| jfw: | I'm logged up from where I jumped in to present. My pace did pick up after Wednesday, and I found myself engaged. Sometimes I noticed I'd wandered off to composing imaginary responses in my head; I think that's more what happened Wednesday too, as opposed to unrelated daydreaming, and there was also some unscheduled blog reading. | [03:34] |
| jfw: | Now on to the "real" reading (from the top) and I'll see if I can make it a more purposeful thing per http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-20-Sep-2019#1003144 | [03:36] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-20 04:20:16 diana_coman: iirc you had a question re what does it mean to train here - take the question and read the log with this goal ie as you read try to extract and refine gradually the answer to this question | [03:36] |
| jfw: | shrysr: if I followed rightly, http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-21-Sep-2019#1003256 is not surprising - if you aborted before reaching anywhere near 1000000 there'd be no log messages | [03:39] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-21 12:52:32 shrysr: diana_coman: re: lonngg - tbh i aborted after.. ~5 min hehe. but yes. hmm the funny thing was that nothing was written into the file after abort. each loop supposed to curl + append to a file .... so i expected a portion to be there. perhaps due to exec from emacs + org mode rather than terminal. will get back to that | [03:39] |
| jfw: | also perhaps worth pointing out that arithmetic done directly in bash uses fixed-width integers and will overflow, though presumably not on the scale involved here. | [03:43] |
| diana_coman: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-22#1003284 - why not compose those in writing? it can be a way of figuring stuff out (and at any rate, if you write it down, it's out of the way + it's pinned down so it can't shift and a later re-read will tell you if there's anything in there or not) | [03:44] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-22 03:34:01 jfw: I'm logged up from where I jumped in to present. My pace did pick up after Wednesday, and I found myself engaged. Sometimes I noticed I'd wandered off to composing imaginary responses in my head; I think that's more what happened Wednesday too, as opposed to unrelated daydreaming, and there was also some unscheduled blog reading. | [03:44] |
| jfw: | Some I did write in notes; it does sound good to capture more of them | [03:46] |
| shrysr: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-22-Sep-2019#1003289 ty. what exactly happens when the overflow occurs? | [08:00] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-22 03:43:02 jfw: also perhaps worth pointing out that arithmetic done directly in bash uses fixed-width integers and will overflow, though presumably not on the scale involved here. | [08:00] |
| shrysr: | From what little I know - an integer or any data type is allocated a defined amount of memory, differing in each language (?) and by overflow you mean that the space is insufficient to hold the integer? | [08:08] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: specifically: there's a maximum number that you can represent on a given number of bits; one bit can hold only 0 or 1; 2 bits will be enough for 0,1,2,3; n bits are enough for 2^n-1 ; do you know why? | [10:02] |
| diana_coman: | if you try to store a value outside the range that can be represented on that precise number of bits, what happens is overflow/underflow (depending on which side of the available range that value is) | [10:04] |
| diana_coman: | at the very least, on underflow/overflow the given "result" will be rubbish (ie it will be a different value than you expect) | [10:05] |
| diana_coman: | in some cases you can further end up with additional unpredictable effects (eg if the value is written on as many bits as required rather than as many as reserved) | [10:06] |
| shrysr: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-22#1003297 << haaa! i vaguely remembered this from vocational electronics class though i had to look it up just now. base 2 for eg 2^2 (2 bits) can represent 3 (4 incl 0) base 10 numbers as in 00, 01, 10, 11 and the largest number is 11 which translates to base 10 number 3 (converted via 8421 rule). 2^2 -1 = 3 numbers bc integers start from 0, but we count | [11:13] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-22 09:47:12 diana_coman: shrysr: specifically: there's a maximum number that you can represent on a given number of bits; one bit can hold only 0 or 1; 2 bits will be enough for 0,1,2,3; n bits are enough for 2^n-1 ; do you know why? | [11:13] |
| shrysr: | from 1.. | [11:13] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: because binary, yes; and indeed, electronics is the basis, ofc. | [11:33] |
| whaack: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-20#1003127 << argh, I apologize for the noob join/part spam. I left myself connected on my laptop and so the join/leave were either signals of me opening/closing the lid or the random internet reboots there. | [11:58] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-20 02:59:15 diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: ffs, what are you doing there? do I need to kick you out so you set it up properly or what? | [11:58] |
