| diana_coman: | morning | [02:14] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu how much do you want for em diana_coman ? <- will auction 100 wm starting at 2k per | [02:15] |
| diana_coman: | btw, do you have any high q boulders for sale? or danielpbarron? | [02:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | i never mined boulders cause too heavy | [02:21] |
| diana_coman: | I know what you mean, but I basically need them for oil | [02:35] |
| diana_coman: | and if I use mine it's almost no overcraft | [02:35] |
| diana_coman: | so I'm not going to waste the lft and shrooms on that | [02:36] |
| diana_coman: | maybe daniel will mine them then | [02:36] |
| diana_coman: | I'm fine to dig up some claims and give you the threads to mine them for me so you don't have to carry them if you prefer | [02:36] |
| diana_coman: | they are behind the village area so not far really anyway | [02:37] |
| diana_coman: | is on a wm hunt - hopefully it will go better than previous experiences and then there will be more wms and possibly a lower starting price for the auction | [02:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | well you have a point. besides, only coupla hundred needed, that's not SO terrible | [02:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | let me finish this dolce de leche and ima dig you up some | [02:53] |
| diana_coman: | hanks | [03:03] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [03:04] |
| diana_coman: | will go afterwards to see how the tlc goes too | [03:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | omf that sucked. | [03:54] |
| diana_coman: | wow, the village looks very nice | [03:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | wiped an imp, got 25 | [03:54] |
| diana_coman: | what, boulders? | [03:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya | [03:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahaha yeah. | [03:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | you biddin' on the goose ? | [03:54] |
| diana_coman: | I was still going through all of it | [03:55] |
| diana_coman: | how did the wm go? | [03:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | the wm ? | [03:55] |
| diana_coman: | you said you were going for a wm run yest? | [03:55] |
| diana_coman: | I got about 20 wm a bit earlier at a much much better rate - kind of 2400 cost per wm | [03:56] |
| diana_coman: | but tlc so far is terrible | [03:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | lobbes seems the bot skipped the rss ? | [03:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman ah, wanted to but never actually went. | [03:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | did a flesh and blood wm run instead. | [03:56] |
| diana_coman: | oh | [03:57] |
| diana_coman: | so far 2 tlc for a whole tool, ahem | [03:58] |
| diana_coman: | 5k per tlc | [03:58] |
| chetty: | mornings | [04:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | heya chetty. | [04:05] |
| diana_coman: | morning chetty | [04:05] |
| diana_coman: | chetty, it seems that a wrong set of ingredients for a craft still results in a "working" state or similar: I had first the wrong set of ingredients, but then when I corrected and attempted the craft again, I got a message "you stop working" and I had to try a third time to actually get it working | [11:39] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron out of curiosity, care to share how do you calculate your prices for what you sell? | [11:54] |
| danielpbarron: | base * some factor and then I reduce from there as time goes on until someone wants or until I find use for it | [12:01] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, can't see how you did that for rr for instance | [12:11] |
| diana_coman: | base value is 66 at 100q or 186 at your q | [12:11] |
| diana_coman: | or you want 240 for them? | [12:11] |
| diana_coman: | or what is your factor, 50\%? | [12:11] |
| chetty: | diana_coman, I have not done a server update for that stuff yet | [12:11] |
| diana_coman: | oh, ok then chetty, don't know why I thought it was done, sorry | [12:12] |
| chetty: | np, I have been rather slow about patches last week or so, both wanting to be more careful and a bit busy preping new release | [12:14] |
| diana_coman: | no worries | [12:14] |
| diana_coman: | actually can you give a bit more details about "this release breaks compatibility with the previous clients"? | [12:14] |
| diana_coman: | I was working now on porting the craft bot to the new structure and thus making it work properly with the new server | [12:15] |
| diana_coman: | but now unsure whether that makes sense if the client is changed radically too? | [12:15] |
| diana_coman: | it is quite decoupled from the client really, but still | [12:16] |
