#eulora Logs for 05 Mar 2016



March 5th, 2016 by Diana Coman
Birdman: Gaxaro she gives you tools and threads then you just do the work? [00:02]
Gaxaro: Yes [00:03]
danielpbarron: you know if you were to trade your 10\% for tools+threads they would have to be kept separate from whatever your deal with her? [00:05]
Gaxaro: Yeah i know. [00:05]
Birdman: ill offer you 15\% [00:06]
Gaxaro: Well, i am staying loyal to her and she's helping me and such and i wont break that. [00:07]
Birdman: Well i dont want your loyalty, just your work [00:11]
Gaxaro: Well i am working with her right now and i need to see what she says [00:11]
Birdman: kk im around, the island is pretty small [00:13]
Gaxaro: 1 tool + 635 threads it was then [00:14]
Gaxaro: 5765 it is then [00:15]
Gaxaro: meet me at the village [00:15]
Gaxaro: Daniel? [00:23]
Gaxaro: 5 stacks of 9999 grass not bad lol [00:31]
Gaxaro: I think my debt is paid of now, proberly lol. But of course im still gonna help her and listen on what she has to say and such. [00:34]
Gaxaro: I wont do mistakes again [00:34]
diana_coman: hmmm, ftr the part with grass going for "much more than that" is kind of unclear atm; but let's clarify it, no problem: 9999 grass q1 going for 420k; who wants it? danielpbarron jurov Birdman mircea_popescu [02:33]
Birdman: diana_coman interested in trading tools? [03:03]
diana_coman: Birdman, not really much need of adzes as such, but feel free to make an offer and I'll consider it [03:13]
Birdman: just looking for 1:1 use/quality [03:13]
diana_coman: well, I have no use for adzes really, so no incentive to trade for them [03:15]
Birdman: no problem [03:15]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I got low q ss with Gaxaro, so let me know how many you want for 2k each, as per your shop [04:54]
diana_coman: good grief, 12 ords at 250q and not even 1 single farming level ranked up [05:51]
Gaxaro: Um i need help.. [06:24]
Gaxaro: The work bench is clipping throw the hill and i can see the red text but i cannot interact with it.. [06:25]
diana_coman: ftr I helped him there, no problems [07:21]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> it being quality 1 just means we wouldn't get hardly any experience for doing it, but we hardly get any from quality 5 so the difference is negligeable << in two days of threading grass my bar moved maybe one pixel for tink [08:12]
mircea_popescu: AUCTION : one stack CFT, q 157, min bid 4mn . eta 17:00 ART [08:15]
mircea_popescu: Birdman> Gaxaro she gives you tools and threads then you just do the work? << lol epic, check out the serfdom in eulora! [08:15]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman atm still got > 100k grass im working, and apparently the demand for cft is ~ bupkiss, so i won't be buying more. [08:18]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i'll take say 500 ss. how many you got ? [08:18]
mircea_popescu: course had this grass come to market BEFORE i dug up my grass remarkable, i'd have bought 20-30 stacks. [08:22]
mircea_popescu: but no, the way it must work is that here i sit asking for grass for three months straight, 0 offer, then i finally dig up the remark, three days later 'oh we wanna sell grass'. meanwhile for six months "oh we need threads", now i finally got threads for sale, "well... nevermind". [08:23]
mircea_popescu: i suppose the grenadine lesson re eulora is that you;'d have to be a fucking idiot to allow "the market" to direct your activity. [08:23]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> diana_coman i'll take say 500 ss. how many you got ? <- heh, a few ks, so 500 no problem at all [08:25]
mircea_popescu: aite, make it 1k then [08:25]
diana_coman: cool, will take it out in a min [08:25]
diana_coman: also: do you want any low q flotsam? at 70\% as per your shop [08:25]
