#eulora Logs for 03 Apr 2016

April 3rd, 2016 by Diana Coman
mircea_popescu: wooot, bot worked overnight! [09:14]
diana_coman: ahaha, congrats [09:16]
mircea_popescu: :) [09:23]
mircea_popescu: so strangely enough - exact same get-up that got me q 448 eps yest gets me q 447 today. [09:47]
diana_coman: I've built a grass remark - maybe q went down? [09:48]
mircea_popescu: oh! [10:05]
mircea_popescu: must be huh. [10:05]
mircea_popescu: btw how much can you carry diana_coman ? [10:06]
diana_coman: max weight 403 [10:06]
mircea_popescu: darn [10:06]
diana_coman: yeah, foxy's puny [10:06]
mircea_popescu: so i hafta dig up a crumble remark, but the bundle is like 550. [10:06]
diana_coman: o.o [10:06]
diana_coman: maybe danielpbarron ? [10:06]
mircea_popescu: hey mod6 hanbot can you fit a crumbly rock remark bundle ? [10:07]
mircea_popescu: o, he was high ? [10:07]
diana_coman: or grundin [10:07]
mircea_popescu: can you fit it danielpbarron ? jurov ? [10:07]
mircea_popescu: lol that sounded weird. [10:07]
diana_coman: jurov, he was the heavy-weight champ [10:07]
mircea_popescu: o was he ? [10:07]
diana_coman: or maybe DicePower sees the opportunity to get himself a char with high weight, lol [10:08]
mircea_popescu: lol [10:08]
mircea_popescu: hows the quest for control coming along mang ? [10:08]
danielpbarron: yeah i can carry 550 [10:53]
danielpbarron: do i get a cut or what? [10:53]
danielpbarron: or i guess you just need me to buy it and drop it on the ground [10:54]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yeah need you to dig it up and bring it to the claim, i'll lock it in and process it later. [10:55]
mircea_popescu: not dig it up lol, buy it i mean. [10:55]
danielpbarron: i'll do it for 100k [10:57]
danielpbarron: and oo, got an ordinary leather from barehanded this morning [10:58]
danielpbarron: woah and just found an ord grass [11:06]
mircea_popescu: wd! [11:20]
diana_coman: sueastside, ever got an account? [11:54]
jurov: danielpbarron is bigger than me [11:57]
mircea_popescu: but are you over 550 ? [11:57]
jurov: 556 [12:16]
mircea_popescu: o hey. [12:16]
mircea_popescu: so how much to drag my bundle over ? [12:16]
jurov: 100k [12:17]
mircea_popescu: o.O [12:17]
jurov: ok, so 50k [12:18]
mircea_popescu: aite, aite. meet me in town and we go together ? [12:18]
jurov: kk [12:19]
mircea_popescu: ill be there in ~1 min. [12:19]
mircea_popescu: so it's 4790130 + 50000 = 4840130 [12:22]
jurov: weat's the rest? [12:22]
mircea_popescu: got 16 coins ? [12:23]
mircea_popescu: claim is at -333 300 [12:23]
jurov: no key? [12:23]
mircea_popescu: just come over drop it by me [12:23]
mircea_popescu: danke schon! [12:31]
jurov: done, ty [12:31]
mircea_popescu: in unexpected news, players can apparently make money in eulora by emulating mules. [12:31]
mircea_popescu: and pretty decent money at that, i know i take ~1 hour to clear something like 50k [12:32]
jurov: i doubt that would repeat [12:35]
mircea_popescu: why ? [12:36]
jurov: surely more players would want to get 50k quickly [12:41]
mircea_popescu: ah in that sense. mebbe. if they're big enough at any rate. [12:43]
jurov: or they make a script [12:49]
diana_coman: I suppose the question is more on how big and robust the demand for this service really is; see the previous xp with demand for low q resources [12:51]
mircea_popescu: more of a function of playerbase size than anything. [13:04]
mircea_popescu: not like i'll get more able to carry cr remark bundles in the future. [13:04]
mircea_popescu: anyway, re low q resource demand : the demand was there and robust. supply failed to materialize. EVENTUALLY, a year later, demand died out. this is normal, but also unrelated. [14:33]
mircea_popescu: i would guess the supply side failed to satisfy anything between 99 and 95\% of actual demand. [14:34]
mircea_popescu: that said demand was not permanent doesn't change the fact that it wasn't supplied, just like you not having electricity your entire life and then dieing does not signify you never really needed it anyway. [14:34]
