| danielpbarron: | DianaComan, I'd like to buy 8 of your finest two leaf clovers | [07:39] |
| danielpbarron: | who has supplication of berries drafts? I'd like some of those as well | [07:43] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron 168q | [08:28] |
| danielpbarron: | ya | [09:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron you can buy the actual made sups. will have to talk to hanbot about price. | [09:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | thios, of course, once someone finallyt gets his ass in gear and gets me md. | [09:56] |
| DianaComan: | mircea_popescu I have 1617 sb at 181q - will you make them 21 ppb for me? I'll also need to corresponding 7 toothpaste | [10:27] |
| DianaComan: | danielpbarron you around? | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan in a minute, writing a guide for anarchists. | [10:28] |
| DianaComan: | ha, ok; oh, and I have 10k cft if you want it | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | yuppers. | [10:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan two fixes to the bot. 1 : can you make it stack the used tools ? like say, add them to any stack with durability left < 150 | [10:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | and 2 : seems jurov mining in same spot confuses it, doesn't know where to put the keys ? can you make it so it dumps ALL small and tiny keys when dumpoing keys, nmot justthe last 1 ? | [10:56] |
| DianaComan: | checking the durability is another message to the server, hence kind of a mess | [10:56] |
| DianaComan: | and the other one yuck | [10:56] |
| DianaComan: | that would mean going through the inventory AND sending a message to the server for EACH key found + getting the answer etc | [10:57] |
| DianaComan: | both are totally possible for sure | [10:57] |
| DianaComan: | esp the second one is kind of an overkill atm | [10:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yeah but eventually./ | [10:57] |
| DianaComan: | thing is: all of this is basically the mess caused by the current design of the client as a totally dumb terminal | [10:58] |
| DianaComan: | and not sure it's worth the huge headache of still using it as such, not quite decided yet on this | [10:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | aqh | [10:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah* | [10:58] |
| DianaComan: | the version you have now is indeed getting confused by someone else mining in vicinity because of the EID issue | [10:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh i should upgrade huh | [10:59] |
| DianaComan: | hopefully that is solved in the new version which I am currently *trying* to test (basically most of the testing of a new client version means disruption to any planned activity and getting behind on all sorts, sigh) | [10:59] |
| DianaComan: | I did not yet release it as I'd rather try at least to test it before release but... | [11:00] |
| DianaComan: | the plan is to release it this weekend | [11:00] |
| DianaComan: | it fixes the training on cooking, the issue with craft containers, hopefully this issue with miners in vicinity | [11:01] |
| DianaComan: | I'll think a bit about it maybe to add stacking of used tools as in putting them all in one single slot (so not on previous stack, but at least in just one new stack rather than in the next free slot) | [11:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | a sveet | [11:07] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu> danielpbarron you can buy the actual made sups. will have to talk to hanbot about price. << i want high q supplications | [11:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yeah. | [11:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan yeah, have a dedicated slot works | [11:13] |
| danielpbarron: | if there's low q supps floating around i'll buy those too i guess | [11:13] |
| danielpbarron: | i want both | [11:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan you around town to settle these deals ? | [13:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | incidentally, yet another place eulora shines as economic simulator : the separation between closing and settlement as well as its natural causes are all made so plain... | [13:13] |
| DianaComan: | mircea_popescu I'm in now | [14:47] |
| DianaComan: | uhm, for total added weirdness, now it seems that somehow I ended up finding bird's nests where previously I found berries??? | [14:52] |
| danielpbarron: | hey i found bird's nest in a strange spot today as well | [15:13] |
| danielpbarron: | in my snail spot | [15:13] |
| DianaComan: | ugh, invasion of bird's nest then - I was more afraid that now the item found depends not only on location but ALSO on skill or something | [15:22] |
| DianaComan: | as in: relative skill | [15:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan and nao ? | [17:02] |
| DianaComan: | can come | [17:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | alrighty let's meet. | [17:03] |
| DianaComan: | on my way | [17:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | you want more grass btw ? just got another 6k | [17:03] |
| DianaComan: | mhm, what q? | [17:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | 235 now | [17:04] |
| DianaComan: | uhm, guess not for now - even 240 doesn't seem to do a lot so far and I still have some to go through | [17:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | storing it. | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw, you never said, you wanted to do a SO run ? | [17:08] |
| DianaComan: | grass: 4500Ã\u00971.6Ã\u00971.25Ã\u0097180+5500Ã\u00971.61Ã\u00971.25Ã\u0097180 = 3612375 | [17:08] |