mircea_popescu: nah i got a stack, and the sr to process it, will be making it ibs later on, after which ima see if i buy more grass or more f/sr or wtf. [08:26]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> i suppose the grenadine lesson re eulora is that you;'d have to be a fucking idiot to allow "the market" to direct your activity. <- I quite got this feeling too after a few (hopefully less disastrous experiences) [08:26]
mircea_popescu: lotta speech but very little follow through. [08:26]
diana_coman: heh, curious if anybody else wants it, seeing how everybody screams around about the price but then nobody seems to come forward to buy it [08:27]
diana_coman: anyway: do you want any other resources specifically, low q? [08:27]
diana_coman: and re cft, fwiw I offer 135\% mircea_popescu and I'll buy a few stacks no problem [08:28]
mircea_popescu: canines, st, that's about it atm. [08:28]
diana_coman: lol, only the unfound ones - tbh I'm working on that too, but it seems to still need quite a while [08:28]
mircea_popescu: my crafting hopper's full for ~ a month, making cft, ibs, io/tools once you deliver lft, i still gotta make a shitton of gt and wos, also i have more clicks on the cons bp, [08:29]
mircea_popescu: about 100mn worth of goods lined up for clicking i'd say. [08:29]
diana_coman: oh yeah, let me check the ltf too, should have about 500 at least [08:29]
mircea_popescu: just gimme when the run'\s done, for now i got plenty of other stuff to click [08:29]
diana_coman: so my 1.35 on your cft would be 3.8mn for that stack, that's my offer on it basically [08:29]
mircea_popescu: aite, ima consider it. [08:30]
mircea_popescu: danke [08:31]
diana_coman: thanks! [08:31]
mircea_popescu: anyway, have cft bps even been found so far ? [08:32]
diana_coman: I have no idea, I'm not into that at all [08:32]
diana_coman: I hope I don't have to GET into it so that I don't run out of bps [08:33]
diana_coman: but fwiw, I can alternatively commission you to make me some cft [08:33]
diana_coman: so that you use by bps for now [08:33]
mircea_popescu: cuz by my calculations, something like 100 adzes come to 1.44mn total durability which would be like 8-9k clicks, which would be like 7-8k smalls which would be like 50k cft, give or take. [08:33]
diana_coman: well, that's Birdman's problem/calculation to do [08:34]
mircea_popescu: if it's true that every 20th tool i make creates demand for a full stack of cft, the cft should fly off. [08:34]
diana_coman: and no idea what he has or whether he did it or whatever [08:34]
mircea_popescu: but no, its the reverse. [08:34]
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'ma retire this auction for lack of interest and we see how things go. [08:34]
diana_coman: kk [08:35]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, any wm you want? [08:59]
diana_coman: low q [08:59]
diana_coman: got a few ks of those too [08:59]
mircea_popescu: lemme look [08:59]
mircea_popescu: 1.5k for 1mn ? [09:00]
diana_coman: works [09:00]
diana_coman: thanks! [09:01]
mircea_popescu: q1 check that out! [09:01]
diana_coman: yeah, my apprentice builds at q1 [09:01]
diana_coman: apparently even in the claim from what he says [09:01]
Birdman: diana_coman good grief, 12 ords at 250q and not even 1 single farming level ranked up << farming is suuuch a pain [14:44]
diana_coman: lol, so not only for me [14:44]
Birdman: i cant even realistically rank it up without ords and im half your level [14:44]
diana_coman: well, you know I already went through all that basically, so nothing new there [14:45]
diana_coman: and I DID rank it up without ords [14:45]
diana_coman: as it was before the ord bundles bonanza [14:45]
Birdman: Must have been a blast [14:46]
Birdman: got over 4k from a small wpl claim [18:12]
mircea_popescu: wd! [18:16]
Birdman: mircea_popescu are you interested in my mid quality groceries? [20:45]
danielpbarron: hello XArti [20:55]
XArti: hello [20:57]
XArti: xD I'm new [20:57]
danielpbarron: that you are [20:58]
danielpbarron: how can I help you? [20:58]
XArti: How do I install? [20:58]
XArti: .-. It seems complicated [20:59]
mircea_popescu: heya XArti [20:59]
XArti: Hiya [20:59]
