| Birdman: | I had lost a Worn Old Screens a few weeks back if anyone happened to find it | [00:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey, welcome back. | [00:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | was it one of those got logged off tool left behind ? | [00:16] |
| Birdman: | I left them behind before i logged off | [00:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | 0.06 btc worth of crafting thread! woot! | [02:01] |
| Birdman: | congrats! | [02:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's lovely to see because srsly, paying 35\% to the merchant on 1k qual grass seems like a loser proposition. | [02:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i think so far i'm actually ahead. | [02:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually lessee | [02:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | used up 9k grass, paid 810 each, so 7.3mn total. | [02:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | got 3k threads, like 1.5mn + 6mn in that one hit. yep ahead. | [02:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | yay | [02:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess ima be buyin' more grass. | [02:19] |
| Birdman: | woot | [02:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | danielpbarron : you were right re the merchant btw. i've fixed it, but you get to keep the extras. | [02:48] |
| chetty: | morning | [04:02] |
| danielpbarron: | ah sweet | [04:03] |
| diana_coman: | morning chetty | [04:26] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron I keep forgetting about the ordinary claims, if you want them, let's just trade them already | [04:26] |
| jurov: | still having problems with barehand mining, nothing found at all (a week ago it was not a problem) | [05:31] |
| jurov: | was thinking to dilute the merchant's grass since the overcraft is so big that it's almost useless | [05:32] |
| jurov: | but can't find even one tiny :( | [05:32] |
| jurov: | 100 gathering points are added normally | [05:33] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, I for one surely went up a lot in gathering in 1 week | [05:39] |
| diana_coman: | anyway, I can dig up some claims for you if you want me to | [05:39] |
| diana_coman: | and we can split the grass | [05:39] |
| diana_coman: | so you get some too | [05:39] |
| jurov: | i start hating this whole logic.. why make low level players unable to mine? | [05:40] |
| jurov: | only to have to ship more stuff from europe? | [05:40] |
| diana_coman: | lolz, I don't think that's the point really, what are you mining with? | [05:42] |
| diana_coman: | and do you mean you really don't get any claims at all? | [05:42] |
| jurov: | with nothing | [05:42] |
| diana_coman: | well lolz | [05:42] |
| jurov: | a week ago, it was possible | [05:42] |
| jurov: | now, not at all | [05:42] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, and 3 months ago you would even get remarkables that way, sure | [05:42] |
| jurov: | i am not asking about remarkables | [05:43] |
| jurov: | i am not asking about remarkables | [05:43] |
| jurov: | sry | [05:43] |
| jurov: | only to have to ship more stuff from europe? | [05:44] |
| jurov: | damn, wrong window. anyway my point was. the game progresses to the point you are not able to do anything without senior players sponsoring you and holding your hands | [05:46] |
| jurov: | i won't play such game | [05:46] |
| diana_coman: | wowz, I got some 50k of cft recipes?? | [05:49] |
| jurov: | diana_coman: that's why i want to dilute the grass | [05:49] |
| diana_coman: | why, is that a bad thing to get such loot? | [05:49] |
| diana_coman: | I don't follow? | [05:49] |
| jurov: | you'll end with 5m of them, is such amount really useful? | [05:50] |
| diana_coman: | not on the spot, no, but I'm sure I'll get through using or selling them in time | [06:10] |
| diana_coman: | and yeah, will have a look at something else to craft with the grass | [06:11] |
| chetty: | we have several new players, how are they doing on exploring? | [06:18] |
| diana_coman: | ahaha | [07:59] |
| diana_coman: | found the tubers | [08:00] |
| diana_coman: | wasn't even looking for anything | [08:00] |
| chetty: | grats!! | [08:42] |
| diana_coman: | thanks! | [08:54] |
| jurov: | congrats! | [09:13] |
| diana_coman: | thanks | [10:10] |
| diana_coman: | on the mining data front: 12 tools run (hoes from merchant, hence considered at 10k coppers each) had results (165q): 73 NT, 120 WWB, 19 TLC, 1 Ordinary NT. Evaluated at base-value for the resources and 10k (current going price) for the ordinary claim, this means 80k output for 120k input | [10:21] |
| jurov: | on what building/exploring level? | [10:40] |
| diana_coman: | building level to get 165q on rare items (no sortage skill) and gathering level > 120, still less than 200, lolz | [10:45] |
| jurov: | used 112 cft of q 158 to mine 252 grass of q 92... dunno how can anyone maintain delusions mining is +ev | [11:16] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, who said it was +ev? I have been saying + giving concrete data for quite a while that it is a negative proposition, except if you hit on some major loot (I personally don't seem to have a knack for those + I find it weird to rely on outliers for evaluating stuff) | [11:21] |
| jurov: | mircea did some calculation how much can a chump make off eulora back in the day | [11:21] |
| jurov: | lloks like this was "fixed" | [11:21] |
| diana_coman: | I think it still ends up positive in a combination (high skill gathering, low skill building) only (other than hitting a big loot) | [11:22] |
| diana_coman: | or, otherwise, about 50\% on top of base value | [11:22] |
| diana_coman: | it depends on the type of thing you mine too, though, but that figure quite covers it | [11:23] |
| jurov: | low skill building gets more items on average from small claims? | [11:24] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [11:24] |
