#eulora Logs for 12 Oct 2015



October 12th, 2015 by Diana Coman
diana_coman: morning [05:03]
diana_coman: are you around mircea_popescu? [05:03]
diana_coman: jurov, want the boulders? [06:36]
jurov: broke into the cemetery :D [07:50]
jurov: but sadly, ghost is gone and digging is not allowed... [07:50]
chetty: awwww [08:23]
chetty: this is how you have fun? Breaking into cemetery? interesting [08:24]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman fucking shit. so i left bot to do 55 crafts overnight, should have taken 10 hours. [08:33]
mircea_popescu: i wake up, it did 3 [08:33]
mircea_popescu: the tool is full of the items that it put there to train and never took back out. [08:33]
mircea_popescu: jurov howdja do that ?\ [08:33]
jurov: went to pee in the corner, turned around... and voila, am in [08:35]
mircea_popescu: oh wall too thin huh [08:35]
jurov: interesting it won't work in the other direction [08:36]
jurov: so i have to wait for chetty to reset [08:36]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu did you run out of bps? [08:37]
mircea_popescu: nope. [08:37]
mircea_popescu: it does this thing, sometimes it simply does not pick the shit back in. [08:37]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i got your bng and the stuff for the scaffolding right here. [08:38]
diana_coman: 1 min [08:39]
diana_coman: so it put it down to train you mean? [08:40]
mircea_popescu: not down. into toolkit. [08:40]
diana_coman: or where did it get stuck? [08:40]
diana_coman: yes, into toolkit [08:40]
mircea_popescu: yes. [08:40]
diana_coman: so after training it failed to get it back? [08:40]
diana_coman: hmmm [08:40]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [08:40]
diana_coman: I'll have another look at that part then [08:40]
mircea_popescu: all 3 stacks left in there too. [08:41]
mircea_popescu: not like partial success. [08:41]
diana_coman: my samovar is almost ready, so I should be able to get the stuff in a few minutes [08:41]
mircea_popescu: did you ever test this drastically overweight ? [08:41]
diana_coman: yeah, it sounds like it skipped that or something [08:41]
diana_coman: well, the training thing is hard to test, lol [08:41]
diana_coman: I did [08:41]
diana_coman: a few times, when I could [08:41]
mircea_popescu: very bad, cost me 1/3 of the workday [08:41]
mircea_popescu: this is quickly becoming a major resource, time. [08:42]
diana_coman: did it actually train? or did that fail too? [08:42]
mircea_popescu: it did train. [08:42]
diana_coman: what was the last thing it reported? [08:42]
diana_coman: ugh, it might be again the target thing [08:42]
diana_coman: logically after train, it tries to retarget the container [08:43]
diana_coman: and then to take the stuff [08:43]
diana_coman: and I remember I had this thing at another time too: the targeting just failed [08:43]
diana_coman: I have no idea why/how [08:43]
mircea_popescu: possiubru [08:43]
diana_coman: tbh though not sure what I can do about it without knowing why the hell the target fails [08:44]
diana_coman: anyways, samovar ready, get the stuff now or later? [08:44]
mircea_popescu: at this rate it will soon be necessary to put a howling sound alarm for any failure. [08:44]
mircea_popescu: i seriously would rather have someone woken up by this than wake up to find im 2-3mn behind in processing schedule. [08:44]
chetty: jurov are you logged in? you can be moved while logged out, dont need to reset server [08:44]
jurov: no i'm offline [08:45]
diana_coman: I was thinking precisely of that kind of alarm, lol [08:45]
diana_coman: I suppose the heavy weight approach would be to take "make x items" as a must and therefore whatever happens, just keep stubbornly trying no matter what [08:46]
mircea_popescu: better than failure. [08:46]
diana_coman: yeah, something like that, though I need to think this through so it doesn't go nuts [08:47]
diana_coman: ugh, delivery, will be back in 15 min [08:47]
mircea_popescu: ill need about that much to sort all this shit lol. [08:47]
chetty: push the bots too far next you will start breaking the server ... [08:47]
mircea_popescu: dialectics! [08:48]
chetty: lol [08:48]
mircea_popescu: oooo i got drunken wedding cake recipe! [08:50]
mircea_popescu: shit, im making one of these. [08:50]
diana_coman: ha, I had one of those I think [08:58]
diana_coman: didn't know you wanted it, lol [08:58]
mircea_popescu: i didn't know either [08:59]
mircea_popescu: but since i got it... [08:59]
mircea_popescu: on the good news front, grenadine did 21 stick clicks for me, got 132 bps. [09:02]
diana_coman: she's the queen of bp writing as it were [09:02]
mircea_popescu: nah, chetty got me THIRTY THREE screen bps [09:03]
mircea_popescu: in one click.\ [09:03]
mircea_popescu: that was so fucking epic... [09:03]
diana_coman: wow, didn't know that, congrats chetty [09:03]
chet__: jurov give it a try now [09:03]
