| diana_coman: | thimbronion: well done. | [03:15] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: noted, thanks. | [03:22] |
| jfw: | diana_coman: I've caught up on the week's log, and in backlog reading I've made it to Aug 1. Lots of good stuff in there; I haven't been summarizing really, but at least clipping parts for future reference. | [04:37] |
| jfw: | The most specifically enlightening so far regarding my main question have been these lines | [04:38] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-07-30 10:59:00 diana_coman: shrysr: so you know, leave that part to me since you want to learn with me: stick to what I set for you to do and only that; write anything "new and shiny" in the "I might be interested in this" but do NOT just follow it blindly | [04:38] |
| jfw: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/19/ossasepia-logs-for-01-Aug-2019#999871 - I'd better note that my own (homemade) client doesn't notify on mentions; I'll have to decide whether to implement or get something else set up | [04:43] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-08-01 11:26:00 diana_coman: shrysr: doesn't your irc client notify in any way when your name is said? it should, set it up properly. | [04:43] |
| jfw: | I got my blog back up, now without the extra complexity of gatewaying: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/ , 198.199.70.97 | [04:46] |
| jfw: | Running on a CentOS 6 VPS with stock "yum install mysql-server php php-mysql httpd", seems to work fine so far. | [04:47] |
| jfw: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-13-Oct-2019#1006214 - so far httpd is behaving as documented in the manual, unlike on gentoo; though it's apache 2.2 which isn't quite compatible with 2.4 in config directives. | [04:53] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-13 16:32:50 BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I do not at the moment, if centos requires a magic incantation others don't. Ended up building apache and php from source, whatever solution I produce will almost certainly not be applicable for whatever retardation they customize their httpd with | [04:53] |
| jfw: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-12-Oct-2019#1005694 - perhaps I can answer this minor mystery: fstab, being located on the root filesystem, cannot be referenced in order to first mount the root filesystem. Thus it has to figure it out somehow. The ext code (not sure where) tries different versions until finding one with the needed feature set. So the "feature incompatibilities" warning, | [05:00] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-12 05:59:47 diana_coman: I don't get why it's trying to mount it as ext3; fstab clearly say ext4 for /dev/sda2, ugh | [05:00] |
| jfw: | while ugly, doesn't in itself indicate a problem. Something in userspace then has to come remount according to fstab - that'd be the missing init.d/root script. | [05:00] |
| jfw: | (Though if you bake an initrd, you can have it find the root disk however you want.) | [05:04] |
| diana_coman: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-14-Oct-2019#1006232 - yes, this is so, after that I went and read the docs which said exactly that. | [09:02] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-14 05:00:51 jfw: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-12-Oct-2019#1005694 - perhaps I can answer this minor mystery: fstab, being located on the root filesystem, cannot be referenced in order to first mount the root filesystem. Thus it has to figure it out somehow. The ext code (not sure where) tries different versions until finding one with the needed feature set. So the "feature incompatibilities" warning, | [09:02] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: what's your plan though because if you've made it to Aug 1, there are stil more than 2 months of logs and at this rate it's unclear you'll get to even read it all any time soon, lol. | [09:03] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: what did you write your irc client in? | [09:04] |
| asciilifeform: | waves to diana_coman | [12:00] |
| diana_coman: | ohai asciilifeform ; how's the bmore /dc stuff ? | [12:01] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: no word yet. i'ma call'em again today. | [12:01] |
| diana_coman: | I kind of suspect they don't really want the biz | [12:01] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: i figure, they'll have to say ~sumthing~ tho. | [12:01] |
| diana_coman: | if they pick up, yes, lol | [12:02] |
| asciilifeform: | indeed | [12:02] |
| diana_coman: | atm I fired up a few more emails to south africans this time; they *seem* at least less stuck up re account, will see | [12:02] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: i'm reluctant to simply set the bozo bit w/out prodding'em, it appears to be the only dc within range of asciilifeform's hands | [12:03] |
| diana_coman: | sure, nothing to lose; do probe to exhaustion. | [12:03] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: update : got a this, rather similar to what you got from that eu isp. answer'd 'would like to get in writing what precisely happens during a ddos that gets past your 'protection' '. then asked to set up voice call, lessee where goes. | [13:14] |
| asciilifeform: | '95-th percentile' == 36 hours / mo of 'unbillable' peak traffic. the q is what happens during e.g. 40hr flood. | [13:15] |
| jfw: | diana_coman: technically less than 2 months (of log to get through) as I've followed since Sep 14, but your point stands. I'm at a loss re plan, logically I gotta either get more efficient or make more time. I have improved on both so far, fwiw. I'll try to come up with something more concrete. | [13:44] |