| diana_coman: | I was collecting data on this, I still have a limited sample, but so far it happened every time | [11:24] |
| diana_coman: | it has to do with the quality you get | [11:25] |
| diana_coman: | you can think of it roughly this way: the claim gives you a certain total value | [11:25] |
| diana_coman: | then if you get higher quality, you get fewer items | [11:25] |
| diana_coman: | if you get lower quality, you get more itmes | [11:25] |
| diana_coman: | items | [11:25] |
| diana_coman: | also, there is the thing that if you mine tiny of wm for instance, you clearly end up positive (at least if you get the tinies in the first place) | [11:26] |
| diana_coman: | and the higher your skill/quality of wm, the better your return | [11:26] |
| jurov: | did you count the tool? | [11:27] |
| diana_coman: | have a look at the logs; essentially this is what I said earlier though: at least cruddy hoes don't do the job really to end up + | [11:27] |
| diana_coman: | would have maybe to do a few runs with some imp too and see | [11:28] |
| diana_coman: | have a look at my store too: the prices there, when cited are basically calculated based on costs to end up + | [11:28] |
| diana_coman: | and for further lolz: output from 1 ordinary of tlc (which takes 3 pacademia nuts, 1 tove, 2 grubs, 1 eps, 10 BBB and 3nt): 3 tlc (165q) | [11:31] |
| chetty: | server reset in 5 | [15:20] |
| jurov: | btw i did notice vast improvement, both mining worked smoothly and no crashes, kudos chetty | [15:21] |
| chetty: | ty jurov | [15:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, server back to being the rock we want it to be. | [15:23] |
| chetty: | reset is a couple minor items like crafter id, no biggys | [15:23] |
| chetty: | quit | [15:26] |
| chetty: | done | [15:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool | [15:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | soo... another 0.03 btc for me, and one for foxy | [15:32] |
| diana_coman: | wd | [15:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-31.log.html#t09:40:26 << it might be you're trying to mine in a hard spot ? | [15:40] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Monday, 2015-08-31 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno noobs are unable to mine. | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | lobbes gernika you ever tried it ? | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-31.log.html#t09:50:23 << i actually burned ~3mn recipes two days ago in a book sitting. | [15:42] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Monday, 2015-08-31 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-31.log.html#t15:16:20 << mining is +ev pretty much universally for mining tinies. | [15:44] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Monday, 2015-08-31 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [15:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think that's what was said. otherwise, mining like everything else is a chance proposition. | [15:44] |
| jurov: | mircea_popescu: when i used a tool in the same spots, it went okay | [15:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | it went ok, but what did you find ? | [15:44] |
| jurov: | tinies and smalls, same as before | [15:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol yes but WHAT KIND | [15:44] |
| jurov: | i was doing grass today | [15:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh so barehanded at grass spot you got 0 finds in how many tries ? | [15:45] |
| jurov: | about 200 tries | [15:45] |
| jurov: | and i did find 2 tinies | [15:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. i dun think it's representative tbh | [15:46] |
| danielpbarron: | you should try flotsam barehanded | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | do you find any danielpbarron ? | [15:46] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | hasn't been mining in a while because so much crafting to do omg | [15:46] |
| danielpbarron: | i mean i don't do barehanded anymore but when I did, flotsam was pretty consistent | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | last i tried barehanded, i went on a run of WM. iirc i got about 25 mushrooms (q 150ish, im not very good at rares) in about an hour | [15:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | which... 25k for free, not the worst deal ever. | [15:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | but the hour consisted of easily 500 tries, i would guess. | [15:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think found like 20ish smalls one of which yielded 6 iirc. | [15:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov anyway, there is a wide array of mined items that i'd buy. i think the most desperately needed atm is probably solid branch | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | was grass before, but then electron nailed that. | [15:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other news ima include some nice graphs with s.mg statement. | [17:24] |
| diana_coman: | actually meanwhile I got a (barely, but still) positive run: 70k of tools for 83k base-value output | [17:28] |
| diana_coman: | 553 rf and 58tpt | [17:28] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu> last i tried barehanded, i went on a run of WM. iirc i got about 25 mushrooms (q 150ish, im not very good at rares) in about an hour <- I suspect that was quite some time ago though | [17:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | you find less than 1 in 20 tries ? | [17:30] |
| diana_coman: | I guess I'll do now a bare-handed run out of curiosity if nothing more, haven't done that in ages, but with a tool and I was wearing a whole tool down and NOT finding a wm | [17:31] |
| diana_coman: | that is surely more than 20 tries I'd say | [17:31] |
| diana_coman: | I think it's about 220/try | [17:31] |