| DianaComan: | hm, is that mcguyver? | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | no it's cooking | [17:09] |
| DianaComan: | oh, that's cooking, isn't it? | [17:09] |
| DianaComan: | let me get those branches out and I'll have a look at it | [17:09] |
| DianaComan: | meanwhile I got more branches, 6006, is that ok? 6006Ã\u00971.25Ã\u00971.81Ã\u009757 = 774548 | [17:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [17:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | ill process them now. | [17:16] |
| DianaComan: | oh my so is milk, dulce and cheese, yikes | [17:17] |
| DianaComan: | what q do you have on those? | [17:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | 200ish | [17:17] |
| DianaComan: | I think I still get relatively high q on cooking, not sure it makes a lot of sense | [17:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | you realise that if i pay you 25\% you don't get the ppbs right ? | [17:17] |
| DianaComan: | uhm, so what's your deal for me getting the ppbs then? | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | (206 - 1.81) / 2 + 1.81 | [17:18] |
| DianaComan: | and the ppbs then you still apply 25\%? | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | i am burning my bps for this - very marginal - deal. basically i'm not even sure turning 181q into 206 q is worth the bp draw. | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | it might be a much better approach to have a noob process the ppbs, get the bps, then pay someone to make low ft and i'll make the sticks. | [17:21] |
| DianaComan: | it surely is | [17:21] |
| DianaComan: | I kept the sb until now | [17:21] |
| DianaComan: | I even offered a full package yest | [17:22] |
| DianaComan: | but nobody seems to want it... | [17:22] |
| DianaComan: | guess it will have to wait some more | [17:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | tho in fairness stick bps are also pretty expensiv | [17:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | DianaComan you're not willing to just sell it then ? | [17:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | ill pay you 25\% on it. | [17:22] |
| DianaComan: | but I want sticks, lol | [17:22] |
| DianaComan: | that's why I gathered it in the first place | [17:22] |
| DianaComan: | and if you then sell the sticks only for wm and moss | [17:23] |
| DianaComan: | .... | [17:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah ? | [17:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | economy! getting people to do other things than what they want to do, since 3000 bc. | [17:23] |
| DianaComan: | wm is something like 4 per stick what I get | [17:23] |
| DianaComan: | well, it's unconvincing so far for me, lol | [17:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's pretty awful | [17:24] |
| DianaComan: | exactly | [17:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm trying to recall what sticks sell for | [17:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | were they ever auctioned or anything ? | [17:24] |
| DianaComan: | hence why I do not mine the wms, hence why I don't see the point in selling the sb then | [17:24] |
| DianaComan: | what, wms? | [17:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | sticks. | [17:25] |
| DianaComan: | and even MORE: it's actually a bullshit deal for me to sell you the wms in such conditions: I'm much better off catching a noob to build my wm claims and then selling the wms separately | [17:26] |
| DianaComan: | yes, of course they have been auctioned, lol | [17:26] |
| DianaComan: | last time it was that split thing /private auction kind of stuff, but things change all the time really | [17:26] |
| DianaComan: | I think it settled at 27k at that time per stick iirc | [17:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suspect a stick bp is something like 5-10k, hard to price. | [17:27] |
| DianaComan: | thing is like this it starts being possibly better if I make the ppb already as I get *some* overcraft on it as it is, and then give that to a noob to make some sticks for bps + will mix them with mine etc | [17:29] |
| DianaComan: | in all those "better" things, the noobs are missing, of course | [17:29] |
| DianaComan: | well, for the moment though guess the pile of sb goes back to storage, sigh | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | aww k. | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | so what were we trading, cft and what ? | [17:30] |
| DianaComan: | cft; was there anything else? | [17:30] |
| DianaComan: | the initial plan was cft and sb; sb fell through; so doesn't sound ok because my cooking q is too high | [17:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk | [17:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | hit me | [17:31] |
| DianaComan: | 4500Ã\u00971.6Ã\u00971.25Ã\u0097180+5500Ã\u00971.61Ã\u00971.25Ã\u0097180 = 3612375 | [17:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | mmm. won't they mix ? | [17:33] |
| DianaComan: | then take that and will pass the other separately | [17:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | fuck im 20k short. | [17:33] |
| DianaComan: | bank? lolz | [17:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | alright | [17:34] |
| DianaComan: | you can bank while trading you know | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes bujt i cant store while trading | [17:35] |
| DianaComan: | thanks | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | my pleasure. | [17:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, if no one wants to make the so i guess ill make it myself, level up some. seems kind of a waste. | [17:36] |
