#ossasepia Logs for 20 Nov 2019

April 21st, 2020 by Diana Coman
whaack: diana_coman: I believe I should also keep backups of my younghands posts. I am considering writing a script that just saves the html outputs because I imagine you have backups of younghands in its source form, and my use of the backups should younghands explode would be to review my weekly progress. I.e. it is not ideal but not the end of the world if I can't easily reconstruct a portion of the wp site. If I should go about backing [02:13]
whaack: up younghands in another way, please let me know. [02:13]
diana_coman: whaack: you can always aim wget and mirror any site for that matter, not much of a script to write as such; but yes, do backup your yh posts for sure; and as a rule, you *always* do your own backups, no matter what others might or might not be doing. [03:44]
diana_coman: jfw: did you get that deedbot/invoice problem sorted? [04:09]
whaack: diana_coman: good morning. Boxcorreos has informed me that they need me to send me my passport # via email to be able to receive the test package i sent through them. Normally I would just go ahead and do so, but my attempt at a do-as-diana_coman-would-do mentality is giving me pause. The reason I am okay with sending plaintext passport #'s through email is "eh it's such an insecure system anyways, why bother putting an effort to [13:02]
whaack: protect the #?" [13:02]
BingoBoingo: They won't let you give them the number over the phone? [13:04]
whaack: BingoBoingo: I can try calling them. [13:04]
whaack: BingoBoingo: I thought of this but also I am not sure if its foolish thinking the phone is more secure. [13:08]
BingoBoingo: whaack: Well to be especially paranoid, if it gets harvested over a voice channel whoever intercepts it has to burn more CPU turning it into a db entry. [13:10]
BingoBoingo: And its just a magic string. [13:10]
BingoBoingo: A magic string that's got most of its utility tied to an arbitrary artifact. [13:11]
whaack: BingoBoingo: Well that last point I understand, but I don't see how it's an argument for or against giving them the number through the phone. [13:14]
BingoBoingo: whaack: I ran into this quite a bit after landing. Latino systems don't tend to be fucked the way US systems are. The local ID numbers aren't magic attractive ID theft targets like US Social Security numbers are. There's all sorts of rituals here where folks gotta check off having a number in their checklist. [13:16]
whaack: BingoBoingo: I am aware of them constantly needing the passport number in LATAM. From my understanding police can do checks on hotels and ask for the passport numbers of all their clients, and if the hotel doesn't have them available they have to pay a fine. [13:22]
whaack: BingoBoingo: It is usually something I give out without second thought. I gave it recently through email to get my fancy chair delivered. [13:23]
BingoBoingo: whaack: The hotels thing is retarded pantsuit "anti-human" trafficking bs. [13:24]
diana_coman: whaack: it's not going to make any difference; call them since it's good for your Spanish practice but other than that, it doesn't matter. [13:24]
whaack: diana_coman: ha alright [13:24]
whaack: diana_coman: On a separate topic (jfw and dorion your advice is appreciated as well) for my possible parts list I would appreciate feedback on the motherboard and videocard. (of course feedback on all parts is welcome, but those were the two parts I feel most uncertain about) https://pcpartpicker.com/ warned me that the motherboard will not be compatible with [13:32]
whaack: the Fx8350 if it has an older bios version. On a forum I found a post saying that the incompatible bios version is from back in 2013, and thus the motherboard will most likely be compatible. [13:32]
whaack: BingoBoingo: Your input is always very appreciated as well :) [13:34]
BingoBoingo: whaack: All I have to really say about the parts that hasn't been said is that the speed boost of a solid state disk is hard to pass up. [13:53]
BingoBoingo: One big advantage of desktop builds is getting multiple drive bays. [13:54]
diana_coman: whaack: is your cpu in the list of supported cpus for that motherboard or not? it should be in the specs there, no? [14:03]
diana_coman: also, I think you got confused re drives or it reads like that atm on your blog: you seem to have swapped a Kingston SDD for a SATA (mine is SATA, not SDD) [14:04]
