#eulora Logs for 06 Jan 2018

January 6th, 2018 by Diana Coman
ReadErr: greetings [03:24]
ReadErr: new player looking to register with mircea_popescu [03:24]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr one sec. [03:24]
ReadErr: sure np [03:25]
ReadErr: burning time @ work anyways ;) [03:25]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vbQgr/?raw=true [03:27]
ReadErr: thanks, still reading things over not got to login part yet [03:28]
mircea_popescu: lol mkay [03:29]
ReadErr: alright think its downloading at the login screen now [04:09]
ReadErr: is the email the one associated with the public key? [04:09]
ReadErr: well I thought it was anyways, it seems to be changing randomly now though [04:12]
ReadErr: oh the paste, forgot [04:12]
danielpbarron: no email, use the username encrypted to your key [04:14]
ReadErr: got it [04:24]
ReadErr: need to figure out how to let it go fullscreen [04:24]
ReadErr: guess avoid using the launcher ? [04:24]
danielpbarron: alt enter [04:25]
danielpbarron: feel free to hack the client tho [04:26]
danielpbarron: you can do everything we can do, but if you wanna level up you'll need to buy skills from other players [04:27]
danielpbarron: or i guess you can technically get skill items without us, but it's not very likely [04:27]
danielpbarron: what's your character name btw? [04:28]
ReadErr: it assigned me one name Eva [04:29]
danielpbarron: are you a girl? [04:29]
danielpbarron: hehe [04:29]
ReadErr: Eva Justicegorge [04:30]
danielpbarron: hahahahah [04:30]
ReadErr: I guess so lol, didnt see a button to make one [04:30]
danielpbarron: yeah you don't get to choose anymore [04:30]
danielpbarron: in the long run it doesn't matter, you can eventually make offspring [04:31]
ReadErr: hmm alt-enter isnt doing it [04:34]
danielpbarron: shrugs [04:34]
ReadErr: lemme try on linux [04:38]
mircea_popescu: these names are fucking epic [04:44]
mircea_popescu: anyway, no idea why he can't just level up like anyone else. [04:45]
ReadErr: used to grinding [04:48]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr the idea is to bot it anyway [04:52]
mircea_popescu: fucks with the character maybe an hour a week's worth. [04:53]
ReadErr: what do the bots do? farm materials? [04:57]
mircea_popescu: anything you want, really. [04:57]
ReadErr: are things generated synthetically ? [05:02]
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ? [05:02]
ReadErr: I mean in terms of materials and items [05:02]
mircea_popescu: yes but ? [05:02]
ReadErr: or are they all predetermined, created and input into the game by a person [05:03]
mircea_popescu: ah ; the latter is the case currently, but temporary. game is moving towards a former system, prolly this year. [05:03]
ReadErr: is this more of an MMO or instance style? [05:05]
mircea_popescu: no fighting implemented currently ; but when it will be, it'll work like old style tbs [05:06]
ReadErr: well I mean in the sense that, do others ingame share the same 'world' [05:07]
mircea_popescu: yes. [05:07]
ReadErr: like could I see danielpbarron [05:08]
ReadErr: gotcha [05:08]
mircea_popescu: only 1 world, no shards no bs [05:08]
ReadErr: was thinking the old diablo style vs mmo [05:08]
mircea_popescu: aha. mmo all teh way. [05:08]
ReadErr: going to take some work to get the mouse feel right for me, always was a stickler for 'feel' [05:29]
diana_coman: ReadErr, fwiw Eulora's cli helps usually a whole lot more than the mouse [09:54]
ReadErr: not got to explore that but it's more native for me [09:55]
ReadErr: is there a guide on it? [09:55]
diana_coman: http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora + the client's help could be a starter (and you can define your own shortcuts anyway) [09:56]
diana_coman: bot anyway had nothing to do with any mouse [09:56]
diana_coman: native is no guarantee of usefulness [09:57]
diana_coman: but everyone is certainly welcome to play as they wish [09:58]
diana_coman: good grief, ~300k for training 1 level in tinkering nowadays [13:09]
diana_coman: come to think about it, yay for the ECu float! [13:09]
danielpbarron: top rank tinkerer problems [13:09]
diana_coman: ahaha, yes danielpbarron [13:10]
danielpbarron: i ranked up mcguyver recently and my bezzle items paid for it :D [13:10]
diana_coman: nice [13:15]
ReadErr: hmm so building from source, am I correct in thinking that cs-forupload needs to be built first? [13:28]
ReadErr: instead of cal3d [13:28]
ReadErr: anyways cal3d was requiring a cssysdef.h which wasnt satisfied without installing nvidia-cs [13:29]