| DianaComan: | maybe jurov? | [17:36] |
| DianaComan: | I get 155q on cooking | [17:37] |
| DianaComan: | oh wow, still have a milk at 216 made by ME ages ago | [17:38] |
| DianaComan: | ha | [17:38] |
| DianaComan: | why didn't I make MORE? :))) | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol see ? | [17:39] |
| DianaComan: | well, I know why: I barely had the ingredients for this one even at the time | [17:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | you don't have enough appreciatiuon for the value of making stocks. | [17:39] |
| DianaComan: | I didn't have enough tubers or whatever it was rather, lol | [17:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | i got plenty of those. i don't have wm. | [17:41] |
| DianaComan: | oh, there, WM, at the time it hadn't even been FOUND | [17:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | (only reason i have plenty of those is cuz i bouight a stock, otherwise if ii had to buy the k's i burn i'd be exactly in the same position i am with md.) | [17:41] |
| DianaComan: | for one thing: tubers I also have plenty for the same reason | [17:42] |
| DianaComan: | wm was never a case of stocking up on it from the merchant | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah electron never had much in the way of shrooms huh | [17:42] |
| DianaComan: | and for the other thing: it was such early days that I had no idea on so many levels (still don't anyway, but ahem) that it's not too far from amazing that I even have that one done, lol | [17:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, im thinking i got enough hoes stash to get my mining level high enough to then use sticks to get to wm. | [17:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's well over 20mn worth of basic hoes, and then there's going to be another 20 mn worth of imps hoes. 40mn worth of exploring should yield some decent gathering skill. | [17:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | after which, i really wanna give this wm / chetty stick thing a go. | [17:46] |
| DianaComan: | meanwhile daniel increases his gathering skill much faster than you can basically | [17:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | how could he do that ? | [17:46] |
| DianaComan: | he doesn't build | [17:46] |
| DianaComan: | hence while you explore once | [17:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | no matter. can he burn k's of hoes ? | [17:46] |
| DianaComan: | he explored twice | [17:46] |
| DianaComan: | don't know | [17:47] |
| DianaComan: | possibly yes, why not? | [17:47] |
| DianaComan: | I have no idea what stocks he has/wants to use | [17:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | well what am i gonna do. try it out and see. | [17:47] |
| DianaComan: | but anyway, good luck, why not | [17:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | industry does not work without wm, and asking for it doesn't work, so ima have to mine it. | [17:47] |
| DianaComan: | I didn't even mention my own stash of tools, lol | [17:47] |
| DianaComan: | well, eulora doesn't work without noobs pretty much | [17:48] |
| DianaComan: | that's the issue there, not the wm | [17:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | the fact remains mining's been reasonably productive for me so far. | [17:48] |
| DianaComan: | good for you | [17:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe it's my one true destiny. | [17:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, gotta figure out wtf to do about this so, to make some screens and cut some bits. | [17:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey hanbot what's your cooking skill ? | [17:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | the bitch with SO is that the bundle is worth well over 120k. so you want a noob, but if he's too noob then most of the xp gets lost outr. | [17:50] |
| DianaComan: | on the other hand with such a big value of the bp + big overcraft maybe there's a change you get some w2d for instance? | [17:52] |
| DianaComan: | that's why I kind of want to do it, but my cooking really seems to be too high :( | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | how much do you make ? | [17:54] |
| DianaComan: | 155q | [17:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i would expect that's about in range. much lower than that and you'd need less than 100k to level no ? | [17:55] |
| DianaComan: | well, it's not that easy, is it | [17:56] |
| DianaComan: | I get that q mainly because of tinkering high | [17:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [17:56] |
| DianaComan: | to answer your q: it depends on where you get the q from - gung-ho skill or tinkering skill | [17:56] |
| DianaComan: | so I might even lose lots of xp in fact on gung-ho, making it even worse | [17:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. | [17:56] |
| hanbot: | <mircea_popescu> hey hanbot what's your cooking skill ? << 1, haha | [17:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [17:57] |
| DianaComan: | ha, hanbot then maybe you'd rather make some ppb and toothpaste for me? | [17:57] |
| hanbot: | danielpbarron i'll be around for a while now | [17:57] |
| hanbot: | tbh i'm kinda meh on training my low skills these days | [17:58] |
| DianaComan: | I'm 54 on gung-ho | [17:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | im over 300. nuts that you make q 150 then, to my 200 | [18:51] |
| danielpbarron: | is around | [23:14] |
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