| mircea_popescu: | finally got around to making io | [00:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | i looked at books briefly, could make some but no teeth. who was making teeth, hanbot ? diana_coman ? | [00:42] |
| hanbot: | can make canines but that'd require supplications of stones, and afaik supplication makin' has dried out pretty hardcore. meanwhile i have a modest canine stock of 28; 8 at 588, 4 at 235, 8 at 129, 8 at 114. qty worth an auction iyo mircea_popescu? | [00:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | not really ;/ | [00:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | whjat was making sups, the noob bouq books huh ? | [00:49] |
| hanbot: | iirc. | [00:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [00:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme look into it a sec | [00:50] |
| hanbot: | err, those'd be 'standard mircea's dismal scribblings on bouquinism'? (pfft who is this standard mircea and where did the premium one go) | [00:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [00:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | no i expectg it's apprentice bouq considerations | [00:52] |
| hanbot: | oh no those're finished products. | [00:52] |
| hanbot: | ah | [00:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | hanbot yeah here's the scoop : reason there's no supps is because there's no l1 bouq numina so i can't make more clicks. and the reason there's none of that is because lbn dun sell or somesuch, ppl aren't shredding maculatures. | [00:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | or other such things. basically shortage of bouk l1 numina | [00:55] |
| hanbot: | hey, i might be able to get this moving, but i need a worn old screens. anyone wanna sell me one? | [01:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm | [01:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | i have a pretty worn down one, but might be useful if you repair it ? | [01:09] |
| hanbot: | how worn down? 13.7k for instance is too low. | [01:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | 11k or so. agqain, the point is you repair it. | [01:11] |
| hanbot: | at 13.7k repairer reports that tool is too worn-out to be of any use. | [01:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | because you repaired it too many times, see | [01:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | whereas mine'd be fresh, never-before-repaired, worn down tools. | [01:13] |
| hanbot: | right. i'm saying: if 13.7k is too wait. number of times? | [01:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yes. | [01:13] |
| hanbot: | i had no idea number of times mattered. | [01:13] |
| hanbot: | aite, i'll buy then. | [01:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | it has to, otherwise what sense does it make... item is low q and can't repair because too low q ? | [01:14] |
| hanbot: | if i demanded everything in eulora make sense.... | [01:14] |
| hanbot: | but sure. | [01:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | how the hell to price these... | [01:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | hanbot 1mn work for you ? | [01:15] |
| hanbot: | been a while since any were loudly bought huh | [01:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | i've no idea what tools are worth, but these are kinda rare. | [01:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | tell you what, alternatively : i give you two, you repair them to max, give one back. | [01:18] |
| hanbot: | i'd rather pay the mil ;D | [01:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol k | [01:18] |
| hanbot: | trade me? | [01:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | isec gotta get it out. | [01:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty! | [01:25] |
| hanbot: | ty | [01:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | 3 day warranty! | [01:25] |
| hanbot: | cool | [01:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyone got used up plain tools for sale btw ? | [03:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | also, i'm working on making IO for a chain that ends in cruddy hoes. the end product will be about a stack's worth or so, though i'm not sure what q they'll come out. maybe say 50-100mn bv total, if i had to guess. | [03:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | now the trick here is that i want the used hoes to make imp hoes. so i'm thinking of selling the stack at 200\% with a fee tail, that buyer returns the used up tools once he's done. | [03:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | is there demand in excess of the offering ? how long does anyone think they'd take to wear down 10mn wortha tools ? | [03:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman danielpbarron mod6 whoever else is mining intensively ^ | [03:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | it'll be a coupla days to make the oil + a week or so to make the sslag, plus say another coupla weeks to make the tools. so this is late sept sorta eta. | [03:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | of course the sad news is that i only make 8 per click now ;/ | [03:23] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, I have a few hundred pickaxes and similar ch, worn-out; not sure how to price those though seeing how not many tools/bps moving about lately | [04:27] |
