 | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | prolly in the future one dies 10 times before getting there , lol | [09:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, the idea for "expected lifespan" is 100 game years ~100 weeks. | [09:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | we've not been playing for two years yet, and for that matter in the future prolly more intensive ways to skill will be available anyway. | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | well, the books at least, for sure | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [09:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | no i just mean... i plan to make it possible for you to start your own fucking factory eventually. | [09:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | and hire helpers and whatnot. | [09:32] |
| diana_coman: | ha, that'd be cool | [09:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | but in simpler terms : think mining. pre stick and post stick, not hte same. | [09:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | now what if in the future the market is large enough you can all-stick ? also not ther same | [09:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | that kinda thing | [09:32] |
| diana_coman: | true | [09:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i think even without magic, and even without skill orbs and chips and books and everything, "a few thousand" is not inconceivable. | [09:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | just how many is a few though... remains to be seen i guess. | [09:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | but surely having your name on "top tinkerer all time" won't be an idle honor. | [09:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | also as a point of policy, since we're talking about this : i intend that after bitcoin crosses 1k again, once it looks stable-ly there, to devalue ECU/bitcoin such that each btc buys 10mn ecu instead of 1. as part of this, everyone will receive a sum of cash equal to 9x the sum of their cash and the q-adjusted market-value of all things they own. so in this sense, both training and keeping above-mkt value items constitutes a | [09:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | risk, which players should evaluate. it is obviously no different from the risk eulora or s.mg close down. | [09:40] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [09:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | more significant is perhaps than the risk the game gets somehow hacked / owned , if that sends inflation out of control. | [09:42] |
| diana_coman: | talking of training costs: I just paid ~150k for a gathering level around 450 | [09:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | but anyway, not avoidable, i don't think, lest bitcoin ends up you know, 1mn dollars and then wtf we do, can't play anymore ? | [09:42] |
| jurov: | wat? btc buys 100mn ecu atm | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov sorry, 1bn instead of 100mn i mean. | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | was thinking bitcents for some reason. | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i'm willing to sell at auction 55 WM q 199. these are, as of currently, irreplaceable. | [10:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | taking bids, starting with... hm. 100k. will sell them by sunday, so make your offers before that. | [10:19] |
| jurov: | imo ECU is pretty much devalued already. not even 10 coppers have any meaningful value | [10:22] |
| jurov: | and with 100 coppers you can maybe think about byuing some lbon, nothing else | [10:24] |
| jurov: | after 10:1 exchange we can abolish them altogether | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | you think this be a bad idea ? | [10:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | costs stack up, for instance right now, a screen (introductory tool for bouquinism) runs one 1.3mn. that's a decent chunk of change for a game, neh ? | [10:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | if a house's 1bn and a castle 25 trn ? what then ? | [10:32] |
| jurov: | just thinking aloud, is it really necessary to think in millions per one tool? | [10:33] |
| jurov: | while having 4 types of coins of which one is completely useless | [10:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's not completely useless tho. it's there so you can add and calculate things properyl. | [10:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes nobody buys 1 cft. but whether cft q 5 is 3 or 4 lbn makes a difference. | [10:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 or 4 ecu i mean | [10:38] |
| jurov: | and i don't readily see how to fix it. maybe sliding all base values by 10 would in fact achieve the same end. but it may be complicated, and what about quality, etc. | [10:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | so the last two digits being there mostly for accounting purposes is ok in my eyes. | [10:39] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, 100k for the wm | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | 100k heard from diana_coman | [10:41] |
| diana_coman: | I agree that coppers don't bring you much, but not sure I'd want everything sliding by 10 esp since values of bps for instance are 10\% which can mean some coppers in some cases - ofc one doesn't buy 1 bp, but then there has to be some way to take it into account | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov also consider how things stack. that tool that goes for 1.3mn has a composition. it's made of scaffolding and grubsilk thread. the composition goes all the way down to base units most of which are worth a few dozen coppers each. | [10:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | it makes a difference that flotsam is 88 whereas rotten fruit just 80. this is at quality 100, which means the actual value per q point is ~.8 coppers, and the differential between the two 0.08 coppers. | [10:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | now, all these values are perhaps things you "don't care about", but they're defined by the game and thus must be accounted for somewhere. | [10:49] |
