#eulora Logs for 11 Oct 2016

October 11th, 2016 by Diana Coman
diana_coman: morning [05:25]
shinohai: morning diana_coman o/ [07:08]
mircea_popescu: hhhola! [08:33]
shinohai: o/ mircea_popescu [08:33]
mircea_popescu: how's teh dirt racking [08:38]
shinohai: Managed to find some Elusive Purple Snails [08:40]
mircea_popescu: o hey [08:41]
shinohai: And the usual sundries [08:41]
mircea_popescu: those are used for making ink which is a key component of making blueprints. [08:41]
shinohai: Right now my strategy seems to be just explore as much as possible when there are no other tasks to perform [08:42]
shinohai: I'm over by the giant scrotum obelisk or whatever that is. [08:42]
mircea_popescu: sounds like a fine strat yes. [08:43]
diana_coman: nice find shinohai [08:46]
diana_coman: bot logs everything it finds too, so you can then grab that and plot a sort of map [08:47]
diana_coman: I found it seems 1.3k sr and 2 disconnects eurgh [08:47]
shinohai: I disconnected sometime during the night, but it was my fault because I forgot to turn of sleep on this lappy [08:48]
mircea_popescu: it's so beautiful, i'm turning flotsam q 36 into slag q 79. [08:48]
mircea_popescu: skills fucking rule ; basically we could say more than half the slag i make comes straight out of my ass. [08:48]
diana_coman: sounds...painful, mircea_popescu [08:49]
mircea_popescu: lol [08:49]
mircea_popescu: it kinda looks it, too. [08:49]
diana_coman: you prolly use some high q bps too though [08:49]
mircea_popescu: bout 100ish [08:52]
shinohai: "If you make the mistake of trying to go mining in Eulora, you'll never, ever, ever find your way back out again." <<< mp [08:52]
mircea_popescu: that 2 mn pop i had yest was a ntinkering bp, gave me like 20k slag bps. [08:52]
mircea_popescu: so now i'm well stacked. [08:52]
diana_coman: nice [08:52]
mircea_popescu: shinohai i actually said that ? [08:52]
diana_coman: sounds like something from an older s.mg/trilema post on eulora [08:53]
shinohai: http://trilema.com/2015/euloraleaks/#selection-69.383-73.30 [08:53]
mircea_popescu: kickass. [08:53]
lobbesbot: Title: Euloraleaks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [08:54]
diana_coman: was that some 2k+ quality cons bundle mircea_popescu ? [08:54]
mircea_popescu: is always pleasantly surprised by his old quotes. [08:54]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman 1kish [08:54]
diana_coman: not bad [08:54]
mircea_popescu: iirc the bundle is like 150k naturally, so the click was a slight profit. [08:54]
mircea_popescu: put in something like 1.9-2.1 mn got like 2.4mn or such [08:55]
mircea_popescu: think about it shinohai , A CLICK worth 2mn. [08:55]
diana_coman: a pitty that everything is still kind of stuck on that line due to rarity of altars and ingredients for numina making [08:55]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [08:55]
shinohai: dreams of making such a click or better one day [08:55]
mircea_popescu: i should prolly re-do the other cons bp auction sometime huh. [08:56]
mircea_popescu: i think next year. gotta send a strong signal to players that ignoring s.mg auctions results in nothiong good. [08:56]
diana_coman: mutters something at "ignoring" [08:57]
mircea_popescu: lol [08:57]
mircea_popescu: no i'm talking about EVERYONE ELSE!!11 [08:57]
diana_coman: ahahahaha [08:57]
mircea_popescu: this is a great line, i'ma stash it for later. "what do you mean all women are whores ?" "honey i'm talking about everyone else!" "what, me ?" "No, no, EVERYONE ELSE!!11" [08:58]
mircea_popescu: "you are irresponsible!" "vote for me!" [08:58]
diana_coman: I find it more amusing because it is precisely the old classroom thing: "you are a bunch of idiots for not doing X" "but I did X" "everyone else" [09:00]
mircea_popescu: aha :) [09:00]
shinohai: Server died again? [09:12]
mircea_popescu: nop [09:13]
shinohai: I'm getting server not available :/ [09:14]
mircea_popescu: bad connection ? cuz im crafting [09:18]
shinohai: i dunno, everything else seems fine [09:19]
shinohai: letting me in now weird [09:19]
mircea_popescu: happens now and again [09:20]
mircea_popescu: being a game it's closer coupled than say webpages, so it'll bitch easier. [09:20]
shinohai: Makes sense, I always thought of Eulora as a woman. [09:21]
mircea_popescu: lol [09:24]
shinohai: diana_coman: building quite nicely on new lappy, precise, only minigame repo in sources.list: http://i.imgur.com/DLPkoca.png?1 [13:00]
diana_coman: nice shinohai [14:16]
diana_coman: is that with the xubuntu image? [14:16]
