| diana_coman: | hm, 453 cdg 257q for 1 night of bare-handed gathering | [03:33] |
| diana_coman: | no ords to show for it though, less than half what I'd get with a tool, but that's still some 25k net there | [03:36] |
| diana_coman: | oh, for proper comparison it must be said that same time would have landed me some 3k grass with a tool | [04:07] |
| diana_coman: | so overall I can certainly still see a point for using a tool; however, *not* using one is also a reasonable option at some point | [04:08] |
| danielpbarron: | i got like 5 ords from doing it for a week i think | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | aha, not that bad reallu | [09:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty good, 60k ? | [09:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | 453 * 2.57 * 60 = 69852.6 ie 70k not 25 ? | [09:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah is -45k fpor the lbn ? | [09:42] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, I counted it rounded for the lbn | [09:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | still, it is one of the few things we knew for CERTAIN to be +ev. | [09:54] |
| diana_coman: | yes, it certainly is; I was quite curious just how much +ev and how it compares to a tool-run; it also certainly got better after the latest change due to higher q on all those tinies basically | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | yep | [10:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | well at the cost of much more expensiuve lbn tho | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | hm, not so sure about that: the lbn is now higher q too; it's a bit difficult to calculate exactly how expensive the lbn is now due to those changing cons and all the rare stuff going in there (canines but also us for wheel and for screens) | [10:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | ya | [10:35] |
| alikim: | hi all | [14:18] |
| alikim: | where do I get skill books? | [14:18] |
| danielpbarron: | other players | [14:38] |
| diana_coman: | hi alikim, you can buy them | [14:39] |
| diana_coman: | I think the basic skills are like 100k the book | [14:39] |
| alikim: | only from other players? are they craftable? | [14:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | they are craftable yes. | [14:43] |
| alikim: | what kind of stuff from tiny markers has any value for people? all I find is quality 4 | [15:11] |
| Birdman: | a higher level person can take that stuff and craft it into higher quality stuff | [15:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | they all have value. | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's a list with the base values (q 100) on the wiki | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | but you should prolly focus on grass i'd guess. | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's maybe the most tolerant to low q atm. or maybe sb. | [15:23] |
| alikim: | ok I'll sell it to the robot then | [15:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you can get a larger pile together prolly worth your time to seek a human | [15:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | but for low qty yeah, prolly faster. | [15:25] |
| alikim: | can you give me alink to prices, I can't find anything on wiki | [15:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | onesec alikim | [15:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://www.eulorum.org/Index_of_Resources | [15:36] |
| lobbesbot: | Title: Index of Resources - Eulorum (at www.eulorum.org) | [15:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's also miner maps and stuff linked from the mining page. | [15:37] |
| alikim: | are those prices for the robot or for people? | [15:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's what the robot pays for q 100 | [15:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | lower quality scales down proportionally ; higher quality scales up | [15:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | people generally pay a \% on top of that. | [15:39] |
| alikim: | kk thanks | [15:39] |
| alikim: | how do I increase the quality of these resources? | [15:44] |
| diana_coman: | by getting the building skill | [15:48] |
| diana_coman: | or perhaps buying some higher q enums I suppose | [15:48] |
| diana_coman: | and/or higher q bits of nothing | [15:48] |
| alikim: | so I need 100k copper to buy a skill? | [15:48] |
| diana_coman: | I'll sell a building book (skill-giving) for 100k, yes; don't know about others, maybe someone else sells it for less | [15:50] |
| alikim: | I can make a few hundred per day, it'll take years to save money for that | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | maybe take jobs from people then as they are likely to be more lucrative? | [15:50] |
| diana_coman: | or buy 100k coppers ? | [15:51] |
| diana_coman: | come to think about it - I think your q will actually slowly increase as you train your gathering skill too | [15:55] |
| diana_coman: | does the quality of your enums increases alikim ? | [15:56] |
| alikim: | no idea, I'm running a bot | [15:56] |
| alikim: | while playing actual games | [15:56] |
| alikim: | the q of stuff is always 4 | [15:56] |
| Birdman: | do they sell chill pills where you live> | [15:59] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [16:00] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah his quality will go up with gathering | [16:25] |
| danielpbarron: | my saved up old enums make some very high quality stuff | [16:26] |
| Birdman: | i have tons of high q tiny enums | [17:24] |
| Birdman: | 200+ | [17:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman> or buy 100k coppers ? << 1mn is a bitcent ie about 4 dollars. 100k is then four dimes. | [22:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | it obviously can also be earned, but i guess kinda slowly. | [22:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | bootstrapping is always slow in the early phases, way of the world. | [22:07] |
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