| whaack: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-20#1003125 << I have this. whaack connects through a znc bouncer hosted on pizzaro and my blog http://ztkfg.com/ is also hosted there. | [11:59] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-20 00:52:17 lobbes: damn whaack, dat connection. You ever consider shared hosting with pizarro? Best pipe I've ever experienced in terms of lack of drops (can't remember the last time my auctionbot disconnected) | [11:59] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: the bash-curl-diff thingy is finishedd.. diff is empty for <1mn. It can be called via parameters.. My WP aint letting me upload a .sh file for easy download due to 'security reasons'. is there a workaround ? or upload as txt file.. or leave as it is? | [12:00] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: lolz @ yours and not letting you; but yes, upload it as what it is - a text file after all; tbh I never uploaded non-images via WP | [12:19] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: you can ssh to your vps there, right? just upload it via scp or something | [12:19] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-22-Sep-2019#1003304 - ok, just don't do it again. | [12:22] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-22 11:58:38 whaack: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-20#1003127 << argh, I apologize for the noob join/part spam. I left myself connected on my laptop and so the join/leave were either signals of me opening/closing the lid or the random internet reboots there. | [12:22] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-20 02:59:15 diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: ffs, what are you doing there? do I need to kick you out so you set it up properly or what? | [12:22] |
| shrysr: | yes can ssh and scp and will use that. and ok!! I understand the lolz :( -- shd i look into making it allow .sh? | [12:25] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: only if you actually want to upload executables via wp; the point is not as much that it should allow everything; the point is that if it's yours, then you won't take a no from it. | [12:27] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: ack. I will fix the problem by always using a bouncer and setting up a separate bouncer if needed for travel. | [12:30] |
| diana_coman: | hello thimbronion | [12:30] |
| thimbronion: | Hi diana_coman | [12:31] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: sounds fine; re travel you can also simply disconnect when you are not actually using it; it's not like you have to be "seen connected" or something and you can always keep up with it via the logs. | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: what brings you here? | [12:32] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: Yes. But I knew that I had to disconnect, and I simply forgot to do so. So I would like to "just remember" next time, but I'm not sure I can guarantee that will happen. | [12:33] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: then probably best with a travel-bouncer indeed, yes. | [12:33] |
| thimbronion: | I am here per http://thimbron.com/2019/09/monitoring-the-chinese-news-feed/#comment-4 to ask for help. | [12:33] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: did you read a bit the logs + outreach category ie did you figure out what this is about? | [12:35] |
| thimbronion: | Yes, I read back about 1 week of the logs and read the posts in that category. | [12:36] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: specifically http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-14-Sep-2019#1002518 | [12:37] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-14 09:08:16 diana_coman: have a look around, ask any questions you need to ask and if/when you decide you want to submit to training here, say so. | [12:37] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: 1st question is, am I too old? I am not exactly a young hand at 41. | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: as previously stated in #t, not a problem: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926699 | [12:42] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-08-09 05:06:38 diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926567 -> inquisitive teenagers age irrespective sounds about right (not that I'd turn out a hard-working, knowledgeable adult bent on doing useful work, age irrespective) | [12:42] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-08-09 03:06:11 mp_en_viaje: incidentally, speaking of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926225 : hanbot is taking teenaged / twentysomething females meeting the pizdi bill ; i presume asciilifeform is taking highly intelligent, shy & introverted males age-irrespective, math grad student prototype while diana_coman is taking inquisitive teenagers age irrespective and BingoBoingo latam... fe | [12:42] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: iirc Mocky is in his 60s, still went on expedition etc | [12:43] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: as above, being 41 or any other number is not in itself a problem as fara as I can see. | [12:44] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: in that case, my 2nd question is can you help me figure out if what I am trying to do is worth doing? | [12:44] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: perhaps; if you are applying for training here, I'll first try to get to know you better; if that works out, then yes. | [12:46] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I am applying for training. | [12:48] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: btw, Mocky's really in his 60s?? I thought rather a bit younger, more like 40s-50s. | [12:49] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: so what have you been doing those 41 years? | [12:49] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: Working as a software developer since 2003ish, raising a daughter for roughly the last 9 years. Reading Trilema and the logs for a while. Learning Attic Greek and most recently Chinese. Bitcoining since 2011. | [12:55] |