shinohai: Nah I did another with precise first, xubuntu next [14:17]
diana_coman: shinohai, do you want to build 2 grass ords for me ? (accessible place even, lol) [15:18]
shinohai: sure gimmie just one sec [15:19]
shinohai: btw for our noobs who cannot figure out this "Build on linux" thing, here is an autobuild script that does everything outlined in: http://www.eulorum.org/Ubuntu [15:21]
lobbesbot: Title: Ubuntu - Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) [15:21]
shinohai: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/h0nue/?raw=true [15:21]
diana_coman: cool stuff, maybe add it to the wiki? [15:22]
shinohai: If you want to. The caveat here is they *still* got to modify sources.list and install deps first of course. [15:22]
shinohai: But I thought maybe that would save on crayons some [15:24]
shinohai: ok in town now diana_coman, just lemme know when ready to trade [15:25]
diana_coman: well, the script puts the compilation steps together, the way I see it is that it can't hurt [15:26]
diana_coman: trouble anyway starts when/if something goes wrong really [15:26]
shinohai: somehow, anond still had issues with it [15:26]
diana_coman: one of the keys is from an already-built claim, but no idea which, lol [15:27]
diana_coman: feel free to dump it [15:27]
shinohai: no worries ill find it [15:27]
diana_coman: they should all be around the same spot anyway [15:27]
diana_coman: I didn't really get what issues did anond actually have in the end? [15:28]
diana_coman: was it with compiling? [15:28]
shinohai: yes he never could get all the steps right [15:28]
diana_coman: is quite sure there are some people out there who will *still* not get something right even with a full script [15:29]
shinohai: I imagine a lot of head-scratching will occue with this sources.list editing, I still haven't figured out how to make idiot-proof instructions yet. :/ [15:30]
shinohai: *occur [15:30]
diana_coman: but anyways, providing scripts for automating steps is useful [15:30]
diana_coman: I would rather suggest making clear+concise+complete instructions first really [15:31]
shinohai: I felt the wiki instructions were absolutely clear [15:31]
diana_coman: idiot-proof is not the first concern (I'm really inclined to scratch it as not being a concern at all) [15:32]
diana_coman: I suppose if you want to add to the script it could make a copy of sources.list and then create one with the right strings in it and that is that [15:33]
diana_coman: surely not idiot-proof by any means [15:33]
shinohai: I'd have to find a way around the various Ubuntu flavors thing though, no? [15:34]
diana_coman: a parameter, no? [15:34]
shinohai: I guess I could make it selective. [15:34]
diana_coman: or like that, yes [15:35]
shinohai: writing "deb http://minigame.bz/repo/ubuntu/ YOUR_UBUNTU_VERSION_HERE main " to a file doesn't seem that hard ... [15:37]
lobbesbot: Title: Index of /repo/ubuntu (at minigame.bz) [15:37]
diana_coman: honestly, my experience has always been that idiocy has ~infinite ways of tripping all over itself - basically more ways than you can design protections for [15:37]
diana_coman: I'm sure there'll be a bunch of people writing "YOUR_UBUNTU_VERSION_HERE" and then wondering why it fails [15:37]
diana_coman: for an obvious start, lol [15:37]
shinohai: kek [15:37]
shinohai: I'm pretty much a hack compared to you, say, but I do figure this stuff out :/ [15:38]
diana_coman: hence my approach: don't lose too much time on this; first write the instructions for normal people who can read/follow a few steps and only then if you feel like it add anything else for the variously-challenged [15:39]
diana_coman: actually for your ubuntu version thing you can probably make the script bright enough to find it itself [15:41]
diana_coman: I think it's reported as "Codename: " from a lsb_release -a [15:41]
diana_coman: aha; with -c it gives only codename [15:42]
shinohai: oh sweet I can mebbe put that in that way then [15:42]
diana_coman: basically make the script to be a helpful/convenient tool for a normal user; it will help others too as a side-effect [15:44]
diana_coman: by "normal" I mean someone who can read and follow some simple instructions, lol [15:45]
shinohai: I was kinda inspired by the old trb build script, which was really helpful after you tested it like 100 times [15:45]
shinohai: finished and waiting for you in town diana_coman [15:58]
diana_coman: omw [15:58]
shinohai: kk [15:58]
diana_coman: did you keep your 10\%? [16:00]
shinohai: nope [16:00]
diana_coman: kk; grass or ecu? [16:00]