diana_coman: doesn't make much sense to me: it actually died as soon as someone truly set out to get the stuff; basically there was much more stuff floating around that the crafters could actually process, simple as that; the later change to the new way of calculating q truly killed the whole thing indeed and that is what you are talking about there, but that has nothing to do with it [14:39]
diana_coman: so yes, you needed the electricity and quite badly, but overall what you needed was perhaps a small generator at best, not exactly a whole plant that could employ workers [14:40]
mircea_popescu: put a time on this "as soon as". [14:43]
mircea_popescu: i have about 60k spicy moss q < 10 in my storage. i have ~50k tpt q < 10 in my storage. they have been there for over six months each. [14:43]
mircea_popescu: exactly the same situation is repeating itself with tools atm, incidentally : immense amounts of tools are needed. there is no supply. this is a failure of supply, not of demand. [14:45]
mircea_popescu: the demand WILL eventually go away ; and when it does, the failure of supply will still be, and forever remain, a failure to supply. [14:45]
mircea_popescu: people want to hoard things in need, and nothing will be in need forever. add these two together and you get non-inflationary economy, i guess. [14:45]
diana_coman: "as soon as" -> when I set Gaxaro to work basically; he sold a few stacks of stuff that people had been shouting they needed and then that was it pretty much; same with dead molluscs - I still have stocks that apparently nobody needs (not that I am in a hurry to sell at all costs, but they are there and so what) [14:47]
diana_coman: as for tools now: I was selling tools and they were barely bought, they stayed there for ages, I think you are still selling them in your shop, aren't you? any buyers really? [14:47]
diana_coman: the imps you offered in auction sold for less than the basics, so really, what failure of supply are you really talking about? [14:48]
mircea_popescu: a value. say a date. [14:48]
diana_coman: mk, let me dig in logs [14:48]
mircea_popescu: and yes, among other things capital allocation is an utter mess. imps sell for less than basics, private deals go for 2x the auction price, cs fetch 200\% etc etc. [14:49]
mircea_popescu: but the fact that people can't price is unrelated to the fact that people can't supply, which is in turn unrelated to the fact that nothing's forever. [14:49]
diana_coman: on 3rd of March Gaxaro got his new account and people apparently needed all sorts of low q resources in high quantities if one is to read the logs of the day and subsequent few days; on the 7th I was already openly questioning this "demand" that danielpbarron still insisted was very much present; by the 8th, gaxaro was asking to build stuff and there were no takers [14:56]
diana_coman: as for tools now, it seems to me that it's really cs that there is any serious demand for [14:57]
diana_coman: anyway, maybe everything is badly skewed because there are so few people [14:58]
diana_coman: kind of makes it hard to have a lot going on [14:58]
mircea_popescu: when did the q change hit ? just about then neh ? [14:59]
diana_coman: after that [15:00]
diana_coman: I'm telling you: this was BEFORE the q change as such [15:00]
diana_coman: sure, that killed the demand, no question [15:00]
diana_coman: but the demand was in fact already dead [15:00]
diana_coman: simply because a noob set to work properly was getting 1 stack of resources per hour or some such shit [15:00]
diana_coman: and nobody would be able to process that in even 3 hours [15:00]
mircea_popescu: Mar 10 05:57:37 <mircea_popescu> changes in this update will be significant [15:01]
diana_coman: so yes, 10th of March, AFTER 8th, lol [15:01]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [15:02]
mircea_popescu: so what you're saying here is, that for ~1 year there was huge demand for people to supply noob materials ; and eventually by and by noobs showed up and started supplying, [15:02]
mircea_popescu: until eventually catching up to the demand [15:02]
mircea_popescu: which fortuitously came two days before the quality changes melted the demand away ? [15:02]