| jurov: | i don't really have a strong opinion. | [10:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah but i appreciate the discussion. | [10:51] |
| jurov: | it maybe stems from insistence to precisely count tiny items that would be irl counted by kilogram or liter | [10:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | also worth considering is - suppose salaries become somehow a thing. if they be paid by the second, for the sake of argument, then paying 1 ecu/s would result in 2.5mn monthly payment for someone who mostly runs it all through. if the copper coin weren't there, the employer would be forced to use 25mn increments per month ? | [10:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov well yeah but irl benefits from a built-in quantum coprocessor that saves you from having to solve the phi-function. | [10:52] |
| jurov: | ^ same thing, if you think you need to pay by second instead of minute/hour | [10:52] |
| diana_coman: | I would add that in game seconds really count (with the bot) | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | guess so. | [10:53] |
| diana_coman: | while irl I'm not so sure they count the same | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems a second is a reasonable time unit, but hey. | [10:53] |
| diana_coman: | in the end it might stem from the fact that 1 year = 1 week | [10:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | irl nobody sells grain by the GRAIN COUNT | [10:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | but this mostly because they can't, i guess. and the reason they can't is obviously that reality doesn't db. | [10:54] |
| diana_coman: | <mircea_popescu> seems a second is a reasonable time unit, but hey. <- I suppose at some point one can argue the other way around that hey, bot precision is milliseconds and if you run the bot all day and night that DOES make a difference in end output | [10:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess so. | [10:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | crazy complex fucking built tree, thinking about it. | [10:56] |
| jurov: | okay. and on the other end of scale issue with input multiplications is that you add just 2-3 more levels of eulora technology usual way and the amount will go to like, 10^15 coppers per unit | [10:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | rotten fruit actually gets used in worn screens. rf -> dg -> ltf -> acg -> gt -> wos. | [10:56] |
| jurov: | i'm looking forward to how is the game to solve this | [10:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | how do you mean ? | [10:57] |
| jurov: | say there will be harvester that will need 999 chetty sticks | [10:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh | [10:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe. i can see it in the end having single items with base values in the trillions. | [10:58] |
| diana_coman: | esp the space shuttle to the moon :p | [10:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | it all comes from the dedication to "no limits". | [10:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | level till you drop. skill till your fingers bleed. you want to discover the ultimate sword ? ha. | [10:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | have this hammer. | [10:58] |
| diana_coman: | there is something there as to what do you do if you end up with that item at q 600 or whatever | [10:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, you sell it to electron ? | [10:59] |
| jurov: | if electron would pay anything for stuff below base quality | [10:59] |
| diana_coman: | no, I mean re representation with available coins and this potential trouble | [10:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. my bitcent coins atm spell out "1k" | [11:00] |
| diana_coman: | that's a current bug only jurov | [11:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | there is no trouble. | [11:00] |
| diana_coman: | ah | [11:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov ironically, that was going to be fixed THE NEXT DAY | [11:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | then chet got sick. and then... | [11:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's still getting fixed. errant bullshit. | [11:00] |
| diana_coman: | I remember I got some weird thing when getting the money from grundin - it did not fit in the window | [11:00] |
| jurov: | i see... | [11:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | it was just an errror in the daily build, which daily build became a forever build ;/ | [11:01] |
| diana_coman: | unrelated: 235 digs with a hoe -> 288 cr ffs | [11:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | ouch. | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | picking up one rock at a time almost | [11:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q ? | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, trouble is in ALL this loads of exploring I did, I basically got only about 2-3 times something that was not pretty much in those terms | [11:02] |
| diana_coman: | 176q | [11:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... 73 * 1.76 = 128. if my "3x base" formula holds you're actually turning a profit. | [11:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | 50ish or so for the lbn, 150 for the hoe, still under 380 | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, lbn but cft? | [11:06] |
| diana_coman: | and for that matter ...380? | [11:07] |
| diana_coman: | 73*1.76*1.25 = 160 | [11:08] |
| diana_coman: | 50 for lbn + 150 for hoe = 200 | [11:08] |
| diana_coman: | so not sure how profit? | [11:08] |