mircea_popescu: do you have a pgp key ? [20:59]
XArti: pgp key? [21:00]
XArti: o.o [21:00]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i tell you the metagame is fun :) [21:00]
mircea_popescu: XArti are you on windows ? [21:00]
XArti: Yuppers [21:00]
mircea_popescu: alright. you'll need something like kleopatra or gpg4win or something. make yourself a key, register with assbot, after which you can have an account. [21:00]
mircea_popescu: the game itself - you can either run jurov's binaries or compile yourself. [21:01]
XArti: Right. Lets hope I get this right. [21:02]
mircea_popescu: well if you run into trouble you can always ask here. [21:02]
XArti: Aight [21:03]
XArti: And after I create this key, what do I do xD [21:04]
mircea_popescu: you push it to keyservers. [21:04]
mircea_popescu: one sec [21:04]
mircea_popescu: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/ [21:05]
lobbesbot: Title: SKS OpenPGP Public Key Server (at pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371) [21:05]
XArti: Eh, I got the program running [21:14]
mircea_popescu: nice! [21:14]
XArti: :P, But I don't get the keys n stuff xD [21:15]
mircea_popescu: well, you'll have to. [21:15]
XArti: .-. Mmmm. [21:15]
XArti: So I have the kleopatra client running [21:16]
mircea_popescu: cool. made a key yet ? [21:16]
XArti: Don't know how. o.o [21:16]
mircea_popescu: create new key or something [21:16]
XArti: New key pair right? [21:17]
mircea_popescu: yea [21:17]
XArti: So what do I do with this key. [21:18]
mircea_popescu: submit it at the url i gave you above [21:18]
XArti: The fingerprint? [21:19]
mircea_popescu: no, the whole public key [21:20]
mircea_popescu: (not the private key, keep that safe and secret) [21:20]
XArti: So the Key ID then. [21:20]
XArti: [Sorry for sounding lost] [21:20]
mircea_popescu: nope. [21:20]
mircea_popescu: the actual key. looks something like http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/ [21:21]
lobbesbot: Title: Contact : PGP on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. (at trilema.com) [21:21]
XArti: Ok...its a long string of letters. [21:26]
mircea_popescu: yea [21:26]
XArti: Right. [21:26]
XArti: And simply copy and paste these letters to submit [21:28]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [21:29]
Artizan: And I got it [21:38]
mircea_popescu: heya [21:38]
mircea_popescu: Artizan are you xarti from b4 ? [21:39]
Artizan: Yup [21:39]
Artizan: People keep taking my nicks [21:39]
Artizan: ?:3 [21:39]
Artizan: Anyways I loaded the key [21:39]
mircea_popescu: so register the nick then. cool. now you have to give it a little to be processed, meanwhile tell assbot about it. [21:39]
mircea_popescu: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot << see in there where it says "register" [21:40]
lobbesbot: Title: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] (at wiki.bitcoin-assets.com) [21:40]
Artizan: !register <-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- [21:44]
Artizan: Version: GnuPG v2 [21:44]
Artizan: mQENBFbblrABCADIv4udPSXYLvRA78tAqZH3rilERXtpoC/LfQpRCvcvmoHjoR5h [21:44]
Artizan: U5EtzrYICQuCHoemgdCBdpeqBXcsr01x9NoIytykos3IFggmEVQ/FGRYFalvGHXX [21:44]
Artizan: KUiuHP5WGnMPR7BbiYyM+Rb1iD0sf4Tu0V/QccFrgNNpvClqlTYyICB31ivDpBxI [21:44]
lobbesbot: Artizan: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel. [21:44]
Artizan: MmpVlXD2HSVZQfKeFKdRF+Nu3Jtk7BwjhQd0fcpAGQwyYcBMW1IiAb0uEl+yoR5j [21:44]
Artizan: gMul6xoP5JS6dwrrNTaswxJ+tMv4dNhRn/Nj8gk+FHy11xZAravY/isANTFn3/Pl [21:44]
Artizan: kHfQL9Vg0swnb7/MPjJLTMKvrdvW6c8WiBq/ABEBAAG0Gkthdm9uIDxrX2Jhc3Rp [21:44]
Artizan: YW4xQGFvbC5jb20+iQE5BBMBCAAjBQJW25awAhsDBwsJCAcDAgEGFQgCCQoLBBYC [21:44]
Artizan: AwECHgECF4AACgkQ7gv1k7pVO101QAf/b3KYeRnWR9z/0RiEyHSzNU0M0cNyGZoK [21:44]
Artizan: hAnP1CkvcP6VqlffziourhQZRWhQWbAF9nkQBc+P442IBgC/cHgVZL+CXJsfKqk9 [21:44]
Artizan: TllX8q5iiVxZsDC9y8DW2ryp2wDQ2fpum1X67xENSbLT0TNxMbcQzaxRuKnL48k3 [21:44]
Artizan: 1eLsSurQ/tBh9bdW0K5mJW4DOPi4tGh55NdEp9whdpaeDJiK0T7h9GAl0F/IaCHA [21:44]