whaack: BingoBoingo: /me sighs. Practicing 'unflinching honesty' I must admit that I managed to list the Seagate with "7200 RPM" thinking it was an SSD in my head. [14:04]
whaack: diana_coman: yes. [14:04]
diana_coman: while I fully agree that using SDD gives a speed boost, tbh I never bothered with them on my desktops really, not like I ever *needed* that boost. [14:04]
diana_coman: yes, I use them in servers, sure. [14:04]
diana_coman: whaack: at any rate, there's nothing wrong with either option sdd or sata really, just know what you choose and why [14:05]
BingoBoingo: It seems to make a differnece if the computer is running a Bitcoin node, but a benefit of multiple bays is a small SSD large HDD combination can work [14:06]
whaack: diana_coman: the yes was to having confused the drives btw, i will double check the list of supported cpus for the motherboard. I found the motherboard by checking the cpu's list of supported motherboards on a third party website. [14:06]
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: for btc node certainly. [14:06]
diana_coman: whaack: the SPEC! that is the reference, not whatever someone you don't know wrote on a website, gah. [14:07]
diana_coman: SSD* ofc, no idea why I keep writing it as SDD. [14:08]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i switched (incl. workstations) to 100\% ssd in '15, and it was the most subjectively pleasant upgrade ever had occasion to buy -- much more palpable effect on e.g. compile times, etc than any cpu swap ever was [14:10]
diana_coman: whaack: and you know, that gigabyte website actually has categories, supported sockets etc; it's made to be useful, just use it and stop just looking around maybe someone else did all the thinking for you already. [14:11]
whaack: diana_coman: yes the cpu is supported as per the spec on gigabyte's website. [14:11]
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I can believe. I guess at some point I'll finally move on with the times on this too or something, lol. [14:12]
diana_coman: whaack: so then what was your question again? [14:12]
whaack: diana_coman: There are different bios versions for the motherboard, and the pcpartpicker site warned the motherboard needed to have a more recent version. But at first pass from the spec website there are only two bios versions and the older bios is also compatible with the FX-8350 [14:16]
diana_coman: whaack: so it should work; and if it doesn't you certainly have something interesting to write about if the actual spec is false. [14:18]
diana_coman: whaack: re hdd atm go with ssd, you are probably better off getting used to them anyway; for that matter, why exactly did you not want that Kingston ssd? [14:19]
whaack: diana_coman: it seemed a good way to save ~00. as I said I brainfarted and thought the seagate was an SSD [14:20]
diana_coman: those "savings" of yours belong in that pile of stupid to burn. [14:21]
whaack: diana_coman: on second pass of the spec website, there are 2 revisions of the motherboard and bestcomputersa has the second revision. The second revision version of the motherboard appears to only have one bios version so I should be good to go. [14:22]
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : re ssd/saving -- i've found that 'samsung' is the only 1 that reliably serves for the 3-4yrs / 300-400 total overwrites given in the theoretical spec. i.e. you pay for the 'savings' of chinesium w/ sudden death of disks / total loss of contents. [14:24]
whaack: diana_coman: Well I would like to understand the major price differences between SSD's that connect via SATA. For example there is the Maxtor 480 GB SSD that is ~100,000 colones cheaper than the Kingston [14:24]
whaack: well looks like asciilifeform has the answer lol [14:25]
BingoBoingo: Only a very small number of fabs make NAND flash. Right now Samsung is winning that race and they keep the best chips for end products with their own branding. [14:27]
diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes, meant to add that if ssd then Samsung. [14:42]
whaack: alright i will double check again later but i can't seem to find a samsung ssd on hanbot's recommended sites. [14:47]
BingoBoingo: entered serious bids on the things I wanted, including the lots of SSDs, in the Pizarro auctions for reasons. [14:48]
diana_coman: what, are samsung ssds not found in cr ?? [14:49]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ftr: afaik best 'for the $' samsung item currently in print is the 860 series. [14:51]