| diana_coman: | (I'm not even going into the part of profit/hour or something) | [11:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman the way i mine myself is by the rule that if a "base run" (ie, the lowest output) makes up 1/3 of my cost im happy. | [11:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | fro mwhat i've seen i get back enough in the big hits to make up for it. | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | trouble is I did more mining than you (don't you think?) but I got basically 1 pop on the wpl and ....that's it. only if I go back in the very beginning I guess I might have gotten there another few pops | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | so I just don't see what you are saying as a general rule; it might work for you, but I don't see it working for me | [11:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | hmmm | [11:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | but... how many ordinaries you got ? remarkables ? | [11:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think remarkable is instapop isn't it ? | [11:13] |
| diana_coman: | let me see: in total from the very beginning - 9 remarkables | [11:15] |
| diana_coman: | out of curiosity do you have fewer than that? | [11:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have 6 | [11:16] |
| diana_coman: | hm, would be curious danielpbarron mind telling how many remarkables you have intotal? | [11:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | and my gathering is 370 lol | [11:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i'd say you're ahead for the count ? | [11:17] |
| diana_coman: | ahead for the count on remarkables as 9 to 6 you mean | [11:17] |
| diana_coman: | it would seem so | [11:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | well 450/370 * 6 = 7.3 | [11:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | fwtw | [11:18] |
| diana_coman: | ah; not sure how much that formula is worth | [11:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty sure that getting from 370 to 450 is less than half the trouble to getting to 370 | [11:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | tho... | [11:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe not | [11:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | how was it ? | [11:19] |
| diana_coman: | ordinaries I'd need to add from logs maybe as obv I built quite a few | [11:19] |
| diana_coman: | mhm, there was some area that was easy but I think maybe close to 400-420 or so | [11:19] |
| diana_coman: | and then it got again hard | [11:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course... four of my remarkables are basic, while two are forestry. and i would say i did easily 10x more basics than i did lumberjacking. | [11:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually... no, tpt and sm. one's ... MINING even. which i almost never did do. | [11:21] |
| diana_coman: | well, weirdly enough I do NOT have any grocery remarkable | [11:21] |
| diana_coman: | 6 basics, 2 mining and 1 lj | [11:22] |
| diana_coman: | for the lolz | [11:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. | [11:22] |
| diana_coman: | oh mircea_popescu I have the 15 molluscs + 7tlc + 14sg I owed you for the screens, let me know when you want them | [11:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | now works | [11:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you also want the last one ? | [11:33] |
| diana_coman: | then I should better go and get another 15 molluscs, lol | [11:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | entirely up to you. | [11:33] |
| diana_coman: | if ok, I'd rather settle now with the molluscs and stuff as it might take a while to get the rest | [11:38] |
| diana_coman: | ftr it was 1 cs miss, then 1 mollusc/stick small then 1 bloody ordinary which takes 2 (TWO) slithy tove | [11:38] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, trade? | [11:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | yep | [11:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty | [11:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2st is pretty bad, 25k or what ? 30 ? | [11:39] |
| diana_coman: | kind of 30k | [12:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | so in the end more like what, 280k total ? 300 ? | [12:44] |
| danielpbarron: | bids 105k for the shrooms | [13:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | 105k heard for 55 WM q 199 | [14:10] |
| jurov: | so i turned hoes + cft bought for 6M into...maybe 3.5M worth of sm and bbb. double yay | [14:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q ? | [14:31] |
| jurov: | since there are no sunday events, i'm going to sell it here, 24hour auction: | [14:32] |
| jurov: | 1. 17121 spicy moss q 55: price 2.81M | [14:32] |
| jurov: | 2. 2945 gitterbeans q 58: price 615k | [14:33] |
| jurov: | any offers? | [14:33] |
| jurov: | *bitterbeans | [14:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2.82 on the sm actually. gitterbeans lol. 625k on the bbb. | [14:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you have mining skill ? or farming ? | [14:34] |
| jurov: | 2.82 on sm heard, 625k on the bbb package so far, you can auction each separately if you want | [14:35] |
| jurov: | mircea_popescu: neither | [14:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe has something to do with it. | [14:35] |
| jurov: | well i have sortage but explicitly avoided that stuff, as i get ~q 100 on it and corresponding lower count | [14:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | try one thing if you're curious : throw a few chetty sticks, see if you get smalls or ordinaries. | [14:36] |
| jurov: | we tried with korgan, only ordinaries | [14:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [14:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | god i can't fucking wait to mine already. | [14:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | o wait, is this the cft you paid like 200\% on ? | [14:38] |
| jurov: | yes, and the hoes likewise | [14:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | welll.... | [14:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | so you actually would have made 20\% profit, if you bought the supplies at 100\% ? | [14:39] |