| chetty: | well the primary issue for compatibility is some changes in sizes of the messge protocol | [12:16] |
| diana_coman: | it has to plug in at some points | [12:16] |
| diana_coman: | hmmm, guess I'll keep now to the internal bot part then and I'll see when the code is made available | [12:16] |
| diana_coman: | oh and fwiw I noticed I got something like 4-5 mode messages while I was just crafting some lengthy item | [12:17] |
| diana_coman: | not sure why but in any case that settled it for whether to go for the new structure or keep the old message-based one | [12:17] |
| diana_coman: | basically messages are too unpredictable really to rely on them | [12:17] |
| diana_coman: | so will just move it over to timer-supervised | [12:17] |
| diana_coman: | so it will still take some time to move everything and polish it for release | [12:18] |
| chetty: | well the messages are actually very predictable, but you would need to know the internals of each craft action ... | [12:18] |
| diana_coman: | you mean some craft actions are meant to receive like 5+ peace mode messages? | [12:22] |
| diana_coman: | moreover, I was crafting the same thing all the time and it wasn't the same every time | [12:22] |
| diana_coman: | so I can't really see how would that be | [12:22] |
| chetty: | well off the top of my head I dont either, but the program only does what it comes to do, if your bot does the same thing the server will respond the same way. | [12:27] |
| diana_coman: | oh, in that sense I'm sure it does (assuming the context has no influence though, which I can't even be 100\% about) | [12:28] |
| diana_coman: | but anyway, so far it seems to me that relying only on messages is really risky, so I'll stick with the timer approach as it's more robust | [12:29] |
| chetty: | I am thinking maybe it gets a click a bit before it expects it or something and causes it to double check some factors before continung .. | [12:29] |
| diana_coman: | that could be, I suppose | [12:30] |
| chetty: | moving things in and out of inventory could account for it | [12:30] |
| diana_coman: | maybe there were basically some delayed messages from that part | [12:31] |
| diana_coman: | but yeah, I can see then 1001 ways for this to go wrong if it relies on messages for action decision | [12:31] |
| chetty: | it check mode when you do that, move stuff, and figures out if it should send an overweight message that could accont for {extra{ messages | [12:32] |
| chetty: | and I think I have hit 1002 ways for it to go wrong relying on messages from the client :D | [12:37] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, i have 495 boulders at 265 quality, in my storage, asking 100k | [12:38] |
| danielpbarron: | i'll go at boulders the next time i'm out gathering | [12:39] |
| danielpbarron: | should get some at quality 280 | [12:39] |
| danielpbarron: | i was getting close to 290 but someone else got busy building and now i'm doing it just to stay even | [12:40] |
| danielpbarron: | i thought i had a locked claim of highe quality boulders, but it was gone | [12:41] |
| chetty: | do you have the key for that danielpbarron ? | [12:43] |
| danielpbarron: | i left it on the ground where the stick would have been | [12:43] |
| danielpbarron: | i didn't have the details of that claim written down so it's possible i already collected and forgot to ditch the key | [12:43] |
| chetty: | ahh | [12:45] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron that's more than 60\% on top of base-value - guess you can keep them | [12:57] |
| chetty: | ever have one of those days where everything you touch seems to decide to break in some new and strange way? | [14:09] |
| jurov: | yes. or weeks sometimes | [14:12] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman, http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/shop.txt | [18:59] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron ok, I'll take the 93 boulders at 282q | [19:03] |
| diana_coman: | are you in the village? | [19:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-09-06.log.html#t16:17:57 << how's that go ? | [19:07] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Sunday, 2015-09-06 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [19:07] |
| diana_coman: | you mean the move? | [19:07] |
| diana_coman: | the basic part is done (no use of storage) | [19:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | the timer part | [19:08] |
| diana_coman: | oh, that's quite solid and stable, but a bit annoying to figure out the right times to set | [19:08] |
| diana_coman: | hence I think it should just adapt | [19:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw, the tools also got new models. the samovar one is something else, i think you'll like it :D | [19:08] |