diana_coman: kind of unrelated: in half hour, I got 80 flotsam worth in total 17k, out of 80 hits with an imp hoe; same 80 hits with an imp hoe on bb or similar would get me some 15 beans max, meaning total value 7k [15:04]
diana_coman: kind of : wtf would I dig and sell beans for? [15:04]
mircea_popescu: i can see the logic of "a noob set to work properly was getting 1 stack of resources per hour or some such shit and nobody would be able to process that in even 3 hours". because i personally would have been buying more, but had finally large enough stacks to keep me busy for a while, so stopped buying. [15:04]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i got 62 eps out of 25 cs. [15:05]
diana_coman: well, on the other hand look at the molluscs stack or tlc for that matter [15:05]
mircea_popescu: ie 15k each o.O [15:05]
mircea_popescu: hey, i got like 3k tlc! and processed like half of it, too [15:05]
diana_coman: there it was just one go and you were full; birdman did not even have a market for building his tlc remark [15:05]
mircea_popescu: if i hadn't had it, we'd be in shit because silk needed for tomes. [15:05]
diana_coman: well, we are in shit anyway because canines needed for tomes, but yeah [15:06]
mircea_popescu: well that was more a function of other things - 1 tlc remark means what, 50k ltf. we didn't have 50k ltf [15:06]
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> which fortuitously came two days before the quality changes melted the demand away ? <- pretty much, yes [15:06]
diana_coman: but more to the point: [15:06]
diana_coman: it was just a lack of noobs that kept the demand so "high" [15:07]
mircea_popescu: well in a sense. obviously it's much easier to make a noob than a veteran crafter. [15:07]
diana_coman: kind of artificially high, because really, how many noobs did it take? [15:07]
mircea_popescu: so in that sense, the crafter is the fixed point ; the noobs mobile. [15:07]
mircea_popescu: i dunno... in the end it took a years' worth ? [15:08]
diana_coman: uhm, you are mixing things [15:08]
diana_coman: the fact that it takes eulora 1 year to attract 4 noobs is kind of a different thing, wouldn't you say? [15:08]
mircea_popescu: no, i'm aware most of the productive work by an objective criteria was done on the tai lend of that year. [15:08]
mircea_popescu: but you gotta allow for the fact that noobs are noobs, you don't get to so pick and choose criteria. [15:09]
mircea_popescu: otherwise we're talking a vet-noob chimera. [15:09]
diana_coman: anyway, tbf I'm not even sure where are you taking this "year" thing [15:09]
diana_coman: iirc last summer around AUGUST rather than April I was working on the bot [15:10]
diana_coman: so I doubt there was such huge demand [15:10]
mircea_popescu: and eulora attracting has ~0 to do with it. eulora attracted the example you give, glaxaro. TWO MONTHS ? [15:10]
mircea_popescu: which he spent fucking around ? [15:10]
diana_coman: can you put a concrete date on this high demand thing? [15:10]
mircea_popescu: the attracting part is one thing ; but then noobs have nfi what to do, which is the definition of noobdom [15:10]
mircea_popescu: i know for a fact that i would have bought 1mn flotsam any q at any point between june 2015 and late feb 2016. [15:11]
mircea_popescu: i periodically stated this in chan. [15:11]
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> the attracting part is one thing ; but then noobs have nfi what to do, which is the definition of noobdom <- true, this is why I said a well set noob [15:12]
mircea_popescu: yeah but a well set noob is like a well made burger king. [15:12]
diana_coman: lol [15:12]
mircea_popescu: it's a burger king, whadda ya want. [15:12]
diana_coman: so by late feb 2016 you had actually had your flotsam supplied? [15:13]
diana_coman: or what? [15:13]
mircea_popescu: not exactly, but i had bought large amts of various things. [15:13]
mircea_popescu: so i was ok for a while. i'd prolly still have bought it if offered [15:14]
diana_coman: I think the true demand there was (and possibly still is, though I am not even sure of this) for noobs; the resources thing was a less robust demand precisely because of limited processing capability in fact [15:15]