| jurov: | if anyone sold them at such price | [14:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | tell you what, if you undertake a chunk of shaped slag manufacturing, i'm willing to sell you back the produced tools at 125\%. | [14:40] |
| jurov: | okay | [14:40] |
| jurov: | and if you remember i was lucky and got 7k sm extra. otherwise it would be dismal. | [14:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. | [14:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | well this is kinda how it works out, if large finds don't save you, you're fucked. | [14:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, the issue with mining is iffy - these things you dug up are in the 200ish base value range. i imagine you miss a lot more than you miss stuff like grass or such. then again, as you say, higher q lower count. | [14:43] |
| jurov: | if i mine grass at q ~100 that'd be outright bad, so i went for rarer stuff | [14:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | that all depends. you now have ~1.7mn worth of stuff which sells for ~3.45 mn. had you got 3mn worth of grass even at q 100 it'd have sold for 3.75mn, ie better off. | [14:49] |
| jurov: | oh, how much for 34 sortage stones? foxy said maybe upgrading my sortage to 100 would move me closer into quality miner category | [14:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | what sortage stones ? | [14:49] |
| jurov: | the item that gains a level in sortage, how much do you sell them for? | [14:50] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, if you tinker stuff, your sortage increases too | [14:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | uh. i think i can write books, but i don't recall right off what i ask for them | [14:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you mean the non-book item, i would imagine you're much better off selling it to sacrificers. | [14:50] |
| jurov: | diana_coman: iirc not very much doing slag | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | so do ltf | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | or cc | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | cordage | [14:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | uh. shaped slag is ~8k. lft is ~4k. should be 2x | [14:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | isn't it 2x ? | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | I think he meant basic slag, no? | [14:51] |
| jurov: | i dunno | [14:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh. maybe. but i was talking shaped. | [14:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah plain slag is only 1/7 ltf or so. | [14:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | 1/6* | [14:52] |
| jurov: | i'll make the shaped stuff in any case, tell me when ready | [14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | prolly some point during weekend. | [14:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | how many digs would you say you missed jurov ? 1 in 3 ? 50-50 ? 2 in 3 ? | [14:56] |
| jurov: | more like 2 in 3 | [14:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | then i would definitely give basics a try. | [14:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you miss half as much, the above described scenario is quite possible. | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | try something cheaper , you know, boulders, grass, sb. | [14:57] |
| jurov: | with grass it was obvious the output is less than input | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh it was ? | [14:57] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, mircea's theory is that you just need to hold on long enough until it pops and overall gets you back in the green | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | and according to same theory, if you make 1/3 of the cost on a bad run | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | than you are still good to go overall | [14:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, i'm also curious what his results are like. | [14:58] |
| diana_coman: | only if you make less than that you are truly in trouble | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | re that theory : i dun know anyone with q < 100 ever seriously tested it. | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | it worked fine for me, but i measured between q 300 and 250ish. you disagreed, for all i know it doesn't even hold at 150 | [14:59] |
| diana_coman: | well, since they tend to get ordinaries only kind of hard | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | but mining grass has been maybe my best paying thing so far. | [15:00] |
| jurov: | still a hoe left, will do a run on grass | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think i dug up ~200k of the stuff, and i'm about 30-40\% over par on it altogether. | [15:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | by comparison stuff like digging up snails... well... more like -5\% i'd say. of course now i have a ton of snails. | [15:01] |
| diana_coman: | -5\% is not even that bad | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | maybe in my case it's the mapping thing that messes up entirely; MAYBE | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | the ever optimist for some unknown reason | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | the only thing i lost massively on was wm. | [15:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | heck, watch rare q 200 stuff not even sell 125\% o.O | [15:02] |
| diana_coman: | what? | [15:03] |
| diana_coman: | not to remind you that you bought that wpl at 125\% in a kind of "auction" where nobody wanted it for some reason | [15:03] |
| diana_coman: | wpl at 195 | [15:03] |
| diana_coman: | 195q | [15:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeh. these auctions! | [15:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | but still, wm is closer to md than to wpl | [15:04] |
| diana_coman: | has the feeling she missed something in the logs; brb | [15:05] |