| diana_coman: | interesting; where in the world are you? | [12:55] |
| thimbronion: | Northern California, Sacramento region. | [12:56] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: so what's with the Chinese link/interest or how did it come to you? | [12:58] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: As a kid I was curious so my mom got me a private teacher. Taught me once a week for a couple of years. Had studied Spanish but wanted to study something completely different. Also always thought Chinese girls were hot. Fast forwar to now, turns out Chinese have lots of influence and cash, seem like good people to have a relationship with. | [13:01] |
| diana_coman: | you know, reading through your last posts, I can see quite a few useful things that you'll probably find interesting too | [13:01] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: are you fluent in Chinese? are you actually looking to move out of the US? | [13:05] |
| diana_coman: | do you have relations/contacts in China? | [13:06] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I am not fluent - maybe low intermediate. I am looking to leave US in the longer term but actually targeting CR. I do intend to travel to China, however. I have a tenuous connection with a translator in mainland China. Working on making it less tenuous. Currently the problem is extracting her direct contact info from my local contact and then paying her directly rather than through an | [13:09] |
| thimbronion: | intermediary. | [13:09] |
| diana_coman: | not bad; why specifically CR? | [13:10] |
| diana_coman: | by the sounds of it CR will be tmsr-colonised in short order | [13:10] |
| thimbronion: | 1. I can speak spanish at sort of a low intermediate level. 2. Residency requirements are reasonable. 3. I like that I can escape the heat at higher altitudes. | [13:12] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: ok but what do you plan to do in CR? | [13:13] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: Mostly just not be in the US. I work remotely, and would likely continue to do so there. I should say that although I am in the process of getting my residency there (actually going there to get my id in Nov.) My plans for how to actually move down there are very vague. | [13:16] |
| whaack: | thimbronion: Which method are you using to get residency? And where in CR have you been? | [13:18] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: what are you working on at this job? | [13:18] |
| thimbronion: | whaack: rentista status. | [13:18] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: web development, full stack. | [13:19] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: also I am a consultant so it's not really a job. | [13:19] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I have to go afk for a bit. Will bbl. | [13:21] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: k, we'll talk then some more. | [13:21] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-22-Sep-2019#1003334 - what is it exactly that you are trying to do? | [15:46] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-22 12:44:55 thimbronion: diana_coman: in that case, my 2nd question is can you help me figure out if what I am trying to do is worth doing? | [15:46] |
| thimbronion: | whaack: Mostly San Jose. Visited Atenas and Escazu. Did excursions to Arenal and Manuel Antonio. | [17:21] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: this is my attempt to explain what I want to do and why: http://thimbron.com/2019/09/preparing-to-join-ossasepia/ | [17:25] |
| whaack: | thimbronion: cool. i've been to San Jose a few times but otherwise I've almost always been on the west coast in Guanacaste. I may ask questions later about the rentista status. From my understanding it is difficult if you're doing software contract work, since you can't easily prove that that is a "steady source of income" | [17:25] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: hm, we'll need to come back to that then as it's not all that clear esp re "why"; what's the "bitcoining since 2011" mean exactly? | [17:28] |
| thimbronion: | whaack: I had my lawyer sign a letter with some magic words about my income - it was enough to get my application approved. I am working with some local immigration lawyers that are familiar with the process. | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | that sounds actually like a sensible way to go about it. | [17:29] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: Bitcoining means owning bitcoin, figuring out how to hold it securely, reading about it constantly. | [17:30] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: how come you found your way here only now though? or what gives? | [17:32] |