mircea_popescu: but by that point i had bought many k's of tlc from birdman, and had many bottles, and a large supply of low q sm, wm ; also many dm , so was working on making acg/io/mc [15:15]
mircea_popescu: i was basically sitting on ~3 weeks worth of straight crafting or somesuch. [15:15]
mircea_popescu: then the electron bundles hit, i spent a bunch of coin on that, and well... was kinda reevaluating things. [15:17]
mircea_popescu: in any case - the crisis was one of pricing not of demand per se. i'd still buy 1mn flotsam even today, sanely priced. [15:17]
diana_coman: well, just a bit ago you stated that pricing is a mess, so ... [15:18]
mircea_popescu: as by now - a month later - i more or less dug myself from under my stores. 2 sb remarks, gone to ppb, and to cs ; 200 cheeses made ; 50+ dt ; hundreds of silks ; many wos, btk, ms etc. 150mn+ worth of craft time. [15:18]
mircea_popescu: many other things really - i made 50 toils ; and charcoal, bottles ; 1k sps, on and on. [15:19]
mircea_popescu: a dozen or so clicks on abc is like 5mn just that. [15:19]
diana_coman: could be that it is at the root of everything; on the other hand the question is also whether at what you call sane price, a noob actually ends up even in the slightest positive after accounting for all the misses and the cft+lbn [15:19]
mircea_popescu: yeah, pricing is TRULY a mess, not just for some, but for all. [15:20]
mircea_popescu: i have nfi [15:20]
diana_coman: add to that the small calc I shared a bit earlier re flotsam vs bb [15:21]
mircea_popescu: but it's not just flotsam. i'd buy sr, and boulders, and cr and nt. or bottles, say, or ibs, or slag etc. [15:21]
mircea_popescu: many different items. [15:21]
diana_coman: basically by any sane measure, I should ditch the bb and all that jazz [15:21]
diana_coman: and just dig out flotsam day and night [15:21]
diana_coman: I'm sure there is even a market for 220+ q flotsam [15:21]
mircea_popescu: o also grass. actually first and foremost grass. [15:21]
mircea_popescu: if i had 1mn grass i could process it right away. [15:21]
mircea_popescu: take me two weeks + or such, but still. [15:22]
diana_coman: trouble is: if I do this, then no more cons basically, no bods, no chances of bps [15:22]
diana_coman: essentially we are waiting to eat up all existing bps [15:22]
diana_coman: and then there will suddenly be a "demand" for bb or some such [15:22]
mircea_popescu: 1000000 ÷ 3 ÷ 3600 ÷ 24 × 4 = 15.43 [15:22]
mircea_popescu: check that out, two weeks almost exactly lol [15:22]
diana_coman: dunno, maybe it's still the sanest course of action [15:22]
diana_coman: heh, let me see something [15:22]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it's not as strict as that, i have tons of low q bb. [15:22]
mircea_popescu: the question of "is it worth to use this or that" has no good answer, which is what paralyzes action [15:23]
mircea_popescu: and all the clever minds that could be solving this and are now in huge demand are sitting on ass much like noobs did for a year. [15:23]
mircea_popescu: i keep trying to nudge them, but there's no helping people. [15:23]
diana_coman: well, rationally or irrationally, I am atm quite totally against the idea of making shitty bods [15:23]
diana_coman: lol [15:23]
mircea_popescu: on the contrary, they make it a point of pride to not be helped. [15:23]
diana_coman: well, they probably have their feet on fire, hence you offering to cool their head doesn't quite compute [15:24]
mircea_popescu: lol [15:24]
mircea_popescu: could be, could be. [15:24]
mircea_popescu: for instance : if you had to choose, and either use q 100 bb and q 200 eps ; or q 200 bb and q 100 eps, for bods. which is the right choice ? [15:25]
mircea_popescu: recall that endless article i wrote trying to decide if to buy your bng or not ? that sort of thing. it's really hard to cut through. [15:25]
diana_coman: oh, for basic resources you are paying 115\%? weird, that's all I say, lol [15:25]
mircea_popescu: i am ? [15:26]