shinohai: I'll do ecu if you have change, if not grass is fine [16:01]
diana_coman: !~calc 0.10*1.5*0.7*60*3546 [16:02]
jhvh1: diana_coman: 0.10*1.5*0.7*60*3546 = 22339.800000000003 [16:02]
diana_coman: lol that 0.00000003 [16:02]
shinohai: xD [16:03]
shinohai: dat q70 tho [16:03]
diana_coman: that's all change I have; that ok? [16:03]
shinohai: works for me [16:04]
diana_coman: thanks [16:04]
shinohai: thank you! [16:04]
diana_coman: and yeah, quality kind of high really [16:04]
diana_coman: my high q enums play a role in that for sure [16:04]
diana_coman: but I think it was 58 last time? [16:04]
shinohai: yeah I should stop training on building xD [16:05]
diana_coman: lol [16:05]
diana_coman: I think if you started at it, you should keep going at least but anyway, your call on that one [16:05]
shinohai: I'm at 24 on gathering now [16:06]
diana_coman: not that bad [16:06]
mircea_popescu: shinohai> oh sweet I can mebbe put that in that way then <<< yup luckily the machine itself knows what it is lol [16:53]
shinohai: yeah lsb_release -c cut -f2 seems to be the magic bit [17:02]
mircea_popescu: win. [17:02]
anond: hello mircea [17:19]
shinohai: howdy anond [17:20]
anond: howdy shinohai [17:20]
shinohai: how goes it? [17:20]
anond: o hev evoluted [17:21]
anond: sorry: I have evoluted [17:21]
shinohai: evoluted? [17:22]
anond: yes [17:24]
anond: i have installed denian [17:24]
anond: debian [17:24]
shinohai: nice, I was just working on an auto-install script today might help you [17:25]
mircea_popescu: denian lol. what is it, a cock cage ? [17:25]
anond: :) [17:26]
anond: autoinstall eulora? [17:27]
shinohai: you still have to install the deps but it should work for you [17:27]
shinohai: send me a pm so we don't clutter up the logs and I'll try to help [17:28]
anond: ok [17:30]
anond: ThreadsManager =1 [18:06]
diana_coman: is that Vithewe you anond ? [18:19]
anond: yes...diana [18:20]
shinohai: holy fucksticksticks he got it running [18:20]
diana_coman: how's the game going now? [18:20]
diana_coman: cheers for shinohai [18:20]
anond: :):):) bad [18:20]
diana_coman: anond, more precisely? [18:20]
anond: a shit [18:21]
diana_coman: anond, "more precisely" means numbers, concrete stuff [18:21]
diana_coman: what fps do you get ? [18:21]
anond: i dont remember the command to see fps [18:22]
diana_coman: uhm... /fps [18:22]
diana_coman: lol [18:22]
anond: 2.14 [18:23]
diana_coman: horrible indeed [18:23]
diana_coman: what drivers do you have installed for your graphics card? [18:23]
anond: and the compuater slows dow completely...even the typing of keys is damaged [18:23]
diana_coman: on debian?? [18:24]
anond: oh..this is another (or the great novell) [18:24]
diana_coman: are you running it from within a virtual machine? [18:24]
anond: no real machine..not virtual [18:24]
diana_coman: very weird [18:24]
diana_coman: is that with the threads set to 1? [18:24]
anond: if you prefer we may chat in private...to not pollute the logs [18:25]
anond: yes setted already [18:25]
diana_coman: set like this: ThreadManager.Threads = 1 [18:25]
diana_coman: not just ThreadsManager = 1 [18:25]
anond: oh yes..may be this [18:25]
diana_coman: anond, computers are precise things, you can't just approximate... [18:26]
diana_coman: search the logs if you don't remember stuff, write it down etc [18:26]
diana_coman: anond, iirc you have a nvidia card [18:35]
diana_coman: as such, you might want to install the proprietary drivers for it [18:36]
diana_coman: if you are on debian, have a look maybe at this: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers [18:36]
lobbesbot: Title: NvidiaGraphicsDrivers - Debian Wiki (at wiki.debian.org) [18:36]
anond: yesterday i have received a message saying that i have a GPU that is supported by legaci..304..driver [18:38]
anond: https://thepb.in/p/xGhmpOrQW7WSM [18:40]
diana_coman: anond, read at the link I sent you as it has everything, including for legacy (older) cards and from what I see yours should be supported [18:40]
mircea_popescu: iirc drivers are actually on minigame page too [18:40]
diana_coman: yeah, but that page tries to hold his hand , that's why I sent him there [18:42]
anond: ok people [18:42]
anond: i have tried the instruction on that link yesterday [18:42]
mircea_popescu: kk [18:42]
anond: i have addes the lines of jessie to sources.list file (non free and contrib) [18:43]
shinohai: 15:31 * diana_coman is quite sure there are some people out there who will *still* not get something right even with a full script <<< didn't take long for *that* prophecy to be fulfilled [18:43]