| diana_coman: | aha, lol; mircea_popescu 115k for the wm | [15:06] |
| jurov: | soo..10 cdg smalls fo far, ate 70 cft q 111, guess how much cdg q 105 out? | [15:08] |
| jurov: | 98. Fukcing Ninety Eight. | [15:09] |
| jurov: | with sm/bbb when i found a claim, i did get at least something resembling input value | [15:11] |
| jurov: | not so with cdg | [15:11] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, I guess it depends if you buy the idea of "gotta do some 10 days mining for a huge pop that will get me into positive" or not | [15:12] |
| jurov: | as you can see obviously not | [15:13] |
| jurov: | at least not with such poor baseline | [15:14] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu ill buy the clogs | [15:16] |
| jurov: | hi Birdman I'm auctioning sm and bbb, see logs | [15:17] |
| diana_coman: | what tool did you use jurov ? | [15:18] |
| jurov: | imp hoe. but i excluded it from this cdg computation | [15:18] |
| Birdman: | are you jurov? | [15:18] |
| diana_coman: | ouch | [15:18] |
| jurov: | Birdman: yes | [15:19] |
| danielpbarron: | bids 121k on the shrooms | [15:19] |
| Birdman: | well how much and what q? | [15:19] |
| diana_coman: | 125k for the wm | [15:19] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, I wonder whether you'd get any different on my claims, hmm | [15:20] |
| danielpbarron: | 132k for the wm | [15:20] |
| Birdman: | re bms i think i need certain ingreds for those that i dont have, not to mention tool kits which my main focus is using to get shredding bps | [15:20] |
| jurov: | Birdman: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-01-14.log.html#t19:32:09 | [15:21] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Thursday, 2016-01-14 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [15:21] |
| diana_coman: | 136k on the wm | [15:21] |
| danielpbarron: | 143k | [15:24] |
| Birdman: | ah sorry, i skipped that chunk of log somehow | [15:24] |
| Birdman: | I'm all set on those, having stock of high q for both right now | [15:24] |
| diana_coman: | I'm out | [15:24] |
| Birdman: | if you're trying to make money mining just do the grass man, decent output and your hit rate should be near 80\% for smalls on grass | [15:25] |
| Birdman: | not to mention you're making q55, so if you have tinkering higher than that you can make your own cft and over craft your own claims | [15:25] |
| Birdman: | might not be the fastest, but undoubtedly the cheapest way | [15:25] |
| jurov: | Birdman I DO NOT GET DECENT OUTPUT ON GRASS | [15:26] |
| jurov: | just read the logs | [15:26] |
| Birdman: | I mean relatively. | [15:26] |
| jurov: | even relatively | [15:26] |
| Birdman: | you will get more from grass than most any rare resources | [15:26] |
| jurov: | nope | [15:26] |
| jurov: | it's a wate of cft | [15:26] |
| jurov: | *waste | [15:27] |
| jurov: | i'm better off reselling cft directly | [15:27] |
| Birdman: | So you get the same amount of the grass worth 70 base value that you do for sm at ~150 or whatever it is | [15:27] |
| danielpbarron: | it is a waste | [15:27] |
| jurov: | and i don't get q 55 grass, either, but 105 | [15:27] |
| Birdman: | while people are buying qi items you probably shouldnt have sortage unless you're trying to be top tier with it | [15:28] |
| Birdman: | otherwise you're just killing your output for reason | [15:28] |
| Birdman: | no reason* building might not be the best thing for you | [15:28] |
| danielpbarron: | too late for him on that one | [15:28] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [15:28] |
| danielpbarron: | might as well rank it up | [15:28] |
| jurov: | so i mined something where sortage did not apply instead | [15:28] |
| danielpbarron: | that's not a good plan | [15:29] |
| Birdman: | where does it not apply? | [15:29] |
| jurov: | and i'm waiting on mircea_popescu's say on sortage books, he lists them for 100k | [15:29] |
| jurov: | Birdman: on groceries and mining | [15:30] |
| diana_coman: | and on lumberjack for that matter | [15:31] |
| jurov: | eh you all, nothing is a good plan, don't do this, don't do that | [15:31] |
| Birdman: | oh so sortage is to basics as lj is to lumber etc | [15:31] |
| Birdman: | you aren't alone | [15:31] |
| Birdman: | i screwed myself out of insane profits too by lveling building | [15:31] |
| danielpbarron: | if you get ordinaries every time with sticks i may have work for you | [15:32] |
| Birdman: | with only getting ords i could have been my own noob miner and making tons | [15:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov i can prolly make some yes. | [15:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | you in a hurry ? | [15:34] |
| jurov: | no | [15:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have 3 made, and can have more in a week. how many would oyu like ? | [15:36] |
| Birdman: | i would buy bouq skill books up to 100, seems to be the cheaper way to level | [15:39] |
| jurov: | 36 :) | [15:39] |
| jurov: | no 26, fu i can't count | [15:41] |
| jurov: | 26 sortage books | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok tell you waht, when i give you materials fore shaped slags ima also have 26 books for you. that work ? | [15:44] |
| jurov: | yep | [15:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | these are dismal scribblings, you understand ? | [15:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | Birdman how many is that ? | [15:45] |
| jurov: | yes only to level 100. any other limitation? | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, what's your building level? | [15:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | not that i know of jurov | [15:45] |
| jurov: | building 116 | [15:45] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I don't know how much exactly is that holding you back too | [15:46] |
| diana_coman: | so you get 55 on spicy moss and the like, right? | [15:46] |
| jurov: | recently it went to 60 | [15:47] |
| diana_coman: | aha. so 60 due to building rank only and then 105 on basics due to some 74 sortage rank | [15:47] |