diana_coman: that's what I see on your shop page? [15:26]
mircea_popescu: yeh i am. [15:26]
mircea_popescu: well there should be a premium for the rarer ones neh ? [15:26]
diana_coman: by slashing the basic ones? lol [15:26]
diana_coman: the funny thing is that I made that flotsam vs bb calc on base value anyway, so the \% on top is not going to make a terrible diff, but the thing is that there is basically no real reason to sell at 115\% [15:27]
diana_coman: like: none [15:27]
mircea_popescu: why, are you going to use ? [15:27]
diana_coman: dunno, maybe if I run out of storage space, but then again, I can start crafting [15:27]
diana_coman: flotsam goes into everything [15:27]
diana_coman: tons of it [15:27]
diana_coman: slag, bms [15:27]
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, rich preppy people with lots of cash have no reason to sell [15:27]
mircea_popescu: news at 11, as they say. [15:28]
diana_coman: lol [15:28]
diana_coman: on the other hand poor people a la Ali don't have the means to have anything to sell [15:28]
mircea_popescu: hey, actually i was going to talk to him, but seems he's offline. i ended up buying his boulders from electron, paying 2 each. i am sure he got 1 each. this is ridoinculous. [15:29]
diana_coman: not to mention that flotsam and boulders are basics but due to their weight I am totally reluctant to sell them, lol [15:29]
diana_coman: as it's a pain to get them compared to lighter stuff [15:29]
diana_coman: bwahaha [15:29]
diana_coman: need some low q boulder? [15:29]
diana_coman: I can sell those [15:29]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you don't need to convince me that in a deflationary (read : non-fiat ; non-inflationary) economy one can find many and plurious reasons to justify why they dun wanna sell things. [15:29]
mircea_popescu: hoarding is hoarding! [15:29]
diana_coman: bwahahaha, I am a noob-hoarder compared to experts such as danielpbarron [15:30]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i got just enough for a run of 500 io [15:30]
mircea_popescu: which i did half overnight and ima do the rest tonight [15:30]
mircea_popescu: then prolly get the cr remark. [15:30]
mircea_popescu: but during day i prefer to stick up the eps. hopefully i get enough to make some decent bod. [15:31]
mircea_popescu: a btw, you decided not to sell high bb in the end ? [15:31]
diana_coman: well, all I'm saying is that I can part with a stack of q1 boulders without any trouble [15:31]
mircea_popescu: that wouldn't hurt. how much ? [15:31]
diana_coman: ah, let me see what I got re bb, as I did promise I'll get it, won't back down on it now [15:31]
diana_coman: guess won't promise more, but what is set is set [15:31]
mircea_popescu: a that's nice then! [15:31]
mircea_popescu: 150*17 = 2550 pcs covers me to make all the bods i have bps for. [15:32]
diana_coman: for the boulders, I don't even know, lol [15:33]
mircea_popescu: lol [15:34]
mircea_popescu: 30 cs, 5 ords and 73 eps q 447 [15:34]
diana_coman: ha, perfect moment to find out real price of low q res, no? [15:35]
mircea_popescu: if only. [15:35]
diana_coman: AUCTION: 9999 boulders q1, opening price 9999coppers; closing 4 April 8pm gmt [15:36]
diana_coman: danielpbarron, jurov hanbot, anyone else interested ^ [15:36]
mircea_popescu: 59 × 10000 × 1 × 1.15 = 6785 lol. [15:36]
mircea_popescu: but fine, 10k. [15:36]
diana_coman: oh, I thought 1 copper per was min [15:36]
mircea_popescu: i wonder if electron gives you less than 1 per. [15:37]
diana_coman: but I am fine to start it from 6785 [15:37]
mircea_popescu: 10k, it's bid. [15:37]
diana_coman: yeah, he gives 0, lol [15:37]
mircea_popescu: lol asshole. [15:37]
diana_coman: AUCTION: 9999 boulders q1, heard 10k from mircea_popescu ; closing 4 April 8pm gmt [15:37]
mircea_popescu: should prolly say you know, "thank you for your generous donation to the shareholders" [15:37]
diana_coman: ahahha, indeed [15:37]
mircea_popescu: so the ord bundles are 50k ea [15:37]
diana_coman: he could give a donation certificate [15:38]
danielpbarron: kol style [15:38]
diana_coman: yeah, and they are a steal: I got consistently less than that on bb ords, lol [15:38]
