| diana_coman: | good morning | [04:27] |
| jurov: | mornings! | [04:29] |
| diana_coman: | how is it going jurov? | [04:56] |
| jurov: | not slept well..er...at all | [04:56] |
| diana_coman: | I'm getting now the latest code from github and will try to compile it to get the logging thing | [04:56] |
| diana_coman: | made a cool tool then? | [04:57] |
| jurov: | can't make anything cool | [04:57] |
| diana_coman: | then a hot tool :D | [04:57] |
| jurov: | haha | [04:58] |
| jurov: | when compiled, add this to /home/ossa/.Eulora/planeshift.cfg : | [04:59] |
| jurov: | PlaneShift.Log.User = true | [04:59] |
| diana_coman: | hooray, got it | [05:53] |
| diana_coman: | it took ages to sync the repo and all | [05:53] |
| diana_coman: | haven't used it recently :p | [05:53] |
| diana_coman: | everything went smoothly, I'm in with the updated client | [05:54] |
| diana_coman: | btw, have you found any shiny rock claims anywhere? | [05:54] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, where does it write the logs? | [05:57] |
| jurov: | to the console | [08:08] |
| jurov: | but on windows, i don't know, maybe somewhere in app data | [08:09] |
| jurov: | and yes, i did find shiny rocks | [08:09] |
| jurov: | iirc northwest of fountain | [08:11] |
| diana_coman: | I'm on linux | [08:11] |
| diana_coman: | hmm, I did not see anything at the console | [08:11] |
| diana_coman: | it still says just the usual stuff | [08:12] |
| jurov: | you run it from xterm and it writes nothing out? | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | I run it ./euclient from a terminal | [08:12] |
| jurov: | and you have to activate the skills window or cause the skills to update | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | ah, no, wait, sorry | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | I thought you meant console in the game | [08:12] |
| diana_coman: | it does show them, I was not looking where I should have | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | and they are a bit burried among all the messages | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | cool, I'll keep an eye on that | [08:13] |
| diana_coman: | and thanks for the shiny rocks tip, I'll go and get some | [08:13] |
| jurov: | unlike ingame console, you can grep for it | [08:14] |
| jurov: | same thing merchant/storage | [08:14] |
| diana_coman: | ha ha, my bird nests are not purified, lol | [08:15] |
| diana_coman: | bah, rickety reeds again | [08:18] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, did you get my last messages in game? | [13:28] |
| jurov: | chetty: we discovered that foxy needs only 160 tiny claims to level up in Building and me over 800, how is that? | [13:33] |
| diana_coman: | jurov, I think it is because of the level | [13:33] |
| jurov: | but here practCost increases by level, not decreases | [13:34] |
| diana_coman: | maybe not always, remember what mp said yesterday? | [13:34] |
| jurov: | i was thinking he was talking about training | [13:35] |
| diana_coman: | well, let's see what chetty says | [13:35] |
| diana_coman: | yes jurov, now my practCost at building is 2335 | [13:39] |
| diana_coman: | I'm curios now whether it goes down after I train (this is fresh level, pre-training) | [13:39] |
| diana_coman: | but I'll check that out when I get back | [13:39] |
| jurov: | btw, shiny rocks = +231 tinkering practice, coarse cordage +2808 | [13:41] |
| jurov: | gotta spun moaarrr | [13:42] |
| diana_coman: | wow | [13:48] |
| diana_coman: | what level are you in tinkering? | [13:48] |
| jurov: | 25 | [13:50] |
| jurov: | and practCost 11954 | [13:50] |
| chetty: | well withut giving away too much you guys are on to something :) | [13:59] |
| chetty: | I'll probably have an update sometime tomorrow, nothing major some minor tweaks in a few values | [14:03] |
| jurov: | that was quite an answer | [14:05] |
| chetty: | update is not related tot he question | [14:11] |
| jurov: | yes :) i was refering to "withut giving away too much you guys are on to something" | [14:22] |
| jurov: | wow disgusting goop gets 860 practice, seems most useful stuff to level up | [14:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov : practice value of any activity is strictly related to the coins you spend. | [14:44] |
| jurov: | and if i mined everything except the moss? | [14:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | what difference does that make ? | [14:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, ima be in game i na little bit once done with morning catchup, pass you your toolkit. sorry it took a while. | [14:46] |
| jurov: | thx. since i can't buy exactly same quality stuff as i mine it's hard to compare | [14:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | well yes. kinda the point for it to be hard to compare. but nevertheless, it's a fact : the experience value of any activity linearly correlates to the expense involved. | [14:47] |
| jurov: | ok, then why it's different for diff players? | [14:49] |