| jurov: | yes | [15:47] |
| diana_coman: | so you'd expect to get about 125-130 on basics if you get sortage to 100? | [15:48] |
| jurov: | no, ~120 | [15:48] |
| jurov: | just a guess | [15:48] |
| diana_coman: | sounds more likely | [15:48] |
| diana_coman: | at 120q it should give some decent overcraft for someone with low tink level | [15:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, if he also crafts the slags he might pump it even higher. | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | true | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | and maybe i get sortage to 400 by then | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | well what, I have building at 400 for ages :p | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | god knows i'm trying. | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | plus the rastrums still work out at some huge price | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah there is that huh. | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe there should be a s.mg auction of a bunch of rastrums. | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, so that lapidary is truly and finally useless | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | tho not terribly fair yeah. | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | strike that idea. | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | honestly... there was a pile of artwork on the cusp of being imported, and all sorts of stuff including early jewelry to be added and such. was supposed to be a pre-xmas update, in our plans. | [15:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima have to fix this somehow. | [15:52] |
| diana_coman: | I'm quite useless with the graphics/artwork part but I'd gladly help if I can | [15:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, it was all made, just the getting it lined up in the game. | [15:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | including a pretty cool enemy guy and all sorts of things, thousands of various models etc. | [15:55] |
| Birdman: | mircea_popescu 37 | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can prolly make you 37, yeah. ima want them paid upfront tho. | [16:00] |
| Birdman: | yes of course | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite, at your leisure. | [16:01] |
| Birdman: | I'm not one to incurr debt normally | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima book a bookbaking session after this dg and before i start on io | [16:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | i mean upfront ie, before i start making them. they pretty much will wipe out my remaining samovars. | [16:01] |
| Birdman: | ah, still no problem | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | curious now if sortage actually counts also for tinkering q because (?) it gets increased by tinkering | [16:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman all this book buying will offer some interesting datapoints as a byproduct. | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | then it would follow that somehow farming also counts for basics because it gets increased by...building? | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | weird | [16:03] |
| diana_coman: | well, if any data is made public there | [16:04] |
| Birdman: | anyone interested in q140 cft? | [16:12] |
| Birdman: | have a stack i'm willing to let go for 3.5mn | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure, how much ? | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | stack = 9999 ? | [16:13] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd pay 3.15 on it. | [16:13] |
| Birdman: | i'll think it over | [16:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | mebbe jurov has 7mn loose :D | [16:15] |
| Birdman: | im in the market for any shaped slags also, preferably high q | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | you got them 3.7mn for teh books ? | [16:15] |
| Birdman: | Trying to monetize some stuff as we speak | [16:15] |
| Birdman: | might be a bit before i can get it together | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | aok | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | ironically, i'm not actually crafting as fast as orders come in o.O | [16:17] |
| diana_coman: | lol, taking preorders? | [16:17] |
| Birdman: | to be expected being the best in a line | [16:17] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, I thought that is the thing really: normally it shouldn't be that one crafter (or builder for that matter) is enough | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | well this one's iffy cuz if i boil the brews/pulp to make 36 more books ima be without samovars. | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman yeah. but for a long while ... it was. | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | part of what's going on is that for a long time keeping stocks in the 100s seemed good enough for me. but now i'm kicking myself for not having made stocks in the 10s of k's back when i had q 200 | [16:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | and so im making them now. | [16:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | which... takes a while lol. kinda curious how long this 20k dg will hold me, for instance. | [16:20] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [16:21] |
| Birdman: | woo i can storage while crafting.. sometimes | [16:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | judging by how 20k cft went practically in a day tho... | [16:22] |
| diana_coman: | I think I'll take some more dg too for that matter, lol | [16:22] |
| diana_coman: | but it can wait, no rush | [16:23] |
| Birdman: | So why is the mcreed kilt a pun? | [16:27] |
| Birdman: | Hello Swerg are you a new player? | [16:50] |
| Swerg: | Hello, yes | [16:50] |
| diana_coman: | hello Swerg, welcome | [16:51] |
| Birdman: | Ah welcome aboard | [16:51] |
| Swerg: | thanks | [16:51] |