mircea_popescu: anwyay, my cash position looks pretty sad, halved this year [15:39]
mircea_popescu: and that's with significant propping ;/ [15:39]
mircea_popescu: 28 q 214 [15:40]
mircea_popescu: half the bundle, if the stick were free ;/ [15:41]
diana_coman: so 2550 bbs is what you need, right? I have them 224q [15:42]
mircea_popescu: sveet. [15:42]
diana_coman: where are you? [15:42]
mircea_popescu: out by teh eps lol. [15:43]
mircea_popescu: meet for the boulders and settle it then ? [15:43]
diana_coman: ok, won't carry boulders out of town, lol [15:43]
mircea_popescu: o you got them out ? [15:43]
diana_coman: oh, noooo [15:43]
diana_coman: it's an auction!!! [15:43]
diana_coman: lolz [15:43]
mircea_popescu: lol this would be a decent punishment, gotta carry 10k boulders over to the tree [15:43]
diana_coman: who knows, maybe there's actually a huge hidden demand for the low q boulders [15:44]
mircea_popescu: somehow i doubt this, but who knows. [15:44]
mircea_popescu: maybe someone finds out their wife was cheating or somesuch. [15:44]
diana_coman: lol [15:44]
mircea_popescu: holy shit 18 this time [15:44]
diana_coman: 18 eps from one claim? [15:45]
mircea_popescu: yes. [15:45]
diana_coman: one ord? [15:45]
mircea_popescu: q 250 bundle! [15:45]
diana_coman: welcome to a true gatherer's world, what can I say [15:45]
diana_coman: really, I'll stick to flotsam for a while [15:45]
diana_coman: it makes for very nice q slag and the like, can't even say I don't need it [15:46]
mircea_popescu: hopes to one day buy all the flotsam he needs [15:46]
mircea_popescu: but that day's clearly not upon us yet. [15:46]
mircea_popescu: 151 snails out of 5 [16:02]
mircea_popescu: so, 30 cs worth 1.2mn in + 5 ord bundles, 250k + 27 * 7 * 180 * 1.6 * ? = 50-100k spent. [16:02]
mircea_popescu: 151 eps q 214 and 73 q 447 = 650 "normal" eps. [16:03]
mircea_popescu: 1500000 / 650 / 399 = 5.783689994 so on the basis of this 30 stick run eps should carry a close to 600\% margin. [16:05]
mircea_popescu: ima go try get it bh now see. [16:05]
mircea_popescu: lol i got 1 bn [17:14]
danielpbarron: used my mcguyver consideration, got hoof gloves and skullcaps :< [17:16]
mircea_popescu: lots ? [17:17]
danielpbarron: what's lots, enough [17:18]
mircea_popescu: 10 or 1000 not teh same thing [17:18]
danielpbarron: not what i wanted so not worth what i paid for it [17:18]
diana_coman: skullcaps at least are useful [17:20]
diana_coman: I mean: needed for lapidary, so not that terrible [17:20]
mircea_popescu: tru [17:23]
diana_coman: danielpbarron, want was it you wanted? [17:23]
diana_coman: what* [17:24]
mircea_popescu: tool bps iirc [17:24]
diana_coman: hm, imp you mean? or what's the reasoning in tools being from mcguyver? [17:24]
mircea_popescu: no like craft tables [17:24]
diana_coman: (assuming that they are not all randomly given anyway) [17:25]
diana_coman: ah, craft containers [17:25]
mircea_popescu: ya [17:25]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you avail for bb ? [17:26]
diana_coman: hm, I'd be surprised if those were not only with some pops or the like, judging by their bv otherwise and previous experience in looting them even before the change [17:26]
diana_coman: ah, yes, can do [17:26]
mircea_popescu: cool. [17:26]
diana_coman: ready [17:27]
mircea_popescu: 1,5mn was it ? [17:27]
diana_coman: 1.46 precisely [17:28]
diana_coman: uhm, I don't have change [17:28]
mircea_popescu: me eiother ;/ [17:28]
diana_coman: that's what I have, will owe 304k? [17:29]
mircea_popescu: there [17:29]
diana_coman: ah, cool [17:30]
mircea_popescu: btw, i just did mah math, i'd buy 25k leather also. [17:31]
mircea_popescu: ummm actually no. [17:31]
diana_coman: lol [17:31]
diana_coman: the shortest lived demand EVER [17:32]
mircea_popescu: i'd buy 52 * 22k = 1.150 mn [17:32]
mircea_popescu: in cash. [17:32]
diana_coman: ? [17:33]
mircea_popescu: at q 100 that's a projected base value of 175mn [17:33]
diana_coman: do you mean you'd buy 22k wpl at 52coppers qabv? [17:33]
mircea_popescu: i would buy 1.15 million wpl. [17:34]
diana_coman: o.o [17:34]