| diana_coman: | re tools: it all hinges now on cft | [04:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah we're back to that are we ? | [04:28] |
| diana_coman: | basically I could use at any point a pile of tools - if I figure out how to get some *new* cft bps going | [04:28] |
| diana_coman: | I clicked a cons with that semi-noob; it was 10mn bv bundle thing; he got 1k q bps, quite a few useful ones, but not even ONE single cft bp | [04:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | tsk tsk. | [04:29] |
| diana_coman: | and seeing how dt don't really slosh about either, it's not totally clear I can just click 100 conses to make sure | [04:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | i could make tomes, in principle. | [04:29] |
| diana_coman: | (not to mention it took about 5 days so there is that too) | [04:30] |
| diana_coman: | I thought there weren't ...what? gt? | [04:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | i think i have some gt | [04:30] |
| diana_coman: | *some* myeah | [04:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya well... | [04:30] |
| diana_coman: | thing is: is there a *source* of those things? one that is working I mean | [04:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | consen afaik | [04:31] |
| diana_coman: | round and round | [04:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [04:31] |
| diana_coman: | there is also this accursed bad luck of foxy's that makes it very iffy to mine with her | [04:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | kinda why i edun wanna click tome bps, need the tomes coming out for more gt | [04:32] |
| diana_coman: | although she IS the best, but... | [04:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [04:32] |
| diana_coman: | it's quite surreal: those other guys, even when more advanced, still end up + overall; she doesn't | [04:33] |
| diana_coman: | well, maybe I have yet to see them when they get to some 800 building I suppose | [04:33] |
| diana_coman: | there is that | [04:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | odd. | [04:35] |
| diana_coman: | re making only 8 per click: fox went from using ~11000 feelings+11 woa per toil click to using 9k+10woa | [04:35] |
| diana_coman: | kind of a bummer, atm just monitoring how this changes a bit | [04:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | what q cons yiled 1k\% bps on a total noob ? | [04:39] |
| diana_coman: | not total noob; some 200 tink | [04:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah | [04:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | still. | [04:42] |
| diana_coman: | well, 10mn base value bundle + 132q cons | [04:42] |
| diana_coman: | apprentice tink ftr | [04:43] |
| diana_coman: | he got a pop of 9mn out of the 10mn, could have been way worse (if clicking with fox for instance :)) ) | [04:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | hehe | [04:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | still, a pile of q1k bps, not bad, | [04:43] |
| diana_coman: | and not 1k\% but 1k q output, lol | [04:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah! | [04:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you say 1k q i assume q = quality | [04:44] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [04:44] |
| diana_coman: | q for quality; you put there \% though | [04:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. yes so 1k quality. | [04:44] |
| diana_coman: | and yes, those ultra-high q bps are not bad - if anything one can redeem some of those q3 bps | [04:44] |
| diana_coman: | yes, 1k quality | [04:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya srsly. | [04:45] |
| diana_coman: | I was expecting lower q tbh | [04:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, so you clicked a bundle, it yielded nice results, what. | [04:47] |
| diana_coman: | yes, but not even 1 bp of cft; hence not clear if cft even comes into play there at all; one I wanted to see - to think that at least it CAN be obtained | [04:49] |
| diana_coman: | as I said: ideally I would click 100 conses before saying anything, sure | [04:49] |
| diana_coman: | eulora is far from ideal | [04:49] |
| diana_coman: | for that matter: some of those bps were cc; any need for them? | [04:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [04:50] |
| diana_coman: | guess I need then to figure out some prices today, lol | [04:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, last i recall you were saying you make cft cheaper than me. i was actually looking forward to buying a coupla stacks for cheaper than what i make them, to make bct/cc | [04:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | didn't hold though huh. | [04:53] |
| diana_coman: | well, I DO make it cheaper; if I have bps | [04:58] |
| diana_coman: | I mean sure, I can make cft for all the bps I have (still a few stacks) | [04:58] |
| diana_coman: | and then? | [04:58] |
| diana_coman: | do YOU have a working way to make cft bps? | [04:58] |
| diana_coman: | otherwise I really don't see any difference | [04:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | well...i imagine cons clicking, what else. | [05:00] |
| diana_coman: | myeah, I was imagining too but it starts getting blurry | [05:01] |
| diana_coman: | given previous experience when many cons clicks yielded barely 10 cft bps totla | [05:01] |