| diana_coman: | do you have an account already? | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, how did you find it ? | [16:51] |
| Swerg: | no account yet. I don't remember how I found you. I'm a player of Entropia. | [16:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah cool. | [16:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | so get yourself in the wot and ima make you an account. | [16:55] |
| Birdman: | danielpbarron do you have extra pss small enums or wwb? | [16:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | Swerg do you know how to do that ? | [17:00] |
| danielpbarron: | extra smalls? not really | [17:01] |
| Birdman: | it is incredibly hard to find them on pss | [17:01] |
| Birdman: | and i have so many wwb tinies it will be a crazy project to get the smalls i need | [17:01] |
| Birdman: | some 500 wwb smalls needed | [17:02] |
| diana_coman: | do you get only smalls on wwb too, Birdman ? | [17:02] |
| Birdman: | yeah | [17:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then ? | [17:02] |
| diana_coman: | ^^ | [17:03] |
| Birdman: | hit rates aren't too great | [17:03] |
| Birdman: | and im doing this all manually guys | [17:03] |
| diana_coman: | well...why? lol | [17:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | amconfused. | [17:03] |
| diana_coman: | he doesn't use the bot, nor some macro for some reason | [17:03] |
| Swerg: | no... | [17:04] |
| Birdman: | How do i use the bot? | [17:04] |
| danielpbarron: | you don't have the bot! | [17:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | Swerg http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets << see the part about registering for the wot. | [17:05] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] (at wiki.bitcoin-assets.com) | [17:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | you'll need a pgp signature. | [17:05] |
| Birdman: | That was my impression too | [17:06] |
| Birdman: | and for that matter the macro doesnt work well with keyboard comands | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | so download it. | [17:08] |
| diana_coman: | ahhh, he's on windows | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, using binary ? | [17:09] |
| Birdman: | yes | [17:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah then you can't quite use it. | [17:09] |
| diana_coman: | I guess jurov will make some new release at some point including the bot too | [17:10] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, is that the wot-effect ? | [17:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [17:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | you suppose it was something like "fuck this crazy shit" ? | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | possible. | [17:14] |
| Birdman: | Was he not in -assets before this? | [17:14] |
| diana_coman: | for the time being it quite looks like that to me; I wouldn't mind at all being wrong on this though | [17:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | not afaik | [17:15] |
| Birdman: | ah finally done with the ltf | [17:23] |
| Birdman: | think im just gonna sell these as is and start making ppb | [17:23] |
| danielpbarron: | i will buy | [17:26] |
| Birdman: | yes but will you buy at near or over bv @ 100q? | [17:26] |
| Birdman: | Also you should make me a fast order of sharp slags say 50 of them so i can go noob mine some sb ords | [17:27] |
| danielpbarron: | i have that many ready | [17:27] |
| Birdman: | really now, how many do you have i can buy | [17:28] |
| danielpbarron: | ah whoops, the are low q | [17:28] |
| Birdman: | diana_coman i have 254 cs at 216q | [17:29] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah i would also like high q shaped slags; been asking for that one for a while now | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | kk Birdman, give me 2 min to finish craft | [17:29] |
| Birdman: | no problem, danielpbarron make me some seeing as your tinker q is high enough for me? | [17:29] |
| danielpbarron: | i don't want to make those unless i have low q slag and oil | [17:30] |
| danielpbarron: | unless you want to pay close to 2x | [17:30] |
| Birdman: | i guess i could swing close to 200\% | [17:31] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, trade me | [17:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [17:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | i got 4 sharp slags q 202 you can have for that much ? :D | [17:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | i was saving them for a weddingt or something. | [17:32] |
| Birdman: | well what is close to 200\% danielpbarron | [17:32] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, accept | [17:33] |
| Birdman: | ty | [17:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | if only i had the fucking sense to make 5k of em ;/ | [17:33] |
| diana_coman: | np, thanks | [17:33] |
| diana_coman: | 50k mircea_popescu | [17:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | ? | [17:34] |
| diana_coman: | to make 50k, not only 5k | [17:34] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [17:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. yeah. | [17:34] |
| Birdman: | Thinking making ppb is the best use of my tinkering right now seeing as ill sell for ~95\% bv and i can get a noob to spit out thousands from an ord | [17:37] |
| Birdman: | i had gotten 12k from one myself at q23, at q7 who knows | [17:37] |
| Birdman: | Also interestingly enough, a bunch of my lotus ords are still there and locked... | [17:38] |
| diana_coman: | did you give them to wyrd? | [17:39] |
| Birdman: | yeah and i thought he gave me results days ago | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | he used to lock the ords back as he didn't know that they are single-use | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | so prolly he used them but still locked them up afterwards | [17:39] |
| Birdman: | who knows, by the math i could do without being present it seemed the numbers matched up | [17:39] |
| Birdman: | i dont suspect they aren't built | [17:39] |