| diana_coman: | by "here" I mean tmsr. | [17:32] |
| thimbronion: | I used to hang out in #bitcoin-assets under another nick, but I fucked up with my gpg key and had to leave. | [17:33] |
| diana_coman: | how/what did you fuck up there? | [17:33] |
| whaack: | thimbronion: heh makes sense. hearing your success story is encouraging | [17:34] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I signed this: http://63.80.184.72/shared/agree.txt.asc | [17:37] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: lol; why/how did you end up doing that anyway? | [17:38] |
| diana_coman: | it can easily serve for a clear example of "be explicit, never implicit". | [17:39] |
| whaack: | lmao. what is the significance of a signature on a blank "I agree"? Other than it appears dumb, it doesn't really hold one to an obligation or anything..no? | [17:40] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I didn't understand the implications of signing such a document. | [17:41] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: would you let me talk to the man for a bit. | [17:41] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I had even read the gpg contracts piece on Trilema. | [17:41] |
| diana_coman: | whaack: re your question: think of it as a blank cheque machine (ie any number of copies anyone may want) | [17:42] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: the background was I was attempting to get my credits for writing a qntra piece. | [17:42] |
| whaack: | whaack: would you let me talk to the man for a bit. < yes, i'll excuse my questions until later. | [17:43] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: ok, but why "had to leave"; I mean yes, you obv needed to learn some more + get born again (new key) but as long as lesson fully learnt, what's the trouble | [17:45] |
| diana_coman: | worth noting that there is potentially the hanging question of what was learnt, since/if it's not publicly stated anywhere | [17:46] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I felt extremely embarrased. That said, I created a new account immediately called thortron - you can see in the logs. I just did know how proceed. It was all very embarrassing. | [17:47] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: that is indeed the hanging question and well deserving of a writeup. It as yet does not exist. | [17:48] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: aha; as to embarrassing sure but you know, better go through it then and there rather than living with it for whatever many years afterwards; anyway, /me will read the old logs; what's your actual name? | [17:51] |
| thimbronion: | Adam Thorsen | [17:51] |
| diana_coman: | nice to meet you; somehow for all the coolness of nicknames, I find I'd much rather use people-names. | [17:52] |
| thimbronion: | Nice to meet you as well. | [17:53] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: did you always work as web dev full stack ? what did you like about it anyway? | [17:54] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I don't particularly enjoy it. I did not always - for a few years I worked for the DoD prototyping various research projects. I then moved to the SF Bay area and started doing web dev for my own and other startups. It is a role I sort of fell into and did not actively seek. | [17:59] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: what did that prototyping involve? and what do you actually enjoy? | [18:02] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: For example, one prototype I worked on that was unclassified involved encrypting portions of documents at different classification levels. | [18:05] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: as for what I actually enjoy it's mostly learning and speaking foreign languages. | [18:07] |
| BingoBoingo: | thimbronion: Welcome back | [18:08] |
| thimbronion: | Thanks BingoBoingo. | [18:09] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: what's that bitmessage thing and who is "we" from "gernika: Yes it's compatible. It runs pybitmessage in the background without the qt UI (we made our own UI). Yes there are plans for a cross platform client, but that's a ways off. " ? | [18:10] |
| BingoBoingo: | diana_coman: Bitmessage was a sort of "rebuild irc on a blockchain with ~2 week history limit" | [18:12] |
| diana_coman: | I see; but still quite curious re thimbronion's own description of it. | [18:13] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I had contributed some work to a distributed market called Bitmarkets: https://voluntarylabs.org/bitmarkets/. The we is the other people working on it. There is a wiki article that lists the main dev if interested. | [18:13] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: Bitmessage was a python based distributed messaging platform that "charged" users with CPU time to send messages. The details are very vague for me at this point. | [18:15] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: understand that people you are working with *are* important, yes; you know, atm this is btw your main problem to solve ie get to build some actual trust with people around here esp if you want to China. | [18:16] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: link to that wiki article? or list of names please | [18:17] |