| diana_coman: | and the tools are around 9.3k | [17:31] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, I hope I get to finish building this wm ordinary before the reset... | [17:39] |
| chetty: | gonna be a quick break folks, I seem to have to keep playing here :P | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | ok, I'm done, 6 wm out of 1 ordinary... | [17:39] |
| chetty: | nice find diana | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | could have been worse for sure | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | thanks :) | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | at least the wm ordinary is actually kind of ok (still takes some snakeskins ) | [17:40] |
| chetty: | actually does sound like you been having some bad lucks | [17:40] |
| chetty: | done | [17:44] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, for about 34 years or so :)))) | [17:44] |
| chetty: | lmao | [17:44] |
| chetty: | oo storm coming in here | [17:44] |
| diana_coman: | a thunderstorm? | [17:45] |
| diana_coman: | I miss those | [17:45] |
| gernika: | mircea_popescu I haven't tried it yet | [17:46] |
| diana_coman: | even the weather here is subdued and most probably avoiding confrontation or something, lol | [17:47] |
| chetty: | hahaha that explains weather here then, latins love drama | [17:49] |
| chetty: | had been a lovely day but the sudden wind sounds like a neighbor lost a shlf full of glass stuff | [17:50] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha | [17:50] |
| diana_coman: | not sure what that'd make of south tyrol: in summer it would *always* be a sunny day with perfect blue sky, then rain at 6pm followed by rainbows at about 6.40 pm and a lovely (a bit cooler) evening | [17:51] |
| diana_coman: | then again, maybe that's precisely the mix of italians and austrians, who know | [17:51] |
| jurov: | everyone hates austrians | [17:51] |
| diana_coman: | knows | [17:51] |
| diana_coman: | south tyrol is in italy though, jurov, that's the thing | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | not sure whether those ladins also count there | [17:52] |
| diana_coman: | other than for weird signposts of course | [17:52] |
| jurov: | südtirol ist österreich!!!11 | [17:53] |
| diana_coman: | ha | [17:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | lolz | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | lolz | [17:54] |
| diana_coman: | so far 10 tries bare-handed and no shrooms (leveled up in gathering though, so short break) | [17:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | goes to restart his craftingwerks | [17:55] |
| jurov: | and here around carpathians the weather just kinda.. tries everything without any discernible patterns | [17:55] |
| diana_coman: | ahhahahaha, that sounds just about the best description of the region I'd say :))) | [17:55] |
| diana_coman: | is now curious as to whether 1 euloran life is worth at least 1 woolly mushroom | [17:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw jurov you want more coins ? | [17:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | otherwise ima lock down the month accounts nad publish | [17:58] |
| jurov: | yes. i thought you'are waiting for next fiscal month :) | [17:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | notrly. how much ? | [17:58] |
| jurov: | another 5 | [17:58] |
| jurov: | and can i push to some mpex acct instead? | [17:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | alrighty, ima do this directly! | [17:59] |
| diana_coman: | so 40 tries and counting and not even one tiny wm... | [18:00] |
| jurov: | anyone wants fresh coins? | [18:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov log off for a minute. | [18:01] |
| jurov: | ok | [18:01] |
| diana_coman: | do they sell for less due to their obvious lack of knowledge of the world? | [18:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao | [18:02] |
| jurov: | no they're more expensive cuz crisp and untainted | [18:02] |
| diana_coman: | is slowly dying on a failed hunt for shrooms, so possibly slightly delirious | [18:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov can relog. | [18:03] |
| diana_coman: | "for he who lives more lives than one, more shrooms than one might find" | [18:04] |
| diana_coman: | I can confirm that nope, no tiny wm | [18:04] |
| diana_coman: | for a whole bloody life, lol | [18:05] |
| diana_coman: | of digging bare-handed | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yes but wm is like 800 and grass like 60 | [18:05] |
| diana_coman: | so mircea_popescu those were long-gone times when you could find 25 wm | [18:05] |
| diana_coman: | in 1 hour of bare-handed mining | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | sucks! | [18:05] |
| diana_coman: | and I hope it's clear now why I said it's not worth just exploring bare-handed now | [18:05] |
| diana_coman: | might I mention that I most probably have the highest gathering rank on server | [18:06] |
| jurov: | mircea_popescu: we are done? | [18:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov should be, | [18:06] |
| jurov: | so if nobody buys, i'm going afk. goodnight. | [18:06] |
| diana_coman: | good night jurov | [18:07] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu do you want those 1k sb and the rf? | [18:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeh | [18:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | whenever convenient | [18:10] |
| diana_coman: | I just back to town | [18:10] |
| diana_coman: | now is best, lol | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, writing smg report. laterh! | [18:11] |
| diana_coman: | then tomorrow, as I'll set all stuff up and leave the bot to mine some more sb I guess | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | kk | [18:12] |
| lobbesbot: | News from eulora: MiniGame (S.MG), August 2015 Statement <http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-august-2015-statement/> | [19:15] |
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