chet__: lo, yeah I guess that was a good one :) [09:03]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman which logically means i will be needing a further 30 or so US made eventually... as i manage to source the molluscoi [09:03]
diana_coman: molluscoi lmao [09:04]
mircea_popescu: lol [09:04]
diana_coman: lol, you gave me 14 sb out of the 18 needed? [09:10]
mircea_popescu: yeah. i dun have the other 4;/ [09:10]
mircea_popescu: dja got any ? [09:10]
diana_coman: I have, but prolly a bit lower q, I'll check what is max I have [09:11]
mircea_popescu: it won't matter anyway. 4 sb is like 200. out of 400k. [09:11]
diana_coman: yeah, actually I have higher, ahahhaha [09:11]
mircea_popescu: you're much likelier to waste 10x that much from your own lvl cap [09:11]
diana_coman: I was actually thinking of finishing first the samovar run really [09:12]
diana_coman: precisely to limit that loss [09:13]
mircea_popescu: works [09:13]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it just did it again [09:19]
mircea_popescu: wanna look at my tool or anything ? [09:19]
diana_coman: let me see, what is the last thing it wrote in the window? [09:19]
mircea_popescu: not enough ingredients for crafting [09:20]
mircea_popescu: omfg you know what, maybe it tries to seelct yours ? [09:20]
diana_coman: ugh, it wouldn't be completely impossible [09:20]
diana_coman: though it shouldn't [09:20]
diana_coman: it's not the nearest, is it [09:20]
diana_coman: + first it selected the right one [09:21]
mircea_popescu: omfg it also was using 10 instead of 1 forgot the damned default [09:21]
mircea_popescu: grrr [09:21]
diana_coman: why now all of a sudden it gets the wrong one [09:21]
diana_coman: that's a different story [09:21]
mircea_popescu: note that the tools were unmoved since last night. [09:21]
diana_coman: I moved mine as I picked it up and put it down [09:21]
diana_coman: (checking whether it's worn-out) [09:21]
diana_coman: hmmm [09:21]
diana_coman: I am relying on the client's own search for nearby stuff [09:22]
mircea_popescu: so was delay in ms ? [09:22]
diana_coman: as with any reliance on old client code, it's probably a bad idea [09:22]
diana_coman: yes [09:22]
diana_coman: ms [09:22]
mircea_popescu: well we'll know presently because i moved my ass. [09:22]
diana_coman: I guess at some point I'll just have to implement all the proper checks (which will be seen exactly as nothing AT ALL, but will take a ton of time to do) [09:23]
diana_coman: as in: actually check the object in the container [09:23]
diana_coman: actually check container is guarded by character [09:23]
diana_coman: etc [09:23]
diana_coman: yuck [09:23]
diana_coman: I suppose atm it could also get confused easily and not even start if there are lots of people crowded around same containers [09:25]
mircea_popescu: if this works then the fix will be put container close, [09:26]
mircea_popescu: \but will open the door to major trollage. [09:26]
jurov: chet__: thanks [09:29]
mircea_popescu: o god now the practice trade while working bullshit [09:30]
mircea_popescu: this just aint my morning ius it [09:30]
diana_coman: jump...lol [09:30]
mircea_popescu: ima relog [09:30]
diana_coman: and yeah re container closest to you is best for sure, but also trollage, of course [09:30]
chetty: somehow I dont feel to inclined to work on ways to prevent people trolling bots [09:31]
mircea_popescu: whynot ? [09:31]
chetty: seems like getting in the way of player inovations [09:33]
diana_coman: he he, I get what chetty says [09:34]
diana_coman: the thing is: full bulletproof automated processes from client side only atm are *very* expensive to make [09:34]
chetty: yeah and some of this may get fixed as a by-product of the growth plan [09:35]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman confirmed. [09:55]
mircea_popescu: it worked fine now. [09:56]
diana_coman: aha; it certainly does take the closest container [10:03]
diana_coman: so in this sense I can see how it might happen if my container got closer somehow [10:03]
diana_coman: I guess I'll add a list of caveats rather than anything else atm [10:03]
mircea_popescu: yep [10:06]
jurov: and is manual process bulletproof, btw? [10:17]
mircea_popescu: how do you mean jurov ? [10:40]
jurov: so that for example noone can snatch stuff while you're crafting [10:41]
mircea_popescu: i think they can't, but feel free to check ? [10:42]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron didn't you end up with TWO sacrifice skill items ? [10:44]
mircea_popescu: wouldja sell one ? [10:44]
diana_coman: wow, did you get the bp for the altar, mircea_popescu? [12:08]
mircea_popescu: nope [12:09]
mircea_popescu: long going discussion about his idea of some kind of sacrifice apprenticeship [12:09]
mircea_popescu: you done with the US btw ? [12:09]
diana_coman: no, still making samovars, lol [12:10]
mircea_popescu: oh oh ok. [12:10]
mircea_popescu: you still paying 35k per stick btw ? [12:10]