| jfw: | irc client is in python 2.7, with VT100 interface | [13:46] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: looking at it overall, I quite suspect you are not all that used to cutting straight to the heart of the matter really; and this might not be all that great for this sort of situation | [13:53] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: what are your doubts anyway as you didn't make them public anywhere, did you? | [13:53] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=MRFB | [14:03] |
| asciilifeform: | ty diana_coman , i'ma try nao | [14:04] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: uploading 'r2' . is there a url i can point people to where will show up ? | [14:07] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: not atm; not fully sure how best to set this up | [14:08] |
| diana_coman: | obv, I should set it up one way or another | [14:09] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: is it any faster than to loper-os? | [14:09] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: afaik simplest method is to give apache a vhost entry where the ftp's homedir is the / | [14:09] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: can't say yet, my ftp client dun show progress. timing it by hand. | [14:10] |
| diana_coman: | I guess so (re vhost); I'll add it to list for later today | [14:11] |
| asciilifeform: | ty diana_coman | [14:11] |
| jfw: | diana_coman: I didn't, but can if you'd like. The only one still vaguely standing is: "what does submission here really mean?" i.e., do I know what I'm getting myself into. I surmise that can't really be known for certain, and then I think I've got a pretty good picture already | [14:12] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: what are you afraid of there? because that's what the above actually says. | [14:12] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: actually pretty good : 1700 kB/s. | [14:17] |
| asciilifeform: | (uploaded.) | [14:17] |
| jfw: | hmm. what comes to mind is, whether I can handle the pressure. But I figure I should trust you to judge that. | [14:19] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: not bad; at any rate, it should be useful at least as mirror if nothing else; good. | [14:19] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: it's quite fast, and ty for the mirror. lemme know when you get a chance to set up readability for it. | [14:19] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: you need to communicate more though; I can't see at this distance and (at least so far), you've been rather...closed, let's say. | [14:20] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: I'll ping you when it's done, yes; and np. | [14:20] |
| diana_coman: | jfw: how much time do you/did you spend weekly on this log-catch up thing anyway? | [14:21] |
| jfw: | diana_coman: okay... I am pretty introverted, I've long found it takes me time to 'open up'. Let me check re log. | [14:26] |
| jfw: | about 9 hrs last week and 6 this week | [14:29] |
| jfw: | got a bit distracted this week following the pizarro happenings | [14:31] |
| jfw: | (~8 hrs reading #trilema log) | [14:32] |
| jfw: | Gotta head to saltmine shortly but I'll be free tomorrow. | [14:33] |
| diana_coman: | hm, ok. | [14:39] |
| jfw: | Back from the mines - wherein I'm teaching some computing noobs how to operate civilized machines. Five weeks ago they didn't know 'ls' from 'cd', now they've configured tty baudrates and compiled their first kernel. | [21:00] |
| jfw: | It gives me some perspective as to, yes, you gotta do as teacher says: because if not, for example, you're liable to get lost in the jungle of premature lines of inquiry | [21:02] |
| jfw: | I'm glad to be doing this as opposed to, say, "making apps" to keep dumbasses dumb; but it's still saltmining in the sense that it's for pay and I'd rather be... here | [21:05] |
| jfw: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-14-Oct-2019#1006276 - while this is part of it, I don't want to hide behind it like "oh, just the way I am, no further exploration possible" | [21:08] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-14 14:26:17 jfw: diana_coman: okay... I am pretty introverted, I've long found it takes me time to 'open up'. Let me check re log. | [21:08] |
| jfw: | I think there's some subconscious 'towards-purposing' in it: that I want people to like me and thus worry too much about what I say, with obvious result that they don't know what to think. I'd like to believe I'm an inner-directed type who doesn't care, but can't deny that I do, at least for SOME people - including diana_coman | [21:15] |
| jfw: | For example I had a chat with shryser the other day, who's just as much if not more of a stranger, and didn't have trouble being open. "Because I didn't care nearly as much" - seems to fit. | [21:20] |
| jfw: | *I didn't have trouble | [21:20] |
| jfw: | whereas upon http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-14-Sep-2019#1002507 , what went through my head was "eek, I'm messing up already!" | [21:24] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-14 05:03:13 diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-14-Sep-2019#1002492 - if by "build system" you mean autoconf and make and all that shit, uhm; if you want to do something useful in this direction of builds, you should install cuntoo | [21:24] |
| jfw: | (and to revisit the content of the above - yes, my object was to find a version most amenable to ripping out the autoconf; which I've deferred figuring that having SOME working blog, even if by mystery package manager, is better than none.) | [21:29] |
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