#eulora Logs for 17 Oct 2016

October 17th, 2016 by Diana Coman
mircea_popescu: well now it just decided to stop putting keys in claims, so still wasted half the time [00:50]
mircea_popescu: at least not 99.7\% like last time. [00:50]
diana_coman: lags WILL mess it up to some extent, no decision involved though, lol [02:26]
diana_coman: how's exploring/harvesting going shinohai ? [02:27]
shinohai: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-10-17.log.html#t06:27:04 <<< so-so hope I can stay in game longer than 15-20 minutes today lol [08:45]
lobbesbot: Title: #Eulora log for Monday, 2016-10-17 (at logs.minigame.bz) [08:45]
anond: hello people [08:47]
shinohai: heya anond [08:47]
anond: hi.... [08:48]
shinohai: How goes it [08:49]
anond: ?) [08:49]
diana_coman: hi anond , how's it going? [08:56]
diana_coman: shinohai, why not set the bot up and let it go about on its own? as long as it has enough threads and bits of nothing it should be all right [08:58]
shinohai: I'm still doing penance for my last mistake and developing all those claims little by little xD [08:59]
diana_coman: ah, the harsh world of eulora takes its toll, lol [09:01]
shinohai: The MOTD "You can't have everything, where would you put it?" [09:04]
anond: hi diana [09:09]
anond: Im going well [09:09]
anond: thanks for asking [09:09]
anond: :) [09:11]
shinohai: anond any luck with those video drivers yet? [09:20]
anond: no shinohai [09:45]
diana_coman: soooo Foxy gets 751q pss and 738q sg with same 7 cft (300q) in small claims, despite having higher Farming skill than Mining skill [09:45]
diana_coman: somehow farming and Foxy don't get along at all [09:46]
shinohai: :/ [09:46]
diana_coman: in true euloran style it might be easier to figure out what a character sucks at doing rather than what it is good at doing [09:46]
shinohai: This is Monday in Eulora [09:46]
diana_coman: if it doesn't suck, then it's safe to assume it's...good [09:46]
diana_coman: well, on an entirely different (and sunnier) side, the morning yielded a few toves, molluscs and other rare stuff [09:47]
anond: i have learned somethings....but not it is not solved stillyet [09:48]
anond: (still or yet) [09:48]
diana_coman: should add that farming is about 20 ranks higher than mining, so not exactly just a tiny bit higher seeing how those levels are a pain anyways [09:48]
mircea_popescu: so after all the work "fixing" foxybot, it's altoghether not clear any improvement was had. the main point is that the bot is still not working when i wake up, just as it wasn't before. [11:53]
mircea_popescu: with the fix it evidently worked longer, which is an advantage, but it also worked wastefully, which is to say i have >50 enums it never expliited, like 100k ecu worth. [11:54]
mircea_popescu: which is better ? total toss-up i guess. [11:54]
mircea_popescu: very fucking frustrating [11:54]
diana_coman: sucks [11:54]
diana_coman: not sure what the bot can do though [11:55]
diana_coman: it sends the right things in right order; things get delayed/lost [11:55]
mircea_popescu: i guess the only thing it can do is make a queue, an executor AND a checker. [11:55]
diana_coman: that's why I was a bit weary of powering it through everything: because usually when something goes wrong, powering through means only that you will end up wasting stuff [11:55]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: anyway, wrt the keys : could it be made to DROP them like the table, instead of putting them in ?\ [11:57]
diana_coman: myeah, remaking the client basically works, I agree [11:57]
mircea_popescu: or even better, could it also do a /drop tiny key every step ? [11:57]
mircea_popescu: oh look! it worked FOR AS LONG AS I WAS AWAKE and an hour or so afterwards [11:57]
diana_coman: sure, why not, especially now that the keys have different names so you don't end up dropping an ord key [11:57]
mircea_popescu: MOTHERFUCKER [11:57]
mircea_popescu: how. HOW!!!!! [11:57]
diana_coman: add for instance after that line you added last time another one with the command for dropping a tiny [11:58]
mircea_popescu: yeah totally, will do this. [11:58]
mircea_popescu: becomes unsafe to carry tiny keys, meaning it's a very kludge, but i don't and i need a fix here. [11:59]
diana_coman: so worldHandler::ExecCmd(csString("/drop Tiny Claim Key")); [11:59]
mircea_popescu: yup ty. [11:59]
mircea_popescu: !~calc 3+2+8+19+1+5 [11:59]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 3+2+8+19+1+5 = 38 [11:59]
mircea_popescu: this is actually great, because it fixes what was definitely a specific problem (tiny key choke). i'm curious if it can find anything now. [12:06]
mircea_popescu: anyway. 300 tools, one stack lbn, 1k cft, altered bot mark III deployed. will report moar. [12:25]
shinohai: good luck! [12:26]
diana_coman: hm, I'd run out of 1k cft with waaay less than 300 tools [12:27]
diana_coman: then again: what q are those tools of yours? [12:27]
mircea_popescu: 10-11k durability [12:30]
mircea_popescu: anywya, if it exhausts the cft stock without a hitch i'm entirely happy, it's like 2 days' worth. [12:30]