diana_coman: nope [12:11]
mircea_popescu: k i think ima take this batch and go wm. [12:11]
diana_coman: ok, just don't try bot+sticks, ok? [12:11]
diana_coman: lolz [12:11]
diana_coman: it won't work [12:11]
mircea_popescu: lol. i... wasn't gonna :) [12:11]
diana_coman: good [12:11]
mircea_popescu: but im going to do a 100 stick run on wm, so should be instructive. [12:12]
mircea_popescu: you ever got an ordinary of the stuff ? [12:12]
diana_coman: wow, I'd rather be weary of getting remarkables of wm lol [12:40]
mircea_popescu: why ? do you know what either takes ? [12:41]
diana_coman: yes, I kept telling you, lol [12:41]
mircea_popescu: darn i forgot lol [12:41]
diana_coman: I had both ord and remarkable (I still have the remarkable) [12:41]
mircea_popescu: so whart's ord take ? [12:41]
diana_coman: the remarkable takes a ton of molluscs and canines + distillates and all sorts [12:41]
diana_coman: the ord is doable..uhm, I had them up somewhere [12:42]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman distillates are perhaps not out of reach. i will be making some wood distillates later on just to see. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: anyway, all this will have to wait a while because well... you got the 200 gathering book right ? i imagine you're prolly 300 by now or who knows. i'd rather have a little more meat on bones first. [12:43]
diana_coman: you mean gathering? [12:44]
diana_coman: yeah, I'm more than 350 [12:45]
diana_coman: shit, I did not jot down the ord wm [12:45]
diana_coman: in any case, it is doable [12:45]
diana_coman: ordinary is all right [12:45]
mircea_popescu: aha. well i figure if i get any remarkables ill stash em. [12:46]
diana_coman: what's your gathering level? [12:53]
mircea_popescu: 131 [12:55]
diana_coman: oh, guess there is a chance you get to use the 400 book then unless it's really steep close to 400 lol [13:03]
mircea_popescu: ha! [13:07]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman of course the logical thing to do would be to capitalize on my strengths, how the fuck am i going to chase you at 350 gathering [13:13]
mircea_popescu: but then again... you got farming but i got sortage, i gotta keep mining else this whole thing stops. [13:14]
mircea_popescu: i guess the whole thing here is ima have to do a whole shitload of mining. [13:14]
diana_coman: well, I think it's fine if you do building , not necessarily gathering [13:26]
diana_coman: and in any case, mainly on basic harvestables if at that [13:26]
mircea_popescu: leaves me with a 1k wm hole i can't fill. [13:40]
diana_coman: that really requires a noob [14:00]
diana_coman: but I see what you mean [14:00]
chetty: well mebbe the noob plays again someday .. [14:01]
mircea_popescu: the thing is... im pretty much the noob. i get q 120 wm. but... hm. [14:02]
mircea_popescu: jesus this game is hard to figure out. [14:02]
chetty: lmao [14:02]
mircea_popescu: so basically, the situation is : i have ~3mn worth of chetty sticks. [14:02]
mircea_popescu: now these i could a) sell ; but diana no loinger wants to pay 35k each ; b) use to mine wm. this is good because stick always finds a small from what i've seen, as opposed to imps which miss 90\% of the time. but it's also bad because i have 130 gathering to diana's 350. [14:03]
mircea_popescu: or c) i could use it to mine sb. this is good because afaik i still get the highest q sb in game. but it's bad because well, i find the sb just fine with imps too. [14:03]
mircea_popescu: so i have nfi what to do here. [14:04]
chetty: well you need the wm to be high ql or you just want a lot? [14:04]
mircea_popescu: i want a lot. [14:05]
chetty: well you need a noober to actually build after you find [14:05]
mircea_popescu: i only build q 130 or so. as compared to my q292 sb say. [14:06]
mircea_popescu: i do however need a noob to make me a large pile of shiny rock shards [14:06]
chetty: well someone like me maybe manages ql 50 .. [14:07]
mircea_popescu: you wanna do some WM building ? [14:07]
mircea_popescu: wm is apparently 94 34 220 [14:08]
chetty: well normally I would but kinda bad time, we need to beat the bushes for noobs :P [14:08]
mircea_popescu: lol srsly. [14:08]
danielpbarron: < mircea_popescu> danielpbarron didn't you end up with TWO sacrifice skill items ? << i used 1 and still have one, and i plan to keep it for a n00b to be my apprentice sacrificer [15:35]
mircea_popescu: aha. [15:37]
danielpbarron: < mircea_popescu> so basically, the situation is : i have ~3mn worth of chetty sticks << i'll buy [15:38]
mircea_popescu: next set, ima mine this one [15:39]
jurov: foxy's code added to the repo (branch foxy): http://minigame.bz/jurov/Eulora-client.git [19:40]
lobbesbot: Title: Index of /jurov/Eulora-client.git (at minigame.bz) [19:40]
jurov: windows binary upcoming [19:47]
mircea_popescu: pretty cool [20:35]

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