shinohai: ReadErr: what OS were you using again? [13:29]
danielpbarron: you want cal3d first i think [13:29]
ReadErr: linux [13:29]
shinohai: (Same build anyway cal3d is indeed first) [13:29]
danielpbarron: ReadErr, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VJoSX/?raw=true [13:29]
ReadErr: oh bit different, are the directory names/structure hardcoded ? [13:30]
ReadErr: that doc has it renaming to cs [13:30]
danielpbarron: i don't think so [13:30]
shinohai: nah I've always renamed cs-forupload as cs [13:31]
danielpbarron: just a naming convention i picked up years ago [13:31]
ReadErr: ohh i see, the steps after are just renamed too [13:32]
ReadErr: whats the \% at the login screen [13:40]
danielpbarron: ping [13:40]
ReadErr: ah so the \% is quality ? [13:41]
ReadErr: hmmm if its doable over CLI [13:42]
ReadErr: an irc bot interface could be fun [13:42]
danielpbarron: yes i think many people would very much like to have that [13:42]
ReadErr: how text heavy is the cli? [13:42]
danielpbarron: no idea [13:43]
ReadErr: I have code to distribute across n bots [13:43]
ReadErr: to avoid flood thresholds [13:43]
danielpbarron: i don't know i'd want to give my login info to someone else so i'm not sure how that would work [13:47]
lobbesbot: Post from eulora: MiniGame (S.MG), December 2017 Statement <http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-december-2017-statement/> [13:49]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr very much fun, and if you read the logs (see topic), it's often also 32121. [13:53]
mircea_popescu: also there's not going to be a flood threshold in that sense. minigame is very much botter friendly. heck, current CTO started life as player-who-made-a-bot [13:53]
ReadErr: looking over the cmd___ files, is there a native interface for hooking in to it? fifo or tcp? may have not gotten to that point yet [14:09]
ReadErr: never used jam before, but ./configure seems to finish fine without any errors, no Jamfile gets made though so it fails on 'jam' [14:20]
shinohai: ReadErr: Dunno if you are a lisper (or if this even still works) but there is http://explo.yt/post/2016/02/29/Embedded-Common-Lisp-for-Eulora [14:22]
ReadErr: im not, i noticed the foxy directory though and had a look [14:23]
ReadErr: I gotta be missing some dependency, or maybe have a difference file, but theres no AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP in configure.in [14:29]
ReadErr: and its failing on unittest pkg check, i did install libunittest++-dev [14:29]
shinohai: ReadErr: do [14:31]
shinohai: then recompile, will work [14:32]
ReadErr: actually let me blow this directory away and start over, maybe i did something by mistake [14:34]
shinohai: Weirdness, is this an Ubuntu or a proper linux? [14:34]
ReadErr: debian [14:34]
shinohai: oh kk, I used to be pretty stuck on Debian - I did encounter weird errors from time to time. [14:35]
shinohai: For some reason (this was a few yrs back, even!) I had to manually remove the line AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP from the configure.in [14:36]
ReadErr: http://rip.run/gwj [14:38]
ReadErr: im comfortable with debian normally, just strange here [14:38]
ReadErr: thats a fresh untar with just your sed command run [14:38]
ReadErr: are kind of odd.. [14:38]
shinohai: Can you do a double-check for me and see if sed indeed commented out that line? [14:40]
ReadErr: i couldnt find that string at all in configure.in [14:40]
ReadErr: $ grep AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP configure.in [14:41]
ReadErr: $ [14:41]
shinohai: Hmmmmm ....... [14:43]
ReadErr: http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/cal3d.tar.gz [14:44]
ReadErr: using that version [14:44]
shinohai: Oh wait .... this is Debian, so ..... what is your gcc version? [14:46]
ReadErr: 7.2.0 [14:46]
ReadErr: hmm that seems to high [14:47]
shinohai: Indeed .... Last I could build this on was 4.9.3 without a ton of issues. Others results may vary. [14:47]
ReadErr: oh wow, no thats right apparently [14:47]
ReadErr: news to me, didnt know gcc was up in the 7s [14:47]
shinohai: They bolt on more useless shit every year, breaks all the stuff you could build with previous version. [14:48]
shinohai: I'd like to napalm them all. [14:48]
ReadErr: lol yea, it was LTO for me last upgrade [14:48]
ReadErr: did a hail marry and ran 'apt-get install -y make build-essential libssl-dev zlib1g-dev libbz2-dev libreadline-dev libsqlite3-dev wget curl llvm libncurses5-dev libncursesw5-dev xz-utils tk-dev' [14:57]