| chetty: | lmao | [14:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | and more generally, as a meta point : the way i intend for the economy/meta-game to work is, that i make some basic statements that are absolutely correct (and which players can, of course, attempt to prove wrong), which are sufficient to make all the necessary deductions as to the game's fairness, and put people in a correct general posture. but this will not be equivalent to a complete description | [14:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | so in a sense, eulora will be a by-hand, ad hoc sort of an asymmetric key affair. | [14:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | im publishing just the product of the integers as it were. | [14:50] |
| jurov: | examined some more recipes... damn everything depends on the bandar toolkit | [15:41] |
| mod6: | gotta wait for the blessing | [15:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov actually no. there's an even larger one :D | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | also, i dunno what you noobs been on about, but i made a 50k qual bandar toolkit, so... go train. | [15:47] |
| jurov: | how? it says i can't train more | [15:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | who does ? | [15:48] |
| jurov: | heina | [15:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | you get experience, she trains you, you get experience, she trains you... | [15:48] |
| jurov: | ofc. after a week of mining i got enough materials to make stuff to up about one tinkering level | [15:51] |
| jurov: | thus, without spending 8153$ on the materials, maybe in a year i'll be able to make decent toolkit | [15:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, the good news is that there will prolly be someone to make and sell better mining tools before the year is out | [15:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | allowing you to work larger claims | [15:53] |
| jurov: | but i don't see how they can be profitable. if they won't mine the materials themselves, just buy and make stuff, they will have to ask outrageous prices | [15:57] |
| mod6: | ok. we need an in game /dev/null. | [15:58] |
| mod6: | all of these sacks everywhere are like, choaking the beauty of the landscape :] | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov depends really. there's plenty about the merchant you;'ve not yet figured out. | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | mod6 there's a sweeper, and it was increased twice. originally set for a weekly run. | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | LOL. | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | iirc now it runs hourly | [15:59] |
| mod6: | ahh, ok. yeah, guess I did read that before. | [15:59] |
| jurov: | looks like the sweeper can't reach the keys i suspended in the air 2days ago | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [16:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima have to see what chetty says re that. | [16:02] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu that 50k toolkit you made - did you make it recently? | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeh | [16:19] |
| diana_coman: | a few days ago the quality of staff made was increasing much much faster per level than it is now | [16:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe you were lower level ? | [16:19] |
| diana_coman: | no, it dropped all of a sudden | [16:19] |
| diana_coman: | it was clearly either some change to the algo/formulae or to the context basically | [16:20] |
| diana_coman: | something like I log in now and make stuff at 160 quality and then I log in tomorrow and all of a sudden the same stuff I make is at 74 quality | [16:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | did it drop you mean since the new loot system ? | [16:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, since last sun ? | [16:20] |
| diana_coman: | hmm, not sure when exactly, it might be exactly with the loot system | [16:21] |
| diana_coman: | even now although I ranked up about 10 level min, I still don't get to make stuff at least as good as I used to make before that drop, lol | [16:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | the other thing is, since atm there are only a few players, the level gaps between them hit. | [16:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | as the playerbase increases this will smooth out | [16:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | but yes it shouldn't be inconceivable you go to bed and wake up in a new world. | [16:26] |
| diana_coman: | but there were few before that too, weren't there? | [16:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. but it jumps when it jumps. | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | I mean, as far as I can tell, the only main change otherwise would be that your character ranked up much much higher or that the change with the looting system came with some side effects | [16:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | "smoking killed you" "but i smoked before it killed me too, and it didn't" | [16:27] |
