| whaack: | diana_coman: EOD Report: Another long 12h+ grind on TheFleet that went into the night. I did my writing too but no Spanish. I can connect a fleet to small networks, but networks have a max-conn-per-host limit that when passed boots all my bots. So my max channels per ip is (max-conn-per-host * num-chans-per-nick) until I find some trick. Otherwise, I learned a bit about error handling and threading today in CL. I'll publish the det | [03:48] |
| whaack: | ails tomorrow in my article. | [03:48] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-29-Dec-2019#1014261 - exactly. | [04:51] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-12-29 18:36:18 whaack: diana_coman: i see, they're the half baked notions i wish to be true that I leave in my head unchallenged | [04:51] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-29-Dec-2019#1014265 - possibly it gets confused by those < < that remained as such, try making them < since you do that for the rest anyway, right? | [04:53] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-12-29 19:32:46 dorion_road: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-27-Dec-2019#1014149 << done. however, I seem to be tripping on a bizarre mp-wp bug. a </strong> tag is being dropped upon serving the comment. when I edit the comment it's there, but upon saving it, it's dropped. I've been banging my head for the last 90 mins without any | [04:53] |
| diana_coman: | dorion_road: also, don't bang head alone for that long - come in here and someone will bang your head for you if needed - or otherwise help you out way faster, you know? | [04:57] |
| diana_coman: | btw, you might want to use a html validator as it will point out unclosed tags and other such things that tend to end up in weird errors. | [04:58] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-30-Dec-2019#1014283 - what tends to be the range for those num-chans-per-nick and max-conn-per-host ? | [05:01] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-12-30 03:48:02 whaack: diana_coman: EOD Report: Another long 12h+ grind on TheFleet that went into the night. I did my writing too but no Spanish. I can connect a fleet to small networks, but networks have a max-conn-per-host limit that when passed boots all my bots. So my max channels per ip is (max-conn-per-host * num-chans-per-nick) until I find some trick. Otherwise, I learned a bit about error handling and threading today in CL. I'll publish the det | [05:01] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: 3-5 connections per host and 120 max-chans-per-nick is what i've seen, but I have not iterated through the channels. there is no command afaik to get these numbers - i have to keep going until i hit an error. | [10:57] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: what/why is the work on this so far eating that much time? It seems rather excessive from here. | [11:01] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: Are you asking 'why put that much time in a single day?' or 'why is the logger not up and running yet?' | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: I'm asking what took 12h+ and why is it a grind? | [11:06] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-12-30 03:48:02 whaack: diana_coman: EOD Report: Another long 12h+ grind on TheFleet that went into the night. I did my writing too but no Spanish. I can connect a fleet to small networks, but networks have a max-conn-per-host limit that when passed boots all my bots. So my max channels per ip is (max-conn-per-host * num-chans-per-nick) until I find some trick. Otherwise, I learned a bit about error handling and threading today in CL. I'll publish the det | [11:06] |
| diana_coman: | so neither of your guesses there, really :) | [11:07] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: first, grind was a poor choice of words, since grind implies lots of tedious work (if i had manually connected to each network and figured out their connections-per-host etc. then that would be a grind) | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | well yes, that's what it suggested and part of why I asked the question. | [11:11] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: What I did in the 12h was change trinque's bot to have a setting to connect with unauthed nicks and implemented make-fleetbot and fleetbot-connect-thread. One big time sink was I banged my head a bit on handling errors within threads. Another was then figuring out what was causing the errors sent by the networks | [11:16] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: the discussion with trinque yesterday made me reevaluate my methodology with cl. cl+slime+emacs = the 'wonderful ability' to have a hotkey to take a function and put it inside the REPL so you can test it in isolation. but yesterday I bet I could point to hours lost 'masturbating' by firing off functions in the repl instead of reading my source and improving it | [11:22] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: that's exactly what it sounded like, indeed; and your statement yesterday re looking for code doing this or that was also a red flag. | [11:29] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: note that testing something is *not* going to do a whole lot re understanding that something, esp not by itself; there are quite a few layers on this, hm. | [11:31] |
| diana_coman: | the point with using trinque's bot to start with was precisely to not end up with repeated 12h+ days on this but I suspect you have some very inefficient habits either programming in general or unknown language specifically. | [11:34] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: it's a mixture of the two imo | [11:37] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: now the question is whether the reason you find it more pleasant writing in lisp is precisely because it feeds those bad habits, you know? | [11:44] |
| ossabot: | (trilema) 2019-12-29 whaack: trinque: First, I find it more pleasant writing in lisp. Second, I like the cultural aspect of a (present day) more niche language. Then for problems with python: i find the single line lambdas a strange requirement, and not having tail call optimization is lame (although i admit i can't think of many/any cases where that's been a problem) | [11:44] |
| whaack: | mhm | [11:45] |
| whaack: | trinque's qs were a good wake up call. ~ 'oh yeah you like lisp, are you going to bet your work/career/life/etc. on that feeling?' | [11:46] |
| whaack: | and the 'machine gun' programming language is nice, for about 10 seconds before it finds a way to jam. i have my handicap autocomplete on + jump to func definition + repl etc. these help, kind of. but guess what happens when i fire off a thread to connect to a network and the network returns an error? all of the sudden I can't even edit the file i'm working on because my emacs is locking up when it searches the environment for symb | [11:54] |
| whaack: | ols to autocomplete to | [11:54] |
| whaack: | but a bigger problem than the above is that I turn a blind eye to problems like it because i've found the 'sekret weapon language' meant for the smart kids frustrated with the world | [11:59] |
| whaack: | dorion_road and jfw: would you be able to meet for coffee if I came to Panama City sometime between Jan 14th-Jan19th? booking my border run is way overdue | [12:27] |
| whaack: | bbl, off to Santa Cruz | [13:15] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-30-Dec-2019#1014311 - heh, this sounds like you need a whole lot more experience to end up with the wisdom to simplify your own workbench. | [15:22] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-12-30 11:54:52 whaack: and the 'machine gun' programming language is nice, for about 10 seconds before it finds a way to jam. i have my handicap autocomplete on + jump to func definition + repl etc. these help, kind of. but guess what happens when i fire off a thread to connect to a network and the network returns an error? all of the sudden I can't even edit the file i'm working on because my emacs is locking up when it searches the environment for symb | [15:22] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-30-Dec-2019#1014313 - yeah, too many blind eyes even, heh. | [15:24] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-12-30 11:59:11 whaack: but a bigger problem than the above is that I turn a blind eye to problems like it because i've found the 'sekret weapon language' meant for the smart kids frustrated with the world | [15:24] |
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