asciilifeform: whaack et al : 'the miser pays twice'. last thing i'd miser on is hdd (esp. if you dun have a raid5.) but maybe that's just me, 'defending empty islands'(tm)(r)(mp). (will add, tho, that not 1 piz customer using full-width sata (vs usb rk) ssd's which i specced, had a disk failure, in the 2y of piz.) [14:54]
asciilifeform: another 'seekrit' -- if you're installing ssd in a 'human' (vs racked, where massive air pressure already) machine -- get a ribbed heatsink for it and place in direct flow from front fan. [14:56]
whaack: asciilifeform: Thank you. I will invest in a good ssd, look into the ribbed heatsink, and place the ssd accordingly. [15:01]
asciilifeform: whaack: it could even be economical to mail order from usa, if must. worth a look at least. i had spare rk & drives shipped to BingoBoingostan from usa, it 'merely' ~doubled their cost. [15:03]
whaack: thimbronion: I may need to take you up on your offer here. Do you think you could gpg me an address where that I can send an SSD to? [15:04]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-08 11:35:29 thimbronion: whaack: I'll be arriving in Liberia on Nov. 26th. If you want me to bring in some smaller items let me know. [15:04]
whaack: asciilifeform: Alright I will go with the 860 that connects via sata and use a courier service to get the drive to CR if i can't find it here otherwise / thimbronion is unable to help out. [15:12]
diana_coman: jfw: if I read the latest article correctly, you looked in more detail at those tasks and mainly found that some are actually done, some should not take too long and a few more are not all that clear but have to be done; is this it? [15:13]
diana_coman: jfw: you should add the log discussion of yest as comment to yesterday's post. [15:14]
diana_coman: whaack: what's the status re cables and other needed small parts? [15:15]
jfw: hi diana_coman, that's correct about tasks [15:16]
jfw: I thought to add the discussion of the footnotes to yesterday's, but sure, can do the whole thing. [15:16]
diana_coman: jfw: it's up to you really but don't you think it belongs there [15:17]
diana_coman: ? [15:17]
jfw: I'll be reading the log closer shortly but I saw the invoice question, that is not resolved [15:17]
diana_coman: jfw: did you check again? [15:18]
jfw: Can't hurt to save it, yeah, will be good to keep handy for re-reading. [15:18]
diana_coman: that's the idea, yes. [15:18]
jfw: I didn't check again. [15:18]
asciilifeform: jfw: i had your crate weighed & priced etc. at post office, it will go within 1d of when you're able to pay [15:18]
whaack: diana_coman: There has been very minimal progress there. I have only a list of tools I may want for building that I got from a website (screw driver set, forceps, anti-static kit, zip ties, and canned air) and two misc parts (ethernet cable, sd card reader) [15:19]
diana_coman: jfw: so check again first. [15:19]
asciilifeform: jfw: postage is 0.002 btc. [15:19]
whaack: (+ extra thermal paste in that list as well) [15:21]
jfw: roger asciilifeform. [15:21]
jfw: checked, still encrypted to wrong key, will ping in #trinque. [15:21]
diana_coman: whaack: you need to figure out a full list preferably before you go to the hardware store, no? and also, there are some basic things (such as a good set of screwdrivers, yes!) that you should have in the house ANYWAY. [15:21]
diana_coman: jfw: yes, do that. [15:22]
diana_coman: jfw: so based on this revised plan for the wallet, what's your estimated time required? [15:23]
jfw: afraid I haven't determined a number yet. [15:24]
whaack: diana_coman: Yes I have making a list of items from the hardware store in my TODO list for tomorrow before I make the trip. I can also add that to today's tasks and push the backup scripts to Friday. [15:25]
diana_coman: whaack: you will not push the backup scripts anywhere. [15:26]
whaack: diana_coman: Okay. [15:26]
diana_coman: well, you can push them to the front of the queue if you prefer, that much is fine. [15:26]
whaack: diana_coman: I think the smartest move is to push saltmines down the list. [15:26]
diana_coman: whaack: works. [15:26]
diana_coman: jfw: do say what you plan to do next, preferably without me asking for each and every step, all right? [15:27]
jfw: Alright. [15:28]
jfw: so, next step here is to figure out the time estimates, to make it entirely explicit. [15:29]
diana_coman: heh, and an estimate for the estimates :D [15:29]
jfw: lolz! 20:30 UTC. [15:30]
diana_coman: works, thanks. [15:30]