| jurov: | you raised 10 levels in tinkering, too? | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | yes | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | but I'm basically worse for quality than I was before doing that :))) | [16:27] |
| diana_coman: | well, still better than I would have been, granted | [16:28] |
| jurov: | but, how? 10 levels? | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | 1 by 1? | [16:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | train, practice, train, practice | [16:28] |
| jurov: | you're 24/7 in? | [16:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | well comebody is, judging by the server times lol | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | ahahah, no, but I spent a lot of time recently, true | [16:28] |
| diana_coman: | (and I keep skipping words for some reason, sorry) | [16:29] |
| diana_coman: | the thing is that even 24/7 from now to Sunday and I am not sure I will be able to craft a tool essentially | [16:29] |
| diana_coman: | unless I start throwing some BTC at it and just make toolkits or something else huge until I get there | [16:30] |
| jurov: | have you compared your tinkering stats with mine? if you're able to learn 6x fater there, too.. then i'd better quit it and start a new character or i dunno | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | wow that bad ?! | [16:30] |
| diana_coman: | yep | [16:30] |
| diana_coman: | that bad | [16:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman but ... the toolkit is a tool ? | [16:30] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu sorry, I meant the chair | [16:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | the chair ? | [16:31] |
| diana_coman: | chair for the head | [16:31] |
| diana_coman: | to make the toolkit I would need that flask thing | [16:32] |
| mod6: | oh yeah, that's my favorite hat. wear it all the time... it's also my only hat... | [16:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | the chair is not a tool. | [16:32] |
| diana_coman: | which I can't make because it says that I don't have enough quality tools | [16:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | so what's the problem with the flask thing ? | [16:32] |
| diana_coman: | yes, the chair is not a tool | [16:32] |
| mod6: | i don't remember needing the leaky-tree-bark flask to make the bandar tool kit. | [16:32] |
| diana_coman: | for one thing the flask requires bark shavings | [16:32] |
| diana_coman: | I did not see them for sale | [16:33] |
| mod6: | i do need the leaky flask to make the samovar tho | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | making them requires mcguyver | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh which mcguyver | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | the flask is needed not directly for the bandar toolkit | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | mod6, did you make the toolkit? | [16:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | ok, ima be in game later and 1) give jurov his bundle (how the heck did you get it then ?!) and b) sell merchant some shavings | [16:33] |
| mod6: | diana_coman: yeah | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | I bought the bandar toolkit | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | wow | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | how did you do it, mod6? | [16:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. | [16:34] |
| diana_coman: | did you get to buy everything you needed? | [16:34] |
| jurov: | yes i did, too | [16:34] |
| mod6: | yeah, i bought the plans, for stuff, bought some raw materials. | [16:34] |
| mod6: | built the hat | [16:34] |
| diana_coman: | what quality is your hat? | [16:34] |
| mod6: | then built the stuff that i needed to build the toolkit. | [16:34] |
| mod6: | umm.. lemme check. | [16:34] |
| jurov: | mine is 153 | [16:35] |
| mod6: | 103 | [16:35] |
| diana_coman: | there, very interesting | [16:35] |
| diana_coman: | essentially I have the highest level in tinkering and I make the lowest quality chair for the head :)))) | [16:35] |
| diana_coman: | lol | [16:35] |
| diana_coman: | mine is 74 | [16:35] |
| diana_coman: | mod6 did you buy a bundle directly for the bandar toolkit? | [16:36] |
| mod6: | i need to make the samovar and, to make that you need the rock shards, which iirc, you need the oil, and to make the oil you need the leaky tree bark flask. which.. i can't build becasue my bandar toolbox was too low qual. | [16:36] |
| diana_coman: | or each and every ingredient? | [16:36] |
| mod6: | i bundled up all the stuff iirc. | [16:36] |
| diana_coman: | I guess that would actually be the only option now | [16:36] |
| mod6: | yeah, i just bought the raw materials, thought i'd get some exp while making the bundles, etc. | [16:36] |
| diana_coman: | to just buy everything ready made and then just make out of them the toolkit | [16:37] |
| diana_coman: | yeah, that is surely doable | [16:38] |