mircea_popescu: lol [21:44]
Artizan: +C3Tmj+8FuGdQdN3Cl3NjYp06nA/Xp6PQO5v0dmNJY3y9/7zCHwjNHgRdW7oW0UL [21:44]
Artizan: GH3e3cWyuMeASrYxxtQN270E+9kUj8rIWNN50O5dT5l+ZcgxT1CzM7kBDQRW25aw [21:44]
Artizan: AQgAprJMZo6wJFjdBMuHN2BcwlK5heweKsEGG1DlM9MNKhJOZZZbZRE5EyO3BxiF [21:44]
Artizan: j/LjFVjENnVXiPNKIYiN2Nvhrntd0SJt3FUy1W2epJevNIGj6CW/3p0IH1dA7P2j [21:44]
Artizan: VfYkJQpUb7ybzZ5Kffl8xkB9PiHYTEEQdMZV+ZhdHFHDBKtPNOgcWRgIgXSSDbQR [21:44]
Artizan: X3rt8jyOxbtNBkSUN2oxc+uR+Pil2Ku7eJH/+kXq33n7eD5nv8VD3HzNnfLMUVqv [21:44]
Artizan: Tsm5VYlidvEFhk6IRbctB7OeRqaLwxmqhfv3GYY0YDdE6LafCxggJZzomijy3kZA [21:44]
Artizan: K5cw0lExknS+1oL/IT2ody/AbwARAQABiQEfBBgBCAAJBQJW25awAhsMAAoJEO4L [21:44]
Artizan: 9ZO6VTtdFcsH/3PewS0evlXU4soL13UpovUz1L3kOZX7qJB1tzUvS300SO8wTwMj [21:44]
Artizan: RD8twADerQHzduTn2XL5BnO00ABhZjTruyVDMH5Z5AnVz5qd4oW5cYOSxn1Ngz5K [21:44]
Artizan: Q/i8UP9Yk7U9L4WYrNnxcS1o+rF1RvftdUe62VADoRpaxRjhV89TdRNIwH36ykZp [21:44]
Artizan: KXj2WKVXWZ1NrGJWbn0Muj4w8elKrusHshRyuPP+sWgFRWcNDv/cxLKQGq2KtkuA [21:44]
Artizan: vIzuAzB9IGOHQzcFlqPnM5kEaOEL8lLn4qlrkA+gLOc4r3UcrGP58M15xqegl0G8 [21:44]
Artizan: 6wT4SpWOVdVsvhXLBkqtyrf0zeXeqWsXBx8= [21:45]
Artizan: =EwDb [21:45]
Artizan: -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- [21:45]
Artizan: > [21:45]
Artizan: oops [21:45]
Artizan: xD [21:45]
Artizan: Sorry [21:45]
Artizan: .-. How do I operate this contraption xD [21:45]
mircea_popescu: pm assbot the keyid not the whole key [21:45]
Artizan: kk [21:46]
danielpbarron: hahahahaha [21:48]
Artizan: pm on this channel? [21:50]
mircea_popescu: pm is pm. /query assbot [21:50]
Artizan: ah [21:51]
Artizan: there, i pasted it twice [21:53]
Artizan: Anything else? [21:53]
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> !gettrust artizan [21:53]
mircea_popescu: <assbot> artizan is not registered in WoT. [21:53]
mircea_popescu: didn't work. what did it say ? [21:53]
Artizan: Nothing. [21:53]
mircea_popescu: then you did it wrong. [21:53]
Artizan: Right. [21:53]
Artizan: Registration Successful [21:55]
Artizan: :3 [21:55]
mircea_popescu: nicely done. [21:55]
Artizan: Any other steps? [21:56]
mircea_popescu: nope, hang on [21:57]
DicePower: hey hey :) [21:58]
mircea_popescu: how goes ? [21:58]
DicePower: Pretty good, how are you? [21:58]
mircea_popescu: nb. [22:00]
DicePower: Anyone here familiar with Eclipse? [22:01]
DicePower: The Eclipse and C++-general channels aren't the most talkative bunch ;) [22:02]
DicePower: Basically, I'm trying to open up the Eulora code... [22:03]
mircea_popescu: Artizan http://dpaste.com/0GSKA6H.txt [22:03]
mircea_popescu: i've never used it myself. [22:03]
DicePower: I was wondering, 1) Should I use Import -> General -> Existing Projects into Workspace, Import -> General -> File System, Import -> C/C++ -> Existing code as Autotools project, or Import -> C/C++ -> Existing Code as Makefile Project? [22:04]
DicePower: I know Eulora uses Jamfiles, so I assume that excludes Autotools and Makefiles? [22:04]
mircea_popescu: 2nd prolly [22:04]
Artizan: What's with the link? @mir [22:05]
mircea_popescu: you decrypt the contents \it and log in. [22:05]
DicePower: And 2) Can I set my workspace to the project's root directory instead of, or in addition to, importing, to help link Eclipse to the project, or do I need to create a workspace specifically for Eclipse? [22:07]
mircea_popescu: no idea. try it ? [22:08]
DicePower: I think part of the issue is I only partially understand what a workspace is, but don't really understand what the goal is in terms of mapping the workspace to the project. [22:08]
DicePower: Might also clear up whether I need to use "Existing project into workspace" or "File system" [22:08]
danielpbarron: workspace is one of those easier to understand abstractions you love so much [22:10]
DicePower: I mean, I get the idea of the workspace, but not sure what a sane goal is for opening downloaded code, in relation to workspaces. [22:12]
mircea_popescu: i think this guy entertains himself endlessly by himself. [22:12]
