| mircea_popescu: | well now it just decided to stop putting keys in claims, so still wasted half the time | [00:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | at least not 99.7\% like last time. | [00:50] |
| diana_coman: | lags WILL mess it up to some extent, no decision involved though, lol | [02:26] |
| diana_coman: | how's exploring/harvesting going shinohai ? | [02:27] |
| shinohai: | http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-10-17.log.html#t06:27:04 <<< so-so hope I can stay in game longer than 15-20 minutes today lol | [08:45] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: #Eulora log for Monday, 2016-10-17 (at logs.minigame.bz) | [08:45] |
| anond: | hello people | [08:47] |
| shinohai: | heya anond | [08:47] |
| anond: | hi.... | [08:48] |
| shinohai: | How goes it | [08:49] |
| anond: | ?) | [08:49] |
| diana_coman: | hi anond , how's it going? | [08:56] |
| diana_coman: | shinohai, why not set the bot up and let it go about on its own? as long as it has enough threads and bits of nothing it should be all right | [08:58] |
| shinohai: | I'm still doing penance for my last mistake and developing all those claims little by little xD | [08:59] |
| diana_coman: | ah, the harsh world of eulora takes its toll, lol | [09:01] |
| shinohai: | The MOTD "You can't have everything, where would you put it?" | [09:04] |
| anond: | hi diana | [09:09] |
| anond: | Im going well | [09:09] |
| anond: | thanks for asking | [09:09] |
| anond: | :) | [09:11] |
| shinohai: | anond any luck with those video drivers yet? | [09:20] |
| anond: | no shinohai | [09:45] |
| diana_coman: | soooo Foxy gets 751q pss and 738q sg with same 7 cft (300q) in small claims, despite having higher Farming skill than Mining skill | [09:45] |
| diana_coman: | somehow farming and Foxy don't get along at all | [09:46] |
| shinohai: | :/ | [09:46] |
| diana_coman: | in true euloran style it might be easier to figure out what a character sucks at doing rather than what it is good at doing | [09:46] |
| shinohai: | This is Monday in Eulora | [09:46] |
| diana_coman: | if it doesn't suck, then it's safe to assume it's...good | [09:46] |
| diana_coman: | well, on an entirely different (and sunnier) side, the morning yielded a few toves, molluscs and other rare stuff | [09:47] |
| anond: | i have learned somethings....but not it is not solved stillyet | [09:48] |
| anond: | (still or yet) | [09:48] |
| diana_coman: | should add that farming is about 20 ranks higher than mining, so not exactly just a tiny bit higher seeing how those levels are a pain anyways | [09:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | so after all the work "fixing" foxybot, it's altoghether not clear any improvement was had. the main point is that the bot is still not working when i wake up, just as it wasn't before. | [11:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | with the fix it evidently worked longer, which is an advantage, but it also worked wastefully, which is to say i have >50 enums it never expliited, like 100k ecu worth. | [11:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | which is better ? total toss-up i guess. | [11:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | very fucking frustrating | [11:54] |
| diana_coman: | sucks | [11:54] |
| diana_coman: | not sure what the bot can do though | [11:55] |
| diana_coman: | it sends the right things in right order; things get delayed/lost | [11:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess the only thing it can do is make a queue, an executor AND a checker. | [11:55] |
| diana_coman: | that's why I was a bit weary of powering it through everything: because usually when something goes wrong, powering through means only that you will end up wasting stuff | [11:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. | [11:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, wrt the keys : could it be made to DROP them like the table, instead of putting them in ?\ | [11:57] |
| diana_coman: | myeah, remaking the client basically works, I agree | [11:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | or even better, could it also do a /drop tiny key every step ? | [11:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh look! it worked FOR AS LONG AS I WAS AWAKE and an hour or so afterwards | [11:57] |
| diana_coman: | sure, why not, especially now that the keys have different names so you don't end up dropping an ord key | [11:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | MOTHERFUCKER | [11:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | how. HOW!!!!! | [11:57] |
| diana_coman: | add for instance after that line you added last time another one with the command for dropping a tiny | [11:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah totally, will do this. | [11:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | becomes unsafe to carry tiny keys, meaning it's a very kludge, but i don't and i need a fix here. | [11:59] |
| diana_coman: | so worldHandler::ExecCmd(csString("/drop Tiny Claim Key")); | [11:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | yup ty. | [11:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | !~calc 3+2+8+19+1+5 | [11:59] |
| jhvh1: | mircea_popescu: 3+2+8+19+1+5 = 38 | [11:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is actually great, because it fixes what was definitely a specific problem (tiny key choke). i'm curious if it can find anything now. | [12:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. 300 tools, one stack lbn, 1k cft, altered bot mark III deployed. will report moar. | [12:25] |
| shinohai: | good luck! | [12:26] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I'd run out of 1k cft with waaay less than 300 tools | [12:27] |
| diana_coman: | then again: what q are those tools of yours? | [12:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | 10-11k durability | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | anywya, if it exhausts the cft stock without a hitch i'm entirely happy, it's like 2 days' worth. | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | but so far this has been beautiful - the bot lost the supply of tiny keys from the prev failure, i didn't have to click like an idiot myself :D | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | has just realised that this fix is actually pretty dangerous. before - if you sent it mining without cft/lbn, it'd eventually choke on keys and stop. but enums stack, you can end up wasting all the tools you got ande ending up with a piule of unusable enums | [12:35] |