| mod6: | yeah, i made my own crafting table too. which is awesome. just springs up out of the ground when you need it. | [16:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | :D | [16:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | goes in, this is sounding like too much fun | [16:38] |
| diana_coman: | it just seemed so out of money really, since you pay more than 10 times the price of the damn thing | [16:39] |
| mod6: | im collecting rocks atm :] | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | that's why I bought the toolkit in the first place | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | rather than making it | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | it just didn't make any sense as price | [16:39] |
| mod6: | come find me, i'll hook you up | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | I made my own table too :) | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | that I did | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | well, that's a tool too I suppose | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | :))) | [16:39] |
| mod6: | oh wait, i don't think i can.. ? maybe its only jurov who can tx copper to other players. | [16:39] |
| diana_coman: | so apparently I made my tool already | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | we can trade prob | [16:40] |
| jurov: | what? | [16:40] |
| mod6: | yeah, having the extra container wherever you are is handy. | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | yeessssss | [16:40] |
| mod6: | jurov: can I just give people money? | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | and making something if you need it :) | [16:40] |
| diana_coman: | where are you collecting rocks? | [16:40] |
| jurov: | yes, i don't use any special functions | [16:40] |
| mod6: | ah, ok. | [16:40] |
| mod6: | diana_coman: alright, i just need to figure out how to use the exchange interface. | [16:41] |
| diana_coman: | bah, gotta go make some money then and then throw it out the window, lol | [16:41] |
| jurov: | diana_coman: i told you. it's a bit hidden valley , tho | [16:41] |
| mod6: | i think there is a command line command too. | [16:41] |
| diana_coman: | pos command | [16:41] |
| diana_coman: | and tell me what it says | [16:41] |
| diana_coman: | ah, still shiny rocks? | [16:41] |
| mod6: | me? im by the fish fountain | [16:41] |
| diana_coman: | ok, coming | [16:41] |
| jurov: | me too :) | [16:41] |
| danielpbarron: | i have made my own bandar toolkit | [16:57] |
| danielpbarron: | and also my own headchair | [16:58] |
| danielpbarron: | and the shavings you have to make yourself | [16:58] |
| danielpbarron: | there are blueprints for that | [16:58] |
| danielpbarron: | the holdup for me is that my bandar toolkit is too low quality for me to make the rock shard or whatever | [16:58] |
| mod6: | danielpbarron, same. | [16:59] |
| mod6: | sunday is comin :] | [16:59] |
| danielpbarron: | i won't even be around come sunday; trying to figure out a way for my brother to log in for me | [16:59] |
| diana_coman: | that's the problem danielpbarron, yes | [17:04] |
| jurov: | ..and today mod6 saw the moon for first time | [17:21] |
| diana_coman: | I should add some eulora-moon poetry to the diary probably | [17:27] |
| chetty: | ;) | [17:29] |
| diana_coman: | chetty, is my website still not loading for you? | [17:30] |
| diana_coman: | if yes, is there any error? | [17:30] |
| chetty: | hmm no, its forbidden something, sec I will get it | [17:33] |
| chetty: | Not Acceptable! | [17:34] |
| chetty: | An appropriate representation of the requested resource could not be found on this server. This error was generated by Mod_Security. | [17:34] |
| diana_coman: | ah, the idiost | [17:35] |
| diana_coman: | idiots | [17:35] |
| diana_coman: | thank you | [17:35] |
| diana_coman: | I'll get them to sort it out | [17:35] |
| jurov: | i remembered there are some bulders behing greyhawk | [17:36] |
| jurov: | got to pick them and crashed the server | [17:36] |
| jurov: | why it's me so often? | [17:36] |
| chetty: | yup kesy again, wont those things ever die ;( | [17:37] |
| chetty: | back up now | [17:37] |
| jurov: | but it's really boulders | [17:39] |
| diana_coman: | keyhole boulders? | [17:40] |
| jurov: | no, regular boulders. no one picked them in a week, so i went | [17:41] |
| diana_coman: | oooo, Lapidary? | [17:42] |
| diana_coman: | is that a different method? | [17:43] |
| chetty: | its a tease ;) | [17:44] |
| jurov: | wonders if we see "Diddle X using Y" | [17:52] |
| jurov: | *if we'll see | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | what do you mean ? | [18:17] |
| chetty: | restart in 5 | [18:21] |
| mod6: | ok | [18:22] |
| mod6: | all of this hard rock minin' and pourin slag, etc. reminds me of this old woody guthrie song | [18:26] |
| chetty: | restarted | [18:27] |
| mod6: | The Ballad of One Eulorian: https://youtu.be/jijdEb6iVNg | [18:27] |
| chetty: | cool | [18:27] |
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