| diana_coman: | voluntarylabs as a name, ugh; I suppose frogs, mice and rats "voluntary" for the labs, I can see it. | [18:18] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: Steve Dekorte is the main dev. I've tried to get him into Trilema, but he is not interested in any way. He can't read it. https://infogalactic.com/info/Bitmarkets. | [18:20] |
| BingoBoingo: | initially read that last name as "Depakote"x01 | [18:21] |
| diana_coman: | "Bitmarkets operates over the Tor anonymity network" , oh boy. | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: ok; but how did you know /fall in with those guys? | [18:22] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman The other dev was Rich Collins, who I occasionally do consulting work for. There is a designer based in the UK that also contributed - blanking on the name. | [18:22] |
| diana_coman: | as to "can't read trilema" well, that's their problem really. | [18:23] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: yes I have not worked on the project for some time and I don't think it's actively being developed. I was unable to persuade him that Tor was bs. | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | for future readers, the list of authors bitmarkets+bitmessage reads: steve dekorte, rich collins, adam thorsen, chris robertson. | [18:24] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I met Steve through Rich. I met Rich at the first Ycombinator thing in Boston. We moved to California together and worked on a startup. | [18:24] |
| diana_coman: | ycombinator, oh my. | [18:25] |
| thimbronion: | oh yes. | [18:25] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose I'll end up liking you just for surviving *that many* idiocies. | [18:25] |
| thimbronion: | I disavow ycombinator. I disavow PG. | [18:26] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: not bad for a start for sure | [18:27] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: any more things you'd rather disavow? | [18:27] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I disavow ruby on rails. Although I still pay some bills with it. I disavow the USG. | [18:29] |
| thimbronion: | I disavow California. | [18:29] |
| diana_coman: | ha; what did California do? | [18:29] |
| thimbronion: | It charged me a shit ton of income tax. Made it hard to carry guns, hosts Silicon Valley, and has become largely a one-party state. | [18:31] |
| asciilifeform: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-22#1003409 << this appears to be empty btw | [18:33] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-22 18:04:23 thimbronion: diana_coman: Steve Dekorte is the main dev. I've tried to get him into Trilema, but he is not interested in any way. He can't read it. https://infogalactic.com/info/Bitmarkets. | [18:33] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: I could load the page | [18:33] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: it loads, but i see a 'There is currently no text in this page.' | [18:34] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: well, it ...did what it could! but yes, I see your point there; so how about that startup? how did it go, do you still work with that guy? | [18:34] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: I saw it but on the public toilet, perhaps that's why/some shit | [18:34] |
| asciilifeform: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-22#1003415 << afaik after the 2014 trials, the only folx who 'remain unpersuaded' are the pushers (e.g. usg honeypot operators) | [18:35] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-22 18:08:19 thimbronion: diana_coman: yes I have not worked on the project for some time and I don't think it's actively being developed. I was unable to persuade him that Tor was bs. | [18:35] |
| thimbronion: | asciilifeform, diana_coman: https://imgur.com/a/hir4LTf | [18:36] |
| diana_coman: | I honestly don't know why would one spend the time to persuade the stubborn; maybe only the stubborn-they-loved-otherwise but well, how many of those already. | [18:36] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: nm, it was the '.' in the link | [18:37] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I do not work with Steve. I may do consulting work for Rich in the future. | [18:38] |
| thimbronion: | Oh the designer's name should be Chris Robinson. | [18:38] |
| thimbronion: | He does this: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvrLvII5oxSWEMEkszrxXEA | [18:41] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: but how did it go then from working on a startup with him to may do consulting work for him? | [18:44] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: you know, reading from old logs, I think you should write what you figured out in the end re WoT | [18:47] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: Our startup was dumb and went nowhere. We then worked on some other dumb startups for a guy named Sunil Bhargava. These went nowhere. Steve knew a guy named Dru who worked for a company called Brightroll. Dru gave Rich a contract that eventually became pretty large. Meanwhile the yc startup I had been working for had been almost completely digested by Motorola - I was working day to day | [18:48] |
| thimbronion: | with mostly Indians. Rich had an opening so I took it. | [18:48] |