| diana_coman: | aha | [12:35] |
| diana_coman: | bot design is a very interesting thing | [12:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah srsly. i'm half considering adding a stop condition for no lbn / no cft. | [12:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | in the end this thing is organically evolving under industrial pressure very far away from any sort of sensible design | [12:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | perhaps informative as to the destructive forces applying to software generally. | [12:36] |
| diana_coman: | well, that's how it usually happens, yes | [12:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's understood that planets can not be arbitrarily close to the star, because the changing attraction force (it stays the same modulus, but changes direction, which IS a change and which therefore DOES deliver mechanical work), the same thing that keeps the earth's core motlen, are strong enough to tear them apart. | [12:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's starting to look to me as if software is in the same situation, every distinct item gravitating against the sun of practice. | [12:38] |
| diana_coman: | more like applying to open source as it were because you are changing your own version but essentially I have the option to see what people need/what changes they make/how it works and then incorporate it into a more reasonable design at next update if needed | [12:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | but the design can not be reasonable for fundamental reasons | [12:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | which happen to be exactly those stated by godel. | [12:38] |
| diana_coman: | fwiw as experience: this structure of the bot which is quite sane still is actually at least the 2nd total re-write basically | [12:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | i recall. | [12:39] |
| diana_coman: | not because I started with an insane structure but because the first one got totally messed up when confronted with practice basically | [12:39] |
| diana_coman: | so no, it's not that it can't be held sane, it's only that it is VERY expensive basically | [12:39] |
| diana_coman: | because yeah, it's totally possible you end up needing some 3rd rewrite and so on | [12:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i wouldn't advise running this AB Mk 3 if one's a noob. it's very finely tuned to my particular needs. | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, it's not the sort of thing I would *add* /deploy as update for sure | [12:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman it retains small keys now. | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | well of course? | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [12:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | nuts. so the fix actually does A LOT for me | [12:40] |
| diana_coman: | add one line to drop the small ones too, lol | [12:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd have had 20+ tiny keys to go with these 3 small keys | [12:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | possibly. so far i just wanna run it and get an idea | [12:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's not angered me yet | [12:41] |
| diana_coman: | funnily enough my bot has been running without any trouble at all really | [12:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | good for you | [12:58] |
| diana_coman: | "mircea_popescu I got an idea though. Might work with single table." <- re note vii to go with it: you do realise this, precisely this *was* said in the very same paragraph where I offered the line of code to drop the table (aka "obv, keeping only one table in inventory ensures it drops the right one") | [16:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | yep | [16:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | kinda how "creativity" goes. | [16:56] |
| shinohai: | thinks developing these claims is the Eulorian way of writing "Thou shalt not explore without cft" 1000 times | [17:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. still working on them ? | [18:01] |
| shinohai: | yup | [18:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm pretty happy with fb mk3. no problems so far in 924 explores. | [18:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | i got 4 small keys which is really sustainable. | [18:02] |
| shinohai: | http://imgur.com/a/VO9Ao <<< hanbot earlier | [18:02] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet (at imgur.com) | [18:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol! | [18:03] |
| hanbot: | lol no regrets! | [19:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahh 1300 clicks without a hitch! | [20:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | so i just added 91 historical pops, for the interval 20 july 2015 - 11 may 2016 (all that are recorded, as per http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-hall-of-fame/ ) into the list of pops the game currently shows via /show pops (which only covered this year from may). | [22:17] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Eulora Hall of Fame on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) | [22:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | this takes us from 330301 to 592301 ECu and from 59 to 150 elements. | [22:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman so the mk3 bot did ok, finally had to be killed at try 1630 because it had gotten confused with the table contents, made 5 stacks of sm | [22:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | in those 1630 tries it ate 1137 lbn so i'm getting like 2/3 success. | [22:25] |
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