| Birdman: | the tiny bbb enum i dropped there a week or so ago is still there | [17:42] |
| danielpbarron: | they are mine | [17:44] |
| danielpbarron: | i need high q beetles | [17:44] |
| Birdman: | what the enum next to the lh? i thought i dropped that | [17:44] |
| Birdman: | has many beetle ords | [17:45] |
| danielpbarron: | the lh ords are mine | [17:47] |
| Birdman: | says i made them | [17:47] |
| Birdman: | and i dont recall selling you any | [17:47] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, I can let go of 50 md at 117q for 3k each | [17:49] |
| jurov: | Birdman i do have windows binary with bot, want to test it? | [17:49] |
| Birdman: | Yes | [17:50] |
| jurov: | ok, mmnt | [17:50] |
| jurov: | sha512: 2c029ed7f62d6c8d95f5448b3db515d17991d5f85c34a9aaf4aa61e9325aa3e2334457fea1b1093b14b27f1f7b3c088470b3c8e5ad511c69e8f489b924e59fa2 | [17:57] |
| jurov: | http://minigame.bz/jurov/psclient_0_1_1_foxybot_1_3.exe | [17:57] |
| jurov: | it's vanilla foxybot with my little "improvement" that if it gets overweight while exploring, it /drops everything mined so far and goes on | [17:59] |
| jurov: | replace psclient.exe with this | [17:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | isn't that dangerous ? | [17:59] |
| jurov: | yes, but it must be checked every half hour anyway | [18:00] |
| diana_coman: | I was experimenting a bit with putting things in a claim and locking it rather, but got sidetracked, I guess it would make a good addition to next release | [18:00] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, why check every half hour? | [18:00] |
| jurov: | for training and like | [18:00] |
| diana_coman: | ahh | [18:00] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, i'll take em | [18:00] |
| jurov: | i mean user must look at it | [18:00] |
| diana_coman: | kk danielpbarron , 3 minutes to finish craft | [18:00] |
| danielpbarron: | lol jurov wtf | [18:01] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, I leave it over night so ~ 8 hours | [18:01] |
| danielpbarron: | your fix is to drop everything?? | [18:01] |
| diana_coman: | but I suppose it takes ages for me to level now | [18:01] |
| danielpbarron: | it could at least put the overweight stuff in the latest claim and lock it | [18:01] |
| danielpbarron: | shesh | [18:01] |
| jurov: | diana_coman: it's not for you | [18:01] |
| jurov: | :D | [18:01] |
| Birdman: | ill just not over cragy | [18:01] |
| Birdman: | craft* | [18:01] |
| diana_coman: | heh jurov , no, I meant re "it has to be checked every half hour" | [18:02] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman> danielpbarron, I can let go of 50 md at 117q for 3k each << sold. | [18:02] |
| diana_coman: | kk danielpbarron , just wait 2 minutes to finish this craft, got that | [18:02] |
| jurov: | Birdman: also, mining existing claims is not implemented | [18:03] |
| jurov: | diana_coman: and I also stash keys, another reason to check often | [18:04] |
| diana_coman: | ahhh, that would be indeed | [18:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | if only i needed to train every half hour. | [18:05] |
| jurov: | me not anymore, it's several hours already, but i prefer to oversee it anyway, it has problems if CPU is too busy, network lag, etc. | [18:07] |
| Birdman: | after replacing says it cant run because crystalspace-2.1-vc10.dll is missing | [18:07] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, trade | [18:07] |
| jurov: | Birdman: do you run it with the .bat? | [18:08] |
| jurov: | it won't run directly | [18:08] |
| Birdman: | duh, no | [18:08] |
| diana_coman: | enjoy your beetles danielpbarron | [18:09] |
| danielpbarron: | thanks | [18:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | i read "beatles" | [18:09] |
| Birdman: | cool, so is there any instructions that come with the bot? | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | ahaha, dung beatles | [18:09] |
| jurov: | Birdman: just run /bot | [18:10] |
| jurov: | for help | [18:10] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, http://www.dianacoman.com/foxybots-eulora/ | [18:10] |
| diana_coman: | but for that matter, there is even a help entry for it, if only read, lol | [18:11] |
| Birdman: | Foxy's bot NOT foudn! Widget loading error perhaps? | [18:11] |
| diana_coman: | that sounds like the xml is botched or something | [18:12] |
| diana_coman: | Birdman, do you have on screen a new window with title Foxy's Bot? | [18:12] |
| Birdman: | No | [18:12] |
| diana_coman: | aha. so widget loading error indeed | [18:13] |
| jurov: | oh i should upload everything | [18:13] |
| jurov: | Birdman sorry either you follow foxy's instructions to update files or wait till i release it properly (not today) | [18:15] |
| Birdman: | No problem | [18:16] |
| Birdman: | I suppose i'd buy sharp slags at 185\% | [18:44] |
| Birdman: | also, mircea_popescu have you noticed any changes in tinker q as i've been leveling up? | [18:45] |
| danielpbarron: | how many? | [18:52] |
| Birdman: | at the least 12 | [18:52] |
| Birdman: | but i'd like more to over craft some tools | [18:53] |
| Birdman: | 200 would do me well | [18:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | can't say as i hjave | [19:40] |
| diana_coman: | is it me or is the server down? mircea_popescu | [19:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | meh | [19:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | who was colliding again ? | [19:47] |
| diana_coman: | colliding? | [19:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. | [19:48] |
| diana_coman: | right before the crash I noticed some weird stuff as in the bot failed to get the new tool in hand and then it moved a craft table to the claim somehow | [19:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | fucking a fucking wall already | [19:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | sigh | [19:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... it's back. | [19:54] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [19:55] |
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