| thimbronion: | Dru Nelson. | [18:49] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I will write. | [18:49] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: and do you run now your own consultancy business or what? | [18:49] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I have an LLC that I work through. I don't have any of my own clients. I go through a real consultancy based in Minneapolis called Livefront. | [18:52] |
| diana_coman: | uhm, how is your consultancy not "a real consultancy"? | [18:53] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I do not go out and find clients. I don't work directly with clients. Mostly - I did for about a year in 2018. That company was called txt2give. | [18:54] |
| diana_coman: | I see; and meanwhile found in old logs the more detailed story too, so it makes sense. | [18:55] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: iirc you made an eulora account too? | [18:58] |
| thimbronion: | I did. | [18:58] |
| diana_coman: | did you play? or did you get stuck on the mac-os trouble or what? | [18:59] |
| thimbronion: | I was able to log on - I didn't play much. I had eye surgury around the time I first got on. I am actually not that into games though, and didn't get back into it after my eyes healed. I was kind of interested in storing some money in Eulora's in-game currency. | [19:01] |
| shrysr: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-22-Sep-2019#1003299 << hope its okay to ask atm - given the unpredictability, are specific safe-guards built so that this never happens? it sorta sounds like such an overflow cd even be used maliciously? | [19:03] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-22 10:06:59 diana_coman: in some cases you can further end up with additional unpredictable effects (eg if the value is written on as many bits as required rather than as many as reserved) | [19:03] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: in Ada yes (ie your program will die on the spot); not everywhere though; and yes, it is precisely a very common exploitable hole. | [19:04] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: your lengthy but curiously sterile history cuts both ways here to such extent that I can't quite say how come so long around here and so little to show for it; write those 2 posts that came about and let's see how it goes. | [19:09] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: ok.. i was thinking abt banks and other applications with v. large numbers, and how they would account for it... as a generic system when they dont always know before-hand how big the number would be.. So the coder shd always know how the language / library accounts for under/overflow i presume? shd i be reading up on this? | [19:12] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: questions? | [19:15] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: the two posts being 1) what I figured out re: WoT and 2) http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-22#1003367 why do I want to publish news coming out of China and likbez in Chinese? | [19:17] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-22 17:12:17 diana_coman: thimbronion: hm, we'll need to come back to that then as it's not all that clear esp re "why"; what's the "bitcoining since 2011" mean exactly? | [19:17] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: the way you state it is way too open-ended to meaningfully attack; ie you can "read up on this" until the end of days really; the coder should know and esp should take the time to make sure no-overflow/underflow - when one relies on a pile of shit, this becomes de facto impossible; hence: don't rely on a pile of shit is just about the core of it. | [19:17] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: 1 yes; 2 no, it's http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-22-Sep-2019#1003386 | [19:18] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-22 17:46:10 diana_coman: worth noting that there is potentially the hanging question of what was learnt, since/if it's not publicly stated anywhere | [19:18] |
| diana_coman: | re China fwiw there would be quite an opening there but before you can meaningfully work directly on that, you need essentially a better WoT presence; so I'd say continue with your preliminary work of building up contacts for now. | [19:19] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I am not clear on the difference between these two topics. Can you clarify? | [19:19] |
| diana_coman: | it's not as much about "news" but rather way more concrete stuff, if you make it all the way there. | [19:19] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: one focuses on what the WoT is, how it works and why (see the cannonical trilema.com ref + revisit the old explanations/discussion in the logs if you need to); two is about your specific mistake, how and why you fucked up + what you learnt from it; they are related ofc but not exactly the same thing and the focus is different (the wot; you) | [19:22] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: Got it. Thanks. | [19:22] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: np; when do you think you'll have them done? | [19:22] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I feel like I could write up the fuckup by say Weds. Regarding the WoT, it depends on the level of detail required. I could see myself spending a lot of time on that without some sort of constraints. | [19:25] |