diana_coman: sadly I doubt it is even by far as profitable as flotsam; will check just in case [17:35]
mircea_popescu: add to that 1mn flotsam ; 1mn grass ; 500k sr ; 300k cr ; 100k rf ; 1mn nt [17:36]
mircea_popescu: and 1mn sb [17:36]
mircea_popescu: not going to bore anyone with the craftables. [17:36]
diana_coman: are you talking any q there or low q or high q? [17:36]
mircea_popescu: any really. [17:36]
diana_coman: Ali got plenty of market, curious if he notices any of it, lol [17:37]
diana_coman: or DicePower for that matter [17:37]
diana_coman: ha, making some cft 259q! [17:39]
mircea_popescu: nice! [17:40]
mircea_popescu: im making some bod. bundle 212 bp 200 curious what comes out [17:40]
diana_coman: and I'm even getting some feelingses to go with it, so that's 259q feelings, should be a dime or so [17:41]
mircea_popescu: lol [17:41]
mircea_popescu: wth grass is that, gives you feelings and q 259 cft [17:41]
diana_coman: my own grass, q317, I think it's from the remark [17:42]
mircea_popescu: pretty good [17:42]
diana_coman: I have reasonable cft bps too, wish I just had the same for io really [17:42]
mircea_popescu: coming out q 252 [18:06]
mircea_popescu: nb imo [18:06]
mircea_popescu: i don't recall, what q bod was i buying from you diana_coman ? [18:25]
hanbot: nice pop diana_coman [18:39]
Birdman: higher value outputs give more exp too, got a full level in building and nearly got a full farming level from a bare handed ord that micro popped [20:30]
mircea_popescu: nice [21:51]
mircea_popescu: ahh i tell you, seeing these bods you made with your own hands be worth 74k is so pleasant [21:56]
Birdman: ill buy some bods [22:18]
mircea_popescu: not selling tho, i need another 176 tro go through my cons. [22:37]
danielpbarron: ali just logged in [22:42]
danielpbarron: hi alikim [23:20]
alikim: hi [23:20]
danielpbarron: wah gwan [23:21]
alikim: I don't play much [23:22]
danielpbarron: you should leave a bot going all day every day [23:22]
alikim: the quality of my stuff is dropping, it was 4 then 3, now it's 2 [23:22]
danielpbarron: lol [23:22]
alikim: not worth even electicity [23:23]
danielpbarron: you wanna work for me yet? or still trying to do everything alone? [23:25]
alikim: if by everything you mean running a bot, yeah [23:28]
danielpbarron: i am offering you a chance to rank up for free basically [23:29]
alikim: I don't like to owe anyone anything [23:30]
danielpbarron: i'd give you threads, some coppers, and a location to run the bot, and you just let it run, collecting some resource for me, and paying for training as needed [23:30]
danielpbarron: you wouldn't owe me anything but whatever things you gather that would be the product of my threads [23:31]
danielpbarron: no specific amount, just whatever comes out [23:31]
alikim: why don't you do it yourself? [23:31]
danielpbarron: i do! [23:31]
danielpbarron: wouldn't mind a second set of hands [23:32]
danielpbarron: all day my character is doing something, usually barehanded gathering like you do [23:32]
danielpbarron: i still have many low quality blueprints and i want to match up your low quality ingredients with them [23:32]
alikim: maybe sometime later [23:34]
danielpbarron: i don't want to give you bits of nothing though, so i guess you'd have to let any tinies you find go to waste, or lock them [23:34]
danielpbarron: i don't think the latest foxybot locks tinies though -- I had to modify mine to do that [23:35]
danielpbarron: you'd still get the ennumerations, which would be useful later when ennumerations no longer come for free with exploration markers [23:35]
alikim: I'm playing this game out of curiousity, whenever I want and do what I want, I don't need a second job, what for? I'm not gonna earn any real money here [23:37]
danielpbarron: i think you'll find the most curious things in working for others until you are no longer a noob [23:37]
danielpbarron: otherwise it'll all seem very sparse [23:38]
danielpbarron: it's actually overwhelming how much stuff there is to do, but from your point of view it must seem so simplistic as to not even be anything [23:38]

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