anond: how may i have sure that i have JEssie here? [18:43]
anond: :) [18:44]
anond: dont subestimeate your 'pairs'... [18:44]
diana_coman: anond, lsb_release -a [18:45]
anond: yes release 8.6 Jessie [18:46]
anond: aditional lines are added as this: [18:47]
anond: deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib [18:47]
anond: deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib [18:47]
lobbesbot: Title: Index of /debianDebian Archive (at ftp.br.debian.org) [18:47]
lobbesbot: Title: Index of /debianDebian Archive (at ftp.br.debian.org) [18:47]
anond: next step is install this 'nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver ' package [18:48]
anond: i will do now...or better... Mia i do? [18:48]
anond: May i do? [18:48]
diana_coman: yes? [18:49]
anond: it says...'nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver ' is the newest version [18:49]
anond: now next stpe: Create an Xorg server configuration file. [18:49]
anond: should i do automatic or manual? [18:50]
diana_coman: anond, follow the steps on the wiki there [18:50]
anond: diana... i am following friend [18:51]
anond: just i need to know if i should do automatic or manual.. [18:51]
anond: i will do automatic [18:51]
mircea_popescu: should work. [18:52]
shinohai: cheers anond with a drink [~]D [18:52]
anond: it has runned well [18:52]
anond: Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf". [18:53]
anond: Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup' [18:53]
anond: New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' [18:53]
anond: shoul i open the generated file? to sse if is ok? [18:53]
anond: because now is the hour to restart the 'system' [18:54]
anond: only to say : 'i have done all this yestersday'.. i think may be a problem with GOU driver configuration at all [18:55]
anond: altough i have a GUI interface installed for NviaidControlPanel [18:55]
anond: thansk for the drink ..i prefer one that expels smoke [18:56]
anond: well guys [18:57]
anond: i will restart now [18:57]
shinohai: Updated build script, auto detects version and updates sources: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/o9ne3/?raw=true [18:58]
shinohai: tested & worx [18:58]
mircea_popescu: <deedbot> http://trilema.com/2016/mysterious-auction-of-grimy-mystery/ << Trilema - Mysterious Auction of Grimy Mystery! << prolly of great interest to veteran and new players alike! [18:59]
lobbesbot: Title: Mysterious Auction of Grimy Mystery! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [18:59]
shinohai: Read, and looking forward to this even [18:59]
shinohai: *event [18:59]
anond: you really want make me crazy [19:00]
mircea_popescu: mind that there's no credit, best make sure you have all the cash you want before sunday [19:00]
anond: thanks for the cascadian script..but how may iuse it? [19:00]
shinohai: you don't need it now that you have the .deb package [19:03]
lobbesbot: News from eulora: Mysterious Auction of Grimy Mystery! <http://trilema.com/2016/mysterious-auction-of-grimy-mystery/> [19:04]
anond: Cool..."God saves the 'Mystery Auction'" [19:07]
anond: mircae..diana..thanks you [19:21]
anond: sorry: mircea...diana...thanks you [19:21]
anond: as a last thing i would like to as Diana if i should wait for a new script to install eulora from the sources for debian (as informed to me by friend shinohai) and if yes... for when... [19:23]
mircea_popescu: uh ? [20:39]
shinohai: I told him not to run the script I posted earlier because there are no debian repos yet [20:41]
shinohai: And the Ubuntu ones will break install [20:41]
mircea_popescu: but i mean, didn't he have it running ? what install ? [20:42]
shinohai: he used jurov 's .deb ... only told me this AFTER we installed all his build deps [20:42]
mircea_popescu: lol [20:42]
shinohai: he saw my revised version in that paste, the one that replaces your sources.list [20:43]
lobbes: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-10-11.log.html#t22:59:19 << I must eliminate this notorious lobbesbot lag. Testing out a 'fix' elsewhere that I hope will do just this. [21:28]
lobbesbot: Title: #Eulora log for Tuesday, 2016-10-11 (at logs.minigame.bz) [21:28]
lobbes: and I haven't forgotten about search log via irc, log line quoter, and auction plugin [21:28]
shinohai: So just found out Electron limits how many items you can store in a single category lol [21:33]
mircea_popescu: cool deal lobbes [21:36]

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