| diana_coman: | rekt_: привет! are you in Russia? | [03:15] |
| rekt_: | No, that is one of my languages | [03:15] |
| rekt_: | Russian ftw | [03:16] |
| diana_coman: | rekt_: what other languages do you speak then? | [03:17] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: ah, your blog is with pizarro too, sigh; I'll look at the paste later today | [03:18] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: at a quick look: 1. you really need to practice saying things *in your own words*; 2. when you go "how is x different from y" the answer should take the shape of "x is this way while y is that way" for various "way" | [03:21] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: lolz, you have two 1; re first paragraph of your summary - you don't merely replace the mushroom metaphor, you outright change the subject there! your first paragraph betrays a "wtf, I have no idea what this is" re the first original paragraph | [03:23] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: and instead of struggling to figure out what the author actually says there, you trim and chop it to fit your pre-existing thoughts | [03:23] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: as I said it before to shrysr , so it applies to you: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-27-Sep-2019#1004132 | [03:25] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-27 15:51:51 diana_coman: shrysr: when you read something it should be a lot more the *other* way around - you may look at how you fit the description there (even how you change to fit the description there) and certainly NOT "how to change the description to fit me" | [03:25] |
| diana_coman: | rekt_: don't be shy; the more you engage and interact, the better for you really; and who knows what comes out of it. | [03:27] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: a review (as well as quite a few other things actually, god dammit it) has a structure too, you know? you don't just plonk "this is dog" and then put there whatever went on in your mind. | [10:52] |
| diana_coman: | *before* you are allowed to publish words you should *know what the fuck you want to say* | [10:53] |
| diana_coman: | sure, you can write 1mn drafts and work your way in writing to understanding | [10:53] |
| diana_coman: | but they are not going to be called summaries for that, no matter how many times you introduce them as such | [10:54] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: you know, if you *have to say* "this is a summary/review/dog", chances are very, very high that it's precisely because it is...not yet a summary/review/dog | [10:55] |
| diana_coman: | you should get some slop for dinner, served with a very nice label "this is cordon bleu"; see what that does for you. | [10:58] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: there are several ways you can structure your review, sure; but structure it you must; if it's just "something that grew", it's the above slop. | [11:01] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: do the simplest of structures: start with the goal (you're reviewing your own summary as an exercise and as a needed step to be able to improve on next attempt) overall conclusion (it sucks on aspect A, B, C; there is perhaps D that sort of works but fails short on E etc) and then take each of those aspects and detail them | [11:05] |
| diana_coman: | at the end, you can add then the discussion as to why each fail, sure; it's basically part of fulfilling that original goal of the exercise. | [11:07] |
| diana_coman: | but note that a review in itself is *not concerned* with whatever excuses; it's concerned with evaluating the thing reviewed, as it stands, that's all. | [11:10] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: on the irc task: what's your current plan re talking to them? | [11:14] |
| rekt_: | Hi. Sorry, a little busy | [11:51] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: My plan is to start at the top of the list, find out who is in charge of administering the network and state the facts, document response. I would prefer to wait until my blog is back up so I can have mp's and your comments more freshly in mind before going in. If my blog is not back by tonight I will go in tomorrow without it. | [11:53] |
| thimbronion: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-07-Oct-2019#1004751 << I will rewrite review by EOD Sunday. | [12:03] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-07 11:05:12 diana_coman: thimbronion: do the simplest of structures: start with the goal (you're reviewing your own summary as an exercise and as a needed step to be able to improve on next attempt) overall conclusion (it sucks on aspect A, B, C; there is perhaps D that sort of works but fails short on E etc) and then take each of those aspects and detail them | [12:03] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: all right; mind you state the goal in your *own words* + ask if stuck/lost again, yes? | [12:04] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: How do I know some words are my own? | [12:05] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: practice; try restating that goal-statement in at least 3 ways. | [12:05] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: some words are your own if you a. know exactly what they mean b. know exactly why you chose to use *each of them* to say whatever you are saying | [12:06] |
| diana_coman: | it's not enough to say "I agree with X's statement" | [12:06] |
| diana_coman: | that is at best a sort of passive understanding of a thing and it's *not enough* | [12:06] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: say something | [12:16] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I know I have questions but I don't think they'll be clear to me until I try the restatement exercise. | [12:17] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: all right; how about http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-07-Oct-2019#1004754 ? | [12:19] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-07 11:14:23 diana_coman: thimbronion: on the irc task: what's your current plan re talking to them? | [12:19] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-07-Oct-2019#1004756 | [12:19] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-07 11:53:37 thimbronion: diana_coman: My plan is to start at the top of the list, find out who is in charge of administering the network and state the facts, document response. I would prefer to wait until my blog is back up so I can have mp's and your comments more freshly in mind before going in. If my blog is not back by tonight I will go in tomorrow without it. | [12:19] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: re your blog yes, ugh; we will have to wait and sort it out first indeed, for several reasons; re plan though: you just need to go to their admin chan or whatever and *ask* who is in charge + talk, that's all. | [12:21] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: can you expand more on talk? | [12:22] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: what's the unclear part there? you know, like every time you go to a new place, you say hello and where you're coming from + why you are there + asking who should you be talking to if not there/them; let them answer, answer the challenges etc | [12:25] |