| diana_coman: | ha | [19:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | is kinda surprised nobody has yet noticed time to craft in fact depends on skill. | [19:08] |
| diana_coman: | atm the whole thing goes like /bot craft 10 noStorage 7 coarse frangible thread recipe | [19:09] |
| diana_coman: | which is kind of a pain | [19:09] |
| diana_coman: | where that 7 is how many seconds to wait for the craft as a minimum (it kind of checks and waits for more if needed) | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | didja put the + and - in btw ? | [19:09] |
| diana_coman: | but the only sane way would be for it to figure out how long it takes and then stick to that rather than keep trying dumb-ass style | [19:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | /craft M congressional pulp recipe so it uses 2 goop and 12 reeds, vs /craft m using 1 goop and 11 reeds ? | [19:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | because if you have, i'd have pointed out it should ALSO get lowest q from storage if m and highest if M | [19:10] |
| diana_coman: | did I just say basic version, lol? | [19:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | :D | [19:10] |
| diana_coman: | that's quite why I kept it basic :p | [19:11] |
| diana_coman: | because of all that shit that gets thrown in as soon as you go there | [19:11] |
| diana_coman: | and re nobody noticed that's bullshit, lol | [19:11] |
| diana_coman: | just that yeah, it's not as if I figured out a formula to give for it | [19:12] |
| diana_coman: | (I haven't even tried to figure it out that precisely, true) | [19:12] |
| diana_coman: | and fwiw I think it was even said at some point in one of your posts - or at least a hint at it (would have to do a proper search to find the precise line) | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | but anyway : most everything ion new version passed testing today, with the exception of the change making option in the bank. | [19:13] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | the bank throughout is badly mangled, as if written by turkeys, so may take a little more to fix. | [19:13] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron you there? | [19:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i expect client code may well be published tomorrow. | [19:13] |
| diana_coman: | oh, that's cool then | [19:13] |
| diana_coman: | atm I am anyway barely crawling with this in few minutes here and there | [19:14] |
| diana_coman: | is there anything going on today (event)? | [19:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | notrly. | [19:17] |
| diana_coman: | so is then the altar still stuck basically? | [19:18] |
| diana_coman: | oh, anyway, do you sell those famous 25 boulders, mircea_popescu? | [19:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | you want just the 25 ? | [19:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | i was gonna mine some more first | [19:19] |
| diana_coman: | do you have more ? | [19:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | not atm | [19:19] |
| diana_coman: | I'd take those 25 now and more whenever you have them | [19:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | alrighty will be in game in 5 | [19:20] |
| diana_coman: | I got a decent output a bit earlier, but I guess the quality is like less than half what you get so no wonder | [19:20] |
| diana_coman: | ok | [19:20] |
| danielpbarron: | diana_coman> danielpbarron ok, I'll take the 93 boulders at 282q << sorry i went afk right after i posted that lol | [20:33] |
| danielpbarron: | i'm gonna be hard to reach for the next few months | [20:33] |
| danielpbarron: | take time to play where i can | [20:33] |
| danielpbarron: | mircea_popescu is kinda surprised nobody has yet noticed time to craft in fact depends on skill << ??!!?? wtf | [20:34] |
| danielpbarron: | i did not. | [20:35] |
| danielpbarron: | it must get shorter though, because my macros all work | [20:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. who knew players were going to be so individualistic :D | [20:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yes. | [20:35] |
| danielpbarron: | I'd like to | [23:05] |
| danielpbarron: | also, updated http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/shop.txt | [23:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess if not you can mandate someone | [23:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron im willing to pay 2.6mn on the 8k cft. | [23:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | and also im taking the LTF. | [23:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | you in game ? | [23:15] |
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