ReadErr: and something there satisfied unittest (build-essential was already installed) [14:58]
shinohai: madness lol [14:58]
shinohai: Do remember you can always use "update-alternatives" to build with a lower version gcc anytime on Deb/Ubuntu [15:00]
ReadErr: knock one down another pops up, i may just try ubuntu [15:02]
ReadErr: 16.04lts workable? [15:02]
shinohai: Should be, last I tested it worked. [15:03]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr http://logs.minigame.bz/search/?q=AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP >> log also has a search function [15:18]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr 10.04 last anyone seriously tested ; but try and see. [15:19]
diana_coman: I'd be surprised if everything worked with cpp 7 whatever [15:19]
ReadErr: im updating a 16.04 to try now [15:19]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i'd be curious to see specifically if not and what exactly. but yeah. [15:20]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr fwiw republic is pretty much set on gcc 4.x as final gcc. [15:20]
diana_coman: huh, why not just downgrade cpp ReadErr ? [15:20]
ReadErr: +1 [15:20]
ReadErr: 4 is the last I remember [15:20]
ReadErr: then somehow they are on 7 [15:20]
mircea_popescu: wreckers. [15:20]
diana_coman: quantitative easing!!11 [15:21]
ReadErr: diana_coman: didnt want to break anything else (not that it would 100\% but..) [15:21]
shinohai: as I said previously, update-alternatives lets you use older gcc without breakage. [15:22]
diana_coman: it's after all another sort of printolade to borrow alf's term anyway [15:22]
ReadErr: shinohai: yea ive used that for python, I use that machine for other stuff so dont want to tamper with it too much [15:23]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman quite ; delivers the http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122811 neet hope, after a fashion. [15:23]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr if all else fails, danielpbarron cooked together a known-to-work machine, which he sells but i think he published the recipe too. [15:23]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, gah, that stood out so horribly that I even recollect it [15:24]
ReadErr: which distribution is dev work done off of? [15:24]
diana_coman: ReadErr, client is for players to hack /write/chop as they wish so no fixed thing there, can't be [15:24]
mircea_popescu: ReadErr it's not done lol, client is community maintained. we're currently working on a proper api for the server. [15:24]
mircea_popescu: hence all the eucrypt stuff. [15:24]
mircea_popescu: i suppose that made no sense as such, let's try again : [15:25]
mircea_popescu: eulora is a game published by minigame, which is a game publisher listed on mpex (which is the bitcoin stock exchange) ; eulora constits of a server, which is closed, and a client, which is open. minigame has mostly been dedicated to fixing the server first ; client work is very much open in the sense of -- everyone is welcome to run with their own client ; there's been some push to get a text-only client going, etc. the idea [15:26]
mircea_popescu: is to get the server in enough of a shape to have a proper api for it so the foregoing can proceed in earnest, which is what minigame's doing atm. [15:26]
ReadErr: saw the lisp project but, is there a better way to interact with the CLI (fifo buffer or tcp)? [15:29]
shinohai: I was recalling about a year ago or so was it, trying to help thestringpuller with the gcc thing ... 'twas worse than hand-holding a noob. [15:29]
shinohai: ReadErr: I'm all ears if you want to experiment with CLI interactions, I was poking at it for a while but irl got in the way last year. [15:29]
ReadErr: shinohai: i would like to go ircbot route [15:30]
shinohai: Me too tbh [15:30]
mircea_popescu: that'd be hella cool ftr. [15:41]
mircea_popescu: im giving yall unique items if you manage to pull it off. [15:41]
mircea_popescu: exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766048 but for eulora, have a bot bridge you can !!bot craft 9999 5000 m 99999999 into and which goes "craft finished" or w.e [15:43]
mircea_popescu: would rock. [15:43]
ReadErr: fingers cross, 16.04 seems to be building fine [16:56]
mircea_popescu: win. put a word on wiki so we know in the future plox. [16:58]
ReadErr: ill try and get a package list too w/ versions [17:00]
mircea_popescu: perfect [17:19]
Birdman2: huh, my guy isnt facing forward [21:48]

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