diana_coman: I gather that the rest of the week's articles will not be still-wallet though, correct? [15:31]
diana_coman: jfw: ^ [15:33]
jfw: hey I'm back, power blipped and the net needed some fiddling to get back. (I had a UPS on that router, but battery died...) [15:46]
diana_coman: lolz; had the battery-beeps-at-2am only the other day, ugh. [15:47]
jfw: diana_coman: I do think I need to get back to other topics. I don't have any lined up atm besides the technical list. Anything you'd like to assign? [15:48]
jfw: (re blogging.) [15:48]
diana_coman: jfw: iirc you still had some unfinished, didn't you? [15:50]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: outta curiosity, what do you use for a ups ? [15:51]
diana_coman: jfw: look here: http://younghands.club/2019/11/04/jfw-plan-week-of-nov-4-2019/ [15:51]
diana_coman: asciilifeform: APC [15:51]
diana_coman: well,atm it's.. more than 1 UPS but anyways [15:52]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: for ~decade nao i use several 'liebert' GXT2-1000RT120 (on diff comps), they work a++ (so long as you remember to buy new cells erry 2-3y) ; formerly apc (of simil. size) , w/ apc had many headaches. [15:53]
diana_coman: asciilifeform: it worked fine for me for 6 years already, honestly [15:54]
jfw: diana_coman: I had finished the joining yhc and wot series, or at least so I thought [15:56]
diana_coman: jfw: now that's interesting; would you kindly link me to last article of each series, maybe I missed it somehow? [15:57]
jfw: I have a feeling you didn't miss and rather I've missed including something but: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/the-road-to-ossasepia-part-6/ , http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/my-present-understanding-of-the-wot-part-2/ [16:00]
diana_coman: jfw: for http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/the-road-to-ossasepia-part-6/ you say there yourself that there was more you should be saying, don't you> [16:04]
diana_coman: and lolz @ uncategorized; that does say something too. [16:04]
diana_coman: re WoT series, it doesn't quite come together and I suspect you didn't really have a very clear idea as to what you wanted to say overall either; or did you? [16:07]
jfw: more I should have been saying - I did; if there's more, it hasn't "loaded" yet, though perhaps for lack of trying [16:09]
diana_coman: if you considered it done anyway, what was there to load, ofc. [16:10]
jfw: on WoT, I did say the things I wanted to, but perhaps those weren't clear / coherent enough [16:10]
diana_coman: carrying over from #t : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951634 [16:13]
ossabot: (trilema) 2019-11-20 diana_coman: I've moved ossasepia.com to where I hope it will stay for longer really; please update hosts files accordingly and sorry for the repeated moves; I've updated DNS records too but those might take a while, as they do. [16:13]
jfw: new IP works. I'm not seeing 20:30 happening for that estimate [16:17]
diana_coman: jfw: there would be quite a few things to say even when reading both parts of the WoT articles together but at the very least, you can't just plonk at the end something like if this works and then leave it at that. [16:18]
diana_coman: thanks for testing the IP. [16:18]
diana_coman: the more appropriate title there would also be "my present thinking on the potential-maybe-perhaps? role the WoT might (one-day-if-it-aint-borked-really) play (but I won't stake my word on it either way!!)" [16:21]
diana_coman: and yeah, I'm messing up your deadline :D [16:21]
jfw: hmm. my thinking there was, MP's claim if I recall was that the WoT does the things it does far cheaper than any possible alternative - something I'm not sure I have the knowledge to claim on my own. I'd imagine then that I should have handled this by stating it as such [16:23]
diana_coman: jfw: yes and with reference(s), ofc; the point is not about claiming something you don't know; the point is about giving a round account of whatever issue you choose to talk about; reader can't read your mind, what. [16:27]
diana_coman: jfw: how do you plan/choose what should go in an article? [16:28]
jfw: Can't say I have a well understood process there. Something like: I list points I can think of about the topic; consider what overall points I want to make; see what fits and in what sequence, and what else comes to mind as I go [16:31]
diana_coman: jfw: do you see any problem there? [16:33]
jfw: lack of coherence, or understanding of the proposed path to take the reader from one point to another as I recall you've put it [16:35]