| diana_coman: | is stuck now with "imagine..." grrrr | [05:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | im totally out of l1 tink numina so i can't even try it. | [05:02] |
| diana_coman: | o.O I thought I sold you quite some stacks of feelings? | [05:06] |
| diana_coman: | but anyway, I'll auction some feelings again I guess | [05:07] |
| diana_coman: | on my side I'm out of novice tink conses anyway so only apprentice | [05:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... should i sell some cons ? | [05:07] |
| diana_coman: | I guess I should better buy them if they are available, yes | [05:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | lemme see a sec | [05:09] |
| diana_coman: | hm? | [05:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | q 56 or 800 ? | [05:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | !Qhelp | [05:18] |
| lobbesbot: | mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands. | [05:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh k | [05:18] |
| diana_coman: | ugh, prolly somewhere in between best,lol | [05:18] |
| diana_coman: | I'll take q56 for now though | [05:19] |
| diana_coman: | should at least go faster/make more even if low q | [05:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 15399 * 10 * 12 * 8.01 | [05:19] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 15399 * 10 * 12 * 8.01 = 1.4801518799999999E7 | [05:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 15399 * 10 * 12 * .56 | [05:19] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 15399 * 10 * 12 * .56 = 1034812.8 | [05:19] |
| diana_coman: | how many are available? | [05:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | !Qauction 1mn 48 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 56 | [05:20] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 139 STARTED by mircea_popescu: 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 56 Opening: 1mn coppers Ending: 2017-08-28 09:20:54 UTC (48 hours) | [05:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | !Qauction 15mn 48 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 801 | [05:21] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 140 STARTED by mircea_popescu: 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 801 Opening: 15mn coppers Ending: 2017-08-28 09:20:59 UTC (48 hours) | [05:21] |
| diana_coman: | !Qbid 139 1mn | [05:21] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 139: 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 56 Heard: 1mn from diana_coman Ending: 2017-08-28 09:20:54 UTC (47 hours 59 mins) | [05:21] |
| diana_coman: | !Qbid 140 15mn | [05:21] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 140: 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 801 Heard: 15mn from diana_coman Ending: 2017-08-28 09:20:59 UTC (47 hours 59 mins) | [05:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | there we go. | [05:23] |
| lobbesbot: | A#139 O=1mn HB=1mn E=08-28 09:20:54 (47h38) >>> 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 56 | [05:42] |
| lobbesbot: | A#140 O=15mn HB=15mn E=08-28 09:20:59 (47h38) >>> 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 801 | [05:42] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 16mn total bids --- | [05:42] |
| danielpbarron: | !Qbid 139 1.1mn | [11:03] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 139: 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 56 Heard: 1.1mn from danielpbarron overbidding diana_coman Ending: 2017-08-28 09:20:54 UTC (42 hours 17 mins) | [11:03] |
| danielpbarron: | will need tomes too though | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | !Qbid 139 1.2mn | [11:03] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 139: 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 56 Heard: 1.2mn from diana_coman overbidding danielpbarron Ending: 2017-08-28 09:20:54 UTC (42 hours 16 mins) | [11:03] |
| diana_coman: | tomes is the iffy part, yes | [11:04] |
| danielpbarron: | i had my alt char click a gumbo consideration and got one single extremely high quality maculature out of it | [11:04] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, well... I had said it before really: http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-07-01.log.html#t13:38:35 | [11:06] |
| lobbesbot: | Logged on 2017-07-01 13:38:35: <diana_coman> not noob! | [11:06] |
| diana_coman: | so yeah, not a surprise there, known and documented thing really, even if counter intuitive, I'll give it that | [11:07] |
| danielpbarron: | this might have been before that, i don't recall | [11:07] |
| danielpbarron: | so now.. do we know if it's high quality or low quality considerations we want? | [11:08] |
| danielpbarron: | because it would be intuitive if the lower quality ones resulted in more loot aka blueprints | [11:09] |
| diana_coman: | danielpbarron, it depends who clicks them + what bundle you have I'd say | [11:11] |
| diana_coman: | I said I wanted prolly in between those 2 qualities because of previous experience with my semi-noob (~200 tink) | [11:12] |
| diana_coman: | 10mn bundle + ~130q cons -> 1000q bps | [11:12] |
| diana_coman: | obviously, not a ton of them despite 9mn total output | [11:12] |
| diana_coman: | !Qauction 2mn 48 100k Tinkerer's Petrified Feelings q 135 | [11:17] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 141 STARTED by diana_coman: 100k Tinkerer's Petrified Feelings q 135 Opening: 2mn coppers Ending: 2017-08-28 15:17:23 UTC (48 hours) | [11:17] |