DicePower: XD [22:12]
mircea_popescu: didja manage Artizan ? [22:13]
Artizan: Yup loading now [22:13]
mircea_popescu: cool beans [22:13]
mircea_popescu: were you looking for a noobslave danielpbarron ? [22:14]
DicePower: I mean, if you've never done this sort of thing before, and Google is ambiguous, it's kinda foreign :P [22:14]
danielpbarron: i wasn't, but if he needs something to do i'm sure i can arrange something [22:17]
mircea_popescu: Artizan im just about to go to the bdsm club, but if you manage to find me up on the hill in the next ~5 minutes ima give you some goodies [22:18]
mircea_popescu: if not, tomorrow or w/e [22:18]
danielpbarron: goodies not needed to be a noobslave anyway [22:18]
Artizan: XD Ok. [22:18]
mircea_popescu: notreally, he can just explore and so on [22:18]
danielpbarron: my advice to you is, take the goodies and put them in your storage [22:19]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron oh, im not giving out skill items no mo. [22:19]
danielpbarron: oh really? [22:19]
mircea_popescu: really. [22:19]
mircea_popescu: no longer needed - can now do w/o [22:19]
danielpbarron: i know you gave Gax some tubers for some reason, before he deleted himself [22:19]
mircea_popescu: as was the original design. [22:19]
danielpbarron: cool [22:19]
mircea_popescu: well that was pre-wed update. [22:19]
danielpbarron: yes it was in addition to skill books [22:20]
mircea_popescu: oh oh. yeah i still give noobs random things [22:20]
mircea_popescu: mostly cft tho, i guess. [22:21]
danielpbarron: i thought tubers was a funny gift [22:21]
mircea_popescu: hehe me 2 [22:21]
mircea_popescu: aite, im off. catch y'all alter. [22:22]
Artizan: See ya. [22:22]
danielpbarron: DicePower> I mean, if you've never done this sort of thing before << I've done it before and I don't know how to explain it [22:22]
DicePower: I guess I'll just fool around with stuff and see how badly I can mess it up. [22:23]
DicePower: Will only take a couple hours to re download the code again if needed. [22:24]
Artizan: .-. I died so quickly. [22:24]
danielpbarron: Artizan, what's your character's first name? [22:24]
Artizan: Don [22:24]
danielpbarron: what happens when you type /pilot ? [22:25]
Artizan: Mmmm. So What do I do now? [22:28]
danielpbarron: type /pilot 175 0 155 [22:28]
danielpbarron: and tell me what happens [22:28]
Artizan: Teleported me to a place. [22:29]
Artizan: Rocky area. [22:29]
danielpbarron: what? [22:29]
danielpbarron: are you sure it didn't just turn you around? [22:30]
danielpbarron: but anyway, it did do something [22:30]
danielpbarron: so you have the bot [22:30]
Artizan: :P Right xD [22:30]
danielpbarron: i can give you some tools and threads and have you go collect stuff for me [22:30]
Artizan: Its the only thing I could do, but am I laggy. xD [22:31]
danielpbarron: i think i would like rotten fruit the most of the things you can get easily [22:32]
Artizan: So where are you anyways? [22:32]
danielpbarron: i'm straight ahead of you after typing that pilot command :) [22:32]
danielpbarron: press 'r' to have your character keep walking until you interrupt [22:33]
Artizan: And you're on a hill. [22:33]
Artizan: :P Cuz I'm walking to one. [22:33]
danielpbarron: yes, next to a weird boxy looking gal [22:34]
Artizan: I'm at a place surrounded by tables xD That's where? [22:35]
danielpbarron: yes [22:36]
danielpbarron: i guess i should make you a craft table too [22:37]
danielpbarron: those come in handy [22:37]
Artizan: So eh is my walk laggy [22:37]
Artizan: Gtg [22:38]
danielpbarron: .. [22:38]
DicePower: Hmmm, there are two Jamfiles in the project. [22:50]
DicePower: There's /dev/EuloraV0.1.1/Jamfile and /dev/EuloraV0.1.1/src/Jamfile [22:51]
DicePower: So what is the game's root folder? Is it /dev/EuloraV0.1.1 or is it /dev/EuloraV0.1.1/src [22:52]
DicePower: ? [22:52]
Birdman: Im going to have to shred soon [23:51]
Birdman: using tools eats up bits [23:51]

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