jfw: also it doesn't seem to give a good structure to support the process; more intuition than clear reasoning [16:38]
diana_coman: jfw: coherence you might even get in principle (you say you do look for the sequence so probably with enough iterations you can get there) but what you can't get at all with that approach are those pesky parts that you might not yet know about the topic to start with; and this can easily feed into your "sweat blood to write" really because if you don't yet know enough, you are quite stuck. [16:39]
diana_coman: basically your process there - whether knowingly or not - focuses on your thoughts, not on the topic. [16:40]
diana_coman: you need to actually look at the topic and start cutting out the scope as it were; cutting it out as neatly as possible out of the whole world with which it is connected, of course. [16:42]
diana_coman: if you try to write solely from within your head, no wonder you find it hard on non-tech: you probably don't have the same depth that you simply get by direct practice on the tech. [16:44]
jfw: huh. how does one go about looking at a topic if it's not already in head? Or would that be the wrong thing to try and rather read more until it is? [16:45]
diana_coman: jfw: it might not be *all* in head yet and then yes, you find you'll need to read more before you can write about it. [16:46]
diana_coman: you start ofc with what you have but that's a starting point [16:46]
diana_coman: and whether you have enough or not depends on how well it covers all the aspects or how many it basically leaves hanging/not even spotted. [16:47]
diana_coman: sure, by the end of it, you'll have it (hopefully) all in head but ..not always at the start too. [16:48]
jfw: so in that case you'd be trying to write on a topic, realize there's something missing, go back to digging, then pick it back up? [16:51]
diana_coman: jfw: say I ask you to write next week an article on Aspasia of Miletus; are you going to just write what you already know? (how much do you know?) [16:51]
jfw: ~0 [16:52]
jfw: I would research it. [16:52]
diana_coman: eh, so I chose it well; precisely. [16:52]
diana_coman: how do you research a topic and when do you decide you researched it enough? [16:52]
diana_coman: if you realise at writing stage that something is missing then yes, you have no choice than to go back and dig, what can you do; but that is rather poor initial plan & research there. [16:53]
diana_coman: jfw: what research did you do for the WoT? [16:55]
jfw: I search the web for references, or ask people who know about it for theirs; and I'm not sure how I'd decide when is enough. The old negative space / unknown unknowns [16:55]
diana_coman: jfw: negative space is not the very same as unknown or even unknown unknowns (so better & rather than /), see the discussion there. [16:57]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-03 12:39:20 diana_coman: dorion: what's the difference between negative space and blind spots? [16:57]
diana_coman: unknown unknowns may be uncovered by considering the negative space, sure; but one term is not shortcut for the other. [16:58]
BingoBoingo: every year sends an increasing portio of my queries to google with the "site:address.tld" operator than without [16:58]
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: that is true for me too, [16:59]
jfw: for the WoT, I re-read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ ; I knew there was http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/ as well, which I'd read at one point but didn't reread on this pass [16:59]
diana_coman: jfw: tsk; and why didn't you re-read it? [17:00]
jfw: I had taken the assignment to be efficiently expressing my own present understanding of the topic, There'd be even more to read in logs too I'm sure, but I wouldn't know where to look or when to stop [17:02]
diana_coman: jfw: but then why did you re-read the first one? :D [17:02]
jfw: haha, thought you might ask as I wrote that. As I recall I had re-read it recently, after you'd first asked me about the topic. Sooo, I suppose because it was fresh in memory; I had an idea of what to look for when consulting it [17:06]
jfw: and yeah I better revisit the negative space discussion too, heh. Thought I'd got the distinction but probably not quite. [17:08]
diana_coman: jfw: mind there that you seem to be quite good at talking yourself into anything you choose really, lol. [17:09]