| diana_coman: | since there was floated this idea that no lvl1 numina | [11:17] |
| danielpbarron: | !Qbid 141 2mn | [11:30] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 141: 100k Tinkerer's Petrified Feelings q 135 Heard: 2mn from danielpbarron Ending: 2017-08-28 15:17:23 UTC (47 hours 47 mins) | [11:30] |
| danielpbarron: | still need tomes, but at least i can also use those in toils | [11:31] |
| lobbesbot: | A#141 O=2mn HB=2mn E=08-28 15:17:23 (47h34) >>> 100k Tinkerer's Petrified Feelings q 135 | [11:42] |
| lobbesbot: | A#139 O=1mn HB=1.2mn E=08-28 09:20:54 (41h38) >>> 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 56 | [11:42] |
| lobbesbot: | A#140 O=15mn HB=15mn E=08-28 09:20:59 (41h38) >>> 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 801 | [11:42] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 18.2mn total bids --- | [11:42] |
| diana_coman: | hm, 3 pss ords, same q1462 bundles, same q 172 enums, same builder fox, output q from 20 to 70; from my pov this settles the fact that claims really have their own sort of quality too | [15:00] |
| diana_coman: | claims gotten with same tool too , same place, etc | [15:01] |
| diana_coman: | obv, question remains as to how exactly this "quality" of the claim is linked to its value (as reported on pops for instance, when getting a remark ) | [15:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | o wow | [15:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah | [15:09] |
| danielpbarron: | the lich is supposed to effect quality of gathered things. perhaps the mechanic for this is already in place and other things besides the lich use it | [15:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | o.O | [15:25] |
| danielpbarron: | if i had to guess, it's time of day | [15:26] |
| danielpbarron: | is there any demand for high skilled crafters? i don't really have much stuff to do from my own stocks | [15:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | possibly make cft ? | [15:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | apparently is demand. | [15:29] |
| danielpbarron: | if someone gives me the blueprints and bundles i'll set my bot on it, sure | [15:30] |
| danielpbarron: | i have some low q grass but maybe it's better someone else bundles it, idk | [15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc blueprints were teh problem. | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | only bundle+bp item i'd sell is prolly cons stuff. dunno. | [15:41] |
| lobbesbot: | A#141 O=2mn HB=2mn E=08-28 15:17:23 (43h34) >>> 100k Tinkerer's Petrified Feelings q 135 | [15:42] |
| lobbesbot: | A#139 O=1mn HB=1.2mn E=08-28 09:20:54 (37h38) >>> 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 56 | [15:42] |
| lobbesbot: | A#140 O=15mn HB=15mn E=08-28 09:20:59 (37h38) >>> 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 801 | [15:42] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 18.2mn total bids --- | [15:42] |
| diana_coman: | !QAuction 20mn 48 500 CC bp creme de la creme 1045q! | [17:05] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 142 STARTED by diana_coman: 500 CC bp creme de la creme 1045q! Opening: 20mn coppers Ending: 2017-08-28 21:05:52 UTC (48 hours) | [17:05] |
| diana_coman: | !~calc 500*10*378*10.45 | [17:06] |
| jhvh1: | diana_coman: 500*10*378*10.45 = 19750500 | [17:06] |
| diana_coman: | let's see what super-bps are worth if anything | [17:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | !Qbid 142 20mn | [17:07] |
| lobbesbot: | AUCTION # 142: 500 CC bp creme de la creme 1045q! Heard: 20mn from mircea_popescu Ending: 2017-08-28 21:05:52 UTC (47 hours 57 mins) | [17:07] |
| diana_coman: | meanwhile in trials of explorers: fox gets some decent q wpl with bundles made by noob out of decayed-key lbn so q 11 | [17:09] |
| diana_coman: | now intrigued whether this is worth the hassle at all | [17:09] |
| diana_coman: | basically fox makes bundles for noobs/intermediate, noobs make bundles for fox and round and round | [17:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | sounds credible | [17:13] |
| diana_coman: | now for fun I gotta make myself an ord bundle q1, lol | [17:13] |
| diana_coman: | kind of curious if I even get higher q with that than with 1k q bundles as it often happens to end up q1 output | [17:14] |
| diana_coman: | crafting bps still going down, so nothing better to do | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | nowhere to go nothing to do with my timeee... i get bundled... | [17:16] |
| diana_coman: | ahahaha; never quite got that part with "nothing to do with my time" lol | [17:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [17:18] |
| lobbesbot: | A#142 O=20mn HB=20mn E=08-28 21:05:52 (47h23) >>> 500 CC bp creme de la creme 1045q! | [17:42] |
| lobbesbot: | A#141 O=2mn HB=2mn E=08-28 15:17:23 (41h34) >>> 100k Tinkerer's Petrified Feelings q 135 | [17:42] |
| lobbesbot: | A#139 O=1mn HB=1.2mn E=08-28 09:20:54 (35h38) >>> 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 56 | [17:42] |
| lobbesbot: | A#140 O=15mn HB=15mn E=08-28 09:20:59 (35h38) >>> 12 Neopthyte Tinkerer Considerations q 801 | [17:42] |
| lobbesbot: | --- end of auction list, 38.2mn total bids --- | [17:42] |
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