| diana_coman: | shrysr: and once you finally get yourself on top of the current still-standing pile - ahem - of tasks, you'll get to see exactly how it's done properly for very long numbers that are not known upfront (and don't even fit in the standard types) - ie. asciilifeform's FFA | [19:26] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: so write then first the fuckup thing; by Weds if you say that's enough time; think of what constraints would bring the WoT piece to something manageable over a 1-2 weeks term and state those/ask. | [19:28] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: Ok will do. | [19:29] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: cool; and ask if stuck/unsure. | [19:29] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: ok I will. | [19:30] |
| diana_coman: | goes to sleep.x01 | [19:30] |
| shrysr: | diana_coman: good night! | [19:32] |
| shrysr: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-22-Sep-2019#1003474 << i'm on it and def will. | [19:32] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-22 19:26:24 diana_coman: shrysr: and once you finally get yourself on top of the current still-standing pile - ahem - of tasks, you'll get to see exactly how it's done properly for very long numbers that are not known upfront (and don't even fit in the standard types) - ie. asciilifeform's FFA | [19:32] |
| whaack: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-22#1003383 <-- but the differences is a blank check is signed and then someone can take the signed blank check, and write in the amount to send and who to send it to, and then this cannot be distinguished from a genuine check made out to that person for this amount. But no one can append anything to thimbronion's signature on the words "I agree" So when one reads this signed me | [19:44] |
| whaack: | ssage one thinks: "well..thimbronion agrees to what? since he doesn't specify, this is a blank agreement to anything, which is worthless, and thus should be ignored" so the only damage done is the key signing "I agree" looks quite silly | [19:44] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-22 17:26:48 diana_coman: whaack: re your question: think of it as a blank cheque machine (ie any number of copies anyone may want) | [19:44] |
| whaack: | diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1001998 <<>> http://ztkfg.com/2019/09/past-tmsr-work-potential-future-tmsr-work/ | [20:15] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-11 13:13:17 diana_coman: whaack: maybe make a summary with any tmsr-related things that you did so far and otherwise any tmsr parts/items you find interesting | [20:15] |
| lobbes: | whaack: re: blank check message: as you say, because of the history of that key's output, anyone reading future output of that key now has the added cost of needing to decide if to ignore said output. The trust of that key drops as a consequence. Some may decide it is just cheaper to ignore ALL output from the key as a cost-saving rule. | [20:29] |
| lobbes: | Not only that, but just because whaack evaluates "blank agrees to anything = void" doesn't mean someone else will (or that they won't try to use it as leverage for something or other). That also increases the cost for everyone else dealing with that key (who know *what* that key might be agreeing to somewhere in the world) | [20:29] |
| asciilifeform: | whaack: imho pretty good piece. and btw if you end up taking up #5, i invite you to join #asciilifeform also, and dun hesitate to ask q's as you do the homeworks | [20:59] |
| billymg: | hiya diana_coman! | [21:51] |
| billymg: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002793 << can add billymg to this list, quit the day i moved to texas and haven't had the slightest inclination to start back up since | [21:52] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-16 14:05:30 lobbes: whaack_pura_vida: I was a heavy pothead for about a decade. I still will probably smoke it again ~someday~ (I still have some in my apartment, in fact), but I live alone these days and have not even had the desire to touch it for last coupla months | [21:52] |
| whaack: | heya billymg. I wound up closing this lease on my last day in my week long CR trip http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002988 | [21:54] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-18 17:11:21 whaack_pura_vida: diana_coman: house hunting was going poorly as of this morning, but now i have a lead on a place owned by a tica w/ an ocean view for 50/mo + utilities. | [21:54] |
| billymg: | whaack: congrats! | [21:54] |
| billymg: | tamarindo? | [21:55] |
| whaack: | thank you! it is actually only 00/month. it's a humble studio apartment, but it has an A+ view and the beach is my backyard | [21:56] |
| billymg: | i'm close on mine, a few more weeks hopefully, it's inland a bit but the closest beach would be tamarindo iirc | [21:56] |
| whaack: | Great, I'd be happy to help if you need someone in person to check stuff out. I'll be back by the end of October. | [21:58] |
| billymg: | nice, will keep it in mind. i planning on maybe making it down for a quick trip in mid-october, but more likely will be down in january when i'm actually ready to move | [22:00] |
| whaack: | asciilifeform: tyvm. will do re joining #asciilifeform and asking ffa related questions there. | [22:02] |
| whaack: | billymg: the place is about 30 mins south of tamarindo | [22:06] |
| billymg: | whaack: cool cool | [22:10] |
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