diana_coman: jfw: how about you re-read those 2 mini-series of your own writing and do a proper analysis there ie extract the theme, structure and scope + look at the result and how good it is? [17:11]
jfw: does that mean getting to the bottom of the WoT topic as well or can this be done just based on the articles themselves? [17:13]
diana_coman: (this should not plunge you into a lot of research this week since you still have to focus on the wallet really) [17:13]
diana_coman: jfw: for now you focus on what you wrote already, so no, not getting to the bottom of the WoT topic just yet. [17:14]
diana_coman: basically a vivisection of what you've got, to see if there are perhaps even obvious missing limbs for instance. [17:15]
jfw: I worry that if I was blind to them at the time I'd still be blind now, but will give it a try [17:16]
diana_coman: jfw: 1. why worry ? 2. do you have/know now the exact structure & scope ie would you be able to just give it now in 1 para for each? [17:17]
jfw: ah, at least after re-reading I surely would [17:18]
diana_coman: eh, after re-reading, yes. [17:18]
jfw: *right* now, I'm not sure I could [17:19]
diana_coman: anyways, it's easy then: do a re-reading tomorrow and extract theme, structure and scope for the road to ossasepia series, write them analytically bullet-point style and then see what you can say about them [17:19]
jfw: cool [17:19]
whaack: diana_coman: Updated our plan per discussion http://younghands.club/2019/11/18/wh-plan-for-week-6-nov-18th-nov-24th/#comment-153 . The past 1.5hours I was eating lunch + coordinating with the desk carpenter. I also went over with him a set of home improvements I need. Now i'm going to tackle the rsync man page. [17:46]
diana_coman: whaack: works. [17:52]
whaack: diana_coman: Should I read the details of rsync via rsync daemon? [18:22]
whaack: nvm, i will read it even though you said to use ssh, the section on rsync daemon is not long. [18:31]
jfw: sounds proper, whaack; daemon mode (or at least knowing the syntax for connecting to one) does come in handy sometimes, it's popular with mirror sites [18:39]
whaack: jfw: mm makes sense [18:39]
thimbronion: whaack: I will send you a gpggram later tonight. [19:11]
whaack: thimbronion: tyvm! [19:11]
thimbronion: whaack: np [19:12]
whaack: asciilifeform: Can I confirm with you that this is an acceptable choice of SSD from Samsung? [20:04]
asciilifeform: whaack: good thing you asked : this one is their shit-unit (4 bits per cell), is fit to stoke furnace. i'ma guess you found it by 'lowest price to the penny' lol. [20:05]
whaack: asciilifeform: Lol good thing indeed, yes I choose the cheapest option under the '860' series [20:06]
asciilifeform: you want 'evo' or (if you're launching into orbit, as i did in 1 box in uy) the costlier (and ~10-20\% longer-lived) 'pro' . [20:06]
asciilifeform: whaack: i oughta have said specifically. apol. to whaack et al & diana_coman for the added log kilometrage from this. [20:07]
asciilifeform: whaack: imho 'pro' cannot be justified in a box that you can easily physically get to & swap disk in. [20:09]
whaack: asciilifeform: Yes. I was just typing that it seems wisest to get evo and just make sure I back it up (as I plan / am assigned to do anyways) [20:10]
asciilifeform: whaack: back up to a traditional mechanical hd. [20:12]
whaack: asciilifeform: Will do and I'll post the hard drive I pick for the purpose. Right now I am using an external Seagate Backup Plus Slim - I picked it off the shelf as I was stuffing bag for CR. [20:19]
whaack: thimbronion: msg securely received. That said I plan to put your addy through the heathen pipes on samsung's website on an order tied to my card. If there's another way you would like me to order the ssd to you, please let me know. For example I can reimburse you with cash here if you'd prefer to order it yourself. [20:26]
thimbronion: whaack: it's fine to use my info [21:53]
whaack: cool [21:54]
jfw: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/21/ossasepia-logs-for-18-Nov-2019#1010606 << he made a valiant effort but didn't quite manage the 30. Beverage was delivered too. [23:13]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-18 14:26:39 dorion: looking forward to delivering the 30 punches and a pinch to grow an inch. [23:13]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-19 17:57:26 diana_coman: you clearly owe him a cerveza for that at least, lol. [23:13]

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