| diana_coman: | re coming from - TMSR in this case, hopefully that much is clear | [12:25] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: I wasn't clear on the difference between "stating the facts" and talking. | [12:27] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: talking involves actually interacting with the other party ie reacting as well as stating the facts | [12:27] |
| diana_coman: | several steps. | [12:28] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: Is there a particular link that would be best in this context for giving to administrators who are curious about TMSR? | [12:28] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: in this particular context I'd give them the logger really with direct statement that look, we have several very active and lively chans + infrastructure and all | [12:29] |
| diana_coman: | and invite them to join to find out more, sure, why not | [12:29] |
| diana_coman: | come and talk to us directly, why not | [12:29] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: hm yes, this makes much sense. | [12:29] |
| diana_coman: | you can ofc give basic explanations, there's the main forum #trilema and then various castles covering different aspects, it's growing etc | [12:30] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: in that case I would definitely like to wait until we figure out what is going on in uy. Definitely don't want to send them to a dead link. | [12:31] |
| diana_coman: | but realise that you are giving them the crumbs to follow and that because you are kind hearted pretty much; you are specifically *not* explaining yourself to them because they have no such claim over you, nor can they have it | [12:31] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: well, you can always send them to my logger that is fine and well ofc; but anyways, yes, I'd wait a bit for now to get out of the pizmess first, one way or another | [12:32] |
| diana_coman: | rekt_: up to you really but note that 1. no opportunity lasts forever 2. busy may be at one time or another, but can't quite last for days on end (or you have a very serious problem with your own time management there) | [12:35] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: concerning China, I'm going to ask for some research this week, the result being a list of mainland China based Bitcoin focused blogs with specific, named authors. | [12:35] |
| rekt_: | I have a very rigid daily program | [12:36] |
| diana_coman: | thimbronion: for that matter why not ask re irc/equivalent networks/chans; I have no idea exactly what they have in there | [12:36] |
| rekt_: | breakfast, gym, food, study 20 languages, food, work, gym, food, sleep | [12:36] |
| diana_coman: | rekt_: and so if/when opportunity knocks on your door you say "I have no time because I have a very rigid program" ? | [12:37] |
| diana_coman: | rekt_: *some* slack time has to be part of the most rigid program too; for that matter you are still human, not a robot | [12:37] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: the thought occurred to look for China based IRC networks. I will inquire there as well. This may require some education on the part of my contact. | [12:38] |
| diana_coman: | I mean: it sounds like a very strong will and all that, hopefully it also works well for you; but still. | [12:39] |
| diana_coman: | rekt_: ^ is for you. | [12:39] |
| rekt_: | Yes I don't have time for a relationship | [12:39] |
| rekt_: | Been single for 20 heads | [12:39] |
| rekt_: | 20 years * | [12:39] |
| diana_coman: | rekt_: uhm, if that's your worry, put it to rest, lolz. | [12:39] |
| rekt_: | My life is about long term plan | [12:40] |
| rekt_: | if what is my worry? | [12:40] |
| rekt_: | How weak is a person who complains about the fact | [12:40] |
| rekt_: | Vs a person who sees it as a fact and remains like I am, unaffected? | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | rekt_: if your worry here is geting into a relationship ie time-eating | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | rekt_: neah, you got the wrong end of the stick there, simmer down. | [12:41] |
| rekt_: | Read my last message | [12:41] |
| rekt_: | Maybe you're confused about my personal strength | [12:41] |
| diana_coman: | rekt_: no, I have no idea about your personal strength; but you are talking to your own strawmen there, not to what I said. | [12:41] |
| rekt_: | I addressed my capacity for facing reality, but you insist I am worried | [12:42] |
| rekt_: | Not sure what I'd be worried about | [12:42] |
| diana_coman: | rekt_: not at all, no | [12:42] |
| rekt_: | My only concern is my long term goal | [12:42] |
| rekt_: | Peace out triggered snowflake trumpets | [12:43] |
| diana_coman: | lolz. | [12:44] |
| diana_coman: | can't argue with a man on a very rigid plan, what. | [12:44] |
| diana_coman: | studying 20 languages but being utterly unable to communicate; takes the whole modern autism to another level. | [12:54] |
| bvt: | tbh that sounded a lot like cat-v to me | [12:58] |
| diana_coman: | bvt: how/why's that? | [12:59] |
| bvt: | he insisted on this 'life = long-term plans', but was not really communicating with anyone | [13:01] |
| bvt: | i immediately rememebered one case of mp entering some cat-v-derived channel, with their insistence on 'authority = send us patches', but also not communicating, just repeating the mantra | [13:03] |
| diana_coman: | bvt: in principle single-minded focus to the extreme; he was *very* triggered by some impression that "not strong" though | [13:03] |
| diana_coman: | ah, but that "just repeating the mantra" is precisely the "modern day autism" I mentioned; you'll meet it already if you just say something "out of script" to whatever employee | [13:04] |
| diana_coman: | the multiple lulz here is that he claimed he focused on studying languages of all things; but other than that it's very common really; this "word x -> reply y", no meaning involved, no person really, just an automaton repeating - as you say - mantras | [13:05] |
| bvt: | well, getting easily triggered seems to be highly individual, but extreme singular focus is what distiguishes cat-v for me | [13:06] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw I fished him out of some oftc sad&deserted chan that wasn't however cat-v; can't even recall exactly which one, I did a foray in thimbronion's selection of networks the other day | [13:07] |
| bvt: | looks like one of the manalone 'evolution' direction, should be plenty in all fields (languages or saving unix); and i also wonder, he did not even say what he needs 20 languages for? | [13:10] |
| diana_coman: | bvt: iirc he said something (possibly before coming here) re travelling the world and making money out of vlogging | [13:10] |
| diana_coman: | and sure, in all fields; but learning languages while avoiding communication is so ...divorced of reality that I don't yet have full words for it really. | [13:12] |
| thimbronion: | diana_coman: Is there further instruction on how to proceed with plans/reviews? | [23:14] |
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