mircea_popescu: but so far this has been beautiful - the bot lost the supply of tiny keys from the prev failure, i didn't have to click like an idiot myself :D [12:31]
mircea_popescu: has just realised that this fix is actually pretty dangerous. before - if you sent it mining without cft/lbn, it'd eventually choke on keys and stop. but enums stack, you can end up wasting all the tools you got ande ending up with a piule of unusable enums [12:35]
diana_coman: aha [12:35]
diana_coman: bot design is a very interesting thing [12:35]
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly. i'm half considering adding a stop condition for no lbn / no cft. [12:36]
mircea_popescu: in the end this thing is organically evolving under industrial pressure very far away from any sort of sensible design [12:36]
mircea_popescu: perhaps informative as to the destructive forces applying to software generally. [12:36]
diana_coman: well, that's how it usually happens, yes [12:36]
mircea_popescu: it's understood that planets can not be arbitrarily close to the star, because the changing attraction force (it stays the same modulus, but changes direction, which IS a change and which therefore DOES deliver mechanical work), the same thing that keeps the earth's core motlen, are strong enough to tear them apart. [12:37]
mircea_popescu: it's starting to look to me as if software is in the same situation, every distinct item gravitating against the sun of practice. [12:38]
diana_coman: more like applying to open source as it were because you are changing your own version but essentially I have the option to see what people need/what changes they make/how it works and then incorporate it into a more reasonable design at next update if needed [12:38]
mircea_popescu: but the design can not be reasonable for fundamental reasons [12:38]
mircea_popescu: which happen to be exactly those stated by godel. [12:38]
diana_coman: fwiw as experience: this structure of the bot which is quite sane still is actually at least the 2nd total re-write basically [12:38]
mircea_popescu: i recall. [12:39]
diana_coman: not because I started with an insane structure but because the first one got totally messed up when confronted with practice basically [12:39]
diana_coman: so no, it's not that it can't be held sane, it's only that it is VERY expensive basically [12:39]
diana_coman: because yeah, it's totally possible you end up needing some 3rd rewrite and so on [12:40]
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't advise running this AB Mk 3 if one's a noob. it's very finely tuned to my particular needs. [12:40]
diana_coman: yeah, it's not the sort of thing I would *add* /deploy as update for sure [12:40]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it retains small keys now. [12:40]
diana_coman: well of course? [12:40]
diana_coman: lol [12:40]
mircea_popescu: nuts. so the fix actually does A LOT for me [12:40]
diana_coman: add one line to drop the small ones too, lol [12:41]
mircea_popescu: i'd have had 20+ tiny keys to go with these 3 small keys [12:41]
mircea_popescu: possibly. so far i just wanna run it and get an idea [12:41]
mircea_popescu: it's not angered me yet [12:41]
diana_coman: funnily enough my bot has been running without any trouble at all really [12:43]
mircea_popescu: good for you [12:58]
diana_coman: "mircea_popescu I got an idea though. Might work with single table." <- re note vii to go with it: you do realise this, precisely this *was* said in the very same paragraph where I offered the line of code to drop the table (aka "obv, keeping only one table in inventory ensures it drops the right one") [16:25]
mircea_popescu: yep [16:54]
mircea_popescu: kinda how "creativity" goes. [16:56]
shinohai: thinks developing these claims is the Eulorian way of writing "Thou shalt not explore without cft" 1000 times [17:55]
mircea_popescu: lol. still working on them ? [18:01]
shinohai: yup [18:01]
mircea_popescu: i'm pretty happy with fb mk3. no problems so far in 924 explores. [18:02]
mircea_popescu: i got 4 small keys which is really sustainable. [18:02]
shinohai: http://imgur.com/a/VO9Ao <<< hanbot earlier [18:02]
lobbesbot: Title: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet (at imgur.com) [18:02]
mircea_popescu: lol! [18:03]
hanbot: lol no regrets! [19:39]
mircea_popescu: ahh 1300 clicks without a hitch! [20:24]
mircea_popescu: so i just added 91 historical pops, for the interval 20 july 2015 - 11 may 2016 (all that are recorded, as per http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-hall-of-fame/ ) into the list of pops the game currently shows via /show pops (which only covered this year from may). [22:17]
lobbesbot: Title: Eulora Hall of Fame on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [22:17]
mircea_popescu: this takes us from 330301 to 592301 ECu and from 59 to 150 elements. [22:17]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so the mk3 bot did ok, finally had to be killed at try 1630 because it had gotten confused with the table contents, made 5 stacks of sm [22:22]
mircea_popescu: in those 1630 tries it ate 1137 lbn so i'm getting like 2/3 success. [22:25]

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